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Serious problems of Russian healthcare

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The catastrophe covered another important area of ​​the life of the country and society - the health care system. In the current period, medicine in Russia has simply been optimized to the point of a pen. That is, they carried out a total closure of hospitals, including infectious diseases departments. The number of beds and staff was drastically reduced. So much so that the epidemic suddenly needed field mobile hospitals.

Who destroys the guardians of life?


In essence, more or less normal healthcare has been destroyed. Like the traditional classical school (Russia is being turned into a country of fools).

The coronavirus simply made it public that it was almost complete. In fact, he brought down the remains of the medical system's stability. Any other virus, of course, could have done this. A powerful flu epidemic, for example. Or a war, when there was simply no one to treat the wounded. No matter what they say, the coronavirus only demonstrated the fait accompli of the complete defeat of domestic medicine.

And now no urgent or even extraordinary measures (with the allocation of large funds) can immediately change and correct the current situation. To destroy is not to build. It is clear that restoring a normal system (as in the USSR, for example) health care will take time, resources, personnel, a complex of training and education, the domestic medical industry, etc.

Among other things, it would be necessary to recreate the Russian pharmaceutical industry. For example, in 2018, drugs and medical equipment worth $ 11,5 billion were imported into Russia. Well, exports for the same period amounted to only $ 700 million (that is, it was 16 times less). At the same time, although many drugs are manufactured in Russia, they are still using Chinese and Indian raw materials. And here import substitution is clearly still far away.

A similar situation was previously observed in the army. Serdyukov optimized the Armed Forces in about the same way. Under the sauce that in peacetime, allegedly from an economic point of view, it is not profitable to maintain motorized rifle, tank и aviation divisions. And also the numerous (supposedly duplicating) military schools and academies turned out to be useless. Much more effective, as it turned out, was to simply reduce them or pseudo-enlargement. From universal educational centers to bases and brigades. Well, everything is just like in our education. Or as in medicine. Upscale / downsize just like a carbon copy ...

Then, when the planet suddenly smelled of fried food (and somehow it did not work out to catch up with the global elite), Moscow began to hastily try to suddenly restore what had been destroyed. However, breaking is not building for you. Things went, alas, not as quickly as we would like. The top officials felt that it turned out to be much more difficult to create than to dashingly optimize something (destroying the best or selling off tasty land plots and hospital mansions in city centers).

Re-optimization of infectious disease specialists


So, the situation with the coronavirus showed that healthcare in Russia has been destroyed. Like a system, like a well-coordinated clockwork with many screws and springs.

And what is curious. Of course, on the one hand, it would be somehow ridiculous to suspect a demarche organized from the outside against our Russian doctors, and even more so medical beds. If not for one "but". Let me remind you that for the entire long period on the eve of the ill-fated epidemic of the media, all our ears were buzzing about the fact that, they say, Western biolaboratories were imposing on Russia from all sides, and overseas scientists were conjuring there over hitherto unknown infections. Without going into conspiracy theories, let us only pay attention to the fact that only a lazy enemy will not try to help us in some way in our own depopulation from the inside. So to speak, weaken our immunity and resistance. Acting through the ambitions of our elites and making the notorious optimization of domestic health care simply fashionable and profitable.

And just here it turns out that for some reason the main thing under the ax of local and federal optimizers went exactly to our infectionistics or (as it is also called) infectology. By chance? Maybe. But, you see, it’s a very strange coincidence.

It was the fight against infectious diseases (as one of the most important strategic directions of defense medicine) that suffered from the ruinous reforms more than others. It suddenly turned out that the officials optimized the infectious area extremely zealously. Reduced bed capacity, infectious disease doctors, nursing staff and nurses. This has been done all of the last time, and especially after the May 2018 decrees on increasing average salaries in medicine. As Chernomyrdin said:

"We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."

That is, they formally wanted to improve the standard of living of doctors. But in fact, everything turned into a reduction in the medical staff. Moreover, the entire population of the country was blamed on those who remained in the profession.

Look closely at the numbers.

So, according to Rosstat, from the beginning of 2013 to the end of 2019, the number of junior medical workers was reduced up to 265 thousand people (2,6 times). And nursing staff - up to 1,314 million people (by 9,3%). Well, doctors were also cut to 704 thousand people (by 2%).

Now watch your hands. Infectious disease doctors were cut, most likely (either as unnecessary, or to order, or out of stupidity), much more actively than all others. They were demoted by as much as 10% (compared to 2011). And they brought the number of our leading fighters against viruses and other parasitic bacteria to a modest 6 specialists. To all of Mother Russia? All of us, of all ages? To all cities and towns?

Good chance. On the eve of the covid attack. Downright sabotage of some kind.

But that was not all.

Back for a century


The number of beds for infectious diseases has suddenly decreased by almost 2,4 times. In 1990, there were only 140 of them for all of us Russians. And exactly for the covid intervention, the officials reduced them by more than half. And at the time of the pandemic, only 59 thousand specialized hospital beds awaited us.

The question arises, why was it necessary to eliminate 2200 beds in Moscow alone for carriers of dangerous infections? Namely, so many of them have been eliminated in the capital, planned and intentionally, since 2011. By the way, at that time there weren't so many of them - only 4823.

Kromsali, of course, and the usual bed fund. According to the Ministry of Health, in 2013, 35 thousand sick leave beds... In 2014, another 50 thousand beds. In 2015, they slowed down a little, but not much - another 41 thousand beds were removed. Well, in 2016 they strained themselves and again eliminated 31 thousand hospital beds. Since this optimization has already started ...

That is, the reserve capacities necessary in case of infectious outbreaks, epidemics or hostilities were eliminated. At the same time, mind you, people did not get sick less. That is, as a result of these bureaucratic somersaults with beds in peacetime in the dock era, the load on specialized doctors more than doubled.

But what can we say about hospital beds. Optimizing liquidators did not waste time on trifles and mowed down entire hospitals. In 2000–2015. number of hospitals in Russia reduced twice (!) From 10,7 to 5,4 thousand. While maintaining such a rate of destruction of hospitals (about 350 per year) by 2021–2022. the number of all medical institutions in the country will reach a record level: we will have only 3 thousand hospitals in the whole of Russia. For understanding: this is the level of Russia a century ago - 1913!

Following hospitals, in 15 years the number of hospital beds has decreased by three times (on average by 27,5%, to 1,2 million). In rural areas, the reduction in hospital beds is even more noticeable - almost 40%.

The officials are not worried. After all, they know that those who have the means will be treated in paid institutions and abroad. And all the others will recover and survive as best they can, according to the residual principle.

Murderous depopulism


The scope of reforms that are killing domestic medicine and public health is impressive. From the Yeltsin era to the present day, the health care system (like the school) has been drastically optimized. And all because the normal system that existed in the USSR did not fit into the new market realities. The Covid intervention simply exposed the full extent of the devastation. The people saw what the elite had done. And he gasped.

But it will not be possible to restore medicine immediately (as it used to be, or even better) quickly. It is possible to build hangars (new temporary hospitals) and field infectious diseases departments rather promptly, but you cannot just find thousands and thousands of experienced doctors in a flash, as well as all the required trained medical personnel. You can't even write them out today from abroad: alas, there is the same problem.

But the people dream of restoring everything basic and cardinally: the system of special medical education, jobs, their own production. Specialized clinics and departments. To return medical facilities and doctors to small towns, villages and villages. But the flywheel stories launched. And high-quality medicine for the people somehow does not fit into the liberal program and the picture of the day for "optimizing all of Russia up to 3000 hospitals, period."

So it is not surprising that the current government, apart from imitation, in essence, is not going to restore anything. The normal health care system will probably never be returned to the people. On the contrary, it seems that no one at the top is even going to stop the murderous flywheel of bed liquidations.

It turns out that in the coming years there is still a significant reduction in spending on the social sector, including, by the way, and medicine. With the continuation of the transfer of the remaining crumbs from the medical system to a paid basis. That is why the authorities do not intend to propose anything, except for the policy of prohibitions, the continuation of the imitation of violent activity, mask, glove mode, informational psychosis, intimidation of citizens, which further undermines the nerves and health of people.


Infographics: "Vedomosti"


Infographics: "Vedomosti"


Infographics: "Vedomosti"

Accelerated country extinction


Where does this all lead to? In principle, the answer is already clear. To accelerate the rate of depopulation in Russia. To the extinction of Russians. A similar picture is in other countries of the world - the so-called "supermortality" is on the nose.

The global project to optimize medicine (read: depriving people of medical care) is being implemented not only in our country, but also in the developed countries of the West. There, too, the number of beds, infectious diseases wards, experienced personnel, "surplus" and "ineffective" capacities was reduced, that is, everything that did not fit into the cannibalistic market economy. Most countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America did not have a normal health care system at all.

The current situation with covid has shown that medicine optimized in the West and in Russia cannot cope, not only with a pandemic, but with such a level of optimization, even with an infectious outbreak. It is not for nothing that for covid patients it is necessary to re-profile multidisciplinary and specialized hospitals for infectious diseases clinics, including maternity hospitals, oncological centers and cardiac surgery departments. As a result, planned treatment and even surgery are canceled. There is a total lack of doctors, protective equipment, special equipment and medicines.

The existing doctors are terribly overwhelmed, their personal immunity has been undermined. Which leads to an increase in the deaths of medical personnel. Hence the staff turnover. Many are simply afraid and quit.

All other categories of patients with chronic diseases are under special blow. They simply cannot receive medical attention, since the coronavirus has switched all the remaining capacities and reserves to itself. The sad result is the supermortality of the population, and first of all, the elderly. So, research showthat among the dead from coronavirus 70-80% are elderly people, old people (60+). They usually already have serious health problems, chronic diseases. Another 18% are middle-aged citizens (45–59 years old).

Plus, erroneous or openly destructive actions of the authorities. The population of the developed part of the world community (deep Africa as a whole lived its own life) has been exhausted and exhausted for almost a year with various lockdowns and prohibitions. The authorities of various countries, with the filing of WHO, destroyed herd immunity. Destroyed the economies. The peoples have suffered the loss of millions of jobs, as well as poverty, in some places already malnutrition and hunger.

How Covid helps environmentalists


The attack on the immune system of citizens has made people more vulnerable to disease and death. Hence the more ambitious "second wave", which was provoked by mistakes during the first. For example, mask and glove mode, enhanced disinfection and the use of antibiotics, antiviral drugs for any sneeze - all this only undermined the collective immunity of the population. As a result, humanity receives supermortality and acceleration of the extinction of countries (and the white race in general).

In fact, we no longer see just mistakes at the level of international organizations (UN, WHO, IMF, WB), but a project program to eliminate the "surplus" population that does not fit into the "new world order", which is being built by liberals who are rapidly turning into fascists ...

That is why, first of all, the elderly part of the planet's population is subject to liquidation, which will not be able to accept the realities of the new "digital Buchenwald".

In the West, since the 1960s and 1970s, at the elite level, they have been talking about the need to stop the growth of the world's population and even reduce it.

Ostensibly in order to solve the problem of the impending lack of resources. And to prevent an ecological disaster.
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  1. Machito
    Machito 15 December 2020 15: 05
    +67
    That's not news. This is a statement of fact. I was especially surprised by the optimization of medical laboratories exactly a year ago. In China, a pandemic has begun, and Golikov's medical laboratories are laid off and health workers are kicked out into the street. And what was she responsible for this? How many human lives did it cost the country? And she at least henna.
    If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned. And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 12
      +40
      In essence, more or less normal healthcare has been destroyed. As well as the traditional classical school (Russia is being turned into a country of fools).
      Quote: Bearded
      In essence, more or less normal healthcare has been destroyed. As well as the traditional classical school (Russia is being turned into a country of fools).

      They are converting .. purposefully and deliberately working to reduce the population.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 15: 25
        +26
        Quote: Svarog
        Russia is being turned into a country of fools

        I'm afraid that the future tense is no longer appropriate here
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 15 December 2020 17: 13
            +20
            Quote: Bearded
            That's not news. This is a statement of fact. I was especially surprised by the optimization of medical laboratories exactly a year ago. In China, a pandemic has begun, and Golikov's medical laboratories are laid off and health workers are kicked out into the street. And what was she responsible for this? How many human lives did it cost the country? And she at least henna.
            If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned. And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.

            What honor do you mean by LIBERAL officials ?! They have no honor! They have only bucks in their eyes and the desire to shovel them into their mammon *!

            REFERENCE
            MAMONA - The word "mammon" has Aramaic origin and is translated from Hebrew as "wealth".

            The officials had honor under Stalin and were supported in them by a bullet in the back of the head as ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE - for theft, for sabotage, for treason.

            Golikova is only an economist by profession and has no medical education at all. She's just a marketing huckster, a "market man" - the liberal political foam of the 1990s.

            Who is she and where does T. Golikova come from! Biography and activities.
            [media = golikova tatiana alekseevna biography]
            1. dauria
              dauria 15 December 2020 17: 49
              +23
              They have no honor! They have only bucks in their eyes


              Only from officials? laughing
              Yesterday my wife called a doctor. Today the doctor does not come, by phone !!!! interviewed and dictated a list of medications (for about 6 days of taking). In the Maxovit pharmacy it cost 3200 rubles. "On the spot killed" the price tag of 220 r per bottle of 200 grams of isopropyl alcohol 70% with the name "Liquid for disinfecting hands." belay For a laugh, 200 grams of not the worst 3-star "Elder" cognac cost the same.
              He covered everyone in the soul, from Putin to himself. He only regretted the unfortunate doctor.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 15 December 2020 18: 00
                +22
                Quote: dauria
                Only from officials? laughing
                He covered everyone in the soul, from Putin to himself. He only regretted the unfortunate doctor.

                Respected! The fish rots from the head.
                And Golikova is in any way responsible for the medicine entrusted to her in the country in her position! And she is a financier, economist and huckster by profession! When making decisions, she does not consult with doctors, because she does not understand anything in medical practice. Its task is economy and profit.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 15 December 2020 20: 19
                  -2
                  With such "optimizers", it should be like this:
            2. Polente the Wanderer
              Polente the Wanderer 16 December 2020 19: 39
              -3
              Political opponents became the enemies of the people, those who believed that there was another path to socialism, those who considered Dzhugashvili a party ally, not a leader. "Of the 139 members and candidates for members of the party's Central Committee elected at the 70th party congress, 1937% were arrested and were shot in 1938-1966 as “enemies of the people.” Of the 1108 delegates to the same congress with a decisive and deliberative vote, more than half — XNUMX people — were convicted of counter-revolutionary actions. "
              Thieves (of any category, including optimizers) were then considered more loyal to the authorities. Brands such as the son of a thief, the family of a thief did not exist.
        2. bistrov.
          bistrov. 17 December 2020 14: 41
          +4
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Svarog
          Russia is being turned into a country of fools

          I'm afraid that the future tense is no longer appropriate here

          You, too, consider yourself a FOOL?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 December 2020 19: 06
            +1
            stupidity blurted out
            I'm sorry, but intelligence will be determined by the majority
            1. bistrov.
              bistrov. 23 December 2020 06: 56
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              intelligence will be determined by the majority

              And we don’t need “too smart”. Let us remember well what this “cleverness” led to in 1991. I don’t like it here, look for “future tense” elsewhere ...
        3. bronik
          bronik 21 December 2020 12: 04
          +1
          I was seriously ill with covid, Thanks to the Doctors came out. She was treated by an infectious disease specialist of the Soviet school of very respectable age. They found it, invited me to refuse, I was so brought up. How many people she saved could not be counted.
      2. Machito
        Machito 15 December 2020 15: 26
        +21
        Distance learning for children is a masterpiece of fooling the nation. I can imagine what kind of doctors and engineers will turn out: attachments to a mobile phone.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 15: 31
          +15
          and remote delivery of sessions? !!!
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 15 December 2020 20: 12
          -12%
          Quote: Bearded
          Distance education for children is a masterpiece of fooling the nation.

          I know many teachers whose face-to-face communication is much more fooling. This is the salvation of a distance student if you have such a teacher! There you can learn at least something. There would be a desire. Isn't it? Then face to face will not help!
          1. Machito
            Machito 15 December 2020 20: 38
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Bearded
            Distance education for children is a masterpiece of fooling the nation.

            I know many teachers whose face-to-face communication is much more fooling. This is the salvation of a distance student if you have such a teacher! There you can learn at least something. There would be a desire. Isn't it? Then face to face will not help!

            Well, where would most kids want to learn from? Moreover, with such a presence of computer games?
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 16 December 2020 07: 38
              -9
              Quote: Bearded
              Well, where would most kids want to learn from? Moreover, with such a presence of computer games?

              From parents! But since most of the parents ..., then they have kids too!
              1. Machito
                Machito 16 December 2020 12: 13
                0
                Not all people know how to teach others, especially children.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 16 December 2020 13: 19
                  -5
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Not all people know how to teach others, especially children.

                  Well, yes, everyone knows how to make children, but to think about how they are and what they will do with them the mind is not enough. Then where does the remote control? If people for the most part are dabili!
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 December 2020 15: 17
      +17
      project program to eliminate the "excess" population
      And those who died from Covid simply "didn't fit into the market"!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 38
        +17
        And those who died from Covid simply "didn't fit into the market"!
        ... They did not fit into medicine optimization ...
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 31
      +29
      If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned. And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.

      She alone, with all her "talent" is not capable of this .. there is an organized group working ..
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 20 December 2020 04: 33
        0
        An organized group is working ...
        --------,
        The group is called the Russian government. And he has been working tirelessly, for 30 years already ... laughing laughing
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 15 December 2020 16: 39
      +30
      On good terms, the boss Golikova should be judged .. I strongly doubt that she developed her vigorous activity without his ardent approval ..
      In general, what do you want, capitalism. No money - did not fit into the market, go die. The authorities do not care about this. So if we want to survive, we will have to return Soviet power. And the reaction of the adored guarantor to the pandemic catastrophe showed this very clearly ..
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 48
        -33%
        Quote: paul3390
        So if we want to survive, we will have to return Soviet power.

        Will you go to the barricades in a mask or what?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 15 December 2020 20: 07
          +13
          And with flippers. As I understand it, asking what is smart is problematic? Therefore - we carry all sorts of crap?
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 16 December 2020 07: 39
            -14%
            Quote: paul3390
            we carry all sorts of crap

            Where did the self-criticism come from? And to ask you smart after your comment - you know who to be yourself?
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 47
      +20
      Quote: Bearded
      If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned.

      Forgotten Skvortsova.

      The only thing is that they were doing this under the leadership of Putin. He is the curator of optimization.
    6. barium
      barium 15 December 2020 17: 53
      +6
      a bearded man - about honor in the Kremlin, and even more so, at the golikova, he says to no purpose!
    7. astepanov
      astepanov 15 December 2020 18: 10
      +20
      Quote: Bearded
      If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned. And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.

      Golikova is just a cog in the car, one of many. Its task is to serve the "upper echelon of the servants of the people." Is the Minister of Science and Education better? Or a chatterbox Rogozin?
      In 1975, 30 years have passed since the end of the worst war in history, which destroyed a huge number of people, destroyed the economy to dust. Over these 30 years, the USSR has become the second economy in the world, the most powerful space and military power. Now, 30 years have passed since the beginning of the Gorbachev and Yeltsin rites. Wherever you go, there is no money anywhere, except for huge yachts and mansions for parasites. And from all the channels the Solovyovs-Kiselevs and other riffraffs tell us with what leaps and bounds we are moving.
      Something I have not seen a noticeable movement in the last ten years. Sanctions, you say? The USSR existed only under them. And nothing - there was enough money for a lot: for hospitals, and for retirement, and for education ...
    8. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 December 2020 18: 43
      +5
      Quote: Bearded
      In China, a pandemic has begun, and Golikov's medical laboratories are laid off and medical workers are kicked out into the street. And what was she responsible for this?

      I don't know if this is good or bad, but under Comrade Stalin, it would have been declared sabotage, with the punishment of those responsible, according to the law on social protection.
      It may be tough, but fair. But now, when the "cove-shaped rooster" has pecked, the state has found itself in a broken trough.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 16 December 2020 07: 49
        0
        tihonmarine - Colleague, you wrote: "... the state is at a broken trough." - two no, we were left at a broken trough, and those who can be called the "state" fell to another trough and sharply increased their already not small fortunes in the "covid".
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 December 2020 08: 48
          +2
          Quote: Nazar
          "... the state is at a broken trough." - two no, we were left at a broken trough,

          The state is the people, and whoever has sucked to the trough is a cancerous tumor on the body of the state.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 16 December 2020 09: 48
            +1
            tihonmarine (Vlad) - Colleague, you wrote that the state is the people, everything is correct, it should be so ... but here it is not so. We now have separate people. and the very "cancer" in power, they are the state. This is why the attitude of such a state to the people is "second oil", hence all these "optimizations", so this is not our "state", they are alien. hi
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 December 2020 11: 39
              +1
              Quote: Nazar
              We now have separate people. and the very "cancer" in power, they are the state.

              Well, this is precisely the formula of capitalism in its highest stage (imperialism), where this cancerous tumor has taken over the entire body, and no longer the body, but it dominates the body. And if the body were healthy, it would not allow the tumor to spread.
    9. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 December 2020 19: 08
      +5
      This is a statement of fact.
      here are some more facts.

    10. Alf
      Alf 15 December 2020 19: 33
      +13
      Quote: Bearded
      And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.

      By good it is necessary to judge the One who keeps her and other ministers like her at work and who speaks - is satisfied with the work of the government.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 15 December 2020 20: 25
        +2
        shhh, "the king is naked ..." :)
      2. Machito
        Machito 15 December 2020 20: 52
        0
        And everywhere we have professionals with millions of salaries. Well at least Chubais and Rusnano were removed. Maybe now the case will move from a dead center. Here Kiriyenko was removed from Rosatom, and somehow it became quieter to live, otherwise there are 22 reactors in Moscow: it will explode - it will not seem a little.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 December 2020 21: 00
          +7
          Quote: Bearded
          Well at least Chubais and Rusnano were removed.

          Everything is already stolen, it's time to dump, `` dad '' transferred him to another unplowed field.
          1. lucul
            lucul 15 December 2020 21: 03
            -2
            Everything is already stolen, it's time to dump, `` dad '' transferred him to another unplowed field.

            "Dad" translated it, thinking that Trump would win, but how Biden won - so immediately another position was found.)))
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 18 December 2020 10: 37
              0
              Quote: lucul
              "Dad" translated it, thinking Trump would win
              A question for telepaths: why couldn't he wait 3 weeks, was in a hurry where?
              1. lucul
                lucul 18 December 2020 10: 39
                -2
                A question for telepaths: why couldn't he wait 3 weeks, was in a hurry where?

                I could not refuse "partners")))
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 18 December 2020 10: 48
                  0
                  Quote: lucul
                  I could not refuse "partners")))
                  Completely confused, if I could not refuse, what does the word "thought" have to do with it? Maybe I'm wrong, you are now developing a version of external management: the conditional Trump ordered - Chubais was removed, the conditional Biden ordered - he was appointed to a new position. So, what?
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 18 December 2020 10: 51
                    -4
                    You are now developing a version of external management: the conditional Trump ordered - Chubais was removed, the conditional Biden ordered - he was appointed to a new position. So, what?

                    You only understand everything literally))) Politics is much more subtle ...
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 18 December 2020 11: 23
                      0
                      Quote: lucul
                      Politics is much more subtle
                      Like a trajectory - an imaginary line along which a bullet moves ... The logic must be iron: if you could not refuse or pull for 3 weeks, then they ordered, and orders are not discussed, you can only think about the way to timely fulfill the task. And further. Chubais is either a significant figure in the political game with the West, then she is not played "for luck" when the arrow of the scales assessing the probability of victory swung in the direction of Biden or Trump, or he is a bargaining pawn, then it is not clear what the noise is, but there is no fight ...
                      1. lucul
                        lucul 18 December 2020 11: 27
                        -1
                        The logic should be ironclad: if he could not refuse or drag out for 3 weeks, then he was ordered, but orders are not discussed, you can only think about the way to timely fulfill the task.

                        I say - take everything literally. You can always refuse - but the "partners" then say - it will be this and that. And you weigh the pros and cons)))
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 18 December 2020 11: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: lucul
                        "partners" then say - it will be so and so. And you weigh the pros and cons
                        Starting with the assumption of the possibility that their opponent will win, then you will have to deal with other partners who desperately need Chubais. It seems to me that for some reason you complicate a simple sequence of actions. The decision to remove Chubais, it seems to me, was made after the Russian Federation has reached a sufficient level of protection from sanctions and other pressure. And this was done before the start of the new fiscal year, so that the new manager could make up a debit with a loan. And the decision on any new appointment of Chubais was announced in advance, but the new position itself was adjusted to fit his capabilities, taking into account the winner.
        2. Machito
          Machito 15 December 2020 21: 13
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Bearded
          Well at least Chubais and Rusnano were removed.

          Everything is already stolen, it's time to dump, `` dad '' transferred him to another unplowed field.

          The Pope translated him to negotiate so that the stolen goods would not be confiscated in the West.
      3. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 20 December 2020 04: 37
        -1
        Chubais was removed ...
        --------
        What happiness ... wink
      4. brother Goronflo
        brother Goronflo 29 December 2020 11: 18
        0
        What 22! Oxx! One, a student at MEPhI, remained ... All the others closed ...
  2. Yuri Kabaev
    Yuri Kabaev 15 December 2020 19: 45
    +5
    On these examples, it becomes obvious the CORRECTNESS of Stalin's actions to repress the too clever optimizers of the time.
    The moronic intelligentsia never thought about the long-term consequences of their optimizing actions.
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer 16 December 2020 19: 16
      0
      Optimizers are officials crawling into warm places under various pretexts. By the way, Khrushchev is a loyal Stalinist, if he were different, he would be an enemy of the people. He said a word about corn and began to plant it all over the country. And such as Khrushchev after Dzhugashvili only remained.
  3. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 December 2020 19: 46
    +6
    Judge for sabotage starting with Serdyukov, Golikova, etc., etc. For the liberals, there are no people in Russia, just like the Motherland. Everything is overseas. They are more happy about Biden's victory than the American Democrats.
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer 16 December 2020 19: 09
      -1
      Take it higher ... We usually discuss switchmen ...
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 9 January 2021 15: 47
      0
      tank64rus You have lived in a tank all these years, CHO LEE. And before Serdyukov, who was with Golikova - ANGELS.
      With whom it all began, they began to scoff at the people 36 years ago, there is not much left until the term of Moses, who fooled the flock for 40 years.
  4. Uran53
    Uran53 16 December 2020 12: 38
    +2
    Does Golikova have honor? Are you joking? Co-author and Head of Medicine Optimization? Yes, on her conscience there are more deaths than Hitler!
  5. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 16 December 2020 13: 02
    -3
    Quote: Bearded
    That's not news. This is a statement of fact. I was especially surprised by the optimization of medical laboratories exactly a year ago. In China, a pandemic has begun, and Golikov's medical laboratories are laid off and health workers are kicked out into the street. And what was she responsible for this? How many human lives did it cost the country? And she at least henna.
    If Golikova had the honor, she would have resigned. And in an amicable way, she should be tried for the collapse of medicine and the death of people.

    Golikova herself came to this post? Serdyukov too? It's probably time to determine who is responsible for all this. Tell me, do you often see the news that in Germany or the United States the governor is imprisoned? This is the way the system is created
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 December 2020 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: Pilat2009
      do you often see the news that in Germany or the USA the governor is imprisoned? this is the system that is created
      -14 000 corruption cases in Germany in 2017...
      Look how the Berlin airport was built, yeah ... there is no corruption ...
      it's even indecent to recall the United States and the lobby (which pay taxes on bribes!)
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 17 December 2020 07: 17
        0
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: Pilat2009
        do you often see the news that in Germany or the USA the governor is imprisoned? this is the system that is created
        -14 000 corruption cases in Germany in 2017...
        Look how the Berlin airport was built, yeah ... there is no corruption ...
        it's even indecent to recall the United States and the lobby (which pay taxes on bribes!)

        I asked you how many governors have been imprisoned in Germany, for example, over the past 10 years
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 December 2020 08: 31
          0
          Well, for starters, there are no governors in Germany ....
          The number of completed cases is quite enough for me - 14 ... even if there are exclusively small corrupt officials ...
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 18 December 2020 12: 26
        0
        Quote: your1970
        and the lobby (who pay taxes on bribes
        This is generally a separate joke. Anecdote early. 80s, approximately: "Question at a meeting of the party committee: Should a communist pay party dues from bribes? Answer: He should, if he is an honest communist!"
  6. zenion
    zenion 16 December 2020 17: 00
    0
    It must be wizards to make fools out of idiots.
  7. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 16 December 2020 19: 08
    0
    It's not her fault that she was appointed ... And then they agreed and approved all of her plans ...
  8. anclevalico
    anclevalico 17 December 2020 07: 39
    +1
    Golikova? Honour? Look at her face. Doll. What an honor ...
  9. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 22 December 2020 14: 32
    -1
    Well, if in the USA there are several times more sick and dead than in Sweden, which is 2 times more than in Russia (this is all on the population), then I don’t even know. chtoli baptize them there. while in japan the nth incidence rate is ten times less than in our country, with a higher population density. Almost everyone in Japan will not get sick with their statistics in their entire life. Well, China is also somewhere in the tens of millions of patients and millions of deaths if China is multiplied by the statistics of the United States ... and so the whole of Asia. But the fact is that Vietnam has 35 deaths in a year. Duc, they expel mask-free people as required by the rules of transportation (threat of pollution), they are fined according to administrative fines (a whole coap and in particular 6,3 and 20,6,1) they are imprisoned for fakes on the Internet that 417 is illegal (and 1 paragraph is not destiny to read) and what is the sanitary norm, the law on it, the terms of quarantine for everyone who contacted the patient to EVERYONE and the test is also required. that's all. that is, suddenly (no) the citizens are also to blame. But those about the genocide in Rwanda or the Armenians in Turkey, it is clear that there is a role for the special services and ministers, but that's not all. hi
  10. vlad106
    vlad106 25 December 2020 17: 01
    0
    Destroyed without a doubt!
  11. Georgy USSR
    Georgy USSR 31 December 2020 07: 38
    0
    In November, he was treated at the Kovid hospital in Ufa, there are no specialized doctors, just urologists and surgeons. There are no therapists and infectious disease specialists at all, there are no nurses at all. Instead of nurses, students of 4-5 courses of medical university who do not know how to do anything either intramuscularly or intravenously. The students are mainly dentists and pediatricians. Injections in the ass are done wherever they want, but the big one, as a result, more than half of the department jump on one leg. My wife was injected and hit the sciatic nerve, for a week I took her to the toilet and back on a wheelchair. They do not know how to do resuscitation measures. I am on duty every year from the enterprise at the OPMP, having seen how one non-medical brother tried to resuscitate a woman over 60. With a blow to the sternum, he eventually broke her, in fact he killed a man who could have been saved if he listened to me together we could have her to rescue. But he studied for 5 years, and I came from the street. Treat the virus with antibiotics! A hormonal pre-salon, which in no case should be given to diabetics, the sugar level rises at times, many fall into a coma and die, blood thinners are done every other time. I had an eliquis with me, I drank it myself and shared it with my wife. We thought it was so bad only in our hospital that it turned out to be happening in the whole city. In Zubovo, the military built a new covid hospital, a doctor friend said that all the remaining city specialists are therapists, infectious disease specialists, cardiologists, etc., nurses there, but it is not realistic for an ordinary person to get there, because this hospital is for the elite
  12. Berkut752
    Berkut752 9 January 2021 15: 37
    0
    Bearded man, now you understand who the year 1937 was meant for. And the words of Putin: we are not in 1937.
    To restore medicine, school, secondary, higher education, social services, jobs, YEARS WILL BE REQUIRED. It's like after the Second World War. REDUCE ALL ECONOMISTS, re-elect the Duma, REMOVE the Council of Elders (Federation Council), transfer the pension fund to state management, build factories and plants.
    There was news: "" "Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin signed a decree on setting the subsistence minimum in 2021 at 11 rubles." "" With this money, go to the store 653-11 times ........... .................., and also a pharmacy, social services.
  13. Natalia Petruchenya
    Natalia Petruchenya 20 January 2021 11: 48
    0
    Judge and sentence to life in prison.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2020 15: 08
    +26
    Unfortunately, I experienced it on my own family. Father-in-law, mother-in-law. Oncology. And in both cases, doctors diagnosed very late. Especially with my father-in-law. There they had been treating "bronchitis" for more than a month, and only then they guessed to do additional tests. As it turned out - lung cancer.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 18
      +21
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, I experienced it on my own family. Father-in-law, mother-in-law. Oncology. And in both cases, doctors diagnosed very late. Especially with my father-in-law. There they had been treating "bronchitis" for more than a month, and only then they guessed to do additional tests. As it turned out - lung cancer.

      Both my parents died of oncology .. for the same reason, diagnostics are useless .. And now all this is still complicated by the availability of funds, because it is practically impossible to pass a narrow specialist for free .. and many have no money for a paid one ..
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 40
        +26
        We do not have a cardiologist in the clinic, from the word at all. Yes, but paid. Medicine should be profitable.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 18: 08
          +15
          Quote: parusnik
          We do not have a cardiologist at the clinic

          We have one gastroenterologist for the entire district. And this is about 400.000 people. Four hundred thousand! There are no coupons for December at all. And in a polyclinic for registration, ENT takes a fee in the same office as it is free. He worked officially, and without leaving he starts a commercial reception. Guess which shift he heals better? laughing
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 15 December 2020 20: 26
            +4
            Guess which shift he heals better?
            But it doesn't cure!
        2. Yuri Kabaev
          Yuri Kabaev 15 December 2020 19: 46
          +8
          ". Medicine should be profitable."
          ==
          Since it is no longer POPULATION HEALTH, but simply a SPHERE OF SERVICES!
        3. 210ox
          210ox 16 December 2020 06: 27
          +1
          About medicine should be profitable .... I hope these are not your words. And there are no words, some mats.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 16 December 2020 06: 30
            +3
            No, not my words .. Everything should be profitable, we have been living under this slogan all the time.
    2. barium
      barium 15 December 2020 18: 01
      +13
      Leader of the Redskins - I have a little brother, that's exactly how they treated - it's you who caught a cold, try this medicine, or this one. they fed him this way for a year, his son took him to the Kazanion Center, they took tests there, and said - lung cancer, you are our client, from such medicine, my brother died ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 December 2020 18: 51
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      There they had been treating "bronchitis" for more than a month, and only then they guessed to do additional tests.

      This is how they "optimized", first of all, older people, with vast experience and knowledge. And who will pass on experience to the young? Specialists in infectious diseases, they have always been worth their weight in gold, but now they are not when they are needed more than other specialists, and the turnover of staff is now more among them, not everyone wants to walk under the "scythe" evil grandmother.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 December 2020 20: 26
        +16
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        There they had been treating "bronchitis" for more than a month, and only then they guessed to do additional tests.

        This is how they "optimized", first of all, older people, with vast experience and knowledge. And who will pass on experience to the young? Specialists in infectious diseases, they have always been worth their weight in gold, but now they are not when they are needed more than other specialists, and the turnover of staff is now more among them, not everyone wants to walk under the "scythe" evil grandmother.

        What are infectious disease specialists? I visited a therapist, she referred me to a cardiologist. She read what the therapist prescribed for me, and was horrified - she was an idiot, or what? So literally, with the patient. Even funnier - they made me a type of tomography of the head and they say - tyry-pyry and skull bones without damage. I wonder - what are the bones of the skull? I replaced them with protacryl 25 years ago! Have you looked at my medical card? Well, we are only describing what the device shows us. What's the name of the furry animal? laughing And in 91 in the ZabVO in the hospital, the doctor looked at a picture of the head - did Novosyolov operate on you? You can't confuse it with anyone .... It would seem, where is the ZabVO and where is the Ural Military District, where they put me on my feet? And medicine was, and the exchange of experience, and how many (free!) Lives saved! Eh, sleepy socialism! sad
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 December 2020 23: 40
          +3
          Quote: Doliva63
          And there was medicine, and the exchange of experience, and how many (free!) Lives were saved! Eh, sleepy socialism!

          What do you want if doctors study on Wikipedia (I exaggerate a little) but climb into a smartphone, and then they make a diagnosis. For they got along on a smartphone.
  • Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 15 December 2020 15: 10
    +23
    As for infectious diseases, I agree to 100. We had a whole military infectious diseases hospital not far from Baltiysk - it was razed to the ground
    1. Yuri Kabaev
      Yuri Kabaev 15 December 2020 19: 55
      +9
      "We had a whole military infectious diseases hospital near Baltiysk - they razed it to the ground."
      ===
      Most of the tuberculosis sanatoriums were liquidated, the death rate from tuberculosis doubled.
      "According to the chief sanitary doctor of Russia, Gennady Onishchenko, only 9 percent of Russian tuberculosis dispensaries meet hygienic standards, 21 percent of such hospitals do not have hot or cold water, 11 percent have no sewerage system, and 20 percent lack anti-tuberculosis drugs." NOT RUSSIANS wrote, but American researchers.
      Therefore, the author's assertion about the FASCHIZATION of our government is the bare truth.
      How many times have I heard that "on the other hand, they don't shoot in the back of the head!", But depriving a huge part of the people of MEANS of LIFE SUPPORTING, in the form of medicines, qualified and timely medical assistance, works no worse than shots in the back of the head or even mass executions from machine guns ...
      As a result, OUTSTANDING SUPERMORTALITY ONLY IN RUSSIA LOST MORE THAN 28 MILLION people over 14 years, which is MORE than the losses of the RSFSR from the Nazi invasion.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 15 December 2020 15: 11
    +35
    It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 20
      +18
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

      He just knows and has repeatedly spoken out about our medicine .. only he is not able to change the situation .. he is only able to state the problem .. well, the pen there is still deliberately tossing ..
      1. times
        times 15 December 2020 15: 54
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        He just knows and has repeatedly spoken out about our medicine .. only he is not able to change the situation

        He was "chosen" to be able to make a difference
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 16 December 2020 12: 44
          +3
          There are still naive people in this world!
      2. BIABIA
        BIABIA 15 December 2020 17: 38
        +22
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: From Tomsk
        It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

        He just knows and has repeatedly spoken out about our medicine .. only he is not able to change the situation .. he is only able to state the problem .. well, the pen there is still deliberately tossing ..


        Somehow
    2. Kuz
      Kuz 15 December 2020 15: 29
      +32
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order

      I thought the same - that someone would have reported to him. He would then harshly scolded the "optimizers" on TV
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 52
        +12
        Quote: Kuz
        I thought the same - that someone would have reported to him. He would then harshly scolded the "optimizers" on TV

        But what about the "vertical"? laughing
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 47
          +7
          Quote: Silvestr
          But what about the "vertical"?

          And we have it facing UP and DOWN. Bottom up doesn't work!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 18: 09
            +11
            The non-return valve is installed. laughing
            1. aglet
              aglet 16 December 2020 09: 10
              -1
              "The non-return valve is standing."
              easier to say, nipple
      2. Yuri Kabaev
        Yuri Kabaev 15 December 2020 19: 57
        +2
        “Optimizers” should not be scolded, but declared enemies of the people and repressed according to the Stalinist model.
      3. Uran53
        Uran53 16 December 2020 12: 47
        0
        Not harsh, but CRUEL
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 December 2020 15: 44
      +25
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Pity that Putin about it they do not know, he would put things in order)))

      Aha wassat
      The writer Nikolai Nikolaevich Nosov managed to write the books "Dunno in the Solar City", "Dunno on the Moon" ... Isn't it time for us to swing at (at least an essay) "Dunno in the Bunker"?
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 December 2020 19: 37
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Isn't it time for us to swing at (at least an essay) "Dunno in the Bunker"?

        Try it. The article on insulting the authorities was introduced for a reason ...
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 16 December 2020 12: 49
          +1
          For Dunno, I hope they won't give much?
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 December 2020 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Uran53
            For Dunno, I hope they won't give much?

            There is no worse to be before your eyes when you need a good example.
    4. parusnik
      parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 09
      +14
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))
      ..He will find out on December 17, and then how he will start to restore order .. laughing
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 54
        +21
        Quote: parusnik
        .He will find out on December 17, and then how he will begin to put things in order.

        And so for 20 years! "There is no time for buildup!" laughing
        Bank-imperial
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 15 December 2020 17: 01
          +7
          laughing Not at all ... But it looks like they didn't jump into the last train carriage ..
          Again the last train ran away from me
          And I'm on the sleepers again on the sleepers
          I'm going home out of habit
          And there is silence around and not a soul around
          Only the tired rails groan
          Only a month is running after me
          My friend is sleepless
          Nor to calm my incomprehensible joy
          So I shuffle every night
          Tomorrow again with my beloved to the stars downtime
          And I'll be late again
          Do not wait for me, perhaps the last train
          Already I'm on the sleepers again on the sleepers
          I'm going home out of habit laughing
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 06
            +10
            Quote: parusnik
            Already I'm on the sleepers again on the sleepers
            I'm going home out of habit

            Makarov sang the best. It was a good time
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 15 December 2020 17: 27
              +5
              That's right, it's a shame that the lyrics have become relevant.
    5. kalibr
      kalibr 15 December 2020 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

      What kind of naivety flourishes among adults!
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 50
      +26
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

      Sarcasm is understandable.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 16 December 2020 08: 02
        0
        Silvestr - Colleague, "everything is going according to plan" here and not only in healthcare and education. The plan is comprehensive, it covers all spheres of life, and this plan has a name, the plan "OST" is called.
        Developed by the Nazis, carried out by the current occupation administration, led by the Gauleiter of course. angry
    7. Doliva63
      Doliva63 16 December 2020 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

      good Killed! Fell under the table laughing
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 15: 15
    -22%
    project program to eliminate the "excess" population
    This is all nonsense. Viral pandemic, everyone is fighting as best they can. The mass extinction of humanity is not visible. They die from covid in the United States and Israel, as well as in Sweden, Russia and China. Everyone is equal.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 22
      +11
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      They die from covid in the USA and Israel, as well as in Sweden, Russia and China. Everyone is equal.

      All are equal, but you have written Russia with a small letter. Don't you live in Russia? Or is Russia so hateful?
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 15: 23
        -1
        you wrote with a small letter
        The button slipped through. Corrected in half a minute. Essentially have something to say?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 25
          +14
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          you wrote with a small letter
          The button slipped through. Corrected in half a minute. Essentially have something to say?

          In fact, I do not care what others have .. I am only interested in Russia because I and my children live here.
          1. Salty
            Salty 15 December 2020 15: 31
            -10%
            Quote: Svarog
            ... I don't care what the others have ... I'm only interested in Russia ...

            I will remind you of this phrase, "Svarog". Repeatedly yes
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 37
              +16
              Quote: SaltY
              Quote: Svarog
              ... I don't care what the others have ... I'm only interested in Russia ...

              I will remind you of this phrase, "Svarog". Repeatedly yes

              Roman, write it down, you can get yourself a tattoo somewhere .. You need to be equal to a positive experience .. and I see no point in comparing countries where it is also bad ..
              1. Salty
                Salty 15 December 2020 15: 51
                -16%
                Quote: Svarog
                yes write down

                What for? I'm not complaining about the memory ... and you just dramatically reduced your room for maneuver. With this very phrase, yes.
                wink

                As for our medicine - yes, only for a couple of weeks I talked to her, I'm quite satisfied ... the ward is warm, the bed is clean, the feeding, ahem ... well, they won't let you die for sure laughing

                By the way, our "crushed" medicine copes with the coronavirus much more successfully than the unbroken European and American ones ... it’s with what kind of cabbage soup, I wonder? what

                Quote: Svarog
                ... free narrow specialist pass practically not real .. but many have no money for paid ..

                You would go to the States, buddy, there it is even theoretically impossible. There you will fix a vulgar pneumonia for free, and you are rubbing against oncology ... ugh negative
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 15 December 2020 16: 00
                  +10
                  Quote: SaltY
                  You should go to the States, my friend, there it is even theoretically impossible. There you will fix a vulgar pneumonia for free, and you are rubbing against oncology ... ugh

                  Roman, you never wrote it down .. but you must, your short-term memory is failing .. I just said that it’s not interesting in the USA at all .. in the USA there is nothing at all that I would like to adopt for Russia ..
                  As for our medicine - yes, only for a couple of weeks I talked to her, I'm quite satisfied ... the ward is warm, the bed is clean, the feeding, ahem ... well, they won't let you die for sure laughing

                  Well .. you are so protecting the authorities, they reciprocate you .. Only people like you, a couple of percent of the total population ..
                  1. Salty
                    Salty 15 December 2020 16: 06
                    -12%
                    Quote: Svarog
                    you protect the power so much

                    Yah? belay

                    Quote: Svarog
                    she reciprocates you ..

                    Oha ... exactly, I was there, like, even one was lying laughing Not otherwise, as all others also "protect the power."

                    Quote: Svarog
                    like you, a couple percent of the total population ..

                    Those like me - significantly less. But it’s not about me, but about the fact that my cholecystitis was repaired two weeks ago in therapy (!!!) in a couple of weeks. Moreover, they fixed it normally. And there is also a department of neurology, cardiology, and so on, and so on ... and everyone is working, which is typical. Free, mind you yes
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 15 December 2020 16: 50
                      -14%
                      For a long time already I have been trying not to be treated for free and ... it turns out great. All the necessary tests, examination and appointments in an hour. I had to get acquainted with free medicine ... I caught the virus with my wife. We went to the polyclinic early in the morning ... The doctor diagnosed pneumonia there, prescribed medication - drink, take injections. She said about CT, but this is the turn ... I didn't like it. We went to a paid clinic, sat in line for an hour, did an X-ray ... We sent the results to the doctor via the Internet. She coordinated the treatment. There were no medicines in nearby pharmacies. But on the Internet I found out where it was, took a taxi and bought it. As a result, we got better. Yes, it was hard, but .. I would not say that everything was so terrible. If everything is done on time, then no problem.
                      1. Yuri Kabaev
                        Yuri Kabaev 15 December 2020 19: 59
                        +7
                        "I have been trying for a long time not to receive treatment for free and ... it works out great. In an hour, all the necessary tests, examinations and appointments."
                        ===
                        And who has no money - let them die?
                      2. kalibr
                        kalibr 15 December 2020 20: 03
                        -16%
                        Quote: Yuri Kabaev
                        And who has no money - let them die?
                        Why not? Money ... you can always make money. There is no mind how to do this - ask. There is no mind to ask ... lay the asphalt over there or instead of "people from the East" lay paths at the dachas. To drink, by the way, for some reason there is always money!
                      3. Varyag71
                        Varyag71 16 December 2020 11: 04
                        +1
                        No mind, so no need to write heresy
                      4. kalibr
                        kalibr 16 December 2020 11: 15
                        -2
                        Oh, how -14 armless, worthless .... marked with cons? Well, so you still won't get either money or mind ...
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 29
                  +7
                  Quote: SaltY
                  in therapy (!!!) cholecystitis was repaired in a couple of weeks.

                  laughing therapists also treat them like Chumak
                  1. Salty
                    Salty 15 December 2020 18: 45
                    -11%
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    therapists also treat them like Chumak

                    They cure normally, Tested on Animals ... well, on mnu, for example)))
                3. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 17 December 2020 18: 47
                  0
                  Well, you guys were very lucky that that hospital was not re-profiled into a covid one ... mine was re-profiled, as a result I cannot get into a day hospital for almost 8 months, because for other clinics I am a “stranger”, and my own is covid ... request
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 27
              +5
              Quote: SaltY
              You should go to the States, buddy,

              Do you have any experience? Or
              Quote: SaltY
              the ward is warm, the bed is clean, feeding,

              Only here?
              1. Salty
                Salty 15 December 2020 18: 46
                -10%
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: SaltY
                You should go to the States, buddy,

                Do you have any experience? Or

                Friends live there, in California. Familiar with the 79th. Info from them, I must - I will share.
            3. Nazar
              Nazar 16 December 2020 08: 15
              -1
              SaltY - Quote: "As for our medicine - but only a couple of weeks since I talked with it, I'm quite satisfied" - are you working out a pretty penny, a fighter of the virtual front, line by line pay for "positive"? Here another one who is satisfied with everything is wiped off - kalibr, he lies as he breathes, just like you. When you are seriously "pressed", and no one will treat you for free, and extortionists in white coats will pull out of you everything, every penny - will you be "quite satisfied"?
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 16 December 2020 11: 21
                -4
                Quote: Nazar
                kalibr, lies as he breathes,

                No, Igor. Why would I lie to the poor. It's like hitting a child in a sandbox. It's just that there is Pareto's law that 80% of people are conceived by drunkenness, poorly brought up, socialized, educated, and ... they end up badly. They "must be given." They cannot take it themselves. And there are 20% of the rest who take it themselves. And 80% - for example, this is insulting to you. But there's nothing you can do about it.
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 16 December 2020 20: 50
                  +1
                  kalibr - Vyacheslav, I have nothing to take offense at, my Father, Doctor of Technical Sciences. , head department in a large university did not drink at all, even for the new year. Mother Ph.D. in another university, even more so. So with heredity and upbringing, everything is more than normal for me.
                  But you have problems - hereditary, or acquired it is difficult to say, you have Mania, you have decided for yourself. what is the right to divide people according to "grades"? Who delegated such a right to you, a provincial graphomaniac - eh?
                  With your hypertrophied conceit, it's time for you to go to a psychologist and do not delay, "it" progresses and then you will have to go to a psychiatrist. wassat
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 16 December 2020 21: 42
                    -2
                    It's good, Igor, that you have such parents, but it's a pity that you ... did not follow their path. I think they regret it in their hearts. But who told you that it was I who divide people according to their sorts? They are divided by science, "Pareto's law", not me. And the law is, therefore, the law, because it exists and you cannot get away from it. And "provincial graphomaniac", ah-ah, what a spiteful and derogatory characterization. She's just stupid, that's why it doesn't work! Before writing, you should always look on the Internet. Today - your dad and mom should have enlightened you in this - it doesn't matter where the author lives, it is important where he is published. And if, say, I lived in the town of Lorriet de Mar in Spain. Also ... a province by the sea, but good ... London and Oxford (where the Osprey publishing house was located at different times) also cannot be called provincial cities, as well as the publishing houses Eksmo, AST, Polygon, Enlightenment, Rosman. Do you know more central publishers? Share, I don’t ... So, Igor, I read your comment and for some reason I felt sorry for your parents.
                  2. Nazar
                    Nazar 18 December 2020 04: 34
                    0
                    kalibr - As you wrote - a quote: "They are divided by science," Pareto's law ", science Vyacheslav? You know, there was already such a" science "that divided people by varieties, A. Rosenberg and others like him, according to that" science " people like you, and people like me, must be destroyed, in view of racial inferiority.
                    The "science" to which you refer is the rationale for "social Darwinism", according to which 80% of people, in view of their, now not racial, but social inferiority, should, as it were, naturally "die out" by themselves. This is a modern reincarnation of fascism and the fact that you refer to such a "science" does not do you credit.
                  3. kalibr
                    kalibr 18 December 2020 06: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Nazar
                    but social inferiority

                    Do you need to understand that it does not exist? Everyone is educated, read Burns in the original, do not roll around drunk, obscenities eradicated, as well as theft and violence? In what, however, a good society we live. I didn't know. But if all this exists, then what is fascism - to call all things in their own words?
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 17 December 2020 01: 01
                +3
                How did it get to me, dear Nazar, when an artist from the retinue, from the most insignificant, rarely demanded dancer, suddenly imagines himself the main character. Like Kirkorov laughing lol Will start to admit the most important aspect, teach everyone, climb with stupid and unnecessary advice to anyone. One cannot understand that out of 20%, only one or two percent own more than 90% of all funds and all resources, and almost all real power. The rest of these 20% ------ background, dance, jerk jackals, and maybe worse.
              3. Nazar
                Nazar 17 December 2020 05: 14
                0
                Reptiloid - exactly like that, Colleague, as you wrote - "dance", - got into the hands of crumbs from the master's table - everything, life is good, he is a "successful man" and all around are losers and "poor" ...
                As kalibr wrote: "They" must be given. "They are not able to take themselves" - the funny person is mistaken, the "poor" can "take it themselves" and take it, forgot the pseudo-historian, or did not even know about such a process - "expropriation of expropriators" ? Those one or two percent you wrote about will run away, but the dance will become "grease for the bayonet." During a time of serious social upheaval, there is no other way. hi
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              5. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 17 December 2020 14: 22
                +1
                hi : hi ----- here's another topic wassat ------ There are frequent references to drunken parents and the results of their drunken actions, and the funny thing is that we have met all the stories about a child drinking at a table with adults. And this is exactly drunkenness for a child, if a schoolboy, it is alcoholism that can be with all the consequences. And the constant accusations of others for the drunken actions of their parents, you know which ones ---- drinks love ------- is it not a desire to hide the terrible truth? Like ----- no one. did not guess.
              6. kalibr
                kalibr 18 December 2020 06: 03
                0
                Quote: Reptiloid
                is it not a desire to hide the terrible truth?

                Could it be that you, Dima, graduated from St. Petersburg University with a degree in deviant behavior psychology? Thinking like a professional doctor!
              7. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 18 December 2020 08: 55
                +1
                hi First of all, I am a professional reader! I can memorize a lot and remember when needed. laughing lol I wrote to you Vyacheslav Olegovich, once, that I graduated with a degree in psychology, from the firms where I worked. Even in PM to you a few years ago .. However, not only to you.
              8. kalibr
                kalibr 18 December 2020 09: 20
                0
                Quote: Reptiloid
                that he graduated with a degree in psychology, from the firms where he worked.

                Amazing, just amazing! But here it is not deposited in the memory, excuse me generously, after all 66 already, the memory fails.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 18 December 2020 06: 01
          0
          Quote: Nazar
          Can the “poor” “take it themselves” and take it, forgot the pseudo-historian, or didn’t know about such a process at all - “expropriation of expropriators”?

          Do you want to go to the barricades? And you think that then something will break off to you? You won't even be found!
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 December 2020 09: 02
          +2
          I don’t understand what the barricades have to do with it? After all, all 30 post-Soviet years there is a loss of property of some of our citizens in favor of other citizens or organizations.
          Doesn't anyone know that?
        4. kalibr
          kalibr 18 December 2020 09: 18
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          After all, all 30 post-Soviet years there is a loss of property of some of our citizens in favor of other citizens or organizations.

          Well, this is natural!
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 18 December 2020 13: 22
      +1
      hi hi About those who are the background. Well let them be the background. But the factory will not be allowed. We must show the lowest respect.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 18 December 2020 06: 00
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    The rest of these 20% ------ background, dance, jerk jackals, and maybe worse.

    Yes, Dima, yes! But who, then, are these 80%?
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 December 2020 09: 11
    +1
    When you glorify wild capitalism, you justify it with the Pareto law.
    And at one time, Alexander Green pointed out exactly your error, several years ago.
    Also, a wonderful woman, the Depressant, wrote about this topic when talking about socialism.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 18 December 2020 09: 16
    0
    Ugh on their judgments! Well, who is this Green? I can not even agree with the opinion of every candidate of sciences, not all of them are equal to me. I can, on reflection, agree with the opinion of the doctor of sciences and then, evidence-based ... And who is he? It will become! Let's see then. And I don't glorify anything. It is ... You either accept it or not. But not accepting the realities of life, you find yourself in the position of a person trying to stop the locomotive. This is ridiculous.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 December 2020 10: 35
    +1
    To Candidates and Doctors of Science ---- Your consent ----- indifferently.
    They don't even know about you.
    And how can I not accept life? Some nonsense has been written. request
  • kalibr
    kalibr 18 December 2020 11: 06
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Some nonsense is written.

    It is necessary to write indifferently with two "f".
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 December 2020 11: 19
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Some nonsense is written.

    It is necessary to write indifferently with two "f".
    how so. Do you know this word? After all, how many times to reproaches for mistakes ----- answered that you have ---- proofreaders.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 18 December 2020 11: 27
    0
    That's it! I can, I write a lot. You only write comments of very strange content.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 December 2020 11: 45
    +2
    If you write more, then the demand is more. By the way, I see how you offer your books by the piece and write that you made a mistake in your predictions ...... What's that? Lack of qualifications or something else?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 56
    +12
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Essentially have something to say?

    There is. How to explain the excess mortality rate of 300 thousand? Or the greatest lethality among doctors - 900 souls! How I do not care about this over the hill.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 17: 06
      -10%
      As with this over the hill, I do not care.
      So then the virus should not care. Or you don't care about selectivity either wassat
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 11
        +8
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        So then the virus should not care.

        Excuse me! It's not so much about the virus, but about the readiness to resist it. We got used to walking against tanks with a "three-line"! Got it! There are not enough doctors. Oh well!
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Or you don't care about selectivity either

        Mutually. If so brave, go to the "red zone" as an orderly. Feel the moment!
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 17: 23
          -6
          It's not so much about the virus, but about the readiness to confront it
          The fact is that no one can resist the virus with a 100% victory. And neither capitalism, nor the oligarchs, nor even the Anglo-Saxons, nor even Putin are to blame. The whole world is in trouble.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 15 December 2020 18: 48
            +7
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            The fact is that no one can resist the virus with a 100% victory.

            Does this mean that in this case nothing needs to be done at all? Then alaverdi: why medicine and treat people, if everyone will die anyway?
            1. Salty
              Salty 15 December 2020 19: 06
              -13%
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              The fact is that no one has to resist the virus with 100% victory does not work.

              Does this mean that in this case nothing needs to be done at all? Then alaverdi: why medicine and treat people, if everyone will die anyway?

              I love doctors yes

              Docta, CO 100% probability we can only say one thing - we will all die someday (s).

              Then interest starts to play)))

              Don't be blunt, it doesn't suit you ... dokta laughing
        2. Salty
          Salty 15 December 2020 18: 57
          -11%
          Quote: Silvestr
          It's not so much about the virus, but about the readiness to resist it. Used to walk against tanks with a "three-line"

          So what? In the States - under 30000 "critical", we have - 2300. Next, you need statistics?

          Quote: Silvestr
          There are not enough doctors

          Nowhere else in the world is there enough. So what?

          Quote: Silvestr
          If so brave, go to the "red zone"

          I would have gone, purely for fun, but I can't: dogs, a cat ... I'm the only one with them, if anything - they have a kirdyk ... but I need it? wink
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 06
            +12
            Quote: SaltY
            In the States - under 30000 "critical" we have - 2300. Next, you need statistics?

            Do you guarantee the reliability of our statistics? wink And as far as I know, the bulk of those on mechanical ventilation are diagnosed with viral pneumonia, not Covid.
            Or are you another unseeing reality?
            1. Salty
              Salty 15 December 2020 19: 10
              -12%
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              As far as I know, the bulk of those on mechanical ventilation are diagnosed with viral pneumonia, not Covid

              A source? Mine is here:

              https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?#countries

              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 34
                +10
                Your source reflects data provided by national ministries of health. And judging by the fact that the overwhelming majority of patients with pneumonia are not given Covid, there is no trust in the data of our Ministry of Health. In Togliatti Medgorodok, entire departments, 810, oncology were taken for pneumonia. But officially, the covid ones are only in the infectious diseases. They are less than 30% of the bedridden. And given the fact that the overwhelming mass with less than 20% of the lungs is sent home, also with a diagnosis of viral pneumonia, the number of really sick Covid is many times greater. And honestly, and not on orders from above, we will not be any different from the United States.
                I think if you are honest, you will admit the fog and inconsistencies in the compilation of statistics.
                1. Salty
                  Salty 15 December 2020 19: 40
                  -14%
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  to be honest, and not on orders from above, we will not be any different from the United States

                  You to Svarog, with your methods of counting. You will sing, I think.

                  And the fact that teaching you is only to spoil, yes ... has long been widely known.

                  When asked about the source your knowledge you never answered, by the way ... symptomatic laughing

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  As far as I know, the bulk of those on mechanical ventilation are diagnosed with viral pneumonia, not Covid

                  Source, brute? OBS, hike? wink
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 44
                  +10
                  Quote: SaltY
                  And the fact that teaching you is only to spoil, yes ... has long been widely known.

                  You haven't changed yet, Roma. Everything around you will burn, you will suffocate from the smoke, but you will still demand proof that this is indeed a fire. All of you are God's dew. Quarantine is not good for you.
                3. Salty
                  Salty 15 December 2020 19: 46
                  -8
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  All of you are God's dew. Quarantine is not good for you

                  Cool. I'm being diagnosed ... buddy, train on cats (c) laughing
                4. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: SaltY
                  buddy train on cats
                  Not so long ago, the kitty was on your profile picture. laughing
                  Have you already moved out of pets? wink Is it something isoteric now?
                5. Salty
                  Salty 15 December 2020 19: 53
                  -10%
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Is it something isoteric now?

                  Repeat English ... you school. In my current nickname everything is transparent to horror)))

                  Okay. I'm tired of you already, Igorek ... go already, and go, and go yes

                  The sense of chatting with you is like with "Svarog" negative
                6. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 20: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: SaltY
                  and go

                  To Belgium Roma, you urgently need to go to Belgium. wink The medicine there is correct, normal, just for you. laughing
                7. Salty
                  Salty 15 December 2020 20: 36
                  -9
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  To Belgium Roma, you urgently need to go to Belgium

                  Into the garden, Igorek, into the garden ... "- Will you sing there? - No. You will listen there!" (from) laughing
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 December 2020 20: 15
    +9
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Or are you another unseeing reality?

    No. He's just Golovan or Jack
    1. Salty
      Salty 15 December 2020 20: 24
      -7
      Quote: Silvestr
      No. He's just Golovan or Jack

      Doctor, heal myself (s) not me.

      And Jack (aka Golovan) is my dogs. Major mastiff, yes. And he's all right yes
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 20: 45
        +3
        Quote: SaltY
        And Jack (aka Golovan) is my dogs. Major mastiff, yes. And he's all right

        And thank God. Is the Mastiff slobbering?
      2. Salty
        Salty 15 December 2020 20: 48
        -7
        Quote: Silvestr
        Is the Mastiff slobbering?

        Not. The breed is so special, not slobbering)
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 20: 50
        +1
        Quote: SaltY
        The breed is so special, not slobbering)

        What kind of breed?
      4. Salty
        Salty 15 December 2020 21: 02
        -7
        Quote: Silvestr
        What kind of breed?

        Pancake.

        Quote: SaltY
        Major mastiff

        Cadebo.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 15 December 2020 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    No. He's just Golovan or Jack

    They also know him as a manul cat .. or a manuil)) he's not bad .. in general there are a lot of them, the essence is the same - the guards .. I'm sure that they are not free ..
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 20: 27
    +7
    Or a cat, or a manul. And he doesn't even have a split personality. And he had this account created during the validity period of another, although he himself constantly wrote complaints for violating the rules of the site.
    The grave will fix the hunchback (proverb). request
  • Poganini
    Poganini 15 December 2020 15: 24
    -9
    Alex, did you know that the United States ranked first in the World Economic Forum's ranking of countries for epidemic preparedness? )) And now they are in 1st place in terms of the number of covids from Covid.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 15: 28
      -12%
      And now they are in 1st place in terms of the number of covids from Covid.
      That completely refutes the thesis of global control of the population with the help of this very covid-state people will not destroy their population.
      1. Poganini
        Poganini 15 December 2020 15: 51
        -14%
        Of course it refutes. I don't even want to talk about all this nonsense in the article, it hurts a lot of it. ) I was glad that the author is such a multi-source - he is a notable infectious disease specialist in the farm. ) I, however, read diagonally, more highly concentrated insanity.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 15: 55
          -11%
          Of course it refutes. I don't even want to talk about all this nonsense in the article.
          We have reached a consensus on this issue. drinks
          read diagonally, more highly concentrated insanity.
          I read everything, I agree, from the insanity of such a concentration, even a stainless steel will deteriorate wassat
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 15 December 2020 15: 58
        +8
        Oh is it? Not only in Russia they want to notice the population to be more obedient and loyal (due to mentality and education), but also in the United States to be less freedom-loving. The Americans will restore their population at once, and the border with Mexico will be opened for a year. The families that really control the United States do not think they will suffer.
      3. Alf
        Alf 15 December 2020 19: 47
        +4
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        shtatovtsy will not destroy their population.

        Do you seriously think that some du Pont, Rockefeller or Kerry is worried about the fate of an average or, moreover, a beggar American?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 57
      +7
      Quote: Poganini
      And now they are in 1st place in terms of the number of covids from Covid.

      So they consider mortality from sick people, and we from the number of positive tests. Got it?
      1. Poganini
        Poganini 15 December 2020 17: 11
        -8
        And there will be proofs for whoever thinks? And then I do not really believe in the word "gentlemen", especially in VO. )
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 14
          +9
          Quote: Poganini
          Otherwise I don't really believe in "gentlemen"

          Your opinion to the light bulb specialists. To have an opinion on this issue, you need to be in the environment. And you judge as a consumer, so consume "sturgeon of the seventh freshness"
          1. Poganini
            Poganini 15 December 2020 18: 08
            -5
            And I don’t ask the “specialists”, but the one who blurted out that they think they are screwed up in different ways, but does not want to provide proofs. Lied therefore?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 15 December 2020 18: 44
              +2
              Quote: Poganini
              zhmurov in different ways,

              They think differently, I myself think so
              1. Poganini
                Poganini 15 December 2020 19: 13
                -5
                Well, since he himself is kapets how convincing. And in the states do you count? Or will there still be proofs?
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  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 15: 30
    +15
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    This is all nonsense. Viral pandemic, everyone is fighting as best they can. The mass extinction of humanity is not visible. They die from covid in the United States and Israel, as well as in Sweden, Russia and China. Everyone is equal.

    the question is not in the "covid" but in the systemic problem of medicine in OUR country, states, China and everything else, even if at least at the navel erupt at least everyone will take a break from peritonitis or something else
    in our district polyclinic, an appointment with a THERAPEIST for two weeks in advance without any pandemics, she is one for the whole area and, to put it mildly, is not very smart
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 15: 35
      -12%
      Ostensibly in order to solve the problem of the impending lack of resources. And to prevent an ecological disaster.
      I do not agree with this part of the above. And this is unlikely to correlate with the fact that your district therapist
      not very smart to say the least
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 15: 48
        +10
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        I do not agree with this part of the above. And this is unlikely to correlate with the fact that your district therapist

        It is not necessary to "produce unnecessary entities". Leave you already "conspiracy theory" to the victims of the exam. Medicine is "optimized" because more money can be squeezed out of the sick population for drugs, and this is only one of the reasons.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 15: 44
      +14
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      in our district polyclinic, an appointment with a THERAPEIST for two weeks in advance without any pandemics, she is one for the whole area and, to put it mildly, is not very smart

      We are going to give birth to a neighboring city, 70 km away, they took everything under the covid. And in your own car, because you can wait for an ambulance from 3 hours.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 18: 43
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        We go to give birth to a neighboring city, 70 km away

        we did so even without covid
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 15 December 2020 16: 44
      +16
      The problem is not medicine, the problem is the system. When all the activities of mankind are reduced to one thing - earning money. Meanwhile, a doctor must treat people, Russian Railways must transport goods, metro people, and so on and so on. This should be their main concern, not how to knock out as much money as possible .. But this is only possible under socialism ..
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 December 2020 15: 53
    +13
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    That’s all nonsense. Viral pandemic, everyone is fighting as best they can. The mass extinction of humanity is not visible.

    You wrote everything correctly. "Nonsense squeals and grunts plaintively." The mass extinction of humanity cannot be seen from our sofas, and we will never receive truthful information from anyone: we haven’t come out with a snout. I don't know how to call it when:

    I'll see how many of us remain after the pandemic. And why is it to me a population that is not dying out? It speaks poorly in Russian, and writes "through the tree stump".
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 25
      +9
      Yuri Vasilyevich, well, Bolivar could not stand another 442834 of the population, as our colleague Boltorez writes, people die everywhere, Russia is no exception, and in 19 years this is not much at all. And most likely they were "rogue", not oligarchs. smile
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 16: 34
      -9
      I don't know what to call it
      This is a table of population dynamics taken from wikipedia. Only it is not indicated that loss is not necessarily mortality. A man left to study in Moscow and stayed to work there - he also declined. Or he was drafted into the service and after demobilization there and stayed there.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 54
    +9
    They die from covid in the United States and Israel, as well as in Sweden, Russia and China. Everyone is equal.
    The right approach to business. They die from covid everywhere, than Russia is worse, even in this Russia should be on a par with other foreign countries. They die, and let them die in Russia. smile
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 16: 30
      -9
      They die from covid everywhere, than Russia is worse, even in this Russia should be on a par with other foreign countries
      And what, it was necessary for the government to take and prohibit this virus by decree wassat And to introduce a criminal article for death from covid?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 34
        +6
        At least not to optimize medicine, not to bring it to such a state that the mortality rate would be less. I appreciate your joke. It's funny, I guess.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 16: 36
          -10%
          Not bad medicine in France, England, Italy, too, can not really cope. They are dying and that's it.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 40
            +8
            "A simple man: if he dies, he will die; if he recovers, then he will get well anyway" (c) ... And their medicine is not bad, it is optimized no worse than ours.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 16: 45
              -7
              And their medicine is not bad, it is optimized no worse than ours
              Whose medicine will suit you? North Korean, or what? In Israel and Switzerland, they are also dying.
              I can't say anything bad about the Anglian and French systems.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 54
                +6
                I am not interested in the "medicine" indicated by you. I am worried about Russia and the fact that thanks to the reforms carried out, Russians are dying. It doesn't bother you and okay. Russians die and let them die, it's okay in Switzerland and then they die. And who dies, "rogue" who cannot afford the English and French systems of medicine, unlike you.
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 17: 03
                  -7
                  afford english
                  can anyone who is legally in the country - it's free. I'm not talking about this at all, but about the fact that covid is a problem for everyone, and no medicine can destroy it.
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 15 December 2020 17: 14
                    +5
                    Glad to your pessimism. We will all die. laughing Besides you, of course, who will be able to turn to English and French medicine in time. laughing
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 17: 19
                      -4
                      I have already noticed that no medicine can cure 100% of the sick. So what are you talking about?
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 35
                      +5
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      I have already noticed that no medicine can cure 100% of the sick.

                      What nosology, special? With panaritium it is very possible. Or with caries laughing
                    3. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 17: 43
                      -3
                      We're talking about covid.
                    4. New Year day
                      New Year day 15 December 2020 18: 45
                      +3
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      We're talking about covid.

                      Right
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      attention that no medicine will cure 100% of the sick

                      With what? Express your thoughts clearly, since you dived into the wild
                    5. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 18: 48
                      -7
                      The mentality of the bazaar velikoukr does not disappear anywhere laughing No geopolitical tricks will change anything tongue
                    6. Intruder
                      Intruder 15 December 2020 20: 33
                      -2
                      The mentality of the bazaar velikoukr does not disappear anywhere
                      sho again, it does not give rest - the mildness of the bazaar and brave Great Russian !? :)
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 18: 50
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          can anyone who is legally in the country - it's free.

          Have you seen enough TV? Or are you a soldier?
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 18: 53
            -5
            Have you seen enough TV?
            Worse citizenship received tongue But even before receiving one, it was exactly the same, because he came legally.
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 35
            -1
            Doesn't believe Mistra Minus?
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 21: 21
            -1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            But even before receiving one, it was exactly the same, because he came legally.

            Either we understand differently what free medicine is, or you have received citizenship in some other Russia.
          4. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 21: 26
            -1
            afford english
            can anyone who is legally in the country - it's free
            The sailboat actually reproached me for being able to use the English healthcare system.
          5. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 21: 39
            0
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            The sailboat actually reproached me for being able to use the English healthcare system.

            So you got citizenship in England?
          6. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 21: 40
            0
            Yes! On the branch, everything is painted.
          7. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 December 2020 07: 51
            0
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Yes! On the branch, everything is painted.

            That is why, the more patriotic a person is, the further from Russia he lives?
          8. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 December 2020 11: 41
            0
            In this case, I try to be objective, not patriotic.
          9. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 December 2020 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            In this case, I try to be objective, not patriotic.

            We all "try", but we do not always succeed. Sorry if I offended you with something. You just argue sometimes with the "zaputinets", but it turns out that he is either broadcasting from Europe, or waiting for a visa there. I understood from your comments that you are from the Baltics? Was in Vilnius during the USSR, a very clean city. He lit a cigarette, went to throw a match into the trash can.
          10. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 December 2020 12: 32
            0
            From the outside it is often clearly visible what is not noticeable from the inside.
            that you are from the Baltics? Was in Vilnius
            Latvia, Riga.
            There are two opinions in Runet - we are all the way, in Europe there are gays, poverty and refugees, so in Russia there is almost paradise and all the way. And vice versa - to correct, they give out apartments and cars, and here we are starving. Both are harmful. And there is no adequate, balanced realistic view of "Here" and "There". And if there had been, then maybe there would have been more patriotism, and there were several times fewer people willing to go to Bolotnaya. And adequate people are generally more effective as creators.
            You have not tried ezhatina kebab in Vilnius wassat
          11. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 December 2020 13: 09
            +1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            You have not tried ezhatina kebab in Vilnius

            Under the USSR, they did not cook this there.)))) I tried turtle soup in Uzbekistan and the ashtrays there were made from their shells.
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            There are two opinions in Runet ...

            I understand that both of these opinions are false. Russia has achieved the greatest successes under the USSR, there are many reasons, collectivism is Russia's strong point, it must be used.
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            maybe there would have been more patriotism, and there were several times fewer people willing to go to Bolotnaya.

            People have little idea of ​​what Navalny and company want. Navalny is the new 90s, and then fascism. Although now there are attempts to build it, and they are quite successful.
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            And adequate people are generally more effective as creators.

            Who would argue. It's bad that people don't want to think critically, they don't want to think and read. Reading skills are lost at school. More and more vidosiki are watching. The problem of education today is one of our main problems. They take the watch from Russian and mathematics and give it to the "law of God" and the world around it.
          12. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 December 2020 13: 30
            0
            Navalny and company
            He wants to get to the trough. To attach their children to directors of state corporations, to buy a superyacht and an estate in Italy. And at any cost, until recently he went like a Russian nationalist, but unsuccessfully and quickly repainted. Ordinary bulk want it to be like in the West, as they see it in their dreams. Where, at roughly equal Moscow prices (true), his "work" of a dropout system administrator will be paid tens of thousands of pounds a month (not true laughing ). In general, dumb marginals.
            They take the watch from Russian and mathematics and give it to the "law of God" and the world around them.
            One joy - the opportunity to learn anything is now on everyone's table. Just learn, not like cats.
            Tried turtle soup in Uzbekistan
            Frog legs (in France) are very tasty. And in modern Latvia and Lithuania they don't eat hedgehogs, we are traditionalists with an average income.
          13. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 December 2020 13: 35
            +1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            One joy - the opportunity to learn anything is now on everyone's table. Just learn, not like cats.

            Yes, this is a huge plus of our time. All my children are family-schooled, for which there is much more knowledge.
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            .... In general, dumb marginals.

            They don't want to study, but you have to study all your life. I'm over 50, but I'm still studying.
          14. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 December 2020 13: 43
            0
            Separately, I would like to note that if I had to get a visa to England, I would not go. I received a visa only once in my life - to Russia, oddly enough.
          15. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 December 2020 13: 45
            +1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Separately, I would like to note that if I had to get a visa to England, I would not go. I received a visa only once in my life - to Russia, oddly enough.

            For that, Armenians get citizenship "just once". Corruption and clannishness, of course, are terrible.
          16. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 December 2020 13: 51
            0
            Yes, you can't buy a passport in England sad It is surprising among Russians to worship pseudo-luxurious things (and readiness to do anything for them) - to breathlessly look at a Mercedes, on which only a black man will drive in Europe, or to be proud of a trip to Portugal, a tourist fast food. After all, someone really takes bribes to buy this Mercedes and iPhone laughing
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 33
    +6
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    They die in Israel and Switzerland too.

    Everywhere they die, that's why hospitals exist. But patients must die correctly, that is, with ineffective use of all available methods and means. 20 souls who died in Rostov due to lack of oxygen are not included in this category
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 December 2020 20: 20
    +6
    Quote: parusnik
    A simple man: if he dies, he will die; if he gets well, he will get well

    Yes, it is more suitable here:

    Putin:
    - If I heard right, you said about the patient management system ... Patients do not need to be managed. Patients need to be treated.
    Murashko:
    - That's the way it is, this is the order. Ever since I took over the leadership, it may seem incredible to you, everyone is recovering like flies. The patient does not have time to enter the infirmary, as he is already healthy; and not so much medicine as honesty and order.
    laughing
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 19: 30
    +4
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Viral pandemic, everyone is fighting as best they can.

    The day before yesterday, the father of his friend's wife died. He did not live to see retirement. A former colleague died a couple of weeks ago. The kid was 40 years old.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 36
      0
      From the last place of work, the manager died from covidle a month ago. Under 50, nepilnecuril. It happens.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 19: 41
        +4
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        It happens.

        Of course it happens. Only in no other case was they admitted to the hospital until the last, although the wife of a friend herself works as a nurse.
  • Alf
    Alf 15 December 2020 19: 39
    +3
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Everyone is equal.

    Do you know a lot of deceased billionaire millionaires?
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 47
      0
      Kenzo Takada, Japanese multimillionaire Stanley Cera, American real estate developer. Boris Alexandrov.
      deceased millionaire billionaires
      Statistically, there are not so many of them alive.
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        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 54
          0
          Hollywood and Broadway stars did not count, and at least they are not poor. These are iconic, so to speak, specimens Want more-internet to help .. And so-covid mows everyone equally. Boris Johnson was taken to bed in St. Thomas hospital, where I myself once lay.
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 December 2020 19: 53
        +3
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Kenzo Takada, Japanese multimillionaire Stanley Cera, American real estate developer. Boris Alexandrov.
        deceased millionaire billionaires
        Statistically, there are not so many of them alive.

        As many as two. Fuck it.

        From the S-19?
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 59
          +1
          Boris Yuryevich Alexandrov, who is "Rostagroexport".
  • credo
    credo 15 December 2020 15: 18
    +1
    To the author - What is the conclusion?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 15: 50
      +11
      Quote: credo
      To the author - What is the conclusion?

      And for the conclusion they will attract under the article "extremism".
      1. credo
        credo 15 December 2020 16: 18
        -3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: credo
        To the author - What is the conclusion?

        And for the conclusion they will attract under the article "extremism".

        I would advise the Author to send the article to the website of the President of the Russian Federation for an answer on 17.12.2020. So to speak - "To the heap."
        There, apparently, many questions have already accumulated on this topic, so his voice will not drown in the general mass and will not look like dissonance.
    2. Kart
      Kart 15 December 2020 15: 55
      -12%
      He does not write for withdrawal.
      Look, in the comments the whole gang is assembled, they are wailing in unison, each other is a plus.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 16: 08
        +6
        Quote: Carte
        Look, in the comments the whole gang is assembled, they are wailing in unison, each other is a plus.

        In essence, tell me something? And who do you mean "gang"?
      2. credo
        credo 15 December 2020 16: 26
        -7
        Quote: Carte
        He does not write for withdrawal.
        Look, in the comments the whole gang is assembled, they are wailing in unison, each other is a plus.

        And nevertheless, with all the negative things that take place in various spheres of life in our country, there are also positive aspects in the same healthcare at the present time, especially compared to the Yeltsin period of power.
        The author himself repeatedly reminds that it is not to break down, therefore, the renewal of health care is proceeding with such difficulty.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 December 2020 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: credo
          therefore, the renewal of health care is proceeding with such difficulty.

          Step forward and two back.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 15 December 2020 16: 02
      +10
      Quote: credo
      To the author - What is the conclusion?

      How - what?
      The current situation with covid has shown that optimized in the West and in Russian medicine can not cope with pandemic, but with this level of optimization even with an infectious outbreak.

      Our Russian medicine keeps pace with education, science and other industries and economics. With regard to ballet and other arts, degradation is also visible here with the naked eye with theatrical binoculars.
      By bringing the salaries of nurses to ridiculous (in terms of size) amounts, public health officials completely deprive people of high-quality and highly qualified care. And the absence in hospitals (beds) presupposes the appearance of “EMERGENCY REMOTE MEDICAL AID”.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 00
      +10
      Quote: credo
      What is the conclusion?

      The conclusion was made by the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation: optimization failed, modernization began laughing
  • Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 15 December 2020 15: 18
    +14
    The author wants medicine, like in the USSR, at least. So the USSR is needed for this. And the Soviet government, not liquidity from the deep state.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 15 December 2020 15: 23
    -14%
    Another paid article! negative negative negative
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 15: 32
      +9
      and what is wrong and what is not true? !!!
      is Russian medicine all right?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 December 2020 18: 56
        -17%
        Okay - we switch to a paid basis, where 50% will remain social, and the incentive to lead a healthy lifestyle for the entire population, and in the distant future, all doctors and surgeons will be replaced by robots with AI, unlike the current "workers" of the nurse, they will not make mistakes.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 10
          +10
          Vadik, you are a dreamer! laughing
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 19: 41
          0
          In the future, all doctors and surgeons will generally be replaced by robots with AI, unlike the current "workers" of the medical field, they will not make mistakes.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 49
      +12
      Who do you think paid for? Name these monsters, we want to know them at least approximately.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 15: 51
      +7
      Quote: El Dorado
      Another paid article!

      Do you live on TV?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 05
        +5
        Do you live on TV?
        .... both on the radio and on the internet .... laughing
  • Darkesstcat
    Darkesstcat 15 December 2020 15: 27
    0
    How can something that is not be defeated?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 December 2020 15: 31
      +7
      no, because it was defeated, but it was !!!
      1. Darkesstcat
        Darkesstcat 15 December 2020 15: 38
        +4
        This is a reference / humor. To the phrase "What is dead cannot die"
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 33
    +10
    I was always critical of the author's articles, but somehow I even agree with this article of the "team of authors", especially after today's visit to our district clinic. After two rounds of flu, the bony hands of this disease still reached me (it's good that in a mild form ), when the overwhelming majority fell ill at the enterprise, and not who began to fall ill for the second time. In line, according to the number written on the hand, yes, that's right, there were 48. In the queue stood from 8.30 to 13.00 quite a bit. Then I went to pharmacies. , look for an antibiotic, went around 4 no. One doctor worked at the reception. The rest are on calls. Tomorrow I will go to make a "flash drive", since the fluorogram works for us until 12.00. They said it was necessary. Standing in line, I listened to many eyewitnesses who had been ill very seriously. I can’t tell you everything, but this is a nightmare. Our regional hospital has not accepted the infected for a long time, people are no longer taken to the neighboring Slavyanskiy, they are taken to Krymskiy or Krasnodar. But and Krymsky already refuses to accept. It is useless to call an ambulance. You cannot call a doctor to the doctor's house, they are negligible. Of course, only our county town and county are so bad, in other counties of the region and regions of the country things are much better, there are enough of everything, doctors , medicines, hospital beds, equipment, etc.
    "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
    .. More precisely, not many people got it better, but the rest, as always.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 40
      +5
      In the queue, according to the number written on the hand, yes, yes, that's right, there was 48. I stood in line from 8.30 to 13.00 quite a bit.

      Yes ... not a lot ... during this time, even if you are healthy, you can grab so much ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 45
        +19
        Eeeee, as I understand this is a common thing with us. They told us yesterday, for example, the doctor received everyone, but worked until 18 o'clock .. One ... without lunch. So we rally around our nullified, a handful of oligarchs to defeat the damned Western imperialists who encroach on the North Sea Route and the Nord Stream .. laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 December 2020 15: 52
          +10
          Quote: parusnik
          Alone ... no lunch. So we rally around our nullified handful of oligarchs to defeat the damned Western imperialists who are encroaching on the North Sea Route and the Nord Stream ..

          Yes ... they sincerely surprise those who believe that the tsar is real .. And if he were such, then Golikov and all the reformers, would have checked the legality of income and sent the forest to fell for life .. But no, after all, they only accepted to increase .. but in fact, it would be real so anger and hatred should take possession of, in relation to the enemies of the people .. people are dying out .. and if this is not there, then he himself is.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 15 December 2020 15: 59
            +7
            And if he were such, then Golikov and all the reformers, he would have checked the legality of the income and sent him to cut the forest for life ..
            And he needs it? .. The main thing for them is to defeat the "theirs" imperialists .. Then they will heal better, they will even more ensure the security of what they have abroad.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 16: 11
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      It's useless to call an ambulance. You can't call a doctor to the house, they are negligible. Of course, things are so bad only in our county town and county,

      In our two, fellow countryman. I am from the Labinsk district. I believe that everything is fine in the rest of the region.))))))
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 16: 14
        +9
        Our districts stand apart .. Here is the only way .. And everywhere, just paradise ... and God forbid. laughing
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 15 December 2020 16: 59
      -2
      Crap, dear Alexey, everywhere is the same. In Penza, too, they do not put them in hospitals in the city, but they are taken to rural ones, and there ... the toilet bowls are not cleaned, one thermometer per ward, and the attitude is appropriate (see letters in social networks). The ambulance doctors dissuaded me !!! Good people, as I understand now ... But! "Then I went to pharmacies to look for an antibiotic, I walked around 4 no"
      Why walk when there is a network and a telephone?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 December 2020 17: 11
        +6
        We do not have Penza ... And then, you read the previous comments, and they are about the fact that there are only two such counties in the country, I will note in the country where I live and Labinsky, but everything is fine in the country, yes, this antibiotic It is issued only by prescription. Don't worry, there are many pharmacies, I will find it somewhere. About the phone, I do not have a list of pharmacies' phone numbers. For one simple reason, today she is here, tomorrow there. Even in the internet there is not reliable information. Yes, and we do not deal with the delivery of medicines as well as food. Here are such wild places that have not been touched by the hand. civilization. Our town is not big, you can get around on foot in 40 minutes.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 33
          +2
          Well, Alexey, all pharmacies must have addresses and phone numbers on the website of the administration of your village. Still ... the 21st century, even if there is a "hole". Get well soon! Drink vitamin C, preferably in an effervescent form, and vitamin D - the first two days, three drops, then one at a time, as well as azithromycin. From temperature paracetomol. He is better. But you can renikold. We were prescribed injections with cefriaxone, and only with the permission of a doctor, from day 10, dexamethasone -5 injections. But this was prescribed to us, I can advise you only vitamins.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 15 December 2020 17: 53
            +4
            You will explain to ours who owes what. And they will explain to you ... As for the village ... they said something offensive, if only because it was founded in 1556 as a fortress, in the 70s of the 1794th century, a military fortification, from 1842 to 1842 a place with 1860-1860 stanitsa in XNUMX by decree of Alexander I, the status of a city and a port was assigned, the grain flowed from it like a river, so that the Italians would make high quality pasta from it.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 15 December 2020 19: 45
              -1
              Well, the word "hole" was put in quotation marks ... You yourself wrote what you have there ... problems. Judging by their presence in my city ... also a "decent hole". It's just that someone bypasses these "holes", and someone does not for a number of reasons.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 16 December 2020 09: 46
              +2
              hi nothing, nothing, Alexey, now you will find out about 80% fool , as well as about 20%, which is a favorite topic, otherwise you do not know this, unfortunately. Then everything would be clear
              Quote: parusnik
              You will explain to ours who owes what. And they will explain to you ... As for the village ... they said something offensive, if only because it was founded in 1556 as a fortress, in the 70s of the 1794th century, a military fortification, from 1842 to 1842 a place with 1860-1860 stanitsa in XNUMX by decree of Alexander I, the status of a city and a port was assigned, the grain flowed from it like a river, so that the Italians would make high quality pasta from it.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        and there ... the toilets are not cleaned

        So clean it yourself. Or does faith not allow?
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 15 December 2020 19: 44
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          So clean it yourself. Or does faith not allow?

          In the hospital, does the patient have to clean the toilet in the ward? Are you completely crazy already?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 19: 48
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            In the hospital, does the patient have to clean the toilet in the ward? Are you completely crazy already?

            No. Volunteer. Or do you not mind the technicians who clean these toilets for 12 thousand?
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 15 December 2020 19: 59
              -8
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Or do you not mind the technicians who clean these toilets for 12 thousand?

              No, it's not a pity! By intelligence and work. You will also invite me to volunteer to rake out the cows ... By the way, did you try to write here on VO? So what? After 4 articles, the mind got stuck, right? Maybe it's better for you to go wash the toilets if you can't work your head well?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 20: 26
                +9
                Quote: kalibr
                your mind is jammed, isn't it?

                Didn't jam. Stupid once.
                Quote: kalibr
                Maybe you'd better go wash the toilets,

                Toilet bowls - no. But when I was in the hospital with my mother a year ago, I regretted that I had not taken tools and consumables with me. It was disgusting to look at the bedside tables, whose doors are held on one hinge.
                Quote: kalibr
                Are you unable to work well with your head?

                I'm used to working with my hands, Shpakovsky, and not wagging my tongue. And about the articles, I wrote them where they paid for them. Now I work with my hands.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 16 December 2020 07: 35
                  -4
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I'm used to working with my hands, Shpakovsky, and not wagging my tongue.

                  No, it's not for nothing that I wrote at one time that you are round ... here it is, it was confirmed. Any smart person understands that before working with your hands, you need to work your head well. Also when you flutter your tongue. If you just "bang", no one will listen to you and pay for banging too. Well, and you understand, “it’s impossible to use your tongue.” You have to think in the same place, and you are clearly from the breed of people, “and I also eat there”.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 December 2020 17: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: kalibr
                    No, it's not for nothing that I wrote at one time that you are round ... here it is, it was confirmed.

                    And where did I write that I do not work with my head? Personally, you have confirmed that you are juggling in your favor, "comrade" political officer.
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 16 December 2020 17: 59
                      -2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And where did I write that I do not work with my head?

                      And you did not write that you are working! And by the way, this can be seen from the comments. But don't be discouraged. You are not the only one here! There are many of those. Take comfort in the fact that the whole world is on these!
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 16 December 2020 09: 57
              +6
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: kalibr
              In the hospital, does the patient have to clean the toilet in the ward? Are you completely crazy already?

              No. Volunteer. Or do you not mind the technicians who clean these toilets for 12 thousand?
              I know, Vladimir, that many visitors clean the ward, where their seriously ill patient is lying, and also help those who are sick and to whom no one comes. My mother did the same when I was in surgery at the turn of the century. brought apples and cigarettes. And you will also be informed about the Pareto negative
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 16 December 2020 18: 00
                -1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And she brought them cigarettes

                Travila, then well done!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 16 December 2020 18: 10
                  +1
                  They will be discharged from surgery after operations ---- let them fight their harmful am am habits. There is no need for adults to shake their nerves after the operation with education. And about apples-vitamins could not laughing wassat lol tongue read?
                  And they also got drunk there wassat from pain. And the staff didn't scold. Every day after dressing, everything is prepared in advance
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 16 December 2020 18: 16
                    0
                    Dima, I read about apples. But do not think that I condemn the offering of cigarettes .. On the contrary, I am only glad ... But, you, I see more and more switching to pictography, why is this so?
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 16 December 2020 18: 29
                      +1
                      And now I'm reading about the writing and language of Ancient Egypt
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 18 December 2020 11: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And now I'm reading about the writing and language of Ancient Egypt

                        This I am always in favor. But read at the same time about the letter of Easter Island, no less interesting.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 18 December 2020 12: 52
                        +1
                        And I already worried in advance, I thought about how to please whom, and read a book by Pavel Rubtsov on the topic KOHAU-RONGO-RONGO, as well as one of the many books by Heyerdahl on this topic. It says that the Rapanui, it turns out, were trained and raised by the Peruvian Indians! Which, in principle, created this writing. Only in Peru itself this writing was destroyed during the "persecution of the letter", long before the Conquest.
                        In general, Easter Island is one of my favorite topics. The Rapanui people are very different in culture and religion from other Polynesians, and the geographical position of the island speaks volumes.
                        I read about Easter Island by many different authors: Sklyarov, Zhukov, Kondratov, and Miloslav Stingle touched upon this topic a little.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 December 2020 15: 41
    +7
    I will say something else, although I agree with the author 100%. There was no such psychic attack on the population. Many remember the diphtheria vaccinations. So what? Was there a noise on the TV? And they didn't even show the sick. And at every place of work, these vaccinations were given in a calm atmosphere. The fact that medicine is destroyed, do not go to the doctor here. This can be seen with the naked eye.
  • BAI
    BAI 15 December 2020 15: 45
    +4
    project program to eliminate the "excess" population

    Don't look for conspiracies here. Everything as usual. Idle hospital beds are a waste. With chronic underfunding of medicine. And if all diseases go smoothly, infectious - in waves, they either exist or they are not. Therefore, it was necessary to correctly determine the number of beds and infectious disease doctors. It is impossible to maintain an army in peacetime according to military states. We need to cut it somehow. Reduced. It turned out as always - through the place where the negro is very dark. The unforeseen infection was combined with the incompetence of medical officials and the political (unforeseen) excitement around Covid. That's all. The West has absolutely nothing to do with it. From the word "absolutely".
    1. Poganini
      Poganini 15 December 2020 16: 19
      -8
      Almost a hundred comments - the first in substance and reasonable.)
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 00
      -3
      Quote: BAI
      You cannot keep an army in peacetime according to military states. We must somehow reduce.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 18
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      You can not keep an army in peacetime by military states

      It seems to be correct, but there is a catch - an epidemic has begun, and the number of infectious disease specialists sufficient for a normal rhythm is sorely lacking. Where to get them, because a doctor is not an orderly, you cannot learn it in a week.
      Doctors and beds are like a nuclear deterrent force. Like firefighters. They are needed and cannot be cut for commercial reasons.
      1. Salty
        Salty 15 December 2020 19: 34
        -11%
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Where to get them, because a doctor is not a nurse, you can't learn it in a week

        Doctors are taught (at the beginning of training) - to all... That's how it is with us, at least. And it works.

        No need to argue, buddy, I'm just from the hospital ... at the reception you get into quarantine, they keep you there until the tests come ... the whole ward (there are five in the ward).

        If everyone is OK, go to the specialized departments. If one (out of five) is not OK - this is in the isolator, the rest - a retest laughing

        And so on until you turn blue.

        The system works, and it works fine. Sleep well yes
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 40
          +4
          Quote: SaltY
          The system works, and it works fine.

          This is not the norm. I don’t know how it’s in the Moscow region, in the regions the situevina is much worse. The test results are waiting at home.
          It is not realistic to receive medical assistance on a different profile now.
          1. Salty
            Salty 15 December 2020 19: 43
            -6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Test results are waiting at home

            My friend, I'm talking about people who are (by default) hospitalized. To the hospital, yes. Whether with a heart, with a stomach ... others - yes, at home ..

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            This is not the norm

            It is better. This is the circuit that works.

            You can't catch up, however. And you don't need it. Stroybat stock wassat
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 December 2020 19: 46
              +3
              Quote: SaltY
              It is better. This is the circuit that works.

              I wish you personally grab this "better". negative For me, the norm is different.
  • apro
    apro 15 December 2020 15: 53
    +4
    What does it mean, defeated? It is simply transferred from aid to the provision of services. In a capitalistic society, services are only for money. And this increases the competitiveness of the population. If there is money, then health problems are solved.
    Everyone wanted to make good money. Why are medical workers worse? Now they are given the opportunity to do this through a network of paid medical centers. It's nothing personal, this is a business.
    Why did the population decide that someone would take care of their health just like that? People wanted capitalism and they got it. Why be offended? The market has regulated everything. Who is competitive and who is not ...
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 03
      -7
      Quote: apro
      the people wanted capitalism and they got it. Why be offended?

      Here, Oleg, I personally completely agree with you. How much he painted for our citizens the horrors of capitalism and how he painted, he was already afraid. But I knew to myself that I would survive and do well in any "change". But others should have thought about themselves soberly, and not hope for a Russian maybe!
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 December 2020 20: 45
        -1
        I will survive and not bad at any "change"
        There is such a profession, mainly for women. It is in demand in any social order. laughing
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 16 December 2020 07: 36
          -4
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          There is such a profession, mainly for women. In demand in any social order

          And then there is a more masculine profession - to lead donkeys in human form, which is also in great demand.
  • Million
    Million 15 December 2020 15: 56
    +11
    Putin, as always, has nothing to do with it ...
  • orcinus
    orcinus 15 December 2020 16: 01
    +4
    The beginning and the middle of the article are even nothing, towards the end "Ostap suffered." I agree that the Soviet healthcare system was perhaps the best in the world at one time. But this system is for the socialist system. Such a system cannot exist now, when there is only capitalism around.
  • demo
    demo 15 December 2020 16: 02
    +12
    If we abstract from the global (and the article is talking about the global), we can go to the small, i.e. to the fact that you do not know from statistical data, but you have an idea, so to speak, personal.
    On the night from 05.11.2020/06.11.2020/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX I got to the operating table.
    Diagnosis - acute gangrenous appendicitis. Purulent peritonitis. And a few more additional difficult terms in the diagnosis.
    Two days in observation (resuscitation, thank God, was not required).
    On the second day, the nurse gave my name.
    I raised my hand (lying in bed).
    Get ready, he says.
    To be honest, I was stunned.
    Well, they said to get ready, so we have to get ready.
    He sat down. Collected things in bags. Hoses and catheters protrude from the body.
    I got dressed.
    Are you ready?
    I say ready.
    Well then, stomp into the second surgical.
    Not on a gurney, not on a wheelchair. Legs.
    Well, I'm a relatively courageous person. Trampled.
    In the department they took me to the ward.
    The size of the room is 2.5 by 4 meters. Five beds.
    Those. in a room of 10 sq.m. five men, three of whom are recumbent. In diapers.
    Is it clear what kind of amber in the room?
    Two days in the department became just hell.
    Moans, stench, lack of any attention from the medical staff - this is the least. what can you write.
    On the fourth day of my stay, I went to the "attending physician" and announced that I wanted to be discharged.
    The doctor looked at me in surprise and asked the reason.
    I asked her: is it true for you, but for a long time, or briefly, but a lie?
    I wanted the truth.
    Well, I gave her everything I think and gave out.
    At the end I say.
    For 4 days, no one even measured my temperature. They didn’t take any blood from me. Nothing else.
    She justifies herself: tests are taken before registration.
    I ask her: what if the tests show that my recovery has not come?
    Then, he says, you will receive additional treatment on an outpatient basis, in your clinic.
    What is it like?
    Why the hell is this treatment?
    It is necessary to write separately about the district clinic and the surgeon.

    The attitude of doctors to the sick is the attitude of the boyars to the cattle.
    First of all, we have optimized the thinking of doctors.

    And one cannot fail to mention who is responsible for all this - Putin and the United Russia party.
    This rout took place under their strict guidance.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 December 2020 16: 17
    +6
    The problems are not with Russian healthcare, but with the Russian people.
    (A problem is a problem that has no solution under the given conditions).
    1. apro
      apro 15 December 2020 16: 34
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      The problems are not with Russian healthcare, but with the Russian people.
      (A problem is a problem that has no solution under the given conditions).

      I think I disagree ... the Russian people themselves supported the transition to the system of capitalistic relations, which are closest to them, due to the fact that they reflect their interests to the full extent, the possibility of unlimited consumption, the ability to conduct commodity-money transactions, the ability to lead a parasitic lifestyle, the ability to have and transfer property by inheritance.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 December 2020 17: 00
        +7
        Quote: apro
        the Russian people themselves supported the transition to the system of capitalistic relations

        Colleague, as usual, the speaking heads of the Russian people were lit up. Do you really think that someone from the people, knowing what will happen, would support all this? They promised something completely different. If you remember, Yeltsin got out as a fighter with party privileges, he went on a bus with the people. And this hour they are driving over the ears of the people. And the boobies and ears hung. Everything is as usual, nothing changes.
        1. apro
          apro 15 December 2020 18: 34
          +1
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Colleague, lit up, as usual,

          They themselves wanted to get a divorce. The Soviet government did not allow them to show their animal essence, but capitalism welcomes this.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 07
        -1
        Quote: apro
        The Russian people themselves supported the transition to the system of capitalistic relations, which are closest to them, due to the fact that they fully reflect their interests, the possibility of unlimited consumption, the ability to lead a parasitic lifestyle, the ability to have and inherit property.

        And people should be given the opportunity to sip to the fullest! Through ... drive the mind, if it does not work through the eyes and ears!
      3. iouris
        iouris 15 December 2020 21: 50
        0
        Quote: apro
        the Russian people themselves supported the transition to the system of capitalistic relations, which are closest to them.

        Not a single nation is asked. He is led to the goal.
        Capitalism died long ago, so the Russian people will not fall into "capitalist (by the way, you have a mistake in this word) relations", but into slavery through feudalism.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 15 December 2020 17: 05
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      The problems are not with Russian healthcare, but with the Russian people.
      (A problem is a problem that has no solution under the given conditions).

      ++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 15 December 2020 16: 36
    +8
    Well, it's all the officials are to blame, and the Chief of the country seems to have nothing to do with it, eh?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 December 2020 16: 44
    +9
    As a physician, I have to state: there is no health care. Defeat at all stages: no hospitals with beds, no doctors, no medical education. A systemic blow has been inflicted, can you recover from this? ”“ I don't know. Islets of more or less decent medicine have been preserved, and in general, seams. The trouble is that people jumped out. Walls can be built, but it is very difficult to train a specialist. And there are no decent teachers. And now medicine is taught remotely. Can you teach a surgeon or a gynecologist, or a traumatologist?
    It remains to make everyone good health and not get sick
    1. Kvazar
      Kvazar 15 December 2020 20: 48
      0
      Forgive the "medic" from which country and where do you work and by whom? +)
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2020 20: 51
        +5
        Quote: Kvazar
        from what country

        From country Moscow laughing
        Quote: Kvazar
        where do you work and by whom? +

        With our ordinary Russian people
        1. Kvazar
          Kvazar 18 December 2020 18: 46
          0
          And why do you dislike medical care in MSC?
  • Baloo
    Baloo 15 December 2020 16: 47
    +5
    Quote: Bearded
    That's not news. This is a statement of fact. I was especially surprised by the optimization of medical laboratories exactly a year ago. In China, a pandemic has begun, and Golikov's medical laboratories are laid off and health workers are kicked out into the street.

    Extrusion into the commercial sector. The second side for lovers of conspiracy: the possible collection of genetic material for sworn partners. Shouldn't the Pentagon contain 400 biolaboratories around the world?
    The weakest point is grooming and care in intensive care.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 15 December 2020 16: 57
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    For a long time already I have been trying not to be treated for free and ... it turns out great. All the necessary tests, examination and appointments in an hour. I had to get acquainted with free medicine ... I caught the virus with my wife. We went to the polyclinic early in the morning ... The doctor diagnosed pneumonia there, prescribed medication - drink, take injections. She said about CT, but this is the turn ... I didn't like it. We went to a paid clinic, sat in line for an hour, did an X-ray ... We sent the results to the doctor via the Internet. She coordinated the treatment. There were no medicines in nearby pharmacies. But on the Internet I found out where it was, took a taxi and bought it. As a result, we got better. Yes, it was hard, but .. I would not say that everything was so terrible. If everything is done on time, then no problem.

    In our country, for example, a health insurance fund costs about 100 shekels per month, about $ 30 (100 * 23 rubles or 30 * 75 rubles). For this money, you will not be allowed to die of oncology, cardiovascular, infectious diseases ... But, there are 10 of these "buts", and all a plus, if you want to live up to 90, you can put it out.
    Here all sorts of questions arise, because you need to receive at least $ 2000 a month to receive treatment.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 15 December 2020 17: 01
    +8
    Quote: Darkesstcat
    How can something that is not be defeated?

    But it was!
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 December 2020 17: 30
    +3
    Money for that, give money for this, and who will give money to the population, so that this and that can be paid for. Well, with the new boyars, it is understandable, how they completely optimize and then dump them at the places of registration, and only scrap metal collectors from Central Asia will remain in the country.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 15 December 2020 18: 45
    -3
    Russia is striving for paid medicine 50-50 paid and social under the compulsory medical insurance policy - those who have money will go to paid ones, those who have no money in the state. And in order not to go in the wrong place, lead a healthy lifestyle - time and money will be saved. Your health is in your hands.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 20: 15
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      And in order not to go to the wrong place, lead a healthy lifestyle

      Yeah, yesterday there was one guy explaining that eating eggs is harmful, bread too, you have to switch from oil to spray ... He wrote such garbage that I was a little addicted. Should I eat carrots alone? And no matter how you lead a healthy lifestyle, sores will still appear. In 10 years you yourself will understand.
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan 15 December 2020 20: 34
        -1
        Eggs, bread and quality medicine at your own expense. yes
  • Shahno
    Shahno 15 December 2020 18: 53
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia is striving for paid medicine 50-50 paid and social under the compulsory medical insurance policy - those who have money will go to paid ones, those who have no money in the state. And in order not to go in the wrong place, lead a healthy lifestyle - time and money will be saved. Your health is in your hands.

    Paid medicine is good with an average salary of $ 2000 (relevant for 2020).
  • Shahno
    Shahno 15 December 2020 18: 55
    +3
    Quote: Shahno
    Quote: Vadim237
    Russia is striving for paid medicine 50-50 paid and social under the compulsory medical insurance policy - those who have money will go to paid ones, those who have no money in the state. And in order not to go in the wrong place, lead a healthy lifestyle - time and money will be saved. Your health is in your hands.

    Paid medicine is good with an average salary of $ 2000 (relevant for 2020).

    I will report to you this is very problematic. For the average Russian in the current environment.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 15 December 2020 19: 17
    -6
    I didn't even read the article plainly - it was ordered by all-polymers to once again turn the forum of a military-political (patriotic?) Site into a place for holivar and flood. Not attracted to either a feuilleton or a serious study.
    Hence the question: "Whose mill is the water pouring into, literally and figuratively, the author?"
  • Alexander Karelsky
    Alexander Karelsky 15 December 2020 19: 49
    0
    All the devastation of important spheres of life in Russia has one and the same reason - the bet on "economic efficiency" - but in reality the substitution of a goal for its digital expression is profit. Hence the leadership of the most important spheres of life by economists and financiers. Where would Russia be if the great battles, construction projects, projects in the USSR were led by economists and financiers. The task of an economist, financier is to calculate what forces and means are needed to achieve the task set by a politician, general, chief physician, scientific director, artistic director ... This is an auxiliary activity, a good economist, a financier will indicate the least costly way to achieve the goal. At the same time, an economist, a financier cannot have any influence on goal setting, personnel policy. The field of activity of an economist, a financier is dead matter, a figure.
    As long as "effective managers" are at the head of the management of Russia, as long as the criterion of success is profit, catastrophes in Russia are inevitable.
    Even in the United States, President Trump has tried to free the country from stifling financial capital.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 December 2020 19: 56
    +4
    what can you expect from a gang of narcissistic dumbass
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich S
    Vladimir Vladimirovich S 15 December 2020 21: 39
    -1
    The collapse of domestic Medicine began during the reign of "Tagged", then just a "snowball" ... negative
  • orcinus
    orcinus 15 December 2020 22: 42
    +2
    After reading almost all the comments, I understand people as ordinary people. I myself am a doctor and I agree that, as several people here described their own experiences, there is an outright "hell" - here it is foolish to deny. But! We have, at the moment, capitalism in its pure manifestation, therefore in such a system there is no place not just for the formula "50/50 paid / free", but there is only a variant of paid / insurance medicine. Read to the end before minus 10 with your fingers. In Soviet times, the task was simply not to let the ordinary Soviet person die (but not die!) Even in the most remote part of the country, therefore, an established system of qualified assistance was built with a few specialized clinics in the capital. In the same Europe, no one can afford to keep a hospital (like our CRH) in a city with a district capacity of 15-20 thousand. They bet on enlargement and the creation of the so-called. "interdistrict" specialized centers. Therefore, for example, in a German city with a population of 150-200 thousand, organ and tissue transplants can be safely done. We decided to take "their" successes, but they did not take into account the distance of the Motherland and the so poorly developed infrastructure of small towns that a medical worker can only be driven there by a tied man and his passport taken away - there are no other ways to leave him to work there with optimism. Again, a doctor, leaving work, where most of you want from him "socialism and fanaticism with a human face," ends up on the street, where, starting with a shop and shoe repair, ending with a service station, everyone has long been living in capitalism. Summary: Soviet health care, like education, was good for that time - now we have what we have. Oh, and about polyclinics: in the West there are no "classical" polyclinics at all, there are private consulting rooms (in Germany, for example, my mother paid 20 euros for 400 minutes of consultation), there are paid consultations with all doctors - this is, in most cases, the organization of the provision outpatient care. The clinic, I must admit, is again an "echo" of the Soviet system. Then someone complained about 4 or 5 hours in line ... My mother in Switzerland, hitting her head while skiing, sat in the waiting room of the clinic for 17 hours. As she was told: "There is no coma and life-threatening bleeding, so wait, Frau." Again, for comparison: an acquaintance (a citizen of Germany) of my mother fell on the train, in Germany, hit his head - at the nearest station he was picked up by an ambulance, taken to the hospital, where an ECG was taken, an X-ray of the skull was taken, examined by a neurologist, he lay for 3 days, having received 3 droppers emoxipin, came the bill from the insurance - 3700 euros.
    1. Nazar
      Nazar 16 December 2020 08: 43
      -2
      orcinus - you wrote - a quote: "in the same Germany my mother paid 20 euros for 400 minutes of consultation" - is the toad pressing you? Do you really want to take from us the same money as your colleagues in Germany? Why not, capitalism is .... And nobody wants to pay us the same pensions, benefits and salaries as in Germany?
      There is also a quote: "the task was simply not to let the ordinary Soviet person die (but not die!) Even in the most remote part of the country" - now such a task is not posed, that is, ordinary people, especially in distant places, should simply rest as unnecessary, which, in fact, is happening and on an increasing basis from year to year.
      Taxes are not reduced, on the contrary, they are regularly increased (VAT, excise taxes, etc.), and medicine is paid. That is, from the beginning they take taxes from a person, well, of course - this is for teachers and doctors ... and then, oops, and medicine and education are now paid. Two times to pay for the same thing - you think for a long time this country will it last?
      1. orcinus
        orcinus 16 December 2020 11: 22
        0
        What does the toad have to do with it?))) A doctor should receive more than any other state employee in the country, more than any small entrepreneur. Money for salary must also be taken from somewhere. I already wrote twice, this is capitalism. Why doctors should "wait and understand" until a certain average level is reached. They charged me exactly the same amount for tire fitting in a shabby garage on the outskirts of the city as I did two years ago for such a job on the border with Germany, where they offered coffee in a clean "waiting room". Those. the "boys" from the tire service have already started capitalism, and they do not ask the question about their prices, etc. And what does it mean "to take money from us"?) You don’t turn the nut to me. In the entire civilized world, medicine is the most expensive sector of the service sector - here I admit that it is a service sector. And about distant points, I also, it seems, clearly explained - to keep the Central District Hospital in a subsidized remote area with a population of 25-30 thousand - from the point of view of the subsidized hole, it is just a "bottom". Under socialism, no one considered it.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 15 December 2020 23: 19
    0
    In the West, since the 1960s and 1970s, at the elite level, they have been talking about the need to stop the growth of the world's population and even reduce it.
    The population really needs to be reduced in those places where the available land is not able to accommodate and feed its population. Africa, Latin America, Asia - in that order. In these regions it is necessary to supply not food and medicines, but first of all contraceptives, and punish for not using them up to castration. Issue quotas for the number of children, and allow trade in these quotas, so that a rich man who has the means to raise children can have 3-4-5 children, and a poor man who sells a quota will be fed for several months. Well, either drunk or stoned.
    And also to supply weapons and ammunition to everyone who wants it without restrictions, because wars are the most reliable means of reducing the population, primarily male in virile age. Naturally, supply adjusted for the level of these countries, i.e. no high technology. Their level is AKM, RPG-7, well, the maximum is T-55.
    Because otherwise, the surplus population inevitably spills out into prosperous civilized countries. Contrary to the expectations of liberals, the newcomers are not civilized and domesticated, but make the countries they enter less prosperous and civilized.
    Ostensibly in order to solve the problem of the impending lack of resources. And to prevent an ecological disaster.
    It is for this. And also to prevent the sliding of the countries of the first world into the third. But this is exactly what will happen if the mass of visitors from the third world exceeds the threshold level.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 16 December 2020 06: 51
      +1
      The reason for modern "bad" migration in 80% of cases is war, and in its absence, the local population feeds itself well on the spot and even exports agricultural products. But at the same time, for example, in the 1950s, they went to Europe from the former colonies to work and not to social services, since there was no social sphere at that time.
      On the contrary, it is necessary, in the third world countries, to restrict precisely the supply of massive land weapons, without limiting, for example, MANPADS, air defense systems, ATGMs, fighters, naval weapons necessary to protect local statehood. To take into account the criteria of the influence of certain types of weapons on the potential of migration, which is generally not difficult to take into account in export legislation. Then there will be no such massive irregular formations provoking extreme migration, and only few real labor migrants and people who have decided to join another society will remain in the migration flows.
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 15 December 2020 23: 57
    0
    With these reformers, without the NKVD and SMERSH, you can't get out.
  • Valery Kolesov
    Valery Kolesov 16 December 2020 07: 41
    -2
    I read and spit. The provocateur wrote the article. I will say that it is written correctly. There is a lot of truth, but a lot of lies. Such articles are usually written by provocateurs.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 16 December 2020 07: 51
    -2
    ***

    Merciful Lord and True Physician, give reason and strength to all those who work You and those who serve Your suffering people!

    Give strength even now to all who work for the healing of the sick, strengthen the hands of those who heal, enlighten their hearts with the light of faith and love!

    Protect them, by Thy mercy, for the sake of our common prayers, from illness and confusion, from cowardice and fear!

    Lord, Who Suffered Blood for all of us, protect them by the power of Thy Cross, teach us all Thy mercy and send Thy peace into our souls,

    let us sing Thy Holy Name: Father and Son and Holy Spirit ...

    ***
  • Aleksandr Suvorov
    Aleksandr Suvorov 16 December 2020 07: 58
    +3
    Madame Arbidol will receive a medal
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 16 December 2020 09: 03
    +2
    the key word is imitation ... what does this power have to do with it, in everything, imitation of freedom, conscience, the judiciary, equality, social security, minimum wages, the pension system and, in general, care for people ... everything is a complete imitation ... to the point of the whole article, five points
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 16 December 2020 09: 48
    +1
    most of the junior medical personnel were transferred to support personnel with the same functions. yes .. they cut it on paper, in fact no. How many of the reduced doctors and average nurses have been reduced due to old age, etc.? Yes, there were reductions ... but not 100% due to optimizations, there are also objective reasons. otherwise I agree, the desire to reduce spending with predictable consequences. How is collective immunity undermined by the appearance of only one sore? Well, definitely not from the disease itself, but from professional journalists covering this situation. We must thank them. And in terms of organization, there is more likely to be a complete incompetence of the local authorities, which has been seen for a very long time. I don’t think whether the population will draw conclusions for the next elections. Few epidemiologists ... well, yes, very few people go there, because it is not interesting for students to study infectious diseases. Well, about antibiotics and antivirals ... and this is the problem of doctors and pharmacies. Any doctor knows the indications for their appointment, but 99% do not follow them. The question is why? about pharmacies is clear.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 16 December 2020 11: 00
    +1
    Yes, horror. I remember in the USSR even in our village there was a paramedic station with a paramedic.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2020 13: 08
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Svarog
    Russia is being turned into a country of fools

    I'm afraid that the future tense is no longer appropriate here

    I mean - has the event already taken place? sad hi
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2020 13: 13
    +2
    Quote: From Tomsk
    It is a pity that Putin does not know about this, he would put things in order)))

    good good good Respect! hi
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 December 2020 13: 15
    +3
    Quote: Valery Kolesov
    I read and spit. The provocateur wrote the article. I will say that it is written correctly. There is a lot of truth, but a lot of lies. Such articles are usually written by provocateurs.

    Such comments are usually written by ... putriots! hi
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 16 December 2020 13: 52
    0
    Golikov just needs to be shot
  • Maxim Aranson
    Maxim Aranson 16 December 2020 14: 42
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    Did you just notice? Our medicine was destroyed a long time ago by the efforts of "perestroika". The current "optimizers" only finish off what their predecessors did not break.
  • Tatiana Yu.
    Tatiana Yu. 16 December 2020 18: 01
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    This petty article has already been posted in all social networks, and not everyone notices that the picture was taken in Vitebsk. Bloggers from Belarus Lukashenko turned out to be too tough, so they fool us here. Somehow we ourselves will sort out our medicine without instigators who feed themselves from the hands of Lithuania and Poland and are not even needed by their country.
    1. Yuri Shalnov
      Yuri Shalnov 16 December 2020 18: 11
      +1
      You will figure it out! Better to cook the cabbage soup and don't go where you don't understand shit ...
  • Yuri Shalnov
    Yuri Shalnov 16 December 2020 18: 09
    +1
    Not only health care has been destroyed, but all other spheres of life!
  • Berserc
    Berserc 16 December 2020 18: 42
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    On the one hand, it is true.
    On the other hand, the promotion of higher education led to the fact that all who could not become an engineer went to pedagogical and medical enrollment.
    Do these doctors need to be employed somewhere?
    And the health care budget is one.
    A hospital was built in 500 meters.
    There was no equipment in the hospitals, no repairs in the buildings, no medicines. Remember?
    And the salaries of medical workers are low because they had to be divided equally among all.
    And there were probably epidemics in Russia every year?
    For 70 years, if not 90, there was nothing, separate outbreaks are zonal.
    Who knew there would be a pandemic?
    We just went the simplest way.
    Shorten !!!
    It's the same with the army. In peacetime, it was believed that there were many military men and a lot of equipment.
    And there are many military doctors. Who knew that they would have to fight?
    And how Chechnya began and Georgia - it turned out that there was no one to fight and nothing on.
    And civilian doctors do not go under fire to carry out operations and take out the wounded from the battlefield.
    So that at the moment they are trying to fix both the situation there and there.
    1. orcinus
      orcinus 16 December 2020 19: 16
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      For reference: it is more difficult to enter honey and study in other specialties. Putting doctors on the same level with the pedom is below the plinth. And under the "shelling" no one has ever operated and does not operate, you do not know, it is not worth commenting on.
      1. Berserc
        Berserc 16 December 2020 19: 36
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        Field hospitals are called - such medical institutions in zones of armed conflict. And about the ped. and honey. all and sundry went. There were a lot of them and it was easier to enter. Moreover, knowledge from the school of exact sciences was not required.
        1. orcinus
          orcinus 16 December 2020 20: 28
          +1
          What is a field hospital, what is the stage and the type of assistance, I myself can lecture you and read more than one - it is clear immediately, you are not from this field of activity, but about the fact that "who is not lazy ... and it is easier to do ... "Well, what do you expect from them" world-class "after such an attitude to doctors? I would like to know your specialty
  • anten
    anten 16 December 2020 21: 46
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    The author writes about what any grandmother or any grandfather knows.
    He, of course, is afraid to say bluntly, to name the names of those helmsmen of our unfortunate Motherland, who brought the country to the handle not only in providing medical assistance to the people, but in all spheres of the country's life. This is all done by order and commands from Washington, where the alcoholic Yeltsin delivered his rebuke to Russia in the US Congress, and Judas and the werewolf Gorbachev paved the way for the defeat of the USSR. Starting with Khrushchev, the country rolled downhill to the feet of Gorby, Thatcher's friend. But there was an opportunity to rebuild the USSR by changing the guidelines and structure of governing the country. Gorbachev pursued his own selfish interests, as did Yeltsin. Today our people have fallen into the hands of greedy, cynical former members of the CPSU and the VLSM like chickens. There is no end or end to this time, and there will not be until that force appears that will sweep this mold from the face of our Motherland.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 18 December 2020 11: 10
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      Quote: anten
      until that power appears

      Ay, strength, where are you? I went to sleep! Tired of ... getting dirty!
  • obratov
    obratov 16 December 2020 22: 30
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    An article from the series: "Make me beautiful" ?!
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 17 December 2020 08: 35
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    Yesterday I wrote my opinion about an article about a quadruple launch from a nuclear submarine, and I said that, coupled with directive price regulation, this gives a vivid example of the effectiveness of our economy Minuses they put a cart and a full cart on me It is necessary that at least one of the minusers fully sipped the delights of our current health care