Coats of arms: form and content

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Coats of arms: form and content
An example of the coat of arms, which contains all the elements, except for the mantle, is the coat of arms of Queen Elizabeth II. And he is also the coat of arms of Great Britain. It was approved back in 1837. The crest in this coat of arms is a crowned leopard. Crown - Saint Edward the Confessor. Shield holders - a crowned lion and a unicorn. The base is green grass with Tudor roses. The shield contains the coats of arms of England, Scotland and Ireland. Around the shield is the Order of the Garter belt. Below is the motto inscribed on the ribbon: "God and my right."


In various ways the powers
Coats of arms decorated their own.
Here is a leopard, two-headed eagle
And a lion standing on its hind legs.
This was the old custom,
To the state emblems
Threatened neighbors face animal
The grin of all your teeth.

S. Marshak "Our coat of arms"

Coats of arms and heraldry. Today we will get acquainted with the basis of the foundations - all the components of the coat of arms, of which, as it turned out, there are quite a few. Let's start with the most important thing - the shield, which is the basis of any coat of arms. The shape of the shield could differ in different centuries. And besides, like everything else, it changed depending on the fashion. The shields of the first knightly coats of arms were very simple. But the shields on the coats of arms of the Baroque era are pretentious.



What should the correct coat of arms consist of?


The shield is usually topped with a knight's helmet. The helmet is covered with a basting - a piece of fabric, fancifully cut with curls, with which in the past knights wrapped their helmet so that it would not get very hot in the sun.

Above the helmet is a kleinod and a crown. Kleinod is a helmet-mounted decoration, and a helmet can be with a crown and without a kleinode, only with a kleinode. Or it can carry both the crown and the kleinod. On the helmets of royal persons, the shield can be located on the mantle, which may well be overshadowed by another crown.

The shield may have a base on which the shield holders stand. And here the fantasy of the armigers (that is, the coat of arms, as well as their heralds) is simply endless. They can be naked men with clubs, and monks with swords in their hands (by the way, we will definitely tell about the state with this emblem and how it appeared in one of the following materials), lions, unicorns and zebras .. That is whoever kept the coat of arms was not entrusted!

Finally, below the coat of arms, there is a ribbon on which the motto is written. For the Scots, such a ribbon (usually a knight's belt with a buckle) goes around the coat of arms itself.


And here is the coat of arms of Germany in 1871. Here, as we can see, there is a mantle trimmed with ermine tails. As many as two crowns. Two banners with emblems, and for some reason knightly spears serve as their shafts. But the funniest thing is the supporters: two naked men in skirts made of oak leaves. What were they supposed to symbolize? The original savagery of the German nation? Or that the ancient Germans were like that, they lived in the forests among the oaks and made themselves "belts" in the fashion "from Adam"?

Shields in battle and as an element of decor


The shape of the shield was initially absolutely functional: it was a knightly combat shield in the shape of an "iron". It was convenient to fence with such a shield. It was not too heavy and at the same time served as a good protection for its owner. Now the shield did not need to be long and cover the leg. Legs at the end of the XII-XIII centuries. began to defend chain mail highway.

Then the coat of arms acquired the characteristic form of a tournament shield. It was a specific form. In battle, such shields were not used, but for tournaments it was "just that".

In the XNUMXth century, heraldic shields completely lost their "combat form", acquired pretentious edges, curls. In short, they no longer looked like an element of combat equipment. The women had rhombic shields.

And in Russia, after Peter the Great, shields with a small tip at the bottom spread. They were used both as shields for city coats of arms and shields for nobles.


These are the forms of heraldic shields in Europe from the XII to the XIX century. Illustration from Stephen Slater's book “Heraldry. Illustrated Encyclopedia ", Eksmo, 2006, S. 55.


The miniature from the Codex Manes, which depicts the knight and minnesinger Rudolf von Rothenburg, just shows us a typical knight's shield in the shape of an “iron” with the coat of arms of a castle with two towers on a gold field.


And here is another coat of arms - "iron". Moreover, with an extremely interesting "plot": a chessboard and three waterskins. The first indicates that the fate of the owner of the coat of arms is entirely in the hands of the Almighty, who sends him both joys and sorrows. Well, the waterskins are a direct allusion to participation in the crusades and a strong thirst. This coat of arms is depicted on the pommel of a sword weighing 226,8 g. The sword, judging by the coat of arms, should have belonged to Pierre de Dre, Duke of Brittany and Count of Richmond in 1240–1250. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York.

Here we will slightly move away from the actual heraldic theme. To remember how kleinods appeared on the helmets of knights, which then migrated to the coat of arms.

Note that the main disadvantage of the helmets of the early XNUMXth century was insignificant face protection. Therefore, at the end of the XNUMXth century, the so-called "pot helmet" was created from a helmet reinforced with metal plates in front and behind.


Knight's helmets with helmet decorations. Figure: A. Shepsa

Helmet from the Vienna Armory


The mid-XNUMXth century helmet shown below in the photo is so heavy that it was probably only used as a tournament helmet. It is riveted from two anterior and two posterior plates, as well as a flat round parietal plate.

This helmet has good face protection. But it is she who gives him the appearance of an inverted "pot" or "bucket". However, this protection had a limited field of view. Knights in potted helmets could only see their surroundings through narrow viewing slits. There was also insufficient breathing air.

The Vienna helmet shown in the photo is to be regarded as a particularly valuable piece. Because of the dozen surviving helmets of this type, only this and the Black Prince's Canterbury helmet are really well preserved.

And, of course, even more significance is given to it by the Kleinod, called the zimier. It looks like something monumental and durable. Although such ornaments were made of wood, leather or parchment and did not have much strength. So the zimier of this helmet has the shape of huge bull horns. But in fact, they are empty inside and weigh very little.

It survived only because it hung over the hereditary burial of the Styrian von Pranch family in the Augustinian monastery in Zekau. And for the imperial armory the chamber was acquired only in 1878. It is believed that its original owner could have been Albert von Pranch, whose seal from 1353 shows us almost such a potted helmet.


Helmet of Albert von Pranch 1350 New Castle. Court Hunting and Armory Chamber. Vein.


Helmet with a helmet lining and a kleinod in the form of the coat of arms of the Duke of Wroclaw and Krakow, Henry IV Probus (Produs). OK. 1305-1340. "Manessica Code". Heidelberg University Library. Heidelberg. Baden-Württemberg. Germany.


And what kind of Kleinods on helmets is not found on the pages of medieval heralds. For example, Huldenberg's coat of arms. This is a Flemish heraldic manuscript of the 2006th century, showing us a very whimsical and funny helmet-mounted kleinods. Illustration from Stephen Slater's book “Heraldry. Illustrated Encyclopedia ". Eksmo. 57 S. XNUMX.

By the way, the helmet in heraldry was not drawn from the head. That is, at first - yes. If you want a helmet, you have a helmet on. And then, somewhere from 1500, instructions appeared on how to draw a helmet correctly in order to reflect the rank of the owner of the coat of arms.

The rules were different in different countries. So, in England a helmet with gold rods, but only the highest aristocrats could have a silver one. Gentry (small landed nobility) could only have a closed helmet. And the baronets - with an open visor. These were the subtleties that mattered.

Coats of arms on pavises


Over time, the coat of arms began to be depicted not only on knightly shields, but also on easel shields-paveses, which were used by crossbowmen. But these were not their own coats of arms. And the coats of arms of the cities that hired them and gave them such shields.

They were made of wood. Covered with leather or linen. Primed and painted with paints.

The middle rib of the pavese was a U-shaped protrusion and gave space for the hand holding the shield. There was also a T-shaped bone handle.

It is believed that the country of origin of the pavese could have been Lithuania. Then this shield became popular in Bohemia during the Hussite wars. And it spread to Eastern Europe and Germany as an effective means of protecting the late medieval infantry.


Paveza with the coat of arms of the city of Schongau, Bavaria. Metropolitan Museum. New York.

As already noted, there was no room on the battle shield for either helmet ornaments or supporters. All this appeared later, when they began to decorate the walls of castles, furniture, and also place them on the pages of books with coats of arms. So over time, the coats of arms became more and more complex.


Coat of arms of the African state of Botswana. In addition to purely national symbols on the coat of arms, zebras are its supporters.

To be continued ...
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  1. +9
    13 December 2020 05: 05
    Dear Author, thank you very much for this material. Very interesting, informative.
    1. +1
      13 December 2020 05: 13
      Metropolitan Museum. New York
      how many Americans took to their place ... thieves ...
      1. +12
        13 December 2020 05: 58
        Quote: Aerodrome
        how many Americans took to their place ... thieves ...

        Don't write without knowing. Most of the collections of this museum are gifts from citizens. Moreover, the "passport" of the artifact indicates who presented it and when, and many gifts were made before the 2nd World War. The rest were purchased at auctions, about which there are also records and it is written in them that ... also in the 20-30s. And then there was peace. I have not seen artifacts dated 45-49. You are quite capable of entering the museum's website and viewing them in the artifact reference materials.
        1. +3
          13 December 2020 06: 10
          dear Vyacheslav, will you assert that the plundering of Iraq is also a "gift" of the good citizens of Iraq? Or is it "trophies" considered? Note that I spoke in general and not in particular about the Metropolitan.
          1. +7
            13 December 2020 06: 16
            Why write about Iraq when we have photos of artifacts from the Metropolitan Museum in our article? You wrote that you "took out" and anyone who will read your commentary under these materials will tell you that without a doubt you mean the exhibits of this museum. If you wanted to say about something else - please explain what exactly. Well, at least this: "I looked at the exhibits of the Met and thought about how the Americans robbed a museum in Baghdad. Ooh, bastards!" This will be clearer in every respect.
            1. +1
              13 December 2020 07: 09
              Quote: kalibr
              If you wanted to say something else - please explain what exactly. Well, at least this way: "I looked at the exhibits of the Metropolitan and thought about how the Americans robbed a museum in Baghdad. Ooh, bastards!" This will be clearer in every respect.

              I agree, was not accurate ... request
              1. +6
                13 December 2020 07: 43
                Well, it doesn't matter! By the way, I did find an exhibit dating back to 1942. This is a rondash shield (very beautiful), but it came as a donation from a certain Stephen V. It's a pity it is not specified who it is and where it came from. Here's how! Here you are at war, and the counts (well, who else? Dukes?) Donate shields to the museum ...
                1. +8
                  13 December 2020 11: 42
                  but he received it as a gift from a certain Stephen V. It's a pity it is not specified who it is and where it came from.
                  In this case, "V" is not the Roman "five," but the Latin letter "V" - Stephen Vincent Grancsay, curator of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's armor collection. Years of life - 1929 - 1964.
                  Author of classic studies on weapons and armor.
                  1. +3
                    13 December 2020 12: 54
                    Bravo, Viktor Nikolaevich!
                    And I already began to think about the reality of the "time machine" laughing
                  2. +3
                    13 December 2020 17: 26
                    Victor Nikolaevich, the site loses 50% without you. Even though you like to add tar to honey. How many interesting things you add;
            2. BAI
              +2
              13 December 2020 20: 32
              The robbery can be carried out culturally:
              In 1906, the archaeologists of the Museum began their work in Egypt, and over a period of thirty years of work, they collected half of the Egyptian collection, which today is presented in forty galleries in chronological order. Sphinxes, sarcophagi, mummies, wooden tombs, jewels, figures of pharaohs - Egyptian exhibits from the Paleolithic to the Roman period (300 thousand years BC - 4th century AD).

              The Egyptians directly pleaded - take our artifacts to America, they will be more intact there.
  2. +4
    13 December 2020 06: 32
    Very interesting and entertaining, thank you!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, about the history of the Russian coat of arms? Or was it already somewhere and I missed it?
    1. +3
      13 December 2020 06: 36
      Quote: Van 16
      about the history of the Russian coat of arms will be? Or was it already somewhere and I missed it?

      No, it was not. But it will be necessary, how can we go without it?
      1. 0
        13 December 2020 17: 52
        And about the Ukrainian trident, if there is an opportunity, it would be very interesting to read the story. And then we do not have an exact opinion either from the Kiev princes or from the Khazar Kaganate ...
    2. 0
      13 December 2020 08: 44
      Quote: Van 16
      Very interesting and entertaining, thank you!
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, about the history of the Russian coat of arms? Or was it already somewhere and I missed it?

      I thought the same thing: there are a great many Russian coats of arms and glorious coats of arms!
  3. +4
    13 December 2020 06: 32
    Can you solve the question, Vyacheslav? Did the ancient coats of arms change over the years the shape of the shield, helmets, etc., or did they remain simple, as they were drawn?
    1. +6
      13 December 2020 06: 39
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Did the ancient coats of arms change over the years the shape of the shield, helmets, etc., or did they remain simple, as they were drawn?

      Great question! Of course, they changed, according to fashion. The images on the coat of arms themselves did not often change, but here is its design - oh-oh. True, by our time the traditions of Baroque and Rococo are a thing of the past. For example, the coat of arms of Brittany is very simple - ermine fur, but it has lions as supporters, a crown at the head, and a motto below. And at first it was not!
      1. +5
        13 December 2020 06: 49
        Thank you. Fashion means preferred
      2. +7
        13 December 2020 07: 45

        A few more coats of arms, helmets and Kleinods. Second from left - heraldic attributes of the Duchy of Brittany.
        1. +3
          13 December 2020 07: 55
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Second from left - heraldic attributes of the Duchy of Brittany.

          In my time. Then the shield remained the same, but the design of the coat of arms changed completely!
          1. +5
            13 December 2020 08: 20
            These are probably tournament options.
            1. +7
              13 December 2020 09: 32
              Hello Anton. hi
              I don't know what version of this helmet, but let someone try to convince me that not the most natural kangaroo sits on the top of his head. And if so. then it can be considered completely proven that Australia was opened by the knights in the intervals between the Crusades, perhaps just by accident laughing
              1. +7
                13 December 2020 11: 13
                Certainly not a cat or a dog!
                I’m wondering what made Sir Knight put on a stuffed donkey on his helmet !!!
                1. +6
                  13 December 2020 11: 17
                  And you go on foot to Australia, you won't get it on your head yet! Eh, you, commoners, do not understand the pure and noble motives of the knightly heart. stop
                  1. +6
                    13 December 2020 11: 58
                    For the skin of a cat on a helmet, I would not forgive sir knight, but even if he put on a platypus, or wraps himself in an elephant's ear !!!
                    1. +6
                      13 December 2020 13: 48
                      For the skin of a cat on a helmet,


                      it is not clear what kind of animal, it looks like a cat feel
                      Helmet and helmet-mounted figure of Edward, the Black Prince
                      1. +4
                        14 December 2020 11: 36
                        it is not clear what kind of animal, it looks like a cat

                        This is clearly a possum, it only confirms the theory that after the discovery of Australia, the knights returned home through North America. fellow
                        I’m wondering what made Sir Knight put on a stuffed donkey on his helmet !!!

                        This may be a reference to biblical stories. EMNIP, Christ rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, or rather, on a donkey.
                        Why should the owner of an ingenious helmet not take a motto, for example: "I carry the faith of Christ on me to the Holy Land!" hi Well, that's just like guessing my right heel. drinks
                    2. +7
                      14 December 2020 00: 12
                      Yes, let him put himself anywhere, and our cats are sacred!
                2. +5
                  13 December 2020 13: 41
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  I’m wondering what made Sir Knight put on a stuffed donkey on his helmet !!!

                  I think this was invented by Sir's quick-witted squire, who was tired of constant questions like: "Well, where has this donkey gone ?! Run away, find him!".
                  1. +5
                    13 December 2020 13: 49
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    I’m wondering what made Sir Knight put on a stuffed donkey on his helmet !!!

                    I think this was invented by Sir's quick-witted squire, who was tired of constant questions like: "Well, where has this donkey gone ?! Run away, find him!".

                    I hope the knight did not learn the essence of the joke until the end of his days! crying
              2. +5
                13 December 2020 13: 06
                but let someone try to convince me that not the most natural kangaroo is sitting on the top of his head.
                I'll try. Uncle Kostya, there is no doubt that in the Moscow zoo, which you have undoubtedly visited, kangaroos are more popular than small, inconspicuous equids, which they carry children along the alleys. Donkeys are called ...
                1. +4
                  14 December 2020 00: 05
                  Eh ... No, to support the kangaroo idea and develop it into a heroic saga about the crusaders' campaign in Australia. No, sir, you have a flight of creative thought ... Moscow ... a zoo ... donkeys ... we drank "Varna" there on an open terrace.
                  "And ice melts in a vase, and someone's bull's eyes are visible at the next table, and it's scary, scary ..." (c)
            2. +3
              13 December 2020 10: 03
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              These are probably tournament options.

              Yes, apparently. Well, the era is the 14th century, then it was customary to portray ...
      3. +5
        13 December 2020 11: 59
        coat of arms of Brittany
        You obviously meant the Coat of arms of Brittany, the French region of Brittany.
        1. +6
          13 December 2020 13: 12
          Quite right! Sometimes I don't notice a typo.
          "I hate Gutenberg! He invented typos" (attributed to V. Hugo)
          1. +4
            14 December 2020 11: 44
            "I hate Gutenberg! He invented typos" (attributed to V. Hugo)

            And before Gutenberg, who invented the slip of the tongue? wink
      4. +3
        13 December 2020 17: 35
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I am already waiting for the description of our coat of arms. I'm already preparing questions for him
  4. +6
    13 December 2020 06: 55
    Not quite in the subject, just remembered from a children's film:

    Vasechkin: If you became a knight,
    Petrov: You will find yourself in the police!
    smile
    1. +4
      13 December 2020 16: 51
      I love this film-style, so far!
      1. +3
        13 December 2020 17: 14
        Yes, great films!
        1. +5
          13 December 2020 17: 21
          And not to say that I am an old man, but nowadays they don't make films for children. Nowhere!
          1. +4
            13 December 2020 17: 42
            Well yes. Cartoons are still being removed, but with films it is absolutely a disaster. I try to show my granddaughter the old Soviet ones, while they are still quite childish, Buratino, About Little Red Riding Hood, New Year's adventures of Masha and Viti, etc.
            1. +7
              13 December 2020 18: 05
              Here, yes! To the Soviet Union, and others like it, I, first of all, are grateful for the children's cinema! This is a purely Soviet phenomenon.
              1. +3
                13 December 2020 20: 55
                And remember the Soviet cartoons. They all went for quotes.
              2. +4
                13 December 2020 21: 21
                Anton, you are right: wonderful films for children were shot in the Soviet Union. I periodically watch films for children: "Aqualungs at the Bottom", *. Morozko, ", Scarlet Flower", "Stone Flower", "Three Nuts for Cinderella", "Youths in the Universe"
                Р
                S
                "Three nuts" actually Czechoslovakia, but beautifully filmed
  5. +8
    13 December 2020 06: 57
    And here is another coat of arms - "iron". Moreover, with an exceptionally interesting "plot": a chessboard and three waterskins. The first indicates that the fate of the owner of the coat of arms is entirely in the hands of the Almighty, who sends him both joys and sorrows. Well, the wineskins are a direct allusion to participation in the crusades and a strong thirst. This coat of arms is depicted on the pommel of a sword weighing 226,8 g. The sword, judging by the coat of arms, should have belonged to Pierre de Dre, Duke of Brittany and Count of Rinda 1240–1250
    I'll make adjustments.
    The "Chessboard" is a generic symbol of the de Dre family, the younger branch of the Capetian. The image in the first quarter of the coat of arms is not a wineskin with water, but a symbol of the Duchy of Brittany, described in heraldry in one word: "ermine".
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +12
      13 December 2020 07: 08
      ,, one of our camarade will like wink

      Murero, in Spain.
      1. +9
        13 December 2020 07: 11
        Bravo, Sergey! I think Michael will appreciate it!
      2. +7
        13 December 2020 07: 46
        Well, what a gorgeous trilobite! Well, you are great! In Catalonia there is ...
      3. +9
        13 December 2020 09: 16
        Quote: bubalik
        Murero, in Spain.

        Unusual? Yes.


        The upper coat of arms is the city of Londonderry / Northern Ireland /, the lower is the city of Nimes / France /
        1. +7
          13 December 2020 09: 24
          Did you run out of potatoes in Ireland? And in honor of this, the skeleton was portrayed? Or out of respect for the science of anatomy?
          1. +7
            13 December 2020 09: 29
            Quote from Korsar4
            Did you run out of potatoes in Ireland?

            This is Walter de Burgh. His evil relatives imprisoned him in a tower, where he ... died. Probably not because of the potatoes. wink
            1. +5
              13 December 2020 09: 51
              He became the prototype for "The Canterville Ghost?"
          2. +7
            13 December 2020 09: 38
            What are you, Sergei, what kind of potatoes !? There was a bad beer harvest! National tragedy. crying
            1. +5
              13 December 2020 09: 52
              "I will not let you denigrate our Soviet town,
              Where is the golden Zhiguli beer made? " (from).
              1. +6
                13 December 2020 09: 57
                "Drink foamy beer - the face will be hefty!"
                A rock ad in a seventies beer hall. drinks
                1. +6
                  13 December 2020 10: 00
                  We come back again:

                  “It's not beer that kills people.
                  Water kills people ”(c).

                  "And then he drank" (c).
                  1. +12
                    13 December 2020 10: 05
                    "... and immediately drank" (c)
                    1. +7
                      13 December 2020 11: 26
                      What about this coat of arms? Hungarian Haidu Dorog.
                      lol
                      1. +8
                        13 December 2020 11: 40
                        Soon Ukraine will declare war on the Magyars. laughing
                      2. +3
                        14 December 2020 11: 48
                        Soon Ukraine will declare war on the Magyars

                        Uncle Kostya, given that the Austrian Schwarzenbergs had a similar emblem, I would venture to suggest that the head belongs to a Turk. hi but the hedgehog below - what is it for? laughing
                      3. +2
                        14 December 2020 21: 06
                        "Azazello, you do not look like an archirea" (c)
                        And below - "The rubber hedgehog walked and whistled with a hole in the right side ,,," (c)
                        The hole is not visible on the geobe, it is on the other side. laughing
                      4. +2
                        15 December 2020 10: 49
                        The hole is not visible on the geobe, it is on the other side.

                        But seriously - why is there Derr Igelshneitskhen - "hedgehog muzzle"? What does this represent? drinks Google on the request "Haydudorog coat of arms" gives this article the eleventh item - because of your comment! laughing
                        Here is a selection on similar subtleties - the forelocked heads of those killed in sculpture and heraldry.
                        http://islam3d.ru/component/k2/item/455-dobro-pozhalovat-v-evropu-ili-s-oseledtsem-vkhod-vospreshchjon.html

                        La Valletta, Island of Malta. Tomb of Nicholas Cotoner, Grand Master of the Order of the Knights of Malta. The Cotoner family is an aristocracy about the same level as the Schwarzenbergs. And these old beasts to this day have not disappeared from European politics (for example, one of the Cotoners was the tutor of the just abdicated Spanish king Juan Carlos I). The bust of the Grand Master is supported by slave Atlanteans. One of the comrades in misfortune is a pronounced negroid, the second is the owner of a pronounced settler. It seems that people with settlers were catastrophically unlucky throughout Europe.
                      5. +5
                        13 December 2020 13: 57
                        You even sympathize with the Cossacks. Magyar pride.
                      6. +6
                        13 December 2020 16: 58
                        This is not pride. Magyars follow the path of the Jews.
                      7. +4
                        13 December 2020 18: 54
                        What exactly?
                      8. +4
                        13 December 2020 19: 09
                        The fact that you need to protect and support your own people everywhere and always.
                        In principle, I am very sympathetic to the current domestic and foreign policy of Hungary
                      9. +5
                        13 December 2020 19: 16
                        I understood something like that. But it's better to clarify.
                        I agree. Hungary is different from many EU countries.

                        I won't throw away the Budapest T-shirt yet, even though my belly has grown.
                      10. +4
                        13 December 2020 19: 41
                        Well you regularly move on different hills ... Where does the belly come from?
                      11. +4
                        13 December 2020 20: 20
                        Metabolism like a shrew ended at about 35. Gluttony remained. True, there is still mobility.

                        What hills are you talking about?
                      12. +3
                        14 December 2020 01: 36
                        Well, the same Sakhalin, it's not flat at all ...
                      13. +3
                        14 December 2020 07: 01
                        We felt it. Moreover, overgrown with bamboo (Sazoy). And walk on them.
                        But it's not as often as we would like
                      14. +3
                        13 December 2020 20: 24
                        Quote from Korsar4
                        T-shirt "Budapest"

                        Just * Budapest *? Or with such symbols? laughing
                      15. +5
                        13 December 2020 20: 26
                        No. There is some pretty cathedral.
                        It never crossed my mind to wear fan gear.
                      16. +4
                        13 December 2020 23: 53
                        We, cursed siguranza, will remember our Ostap, Bender! am
                      17. +3
                        14 December 2020 00: 22
                        “I will live, God's Will, with the Romanians.
                        They say they are from the Volga region, just like us "(c).
                      18. +5
                        14 December 2020 00: 48
                        Near Sevastopol, a cry from the German trenches to ours:
                        "Rus, Rus! Change Azerbaijan to Romanesti!"
                        A front-line soldier once told me.
                      19. +3
                        14 December 2020 06: 58
                        Did you want oil? Or was it a conversation about personalities?
                      20. +4
                        14 December 2020 07: 06
                        The guy who told me this served on a brigade of torpedo boats, and when the Germans approached the city, he went to the marines. It was hard, he said, more than half of our company left in the Meknzia mountains. But then reinforcements came up, some mountain brigade from Azerbaijan, all with SVTeshkas, mustachioed, well, we, he says, were delighted, at least it will be easier. And the Azerbaijanis killed the Russian commanders at night and went over to the Germans.
                        It was after this that this strange roll call from the German trenches to ours began. The Germans put "our" Azeris no higher than "their" Romanians, and therefore offered to change "an awl for soap." The humor is Teutonic. smile
                      21. +3
                        14 December 2020 07: 16
                        I have not heard about this.
                        I can roughly imagine the national composition of the replenishment.
                        But this story is very memorable.
                      22. +5
                        14 December 2020 07: 47
                        From another person, but almost the same. Replenishment came from the Caucasus, I don’t know who is by nationality. Obviously, we were recruiting a platoon in the auls. As someone wounds, all these "eagles" come running to him in the trench and the hubbub is raised by the "Khaldi-Valdy-Taldy", and the German goes there - a mine. A week later, everyone was knocked out. Here is such a replenishment, such a story.
                      23. Fat
                        +4
                        14 December 2020 11: 14
                        It was. Father in Stalingrad, on the territory of the Krasny Oktyabr plant, fought in the 39th Rifle Division, commanded a mortar crew, then a BM 82 platoon. He was very angry that these fighters had to be looked for every time for the reason you indicated. , even the former, such a replenishment - not ah, but at least it was good.
                      24. +4
                        13 December 2020 20: 37
                        Sergey, is this a real coat of arms? I wonder what it should mean? Knights who defeated the Sultan's minions?
                      25. +2
                        14 December 2020 18: 33
                        Quote: Astra wild2
                        Sergey, is this a real coat of arms?

                        It cannot be more real. laughing
                        Here's more.




                      26. +3
                        15 December 2020 10: 59
                        Here's more.

                        Damn, Sergei, I did not see this comment of yours, up the branch in response to Uncle Kostya posted a photo from the same source! drinks
                    2. +3
                      13 December 2020 20: 33
                      Konstantin, I really, really want to put you -: a mockery of the coat of arms of the Soviet Union.
                      I will say a paradoxical thing: it hurts me when they mock the Soviet coat of arms or the modern one .. The Soviet coat of arms is the coat of arms of my childhood, and modern symbols are symbols of my state and its history. I expect Vyacheslav Olegovich to tell in detail about the history of the coat of arms
                      1. +5
                        13 December 2020 23: 51
                        Konstantin, I really, really want to put you -

                        Vera, put what you want, minus does not have a heart attack and does not make the weather, but I have no complex for this mathematical sign.
                        As for the coat of arms of the USSR, I have never liked this cauliflower salad purely visually, the eagle is still much prettier.
                        But I won't argue about tastes - it's pointless. request
                      2. +1
                        14 December 2020 14: 43
                        "I will not argue about tastes" for this you +
                      3. +1
                        14 December 2020 14: 48
                        "there is no complex for this mathematical sign" - I have a high rating and 2-3 minuses are nothing for me
        2. +7
          13 December 2020 09: 29
          ,,,
          not serious stop dinosaurs are our everythinglaughing

          1. +5
            13 December 2020 09: 43
            Quote: bubalik
            dinosaurs are our everything

            Friends! Sorry * dunno * for the naive question. Where did the image of a lion appear on Russian coats of arms? For example, the golden lion was the patrimonial sign of the Vladimir-Suzdal princes. Since the twelfth century.

            Enlighten, please. hi
            1. +6
              13 December 2020 09: 59
              In Vladimir, lions are everywhere. In different versions. For example, at the Dmitrov Cathedral. Which is a mystery to me.

              All right, Samson would have been portrayed, otherwise it looks more like Hercules.
              It is believed that they appeared from the XII century.

              And what is an ambitious principality without the "King of Beasts"?
              1. +3
                14 December 2020 12: 33
                And what is an ambitious principality without the "King of Beasts"?

                In this sense, I like the coat of arms of Yaroslavl. It's even cooler than the "king of beasts" - it's a bear with an ax ...

                Of the heraldic curiosities, one can recall the coat of arms of Irkutsk with the legendary Babr.
                1. +3
                  14 December 2020 14: 32
                  Someone fell to the prince - that and the coat of arms.
                  1. +3
                    14 December 2020 15: 08
                    Someone fell to the prince - that and the coat of arms.

                    It is strange that the prince has not yet been caught by a bear with an ax! laughing and Babr is another story. Just a misunderstanding of the Siberian dialect by some capital official. drinks
                    1. +3
                      14 December 2020 17: 22
                      Prince Igor was caught by the Drevlyans. I do not know what animals were accompanied by the Varangian horse squads.
            2. +4
              13 December 2020 11: 19
              Quote: Phil77
              Quote: bubalik
              dinosaurs are our everything

              Friends! Sorry * dunno * for the naive question. Where did the image of a lion appear on Russian coats of arms? For example, the golden lion was the patrimonial sign of the Vladimir-Suzdal princes. Since the twelfth century.

              Enlighten, please. hi

              Yes Duc, even Vladimir Monomakh complained about the lion tribe in his will that the lion bit him in the "saddle"! So they immortalized a specific biting specimen. In memory of so-rastak. laughing
              1. +3
                13 December 2020 13: 58
                We have already spoken about the hypotheses of who raised a paw on Monomakh. The leopard is likely.
            3. +10
              13 December 2020 11: 49
              There was a minute! Now seriously.
              Vladimir Monomakh is indeed connected with lions on the coats of arms of the Vladimir-Suzdal principality. More precisely, his wife Gita of Wessex, nee Princess of England - daughter of King Harold.
              For the first time, Leo, a leopard rearing up, was noted in the era of their son Yuri Dolgoruky. It finally took root in the time of their grandson Vladimir Bogolyubsky.
              True, later he could not stand the competition with the rider (the seal of Alexander Nevsky) and the lion tormenting the snake (if I am not mistaken, the seal of Vasily III). It is paradoxical for the appearance of St. George the "Kopeyets" tormenting the snake. Eh, apparently the nearest boyars of the blind Vasily II the Dark warmed up. They spent on drink a large sovereign's seal, and the prince, due to injury, used his uncle's "kopeck".
              Although "Gregory" is officially recognized only by Peter I.
              Another interesting fact. Ermak's banners are kept in the Faceted Chamber, so one depicts the Lion and the Unicorn? All stop, and then again "eat" bread Vyacheslav Olegovich !!!
              1. +5
                13 December 2020 12: 03
                Vlad, I greet you!
                Thank you! Thank you and for the funny laughing , and for a serious answer! hi
              2. +7
                13 December 2020 14: 52
                Oh, Vlad, how dubious and controversial ...
                Harold, Geeta's father, really had a semblance of a lion in the coat of arms, or rather a full face cat's head with a tongue hanging out. This symbol graphically has nothing in common with the coat of arms of Vladimir-on-Klyazma.
                Yuri Dolgoruky had St. George as his patron, who was his emblem, such as a badge. At that time they did not even think about coats of arms in Russia. Noble people had their own symbols that were not inherited and were not tied to either possessions or surnames. It's a matter of personal taste for everyone. These symbols were used in stamps for documents or, sometimes, as a brand for cattle. However, most often the image of the patron saint was used as a personal emblem in Russia.
                Before Andrey Bogolyubsky, Vladimir was generally a small town, the capital of the principality was Suzdal. Andrey - yes, he moved the capital to Vladimir and as a personal emblem, it seems, he used a lion standing on his hind legs with his head in profile, but this innovation did not take root and his heirs used images of the saints of the same name - his own and his father - as their emblems ... So, on the seals of Yaroslav Vsevolodovich you can see images of Fyodor Stratilat and Dmitry Solunsky - according to the "Christian passport" smile Yaroslav Vsevolodovich was Fyodor Dmitrievich. smile
                With Alexander Nevsky, the issue is also controversial. It is believed that the name of Alexander is also double, just the generic name coincides with the baptismal one. He was named by his generic (pagan) name in honor of Alexander the Great, who at that time was a very popular person, but was a pagan, and baptismal - in honor of the corresponding saint. Some believe that the rider on the seal of Alexander is none other than Alexander the Great, especially since he does not at all look like the spearman George. smile
                In general, with heraldry in Russia right up to Ivan the Terrible was extremely tight. This self-indulgence did not take root. For a long time there were no coats of arms either for the lands or for the clans.
                And the "Rurik's falcon" is, in fact, nothing more than an ordinary tamga, which was branded cattle, and initially this tamga was in the form of a two-toothed fork, which Vladimir Svyatoslavich turned into a "trident" solely because of his bastard nature. Actually, the third tooth means bastardism.
                1. +8
                  13 December 2020 17: 14
                  Michael! I agree that I cast a little shadow on the fence !!! Giving the desired - to the unknown.
                  A lion on three legs is one of the elements of the drawing of the Dmitrievsky Cathedral in Vladimir! I do not think that it is necessary to link the rules of heraldry to the symbolism of the ancient Russian principalities. However, as well as personal seals to tie to the emblem. What was the most important "Lion"? Was! Leopard print? Leopard print !!! He was frontal when he hung behind the throne in London. And now he looks to the west - licks his lips !!!!!
                  So the claim to the English crown is justified? We'll step on the tail, pull up by the ears - and "granny in London", but do you warm your place in Foggy Albion !!!?
                  And the last thing. I distinguish "rider" from "penny"! The first with a sword or saber, the second with a spear.
                  1. +8
                    13 December 2020 17: 36
                    I distinguish "rider" from "penny"! The first with a sword or saber, the second with a spear.
                    That's why they don't like the Ural mountaineers in Poland and Lithuania laughing
                  2. +3
                    13 December 2020 20: 19
                    I understand you, I shut up,
                    I'll get it in the neck
                    And I will not accomplish my feat

                    laughing
                    My applause, Vlad. laughing good
                2. +8
                  13 December 2020 17: 45
                  ... And the "Rurik's falcon", in fact, is nothing more than an ordinary tamga, which was branded cattle, and initially this tamga was in the form of a two-toothed fork, which Vladimir Svyatoslavich turned into a "trident" solely because of his bastard nature. Actually, the third tooth means bastardism.

                  Considering that the bident in the circulation of the Kiev (read Polyansky) princes appeared from Svyatoslav Igorevich. I'm afraid they "stole" from the Khazars or his vassals (nomads). It is banal that a herd of "cows" was taken as prey, and then, during the carve-up, the majority turned out to be in the jackpot of the young prince. Well, then why, to invent something if the "brand" was also brought on the cart !!!
                  So Mikhail's version, that from the ass ..., tfu cattle "tamga" migrated to the flag of a neighboring state, very efficient !!!
                  Moreover, how was Vladimir Svyatoslavovich to distinguish and mark the prey? An extra "stick" on the back of the "cattle" and it's in the bag !!! Try to prove that it's not mine .....! Beast, she is so different from a person that she endures everything and does not know how to speak !!!
                  By the way, even under Ivan the Terrible, they didn't bother with coats of arms, as they did later. It is not surprising that the two-headed eagle, granted by the Polish king to the city of Chernigov, migrated to the heraldic system of Russia. However, as later, the Polish "white eagle on a red background" itself was an element of the large coat of arms of the Russian Empire. And even now, no one will stop us from reviving the "Order of the Great White Eagle" in the system of state awards, rewarding them exclusively for the Poles for Russophilia! I think if he is in diamonds and a "drop dead big pension" will be attached to him, then with a systematic annual award and a smart statute - we can raise a not frail "fifth column" !!! At least to annoy the Poles and Lithuanians. For other Balts to "blind" the medal of Magnus of Livonian with the idea of ​​the revival of the Livonian Order under a scepter .... well, I have not come up with it yet. And again to reward with fanfare 9 Russophiles and 1 Russophobe, that the latter had nowhere to wonder "from a submarine" !!!
                  So I anticipate the headlines of the Internet resources Estonian Defense Minister turned out to be a fan of Putin! Went around the house in pajamas in the color of the tricolor with the order of the Russian invaders !!! laughing
                  All stop, all a good day !!!
          2. +5
            13 December 2020 09: 53
            What kind of "remakes"? Dinosaurs have been unearthed relatively recently.
            1. +5
              13 December 2020 11: 26
              Topmost
              The coat of arms of the Chernyshevsky district was approved on February 10.02.2016, XNUMX, the Transbaikal Territory
              Third from the top.
              The coat of arms of the Chebulinsky district was approved on December 5, 2014. Kemerovo ob.
            2. +6
              13 December 2020 12: 11
              So, everyone goes crazy in their own way!
              Someone was as lucky as the Perm Territory with "a bear and a chest on his back", but someone needs to be perverted! I remember in my memory Sobol on the coat of arms of the Sverdlovsk region, the federal heraldic chamber rejected five times. Looking in the wrong direction, going in the wrong way, etc. In the end, instead of the "old canonical sable, the Demidovs" were taught a lesson what they received !!! Neighbors Chelyabinsk also not the first time with "Camel" slipped through. But Perm the first time and to the point !!! Who can dispute the coat of arms, which is three centuries old!

              Coat of arms in the 90s

              The modern coat of arms of the Sverdlovsk region!
              1. +5
                13 December 2020 12: 27
                ,,, camels in Chelyabinsk yes!
                1. +4
                  13 December 2020 13: 36
                  Quote: bubalik
                  ,,, camels in Chelyabinsk yes!

                  Hello, Sergey! More precisely one !!!

                  Old to revolutionary. At the top is the Ufa marten (coat of arms of the Isetskaya province)

                  Coat of arms of the Chelyabinsk region in the 90s.

                  Modern!
              2. +5
                13 December 2020 14: 00
                We had a sable on our coat of arms in Pushkino near Moscow. In honor of the fur farm. But who will save the fur farm now? Here the little animal was removed. I don't approve.
              3. +3
                13 December 2020 17: 17
                Well, so on the first coat of arms the animal still looks like a sable, and on the second - like a wet tousled fox. laughing
                1. +4
                  13 December 2020 18: 28
                  Anton, a little interested in the question! And the Ufimites are not stupid - they are swinging (and justified) at the state seal of the Yugorsky land (running marten). Istria dates back to the reign of Ivan the Terrible. They changed her only once in the 18th century, and then not for long (changing a marten to a mare)! And the rest are great and constant !!!




                  Development of the coat of arms of the city of Ufa! On the first horse, on the rest - martens!
                  1. +3
                    13 December 2020 19: 01
                    Rootless steppe Bashkirs are boring!
                    1. +4
                      13 December 2020 19: 21
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Rootless steppe Bashkirs are boring!

                      This is Anton the Buddy, you're in vain! In contrast to neighboring Kazan, which is worn with its millennium and Bulgarian exclusivity, which even infuriates the Ural and Tyumen Tatars. Wolf-headed guys are normal. We, with our Gamayun gadgets, even in some cases look more like “separatists”.
                      I am more than sure that a metropolitan man in the street will not distinguish a Russian from a Tatar or Bashkir, but a Bashkir from a Tatar for sure not the first time!
                      To be honest, in the south-west of the Sverdlovsk region we have a real thistle of ethnic groups. There is even its own Old Bukhara, although the Mari live there. An interesting approach to nationalities in Orenburg - a dozen years ago, on a vacant lot in the center of the city, they built a dozen national restaurants from Russian and Ukrainian, to Chuvash and Kazakh. There is even German. Built to cover all the cuisines of the region !!!
                      1. +3
                        13 December 2020 19: 46
                        Bashkir from Tatars, I will tell you apart. Especially the southern ones.
                      2. +3
                        13 December 2020 20: 22
                        I’m afraid of the Nordic not! However, as the Nagaybaks.
                2. +3
                  13 December 2020 19: 10
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Well, so on the first coat of arms the animal still looks like a sable, and on the second - like a wet tousled fox. laughing

                  Well, in life, a fox with a red-black tail with a white tip is prettier than any sable.
              4. +3
                14 December 2020 12: 04
                Someone was as lucky as the Perm Territory with a "bear and a chest on his back", but someone needs to be perverted!

                MedveD, as a heraldic state symbol in Russia, appeared simultaneously in relation to two regions - Perm and Novgorod. He is depicted on the Great Seal of Ivan the Terrible. Novgorodsky Bear - top left, Perm - right in the center. Although symbols have probably been used before.
          3. +6
            13 December 2020 11: 27
            On googling on Dinosaurs, in principle, there is only one justification - "the skeleton of a lizard was found", it was a sin not to immortalize for the edification of descendants !!!
            1. +4
              13 December 2020 19: 11
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              On googling on Dinosaurs, in principle, there is only one justification - "the skeleton of a lizard was found", it was a sin not to immortalize for the edification of descendants !!!

              What, they didn't find anything else? laughing
              1. +5
                13 December 2020 19: 28
                Greetings fellow countryman!
                The question is why the old coats of arms are outrageously simple?
                There is a similar problem, there is a fossil lizard found in the area! All by the tail of the poor fellow and the coat of arms! Nefig lie a million years! Be proud of the children and grandchildren of the "Ural prehistoric crocodile", and that the Ural Sea in the era of trilobites was in the southern hemisphere - this is the last thing of interest to the deputies of the village council! This is how dinosaurs flaunt against the background of poppies of Orthodox churches and salt coppers!
                1. +3
                  13 December 2020 19: 35
                  Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Greetings fellow countryman!
                  The question is why the old coats of arms are outrageously simple?
                  There is a similar problem, there is a fossil lizard found in the area! All by the tail of the poor fellow and the coat of arms! Nefig lie a million years! Be proud of the children and grandchildren of the "Ural prehistoric crocodile", and that the Ural Sea in the era of trilobites was in the southern hemisphere - this is the last thing of interest to the deputies of the village council! This is how dinosaurs flaunt against the background of poppies of Orthodox churches and salt coppers!

                  hi , fellow countryman! Why didn't the inhabitants of the coast of the Shark Beach of the Derney River add a shark to themselves? laughing
                  1. +4
                    13 December 2020 20: 19
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    countryman! Why didn't the inhabitants of the coast of the Shark Beach of the Derney River add a shark to themselves?

                    Modest however! Shark tooth against the background of the Ural Mountains is futuristic, but objectively fair, and most importantly, authentically !!! hi
                    Although in my opinion, the nominal first image has historical value in heraldry, albeit legendary or mythological, but the first one! In Soviet times, this was a sin. There is a sawmill we draw a Christmas tree, there is no sawmill a Christmas tree "for soap".
                    Seriously, I think that it would be honest with the historical coat of arms of Yekaterinburg, to restore the second unofficial emblem of Sverdlovsk with the lizard Bazhov. No matter how half a century of history is, not a little under this name. At least Sverdlovsk, or rather Sverdlovsk residents, was awarded the title of a city of labor glory. This should also be remembered, even if this name “infuriates” the Russian Orthodox Church.
                    1. +1
                      14 December 2020 17: 09
                      100% agree! drinks
          4. +6
            13 December 2020 17: 28

            How do you like this option? I know the author of the idea personally.
            1. +3
              13 December 2020 17: 40
              ,, recourse to be honest, Anton, not No. brightness is not enough. The blue background interrupts everything, but that's my opinion.
              1. +5
                13 December 2020 17: 51
                There is also a city with a population of less than 15 thousand. But this is my small homeland, how can you not love, not be proud ???
                By the way, the head of the energy sector of your region, studied at school at a parallel junior to me.
              2. +3
                13 December 2020 19: 32
                Quote: bubalik
                view

                Seryoga, this is for you.

                Sorry for advertising, everyone wants to eat. There will be questions, please.
                1. +3
                  13 December 2020 20: 50
                  It didn't work out crying
                  1. +3
                    13 December 2020 20: 52
                    Quote: bubalik
                    didn't work out

                    Where to? Where?
                  2. +3
                    14 December 2020 12: 51
                    I warned about pitfalls. Details in * PM *.
                  3. +1
                    14 December 2020 19: 23
                    Quote: bubalik
                    It didn't work out


                    Try this address!
        3. +7
          13 December 2020 09: 36
          The image of a palm tree inspired.
          1. +7
            13 December 2020 09: 54
            As if you came to visit - and you admire the magnets on the refrigerator.
            1. +7
              13 December 2020 09: 58
              Good idea, by the way, we have a German refrigerator. laughing
              1. +8
                13 December 2020 10: 02
                Let's assume that they have lost it.
                Moreover, two Germans in loincloths are a drawing of the day.
                1. +6
                  13 December 2020 10: 19
                  Still, in addition to heraldry, they did not look so frivolous, after all, the Teutoburg Forest is not Polynesia.
                  1. +4
                    13 December 2020 14: 01
                    Exactly. Pants are required.
                    Who disagrees - to revise "Be my husband".
              2. +7
                13 December 2020 17: 41
                And who has it Russian? If only a forty-year-old "turquoise" or "Saratov" is puffing at the dacha ...
                1. +5
                  13 December 2020 23: 55
                  Do not offend our patriotic refrigerator! "Saratov" will withstand a direct shot from a magpie!
                  1. +4
                    14 December 2020 00: 03
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    "Saratov" will withstand a direct shot from a magpie!

                    My sister had ZIL. That way the 50s. I slept in the kitchen, I was worn out ... He twitched like mad. In general, in the morning I freaked out and ran away from the guests. crying
                    1. +4
                      14 December 2020 00: 20
                      On my Tsvetnoy tram, the old one of two wooden carriages went "A" nnushka, so guests from other cities could not sleep either when the night attendant passed under the windows, even though the sixth floor. And we got used to it and no one paid attention, I generally slept with an open balcony. smile
                      1. +4
                        14 December 2020 00: 25
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        On my Tsvetnoy tram, the old one of two wooden carriages went "A" nnushka, so guests from other cities could not sleep either when the night attendant passed under the windows, even though the sixth floor.

                        My friend abandoned the girl because she lived above the highway. Well, grit, Vovan, I can't ... They hum and hum all night ...
                      2. +4
                        14 December 2020 00: 45
                        So he didn't really need her. Simple as a felt boot, test. laughing
                      3. +4
                        14 December 2020 00: 50
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Simple as a felt boot, test.

                        God only knows ... We were screwed up when he told me about his girlfriend. winked
                      4. +4
                        14 December 2020 01: 06
                        Oh, this "sacrifice" to me ... The next day you remember what happened at night, but you can't remember her name. request
          2. +4
            13 December 2020 19: 27
            Quote: Sea Cat
            The image of a palm tree inspired.

            In the early 70s, in the medical unit of our military unit, I saw packages of quinine - on the front side there was such an emblem, and at the place of separation - the name of the case, executed on adhesive tape. You tear it off - the package opens. He immediately stole 1 piece laughing
        4. +5
          13 December 2020 17: 07
          lower-town Nimes / France /
          Strange that not "blue twill pants"
      4. +6
        13 December 2020 13: 41
        Thank you, Sergey, we made you happy. smile
        My pet rustled enthusiastically with a shell of delight for as many as three minutes, which did not happen to him even when my nickname on VO was painted bronze. Then he rustled for one and a half. smile
        1. +5
          13 December 2020 13: 52
          Hello Mikhail, can he do it?
          1. +7
            13 December 2020 14: 04
            Hello, Vlad.
            He can't do that, he's a trilobite. smile
            This is a melancholic ancient wise creature who does not give a damn about almost everything from the height of the past centuries. For him, Cyrus the Great is a boy who, for some reason, recently stopped visiting. smile
          2. +5
            13 December 2020 15: 30
            Vladislav! Great photo. Save it for comment on the cat material. There he will be especially in place. He's already under moderation ...
            1. +6
              13 December 2020 16: 55
              I was hoping that the owner of Basi would not pass by the "mustachioed and striped ones !!!" Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, for justifying my expectations !!!
              1. +6
                13 December 2020 17: 08
                The topic turned out to be Vladislav, very "multipolar" and interesting, so there will be not even one piece, but at least two. There will be about cats, and about people ... So your "puff" in the comments will be very useful, as well as your observations on "furry animals". You prompted me a good topic, seriously !!!
          3. +3
            14 December 2020 13: 42
            Hello Mikhail, can he do it?

            Sonia the scratch! good
            Vlad, I will answer you like this: "A drinking cat is a grief in the family!" drinks But I bought it the day before yesterday. So he didn't even really resist. laughing
            1. +2
              14 December 2020 15: 18
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              But I bought it the day before yesterday. So he didn't even really resist

              Well, it's not a fact Nikolay that you won't have a surprise tomorrow in a sneaker !!!
              Our if goes on about, then expect a catch. For example, the loudly loud tearing of the carpet at three in the morning, popularly proves washing the pussy at five in the afternoon is a sin for which everyone will pay !!! And he knows that he is nasty and at the first sign of approach he shoves into the daughter's room behind the sofa.

              Control visit to the windowsill!
              1. +3
                14 December 2020 15: 37
                Well, it's not a fact Nikolay that you won't have a surprise tomorrow in a sneaker !!!

                Vladislav, to his credit, never does it in slippers. Only protests against the vacuum cleaner. Can inflate or impose anywhere - arbitrarily, where the protest is found.
                1. +2
                  14 December 2020 17: 12
                  Not mine shkershitsya from the vacuum cleaner much higher and away from carpets!
                  And the Steshka metric, on the contrary, is not indifferent to the vacuum cleaner. Marks in a dust bag. Or the wire starts to play. But she, in principle, does not know the banks. Can safely walk into a dog kennel, or eat from a dog bowl. Periodically chases cats twice her size. Or eat your grandmother's favorite frog in the garden. Catching birds in flight. Once I filled up a magpie that I shot. In principle, a bandit and a robber.
                2. +3
                  14 December 2020 19: 29
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Can inflate or superimpose in

                  Hi Nikolay, mine never did it, honest noble word!
    2. +6
      13 December 2020 07: 37
      I won't argue, Anton, especially since I saw effigy and the coat of arms itself with ermine tails. I can only say that I initially learned about this pommel from the book by D. Nicolas. There were "three wineskins" on tails that were not alike in any way ... Then I saw this pommel on the Metropolitan website and noted how exactly Nicole conveyed a photo from the museum in the drawing. There are many "tails" on effigii. There are only three ... And most of all it looks like a wineskin.
      1. +6
        13 December 2020 08: 08
        As usual, I started looking for information on the persons indicated in the article and came across this inconsistency.

        Figure of the indicated effigy. As for the number of details, the pommel is also smaller than the shield.
        But unfortunately I did not find anything about Rothenburg.
        1. +4
          13 December 2020 08: 49
          unfortunately nothing about Rothenburg
          ,,, but it cannot be what
          Wolhusen (German Wolhusen) is a commune in Switzerland, in the canton of Lucerne.
          Rudolph von Rothenburg
          Minstrel, 1st half of the 13th century.
          ,,, his to the "nobles" of Rothenburg, castvögten from the Lucerne monastery of St. Leodegar, especially the branch of the Rothenburg-Wolhusen family, the modification of the coat of arms of which reproduces the poet's miniature (red lock on gold instead of silver). request
          1. +5
            13 December 2020 08: 57
            Maybe ... I came across more and more infa about another Rothenburg, in Bavaria.
        2. +5
          13 December 2020 12: 52
          But unfortunately I did not find anything about Rothenburg.
          https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/ADB:Rudolf_von_Rotenburg
          1. +3
            13 December 2020 13: 22
            Thank! I'll see.
  6. +3
    13 December 2020 07: 03
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    I was waiting for this continuation yesterday, but this morning is also good. Moreover, the output of the material does not depend on you. Thank you!
  7. +10
    13 December 2020 08: 02
    a joke of humor
    1. +3
      13 December 2020 19: 44
      mukhoovo
      Welcome... Yes
  8. +7
    13 December 2020 08: 06
    Very well. It's just that the Music of the emblems is composed of separate components.
    And then, over time, it is also decorated with aphorisms, like those that "It is not good for lilies to spin."
  9. +5
    13 December 2020 10: 08
    I typed in the search engine "Coat of arms of Jerusalem", and here's how many fell out



    1. +5
      13 December 2020 12: 10
      Quote: Sea Cat
      "Coat of arms of Jerusalem"


      The coat of arms of the Order of Saint Lazarus. That is generally very little written about him, but he claims the laurels of the oldest knightly order. Created in 1098, it consisted of * lepers * knights and they attacked with an open face, which inspired a serious fear of the enemy.
      1. +3
        13 December 2020 19: 59
        I read about this somewhere, more precisely in some kind of women's novel, there was a mention of leper knights, but nothing else and I decided that the author's invention
        1. +5
          13 December 2020 20: 18
          Quote: Astra wild2
          leper knights

          This is not fiction.

          1. Fat
            +2
            13 December 2020 22: 54
            For some reason, I immediately remembered the king of Jerusalem from the movie "Kingdom of Heaven"
          2. +1
            14 December 2020 14: 53
            I didn't know that. Actually, I was not very interested in the cross approaches.
      2. +2
        14 December 2020 00: 15
        Gloomy, and in terms of belonging it is quite consistent.
  10. +6
    13 December 2020 11: 09
    Moreover, the helmet can be with a crown and without kleinod, only with kleinod.

    So with or without kleinod? :)))

    As for the allegedly "stolen" in museums ... it would be good to trace it, but how did the artifacts end up in the collections of donors? I mean, is it always legal. Remember, even Byron wrote about the plundering of the heritage of ancient Greece. "What the Goths Didn't Do - Beasts Did"
    Who does not know, he hinted at the Scottish origin of Lord Elgin, who barbarously plundered the Parthenon. Now statues of Phidias and his students are on display in the British Museum. So to speak, "donated" :))
    On the other hand, the exhibits ended up in museums, and did not perish during numerous wars ...
    1. +3
      13 December 2020 11: 28
      Well, I already wrote that the Effsian marbles, for example, were presented to the Austrian emperor Franz Joseph by Sultan Selim II, but the Germans and Egypt took out a lot of things from Persia without permission, as well as the British. The right of the strong and ... "gilded the handle" was in effect. How did Priam's treasure end up in Russia? And so it turned out ...
      1. +2
        13 December 2020 19: 53
        "Priam's treasure" Vyacheslav Olegovich, are you talking about: "Schliemann's gold"?
        1. +1
          13 December 2020 20: 11
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Are you talking about: "Schliemann's gold"?

          Of course!
  11. +5
    13 December 2020 11: 29
    Quote from Korsar4
    two Germans in loincloths - drawing of the day.

    The coat of arms will be even cooler!
    1. +5
      13 December 2020 18: 59
      One today's thread is like scattered pages of the Encyclopedia with illustrations.
  12. +5
    13 December 2020 12: 14
    And here is another coat of arms - "iron". Moreover, with an exceptionally interesting "plot": a chessboard and three waterskins. The first indicates that the fate of the owner of the coat of arms is entirely in the hands of the Almighty, who sends him both joys and sorrows. Well, the wineskins are a direct allusion to participation in the crusades and a strong thirst. This coat of arms is depicted on the pommel of a sword weighing 226,8 g. The sword, judging by the coat of arms, should have belonged to Pierre de Dre, Duke of Brittany and Count of Rinda in 1240–1250. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York.
    This is how Internet legends are born.

    This is how the coat of arms of Pierre I Moclerc de Dreux looks like. The sword maker depicted it rather roughly. But there are no wineskins there.
    1. +3
      13 December 2020 12: 20
      I know this coat of arms, but the one on the sword is different from it. There is no border and there are only three figures in the square. And they don't look like ponytails.
      1. +5
        13 December 2020 12: 36

        This is a stained glass window from Chartres Cathedral. On it Pierre I Moclerc de Dreux. This is known for sure. Like the fact that the sword from the Metropolitan Museum is his. Look at the shield on the coat of arms and on the sword.
        The number and shape of ermine "tails" varied depending on the time of creation, place and artist, and has no value other than aesthetic. The coat of arms of the dukes of Brittany, thus, could include from three to twelve "tails", which often depended on the area of ​​the carrier - seals, coins, medals, manuscripts or shields themselves. The number of tips of the lower branch (base) of the cruciform "mouchetures" varied from 3 to 9, just as the shape of the elements of the triple apex of the "tail" (dots, rhombuses, wicks) changed, which indicated the fastenings with which the ermine fur with tails was fixed.
        Michel Pastoureau, "L'hermine: de l'héraldique ducale à la symbolique de l'État" dans J. Kerhervé et T. Daniel, dir., 1491. La Bretagne terre d'Europe, Brest, 1992, p. 253-264
        1. +4
          13 December 2020 15: 27
          Yes, indeed, it is obvious that there are "tails" on the top of the coat of arms. Thanks for the work you've done!
          1. +7
            13 December 2020 15: 30
            Thank you for writing on interesting topics and giving you the opportunity to "warm your brains".
            1. +4
              13 December 2020 15: 37
              Yes, in this case, we have now analyzed two very interesting passages at once, and all with your help, by the way, about Stephen 5 and the wineskin. It's good that you found the stained glass ...
              1. +6
                13 December 2020 15: 40
                I have been to Chartres three times. Therefore, it was difficult not to remember.
                1. +4
                  13 December 2020 17: 09
                  Quote: Undecim
                  I have been to Chartres three times. Because it was difficult not to remember

                  Envy take ...
  13. +6
    13 December 2020 16: 00
    Good health to all. Now I caught myself thinking: thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich and Valery for making us friends.
    Now, when I see materials from Valery or Vyacheslav Olegovich, I roughly know who I will see. I don't really want to see new ones. Probably getting old? At 15-16 years old, when a new boy appeared at the dances, I was glad-happy. Once "I passed the post:" I didn't go to dances for 2 weeks, so that new boys would appear
    1. +5
      13 December 2020 17: 10
      Today there are very successful comments, I just owe some commentators ...
      1. +3
        13 December 2020 17: 54
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I had no doubt that Viktor Nikolaevich would complement you
    2. +4
      13 December 2020 18: 38
      I don't really want to see new ones
      Especially interesting new authors.
      1. +3
        13 December 2020 19: 42
        Viktor Nikolaevich, but here you are mistaken: the site needs new interesting authors. There will be more interesting authors and it will be more interesting for us and you will have an extra reason: "to warm up your brains"
        1. +7
          13 December 2020 19: 59
          The site does not care about both the quality of the audience and the way in which clickbait will be provided. It is possible for a large fee to cooperate with a serious author, who will publish once a month an article of the level "Ancient porcelain and faience from the cultural layer of Tobolsk", which will gain two hundred views and twenty comments.
          Or, for a penny, you can hire a propagandist who will be on his knees to compose two sketches per fan a day, which will collect thousands of holivar views from hundreds of comments. Today such next to this article. The question is - who will the site choose?
          1. +2
            14 December 2020 15: 00
            Not a flattering assessment, but fair
            1. +6
              14 December 2020 15: 10
              The site has long followed the path of least resistance, sacrificing quality for quantity. Hence the face-to-face submission of information in the sections "News", "Opinions", "Analytics", the presence of authors such as Ryabov or Samsonov, and the like. Shpakovsky will leave, and two or three more people who are not regular - all of them. A person with normal intelligence on the site will simply have nothing to do. Some Tatyana will remain.
              1. +2
                14 December 2020 15: 26
                I wrote "ub ... l ... yudo ... chnaya", but the robot misrepresented it to "full-time".
              2. +3
                14 December 2020 15: 55
                Viktor Nikolaevich, you probably know similar ones where you can "emigrate"? If they leave: Vyacheslav Olegovich Valery
                1. +4
                  14 December 2020 16: 08
                  Unfortunately, I did not find a suitable one for myself. There are highly specialized sites, but I am annoyed by the monothematic when they discuss the same thing for years.
                  1. +2
                    14 December 2020 16: 46
                    Somewhere flashed "war materials", what is it?
                    1. +2
                      14 December 2020 17: 27
                      Quote: Astra wild2
                      Somewhere flashed "war materials", what is it?

                      It's not interesting, Astra!
                      1. +1
                        14 December 2020 21: 29
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, Viktor Nikolaevich and I were worried that you, or Valery, or both, would leave the site and then BORING. So I'm looking for an "alternate airfield"
                      2. +1
                        15 December 2020 06: 41
                        Quote: Astra wild2
                        So I'm looking for an "alternate airfield"

                        I will not leave
                      3. +2
                        15 December 2020 16: 08
                        I'M HAPPY!
    3. +4
      13 December 2020 19: 01
      Promotion: bring a nice friend to the joy of young Vera? Or now - hide the forum thread from everyone?
      1. +4
        13 December 2020 19: 50
        Sergey "corsair", and at 16 you wanted to see the same girls dancing? I doubt it. I came across a student aphorism "the less often we go to dances, the more new and interesting girls we see."
        1. +5
          13 December 2020 20: 23
          I remembered myself at 16. Thank you for that, Vera.
          Everything with me is not like people.
  14. +5
    13 December 2020 16: 45
    "they wrapped their helmet around so that it doesn't get very hot in the sun" I remembered Tefal's ad: knights ride through the desert and fall from sunstroke, and one instead of a helmet is a frying pan from Tefal and he sings songs
  15. +3
    13 December 2020 17: 45
    Quote: HanTengri
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    I’m wondering what made Sir Knight put on a stuffed donkey on his helmet !!!

    I think this was invented by Sir's quick-witted squire, who was tired of constant questions like: "Well, where has this donkey gone ?! Run away, find him!".

    So he wears his donkey on his head?
    1. +4
      13 December 2020 18: 36
      The question is respected Vera, and how does the knight's horse feel about this, who has to work out both for a donkey and a squire! A theme that was not worked out by the famous Cervantes in "Donquixote" !!! laughing
      I realize the sadness of the descendants of this knight - who hid the ancestor's monogram under the green of the maiden grapes!
      “Grandfather's coat of arms? What a grandfather's coat of arms !!! " laughing
      1. +3
        13 December 2020 23: 18
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        What a grandfather's coat of arms !!!

        A dead nag named Rosinant, plus a fat donkey.
        1. +1
          14 December 2020 05: 19
          Question? What do you prefer to serve horse meat beef stroganoff or donkey cutlets for breakfast - Ser?
          1. +2
            14 December 2020 05: 24
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            horse meat stroganoff or donkey cutlets prefer

            Beef stroganoff. From beef, that is, cows. Just for the toothless Stroganov, the cook invented it.
            1. +2
              14 December 2020 07: 08
              Steaks from these artiodactyls would be more dangerous than themselves as vehicles!
  16. BAI
    +6
    13 December 2020 20: 25
    Coat of arms of the African state of Botswana. In addition to purely national symbols on the coat of arms, zebras are its supporters.

    Well, if we are talking about Africa and zebras, then the Kalashnikov assault rifle is not a sin to remember

    Coat of arms of Zimbabwe. Both antelopes and a machine gun.
    There are versions of the coat of arms, where instead of a machine gun some kind of stick sticks out.
  17. Fat
    +3
    13 December 2020 23: 11
    I can't look at the coat of arms of Great Britain without shuddering. Too cool in "Alice Through the Looking Glass" Carroll played on the theme ... "They again took up their own" (c)
    Apparently, the King didn't really want to sit between the Unicorn and the Lion, but there was nothing to do: there was no other place for him.
    “But now we could arrange a magnificent battle for the crown,” said the Unicorn, glancing slyly at the King. The poor King trembled so much that the crown nearly flew off his head.
    “I would have won easily,” said Lev.
    “I doubt it,” said the Unicorn.
    smile
  18. Fat
    +3
    13 December 2020 23: 47
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I wonder if you are planning a place for the family coats of arms of the Italian "popolo grasso" in this cycle? Just impressed by the coat of arms of the Medici family at one time. In the golden field there are five red balls and in the head one is the largest blue one, with three golden lilies. The balls are arranged with an inner border (1, 2, 2,1). The blue "pill" with lilies was granted by Louis XI "to these Medici villans."

    1. +3
      13 December 2020 23: 54
      somehow our Spartak fans came to Barcelona. , And painted the Italian flag on the T-shirts. Nobody bought it. Barcelona has its own flag!
      1. +1
        15 December 2020 12: 44
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Italian flag on t-shirts

        Why did the Italian flag have to be bought in Barcelona?
  19. +3
    14 December 2020 00: 08
    [media = https: //topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-12/1607493719_10_-gerb-botsvany.jpg]
    In Romanian, the word on the coat of arms of Botswana is a very bad word.
    I wonder if they have diplomatic relations
  20. +1
    14 December 2020 18: 35
    Quote: Phil77
    You still

    And further!
    1. 0
      15 December 2020 12: 43
      I was in this castle, there are not only handles, all over the castle there are images of a raven pecking an eye ... such touching "pictures".
  21. 0
    29 January 2021 12: 40
    - ABOUT! The coat of arms of Germany ... And at the core is the coat of arms of Prussia!
    - The Black Prussian Eagle, the Red Eagle of Brandenburg, the Order of the "Black Eagle" - the highest military order of Prussia, the Crown of the German Empire, which never received a real embodiment in precious metals ...
  22. 0
    4 March 2021 14: 39
    Sometimes naked men with clubs can act not only as supporters, but also as the coat of arms itself. Moreover, in completely unexpected places, where they cannot be expected

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