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The stolen equipment from the "Doomsday plane" was called outdated

The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.


According to the interlocutor of the agency, unidentified persons stole from the plane already used equipment, which was to be replaced in the future.

Today we can say that they stole the old, worn out equipment, which had to be replaced. Theft of equipment in recent years is out of the question

- cites the publication of the word source.

According to another source, the analysis of the situation continues, the aircraft operator is conducting an analysis, and an investigation is underway.

Earlier it became known that from the airfield TANTK im. Beriev of the Il-80 Doomsday plane, the attackers removed 39 blocks of various communication equipment and five more boards from five of the same dismantled blocks worth more than 1 million rubles.

The list of the abducted could include radio transmitting and radio receivers, equipment for classifying speech information and encryption devices.

According to the police, the employees of the airfield were involved in the theft, since it is impossible to commit such a crime on their own, and the robbers probably used the car to take out the devices, which in turn implies driving through the security posts.

The Kremlin has already reacted to the theft. According to the presidential representative Dmitry Peskov, this incident will be investigated without fail, conclusions will be drawn and measures taken to exclude the repetition of such situations.
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  1. Dym71
    Dym71 10 December 2020 13: 17
    +61
    The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

    So that's another matter entirely!
    Once you find the thieves, pay them to dismantle them. fellow
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 10 December 2020 13: 25
      +34
      Everything looks like ridiculous excuses. bully
      By the way, the only guard, this leaky VOKhR of the Ministry of Transport, was appointed under Medvedev in 2011.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 10 December 2020 13: 32
        +40
        So after removing the equipment, it immediately became obsolete and subject to replacement. Because of its study by hostile forces.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 10 December 2020 13: 44
          -5
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Because of its study by hostile forces.

          The publication says that the equipment was most likely stolen by the airport workers, and not by foreign spies, which is encouraging.
          Workers or service personnel know what can be disassembled and what is not even worth touching. Well, if these are all the same foreign saboteurs, or Taganrog "homeless people" or other random people, it’s already quite sad, they could sweep away the blocks that are "allowed" and which are categorically impossible. Those. secret equipment could be stolen by "homeless people" without even knowing it.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 10 December 2020 13: 47
            +23
            And it doesn't matter who stole it. If there is the smallest chance that between the theft and the finding of the box, they visited the enemies, then everything needs to be changed. Otherwise, during a nuclear war, you can suddenly discover that the country is in command of the enemy.
            1. frruc
              frruc 10 December 2020 14: 00
              +11
              My opinion is that they stole by choice, by order. For whom? Bad thoughts come into my head.
            2. YOUR
              YOUR 10 December 2020 14: 48
              +9
              Quote: BlackMokona
              And it doesn't matter who stole it.

              What is important is what was stolen, how the Soviet secret equipment is guarded. I don't know if the picture is true, the plane is viewed from all sides and no one saw it. There are not even cameras there, about which so much is written.
            3. Intruder
              Intruder 10 December 2020 22: 06
              +1
              can be suddenly discovered ...
              that it is no longer possible to command the country, everything was stolen before a violent war :))
          2. orionvitt
            orionvitt 10 December 2020 14: 36
            +2
            Do you drink and steal?
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 December 2020 21: 52
              +3
              Quote: orionvitt
              Do you drink and steal?

              You're right. A lot has changed.
              In the last century, these two actions changed places and were supplemented by a third action: first he stole, then he drank, then to prison.
              Already in our time, the third action has been abolished (starting from a certain amount of stolen goods). So they steal and then drink. But is it possible, on the basis of these changes, to say that Mikhail Evgrafovich (or some other unknown author) was mistaken?
          3. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 10 December 2020 14: 36
            +5
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            equipment was stolen most likely by airport workers

            What airport ?? !! belay Vnukovo-2 or what? repeat
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 10 December 2020 15: 57
              -1
              Aerodrome, typo however what
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 December 2020 21: 55
              -1
              Quote: LIONnvrsk
              What airport ?? !! Vnukovo-2 or what?

              From the luggage of a spy revealing to Russia, Vnukovo-2 officers stole objects that had been stolen earlier by this spy from an IL-80.
              The enemy will not pass!
          4. solzh
            solzh 10 December 2020 16: 22
            +28
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Because of its study by hostile forces.

            The publication says that the equipment was most likely stolen by the airport workers, and not by foreign spies, which is encouraging.
            Workers or service personnel know what can be disassembled and what is not even worth touching. Well, if these are all the same foreign saboteurs, or Taganrog "homeless people" or other random people, it’s already quite sad, they could sweep away the blocks that are "allowed" and which are categorically impossible. Those. secret equipment could be stolen by "homeless people" without even knowing it.

            Saltykov-Shchedrin, although he was an evil and cynical critic, did not say anything like that. The problem is that the specific source of the statement, shown in your comment by the picture, was never found.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 December 2020 23: 15
              +6
              "Saltykov-Shchedrin, although he was an evil and cynical critic" ///
              ---
              Karamzin, it seems, told his friends in Paris ... He was asked: "What's in Russia?"
              He answered briefly: "They steal."
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 11 December 2020 06: 21
                +5
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Karamzin, it seems,

                V. Zhirinovsky "Saving Russia" (1997): "When Alexander I asked Karamzin to retell in a nutshell the content of his multivolume work on the history of Russia, the scientist replied:" I can and in one word. "-" What? "-" They steal ", - said Karamzin simply. "

                Dovlatov's story "Suitcase" (1991):
                “Two hundred years ago, the historian Karamzin visited France. Russian emigrants asked him:
                - What, in a nutshell, is happening in the homeland?
                Karamzin didn’t need two words.
                - They steal, - answered Karamzin ... "

                In Mikhail Zoshchenko's Blue Book (1935): "At one time the famous writer Karamzin said:" If you want to express in one word what is happening in Russia, you should say: they are stealing. "

                Prince Pyotr Andreevich Vyazemsky, author of "Old notebooks" - "Karamzin said that if he answered in one word the question: what is happening in Russia, he would have to say: steal".

                There are many versions - the meaning is the same lol
                PS Why are they minus belay - that is the question laughing
          5. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 10 December 2020 20: 12
            +5
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            The publication says that the equipment was most likely stolen by the airport workers.

            Well, yes, we went to the guarded plane in our own way, asked the guards to let it into the plane for viewing, and then, having removed and hid more than 40 blocks and cards in their pockets, they quietly left.
            SHA-PI-TO !!!
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 10 December 2020 22: 08
              +8
              the security was just in a share, they paid in cash, calmly carried it out and drove through the checkpoint, under the cameras there was a fake inspection and a mustache, everyone was wearing kings, half of the money had already been spent in the nearest restaurant ...
            2. zenion
              zenion 18 December 2020 19: 56
              0
              It would be more correct to say that it was "Operation Y". They only pretended that there was a theft. Everything was stolen before the thieves, completely honest, and therefore worthy friends of the top of the pyramid.
          6. BecmepH
            BecmepH 11 December 2020 10: 27
            +5
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            The publication says that the equipment was most likely stolen by the airport workers, and not by foreign spies, which is encouraging.

            It is written on the fence - "Choi is alive" ...
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 10 December 2020 13: 34
        +12
        It would be better to have silenced this topic from the very beginning.
        It would not be necessary now to sculpt such clumsy excuses for the amusement of the public.
      3. Dym71
        Dym71 10 December 2020 13: 46
        -1
        Quote: Alex777
        Everything looks like ridiculous excuses.

        Someone at the top or at the enterprise needs to be "understood and forgiven" (c)
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 10 December 2020 14: 01
          -1
          I don't think it will come to that.
          Hope they get everyone there.
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 10 December 2020 14: 47
            +8
            Quote: Alex777
            I don't think it will come to that.
            Hope they get everyone there.

            And not that "rolled", alas
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 10 December 2020 14: 49
              -5
              Yet now is a slightly different time than before.
              The landings started slowly.
              1. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 10 December 2020 15: 21
                +4
                I agree)
                But, here the fault is not only the VOKHRovets, whom you cannot envy.
                More questions to those whose decree this VOKHRovets was assigned to guard such objects. What conclusions were guided by ??
                Here, they will not bear responsibility
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 10 December 2020 15: 24
                  +1
                  I already wrote that the VOKHR was appointed the only one even under Medvedev in 2011. And no one has canceled this dubious scheme (of the only guard) until now. So let's see where everything will turn and who actually organized this raid. hi
              2. lis-ik
                lis-ik 10 December 2020 16: 51
                +3
                Quote: Alex777
                Yet now is a slightly different time than before.
                The landings started slowly.

                Yeah. a retired watchman will be appointed and imprisoned, and the sands will continue to include the fool, along with the shoigu.
      4. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 10 December 2020 13: 50
        +7
        Under Stalin, this would have been sentenced to the highest measure of social protection.

        It is necessary to return the death penalty for treason.

        Traitors ... They are cowardly and afraid of death.
        1. zenion
          zenion 11 December 2020 19: 12
          0
          Do you suspect that if they were brave, they would have stolen new equipment?
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 December 2020 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        Everything looks like ridiculous excuses.

        The guys think interestingly, it means that if my "outdated" KO-44 of 1946 release is stolen from my house, it does not mean that he will not shoot.
      6. fa2998
        fa2998 10 December 2020 20: 16
        +3
        For that our governor is guarded by animals! lol In the Rostov region it is the most important object of protection hi
    2. military_cat
      military_cat 10 December 2020 13: 27
      +6
      The equipment was removed so that all those who were supposed to get to heaven for sure.
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 10 December 2020 13: 31
      +1
      With additional payment for creativity and overtime))))
    4. svp67
      svp67 10 December 2020 13: 48
      +5
      Quote: Dym71
      So that's another matter entirely!

      What is DIFFERENT? This equipment was still FUNCTIONAL as it HAD TO BE REPLACED. We have FOUR similar aircraft, plus there are similar ones on the ground, in some control points, and all this now needs to be urgently replaced, since it has already been discredited.
      Here's how to read the words we read
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 10 December 2020 13: 51
        -3
        Quote: svp67
        And what is DIFFERENT?

        Probably the fact that if they stole the obsolete, then the heads of those responsible can not be chopped off, such is the message from an informed source, right?
        1. svp67
          svp67 10 December 2020 13: 57
          +2
          Quote: Dym71
          right?

          May be. The main thing is missing that this equipment is still WORKING and for some time these complexes cannot be used for their intended purpose
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 10 December 2020 14: 04
          -1
          The maximum that the authors of this "information" can hope for is to spoil the mood of the participants in the operation to "confiscate" secret equipment.
          1. zenion
            zenion 11 December 2020 19: 16
            0
            Alex777 (Alexander). Do you want to tell us that if the thieves are very scared, then one night the equipment will return to its place? The thief is on trial. Judge, why did you return to the same store five times? You see, your honor, I stole a dress for my wife and she didn’t like it and I went around and exchanged it.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 11 December 2020 19: 20
              -1
              Do you want to tell us that if the thieves are very scared, then one night the equipment will return to its place?

              Are you laughing? Of course not.
              I said that those who took the blocks will not be upset at all from the information that they are outdated.
              My IMHO - there was a special operation.
              But I read the opinions of experts - they do not put my version in the first place.
              If the thieves are local, they will be found. If the saboteurs will not find it. Something like this. hi
    5. pytar
      pytar 10 December 2020 14: 03
      0
      Quote: Dym71
      The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

      So that's another matter entirely!
      Once you find the thieves, pay them to dismantle them. fellow


      https://news.mail.ru/incident/44494710/?frommail=10
      equipment was stolen from the plane, the very fact of its presence on board is a state secret.

      It is curious that a year before this, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko reported that the Polyot Research and Production Enterprise had begun modernizing the Il-80.

      Even if the equipment was not taken out of the country and even if the thieves are found, it will have to be upgraded. This is a secret data leak. In terms of the level of damage, this can be compared with the hijacking of the Belenko MiG-25 to Japan. Given the importance of the Il-80 in the structure of nuclear command and control, the consequences could be massive.

      Regarding what is being inflated now, supposedly there were some codes, it is unlikely. It is impossible to get to such information; only the highest command staff of the troops, the minister, have it. But to study the technology by which, for example, a huge antenna is made, through which submarines in the ocean are sent a command to use nuclear weapons - this is easy.

      the Il-80 air command post is the icing on the cake of secret technologies
    6. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 December 2020 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Dym71
      So that's another matter entirely!

      That's it ! Since the old thing that no one needs, then it is not worth looking for, neither him nor the thieves wassat

      And they stole something, for a ridiculous amount, only millions ...
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 10 December 2020 16: 33
        0
        But they could have laid a little bomb for the future.
      2. paco.soto
        paco.soto 12 December 2020 00: 26
        0
        Gde the insurgent disappeared for such a little long time.
        How are things now Novorossiysk? Was the SBU recruited a new one again?
        I ask you not to answer me without thinking, preferably for a long time, just in case.
        Regards to you.
    7. Terenin
      Terenin 10 December 2020 14: 11
      +11
      To date, they have stolen old, worn-out equipment, which had to be replaced.

      Here you go. winked All the super-duper state secrets of the top-secret plane, before which the whole of America was in awe, and which, according to some members of the forum, should be guarded by almost FSB-nai "Alpha", ended with this wording of the local precinct commissioner, from rejection material, among others stolen on his section of jars with jams, pickles and household scandals laughing
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 December 2020 14: 21
        +5
        Quote: Terenin
        Here you go. All the super-duper state secrets of the top-secret aircraft, before which the whole of America was in awe, and which, according to some members of the forum, should be guarded by almost FSB-nai "Alpha", ended with this wording of the local precinct commissioner, from refusal material, among others stolen on his section of jars with jams, pickles and household scandals

        Yes, and they hurried to initiate a criminal case, in fact. It's not worth it.
        Let the FSB look for those who wrote a bad word to the local oligarch on the fence ...
        1. zenion
          zenion 11 December 2020 19: 01
          -1
          Insurgent. There is a hint where to look for it. A policeman walks and sees that a man is looking for something under the lamp. What are you looking for? I lost my wallet with my salary. I'll help you now. Some time passes and the policeman asks - where did you lose them? So there he points into the darkness. What are you looking for here? You can't see anything there!
      2. zenion
        zenion 11 December 2020 18: 57
        0
        Terenin (Gennady). The funniest of all this is how the thieves were fooled. We tried to unscrew the equipment that no one needed. When I served, as an exhibit there was one radio station under a hood, which was built before the Great Patriotic War. And there it was written that the equipment is secret and information about it should not be disclosed. When we were still being taught to be radio operators, they once brought her in and showed her to us, so that we would understand, and it was sweet in our souls what kind of equipment they knew how to do then. And it was in working order, although it was taken out of service several years before we arrived at school. For decades, there have never been any failures of the ZAS equipment. And here the old stuff is of no use to anyone. It is good that the tires were not removed from the plane, there are no longer such old and unnecessary tires in stock. Probably forgotten, they did not guess to take with them the falling jack Gavril gave a blunder.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 11 December 2020 20: 37
          +3
          Quote: zenion
          Terenin (Gennady). The funniest of all this is how the thieves were fooled. We tried to unscrew the equipment that no one needed. When I served, as an exhibit there was one radio station under a hood, which was built before the Great Patriotic War. And there it was written that the equipment is secret and information about it should not be disclosed. When we were still being taught to be radio operators, they once brought her in and showed her to us, so that we would understand, and it was sweet in our souls what kind of equipment they knew how to do then. And it was in working order, although it was taken out of service several years before we arrived at school. For decades, there have never been any failures of the ZAS equipment. And here the old stuff is of no use to anyone. It is good that the tires were not removed from the plane, there are no longer such old and unnecessary tires in stock. Probably forgotten, they did not guess to take with them the falling jack Gavril gave a blunder.

          Everything is correct about the technical potential of the USSR.
          I will say about the rest in the words of Gleb Zheglov: "the security of the country is determined not by the number of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them."
    8. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 December 2020 14: 31
      +8
      Stupid face-saving trying to put pasta on our ears! Old or new, the equipment can carry information, the price of which is the security of the state, its airspace fool fool fool
      1. zenion
        zenion 11 December 2020 19: 08
        0
        Thrifty. These are not pasta, these are horns and therefore they constantly fall from the ears. And rice is generally impossible to hang on the ears. And it would be better if they hung the bent reinforcement, it would hold better. Goebbels always hung fittings on people's ears already bent with a universal size for any size of ears. The more honest the truth was, the longer the ends of the fittings were.
    9. lis-ik
      lis-ik 10 December 2020 16: 48
      +4
      good
      Quote: Dym71
      The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

      So that's another matter entirely!
      Once you find the thieves, pay them to dismantle them. fellow

      This is really the joke of the week! Feel free to share in the jokes of the month! good
    10. jovanni
      jovanni 11 December 2020 16: 00
      0
      Here's another thing ... Plagued by vague doubts ... It's a shame that the equipment was pushed back from the, in theory, a classified aircraft. But! If it is so easy to do, then perhaps it is not difficult to install the latest equipment instead of "outdated" equipment? Well, not ours naturally ... The plane is big! Go find some cunning device ...
    11. zenion
      zenion 11 December 2020 18: 48
      0
      Dym71 (Andrey). Of course the equipment is outdated. New equipment would not have gone into the wrong hands.
  2. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 December 2020 13: 18
    +11
    "It's not a shame, it's a performance" :-)
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 10 December 2020 13: 20
      +7
      Well ... they no longer know how to get out fool
      1. Aag
        Aag 10 December 2020 14: 48
        0
        Quote: Popuas
        Well ... they no longer know how to get out fool

        Yes, in my opinion, they don't really try. Either on a drum, or - the "plan" is ...
        Now something else touches me, - initially they talked about 19 blocks, then about 30, now about 39 ...
        What? - "... suede jackets, three ..." - Bunsha ...
    2. frruc
      frruc 10 December 2020 13: 27
      +8
      The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

      And what does it change !!! Shame.
  3. mark1
    mark1 10 December 2020 13: 19
    +24
    Maintenance is planned, not upgrades. But the fact that the equipment is outdated immediately after theft is true.
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    1. Kart
      Kart 10 December 2020 14: 28
      -8
      How will he calm down. They have everything in Popuin stolen and sold long ago.
      Probably jealous.
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 10 December 2020 14: 56
      +2
      I am calm... fool
  5. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 10 December 2020 13: 28
    +6
    The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

    Hee hee hee ... ha ha ha ... laughing lol

    It's like saying that windows-95 was outdated, and therefore a hacker who got the source code at his disposal would never really understand windows-98 ... bully well, or there, if you have windows 8.1 sources, then in windows 10 you have nothing to do wassat laughing lol
    1. Kart
      Kart 10 December 2020 14: 30
      -4
      I won't even ask if you have any idea of ​​such a technique.
      Everything is obvious.
  6. evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 December 2020 13: 30
    -4
    Less than a year later, the authorities joined the jamming of the epicfail wave. Why was there a leak in the media? Was it the one who stole Vasya chtoli in the media wrote about his successes? (He certainly does not need publicity). And that just on arrival, at least where such planes were not guarded? We decided to save money (on 4 sides, saving a fence and four fighters and a bobby, apparently terribly expensive). Well, now, of course, they will say that there were Soviet galoshes. Heads will definitely fly with large shoulder straps.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 10 December 2020 13: 35
      -4
      Quote: evgen1221
      Less than a year later, the authorities have connected to the jamming of the wave from the epicfail

      In 2018, the military stole radio components from Admiral Kuznetsov for one and a half million.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 10 December 2020 16: 59
        -1
        The elephant was compared with 1000 people constantly across the state on a ship and an airplane. Disappointment!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 10 December 2020 17: 12
          -2
          Quote: evgen1221
          They compared an elephant to 1000 people

          The sergeant stole 20 million rubles worth of precious metal from a Russian military unit.

          In Kamchatka, the 35th garrison military court sentenced a sergeant of a local military unit to five years in a general regime colony for stealing electronic boards containing precious metals.

          The soldier, occupying the position of the head of the patrol for the protection of one of the military units, had access to the keys to the semi-trailers, from where he stole the cells of the electronic boards. In total, they stole 108 cells with a total value of over 20 million rubles.
  7. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 December 2020 13: 31
    +10
    outdated say ??? - Yes! now obsolete ....
  8. dgonni
    dgonni 10 December 2020 13: 32
    +8
    Didn't they have to declare that they stole the newest?
    The point is not old or new. For a specialist, the main thing is to understand the principles and methods of encryption. The rest is secondary. At one time, Bilenko, by hijacking the 25th flare, forced the union to invest colossal funds to completely rebuild the identification system of his stranger.
    In cases with the system of encryption of communications of top officials, the amounts will also be rather big if they fall into the wrong hands!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 December 2020 13: 42
      +3
      The costs will be in any case. Even if tomorrow drunks are found who sold it for scrap, and the blocks themselves are in a recycling warehouse. This does not guarantee in any way that the CIA is not trying to cover up the tracks that the secrets have been stolen. To take full advantage of them in the X hour.
      When, for example, after a sudden nuclear strike by short- and medium-range missiles, the United States will be able to silence the Yom Kippur aircraft and begin to issue orders on its behalf for massive retaliation against the PRC, and not the United States.
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 10 December 2020 13: 44
      -1
      Quote: dgonni
      Didn't they have to declare that they stole the newest?
      The point is not old or new. For a specialist, the main thing is to understand the principles and methods of encryption. The rest is secondary. At one time, Bilenko, by hijacking the 25th flare, forced the union to invest colossal funds to completely rebuild the identification system of his stranger.
      In cases with the encryption system for communication of top officials the amount will also be rather big if it falls into the wrong hands!


      TAKE ABOVE !!! good

      From the moment of theft EVERYTHING !!! the control system of the RF Armed Forces is compromised !!! If you don't switch to reserve channels, then anyone .... (HERE ABOUT TERRORISTS) can give a command to launch "vigorous loaves" in the United States, for example ... so I think so ... we are here on the forum balaboly ... and the old / new US presidents are on their ears, trying to get through to Putin, is everything okay with us ... and whether gifts of 100 megatons will arrive from us for an inguration like wassat
    3. vvvjak
      vvvjak 10 December 2020 13: 45
      +7
      Quote: dgonni
      For a specialist, the main thing is to understand the principles and methods of encryption.

      In the days of the USSR, even for a small piece of a punch card ZAS, they were put in prison.
      1. frruc
        frruc 10 December 2020 13: 56
        0
        There was a time when we scattered the entire trash can with a pitchfork to find a telegram with a "secret" stamp, which accidentally ended up there by inattention.
        1. Dimide
          Dimide 10 December 2020 16: 30
          +2
          Even stationary stoves were built separately and a commission for the destruction of documents with a stamp was created
    4. t-12
      t-12 10 December 2020 22: 01
      -1
      Belenko hijacked the latest aircraft, just put into service. And here is a museum piece. Something like this:

      1. dgonni
        dgonni 10 December 2020 22: 45
        +1
        Uh-huh, and under a new flashlight, the newest system of obscurating your stranger was washed down by a specialist?
        No, the Migar had a standard system.
        And on what elementary basis it is based is a secondary question. The main thing is to know the logic and principles of construction.
        P.S. if this aircraft was until recently in line or in reserve. This means that all his equipment was fully compatible in functionality with modern samples.
        Therefore, the love is capital. And every day the search works to completely replace the entire communication and encryption system of top officials and the general staff. Well, further down the chain.
        And it doesn't matter on lamps or on trazyuk where there is even more gold.
        1. t-12
          t-12 10 December 2020 22: 55
          -1
          I don't know how the "friend or foe" system works in reality. But if I were a designer, but I would make a one-time random code in each plane, changing once a day. Plus a one-time code to encrypt radio communications. So that, in the event of the loss of the aircraft, there are no threats to identification and communication.
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 10 December 2020 23: 19
            0
            And you don't need to invent anything. Everything has already been invented before us and works great.
            In an airplane there is a request / response block based on the signals of which, and the belonging of the airplane is determined. And this system is located not only on aircraft but also on air defense systems! And it has two modes. Well, at least it was so during the union, and I doubt that now something has changed. One peaceful plane with which the boards fly daily in the realities of a peaceful sky. And the second is fighting. This is when, if tomorrow the whole country is at war as one. And the mode is switched by a tumbler. Which is locked with a sealed wire and which is strictly forbidden to turn on in peacetime.
            It is precisely the combat codes in this system that are super secret.
            Although a familiar techie who served in the 80s in the Western World War II on 23 flashlights, he said that not everything was gut then.
            Some kind of technician at MLD, when she was on prophylaxis in the VET, still ripped off the counter and clicked the toggle switch. To my surprise, I did not receive any changes or responses. After that, the engineer was summoned, then the commander and special officer. After the autopsy, it turned out that there was no wiring from the combat mode switch to the defendant. We checked all the MLDs. The situation is similar. The internal scandal was huge, but deep. The wires were tightened.
            The point is that in cases of turmoil, its own air defense would knock down its planes. Since they would give the defendant a peaceful signal.
            Such things
            1. t-12
              t-12 11 December 2020 17: 46
              0
              What's the point of a toggle switch? Why do we need "peaceful" and "war" times? And how should a pilot in the sky understand that a war has begun? Moreover, the war can start in a matter of minutes.
              1. dgonni
                dgonni 11 December 2020 18: 30
                -1
                It is fashionable to intercept and decipher peaceful codes used daily by means of electronic intelligence. This takes time. The combat one is unknown to anyone and cannot be broken so quickly.
                And why does the pilot have a connection? The command is given and voila
                1. t-12
                  t-12 11 December 2020 19: 30
                  0
                  and decrypt by means of electronic intelligence.
                  How? If the encryption algorithm is strong, then no one will encrypt anything without knowing the code. Here, try to encrypt:

                  U2FsdGVkX1+InE4B08y6lDo2qV8YOwHHGydsKKOesBIbJuCxIb1CJF+9eOtyROf+
  9. nnm
    nnm 10 December 2020 13: 34
    +7
    Interestingly, are yachts, dachas, houses, property of those in power also protected?
    So I imagine - "calm down, it's okay! The house for ducks stolen from Medvedev was outdated and was subject to demolition. We are glad to inform you that a new structure is being erected!"
    A week has passed, and the results from the investigation are 0! Whether they were precisely the hunters for precious metals, oh, hardly.
    1. frruc
      frruc 10 December 2020 13: 49
      -1
      I would not be surprised if the "nuclear suitcase" is snapped up next time.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2020 13: 42
    -6
    source "certainly not from the next office in the rent office opposite the toilet  laughingThe radio tape recorder and the spare wheel were also stolen. Infa 100%
    Everybody knows the sources of rentals!

    PS in the next topic revealed a world conspiracy against aspirin, and you are here with such a trifle laughing
  11. Hagen
    Hagen 10 December 2020 13: 43
    +6
    39 blocks of various communication equipment and five more boards from five of the same dismantled blocks worth more than 1 million rubles. The list of the abducted could include radio transmitting and radio receiving devices, equipment for classifying speech information and encryption devices.

    "Enigma", which the British stole from the Germans, was also not new and as scrap metal cost no more than a simple adding machine. True, they were able to read military secrets on it ... request
    According to the police, the employees of the airfield were involved in the theft

    I think, judging by what was published, the versions there should be made up by the FSB. And opposite the plane the guillotine should already be built ... For those who missed ... or deliberately leaked.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 December 2020 13: 44
    +13
    Was the Kremlin tower dismantled into bricks at night? - "So it is old, built long ago. Why raise a fuss?" smile
  13. novel66
    novel66 10 December 2020 13: 46
    +4
    it's always a mess at the airport, what the hell they find
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 10 December 2020 16: 20
      +6
      Quote: novel xnumx
      it's always a mess at the airport, what the hell they find

      It is a mess, and it is created in order not to be found.

      hi
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 December 2020 16: 53
        +4
        no, Gene, a mess is the normal state of the airfield, you don't need to create it on purpose. Hello hi
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 10 December 2020 17: 00
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          no, Gene, a mess is the normal state of the airfield, you don't need to create it on purpose. Hello hi

          Roma, I will stand up for the airfield. Not a mess, but a creative mess. drinks
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 December 2020 21: 23
            +5
            creative mess.

            well, of course, since it doesn't interfere with flights lol drinks
  14. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 10 December 2020 13: 47
    +10
    The sunken dock was also old ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 December 2020 16: 54
      +7
      and the Soviet Union at the time of the collapse ...
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 10 December 2020 18: 12
        +2
        In this way, you can "optimize" literally everything!)))
        Bottom, it can be different)
  15. askort154
    askort154 10 December 2020 13: 50
    +7
    And it’s a no brainer that the removal of 39 blocks of radio electronic equipment of the aircraft, without the participation of a specialist of this service (RESOS), no one will succeed. Moreover, the "ressosnik" has permission to service this type of aircraft. Without him, even an aircraft technician will not be able to do this "job". In addition, drag 39 blocks on yourself,
    will be able to - either 39 people, or one in 39 trips, or in a company car. A "civilian" car will not be able to get to the plane without special permission. Conclusion: - abduction, without the participation of the services of TANTK will not work. The main thing is who the customer is - a banal huckster, or a representative of other people's intelligence services.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 10 December 2020 13: 50
    +3
    Today we can say that they stole the old, worn out equipment, which had to be replaced. Theft of equipment in recent years is out of the question

    You can believe it ... do not believe it, it is fundamentally, on the topic of protecting state secrets, DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING !!! Bardak S!
    1. Aag
      Aag 10 December 2020 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Today we can say that they stole the old, worn out equipment, which had to be replaced. Theft of equipment in recent years is out of the question

      You can believe it ... do not believe it, it is fundamentally, on the topic of protecting state secrets, DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING !!! Bardak S!

      So, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation there will be a lot of things that have "served" (by faith and truth), and "to be replaced" (only with the replacement there are difficulties) ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 December 2020 16: 08
        +1
        It is clear that there is enough rubbish, only for scrap.
        BUT, this does not negate the fact that the order should be, sales in the warehouse for scrap raw materials ...
        This is certainly a dream, but this incident is out of the ordinary.
        1. Aag
          Aag 10 December 2020 20: 21
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          It is clear that there is enough rubbish, only for scrap.
          BUT, this does not negate the fact that the order should be, sales in the warehouse for scrap raw materials ...
          This is certainly a dream, but this incident is out of the ordinary.


          Of course, out of the ordinary! ... I have already written a lot on this topic in the next thread, including: "The following shocks:
          1. The very fact of what happened.
          2. The emergence of information about what happened in the media.
          3. Appeal of responsible persons to the POLICE.
          4. Appearance of attorney's comments in the media.
          For all 4 points, cases must be opened!
          With the 5th point, you can add some comments on the adjacent and this thread, -type, what a funny crap happened. am
          OPA! With a capital letter "zh". Forgive my French ... In due time, and personnel decisions followed, and from the award someone, but would have shot himself.
          And here we are, from sofas, we are catching AUG, we are launching UAVs in swarms, SSBNs are improving ...
          Not sad anymore. Alarming. "
  17. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 December 2020 13: 50
    -1
    This is from the series: the thieves who stole the equipment are already dead
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2020 13: 53
    -4
    A cover operation. We were looking for something else, but they won't tell us. laughing In the meantime, the cons "smart"
  19. Revival
    Revival 10 December 2020 13: 53
    +2
    "The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced."

    Weak! When "obser", the first thing to do is to get out to the maximum!
    For example,
    "The equipment was not stolen, but Planovo was dismantled by the belt brigade, as it had to be replaced."

    That's the way to write!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 December 2020 14: 09
      +12
      It can be even better!

      In TANTK them. G.M. Beriev conducted a unique experiment on alternative disposal of equipment. This will save tens of millions of rubles on such work, the best practices are already being studied at the UAC!
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 10 December 2020 14: 30
        -1
        Quote: donavi49

        In TANTK them. G.M. Beriev conducted a unique experiment on alternative disposal of equipment. This will save tens of millions of rubles on such work, the best practices are already being studied at the UAC!

        You can add "With the active participation of the Tananrog gopota in ..."
  20. Moskovit
    Moskovit 10 December 2020 13: 54
    +2
    Judging by the news, they did not steal, but took it for modernization. They will put on the same night, but already new!
  21. vavilon
    vavilon 10 December 2020 13: 56
    0
    Well, of course outdated)))
    and what else can be said in justification.
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 December 2020 13: 59
    -2
    "The Aircraft Operations Engineer said that the TANKT was replacing the grease on the landing gear rods. According to him, all the on-board instruments were in place at the time of the aircraft acceptance. After the completion of the work, the main entrance, cargo compartment hatch, three emergency exits were sealed. the last time they were examined on November 26, all the seals were intact, "a source familiar with the situation told REN TV. laughing lol
  23. Naz
    Naz 10 December 2020 14: 00
    +1
    Understand and forgive....
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 10 December 2020 14: 11
    +2
    Quote: BlackMokona
    And it doesn't matter who stole it. If there is the smallest chance that between the theft and the finding of the box, they visited the enemies, then everything needs to be changed. Otherwise, during a nuclear war, you can suddenly discover that the country is in command of the enemy.

    All of course is true, but ... he has been commanding her for a long time. Next year "anniversary". sad
  25. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 10 December 2020 14: 15
    -2
    The case is indisputable shameful. But, has anyone seen how the operating FSO boards are protected? I saw that the mouse will not slip there. The version about the outdated board is similar to the truth, although this does not justify such an attitude even to former secrets.
  26. Kart
    Kart 10 December 2020 14: 23
    -2
    So it was written about it from the very first day.
  27. Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 December 2020 14: 24
    -1
    "This is some kind of shame"
    (c) Shvonder
  28. Airdefense
    Airdefense 10 December 2020 14: 27
    -1
    In general, the equipment is old and unnecessary, and it was not theft, but dismantling with further disposal, citizens disperse.
  29. seacap
    seacap 10 December 2020 14: 31
    +4
    And, well, yes, and the plane itself was decommissioned, it was generally at the dump, at the dismantling, garbage in general, and not a regime plant, this is at all, but a dump (although there is even security at the dump and it seems more effective). The question arises, do we generally have at least something working, at least one structure, at least something, where is the criterion for measuring the effectiveness of something else besides the bubble and reports that are good for the ears of the bosses? It looks like there is a lot of tension with video cameras, too high technologies for that "almshouse", a bed workshop, now it is clear why there are not enough amphibians, and there is not even a talk about new developments, educational education is bearing fruit. now we won't see it for a long time, if at all the Ilyushin corporation does not suffer the fate of Yakovlev, avats overseas "partners", handsome men, and it should be done with the corrupt poor, who decided that they are "the same ..."
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  31. Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 December 2020 14: 40
    +3
    Someone just knows perfectly well that there will be no "doomsday" day ..
    for he now has lifelong immunity ..
    and therefore the plane did not give up ..))
  32. demo
    demo 10 December 2020 14: 43
    +1
    The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.
    According to the interlocutor of the agency, unidentified persons stole from the plane already used equipment, which was to be replaced in the future.



    Is this a new trend?
    All outdated equipment can be hauled without problems?
    And full name "Informed" source is weak to report?
    Balabolki and talkers, irresponsible.
    The country has turned into a gateway.
    We are waiting for the Tsar Cannon and Tsar Bell to be dragged away from the Kremlin for scrap metal.
  33. seacap
    seacap 10 December 2020 14: 45
    +3
    Quote: Dmitriy444
    does not justify such an attitude even to former secrets.

    And there are former secrets in an extremely short term, I'm embarrassed to ask? But what about, say, such a question as a technology trend and a fundamental encryption algorithm, for example. The English at one time needed only 1 sample of the most primitive Enigma.
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 10 December 2020 14: 58
    +2
    The equipment stolen from the Il-80 Doomsday plane was outdated and had to be replaced. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.

    For several days they were silent for something incomprehensible, expecting, probably "signals", then they gave "to the mountain" the most simple and primitive explanation. It turns out that before this sad event the air command post of the head of state was incapacitated? belay lol ... Even if so, in which there is doubt, this does not in any way negate the fact of theft, carelessness of guards, and other responsible officials. sad
  35. Dimide
    Dimide 10 December 2020 16: 19
    +5
    Key words: - being on the ROUTINE service!
    So the equipment was operational, the rest was attempts to save face.
  36. bolt
    bolt 10 December 2020 17: 46
    -1
    ... Today we can say that they stole the old, worn-out equipment, which had to be replaced. There is no talk of the theft of equipment in recent years ...


    Yeah ... It seems, in fact, real events developed differently. Perhaps so ...

    On the eve of the start of work, the foreman is called in, the defective statement, accompanying documents are handed over, and they slap on the shoulder. "Tomorrow morning ... An important order ... High quality and on time ... Don't let me down!"

    He returns to his place. Until the end of the shift 40 minutes. And the hard workers hang out without work ... Shouldn't I start today, otherwise tomorrow morning they will eat five-minute planning meetings for two or three hours?

    No sooner said than done. Gathers the brigade, shoves the received documents to the guards. Those graciously wave their hands - go for it. Well, guys, everything is outdated, which had to be removed according to the documents, shock and removed ...

    And the time was already 17.15. All employees have already disappeared. And the blocks are secret. And where to put them? Do not put back? The master thought and thought and decided to put everything in his closet until morning ...

    And they did. Then - 170g each "For the beginning of work", and home ...

    In the morning the guards changed, the brigade changed, and the foreman got stuck on "five minutes". At this time, the acceptance and transfer commission rises on the plane ... And there, instead of secret blocks, "footprints and numerous fingerprints."

    The collective cry of "Guard" was so powerful that within a few seconds it reached not only the walls of the Kremlin, but also the editorial offices of the media. And away we go.

    The master returns from the meetings at eleven o'clock, rejoicing that he guessed to start work in advance, and around - "Hell-Hell", "War and the Germans", and interrogations are already underway. In general, a real "Doomsday" has come at the enterprise.

    And what should he do now? The blocks in his locker have already been declared stolen everywhere. Either run to the godfather in Nezalezhnaya, or go to surrender. And the master went to repent ...

    It seems to me that a couple of days will pass, and it will be announced that the blocks have been found and returned, the guilty have been punished, and the bourgeoisie did not learn the Military Secret.

    Maybe even someone will be awarded.

    Although, of course, something really needs to be done with the organization of the security of special facilities.
  37. NF68
    NF68 10 December 2020 17: 59
    -1
    Famously. If the equipment is out of date, you can grab it.
  38. Adimius38
    Adimius38 10 December 2020 18: 06
    +4
    storytellers, the metalworkers climbed in, the equipment is outdated. Better explain how anyone could have come to this plane and screw something up.
  39. Tests
    Tests 10 December 2020 18: 06
    +3
    Dear visitors of "VO", it's been a day because of the usual theft from a Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft so many emotions ... I don't understand ...
    They stole fuel in tons, yes, they stole blocks from the ships, yes, the ships themselves handed over for metal, yes, they stole weapons and ammunition - yes. They stole money from the construction of residential buildings and spaceports - yes, they bought food and uniforms at inflated prices at times - yes! ... Our glorious submariners traded on a super secret nuclear submarine that had been modernized at Zvezdochka for many years, drugs - yes, their State Drug Control Service the Supreme State Drug Control Service "slammed" (and then "slammed"). The time of entering the patrol routes, the composition of the patrol, its weapons were handed over, both in Central Asia and in the North Caucasus - yes, with pleasure ... The GRAF officer for years collected and removed from the building of the Soviet secret operational-search information, which he sold and more some of the secrets of the KGB's work in the Lithuanian SSR are no longer secrets for many years ... The parade of graduates of the FSB Academy on "Geliki" in Moscow ... Millions and millions confiscated from generals and colonels of different power structures, in different currencies ... Even orders with The Battle Banner in the Russian Federation was removed and replaced with dummies ... Nothing new under the moon ... What is the pop, so is the arrival ...
  40. Looking for
    Looking for 10 December 2020 18: 07
    +1
    informed source or scoundrel or.
  41. iouris
    iouris 10 December 2020 19: 01
    +2
    The problem is not that. The problem is that such a state seems to have nuclear weapons and this is a command post.
  42. aries2200
    aries2200 10 December 2020 21: 47
    +2
    otmazyvayutsya from prosira FSOshniki ... ZAS equipment stolen and probably already studying in Langley .... and it will have to change the classified equipment throughout the country ..................
  43. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 11 December 2020 00: 42
    0
    The Mig25, hijacked at one time, discouraged Pentagon analysts. But the "friend or foe" module from it gave an impetus to the industry of the USSR to urgently develop and introduce floating codes, which was a serious technological leap forward
  44. barium
    barium 11 December 2020 09: 06
    0
    and from obsolete equipment, they will remove information!
  45. barium
    barium 11 December 2020 09: 29
    -1
    Interesting - for the bosses of the guilty, quilted jackets with tail numbers, sewn ????????????
  46. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 December 2020 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    So after removing the equipment, it immediately became obsolete and subject to replacement. Because of its study by hostile forces.

    That's right!
    And the head of SpetsVokhra was fired retroactively.
    It is surprising that the fire did not immediately happen there.
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 December 2020 19: 24
      -1
      The entire people of Russia are worried and worried about the rusty equipment. I wish they had dropped everything, put on masks, invited Sherlock Holmes, or Captain Pronin, and in a few hours everything would have been found in the ravine. There was such an anecdote. Agent 007 wanted to flush the evidence and went to the toilet, looked down, and from the toilet the smart, penetrating eyes of Captain Pronin were looking at him.