Europe advised Ukraine "not even to think" about the military option of resolving the issue with Donbass

In Europe, they pay attention to the fact that in Ukraine they began to speak much more actively about the possibility of a military solution to the issue in Donbass after what happened in Nagorno-Karabakh. Some Ukrainian representatives stated the need to "use the Azerbaijani experience in terms of restoring territorial integrity."

These statements are commented by the columnist Stanislava Garkotova from the Slovak edition of "Actuality".

From the material:

Ukraine is again discussing what lessons can be learned from Azerbaijan's operation. And although the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Khomchak said that there could be no military solution to the issue in the Donbass, Ukraine conducted exercises using means similar to those that allowed Azerbaijan to gain an advantage during the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh.

The Slovak edition contains a statement by the representative of Charles University (Czech Republic) Marek Prshigoda. According to him, Ukraine and Donbass are distinguished from Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh by such an important detail as the absence of a country that Kiev could unequivocally rely on by starting hostilities. Turkey turned out to be such a country for Azerbaijan.

Pshigoda:

Turkey is a strong regional player with great military potential. Ukraine has no ally of this format. It is supported by a number of Western countries, but politically and economically. Moreover, these allies are categorically against the military operation of Ukraine.

The statement of the head of the Munich Security Conference Wolfgang Ischinger, who answered the question of Ukrainian journalists about whether it is possible for Ukraine in the Donbas to repeat the Azerbaijani experience in Karabakh, is also cited. Ischinger said bluntly that Ukraine "shouldn't even think about it." According to him, this will lead Ukraine to war with Russia, which will end catastrophically for Kiev. At the same time, Ischinger "reassured" Ukrainian journalists with the words that "Ukraine is a potentially very rich country." I just forgot to add an important word - "was", given the current state and situation in the economy in 2013.

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[Profiler]

Europe advised Ukraine "not even to think" about the military option of resolving the issue with Donbass

It remains to be understood how high and authoritative is the level of European officials giving such advice for Ukraine. And than such warnings are practically supported by Europe.
And to what extent the territory of insanity itself is ready and able to adequately perceive such statements.

[Lech from Android.]

how high and authoritative is the level of European officials giving such advice for Ukraine.

For Bandera, any EU official is a representative of a superior race ... and if it is an American ... it is generally an exceptional nation.

Serve well, slave thinks in his mind this American ...

[Temples]

Ukraine is a potentially very rich country

Lies.
The land is fertile there.
There are minerals.
A failed state.
There is essentially no country.

[beeper]

Quote: Temples

Ukraine is a potentially very rich country

Lies.
The land is fertile there.
There are minerals.
A failed state.
There is essentially no country.

This is exactly said!
Take, for example, the "privatizer" of our plant, who, taking advantage of the "Maidan" actual lawlessness, has been "delaying" our salaries for years with impunity (as in the 90s, he is waiting for the hryvnia to completely "fall" and he, figuratively, will exchange $ 100 and "pay off "all the numerous wage arrears of workers), and all the factory profits, depriving the working capital, he puts on his pocket, wastefully squandering in casinos and restaurants, and 6 times a year resting in Europe (they say, and he let himself out, boasted in front of the hard workers who have apartments in Paris and Berlin - in the spring of 2014, during the banderlozh "repartition of the loot", when his Kiev "roof" was demolished and "offered" a new, more greedy, "the toad crushed" the redneck and out of fear he was even going there , to Europe, permanently "fade") and in tropical resorts!
But also, the huge Soviet "margin of safety" is almost destroyed, and even this "w / Bandera" destructive break of ties with Russia, so that the plant's profits have significantly depleted - so far only an insignificant "Euro-export segment" "keeps afloat" a little!
And so, yes, the former Ukrainian SSR has potential, but not with this Maidan-nouveau-riche bourgeois klepto power w / Banderonazi-style!

[Alexander Kopychev]

And so, yes, the former Ukrainian SSR has potential, but not with this Maidan-nouveau-riche bourgeois klepto power w / Banderonazi-style!

May Russia never leave you !!! Let's break through !!!

[fruc]

.... Ischinger said bluntly that Ukraine "shouldn't even think about it." According to him, this will lead Ukraine to war with Russia, which will end catastrophically for Kiev ...

Who Ischinger is, nobody needs his statements and nobody heard them. So far, we are witnessing the opposite - active preparation and militarization.

[Grits]

Quote: frruc

Ischinger said bluntly that Ukraine "shouldn't even think about it." According to him, this will lead Ukraine to war with Russia.

Doesn't this Ischinger know that Ukraine has been fighting heroically with Russia for 7 years already? What an unforgivable ignorance ...

[hydrox]

Now I’ll say obscenity, but it’s boiling: all this Bandera trash is asleep and sees in a dream - how would it be to "break the Donbass"!
For me, it's better to have a terrible end for the Banderlog (no matter how many of them gathered in the Donbass, but let ALL of them go to the stuffing (they are still war criminals, no matter how they deny the military tribunal!)!) just as the Nazis failed to defeat the Soviets.
Only for Crimea this is the only SANE exit to the water :: go to Kherson and Kakhovsky water reservoir. and unblock the CCM.

[Clear]

Quote: Lech from Android.

how high and authoritative is the level of European officials giving such advice for Ukraine.

For Bandera, any EU official is a representative of a superior race ... and if it is an American ... it is generally an exceptional nation.

Serve well, slave thinks in his mind this American ...

Or rather, "good serve..."

[Alexander Kopychev]

Or rather, "you serve well ..."

Oh my lord! So Ukraine "liberated" Europe from fascism, they counted 4 Ukrainian fronts there, and not a single Russian. And now kneel in front of this airship?

[Cuba]

And what about the sharovarnik in the photo the motnya so sagged? ... crap ??

[fruc]

You had to take off your cap (bare your bald spot) and become a "crustacean".

[Clear]

Quote: Cuba

... fucked up ??

So it's for joy!

[alex neym_2]

You are standing beautifully! Get on the second knee - it will not be valuable and the money will be thrown for a vacation in the Maldives.

[EvilLion]

This does not prevent European officials from bred for grandmothers.

[beeper]

Lech from Android
.... Serve well, slave thinks in his mind this American ...

And yet, along the way, the white Sahib was not at all opposed to this banderokholui in a cap, prostrate himself and kiss the master's shoes ?!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Lech from Android.

.And if it is an American ... so generally an exceptional nation.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lech from Android.

For Bandera, any EU official is a representative of a superior race ... and if it is an American ... it is generally an exceptional nation.

There is a type of people who crawl on their belly in front of money, hoping that pennies will break off for them ... Such people will tolerate kicks and slaps, kneel down. All elite Bandera Svido ukrov is so! But how they kick their people!

[neri73-r]

Quote: 30 vis

But how they kick their people!

This is compensation for the feeling and understanding of your worthlessness! Like you're even worse!

[Uncle lee]

which will end disastrously for Kiev

This is a very important message. Will he reach the ukrovermacht?

[Temples]

The Germans are spectacular. And rightly so.
Fritz makes it clear that in the event of hostilities, Ukraine will end.
The Russians will bury the hooded people.
The German is worried about his project, which is already a hundred years old.

And the Fritz doesn't care about the Natsik under the blue-yellow rags.

[Grits]

Quote: Temples

German worries about his project

The German just knows ... His grandfather told him.

[dzvero]

Will it reach the ukrovermacht?

Judging by the statements of their generals - no simple way. There will be a political decision (Biden will push or believe in their own power, it doesn't matter) - they will rush.

[Kart]

Especially if they promise a lot of money for it.

[Cuba]

Ukraine to the Wehrmacht is like cancer from Zhmerynki to Beijing!

[major147]

Quote from Uncle Lee

ukroverrmacht?

Yes, you flatter them! Makhnovists ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Profiler

And how much the territory of madness itself is ready and able to adequately perceive such statements.

Well, the self-preservation instinct is well developed even in animals.
I believe they will stake on special operations, sabotage, provocations ... and calls for sanctions against Russia.

[Profiler]

Quote: Terenin

I believe they will stake on special operations, sabotage, provocations ... and calls for sanctions against Russia.

But the fact is that Ukraine is not only acting against the republics of Donbass, but also carrying out special operations on our territory.

The comment from the photo of the Ukrainian SSO officer killed by our border guards was deleted, but let's try this, without a photo, but with a link to it - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/?skip=15

And in essence:

As you know, recently, on our border with Ukraine, a battle broke out between our border guards and soldiers of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, involved in the operation to move to the adjacent territory a citizen of the Russian Federation, captured and forcibly held by SBU officers and their liaisons operating on our territory in the Belgorod region.
The kidnapped citizen of Russia, by injection (presumably the muscle relaxant ditilin), was made incapacitated.
Then the group went to the area at the junction of the Belgorod and Voronezh regions, which passes near the border with Ukraine, where an unsuccessful attempt was made to exfiltrate the group.
On the other side of the border, they were provided with fire support from the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result of the ensuing clash with the FSB of the Russian Federation, one soldier of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed, and work is also underway to identify an agent network in Russia.

The citizen of Russia was released and is safe.

[Lech from Android.]

Thanks for the interesting link ... very informative.
Didn't know that the Iranians had advanced weapons.

[Avior]

I would also like to know which of this corresponds to reality
Kolonelkpsad is a so-so source.
If you believe this version, then the Ukrainian SBU behaves in Russia as on the territory of some Bantustan - they were kidnapped, transported and only by a miracle they were stopped at the border. Well, they allegedly moved across the border, but what if they were demonstratively executed on the spot, for example? To everyone else who was in the Donbass after that to flee to confess, until the SBU reached them?
Hard to believe, to be honest. Not the SBU, but some sort of Massad.
Just look, the SBU will tell it and the doomsday plane was gutted.

[Glory1974]

Hard to believe, to be honest. Not the SBU, but some sort of Massad.

The threat is real. I was on the border of Ukraine and the Russian Federation a couple of years ago. On the poles there were announcements that terrorists of Slavic nationality could act from the Ukrainian side. There were reports that the Nazis had abandoned several groups of saboteurs. The people were worried, in the central media they were silent about this.

[Avior]

I say, straight Massad.
and is there any real data about it?
I have never seen such.

[Glory1974]

they don't attract the Mossad, but they work in this direction.
As far as I understand, the abduction of citizens from the DPR and LPR, Crimea will no longer surprise you.
According to our statistics, I think it is classified. Officially, we have no terrorist attacks this year.

[Avior]

I know only one case - when a pvoshnik was kidnapped from the DNR
And not surprising, because I am skeptical about such really unconfirmed information

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Terenin

Well, the self-preservation instinct is well developed even in animals.

These are not animals! These are stoned Svido Natsiks. They have no sense of self-preservation!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Terenin

Well, the self-preservation instinct is well developed even in animals.

These are not animals! These are stoned Svido Natsiks. They have no sense of self-preservation!

No tower woodpeckers. What a sense of self-preservation you can talk about! Bandera idiots!

[Terenin]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Terenin

Well, the self-preservation instinct is well developed even in animals.

These are not animals! These are stoned Svido Natsiks. They have no sense of self-preservation!

I agree that animals cannot be compared with Natsik

[Errr]

Quote: Profiler

It remains to understand how high and authoritative for Ukraine is the level of European officials giving such advice

With the level, everything is in order there. Wolfgang Ischinger is a German diplomat, chairman of the annual Munich International Security Conference since 2009, and since May 2014, also the OSCE mediator in the Ukrainian conflict, appointed for negotiations between Kiev and the regions.

[Profiler]

Quote: Herrr

With the level, everything is in order there. Wolfgang Ischinger - German diplomat

But not the Chancellor, and not even the Minister of Foreign Affairs ...

[venik]

Quote: Profiler

It remains to be understood how high and authoritative for Ukraine the level of European officials giving such advice is.

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And here - just like Raikin: "Here we play, here we do not play ... ". If the advice:" Abroad will help you "is extremely high!
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Quote: Profiler

And to what extent the territory of insanity itself is ready and able to adequately perceive such statements.

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The territory is NOT ready ..... But there are "Gauleiters" (who control the territory) ......

[Kart]

Quote: Profiler

It remains to be understood how high and authoritative for Ukraine the level of European officials giving such advice is.

The main thing is to understand that there is no and cannot be a single formation of "European officials", just as there is no single concept of "power" and "people". This is all for the near shkolota rallies.
Whatever individual European officials may say, the result may actually be quite the opposite.
Personally, I am sure that the "West" as a whole is pushing Ukraine into the beginning of an urgent war with Russia.
They have been waiting for seven years, they paid so much money - but there is still no war and no.
It is clear that they are not interested in Ukraine as a result. Their global task is at least to weaken Russia as much as possible. It is for this that they invest in any cannon fodder that, according to their calculations, is capable of such results.

[askort154]

"... as the absence of a country that Kiev could unequivocally rely on by starting hostilities .. "

How is it not ?! All events in Ukraine are going according to the plan of the United States, which every year increases the supply of weapons to Ukraine and prepares them for hostilities, even within the city. Ukraine pins all hopes not on Europe, but on the United States, not realizing that the United States will not openly get involved against Russia for them, but uses it as a supplier of slaughter meat. "

[Pessimist22]

I agree with your opinion, the United States will give the command and trample the non-brothers.

[Fungus]

In short, they have a plan B. If they do not agree to open the border, they will launch it. The plan is likely to be an attack on all fronts using UAVs. The militia needs to supply the means of detecting and destroying this technology.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Pessimist22

USA will give command

As in 08.08.08 they gave a command to Sahak, he didn’t know that he couldn’t resist without the United States, but flogged - they promised support, but threw it! The scenario is repeated.

[Pessimist22]

Quite right, everything is heading towards this, arms deliveries, joint training.

[nikvic46]

I am not a hurray-patriot. But I think that there should be no double standards in relation to Donbass. We often make excuses that there are no Russian military in Donbass. As if it were Spain or France. In the Independent one they reject the legitimacy of the Soviet regime. But it was She who presented and Crimea and Donbass.

[Profiler]

Quote: nikvic46

She, in the person of Khrushchev, gave both Crimea and Donbass.

I don’t want to look like “NS Khrushchev’s lawyer,” but still the Donbass was transferred to Ukraine by VI Lenin, in order to strengthen the proletarian component there.

[Egoza]

Quote: nikvic46

But it was She, in the person of Khrushchev, who gave both Crimea and Donbass.

You are not right. Donbass presented to Ukraine V.I. Lenin. They say that there is a small working class, only peasants (kulaks). So now we are disentangling.

[Glory1974]

You are not right. Donbass gave Ukraine V.I. Lenin.

Both of you are wrong. Donbass and Crimea were donated by Yeltsin by signing the Belovezhskaya Agreements “in the administrative boundaries in force at the time of signing.” Although the issue was raised, they did not discuss it.
Relatively speaking, everything that came before him was the rearrangement of furniture in the apartment, but Yeltsin gave the rooms along with the furniture.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Forgive me, but you are not entirely right, the Bolsheviks are no less to blame than Yeltsin, if not for their shameful policy of "Ukrainization", now all these problems would not exist!

[Glory1974]

the Bolsheviks are to blame no less than Yeltsin, if not for their shameful policy of "Ukrainization", now all these problems would not exist!

This is no longer funny. My neighbor blames Putin for everything, he speaks with him and became worse, although under Brezhnev this did not happen
The Bolsheviks really solved the problems they faced. Good or bad, another question. The current government is groaning that for 100 years someone made the wrong decisions, so they do not succeed in public administration
It's like I blamed my grandfather that he did not build a house according to Feng Shui, so my salary is small.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

It's really nothing funny!

The Bolsheviks really solved the problems they faced

And what problem did they solve when fighting "Russian great-power chauvinism"?
And advise your neighbor to consult a doctor of the appropriate specialty!

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

How would you like it if you were fired for refusing to learn any Newspeak and run all the paperwork in it?

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Whether you like it or not, it is the Bolsheviks who bear a large share of the responsibility for creating this painful chimera, which is now called "Ukrainians". The violent Ukrainization of a part of the Russian people in favor of the erroneous ideas of the indigenization of the outskirts ultimately led to the situation that we now have.

[Glory1974]

I do not dispute the fact of Ukrainization. I'm not saying they didn't make mistakes.
But the fact is that they solved the problems as best they could, and at the same time did not moan and did not complain that the king was interfering with them, who died 100 years ago.
Who prevents the current government from looking at least a couple of years ahead?
Why were brothers made enemies? While the United States pursued a policy of nationalization in Ukraine, they molded Russian enemies, what did our government do? NOTHING!
And he is trying to justify his incapacity by the fact that 100 years ago someone interfered with them ?! It's funny to hear, although it hurts.
That's what I'm writing about.

[Mavrikiy]

Turkey is a strong regional player with great military potential. Ukraine has no ally of this format.

Rave. Turkey may well become such an ally over time. Will transfer barmaleevs from Syria and UAVs, the rest ...

[Thrifty]

Information passed by the site that on the 4th of this year, when our border guards killed one of the three who tried to cross the border, the FSB thwarted an attempt to steal and withdraw from Russia a former volunteer who fought in the Donbass against the Natsiks and vlads. The SBU in our country found him, they got into trust in the man, then they drank him, tied him up, and took him almost to the border. The armed troika was just going to pick him up from our territory. The operation was carried out by the SBU and the MTR of uk-Rodinia (Special Operations Forces) They are at home here, according to the lists they find and take the militias to the court in the ue-roin. Yesterday many sites shouted about this, except for the topvar !!!

[New Year day]

Quote: Thrifty

... They are here at home, according to the lists they find and take out

I will say more, everyone arriving at the Simferopol airport from the mainland automatically becomes banned from entering Ukraine, and these persons somehow immediately become known to the SBU. Several of my friends have already tested this on themselves.

[evgen1221]

Well, in the light of the send to the nullified sickly signal between the eyes from the leg, in the form of an incident with the most secret plane, Ukrov will be kept from suicide. We are waiting for a loud deflection from the P, as was the case with the stop signal to Mariupol after the glonas was turned off by amers.

[Fungus]

What do you smoke all the time? What is the shutdown of glonas by amers?

[evgen1221]

Monitor the media for 2014-15, After loud boilers and when the road to Mariupol was clear, there was a one-time shutdown for 2 days of GLONASS satellites, after talking on the phone with Obama, after a stop signal and the registration of the current borders of the DPR and LPR. See media tv archives, everything is there.

[anclevalico]

Dumato is possible, but nothing more ...

[Mykhalych]

"..." using the Azerbaijani experience in terms of restoring territorial integrity "..."- At what I understand, the introduction of Russian peacekeepers ...?

[APASUS]

Ukraine is a leading player and the leading role is played by the Americans. The aggravation with the Russians in the United States will be needed and the APU will receive everything they need to conduct hostilities. The Yankees are also organizing a front to support the Ukrainians from the EU members, just of those who are against the war with the Russians.

[Avior]

... Certain Ukrainian representatives said

I would like to understand what kind of representatives and who they are representatives
Officials in Ukraine have not stated anything like this, strictly on the contrary, there are statements that only through peaceful means, etc.
And so there is a comment, it is not clear whose statements.
It's one thing if they are people who represent someone or something, and quite another thing if they are some kind of journalists or political scientists in pursuit of self-promotion and rating.
In my opinion, such discussions should begin with the question - who announced?

[New Year day]

The Germans are, of course, good. But Ukraine has closer partners - Poland and, now, the United States.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

But Ukraine has closer partners - Poland and, now, the United States.

A regional partner is needed here, and the United States is thousands of miles away from the "independent" one, and the likelihood of allied aid is equal to "Armenian aid". Poland is nearby, but the Poles love the Sumerians with such tender love, for the "Volyn massacre", for Kresy. They will remember everything to them.

[tihonmarine]

"Ukraine is a potentially very rich country." I just forgot to add an important word - "was", given the current state and situation in the economy in 2013.

And now "dollarization is dumb", and the IMF does not give anything until the New Year, and after January 1, as the Arabs say "Inshallah!" Everyone is in debt, as in silk, with the world on a thread, bare footcloths.
Galloped, squandered, did not have time to look back - poverty.

[Svetlana]

The letter and letter are in their blood (as well as ours). Therefore, no matter what, they can attack.

[Mikhail3]

Here are just European chatter does not have the slightest significance, Europe is not the political subject to decide something. As their real rulers say in the USA, it will be so. And Europe will obediently swallow. And even more so all the Young Europeans there! To me, too, an authoritative opinion, the tree is a stick ...

[cniza]

Ischinger said bluntly that Ukraine "shouldn't even think about it."

Still another enemy of Ukraine ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Ischinger said bluntly that Ukraine "shouldn't even think about it."

Still another enemy of Ukraine ...

This, only after the go-ahead from the owner.

[rotmistr60]

Tell the stubborn nationalist, advise, but he will still go through one place. Now they will bribe drones from Turkey, Turkish colonels who have arrived from Azerbaijan to Kiev will help develop an offensive plan and forward inspired by their "invincibility". Remember Georgia - the Americans dressed, shod, gave weapons, instructors taught something (to pose and take racks in front of the camera) and overestimated self-esteem flooded over the edge. We went to Tskhinvali proud, cheerful, shot at everything that moves, like in a movie. But it turned out not to be a movie. They fled in a cowardly manner who could throw away their weapons.

[Alexander Kopychev]

At the same time, Ischinger "reassured" Ukrainian journalists with the words that "Ukraine is a potentially very rich country." I just forgot to add an important word - "was"

Everyone is burying Nenku, and their chernozems will not run out in any way! And the paper, although green, will remain paper. When will the hangover end and rinse your head? I'm tired of "fighting" with them, God forgive me!

[iouris]

"Europe has gone to (...)" (Vika Nuland).

[Victoria Ivanova]

.... Europe by one third determines the actions of the square in relation to Donbass, two thirds in the hands of the United States - as they say, so it will

[Vladimir61]

The statements of individual politicians, and even more so of journalists and experts, are not yet "Europe". Europe is the EU, the EU is NATO, and NATO is the United States! This is the starting point.

[Sergey74]

Quote: evgen1221

Monitor the media for 2014-15, After loud boilers and when the road to Mariupol was clear, there was a one-time shutdown for 2 days of GLONASS satellites, after talking on the phone with Obama, after a stop signal and the registration of the current borders of the DPR and LPR. See media tv archives, everything is there.

What are you smoking there? How can you turn off someone else's satellite constellation? Do not make me laugh....

[Alex Nevs]

In short, they are ready to divide the okrajna into small vinaigrette like Yugoslavia.

[Yellow bubble]

Zionists in power in Ukraine do not care how much Rusichs will kill each other, because they are gogh
magogi and must die, that the Russian that the Ukrainian for them is the same !!! Brothers of Rus do not see each other for delirium and provocations of world Zionism, be smarter !!!