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And a month after the Azerbaijani strike from MANPADS on the Mi-24 about the progress of the investigation - silence

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The perpetrators of the death of the pilots of the Russian Mi-24 helicopter shot down over Armenia should have long been found, arrested and interrogated, and then brought to justice. After all, exactly a month has passed since their death, and the investigation has not advanced a single step.


Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev apologized, and immediately. It's good. But this certainly does not relieve Baku of responsibility and obligation to conduct an investigation. After all, the perpetrators of the incident committed a crime and are obliged to answer for it. Moreover, initially in Baku itself, they promised that an investigation would be carried out and all those responsible for the strike on the Russian helicopter would be punished under criminal articles.

Today it became known that Azerbaijan was banned from importing tomatoes and apples into Russia. They found a moth and a tomato moth ... It is unlikely that this is due to Azerbaijan's delay in the results of the investigation.

So how much longer can we expect the names of specific culprits from Baku? Nine months, as in the case of Turkish pilots who shot down a Russian Su-24? And if they had not been involved in the preparation of the putsch against Erdogan, they probably would have avoided responsibility altogether.

It should be reminded that in one of his interviews, the Azerbaijani ambassador to Russia said that, they say, "war is like war." I would like to count on the fact that Baku is not guided by this thesis and is not going to put the brakes on the investigation of a strike from MANPADS on a Russian military helicopter.

Today, according to the Armenian portal Verelq, a memorial plaque was erected at the site of the death of Russian pilots in Armenia, timed to coincide with the Day of Heroes of the Fatherland. Its official opening will take place on December 12, on the Day of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. In the future, a monument to the fallen Russian servicemen is planned to be erected in this place.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 9 December 2020 18: 18
    +3
    I believe they were Turkish special forces. The power of ALIEV does not extend to them.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 9 December 2020 18: 28
      +52
      ... Azerbaijan was banned from importing tomatoes into Russia

      History repeats itself. And it looks like this time, too, will get off with tomatoes.
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      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 9 December 2020 18: 40
        +36
        I would not like to think, but it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime! Politics is a dirty business, and often petty ambitions and interests are more valuable than Russia's authority. ..
        1. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 9 December 2020 18: 46
          +8
          So it was, so it will be
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 9 December 2020 19: 02
          -14%
          I would not like to think, but it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime! Politics is a dirty business, and often petty ambitions and interests are more valuable than Russia's authority. ..

          Baron Rothschild, now deceased, once said that he worked well and closely with the Russian leadership, knew and knew how to find an approach to everyone. But VVP refused him with the words: "... I'm not interested in this - I love my Motherland."
          I am sure that those responsible for the shooting down of the helicopter will be found.
          The fact that those who killed the pilot in Syria were identified by name only strengthens my confidence. yes
          Today it became known that Azerbaijan was banned from importing tomatoes and apples into Russia. They found a moth and a tomato moth ... It is unlikely that this is due to Azerbaijan's delay in the results of the investigation.

          100% connected. And half of the tomatoes and apples from Azerbaijan are Turkish.
          No expertise can distinguish Azerbaijani from Turkish.
          So hello hot everyone. bully
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 24
            -7
            Quote: Alex777
            Baron Rothschild,

            This is when they were barons? laughing
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 9 December 2020 19: 25
              +4
              Baron Rothschild of Tringa in Hertfordshire is a hereditary title in the Peerage system of the United Kingdom. It was created on June 29, 1885 for Sir Nathan Rothstld, 2nd Baronet (1840-1915), a member of the Rothschild banking family. He was the first person to practice Judaism to become a British peer (Benjamin Disraeli, although born into a Jewish family, was a member of the Anglican Church).

              laughing
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 26
                -4
                Buy doesn't mean to be. wink
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 9 December 2020 19: 30
                  +1
                  Buy doesn't mean to be.

                  Sophistry is not interesting to me. wink
                  The king gave the title of baron - became a baron.
                  The 1st Baronet Rothschild was succeeded in 1876 by his nephew, the aforementioned Sir Nathan Rothschild (1840-1915), who was elevated to the peerage in 1885. He was succeeded in 1915 by his eldest son, Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild (1868-1937). He was a banker and politician with a keen interest in zoology. He died without leaving any offspring. In 1937, the title was inherited by his nephew, Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild (1910-1990), the only son of the Honorable Charles Rothschild (1877-1923).

                  As of 2015, the title holder is his eldest son, Nathaniel Charles Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild (born 1936), who succeeded his father in 1990.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 34
                    -11%
                    Quote: Alex777
                    The king gave the title of baron - became a baron

                    It is such experts as you who often lead states, to the delight of the "barons" of the Rothschilds. laughing
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 9 December 2020 19: 43
                      -1
                      Thanks to you, I found a significant error in my statement. wink
                      It's good that there are experts like you. yes
                      it is interesting to remember what the late billionaire and screenwriter of Gorbachev's perestroika said about Putin David Rockefeller.

                      In one of his interviews, the American tycoon spoke about his relationship with politicians from different countries in the spirit that in his entire life he never had to face the fact that he could not solve his interests to the detriment of the interests of other countries with the help of money.

                      Money, he said, opens any door and makes any sacrifice. The only question is at what price these or those political rulers are ready to sacrifice their principles and the interests of their country.

                      The former top leaders of the Soviet Union were no exception. Let us recall at least the history of the dollar becoming an international currency, which happened solely due to the betrayal of the USSR's top party leadership of the interests of their country.

                      There is no need to talk about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who turned Russia into a raw material appendage of the West. They were fully supported by the United States and acted exclusively in their interests.

                      The only person who told Rockefeller, "Sorry, David, no," by his own admission, was Vladimir Putin. To the billionaire's surprise about why Putin does not like the real big money and the opportunities that they open up, Putin replied simply: "Because I love my Motherland."

                      https://newsland.com/community/8620/content/chto-skazal-devid-rokfeller-o-vladimire-putine/7240032
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 47
                        -6
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Thanks to you, I found a significant error in my statement

                        Don't thank, you still don't understand what I'm talking about. But here's what and to whom is given ... repeat
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 December 2020 19: 50
                        -7
                        What a lovely arrogance! wink
                        I'm glad you have something to amuse him with.
                        The bottom line is - for a helicopter, everyone who is needed will be tightly pressed. And they will not delay. yes
                        I'm not giving you the disadvantages. hi
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex777
                        What a lovely arrogance!

                        Well, I'm an aristocrat, I can. wink
                        Quote: Alex777
                        The bottom line is - for a helicopter, everyone who is needed will be tightly pressed. And they will not tighten.

                        You are wrong again. Already tightened. I threw a link about tomatoes yesterday, they minus me. Now others are being favored for the same. not the point, but indicative. laughing
                      4. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 December 2020 20: 02
                        0
                        Well. I'm an aristocrat, I can. wink

                        Well, I'm just above nonsense. wink
                      5. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 9 December 2020 20: 03
                        -2
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Well, I'm just above nonsense

                        Here, to each his own. Rothschilds and Rockefellers, you believe more. wink
                      6. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 December 2020 20: 05
                        +2
                        I believe in God. At 45 he was baptized, after 2 years of preparation. wink
                        And I check everything else. There are opportunities for this. yes
                        I don’t worry about who will have the last word. bully
                      7. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 9 December 2020 20: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        I believe in God. At 45 he was baptized, after 2 years of preparation

                        Long way, again, to each his own. request
              2. Vladimir247
                Vladimir247 11 December 2020 17: 04
                -2
                They'll push it. Yes Yes. And the retirement age will not be raised. Etc. laughing
                And those who surrounded the nuclear facility at the airport will be found. And Vasilyeva will be jailed. How can you not believe you! bully
            2. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 10 December 2020 09: 22
              +1
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: Alex777
              Thanks to you, I found a significant error in my statement

              Don't thank, you still don't understand what I'm talking about. But here's what and to whom is given ... repeat

              He is not alone, no one understands what you are saying
            3. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 December 2020 12: 21
              -3
              Quote: Vol4ara
              He is not alone, no one understands what you are saying

              Somehow V. Kondratyev expressed his opinion about his product. Many have said and say that his product is worthless and they do not understand it at all. To which he answered something like this: who needs it, they know why, but others do not need it. You can just ignore my comments, and all the cases. Regarding the conversation you got into. for me an Israeli banker is a perfectly acceptable option, an Israeli aristocrat is not even funny. It's like giving a maroon beret, it seems like there is a beret, and even a document can be given, but there is no real right to it, it (the maroon beret) is not given.
            4. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 10 December 2020 20: 54
              +1
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: Vol4ara
              He is not alone, no one understands what you are saying

              Somehow V. Kondratyev expressed his opinion about his product. Many have said and say that his product is worthless and they do not understand it at all. To which he answered something like this: who needs it, they know why, but others do not need it. You can just ignore my comments, and all the cases. Regarding the conversation you got into. for me an Israeli banker is a perfectly acceptable option, an Israeli aristocrat is not even funny. It's like giving a maroon beret, it seems like there is a beret, and even a document can be given, but there is no real right to it, it (the maroon beret) is not given.

              And how do you earn a sir or a peer? If the king's order is not precedent for you
            5. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 December 2020 21: 17
              -3
              Quote: Vol4ara
              And how do you earn a sir or a peer? If the king's order is not precedent for you

              There are no kings in the Russian Federation. And trading privileges for money are not kings to me. I am not Esau, I don’t sell my birthright for stew. And why should a descendant of black people have the right to nobility, if he will cease to be a descendant of peasants, he is ashamed of his ancestors? It's funny ... Here, my father's relatives are proud of their origin, they study generations of ancestors. and I am proud of my mother's grandfather, a descendant of dispossessed wealthy peasants. who volunteered for Finnish, he passed the Patriotic War. order bearer. Which being a visually impaired group 1. told me that he could hold the position and in this state 15 minutes against a platoon, about a soldier. if he is given a PPSh or RPD in his hands. These "nobles" will make me laugh for money. Who believe that you can buy everything. laughing
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 December 2020 21: 34
      -1
      Rockefeller loved Russia. As your own.
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 December 2020 21: 44
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Rockefeller loved Russia. As your own.

      Honest sarcasm! laughing
    4. iouris
      iouris 9 December 2020 21: 58
      -1
      Rather, a bitter irony.
  2. 72jora72
    72jora72 11 December 2020 17: 39
    0
    Rockefeller loved Russia. As your own.
    Sechin and Miller also love ...
  3. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 10 December 2020 05: 35
    +3
    The only person who told Rockefeller, "Sorry, David, no," by his own admission, was Vladimir Putin. To the billionaire's surprise about why Putin does not like the real big money and the opportunities that they open up, Putin replied simply: "Because I love my Motherland."


    It can also be called - how to get your agent out of the blow))
  4. Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 10 December 2020 11: 38
    0
    "The only person who said to Rockefeller: 'Sorry, David, no,' by his own admission, was Vladimir Putin. To the billionaire's surprise about why Putin does not like real big money and the opportunities it opens up, Putin replied simply : "Because I love my homeland"
    No, he had to lay out all the ins and outs. These noodles are already dry on our ears. Do not surrender their own as they say.
  5. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 10 December 2020 19: 00
    -1
    Putin is involved with drugs?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cali_Cartel
  6. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 10 December 2020 18: 58
    -1
    To the billionaire's surprise about why Putin does not like the real big money and the opportunities that they open up, Putin replied simply: "Because I love my Motherland."

    Russian government ties
    St. Petersburg Immobilien und Beteiligungs AG or SPAG is a real estate company registered in Germany under the control of Vladimir Putin in 1992 and suspected by the German police of aiding the St. Petersburg mafiosi, Colombian drug lords and transcontinental money laundering. [17] [18] Kumarin-Barsukov of the Tambov Russian mafia was a partner of Znamenskaya, a subsidiary of SPAG. [19] Thanks to his 200 shares or 20% control, Vladimir Smirmov was Putin's confidante in SPAG. [20] In the early 2000s, co-founder Rudolf Ritter was arrested in Liechtenstein for laundering cocaine cash for the Cali cartel. [19] [21] Robert Walner was the chief prosecutor in the Liechtenstein capital Vaduz. [19]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cali_Cartel
  • RUSS
    RUSS 9 December 2020 20: 12
    +16
    Quote: Alex777
    But VVP refused him with the words: "... I'm not interested in this - I love the Motherland.

    Thanks, made laugh laughing
  • demo
    demo 9 December 2020 20: 37
    +20
    But VVP refused him with the words: "... I'm not interested in this - I love my Motherland."
    That's interesting.
    Who was the witness when this phrase was spoken?
    And other.
    I and VVP have different associations with the word Motherland.
    Hence, the approaches to protecting the interests of the Motherland are different.
    One will forbid importing tomatoes. Another, for the death of the ambassador, "put cancer" on the Persian state and forced to crawl on the belly.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 9 December 2020 21: 13
      +4
      Well, they spoiled the impression. Already in the goiter the breath stole, as ours answered ... laughing
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 11 December 2020 17: 42
      0
      But VVP refused him with the words: "... I'm not interested in this - I love my Motherland."
      And he tore his shirt on his chest ...
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 9 December 2020 19: 17
    -7
    Quote: Thrifty
    it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime!

    Why, behind our backs? At the cost of the lives of two Russian pilots, Russia gagged everyone and by the way, no one blathers. Neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan. The goals have been achieved, but the military has such a path to give their lives for Glory and for the interests of the Motherland. Eternal Glory to the fallen. And on the issues of war crimes, I think, someone else will pay, those who imagine themselves as a new "Ottoman Empire". Not directly, so indirectly.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 December 2020 21: 17
      +11
      Quote: orionvitt
      At the cost of the lives of two Russian pilots, Russia gagged everyone and by the way, no one blathers. Neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan.

      And what should they blather, it was they who achieved their goals. Azerbaijan has grown by territories, in Karabakh the Turkish military. Are you talking about achieving these goals? wink
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      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 10 December 2020 14: 43
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Azerbaijan has grown in territories, in Karabakh the Turkish military.

        You swim very shallow. First, in Karabakh, Russian military. And secondly, in Azerbaijan, they have been Turkish for thirty years, so what? Did their "victory" help Azerbaijan greatly? Unless a holiday was established. laughing (I repeat, what nation, such victories) However, given the Caucasian mentality, and their mutual love (fueled from the West), everything goes on as usual. With which I congratulate them.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 December 2020 15: 37
          -1
          Quote: orionvitt
          Did their "victory" help Azerbaijan greatly?

          Yeah. Logic at the level "During the investigation, it turned out that the rape victim considers himself to be a rape." Or "Did the victory of the USSR in WWII greatly help, because the Germans live better?"
          So I look at you, and once again I am amazed how you manage to make any failure a victory. How much do the authorities pay for PR today?
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 9 December 2020 22: 35
      +1
      I agree with you, it will be so, or even so happened.

      Judging by some indirect indications, you are also right because, for example, I directly link the appearance of our UAVs among the Armenians "in service" and the sharply increased accuracy of the Armenian artillery of the final stage of this war just after our crocodile was shot down.

      I don’t want it to look blasphemous and disrespectful to the memory of our officers, but again, by circumstantial evidence, it seems that the Azerbaijanis rather quickly hurried in advance and had already paid compensation for the downed helicopter and the families of the helicopter pilots.

      Well, again, based on indirect indications, as well as from history, one gets the impression that the Azerbaijanis will do the most they will not reward their own people. It is unlikely that they will be prosecuted in full, the very maximum sentence and a quiet amnesty with dismissal from the Armed Forces. It's hard to believe in more.
  • dedusik
    dedusik 9 December 2020 20: 09
    -4
    Have you heard anything about the secret of the investigation? No, then read the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation Article 161. Inadmissibility of disclosing the data of the preliminary investigation
    1. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 9 December 2020 20: 25
      +6
      Article 161 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation is addressed to participants in criminal proceedings.
      The interest of ordinary citizens in this investigation is understandable. However, apart from the fact of the initiation of a criminal case, there is no information from the RF IC, and this is bad.
      1. dedusik
        dedusik 9 December 2020 20: 26
        0
        For whom, the layman or the investigation?
        Commentary on Article 161 of the RF Criminal Procedure Code.
        1. The commented article contains a prohibition to disclose the data of the preliminary investigation, except in cases expressly established by law. At the same time, the term "data from the preliminary investigation" means not only the evidence contained in the materials of the criminal case, but also any other information that is of interest to the prosecution or affects the rights and legitimate interests of the participants in criminal proceedings.
        2. In order for certain information to be made public, it is required that the investigator, the interrogating officer in charge of the criminal case, give the appropriate written permission. Permission to give is prohibited if it contradicts the interests of the preliminary investigation or violates the rights, freedoms and legitimate interests of the participants in the proceedings on the part of both the prosecution and the defense.
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 9 December 2020 20: 30
          0
          Make your question more specific.
          1. dedusik
            dedusik 9 December 2020 20: 45
            -1
            So they didn't understand repeat The answer is simpler, so that you or someone else could take advantage of publicity in obtaining information, see paragraph 2 of the Commentary, or even simpler
            the principle of openness as a legal institution will take place if the way of implementing this principle is based on the law and the rights and freedoms of other persons are not violated.
        2. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 9 December 2020 20: 37
          +3
          Why are you copying the edition of the Criminal Procedure Code, I know it from memory.
          I again suggest that you specify your question.
          If it is difficult for you to formulate your thoughts, then I wish you a good evening.
          1. dedusik
            dedusik 9 December 2020 21: 32
            +1
            Well, if you know the Criminal Procedure Code so well, what specifics are needed? If the citizens of the Russian Federation (with the exception of the participants in the process) want to receive information on this criminal case, the investigation does not consider it necessary to provide it due to the fact that we are not participants in the process.
            I have nothing more to add.
            1. Dalmatia
              Dalmatia 9 December 2020 23: 46
              0
              Yes, I know the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation very well, at a professional level.
              And that is why I am stopping my polemics with you.
              And you can continue to copy and post articles of the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation and comments to them in the chat)))
  • Tusv
    Tusv 9 December 2020 20: 28
    -1
    Quote: Thrifty
    but it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime!

    Serious business requires silence. Otherwise, we will be like ukroreykh or british with their highlighted like. And so. Let's look at our "Tomatoes" now.
    1. Azerbaijan is forbidden to seize the whole of Karabakh, but a civil corridor with Nakhichevan is open. Aliyev is pleased. What will pay off - we will find out later.
    2. Armenia - lost control of the Armenian-Turkish border. Our border guards have been brought in there, we have lost control over the entire part of Karabakh - Our peacekeepers have been brought in. Pashinyan is no longer satisfied with his own people.
    3. Turkey - politically did not receive anything that it wanted from this conflict, only an indirect gain on future sales of drones.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 9 December 2020 20: 54
      -2
      Quote: Tusv
      Turkey - politically did not get what it wanted

      What did she want?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 9 December 2020 20: 56
        +1
        It is known what - a direct border with metropolitan Azerbaijan
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 10 December 2020 07: 11
          +1
          1. Aliyev had a plan of mines and a plan of max .. His plan was at least fulfilled - he received 7 regions for which he had been speaking in recent years .. All of Karabakh was a plan of maximum ..
          2. So the border with Turkey has never been guarded by Armenian border guards, but guarded by ours since the times of the USSR
          3.In the sense of your opinion, the Turks and Azerbaijan wanted the complete capture of Armenia? and what not Georgia to boot? Why such speculation? CSTO i.e. would not be in the subject, as indeed the whole world? Although the Turks are ambitious and really would like this, they are not stupid, and I think they understood that this was impossible .. and so they and Jerusalem also want something that they did not capture, whose victory?
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 9 December 2020 22: 38
      -1
      Our border guards were already guarding the border of the Armenians with Turkey and Iran.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 9 December 2020 22: 50
        -1
        Quote: Azimuth
        Our border guards already guarded the border of Armenians with Turkey and Iran

        Where is the infa from? Officially, before the conflict, our border guards guarded only the Tajik-Afghan. The treaty on the protection of the Turkish-Armenian was signed immediately after the downed helicopter. And who Pashinyan was already asked after the death of two Russian pilots. Here he is the main culprit
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 9 December 2020 23: 36
          +1
          Vladimir, well, grown-up men are gathered here ... You don't need to write for the sake of scribbling, well, you shouldn't abuse the term "official", trying to give out your opinion or vision of "how it should be", etc., as reliable, official , information.
          Our border guards have been guarding the border in these areas since 1992. If OFFICIAL, then mixed with the Armenians.
          Officially: https://gyumri.mid.ru/ru/sootechestvenniki/pogranichnyy_otryad/
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 10 December 2020 01: 18
            -1
            Quote: Azimuth
            If OFFICIAL, then mixed with the Armenians.

            Well damn you have proofs. As Leninokan is now called - Gyumri. And where is our official external base of the RF Armed Forces - Gyumri. All other items of material and technical service. Where is Gyumri and where is the Armenian-Turkish border? I'm an adult, but what about you? Army did not teach cartography
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 10 December 2020 07: 13
              +1
              You know the difference between the RF Armed Forces and the FSB PS? where does Gyumri and border guards have to do with it?
              if you want a link, keep: http://docs.cntd.ru/document/1900722

              Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia on the status of the Border Troops of the Russian Federation located on the territory of the Republic of Armenia and the conditions for their functioning:
              The Republic of Armenia, in the interests of ensuring its own security, the security of the Russian Federation and the collective security of the CIS member states, delegates the protection of the state border with Turkey and Iran within its territory to the Border Troops of the Russian Federation, stationed at the time of the signing of this Treaty on the territory of the Republic of Armenia. (June 1995)

              1. Azimuth
                Azimuth 10 December 2020 13: 57
                0
                Thank you, otherwise I would definitely send Vladimir "cartography" lol to teach laughing
  • Machito
    Machito 11 December 2020 12: 54
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    I would not like to think, but it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime! Politics is a dirty business, and often petty ambitions and interests are more valuable than Russia's authority. ..

    And on the neutral strip there are flowers of extraordinary beauty ... (C) V. Vysotsky.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 9 December 2020 20: 32
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    And it looks like this time, too, will get off with tomatoes.

    At the moment you are right. Russia has deployed "long-range artillery". Both sides got it. "The Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of tomatoes from one region in Armenia and, more importantly, from Azerbaijan, after it found pests in vegetables and fruits that are quarantine objects for the EAEU countries. In tomatoes and apples from Azerbaijan at the end of October found the South American tomato moth and oriental moth. "
  • jovanni
    jovanni 9 December 2020 20: 56
    +1
    Probably VVP is very fond of tomatoes, since it considers the ban on them the most terrible punishment ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 December 2020 22: 00
      -2
      I also loved tomatoes.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 9 December 2020 18: 55
    +3
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I believe they were Turkish special forces

    as an option for the CIA, ukroDRG or reptilians. Aliyev's authority does not extend to them either. Rafiki is again innocent.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 9 December 2020 22: 00
      0
      The Martians forgot to mention. smile
  • Clear
    Clear 9 December 2020 19: 49
    +5
    Author:
    Sergey Kuzmitsky
    Thank you, Sergey, for bringing this up. Only when it takes on a great public response, then it will move from the dead center.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 10 December 2020 11: 11
    0
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I believe they were Turkish special forces. The power of ALIEV does not extend to them.

    And they shot down not from Stinger, something more serious. The presence of which, too, Aliyev does not want to disclose
  • Theodore
    Theodore 9 December 2020 18: 18
    +4
    Well, Blue-blue ogly, I've already explained everything! What is not clear !? It happened ....
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 9 December 2020 19: 45
      +2
      It is necessary to criticize the singer with his mouth, entering into a talkative hole.
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 December 2020 22: 02
      -4
      Quote: Theodore
      It happened ....

      So it was won. And the winners are not judged! (Victory parade tomorrow). Russian Armenian equipment will be thrown at Erdogan's feet.
  • svp67
    svp67 9 December 2020 18: 18
    +4
    And a month after the Azerbaijani strike from MANPADS on the Mi-24 about the progress of the investigation - silence
    That is why yesterday there were "extra" bugs in Azerbaijani tomatoes and fruits, and their import into Russia is FORBIDDEN. Let's see if this will speed up the investigation and payment of compensation
    1. A good one
      A good one 9 December 2020 18: 21
      +24
      Maybe their counters from the markets, put them outside the gates of the same markets.
      1. rusich
        rusich 9 December 2020 18: 30
        +8
        I agree to all 100%
    2. Director
      Director 9 December 2020 18: 34
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      And a month after the Azerbaijani strike from MANPADS on the Mi-24 about the progress of the investigation - silence
      That is why yesterday there were "extra" bugs in Azerbaijani tomatoes and fruits, and their import into Russia is FORBIDDEN. Let's see if this will speed up the investigation and payment of compensation

      Sergei was removed straight from the tongue! There, Aliyev does not decide anything, Erdogan has forbidden to see in order to annoy Russia! There, you need to put pressure on Turkey and hard, Rajep became insolent and imagined himself to be a direct Sultan negative
      It will be difficult for Russia, but we prevented the massacre in Karabakh and fulfilled our historic mission despite all the provocations ..
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 9 December 2020 18: 50
      +24
      To speed up the investigation, it is necessary to ban the import of Azerbaijanis into Russia. And maximize their export.
      1. apro
        apro 9 December 2020 19: 25
        +8
        Quote: paul3390
        To speed up the investigation, it is necessary to ban the import of Azerbaijanis into Russia. And maximize their export.

        And the Armenians at the same time. That would be offensive not.
    4. Polymer
      Polymer 9 December 2020 18: 54
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      That is why yesterday there were "extra" bugs in Azerbaijani tomatoes and fruits, and their import to Russia is FORBIDDEN

      And you wouldn't pay attention to these "extra bugs"? Such is the "concern" about the cleanliness of imported products - we want to see dirt on them, if we don’t want to - we don’t see ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 9 December 2020 18: 20
    +13
    This speaks of Russia's authority in the world. They saw our demands in their grave, it will be a shaky roll. They now hold the Turks in high esteem. There they would be in advance. hi
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 9 December 2020 19: 01
      +9
      Quote: fa2998
      In the coffin they saw our demands, it will be shaky-roll.

      Are there requirements? The Russian Foreign Ministry did not even give rise to the usual concern, she was satisfied.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 9 December 2020 18: 21
    +8
    Let the families of the pilots pay 1000 € per family member - this would be the best apology, because the breadwinner died and everyone is silent about it
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 9 December 2020 18: 28
      +17
      Compensation is certainly needed, the idea is correct, but with such an amount, given their budgets, they will shoot all our pilots with impunity.
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 9 December 2020 18: 26
    +3
    They do not want to surrender the killers of our pilots, inflict a fire defeat on the airfield in Azerbaijan! It is desirable where the Russian helicopters sold to Azerbaijan are based. And Azerbaijanis don't even twitch! Business in Russia is more expensive!
    1. Rostislav
      Rostislav 9 December 2020 18: 36
      +6
      Yes, if the ambassador sang "in war as in war," then there will be no reason to be offended by the answer. Everything I wanted.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 9 December 2020 19: 04
        +7
        Quote: Rostislav
        then there will be no reason to be offended by the answer.

        What is the answer? Tomatoes are the maximum.
  • Prax1
    Prax1 9 December 2020 18: 30
    -2
    It feels like a specialist has been framed. It's a pity the guys, they became victims of political games.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 9 December 2020 18: 36
      +6
      When will the hero of your nickname return from Germany? Rip off something for him, do your bit. yes
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 9 December 2020 18: 38
    +5
    Never mind - tomorrow, when the Kurds make another attack on the Turks in southern Syria, there will be a meaningful article for the uryakalok, in which they will hint, winking, that it was our MTR found and eliminated the killers of our pilots. The audience will shout "uryayaya", and in a couple of weeks no one will remember the helicopter.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 December 2020 18: 49
      +4
      Migrant, for your information, there will still be people who will never forget, and even more so, will not forgive this heinous crime! Only, unfortunately, they do not have any power, and no leverage in order to severely punish the guilty, and not those who are "appointed" as extreme! !!
      1. pereselenec
        pereselenec 9 December 2020 19: 27
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        Migrant, for your information, there will still be people who will never forget, and even more so, will not forgive this heinous crime!

        Honestly, you yourself will be able to name the Marine who died during the evacuation of a drying pilot shot down in Syria without Google?
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 9 December 2020 20: 20
        +3
        the correct type, as in the collapse of the USSR, the suitcase is the station of Russia, more than half of the Russians who have always lived in the RSFSR have not experienced this and (why is internationalism only for Russians, but for others is it national identity?) Why do chebureks easily obtain citizenship? for decades they were knocked out of people - they were brutally killed for protest (dissidents are not that, this is) and here is the result of the pension and what they swallowed, until the battles begin at the garbage cans (there will be no solaris in the property), then probably then at least somehow a thought will move lumpen businessman
  • Graz
    Graz 9 December 2020 18: 45
    +5
    And ours, as always in their repertoire, banned Azerbaijani tomatoes for sale, even if they came up with something new
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 December 2020 18: 55
      +3
      Quote: Graz
      And ours, as always in their repertoire, banned Azerbaijani tomatoes for sale, at least come up with something new

      yes, apples were also banned there
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 9 December 2020 19: 08
      +8
      Quote: Graz
      And ours, as always, are in their repertoire,

      What did you want from the huckster? You cannot stuff honor and national dignity into a cello.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 December 2020 18: 53
    +2
    The main thing is that families have not forgotten.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 9 December 2020 18: 54
    +4
    The Turkish scenario ... Only there are no more menacing statements. "They won't get off with tomatoes" ...
  • sustav75
    sustav75 9 December 2020 18: 58
    +14
    To kill a Russian soldier and not get a response for it is becoming commonplace! I remember how we used to tore our shirts and waited for reckoning soon! This is not the case today. We are being taught, and apparently have already taught many, to the fact that we should not react so emotionally to such events. Equated to the countries of the third or fourth world! Where the killing of the military goes on the news in passing, imperceptibly. After all, this is not an American or Israeli soldier! They do of us! And it can be seen. Tomatoes are vegetables you say! I am ashamed and bitter! So I'm still far from ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 15
      +6
      Quote: sustav75
      To kill a Russian soldier and not get a response for it is becoming commonplace! I remember how we used to tore our shirts and waited for reckoning soon! This is not the case today. We are being taught, and apparently have already taught many, to the fact that we should not react so emotionally to such events. Equated to the countries of the third or fourth world! Where the killing of the military goes on the news in passing, imperceptibly. After all, this is not an American or Israeli soldier! They do of us! And it can be seen. Tomatoes are vegetables you say! I am ashamed and bitter! So I'm still far from ..

      As one head of the children's sports-patriotic section told me after the Turks shot down our plane in Syria: - “I don’t need to fly to Turkey on vacation now, or what ?!”. And he continues to lead, educates the younger generation. What are you and your children. request
      1. sustav75
        sustav75 9 December 2020 19: 29
        +2
        They reach the Turks! I also have acquaintances who have nowhere to put their money - pancake flyers! I already told them, that somehow you will be left without boshek! The Turks look at you with hatred, and do not touch you, only as long as you pay them ...
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 31
          +2
          And I'm not saying anything, just practicing. hi
        2. AĞGURD
          AĞGURD 10 December 2020 07: 13
          -1
          A person who has visited Turkey in Azerbaijan in Iran in Pakestan will understand what safety, comfort and respect is ... believe me ... a person who has not just traveled but also lived and worked for at least a short (from 6 to 36 months) periods in almost all of Europe and Asia and I came to this opinion on the basis of the opinions of Europeans and Russians
      2. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 9 December 2020 19: 55
        +2
        But I'm not going to go on vacation to Turkey))
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 December 2020 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Dalmatia
          But I'm not going to go on vacation to Turkey))

          And I never flew there. They used to say: - "Bread is bitter in the house of the enemy." Times change, people forget a lot, but people are still the same. request
  • fa2998
    fa2998 9 December 2020 19: 00
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    That is why yesterday there were "extra" bugs in Azerbaijani tomatoes and fruits, and their import into Russia is FORBIDDEN.

    Well, they banned the import of apples from Poland, immediately an unprecedented harvest in Belarus-1000% laughing"I think this country will be ruined by corruption" hi
  • faterdom
    faterdom 9 December 2020 19: 00
    -1
    We have not forgotten anything to anyone.
    We are waiting for interesting news on the Kurdish front.
    And let the Armenians clean up and forbid them forever, and as the great Lenin bequeathed: "Learn military affairs in a real way."
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 20
      0
      Quote: faterdom
      We have not forgotten anything to anyone.

      I didn't forget. hi "Patriots" minus you. wink
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 9 December 2020 19: 40
      +1
      you don't think you will wait long
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 December 2020 20: 15
        -1
        Quote: Ryaruav
        you don't think you will wait long

        Everything has its time. hi
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 9 December 2020 19: 03
    +3
    Silence, because the "dead" are in power with braids .......
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 December 2020 19: 24
      +1
      Silence, because the "dead" are in power with braids ..
      Not with braids, but with Petrels, Vanguards, etc.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 9 December 2020 19: 20
    +4
    It should be reminded that in one of his interviews, the Azerbaijani ambassador to Russia said that, they say, "war is like war." I would like to count on the fact that Baku is not guided by this thesis and is not going to put the brakes on the investigation of a strike from MANPADS on a Russian military helicopter.


    Bul-Bul simply spat in the face and continues to be an ambassador, although he should be recalled. This is an indicator of Baku's attitude to the Russian Federation. The investigation has already been put on hold, to the mutual satisfaction of the parties. For a look with tomatoes, that's all.
  • Vitaly Pogrebnyak
    Vitaly Pogrebnyak 9 December 2020 19: 26
    +1
    Once again, our citizens are being killed, but the government does not react to it.
  • Master
    Master 9 December 2020 19: 33
    -1
    I tell you this with 100% certainty. No one will be tried for the downed helicopter. And I don’t think that the Russian side expects this. But even if they do, there will be no punishment. They just pay compensation and that's it. For as you can imagine, the trial of the man who shot down a helicopter during wartime. There are very simple explanations for all the charges.
    1. Far from the war zone. Otv- Tovuz was also far away. But the general and the colonel died there. So a blow from all sides can be expected.
    2. The helicopter did not attack
    ... The answer is that they only shoot down after he taps you?
    3. It was necessary to clarify who owns the helicopter?
    Why are you? If for each target identified. We'll have to clarify the affiliation. Then mo will soon turn into a call center. And until it turns out it may be very late.
    By the way, the last point is one of the shortcomings of the armies of the "last century". The fear of "material responsibility" greatly reduces the effectiveness of armies. Even junior sergeants in the absence of persons of higher rank. They have the right to act as they see fit. Within the framework of the legislation, of course. These are the frames. Apparently they did not prevent him from shooting down a helicopter. In a word. Individuals will not be judged. For this is contrary to the military doctrine of Azerbaijan. We'll have to judge either Ilham Aliyev or Zakir Hasanov)) In general, compensation + apology = closed topic.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 December 2020 19: 38
      -3
      Quote: Master
      I tell you this with 100% certainty. No one will be tried for the downed helicopter. And I don’t think that the Russian side expects this.

      Well, what is the demand for you? laughing And the leadership has the elections ahead, it (the leadership) should think. wink
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 9 December 2020 19: 37
    +6
    our Russian guys died for nothing, where the great commanders, fat-assed stripes, as they sat and are sitting in their warm places
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 9 December 2020 19: 39
    0
    And a month after the Azerbaijani strike from MANPADS on the Mi-24 about the progress of the investigation - silence

    It is necessary to take an example from Israel - they do not want to investigate - the culprit and those involved - accidentally die from a heart attack or in an accident, etc. - the main desire of the leadership.
  • Plowman
    Plowman 9 December 2020 19: 51
    -2
    We have already lost the West, now we are practically losing Transcaucasia, and Asia is there too ..
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 December 2020 20: 16
      0
      Quote: Plowman
      We have already lost the West, now we are practically losing the Transcaucasia, and Asia there too.

      Take it for yourself, do not mind.
  • vik669
    vik669 9 December 2020 20: 26
    0
    Rabinovich, how is your health?
    Do not wait!
    How is your mood?
    Don't mess up!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 December 2020 21: 19
    -1
    They will remember the tomatoes, they will, and that will be the end.
  • Zurbagan
    Zurbagan 9 December 2020 21: 26
    +1
    I do not like our "tomato" answers, because they look kind of pathetic, petty. The answer should be something like this: within 3 months, the entire business of Azerbaijanis in Russia should be closed (100% without a single exception). All Azerbaijani citizens must leave the territory of Russia. Dual citizenship (of Russia and Azerbaijan) should be prohibited (whose citizens they are should be determined - if Azerbaijan, then the liquidation of business and departure to their homeland. Our authorities should act in the same way if Turkish servicemen appear on the territory of Azerbaijan in numbers greater than, say, 50 You don't need to bomb anyone.
    1. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 10 December 2020 06: 54
      -3
      I think a couple of deputies like you and Russia will get another enemy with the 3 million Turkic army "TURAN"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wm2RgquSOk&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2CAuzigHWLDzU1ABOn51KLXdFGrinhGbLMuZi3NZ2QCwdU94GI1mujkPE
  • vavilon
    vavilon 9 December 2020 23: 13
    0
    Again sold our military for green papers
  • Protos
    Protos 9 December 2020 23: 27
    -3
    The darkest know better what and how to do!
    And then the advisers came running with sofa analithegs laughing
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 10 December 2020 00: 04
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Russian Armenian equipment will be thrown at Erdogan's feet.
    Well, firstly, the Armenians have mostly Soviet technology, there is little modern Russian, and the stupidity and mediocrity of the Armenians, or even outright cowardice, is not the fault of technology, it has nothing to do with it. The same Arabs in their time flew with a whistle to the Jews, and ours or, for example, the Vietnamese on the same technique achieved success.

    Secondly, if we talk about the winners, then most of their equipment will be held at the parade just by origin, mostly Russian, well, including Soviet equipment.

    So it is not worth repeating their next nonsense after the bots of the Armenians propagandons and pompously throwing about "Russian banners will be thrown at Erdogashki's feet" ... In general, they have no shame, no conscience, they were publicly torn and let down, who was caught in a lie , and who himself admitted, but still continue to carry tons of Mr. without stopping. Today the pearl was given away, they say, "captured", not captured, not captured, and "Syrian fighters" caught in Karabakh do not fall under the prisoner exchange agreement. As I read it, my heart was relieved, otherwise I can imagine what would await these poor and impoverished Syrian Armenians, who have barely a soul in their bodies, but posing as "formidable Arab terrorists" laughing Azerbaijanis would probably put them in a cage like monkeys and take them around the world ... Moreover, the stream of video has already started, we see how and what and who took in Karabakh, and the Armenians are all blowing their tune ...

    Another very interesting and important point, it is much more important than rolling on trawls thrown by anika warriors or destroyed equipment. In addition to technology, the Armenians also loved the battle banners of several of their units to the heap, too lazy to dig into the news, but not less than three. I wonder how Azerbaijanis will beat this moment tomorrow? Alternatively, they can wash the faithful sons of the Nazi bedding of Nzhdeh in this way:

    As Zakharova said, thousands of sons of Armenia, by their feat and courage, inscribed their names in golden letters in the history of the Second World War ... But, for example, Ukrainians inscribed their names in gold, and as we see there now scum from nedobitki hang around like "veterans", the Nazis are exalted Bandera beddings and others. I repeat, the Armenians, unfortunately, go there, so it's not a fact, but maybe the Armenians will be taught tomorrow another lesson and a loud click on the nose will be given.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 10 December 2020 00: 38
    0
    Idealism.
    And what, Baku will give its own? So they won, what for ???

    Let me remind you: allies !!! Syrians !!! somehow they shot down our plane.
    AND? printed somewhere - who made it, who shot down, how many were there, how who answered ???
    "... should have long been found, arrested and interrogated, and then brought to justice. After all, it has already passed ..." and so on.

    So do not suffer from excessive hopes, alas. We do not live under communism. Terpily should not know anything except the official fog ...
  • Konnick
    Konnick 10 December 2020 00: 46
    -2
    Quote: Zurbagan
    I do not like our "tomato" answers, because they look kind of pathetic, petty. The answer should be something like this: within 3 months, the entire business of Azerbaijanis in Russia should be closed (100% without a single exception). All Azerbaijani citizens must leave the territory of Russia. Dual citizenship (of Russia and Azerbaijan) should be prohibited (whose citizens they are should be determined - if Azerbaijan, then the liquidation of business and departure to their homeland. Our authorities should act in the same way if Turkish servicemen appear on the territory of Azerbaijan in numbers greater than, say, 50 You don't need to bomb anyone.

    And what is so aggressive, you are an Armenian huckster who is hindered by an Azerbaijani huckster?
    What if it turns out that shooting down the turntable is an Armenian provocation? What? All Armenians to their homeland? Or what for us?
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 December 2020 04: 34
    +2
    Everything was initially known - that's why so quickly "an apology came" !!! It's trite, but our answer is again tomatoes!
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 December 2020 05: 03
    -4
    I believe that the case is a deliberate wood grouse in terms of the performer. Moreover, the war was still going on. In such cases, the state pays compensation from above for equipment. The practice has been worked out to the smallest detail. Well, if I recognized it (thick about 404).
  • georggy
    georggy 10 December 2020 06: 05
    +1
    Outraged by the toothlessness of the country's leadership.
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 10 December 2020 06: 19
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: Thrifty
    it seems that on the sly behind our backs they agreed to hush up this crime!

    Why, behind our backs? At the cost of the lives of two Russian pilots, Russia gagged everyone and by the way, no one blathers. Neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan. The goals have been achieved, but the military has such a path to give their lives for Glory and for the interests of the Motherland. Eternal Glory to the fallen. And on the issues of war crimes, I think, someone else will pay, those who imagine themselves as a new "Ottoman Empire". Not directly, so indirectly.

    And how did she shut her mouth? And to whom? With her silence? Or those who arrange the parade or those who participate in it ...? Blah ... blah ... blah ... do not say that due to this, the import of apples and tomatoes was prohibited ... so the Armenians were banned, and the list is bigger ... and you did not think that this was Putin's and Aliyev's adjustment for enemies from Europe ... or was it a provocation of envious people and not well-wishers by our strategic partnership? or maybe Putin is forced to in gratitude for the fact that Turkey and Azerbaijan did everything so that Russia would not lose its vassal? and that would thwart the plan against Putin ...? Or maybe Putin still knows more than you about the still 3 million "ARMY TURAN", although still Not everyone who wants to join there? Or maybe he is still smarter than all Internet politicians that he has been ruling the Empire for so many years and considers it better to be friends and cooperate with the Turkic people than to be at enmity because of the vile cowardly and treacherous Armenia?
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 December 2020 08: 43
      0
      Quote: AĞGURD
      And how did she shut her mouth? And to whom? With her silence? Or those who arrange the parade or those who participate in it ...? Blah ... blah ... blah ... do not say that due to this, the import of apples and tomatoes was prohibited ... so the Armenians were banned, and the list is bigger ... and you did not think that this was Putin's and Aliyev's adjustment for enemies from Europe ... or was it a provocation of envious people and not well-wishers by our strategic partnership? or maybe Putin is forced to in gratitude for the fact that Turkey and Azerbaijan did everything so that Russia would not lose its vassal? and that would thwart the plan against Putin ...? Or maybe Putin still knows more than you about the still 3 million "ARMY TURAN", although still Not everyone who wants to join there? Or maybe he is still smarter than all Internet politicians that he has been ruling the Empire for so many years and considers it better to be friends and cooperate with the Turkic people than to be at enmity because of the vile cowardly and treacherous Armenia?

      This trolling is usually done by individuals for about 15 years on YouTube. Not lost? great Turan. lol
  • Abdula
    Abdula 10 December 2020 08: 59
    0
    I didn't understand, so the question has already been resolved by tomatoes and apples no longer from Azerbaijan to Russia
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 10 December 2020 15: 14
    +2
    Quote: Thrifty
    Migrant, for your information, there will still be people who will never forget, and even more so, will not forgive this heinous crime! Only, unfortunately, they do not have any power, and no leverage in order to severely punish the guilty, and not those who are "appointed" as extreme! !!

    Let's go without rallies and don't throw the words "heinous crime", "stab in the back," etc.

    Who do you personally consider guilty? The one who let the Igloo off the shoulder, or the one who gave him the order, or the one who gave the order to the one who gave the order to the one with the MANPADS on his shoulder, or ...? This is not a banter, I hope you understand what I mean.
    The responsibility is not borne by a specific soldier, but by the state to whose army he belongs. An anti-aircraft gunner, for example, fulfilled the order of his commander, is this fighter to blame, I'm talking about an anti-aircraft gunner? He carried out the order, and there is nothing to judge him for, if you look objectively.

    For understanding, remember the Korean passenger Boeing. The interceptor pilot took off on command to intercept the intruder, he got out on instructions from the ground, the locator captured the target, he launched the missile from tens of kilometers. Shot down the intruder. He followed all orders clearly. But in the end, as we know, a passenger plane was shot down, which for the pilot was only a target mark.
    Is there any fault of our, Soviet, pilot, is there a criminal intent in his actions, etc.? Could the Koreans demand, for example, his condemnation? ...

    Such incidents are not uncommon, there is a right, there is a practice of their investigation. Let them figure it out, it will be as it should be, and not as you or I believe, or someone else. I don’t believe that both the defeat of our helicopter by a rocket and the death of two members of its crew will be forgotten and the case is put on the brakes, and this is practically impossible. But the fact that everything can be so laid down, but how you or I do not understand or do not accept looking at the problem everyday, not being experts in law, just believe.

    Many of us began to write about the case belli, etc., to offer blows, etc., but if formally and stupidly, according to international law, we have no right to this, if Azerbaijan admitted its guilt, apologized and paid compensation for property , dead and injured.
    Many, like parrots, even shouted about the incident belli, but they forgot, or rather do not know, that now there is no right to war ... and we as well.

    Nakhichevan, although it is an exclave, is part of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan fought with Armenia, the aggressor, on its internationally recognized territory. Nakhichevan was subjected to a missile attack from Armenia during this war https://ria.ru/20201016/udar-1580097910.html as Armenia tried in every possible way to drag us into the war and expand the theater of operations, and there were intense hostilities in Nakhichevan in the past war, although it is correctly written by everyone here far from Karabakh and from "the question of self-determination of the Karabakh people." It is quite possible that the Azerbaijani investigation will not find corpus delicti, or the Azerbaijani court will consider the actions of its military personnel to be lawful. And there's nothing you can do about it.

    Armenia is an aggressor under international law, Armenia struck a blow at Nakhichevan and we had to take into account the risks when planning our actions. In this war, Azerbaijan was preparing for terrorist attacks from Armenia, and Armenia committed them more than once and it was its special services that prepared and executed them, this is confirmed by the verdicts of our court, and not Azerbaijani or Armenian blah-blah, and Azerbaijan was preparing in this war for a second Armenian aggression in Nakhichevan, as in the 90s. Therefore, singing along with the Armenians about the "disgusting crime", for the fact that our helicopter was shot down flying close to the positions (and there, in fact, the position, not the border) of Azerbaijanis standing on the ears and being mistaken for Armenian, is fundamentally wrong - the helicopter was not shot down deliberately and because it is ours, there is nothing to do with our Su-24 shot down in Syria.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 11 December 2020 12: 05
    0
    Opus about nothing. In the author's opinion, should he (and others) be reported on the progress and results of the investigation? And also about everything that revolves around this event?