Development of a new pistol similar to Glock has begun in Russia

The development of a new pistol chambered for 9X19 has begun in Russia, which in terms of its characteristics will be comparable to the latest models of the Glock pistol. About this in an interview with RIA News said the CEO of the developer weapons ORSIS.

According to Novoselov, ORSIS has begun developing a new pistol in 9X19 caliber, taking into account the development of pistols from such well-known brands as Glocr and SIG Sauer. In terms of its characteristics, the Russian pistol, called ORSIS S1, will be comparable to the latest models of foreign brands, but much cheaper.

We are developing from scratch a pistol made of polymer materials in caliber 9x19. We expect that in 2021 we will already have a prototype. The development takes into account the operating experience of "Glocks" and "Zigzauers". The preliminary model name is ORSIS S1. We hope to create something equivalent in weight (650 grams without cartridges) and combat properties to the fifth generation Glock pistols

- he said.

Novoselov noted that the main advantage of the new Russian pistol will be in the price. If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories, then ORSIS, similar in characteristics, will cost about 100 thousand.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories, then ORSIS, similar in characteristics, will cost about 100 thousand.

There is no doubt. Quality issue ....

[Civil]

Development of a new pistol similar to Glock has begun in Russia

It is impossible to be analogous, just not knowing analogues in the world should be.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Civil

It is impossible to be analogous, just not knowing analogues in the world should be.

"There is no analogue in the world" - this is the domain of serious offices like the same KK. Orsis - he is simpler, maybe something similar to play))

[Temples]

A VAZ car similar to a Mercedes costs not 5 million rubles, but only 650 thousand rubles.
Shit, but cheaper.

So it is with this pistol.

If you do not declare that Orsis will make a Glock only twice cheaper, then no one will notice the miracle of the novelty.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Temples

A VAZ car similar to a Mercedes costs not 5 million rubles, but only 650 thousand rubles.
Shit, but cheaper.

So it is with this pistol.

Note that a pistol is an order of magnitude more simple product than a modern car. The creation of an adequate analogue now is more a matter of production culture.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Kalmar

a pistol is an order of magnitude more simple product than a modern car.

Judging by the estimated price of our pistol, you can't say that.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Bad_gr

Judging by the estimated price of our pistol, you can't say that.

Costs of small-scale production: the product is practically piece-made. For example, "Viking" (Yarygin's fenced pistol) is made in large batches and retail for about 20 thousand.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Kalmar

For example, "Viking" (Yarygin's fenced pistol) is made in large batches and retail for about 20 thousand.

Wrap two! And a pack of cartridges!

[Hunter 2]

Orsy got steel somewhere? And have you mastered the ceramo - plastic?
In general - clever girls, for the Accuracy My respect to them

[bunta]

Quote: Kalmar

the issue of production culture.

I wonder what you mean by this?

[Kalmar]

Quote: bunta

I wonder what you mean by this?

Mainly: the use of quality parts and materials, adherence to tolerances, maintenance of equipment in good condition and, of course, careful quality control at the output with ruthless rejection.

[bunta]

The use of "quality" parts with good tolerances and rejection is a normal process in any production. This has nothing to do with the culture of production. It is too easy to blame the lack of management of specific defective managers on the "low culture of performers." This clearly refers to the conclusion that low culture is inherent in the entire nation. After all, it is he who stands at the machine and works in the Quality Control Department. Culture, first of all, is a relationship. The employee's attitude to the work performed. You can set a rigid framework in which the employee will do his job and punish him mercilessly for any deviations. With low wages, this will cause nothing but anger. And you can make the employee himself interested in the quality of the product. This is more difficult. This is a creative process - creation controlled production of quality products. Note - culture is creativity. This is not given to everyone.
The most important "attitude" is the attitude of the owner to the enterprise. If, first of all, he sees in it a source of income, and gives it to the management of "experts", then this is a low culture. If the owner is aimed at the market, at the product, at the needs, understands all the intricacies of products and sales, participates in management, then this is the same creative process. This is the beginning of a production culture.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Kalmar

Note that a pistol is an order of magnitude more simple product than a modern car. The creation of an adequate analogue now is more a matter of production culture.

Can you name who created something similar to the AK-47?
And the issue of production culture is the creation of just an adequate copy.

[Kalmar]

Quote: ROSS_51

Can you name who created something similar to the AK-47?

With AK, the example is not entirely successful: in the past, the USSR generously distributed documentation to everyone in a row. As a result, there was no need to make an analogue - they made an AK right away (perhaps with small-town modifications to suit their taste). Although here you can recall, say, Galil or Valmet Rk62.

Quote: ROSS_51

And the issue of production culture is the creation of just an adequate copy.

Which is also not bad. The same Turks once began to copy Italian rifles (Benelli, Fabarm): at first it did not go well, then the aforementioned culture was formed. Now Turkish guns are gradually pushing Russian ones on the Russian market.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Temples

Shit, but cheaper.

So it is with this pistol.

Your priority is to mix everything Russian with your droppings.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mavrikiy

There is no doubt about it. Quality issue ....

You were told in Russian:

Novoselov noted that The main advantage of the new Russian pistol will be the price.

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quality issue ....

Well, this private company has weapons of very high quality, they also supply sniper rifles. The question is, to what extent this pistol will be needed under the "worldwide" cartridge "Parabellum"

[Kalmar]

Quote: svp67

The question is, to what extent this pistol will be needed under the "worldwide" cartridge "Parabellum"

Firstly, according to rumors, the same "Glocks" are respected in a number of Russian power structures. A similar Russian pistol could find its place here, even more so that it could even be officially adopted into service.

Secondly, there are athletes who might also be interested in such a product, especially if they can provide an adequate price tag: imported pistols are very, very expensive for us.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Kalmar

could find my place more that it could be

Some people like to screw in a word without quite understanding its meaning. "Pache" means stronger or more than (not "all the more") !! And then your phrase reads: ... could find its place, more than that it could be ...
Recently I read from one clever guy: - We kindled a fireplace so that it was cold!

[Kalmar]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Pache "- means stronger or more than !!

Oh, how, sales did not think. Well, I'll be a little smarter from now on. And, according to the rules of Internet discussions, my previous comment is canceled))

[svp67]

Quote: Kalmar

First, according to rumors, the same Glocks are respected in a number of Russian power structures.

The word "RUMORS" can be removed, it was bought.

Quote: Kalmar

Secondly, there are athletes who could also be interested in such a product,

I agree, especially since this company is famous for its quality of processing and manufacturing of barrels

[PSih2097]

Quote: Kalmar

Firstly, according to rumors, the same "Glocks" are respected in a number of Russian power structures. A similar Russian pistol could find its place here, even more so that it could even be officially adopted into service.

Glock has a barrel resource of 25 shots, while ours has an average of 000 - 4 (although we like to have increased damage, so the hitch is also larger) ...

[Split]

Quote: Kalmar

Secondly, there are athletes who could also be interested in such a product.

Not an athlete, although at one time he shot a match and an Olympic jacket (with the Khaidurovskys mostly). No matter how positioned the Glock 34, I like the Taurus 92 better, and I shoot with it more accurately. The recoil is softer, and the grip is somehow more familiar when the current from the PM of zinc 2 is shot, i.e. closer to the classics. IMHO in the gun plastic is evil

[Kalmar]

All these things would be developed much more vigorously if they could be released on the civilian market. Dreams Dreams...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kalmar

All these things would be developed much more vigorously if they could be released on the civilian market.

It is high time to arm the civilian population, otherwise the aliens will arrive, and we have nothing to fight back ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: ROSS 42

It is high time to arm the civilian population, otherwise aliens will arrive, but we have nothing to fight back.

Aliens or not, there is a demand for such products, and it is much more flexible and vigorous than that of the security forces: the most important thing is to test new developments before dragging them to the show to the security forces.

[paul3390]

but we have nothing to fight back

It's not the same for everybody.. Saiga or SCS from the landing from Jupiter is somehow more reliable ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

All these things would be developed much more vigorously if they could be released on the civilian market. Dreams Dreams...

Of the traumas, every now and then they shoot at each other. And what will happen if firearms are allowed?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Of the traumas, every now and then they shoot at each other. And what will happen if firearms are allowed?

Now you will be horrified: firearms are already allowed! Any adequate adult citizen can buy a gun for himself, the most real! Horror, horror, right? And yes, I will note right away, I am not advocating carrying pistols; the same rules as for long-barreled weapons would be quite suitable: so that you can acquire, transport and use at shooting ranges.

PS And among the traumas they shoot because they are traumas: many characters still perceive them as a "fist extension", incapable of causing serious harm. They do not fire with guns, no one has any illusions about the achieved effect.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

And among the traumas they are fired because they are traumas: many characters still perceive them as a "fist extension", incapable of causing serious harm. They do not fire with guns, no one has any illusions about the achieved effect.

You did not understand.
When you wrote that you would allow a short barrel, I understood it this way: you want to be allowed to carry it. Otherwise, what's the point in permitting if you keep the short barrel at home? Just for the love of this kind of weapon? Why then only short-barreled? Why not submachine guns, machine guns (light)?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Otherwise, what's the point in permitting if you keep the short barrel at home?

I repeat: not only store at home, but also use at shooting facilities. It is the same as it is now with guns and carbines. The goal is sports and recreational shooting. Perhaps later it will be possible to raise the conversation about the wearing permit, but personally I am not interested in the self-defense aspect, but I respect practical shooting)

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

The goal is sports and recreational shooting.

Means out of love.
You like to shoot a pistol, so you have to allow it. You are indifferent to shooting from other types of weapons, so it is not necessary to allow them.
Well. Everyone has the right to their own whims. However, no one is obliged to satisfy them.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Means out of love.

Yeah, love is one of the main driving forces in our life))

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You like to shoot a pistol, so you have to allow

Firstly, not only me, there are quite a few of us. Secondly, not "should be allowed", but "I would like to allow." Thirdly, it is not only about my desires, but also about the practical benefits for the country's economy.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You are indifferent to shooting from other types of weapons, so it is not necessary to allow them.

What are you talking about? Of course, no one will allow automatic weapons: here the question of ensuring the balance of power between the population and the security forces is already arising. Shotguns and rifles are already permitted in our country; by the way, I shoot from a gun - I don't know where you got the conclusion about my indifference.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Everyone is entitled to their own whims

If you do not share someone's aspirations, this is not a reason to consider them whims. This is not appropriate for an adult.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

However, no one is obliged to satisfy them.

Don't worry, I don't expect anything from you personally in this regard.

[Bad_gr]

An old article, but it is quite possible to draw conclusions from it:

"... USA
Professor David Mustard recently published in the Journal of Law and Economics the results of a study according to which, in states where citizens are allowed to carry weapons, the number of police killings is reduced by two percent annually.
Research has been conducted by an independent United States institute, the University of Chicago. In states where concealed carrying of weapons is allowed, the overall crime rate is 22% lower.
murder rate - by 33%,
robberies -------- by 37%,
serious bodily injury - by 14%.

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States in America where covert carrying weapons are allowed, citizens kill twice as many criminals as police officers. According to statistics, states in America where citizens are allowed to carry weapons in secret have an overall violent crime rate that is 18% LOWER compared to states where they carry weapons. prohibited. The murder rate in "armed" states is 33% LOWER, robberies - 37%. Of the 50 American states, 31 can carry weapons in secret, with 22 having adopted such a permit in the last 10 years, and 11 states in the last 2 years. From 1973 to 1992, the US homicide rate fell 10%. At the same time, during the same period, the number of trunks in the population increased by 73% - from 122 to 222 million units! This is a total of barrels, and the number of owners of pistols and revolvers has increased by as much as 110% - from 37 to 78 million units! In states where it is illegal to carry weapons, 289,7 murders are committed per 100 population. In states where the secret carrying of weapons is allowed, there are 000 cases of homicide per 183,1 population. Half the size! State of Florida. In 100, it allowed citizens to buy weapons. Since then, crime in the state has fallen by 000%, while it has grown by 1987% nationwide. In Washington, the capital of the United States, the authorities have banned the possession of pistols and revolvers since 21. Crime in the capital has tripled, while the national average crime rate has grown by 12% over the same period. New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington are home to only five percent of the country's population, and 1976 percent of all murders are committed. It is these cities that have the most violent gun laws.

The second amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:
"... the right of people to keep and carry weapons should not be infringed."
7 out of 10 American adults enjoy their constitutional right, with about 150 million weapons in their hands. The City of Kennea-Saw, Georgia, has mandated heads of households to keep at least one firearm. During the 16 years of this act, there have been three murders in the city: two with a knife (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1987). Official statistics from developed countries indicate an increase in the homicide rate with the tightening of the right to carry and possess weapons. With twice the population of the United States, the number of homicides according to data for 1993. USA - 23 thousand, Russia - 29 thousand, police in Russia are killed twice as many as police in the United States. Only 3% of legally acquired weapons are used for criminal purposes. The main causes of fatal accidents in the United States in 2001:
Motor vehicles ----------- 42 people
Poisoning ------------------------------------------ 14 500
Falls from a height --------------------------------- 14 200
Accidents related to suffocation (choking on food, etc.) - 4
Fire and other sources of fire and smoke ----- 3 900
Firearms ------------------------------ 800
FBI statistics show that since the mid-1990s, the number of cases of the use of firearms in the United States has been gradually decreasing. The peak was recorded in 1993 - almost 40 thousand such cases throughout the country. At the same time, according to researchers from the University of Chicago, if local lawmakers allow citizens to own firearms, the number of murders in the respective states (32 of 50 in all such states in America) is reduced by an average of 8 percent, rapes by 5 percent, robberies - by 7 percent. Indeed, the rate of violent crime in such states is much lower than the US average.
At the same time, in the US capital Washington in 1976, it was forbidden to own firearms. By 1991, the rate of robbery tripled, although the national average, it increased by 12 percent. Firearms are also banned in another major US city, Chicago, and there are more killings in it than in any other city in the country.
Police statistics show that owners of firearms are much less likely to become victims of robberies and attacks. Curiously, the use of firearms as a means of self-defense rarely ends in bloodshed. On average, only in 1% of cases the perpetrator is wounded and in 0,1% of cases - killed.
In some states, possession of weapons has been restricted to the walls of a home. And according to police statistics, street violence jumped sharply there. Especially at the same time, the most vulnerable sections of the population — pensioners and young women — suffered. As soon as the right to bear arms was returned to citizens, the growth curve of this kind of crime fell.

And in some places in the United States, for example, gun ownership is compulsory. In 1980, the City Hall of Kennesaw, Georgia, issued an ordinance requiring homeowners to keep at least one firearm in their home. As a result, between 1980 and 2000, Kennesaw's population increased from 5000 to 21000. In the same twenty years, there were only three murders in the city: two with knives (in 1984 and 1987) and only one with a firearm (1997). Since the law came into force in 1982, the number of crimes against the person in Kennesaw decreased by 74% compared to 1981, and in 1983 by another 45% compared to 1982, and has remained impressively low since. ... The crime rate in Kennesaw has only declined from the realization that the entire urban society is armed. A similar ruling was passed in 2001 in Virginia, Utah, and none of the leading American media outlets devoted the situation in Kennesaw to any serious publication. From the point of view of NRA supporters, Kennesaw's example proves that the presence of firearms does increase public order and safety. But opponents of weapons do not agree with this and consider Kennesaw an annoying exception to the rule. From the point of view of HGC supporters, weapons are the absolute evil and the main cause of violence. And so they try not to mention Kennesaw in their information campaigns.
In 1993, 23 murders were committed in the United States, and 300 in Russia (this is without taking into account the cunning of domestic criminal statistics, hiding even twice as many violent deaths in the column with the hypocritical name “grievous bodily harm that led to death”).
Oklahoma laws that allowed [home] owners to use force no matter how small the threat, reduced the number of robberies by almost half after they were adopted 15 years ago.

[Alexfly]

Your comment is understandable, you propose to allow carrying ... I am afraid that in a country where there is still no culture of handling weapons, this can lead to depressing consequences, but, in principle, in the future it is possible, but first you need to accustom people to weapons through an amateur shooting ...

[Obliterator]

Quote: AlexFly

Your comment is understandable, you propose to allow carrying ... I am afraid that in a country where there is still no culture of handling weapons, this can lead to depressing consequences, but, in principle, in the future it is possible, but first you need to accustom people to weapons through an amateur shooting ...

A vicious circle actually turns out.

[PSih2097]

Quote: AlexFly

Your comment is understandable, you propose to allow carrying ... I'm afraid in a country where there is still no culture of handling weapons, this can lead to depressing consequences,

those. in the army, I commanded a platoon of 48 people, which was armed with 3 armored personnel carriers, 2 infantry fighting vehicles, 12 PM, 46 AK of various modifications, 4 SVD, 2 PKM, and this is not counting grenades, mines (and of all types and in huge numbers), and I and my soldiers have passed the "scout path" more than once or twice - and you say that there is no culture of conversion?
I certainly understand that there are individuals ...
But the problem is mainly in the corruption component (who needs it, he will find where to get it anyway, but for everyone else - ... (like you - ..mat ..)) ...
I always said - if you want a short-barreled trunk - drag it on yourself for a week without taking it off (PM / PYA) full-size and full-fledged pneumatic analog, and when you get tired of it or not - we'll talk ...

[Alexfly]

What does the service in the Armed Forces have to do with it? The process of legitimizing weapons has little to do with this. Here is another, more reminiscent of crime and punishment ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why not submachine guns, machine guns (light)?

You yourself are engaged in sophistry, demagoguery and distortion. A short-barreled weapon is a self-defense item. Now, for example, in Russia, rifles with a sniper scope are allowed, and if a person will shoot people at a distance of 500 m and
will argue that this is self-defense, then they will jail him and do the right thing.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

You yourself are engaged in sophistry, demagoguery and distortion. A short-barreled weapon is a self-defense item. Now, for example, in Russia rifles with a sniper scope are allowed, and if a person shoots people at a distance of 500 m and claims that this is self-defense, then he will be imprisoned and done correctly.

If a rifle / assault rifle / machine gun were to be carried as conveniently, easily and invisibly as a short barrel, then they would be worn. There is no sophistry in this.

[Kalmar]

Meet: "Saiga" MK isp. 33 in caliber 5.45x39.

When folded it fits into a small bag or backpack. 10-seater shops can easily fit into pockets. Do you think a lot of people with such people shy away from the streets? But anyone who has been marinating an old double-barreled shotgun in his safe for 5 years has the right to purchase such a musket.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

10-seater shops can easily fit into pockets

And you can't put rifles / machine guns / machine guns in your pocket or holster. Whether folded or in any way.
Disassembled, you say? .. Well, that's a completely different story.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And you can't put rifles / assault rifles / machine guns into your pocket or holster

The above "Saiga" is quite a rifle. Or do you not consider anything less than a PTRD for a rifle? I don't see any point in discussing machine guns / machine guns: this is not a civilian weapon (although I heard about a holster for the AKS-74U).

Meanwhile:

The hero of this image is TOZ-106, popularly known as "The Death of the Chairman")) 20 gauge smoothbore gun.

Here's another folding karabassik - ASK-17-9:

When folded, there are many places to hide.

Well, this prototype from malware is also not too difficult to dig under clothes or in a small bag:

Conclusion? The conclusion is simple: with a strong desire, even now you can find civilian weapons that can be more or less discreetly carried with you. Until the first frame of the metal detector, after which there will be a fun quiz with gentlemen policemen (for an incorrect answer - a fine and revocation of a license).

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

Conclusion? The conclusion is simple: with a strong desire, even now you can find civilian weapons that can be more or less discreetly carried with you.

When I wrote about another story, I just had a great desire in mind. A mad dog is not a hook for a hundred miles.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why not submachine guns, machine guns (light)?

Tanks, self-propelled guns, MLRS, fighter / assault / bomber / front-line aviation (turntables), in short everything except for strategic nuclear forces ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

Now you will be horrified: firearms are already allowed! Any adequate adult citizen can buy a gun for himself, the most real! Horror, horror, right? And yes, I will note right away, I am not advocating carrying pistols; the same rules as for long-barreled weapons would be quite suitable: so that you can acquire, transport and use at shooting ranges.

Bayan has already broken on this topic. A short-barreled (pistol) in the hands of the population of the Russian Federation will be tough. IMHO If you really ask who most often uses injuries in the Russian Federation, the same and short-barreled will be the first to have it. Citizens have the right.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

A short-barreled (pistol) in the hands of the population of the Russian Federation - it will be hard

Why such a desire to paint the population of the Russian Federation as a herd of rabid baboons? In the 90s, in some CIS countries, for example, short-barrels were allowed - and, suddenly, nothing happened. We are much worse than some Balts or what?

As for injuries, I have already said: many owners still do not perceive it as a weapon, especially after the energy has been cut to 90J. From that and psychological barriers to use less. And then, as far as I know, now the number of cases of unjustified use is decreasing - it reaches people that even a rubber spit can lead to an unsuccessful hit under the article.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

... We are much worse than some Balts or what?

The mentality and temperament are very different. IMHO. The Balts do not race around Moscow with flags in honor of their victories. At least I don’t remember such cases.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

The mentality and temperament are very different.

There are separate categories of citizens / "also-citizens" with a special mentality and temperament in each country. It is possible to provide special rules for them in the Zoo - as now for small peoples))

PS And yes, I still do not fight for the right to wearing short-barreled weapons.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

There are separate categories of citizens / "also-citizens" with a special mentality and temperament in each country. It is possible to provide special rules for them in the Zoo - as now for small peoples))

You will be convicted of extremism. And the problem isn't going anywhere.

[Bolt cutter]

We are much worse than some Balts or what?

As the Baltic states, there are almost no natives of distant steppes and high mountains among us. Therefore, everything went well for us.

[Alexfly]

You misunderstand the situation, permission to purchase a pistol for use for "sporting" purposes and permission to carry weapons are two different things. In the first case, discipline increases significantly. And for those who disregard the rules, there is a criminal code. Secondly, dear, how is it necessary to hate our compatriots in order to deny them a healthy lifestyle?

[Tank hard]

Quote: AlexFly

... And for those who disregard the rules, there is a criminal code.

What country do you live in? Precisely in the Russian Federation? Here is one of the most acclaimed videos. I am not going to assess not Yandiev, not Kharitonov. I am most worried about the behavior of the police, or rather her (the police) complete inaction. But these could not be pro-level fighters in MMA, but ordinary citizens. Who was punished? Someone received a criminal sentence or administrative order, at least? Where was your criminal code? Or maybe it's not written for everyone? AND? And if you give the short-barrel in hand? We are watching the video carefully, listening to the conversation of the police, it was said exactly why they were not going to interfere. What if you're next?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

Where was your criminal code? Or maybe it's not written for everyone?

Thoughts aloud: if it seems to a certain character that the Criminal Code for him personally has a purely recommendatory character, what is it that prevents him, the character, from walking with this very short-barreled? In fact, many of these spiritually rich comrades do just that.

Those who want to observe the semblance of legality wear injuries or "transport" shotguns / carbines. There are also many such comrades.

But here's what is interesting: shootings in the spirit of the Wild West still occur relatively infrequently in our country. Rarely, I would say. Perhaps it is not worth extrapolating the behavior of individual inadequate people to the entire population of the Russian Federation at once?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

Thoughts aloud: if it seems to a certain character that the Criminal Code for him personally has a purely recommendatory character, what is it that prevents him, the character, from walking with this very short-barreled? In fact, many of these spiritually rich comrades do just that.

Those who want to observe the semblance of legality wear injuries or "transport" shotguns / carbines. There are also many such comrades.

But here's what is interesting: shootings in the spirit of the Wild West still occur relatively infrequently in our country. Rarely, I would say. Perhaps it is not worth extrapolating the behavior of individual inadequate people to the entire population of the Russian Federation at once?

Either you haven't watched the video, or you don't want to understand what I wanted to say. To each his own.

[Note]

That's when you will personally fly then and say horror horror

[Alexfly]

You should not be allowed to wear it, and even in a charged state, but amateur sports could be allowed ... And so I came to a shooting range, to a shooting range, of which there could be thousands in Russia, and at least shoot yourself ...

[jeka424]

they also cut with axes and knives

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: jeka424

they also cut with axes and knives

You can't do without a short barrel in everyday life, too?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You can't do without a short barrel in everyday life, too?

In everyday life, there are many things you can do without. Let's say, take the bus to work instead of a personal car. Do you know how many people die in road accidents every year? And wash the dishes with soda - do you know how many people are poisoned with household chemicals? You can continue for a long time)

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Kalmar

In everyday life, there are many things you can do without. Let's say, take the bus to work instead of a personal car. Do you know how many people die in road accidents every year? And wash the dishes with soda - do you know how many people are poisoned with household chemicals? You can go on for a long time

Even longer.
Only now all this will be sheer sophistry.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

In everyday life, there are many things you can do without. Let's say, take the bus to work instead of a personal car.

In Siberia it is cold to stand at a bus stop, and then it is sometimes cold on the bus, however ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Tank Hard

In Siberia it is cold to stand at a bus stop, and then it is sometimes cold on the bus, however ..

It is better to “stand cold at the bus stop” than “lie warmly in the ward” with a fractured skull. A citizen must be protected from encroachments on personal dignity and personal health. Here:
And protection from a drunken company, which believes that when there are more of them, they are "to the right" with the help of a firearm (whether short-barreled, whether it is traumatized below the belt) can be decided in favor of the law.
And protection from attacks by wild dogs and the same owners who believe that "their dog does not bite."
And the protection of property (apartment, summer cottage, vegetable garden, etc.) from the encroachments of various lovers of profit or "drug addicts".
There are many situations when a pistol is in your pocket and a kind word weighs more than one kind word. Only the law should be applied to everyone equally. Maybe then the traffic police officer will not shoot at a thirteen-year-old girl, or some Evsyukov will not shoot anyone in a shopping center.

[Tank hard]

Quote: ROSS 42

It is better to “stand cold at the bus stop” than “lie warmly in the ward” with a fractured skull. A citizen must be protected from encroachments on personal dignity and personal health

First, a law must be adopted that is valid, otherwise a weapon in hand will not help. Bayan theme.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: ROSS 42

There are many situations when a pistol is in your pocket and a kind word weighs more than one kind word. Only the law should be applied to everyone equally. Maybe then the traffic police officer will not shoot at a thirteen-year-old girl, or some Evsyukov will not shoot anyone in a shopping center.

How, in the situations described by you, is a firearm more effective than trauma?
Say, by the fact that "if the attacker knows that I can have a pistol, then he will not go at all"?
Will the pack of dogs know? Or a drunken company?
Buy trauma, and defend yourself as much as you like, pepper bottle again. Why exactly a firearm?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

How, in the situations described by you, is a firearm more effective than trauma?

Perhaps, with a pistol I will be able to lay down several dogs (or the leader of a wandering pack), than having a "trauma" I will stand and wonder why (as in a child's dream) the pistol shoots, and the Nazis do not fall.
In addition, there should be a law on the use of firearms, which is not developed by the deputies who are guarded in the State Duma, a personal car and a guarded house, but by those people who understand what a gun is and how they can save their own (someone else's, their loved ones) life and keep health ...
If law enforcement agencies work efficiently, and administrative laws are written not only on paper, then a citizen does not have an urgent need to carry weapons. But if...
It seems to me that with your name and patronymic, all questions are asked for "trolling" ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: ROSS 42

I will stand and wonder why (as in a child's dream) the pistol fires, but the Nazis do not fall.

Maybe because you don't hit the target?
The security officials have a standard, how often should they practice shooting?
And how often will you do this? Let's say, for the first couple of months, maybe even as many as six, until the pleasure from the weight of the pistol turns into an obsessive routine, you will regularly go to the shooting range and shoot, and when you get bored with it, and will inevitably get bored?

Where do you live, how often do you have to fight off packs of dogs, drunken companies? How often do they try to break into your apartment, or into your garden plot?

My pseudonym is from the Strugatskys' novel Lame Destiny. Just for fun.
Don't look for a black cat where there is none.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

My pseudonym is from the Strugatskys' novel Lame Destiny. Just for fun.

He mastered small arms shooting skills in a motorized rifle battalion. For the sake of raising the prestige in their own eyes. We had a tension with the shooting ... We are not security forces. I managed to make 96 out of 100 from the pistol ... I won't get squirrels in the eye from 25 meters, but you won't get up at the target either ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I’m not against pistols at all. Glocks are my old dream.
But I am very worried about the possible consequences of such permission.
And the position “I didn’t allow it, so it’s not for me to disentangle it, if anything” I consider extremely irresponsible and mean.

Thanks for the dialogue, dear. I hope we understand each other.

[Tank hard]

Quote: ROSS 42

Perhaps, with a pistol I will be able to lay down several dogs (or the leader of a wandering pack), than having a "trauma" I will stand and wonder why (like in a child's dream) the pistol shoots, and the Nazis do not fall

The problem is that the relatives of the leader of the dog you killed will find you and bite you to death. And valiant law enforcement officers are unlikely to want to notice. This is not a movie for you. Everything is simpler, tougher and scarier here. But it seems to me that you and a significant part of the visitors here do not yet understand this.

Quote: ROSS 42

In addition, there must be a law on the use of firearms,

they didn't even pass the law on self-defense, but give you about a firearm. you are naive.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Tank Hard

they didn't even pass the law on self-defense, but give you about a firearm. you are naive.

Not naive, but meticulous in the fight for justice ...

Quote: Tank Hard

that the relatives of the leader of the dog you killed will find you and bite you to death.

They won't have time ... I can shoot quickly ... I drove 6 dogs with a shocker. A 90 kV electrical discharge to the head is very effective.

[Tank hard]

Quote: ROSS 42

Not naive, but meticulous in the fight for justice ..

I posted a video here, there is a lot about justice and meticulousness, especially about the work of some police officers, enjoy watching.

[sharp-lad]

And if you remember how many people died under trains, buses, trams, horse-drawn vehicles! .... Everything is prohibited! Immediately! To the salvation of every Darwin Prize winner!

[Alex777]

They will burn less. That's for sure.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Of the traumas, every now and then they shoot at each other. And what will happen if firearms are allowed?

The attitude towards injuries is as to not a serious weapon, so to scare. And the result, depending on where you got to, is hardly predictable (from a bruise to a fatal outcome).
As they say:
"The assumption that your opponent is armed leads to mutual courtesy."

[Hagen]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Of the traumas, every now and then they shoot at each other. And what will happen if firearms are allowed?

More than 6 million of our fellow citizens have in their personal use hunting weapons, both smooth-bore and rifled. Do you often hear that it was used in showdowns and in family scandals?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

It is inconvenient to carry a hunting one, and a heavy one does not fit into your pocket.

[Hagen]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

It is inconvenient to carry a hunting one, and a heavy one does not fit into your pocket.

Sorry, but you are talking nonsense. 75 - 80% of murders are committed on a domestic basis. Not on the street, but at home. There is no need to go anywhere, everything is at hand, but, nevertheless, with the use of a firearm, especially a rifled one, it is the smallest.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Let's go without rudeness.
Did it ever occur to you that some more “street people” will be added to this 70-80 percent?

[Hagen]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Let's go without rudeness.

I actually apologized.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Did it ever occur to you that some more “street people” will be added to this 70-80 percent?

If at home smooth barrels do not fire, then why should the barrels registered in the Interior Ministry's bullet-case library start firing on the street?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Hagen

If at home smooth barrels do not fire, then why should the barrels registered in the Interior Ministry's bullet-case library start firing on the street?

For the same reason that traumas are now shooting.
But injuries are not considered by many to be a real weapon, therefore, it can be assumed that there will be more people wishing to acquire a firearm than a traumatic one. The number of applications will increase accordingly.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

For the same reason that traumas are now shooting.

Injuries do not lend themselves to the same degree of control as full-fledged firearms. Plus, the attitude towards him is completely different - it will be enough to drag the pistol on his belt at least a little, and to understand that for its loss or misuse, landing on the "bottle of justice" will follow.

[Kot_Kuzya]

... If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories, then an ORSIS similar in characteristics will cost about 100 thousand.

You can buy a 308 caliber saiga for 40 thousand, but this plastic pistol is sold for 200 thousand? Hmmm, big money Glock makes money selling pistols.
The funny ones in Orsis, the world market is oversaturated with the supply of weapons. The only way to make money on selling a pistol is to allow short-barreled civilian weapons in Russia.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

and this plastic pistol is being sold for 200 thousand? Hmmm, big money Glock makes money selling pistols.

The point is not in the Glock, but in the peculiarities of the Russian market. In the US, say, it costs between $ 500 and $ 800, depending on the model. We import such weapons only for shooting galleries, in scanty lots, and therefore the price tag is horse.

[hhurik]

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/centerfire-pistol#facet:-700000000000000001557109109,-70000000000000000677110811199107&productBeginIndex:0&facetLimit:&orderBy:&pageView:grid&minPrice:&maxPrice:&pageSize:&

Orsis, by the way, had previously fabricated these Glocks and AR-ki - for hundreds of thousands of rubles. Type, screwdriver assembly, Russian production - you can sell it to the military and other security officials. Sawing is essentially an office.

[Kalmar]

Quote: hhurik

Orsis, by the way, had previously fabricated these Glocks and AR-ki - exactly for hundreds of thousands of rubles

So there really is a piece production. A manually assembled Glock will cost as much as an airplane wing in the States. It would be a mass production - it would be a different story.

[hhurik]

In the sense - piece? EMNIP, in the AR-kahs they only fabricated their own barrels. Well, like their own: they were cut out with American machines from American forms, everything else was bought almost on ebay and collected on the knee in the basement. And Glocks in general were entirely screwdriver. This is a classic sawing: re-sticking labels, not on Chinese electronics, but on weapons.

[Pessimist22]

How many have already developed these pistols are countless, according to reviews, and here including, the workmanship is at a low level. Let's say they do what? Should they replace those already replaced or sell them in the West?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Pessimist22

How many have already developed these pistols are countless, according to reviews, including here, the workmanship is at a low level

Well, ORSIS, according to rumors, more or less monitors the quality of products, so that a good product may well turn out.

[Kurare]

ORSIS specializes in precision products, i.e. in fact - a piece product. And here - mass production. In addition, you can only reduce the price of a product, improve quality and survive "childhood illnesses" if you have a serious contract for the supply of a good batch of the product.

The same Glock also did not immediately become what it is now. But large parties, for example, the Austrian army or the police, helped them go from good to trendsetter. By the way, not the last role, oddly enough, was played in the popularity of Hollywood.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Kurare

And here - mass production.

All the same, less stringent requirements for manufacturing accuracy are imposed on the pistol. And their production will not be very large-scale due to the lack of a market: no one will give army contracts, say, to ORSIS. There remain separate power units and athletes who obviously will not buy tens of thousands of pistols. In general, there will be a day - there will be food, let them try, maybe it will work out.

[Kurare]

Quote: Kalmar

In general, there will be a day - there will be food, let them try, maybe it will work out.

ORSIS is a private company, they know better which developments to invest in. If there is no "exhaust", the investment is empty.

[Pessimist22]

Former Deputy Prime Minister of the military-industrial complex founded the company from scratch with his son Russia is a country of equal opportunities

[Kurare]

Quote: Pessimist22

Russia is a country of equal opportunities

Everyone has their own lobbyists. Opportunities are equal, but for some people the opportunities are a bit "equal"

[Alexfly]

If the country has enough shooting galleries, shooting ranges, not only departmental, but also private. And amateur shooting will be allowed (once or twice a week to go shoot, etc.), then people will buy weapons with pleasure, I think so. And this will give an impulse to development, both for weapons and supplies for them, new cartridges, bullets, gunpowder, calibers, otherwise everything is spinning in one place ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: AlexFly

And amateur shooting will be allowed

It is so permitted. Actually, this is the only reason why the civilian segment of the military-industrial complex and the military-industrial complex is still afloat even after the export was shut off. Even TOZ, they say, is thinking of taking up civilian products again.

Here are shooting galleries and shooting ranges, yes, not enough. Plus, cartridges are not cheap (with the new EMERCOM rules it will be even worse). And it's just that very many people in our time are simply not very interested in the topic of shooting. We add common myths about how difficult it is to get the necessary certificates and how the district police officer will come in every day with a check - and these are all the prerequisites for low demand.

[Ros 56]

Well, what the hell is he needed? Money or time, nowhere to go?

[Obliterator]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, what the hell is he needed? Money or time, nowhere to go?

If you personally do not need it, it does not mean that no one needs it. If they decide to spend money on development, then they believe that there is a target audience, and sufficient.

[Ros 56]

First, who are they? What an office, except for the abbreviation nothing
Second, it is not known whose money they are spending, it would be better if the children were treated, and not begged for treatment on TV.
Third, we have made this weapon, the warehouses are full, and if there is such a need for the specialists, we would buy as much as they need, one hundred, two hundred, five hundred barrels.
Developing a weapon costs a lot of money.
Yes, and I did not see the justification for the need for this development in the article. To show that we are not worse, because the whole world knows about this that our weapons are one of the best, if not the best.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Ros 56

First, who are they? What an office, except for the abbreviation nothing
Second, it is not known whose money they are spending, it would be better if the children were treated, and not begged for treatment on TV.

Quote: Ros 56

Developing a weapon costs a lot of money.

http://www.orsis.com/company/brand/
Stop counting other people's money.

Quote: Ros 56

Third, we have made this weapon, the warehouses are full, and if there is such a need for the specialists, we would buy as much as they need, one hundred, two hundred, five hundred barrels.

The purchase of weapons abroad does not meet the interests of Russia - this is the first thing. The target audience of ORSIS products is special. units, shooting ranges, hunters and athletes. And the special forces that are in the warehouses do not need it for nothing, since they are bought in glocks, and civilian and state property cannot be seen at all. This is the second.

[Alexfly]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[Tank hard]

Quote: AlexFly

Hahahahahahahahaha

The most objective commentary.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

the retail price in the Russian market of the Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles

EPT, guys, I'm in the store!

[Tank hard]

Why not just adopt the Glock? Why all this fuss around? They want to accept one, then another, then a third? But the questions are rhetorical. Make money with all their might ..

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

Why not just adopt the Glock?

He seems to be foreign, i.e. it cannot be accepted officially so simply. Plus there are all sorts of sanctions.

Quote: Tank Hard

Why all this fuss around? They want to accept one, then another, then a third?

And the article does not say about the adoption. It's just that a private company decided to try to create their own pistol. And there it goes.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

He seems to be foreign, i.e. it cannot be accepted officially so simply. Plus there are all sorts of sanctions.

A question of desire and money.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

A question of desire and money.

According to rumors, "whoever needs it" - those already use "Glocks". Just not very formal;)

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

According to rumors, "whoever needs it" - those already use "Glocks". Just not very formal;)

God-godly, Caesar-Caesar, the muzhik-plow. To each his own.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Tank Hard

Why not just adopt the Glock?

Or it is possible in general to transfer NATO's security functions. Why is NATO bad? Why sculpt your army, invent, so to speak, a bicycle?
So, what, it turns out?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Or, in general, NATO can transfer the functions of ensuring the country's security. Why is NATO bad?

Duc wanted like, but NATO refused.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Why sculpt your army, invent, so to speak, a bicycle?
So, what, it turns out?

Yes, you can generally fight with a Berdan gun, but why, reliable, braces, again ..

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Tank Hard

you can even fight with a Berdan

If you rely on the purchase of weapons from "partners", without bothering about your own production, then, it is not even an hour, you will have to fight with the Berdanks in a hard time.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

If you rely on the purchase of weapons from "partners", without bothering about your own production, then, it is not even an hour, you will really have to fight with Berdanks.

So far, I don’t see the food independence of the Russian Federation from partners, just like I don’t see the civil aircraft industry, the automotive industry and other things like that. The import substitution program has failed. How can you fight the enemy with modern weapons if you depend on him for food? Hurray, you need to shout not for any reason, but at the right time and with the awareness of your superiority. IMHO.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Tank Hard

I do not see civil aircraft construction, car structures and other things like that

But you see people going to make a gun. And then you suggest that they not do this, but buy everything in the west. As far as I understand, you are happy that you "do not see" all of the above and you would like this situation to only worsen?

Quote: Tank Hard

Hurray, we must shout

"Hurray" here, apparently, only a strange voice in your head screams. Show him for that, what does the surrounding people have to do with it?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

But you see people going to make a gun. And then you suggest them not to do this, but to buy everything in the west

Do it first, judge it later. Just chatter for now.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

And then you suggest that they not do this, but buy everything in the west.

When will they make their own, not inferior to Glock? I’ll be glad, but I don’t see. I always believed that we should take the best for our own benefit and not sit with a stone ax in hand, even if it is your own and beloved. After all, there are already steel axes nearby.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

As far as I understand, you are happy that you "do not see" all of the above, and would you like this situation to only get worse?

You do not understand and do not see, but you have the right to an opinion. As I am on mine.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

"Hurray" here, apparently, only a strange voice in your head screams. Show him for that, what does the surrounding people have to do with it?

I go through a psychologist and psychotherapist every year. Do not pass off your wishful thinking.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Tank Hard

First do

So are you against trying to do something on your own?

Quote: Tank Hard

psychologist and psychotherapist every year I go

Think, for example, of the stories when the owners of the firearms staged massacres. All of them, it seems, passed by too ... It's better to keep an eye out, as they say.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

So are you against trying to do something on your own?

You are engaged in substitution of concepts, trying to make me guilty of something to which I have nothing to do. Just answer, is there a pistol in the Russian Federation that is not inferior to the Glock? Which one? Why, then, the topic of Glock is being discussed in the context of the adoption of a pistol by the Russian Federation, if there is one that is not inferior? In the meantime, only some kind of demagoguery on your part.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Think, for example, of the stories when the owners of the firearms staged mass slaughter. All of them, too, seemed to pass.

again the substitution of concepts ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

Yes, you can generally fight with a Berdan gun, but why, a reliable one

So, people are making their own suitability to replace the conventional "Berdan", and without any NATO) Even the existing PYa, if you look at it, is not so bad, especially now, when they learned how to make cartridges and KK their production (especially OTK) tidied up a little.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

Even the existing PYa, if you look at it, is not so bad, especially now, when they learned how to make cartridges, and KK their production

Really not inferior to the Glock in everything? And if they are not inferior, why is the topic of glock being discussed in the context of the adoption of a pistol by the Russian Federation?

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

Really not inferior to the Glock in everything?

They are inferior in weight and dimensions, gain in price - this is if we talk about PYa. There is no ideal. If we do not forget that we began to seriously engage in the design of pistols only recently, things are not so bad.

Quote: Tank Hard

And if they are not inferior, why is the topic of glock being discussed in the context of the adoption of a pistol by the Russian Federation?

And by whom is it being discussed in this context? In the article, let's say, not a word about it. So the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in this regard have already made a choice, adopting the PYa. Which, however, does not prohibit taking something else: why not have different pistols for different tasks?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

Which, however, does not prohibit taking something else: why not have different pistols for different tasks?

Well, yes, the rich have their quirks.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Tank Hard

Well yes, the rich have their quirks

It's not a quirk. It's just that the security forces are moving away from the old striving for total unification: automatic rifle - AK, pistol - PM, rifle - SVD, and so on for all occasions. Now they are trying to select a tool for the task more.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Kalmar

It's not a quirk. It's just that the security forces are moving away from the old striving for total unification: automatic rifle - AK, pistol - PM, rifle - SVD, and so on for all occasions. Now they are trying to select a tool for the task more.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. The budget is like that of the United States, why not choose each city police department their favorite brand of pistol?

[senima56]

Everyone who is in the subject notes the good quality of the new MPYA!

[Tank hard]

Quote: hhurik

The Glock is rumored to fail military tests that PM easily passes. EMNIP, something with failures and destruction of the frame in the cold. Domestic armor-piercing 9x19 in the standard configuration can digest no more than 200 pieces.

Honestly, not an expert in this matter, so some time ago I asked a question here on the forum about plastic glock and frost, because I personally knew how easily plastics fly away in the cold. interested in this issue. But here they convinced me that everything was in order with this. I only held the PM in my hands and another 92 times. But I didn't like the Beretta, even for my XL size palm, the handle of the Beretta turned out to be too big and not comfortable, and the PM is quite enough.

[Linxs]

If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories

Maybe you should look at the retail price in Austria and Europe?
Was in Bulgaria this year and the cost of the Glock 17 in the store was 600-650 euros = 60000 rubles.
And this is at retail from a reseller.
Why and which one to go from is guided by the price of 200 rubles?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

In the States, they say, 600-700 bucks. But that is absolutely for a complete "base". A bit fancy - already at times more expensive.

[Linxs]

Everything is on the official website. The average price for a pistol is 600 dollars / euro.
What modifications are you talking about? The collimator version costs 20% more.
What else are you going to modify?
The pulling force of the hook changes for 300 rubles.
3 clips come from the box.
Do you want to put a muzzle brake? But why?
200000 rubles price for the standard version.
Maybe it is worth looking at the real price of the supplier, and not the price of outbid Chubais?
When wholesale, I am sure that the price will drop to 450-500 dollars / euro = 40000 rubles.
And now a question. Is it worth developing a new pistol for 100 rubles if the Glock (reliable) costs 000?
Did you shoot from the Glock?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

what else are you going to modify?

I? Modify? What are you talking about?
The article compares with the "ceiling" on the Russian market. It clearly says:

the price of the Glock pistol in the Russian market reaches 200

The keyword is in bold. I point out that the price “reaches” such values ​​is not at all for those Glocks that cost $ 600 in the states. In addition to what you have listed, there is a lot more: a lighter shutter, an improved release, and so on, so on. And this really catches up the price several times.

It seems that everything is very clear. Is not it so?

[Linxs]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Keyword in bold

And then you did not notice the elephant (in my first message):

Glock reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories

Upgrades cost 3-4 $. ;)

Lightweight shutter? Hmm ... why? I asked you for a reason. Did you shoot from the Glock? :)
The only thing that is catching up on the price is two things:

1. The trunk itself
2. Installation of collimators on the bolt carrier.

But this is all a marafet, which in 99% of cases is needed by athletes or special units.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

Upgrades cost 3-4 $

200 rubles? A pack of cigarettes costs 200 rubles today.
I don't quite understand why we need this immersion in the world of your colorful fantasies?

[Linxs]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

200 rubles? A pack of cigarettes costs 200 rubles today.

Yes. It costs so much.
Google to the rescue.
Here is a part to ease the descent. There are different efforts. Up to super-light 1lbs then 5-7lbs and above.

Detail about 2cm in size. Weight no more than 5g.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

part to facilitate the descent

In the video I attached, you can see that even the trigger of the "custom" Glock itself may differ from the standard one. Plus, if the pistol is already on sale with installed third-party parts, then someone installed them there, and this fact cannot but affect the cost. Thus, the cost of your one separately taken part speaks only of how much this improvement could cost in a budget version, but not in any way about how much an improvement of this mechanism might cost in the maximum version. Let me remind you, we are discussing the "maximum" options actually offered on the market (both here and there).
You can buy a halogen lamp for a wheelbarrow (although it is illegal), or you can buy a completely halogen headlight with appropriate optics. It is impossible to argue that the first (the cheapest option) is the same as the second (more expensive option)

[Linxs]

I give up. Surrender.

[2 Level Advisor]

but there is an opportunity to sell the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for 100000, as a domestic development .. it is not for nothing that the gender is talking about 200000, he certainly knows that the purchase of GLOK is $ 500

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

What else

Here is a video straight to the topic. I put the beginning on the desired piece (4:24). There is also about the price.

[Linxs]

Original article:

If the retail price on the Russian market of the Glock pistol reaches 200 thousands rubles without additional accessories

Title of your video:

Is the competitive Glock reliable

I don’t understand. Are you on purpose or on purpose?
Do you understand the difference WITHOUT ADDITIONAL accessories and COMPETITIVE?
I hope you also understand that in the competitive glock only the name remains from the glock?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

Do you understand the difference WITHOUT ADDITIONAL accessories and COMPETITIVE?

It's funny that you yourself almost voiced the necessary question. After all, there is a definite difference between a "competitive" Glock and a Glock "with additional accessories".
Do you think of it yourself, or suggest?

[Linxs]

Do you think of it yourself, or suggest?

Advice please.
Barrel replacement is an optional accessory?
Is the replacement of the bolt carrier an additional accessory or a deep rework of the device mechanism? (hi guarantee pass).

Replacing the barrel, bolt carrier, trigger mechanism, are these additional accessories the same as an additional clip or grip pad? (by the way, they are completely free of charge from the manufacturer).


Well, a combo. What do you think the manufacturer says about your "accessories" and the warranty if you replace the barrel and slide?

If these are additional accessories, then there should be no problems with the guarantee. Right?

With the use of an additional magazine and additional overlays on the handle, the CANCEL of the warranty does not cause This is 100%.
But what about your "additional accessories"? :)

Well, for all tankers.

And what does the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation say about additional accessories and changes in the design of the weapon with "such" additional accessories (replacement of the barrel, replacement of the bolt carrier, etc.?) :)
And what does the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation say about replacing the lining on the handle?


It is not necessary to pass off the replacement of the barrel, the bolt mechanism, the frame as "additional accessories". Don't be cunning. At least for yourself, don't be cunning.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: LinxS

Help please

Let me have a couple of images?
If you take the viburnum fret and throw the engine out of it, replacing it with some three-hundred-horsepower unit, then calling the new motor just an accessory for the viburnum fret would be wrong.
Or slightly from the other side. The wing for the VAZ 1 is an accessory. And for a Formula XNUMX car?
An accessory can be called an object, the removal (not replacement, namely, removal) of which from the structure does not lead to the loss of the latter of its main (laid down in the design) functionality. Removing a three-hundred-strong engine from the viburnum will lead to the fact that it stupidly ceases to be a car, completely losing the ability to move independently (the main functionality). Removing the wing from the seven will not deprive the seven of the main functions. Removing the rear wing from the formula car will deprive it of some of the capabilities laid down by the designers during the design.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Is this video about the fact that the Glock disassembled a person's bowel movement?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

I wrote a video on the topic. The question is well covered

[UAZ 452]

And this is like a sale in our stores: on the eve of the sly the price tag rises above reasonable, and on the day of the sale with a pomp it "saws" at least twice, up to the real price. Having announced the price of a competitor at 200 thousand, you can not squeeze much in the cost of development, production, and it will still be cheaper.
However, a small-scale product will never be cheaper (with the same quality) than a mass-produced one.

[Alexander X]

All innovative solutions in Glock are protected by patents. Orsis will buy patents? If yes, then the price of the new pistol will not differ much from the Glock ... And if a new design is created, then the reputation must also be won ... And this is for many years ... IMHO ...
It's good that the development is carried out by a private company for its own money, as I think. If a decent product is created, it will be possible to adopt ...

[Galleon]

If the creators manage to come close to the quality of the original: corrosion resistance, pistol resource of 300000 shots (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock), this can only be pleasantly surprised and in the future rely on the manufacturer as the industry leader. With such a bold statement, only a fool can limit himself to using polymers. I don't think there are any in Orsis.

[UAZ 452]

Was in Bulgaria this year and the cost of the Glock 17 in the store was 600-650 euros = 60000 rubles.
And this is at retail from a reseller.
Why and which one to go from is guided by the price of 200 rubles?

And this is like a sale in our stores: on the eve of the sly the price tag rises above reasonable, and on the day of the sale with a pomp it "saws" at least twice, up to the real price. Having announced the price of a competitor at 200 thousand, you can not squeeze much in the cost of development, production, and it will still be cheaper.
However, a small-scale product will never be cheaper (with the same quality) than a mass-produced one.

[Linxs]

I agree.
I would like to add that in the "new" Glocks 19x, 44, etc. there are no fundamental improvements.
The difference in the return spring is 4 and 5 gene. The basis, as it was, and remained.
Glock conquered the world with quality and quantity and, accordingly, reduced the cost of producing 1 unit to a minimum. Well done. And once they made pots.
Well, the quality of the Austrian table is beyond doubt. And it's worth a lot.

[Sergio66]

Well, about the quality, there are also ... nuances
https://youtu.be/NPof9IjXiCY?t=105

[Linxs]

More than 5000 cartridges were fired from the glock.
0 misfires.
0 overlaps or seizures.

[hhurik]

It's not true, they have regular plastic rear sight and front sight - poop. Give tritium or phosphor to each barrel for the same price!

[Linxs]

In 19X, the rear sight and front sight are metal with a phosphor.
Tritium is "banned" in the EU (paradox) and companies use cheap eco-analogues. But you can buy a third-party tritium front sight without any problems.

[hhurik]

Trigicon set (front sight + rear sight with tritium) costs 140-150 bucks (with the price of a pestle 500-600 bucks). At the same time, it shines dimly for 12 years, and can suddenly die due to inaccurate lubrication with chemically active substances. It's a shame for that kind of money.

[Operator]

A promising Russian pistol should be completely metal, since glass-filled polyamide cracks at -40 degrees Celsius.

Precision steel casting is our everything
https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/117/2649090.html

[Tank hard]

Quote: Operator

A promising Russian pistol should be completely metal, since glass-filled polyamide cracks at -40 degrees Celsius

I asked here on the forum a question about this, they said that everything is okay with the Glock in this matter.

[Operator]

Handbooks on polyamide do not agree with O'Key - they indicate the lower limit of the operating temperature of minus 30 degrees Celsius. With various temperature additives, it can be lowered to minus 40, but no more.

On the other hand, polyamide is also hygroscopic (absorbs up to 5% moisture), as a result, if you hold the Glock for several hours in a room with high humidity (tent), and then take it out to a 30-degree frost, the internal moisture will further embrittle the polyamide, regardless of the presence of various additives in its composition.

Therefore, the US Army is still armed with aluminum M16 automatic rifles and steel Beretta pistols. Glocks are purchased by the US military at their own expense and are used in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries and natural areas with a warm climate. By the way, the Scandinavian Peninsula, washed by the Gulf Stream and where various "Arctic" exercises of NATO countries are held, is also distinguished by winter temperatures that do not fall below -30 degrees.

Now there are heat-resistant hyrophobic polymers such as polyesters and polyphenylene sulfides, but they are more expensive than polyamide, and in the context of fixed contract prices for army small arms, its manufacturers are in no hurry to switch to more expensive plastics.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Operator

Handbooks on polyamide do not agree with O'Key - they indicate the lower limit of the operating temperature of minus 30 degrees Celsius. With various temperature additives, it can be lowered to minus 40, but no more.

On the other hand, polyamide is also hygroscopic (absorbs up to 5% moisture), as a result, if you hold the Glock for several hours in a room with high humidity (tent), and then take it out to a 30-degree frost, the internal moisture will further embrittle the polyamide, regardless of the presence of various additives in its composition.

Therefore, the US Army is still armed with aluminum M16 automatic rifles and steel Beretta pistols. Glocks are purchased by the US military at their own expense and are used in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries and natural areas with a warm climate. By the way, the Scandinavian Peninsula, washed by the Gulf Stream and where various "Arctic" exercises of NATO countries are held, is also distinguished by winter temperatures that do not fall below -30 degrees.

Now there are heat-resistant hyrophobic polymers such as polyesters and polyphenylene sulfides, but they are more expensive than polyamide, and in the context of fixed contract prices for army small arms, its manufacturers are in no hurry to switch to more expensive plastics.

Duc, I'm not arguing with that. I always say truthfully that I am not very competent in this matter, and since it is curious to know the answer, I ask individuals. It's the individuals who say okay. Again, I asked a question on the forum about this. convinced that everything is fine with it. Personally, I was carrying bags of junk on the business of my Siberian conditions, I changed all the plastic fittings to metal. for it was stupidly breaking. That is why I do not understand this merry-go-round (although it is clear that the money must be mastered) with the invention of the "best service pistol". Well, if the Glock is really the best, why not adopt it? Why fence gardens? And if not the best, then what is it for? And here I have forum "analysts". about NATO, my mental consistency, the recent construction of pistols in Russia (as if they were not designed under the tsars). In general, they amaze me with their intelligence, stupid me.

[Linxs]

In the USA, Europe there are no such temperatures in 99%. The market dictates the characteristics and quality of the product.
Can an Austrian firm make a pistol for -40? Easily.
How much is it? This is a good question.
Why make a pistol for -40 in countries where less than -10 has not been seen, and some have not seen 0? There is no need. We make production cheaper, but if necessary - call. Special order and your pistol;)

[K-50]

If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories, then ORSIS, similar in characteristics, will cost about 100 thousand.

The price is just insane and unfounded.
If "Kalash" on the American market cost around $ 1000, which is about $ 70 at the current exchange rate, then a much less material-intensive pistol cannot cost one and a half times more. Even at a "reduced" price.
On the face of the desire to "grab money" for a product with a presumably high demand.

[Incvizitor]

Something the prices for pistols have gone up now.

[senima56]

What? ORSIS will do it! Good luck to them!

[Plowman]

It's always like this. This pistol is already 50 years old, and we have just started developing an analogue.

[zwlad]

We will catch up and overtake the Glock!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Even if someone made or will make a gun better than the Glock, there will still be dissatisfied. For me and PM, it normally finds targets, but someone does not have enough magazine for 20 rounds, this is normal. Once in Primorye they drove a killer tiger, a cop with a Kalash climbed a tree out of fright, according to his notions of a tiger it is not possible to kill a Kalash.

[Petro_tut]

If the retail price in the Russian market for a Glock pistol reaches 200 thousand rubles without additional accessories,

Did I miss something? When did our short-barrels go on the free sale? Or is it news from an alternate reality?

[Adimius38]

Most likely this is a parallel universe.

[pereselenec]

Development of a new pistol similar to Glock has begun in Russia

Those. will it have analogues in the world?

[Adimius38]

all nonsense, since it is impossible to buy

[Macsen_wledig]

One question: WHY? :)

[bunta]

Another Glock killer. How do you like Dmitry Lebedev and Dmitry Streshinsky?

[acetophenon]

It is a pity that in our country it is impossible to ask (or rather, it is possible, but in vain) law enforcement officers to protect our rights with pistols for 20-30 thousand, and not for 100 tons. I don't think that with the new pistols my rights will be protected 3-4 times better by my police.

[Alexfly]

What does Makarov not like? 730 grams and no problem ... You can probably change the store ...