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Nuclear allusion

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This article was written in response to Timokhin's Nuclear Illusions.


Hit the main nodes


The original article considers two options for a nuclear strike on US soil. And its author comes to the conclusion that even under ideal conditions, the capabilities of the United States to wage war will remain. Two options under consideration: for strategic weapons and for the enemy population, respectively. I agree with the main conclusions of the article.

The Launcher Strike is a scenario that has been thought out to the smallest detail over the past 70 years and requires significant efforts to achieve modest results. This is a click on the enemy's strong point. Historically, it can be compared to tank battle (on Zamulin - defeat) at Prokhorovka.

A more correct scenario is a strike on a vulnerable spot of the enemy, like the actions of the Wehrmacht in 1941 or the Red Army in 1944-1945. A breakthrough in a weak spot, a pogrom of headquarters, carts, warehouses and columns on the march. You might think that a kick in a sore spot is just the second scenario considered in the article, the barbaric destruction of the civilian population. The author concludes that it will not be possible to inflict fatal damage.

Indeed, strikes against the most densely populated areas will target less of the population, and this population will more often be poor and of color. And the States can import such a contingent in unlimited quantities and practically free of charge. If they want to. Careful counting may also counter the effect that such weeding has reduced the number of eaters and grievances and increased military capabilities. There will not be enough bombs for the extensive one-story buildings.

I would also like to note that even the Mongols of Genghis Khan did not set goals for the destruction of the population. It is difficult and pointless. Although often this, of course, ended.

The collapse of the global network


I will note the main weakness in the author's constructions. His reflections follow the logic of the Cold War, when most countries in the world had self-sufficient economies.

Thirty years of globalization have significantly changed the balance. And today the world economy is a global network. A relatively unipolar world led to this, as well as the most basic economic patterns described by Adam Smith. Concentration and specialization grew, and labor productivity soared. The division of labor expanded.

This means that the suspension of the activities of this global network will create the countries of the world, including the United States, a huge mass of problems that will be of higher priority than the war with Russia. Whoever makes the screws will be left without nuts, and vice versa. New computerized tractors often cannot plow without a satellite and the Internet.

Breaking complex networks is a well-studied discipline that did not emerge yesterday. For communication networks, organizations and conspiracies, the fight against drug trafficking and the spread of rumors - here from ancient times to our time, there is one rule: hit the main nodes. Only now mathematical models have come to the aid of the military.

Networks have their own laws of concentration. To minimize the diameter of the network (ie, the forwarding steps), an efficient system inevitably has central nodes. Their destruction turns the net into a garland or completely fragments it.

What are the main nodes of this global network? These are ports, railway junctions, communication and data storage centers. Importantly, most of these facilities are located on the outskirts. And strikes on them do not lead to large-scale casualties of the population.

My approximate estimate of the number of such anchor points in the United States is 100.

Ports and telecommunications


Let's consider these points in more detail.

First, these are the 20 largest ports. The USA is unusually lucky with geography, the main population of the country lives along three coasts. Looking at their geography, it is generally not clear why they are climbing somewhere else. It would seem, live - yes rejoice. It is important that the ports are used for both external and internal logistics. In addition, each port is a huge fuel and lubricants warehouse. Double benefit, as they say.

The second class of nodes is telecommunication. Google has a dozen datacenters. Amazon has the bulk of its equipment, in general, concentrated in two complexes near Washington. There is also a giant NSA Bumblehive datacenter, which contains a lot of compromising evidence on all our politicians. I think this goal will be a priority in any development of the conflict.

Internet connectivity is provided, first of all, by traffic exchange points located in large cities. In the event of inevitable strikes against the 20 largest cities, little will remain of this infrastructure.

The third class of nodes are key industrial facilities, including a strategic oil reserve. The destruction of processor manufacturing, starting with the Intel complex in Arizona, will put an end to the US technological leadership forever.

The fourth is miscellaneous. Railway junctions, strategic warehouses, and further according to the textbook.

All these are very expensive objects that were built in conditions of peace, abundance, a working industry and logistics. If these goals are defeated, even with a saved population, the States will need to deal with their problems for ten years. And then return to thoughts of expansion. If there is still such an opportunity.

Most likely, China will have mastered everywhere by that time.

Key to peace


So, the more important problem I see is the protection of the Russian infrastructure and population from a blow.

Losing control of the global economy is not a problem that may worry us.

The survival of million-plus cities in such scenarios is much more urgent. If the population had been at least stretched along the high-speed lines, the situation would have been noticeably better.

To summarize.

The key to peace is the unacceptability of war for the enemy's elite.

They can somehow survive the destruction of half the population.

The destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth is not.
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  1. lucul
    lucul 12 December 2020 15: 06
    -1
    Oh, what will begin now)))
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 12 December 2020 18: 56
      -16%
      Yes, the fence has come out.
      Google has a dozen datacenters. Amazon has the bulk of the equipment
      this is a blow to your own people. YouTube will be put and porn sites. Yes, the power of the United States will fall from this laughing Military datacenters are located deep underground and are not in danger.
      And how do you like it
      The destruction of processor manufacturing, starting with the Intel complex in Arizona, will put an end to the US technological leadership forever.
      And nothing that these microcircuits are produced in China? All production processes are located there. The Chinese have no access to technology. It's like with the TLS company. The entire production process was in China. As soon as the USA became objectionable, they simply shut down production remotely. The Chinese could not launch it. (Sorry I wanted to buy a smartphone cheaper and more powerful than analogues)
      And if you look at the map of the United States, it was as if they were preparing for war, everything is decentralized. We have everything in Moscow and the Moscow region. Even all roads pass through Moscow, and a blow to Moscow almost completely paralyzes communications. And most importantly, it destroys all management (Unless she goes to Petersburg to Kobaeva laughing )
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 12 December 2020 19: 31
        -5
        Quote: Imobile
        And nothing that these microcircuits are produced in China?

        the best processors are produced only in America
      2. Xenofont
        Xenofont 12 December 2020 19: 34
        +3
        All mikruha with, conditionally, military and space acceptance in China is not produced. Current states, japan, south korea.
        1. Anachoret
          Anachoret 13 December 2020 02: 19
          +3
          All mikruha with, conditionally, military and space acceptance in China is not produced. Current states, japan, south korea.

          Oh, not all), for example, the lion's share of memory is produced in Iceland and Malaysia
      3. O. Bender
        O. Bender 13 December 2020 00: 12
        +3
        For ours, in quotes, a blow to London and Washington is worse than a blow to Moscow laughing
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 12 December 2020 21: 50
      +6
      In a dispute, truth is born!
      I read both articles, they complement each other well.
      The main thing is to never know how it really will be. bully
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 13 December 2020 23: 24
      +2
      The article is curious and definitely better than Timokhin.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 15 December 2020 16: 39
        +2
        We remember: "Advice of an outsider" by V. I. Lenin "... To be sure to be busy .. a) telephone, b) telegraph, c) railway stations d) bridges ..." We hit key points. Since then, nothing has changed.
  2. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 12 December 2020 15: 06
    +14
    Oh, this fetish for nuclear ashes over Washington.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 15: 19
      +4
      Oh, this fetish for nuclear ashes over Washington.

      But how impressive it looks in Hollywood films.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 15 December 2020 16: 41
        -1
        Again special effects ... I prefer shooting on location. repeat
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 12 December 2020 15: 07
    +2
    The destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth is not.

    Boom to think that a madman, a fanatic-maniac will never get to the "red button" !!!
    And so, our "vigorous loaves" are always ready and I hope no one harbors illusions that they will not be used for their intended purpose.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 15: 14
      +5
      Boom to think that a madman, a fanatic-maniac will never get to the "red button" !!!

      Well, Truman got it hi and pressed it twice giving the order to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
      Where is the guarantee that in the United States some stoned president will not give the order to fly his beautiful and wonderful missiles towards Russia.
      The destruction of the leaders of other US states under far-fetched pretexts (great hello to Paurs's test tube) raises the question of the survival of the recalcitrant US countries squarely.
      Iran now, after a number of well-known events, will also have to resolve this issue.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 12 December 2020 16: 25
        -5
        Iran now, after a number of well-known events, will also have to resolve this issue.

        The issue can be resolved simply. America is known to be wildly dependent on imports. And imports come from transportation, mainly by sea container. Which, the stump is clear, practically no one checks, because you are worried .. So - you just need to tell the Americans the topic that bad uncles sent a dozen nuclear devices to different ports of America in containers .. And that's it, a kirdyk will come on this transportation. With all the consequences .. For they will not be able not to check ALL containers, and believe ALL of them is not realistic, even in theory ..
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 12 December 2020 19: 33
          +8
          Quote: paul3390
          Iran now, after a number of well-known events, will also have to resolve this issue.

          The issue can be resolved simply. America is known to be wildly dependent on imports. And imports come from transportation, mainly by sea container. Which, the stump is clear, practically no one checks, because you are worried .. So - you just need to tell the Americans the topic that bad uncles sent a dozen nuclear devices to different ports of America in containers .. And that's it, a kirdyk will come on this transportation. With all the consequences .. For they will not be able not to check ALL containers, and believe ALL of them is not realistic, even in theory ..


          All containers are X-rayed twice.

          Not in theory. but in real practice.

          And you learn materiel
          1. sedoj
            sedoj 12 December 2020 23: 40
            +6
            Quote: SovAr238A
            All containers are X-rayed twice.

            Here you are wrong. Only air cargo is subject to absolute control. Containers have a selective system. And also if it is suspected of something. And on a tip, of course. It takes 5 to 10 minutes to illuminate one container. Several ships are simultaneously unloaded and loaded in the port, carrying hundreds of containers. This is what kind of plug is formed if all container ships go through x-rays. Customs knows who to check.
            For example - This is part of the port of Hamburg:

            And this is an X-ray unit:

            So judge for yourself.
            1. t-12
              t-12 14 December 2020 00: 02
              +2
              If desired, hundreds of these X-ray posts can be riveted. And shine through absolutely all containers. X-rays these days are a well-oiled thing and not expensive.

              Another thing is that if the container with the bomb got through the port of Hamburg, then it is too late to check the container.
    2. lucul
      lucul 12 December 2020 15: 15
      +15
      And so, our "vigorous loaves" are always ready and I hope no one harbors illusions that they will not be used for their intended purpose.

      You see, the West is seriously considering the question - that we don't have enough eggs for that. And that in conventional weapons we will lose the war to them. It makes sense to start a war, since we will not dare to use nuclear weapons)))
      1. apro
        apro 12 December 2020 15: 19
        +2
        Quote: lucul
        that we don't have enough eggs for this

        This is not a question of life and death, but a question of money. In this matter, flexibility is sometimes extraordinary ...
        1. lucul
          lucul 12 December 2020 15: 21
          +3
          This is not a question of life and death, but a question of money. In this matter, flexibility is sometimes extraordinary ...

          If a person is a huckster by nature, then he is, and if not, then this is a matter of principle))))
          1. apro
            apro 12 December 2020 15: 30
            +7
            Quote: lucul
            This is not a question of life and death, but a question of money. In this matter, flexibility is sometimes extraordinary ...

            If a person is a huckster by nature, then he is, and if not, then this is a matter of principle))))

            Do you see no traders above ??
        2. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 12 December 2020 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: apro
          This is not a question of life and death, but a question of money. In this matter, flexibility is sometimes extraordinary ...

          Well, we will definitely die with you. And whoever has money has a villa in New Zealand. The main thing is to dump on time. laughing
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 12 December 2020 21: 40
        +2
        Quote: lucul
        that we don't have enough eggs for this

        Not with us, but with the powerful bribe-takers. They bomb their "house" in the bastard.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 12 December 2020 16: 16
      +10
      our "vigorous loaves" are always ready and I hope no one harbors illusions that they will not be used as intended.

      So that's the problem ... That the Soviet Union, if something happens, shies away without hesitation - no one doubted it .. And our noneshnie - that, on their villas, apartments and assets in the West, perhaps they will bomb? Was this why they robbed the country and the people for 30 years? Hence the well-grounded suspicion that they fucking press the button - the toad will strangle it ..
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 12 December 2020 16: 23
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        No one doubted that the USSR would jump if something happened without hesitation.

        How tired of the same thing. The USSR did not bother anyone and this is a historical fact. As for the current government, if something happens, they will simply have nowhere to go, an example of which can serve as the fate of the same Kadaffi, so zhahnut.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 12 December 2020 16: 30
          +9
          And the truth - tired of this blind faith in the rationality and patriotism of the nonesh authorities .. The USSR - that is why nobody zhahnul. There was no need, because everyone already knew that he would hardly have pardon ...

          About Gaddafi - don't be funny. He just became unnecessary. And these - pay off as not to do figs. First time or what? Evon Deripaska - as they pinned him down, he handed over everything, everything looted by back-breaking labor, if only they left a little bit. And to hell who forbade him to transfer strategic objects to enemies .. And so - they will do everything. You have some very idealistic ideas about the strength of the bourgeois points ..
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 12 December 2020 17: 34
            -1
            Quote: paul3390
            tired of this blind faith in the rationality and patriotism of the new authorities

            Patriotism? Did I write something about it?
            Quote: Dart2027
            As for the current government, if something happens, they will simply have nowhere to go, an example of which can serve as the fate of the same Kadaffi, so zhahnut.

            Quote: paul3390
            He just became unnecessary. And these - pay off as not to do figs. First time or what?

            Well, who did Putin pay off from there? Or Shoigu?
            Quote: paul3390
            You have some very idealistic ideas about the strength of the bourgeois point.

            Quote: Dart2027
            SSR zhahnul nobody and this is a historical fact.

            By the way, all our bourgeoisie are from there.
          2. Imobile
            Imobile 12 December 2020 19: 00
            -16%
            The USSR was blown away by the Cuban missile crisis. It was then that they took us weakly and we had nothing to answer.
            1. lucul
              lucul 12 December 2020 19: 07
              +11
              The USSR was blown away by the Cuban missile crisis. It was then that they took us weakly and we had nothing to answer.

              They took it so badly that they quickly removed nuclear missiles from Turkey.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 12 December 2020 19: 45
              +5
              Quote: Imobile
              The USSR was blown away by the Cuban missile crisis. It was then that they took us weakly and we had nothing to answer.

              The West had the "Cuban missile crisis". We did not have any crisis. As a result of Operation Anadyr (if I'm not mistaken), the Union minimized the West's ability to have advantages in the use of nuclear weapons - so who's blown away? laughing
              1. Kisa
                Kisa 13 December 2020 01: 34
                +4
                Quote: Doliva63
                advantages in the use of nuclear weapons

                explain to me stupid - why it was not acceptable for Kenedy when 80 ships of the USSR brought and placed 20 cigars in Cuba and, like, even bluffed that Armageddon would start. and now we have these missiles around the entire perimeter of the former Soviet Union (2 minutes fly) and Turkey is already in flower (4 minutes fly). isn't Venezuela Cuba the same as Poland Baltic?
                parity is so-so .... or hours in the summer or minutes
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 13 December 2020 07: 17
                  0
                  Quote: kitty
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  advantages in the use of nuclear weapons

                  explain to me stupid - why it was not acceptable for Kenedy when 80 ships of the USSR brought and placed 20 cigars in Cuba and, like, even bluffed that Armageddon would start. and now we have these missiles around the entire perimeter of the former Soviet Union (2 minutes fly) and Turkey is already in flower (4 minutes fly). isn't Venezuela Cuba the same as Poland Baltic?
                  parity is so-so .... or hours in the summer or minutes

                  Well, this is already "bSSSR", as you noticed, and this is a completely different "song".
                  1. Kisa
                    Kisa 13 December 2020 07: 35
                    +1
                    not so formulated, I insist that there was no parity in the placement of yadrenbatons in the heyday of the USSR and after Khrushchev. and that we fed the Salvadorans and all these banana Latinos just about nothing.
                    with today's reality, you can compare the type of states - China if the parity criterion is flight time, then the Chinese have no chance
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 13 December 2020 08: 10
                      +2
                      Well, we found something to compare: states - china! laughing They are not enemies, they are competitors. At the current stage, anyway. The USSR was the enemy. Even when he was an ally. And a serious enemy. Remember when they tried to demolish Gaddafi in the 80s, a couple of Soviet ships on the Tripoli roadstead forced, as a result, the 6th (or whatever it was) fleet to get away? We were afraid, however! laughing And the fact that different Latinos were fed added weight in the world, which the Russian Federation has no trace of. Well, and tanks in Europe, of course. Global influence is expensive, but it is also expensive. It was difficult then to imagine that some kind of a limitrophe like Georgia could bite the USSR laughing
              2. Imobile
                Imobile 13 December 2020 12: 25
                -7
                The USSR was unable to deploy troops either in Cuba (the US enemy) or Canada, not Mexico (the US enemy). USA fulfilled their task
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 December 2020 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: Dart2027
          The USSR didn't bother anyone

          firstly, until the 70s they still remembered the victory of the USSR in the Second World War. Secondly, there were "Kuz'kina's mother" ... We remember the kissing Brezhnev, and we remember him as an old senile, and they saw wild military power
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 12 December 2020 20: 05
            +4
            Quote: aybolyt678
            firstly, until the 70s they still remembered the victory of the USSR in the Second World War.

            But you can rest on your laurels only up to a certain limit.
          2. lelik613
            lelik613 13 December 2020 05: 36
            +3
            Lenin's "insanity" was an order of magnitude more sane than the current casters in granite and soaps.
        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 12 December 2020 21: 42
          +4
          Quote: Dart2027
          an example of what the fate of the same Kadaffi can serve, so zhahnut.

          Oh, doubtful. Gaddafi had eggs, but these only had Faberge.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 12 December 2020 22: 48
            +1
            Quote: lis-ik
            Gaddafi had eggs, but these only

            Ask him
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 12 December 2020 22: 54
              +3
              Then they would not have understood these creatures at all, after the attack on the peacekeepers' base. and yes, why stopped? Then what would they pour over us with slops? If we had gone further, there would have been less slander. They wouldn't exist at all. And so in everything. Zeroed out in their repertoire. "A man in a case", no matter what happens. Disgusting!
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 13 December 2020 08: 17
                +1
                Quote: lis-ik
                Then they wouldn't have understood these creatures at all, after the attack on the peacekeeping base
                Are you a creature?
                Quote: lis-ik
                and yes, why did they stop
                Do you want to feed Georgia?
                Quote: lis-ik
                If we had gone further, there would have been less slander. They wouldn't exist at all.
                Really?
            2. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 14 December 2020 10: 24
              -1
              Have you noticed the difference between Georgia and the United States? Do you really think there could be such a photo with the US President?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 December 2020 19: 10
                -1
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                Do you really think there could be such a photo with the US President?

                In the case of the United States, everyone will die.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 12 December 2020 17: 13
        +2
        You can argue a lot, assume, predict ... BUT, any belief will exist until the moment X !!! And then reality comes and what it will be, the question of questions!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 December 2020 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          BUT, any belief will last until the moment X !!! And then reality comes and what it will be, the question of questions!

          The author is right! it is enough even to destroy the ports, and the circulation of the dollar will be disrupted. But the dollar actually has a weak point. - it is not a standard for anything, it is a standard in itself. Oil falls in price - although in fact it is dollar inflation, gold rises in price - the same thing !! While something becomes cheaper, they buy it, when it becomes more expensive, they sell it.
          I think, as soon as someone introduces a new standard, for example, the electric ruble, for the dollar it will be worse than an atomic war. The ruble tied to a kilowatt hour - this is the future of Russia, or perhaps France, only then it will be an energy franc.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 December 2020 22: 13
            0
            Undermining the financial stability of the state, for some states, means big problems, up to ...
      3. ZAV69
        ZAV69 13 December 2020 01: 09
        -1
        Those who can shy away have nothing there. If there was anything, they would have found it long ago and put it on display. And whoever has there, but a lot of things, they can only raise a fuss, stir up the economic crisis or something else, but they have no access to real military force.
  4. apro
    apro 12 December 2020 15: 08
    -2
    The main question is who will press the button ...
    CGA practically solved their issues of global security. Everyone is busy with business. They are fighting with neighbors. And they do not represent a real threat to amers. Russia ???
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 December 2020 15: 15
    +4
    What are the main nodes of this global network? These are ports, railway junctions, communication and data storage centers.

    Yes, now it's easier, turn off the Internet, mobile communications completely, and the modern young generation will come "kyrdik". Well, they will not be able to live without a smartphone. And if you finish it to the end, then you need to turn off all electronic payments and banks. This will already be a collapse.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 15: 24
      +17
      And if you finish it to the end, then you need to turn off all electronic payments and banks.

      You have no idea what howl rises when the electricity in the institution is turned off ... people are walking on their ears and tormenting the electricians ... give the light, where is the light.
      So the first blow must be inflicted if you want to annoy the power generation and power supply systems ... then everyone will immediately become amazing peacemakers with candles burning in the basements.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 December 2020 15: 26
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        So the first blow must be dealt if you want to annoy the power generation and power supply systems.

        I also salt, all the time I poke a nail into the socket.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 12 December 2020 16: 18
      +1
      It is enough for the Chinese comrades to land a landing on Taiwan .. At least half of all the chips on the planet are riveted there .. And in a year, there will be no smartphones with an Internet ..
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 12 December 2020 18: 33
      +1
      timonmarine-Well, turn off the modern city dweller at least the gas at least the water, he will also be bent, and if everything goes on at once, then only the cemetery will get there, and then with losses. The villagers are more stress-resistant in this regard, but they are already actively fighting with them.
    4. Disant
      Disant 12 December 2020 21: 44
      +1
      And if you finish it to the end, then you need to turn off all electronic payments and banks.

      The financial messaging system (FMS) was created five years ago.
      Paper money will be thrown up quickly.
  6. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 12 December 2020 15: 15
    +1
    And what, so it is possible? Google and Amazon to dust and victory came? laughing
    Is it Friday today?

    PS The author's knowledge on the Internet is going through the roof - BoNboy hit a hundred servers and it was a kirdyk. Damn logic ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 December 2020 15: 17
      +8
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Is it Friday today?

      First of April and hungover.
    2. lucul
      lucul 12 December 2020 15: 23
      +5
      And what, so it is possible? Google and Amazon to dust and victory came? laughing
      Is it Friday today?

      PS The author's knowledge on the Internet at the level of the fourth grade, the second term.

      And you ? )))
      Simulate the situation in the economy, with the destruction of 95% of power plants)))
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 12 December 2020 15: 28
        -2
        And you ? )))
        Simulate the situation in the economy, with the destruction of 95% of power plants)))


        Dear ... The Internet is not a power station. Root DNS servers are scattered all over the world and a copy of routing tables can be restored in half an hour. Cut off one segment for a day and tomorrow it will work again. And most importantly, this will not affect the Internet connection in other countries. During a war, bombing servers is utter nonsense when there are so many military targets. Actually, you need to have a snack ...
        1. lucul
          lucul 12 December 2020 15: 35
          +6
          The Internet is not a power station.

          You do not see the essence - destroy the power stations and immediately slide into feudalism, you don't need to bomb anything else.
          Root DNS servers are scattered all over the world and a copy of routing tables can be restored in half an hour.

          I beg you, all the root servers are located exclusively in America, all other servers are powered on them, without the American server the Internet will stop. Only China has its own Internet))))
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 12 December 2020 15: 48
            +1
            without an American server, the Internet will rise


            No, nothing will rise. Ask a specialist. And the American servers themselves will work in the first week, after the blows.
            1. lucul
              lucul 12 December 2020 16: 07
              -2
              No, nothing will rise. Ask a specialist.

              So ask.
            2. Svetlana
              Svetlana 12 December 2020 16: 37
              +5
              it is you at home, today, restore your burned out computer in a week or less. Pull photos and software out of the cloud. But the destruction of data centers will lead not only to the destruction of iron, but also to the destruction of all information located there. For example, the same Google maps can go to the forest. Or all the correspondence of the government and not only. Therefore, the author's reasoning is not at all devoid of meaning.
              ...
              Communication is what decides any war.
              1. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 12 December 2020 17: 46
                +1
                For example, the same Google maps can go to the forest. Or all the correspondence of the government and not only.


                These two facts are incredibly important during an atomic war. It's not easy without Google maps ... laughing
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 12 December 2020 18: 04
              +2
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              And the American servers themselves will work in the first week, after the blows.

              If not in two days.
        2. Dumatel
          12 December 2020 15: 50
          +5
          Root servers are logical elements and are restored, as you noticed, by an effort of will :)
          Now figure out how much effort it takes to lay the cable across the ocean. These are already quite physical assets. Think if there are points where these cables converge?
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 12 December 2020 15: 56
            -2
            Now figure out how much effort it takes to lay the cable across the ocean.


            With modern technology development, it can take a month. Are you going to cut the cable during an atomic war? You will be accused of assisting the State Department and shot for aiding the enemy. I would do that. laughing

            Better bomb Newport Nuze and Cheyenne than cables and servers.
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 12 December 2020 19: 44
              0
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              Are you going to cut the cable during an atomic war?

              Just give to our hucksters! Look, in Vladivostok, the wires were removed, no one noticed. Or maybe it was a doctrine before the apocalypse?
          2. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 12 December 2020 20: 09
            0
            Quote: Dumatel
            Now figure out how much effort it takes to lay the cable across the ocean.

            In addition to cables, there are satellite channels. Moreover, they are already talking not only about radio channels, but also about laser ones. In the event of the destruction of the cable assemblies, the speed will of course drop. But do not forget that disabling the Pornhub alone will reduce traffic by a third. And if suddenly you turn off YouTube for housewives too .. Enough for all combat missions with a huge margin! wassat
        3. Horon
          Horon 12 December 2020 17: 32
          +10
          It will be difficult to surf in a non-existent internet, with a dead computer, by candlelight and breathing in the air filled with the scent of radioactivity.
          Power system disaster in the USA and Canada (2003)

          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90_%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5_(2003)
          And this is only a failure of a part of the energy system, in conditions of peace, what will happen if not only energy systems, but storage facilities and warehouses are destroyed in a war? Your faith in humanity touches, even more touches the lack of experience of living in extreme conditions. lol
        4. ZAV69
          ZAV69 13 December 2020 01: 16
          +2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Dear ... The Internet is not a power station. Root DNS servers are scattered all over the world and a copy of routing tables can be restored in half an hour. Cut off one segment for a day and tomorrow it will work again. And most importantly, this will not affect the Internet connection in other countries. During a war, bombing servers is utter nonsense when there are so many military targets. Actually, you need to have a snack ...

          Throw a nuclear charge at the point of exit of the transatlantic cable from the sea to the land and the network will simply fall apart. Now the data is smeared with a thin layer on a heap of data centers around the world, the network has been torn apart, the rest will become cancer.
    3. Dumatel
      12 December 2020 15: 34
      0
      both amazon and google have over a million physical servers
      the same concentration as elsewhere
      data center is a giant industrial facility

      this is the first and last idiotic comment I reply to
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 12 December 2020 15: 43
        -3
        this is the first and last idiotic comment I reply to


        And you know what ... like any unworthy person, and you think that your meager knowledge is the height of truth.

        data center is a giant industrial facility


        1. Data centers are millions. You don't have enough bombs to bomb them. In addition, this is civilian traffic, which is not important during a war. 80 +% of traffic is videos from YouTube.
        2. I will make a data center for you in the clearing and it will work on a piece of optical cable and on a generator. And until the war is over, it will work.
        3. Stop the civilian network and the military network will work. And at the same time it will dust your cities and the military commissar and you will lower Jeff Bezos' shares by 15 minutes.

        Are you sober today?
        1. Dumatel
          12 December 2020 15: 58
          -4
          ... And last
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 12 December 2020 20: 13
            -2
            Your article initially left a good impression. There is something to think about and argue about. But your stupid comments reduced the impression to zero at once.
        2. lucul
          lucul 12 December 2020 16: 06
          +1
          Data centers are millions. You don't have enough bombs to bomb them. In addition, this is civilian traffic, which is not important during a war. 80 +% of traffic is videos from YouTube.

          Recently, the Americans threatened to disconnect Russia from the Internet, but according to you, this is impossible.
          Maybe Americans know a little more? ))))
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 12 December 2020 18: 30
            0
            Recently, the Americans threatened to disconnect Russia from the Internet, but according to you, this is impossible.
            Maybe Americans know a little more? ))))


            It was not the Americans who threatened, but ours came up with. Sovereign Internet Cheburnet exercises were conducted. But the hidden meaning was completely different. ours want complete control over the network inside the country. And yes, it is impossible to break the Internet in a single country. There is not a single example. Up to this point, the countries themselves have limited the exchange of information from within. Iran, Kazakhstan, Belarus.
            1. lucul
              lucul 12 December 2020 18: 32
              -1
              ours want complete control over the network.

              Yours have long been, well, ours, only planning
              1. Tsoy
                Tsoy 12 December 2020 22: 34
                -2
                Yours have long been, well, ours, only planning


                Who are yours?
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 12 December 2020 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Dumatel
        this is the first and last idiotic comment I reply to

        right. Enough articles lol
    4. dzvero
      dzvero 12 December 2020 17: 01
      +2
      The author is right about something. The Internet will survive, but only the army and those close to them will have access to them. For mere mortals, it's like a network came kirdyk smile
  7. DAQ
    DAQ 12 December 2020 15: 19
    -4
    The author is probably chewing bored, since such topics are "sandy"

    I recommend the film about nuclear confrontation:
    US Secretary of Defense McNamara will objectively explain everything to you.
  8. 210ox
    210ox 12 December 2020 15: 27
    0
    Somewhere there is a lot of compromising evidence on our hands ??! Isn't it better to scribble and publish it than to destroy it?
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 December 2020 15: 31
      +4
      Somewhere there is a lot of compromising evidence on our hands ??! Isn't it better to scribble and publish it than to destroy it?

      What kind of compromising evidence? What prevented Putin back in 2000 from grabbing a dozen billion dollars and dumping them to Canada, like Yatsenyuk? Well, what?
      1. Serg4545
        Serg4545 12 December 2020 15: 59
        +10
        Quote: lucul
        What kind of compromising evidence? What prevented Putin back in 2000 from grabbing a dozen billion dollars and dumping them to Canada, like Yatsenyuk? Well, what?

        You will not be answered.
        There are people who believe that Putin is a thief.
        And no facts and logic, nothing can do with FAITH.
        Do not waste time.
        1. Borisych1973
          Borisych1973 12 December 2020 19: 10
          -7
          Of course they will not answer, there are no suicides among the informed.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 12 December 2020 16: 40
        0
        What? Yes, he only started working in 2000 ... wink
      3. Dude
        Dude 12 December 2020 17: 38
        0
        What prevented Putin back in 2000 from grabbing a dozen billion dollars and dumping them to Canada, like Yatsenyuk? Well, what?
        "Tahiti, Tahiti! We are well fed here too ..." ©
        laughing
  9. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 December 2020 15: 29
    +7
    I do not think the thesis about the non-priority of the destruction of the civilian population in nuclear weapons is correct.
    In a somewhat protracted conflict and even approximately comparable industrial resources, the winner was the country that had the best demography. In the case of more or less adequate large-scale destruction of the period of the outbreak of a nuclear war, problems with fuel and lubricants, components and electricity, which will inevitably arise after By this, the restoration of the defense functions of the state will inevitably (and in the foreseeable future definitely) be tied to the organization of the masses. At least for clearing-building-maintenance, as a maximum for sending to the fronts - labor or military. A highly qualified workforce, efficient and relevant in a peaceful period - will incur unpredictable quantitative, infrastructural and organizational losses - it will not be possible to resolve the array of emerging emergency tasks within a reasonable time frame by these people.
    Accordingly, areas with a high concentration of population, near industrially significant centers-sources of raw materials, transport hubs, etc., will be of high value in terms of damage recovery. In the case of a low concentration of the population, the organization after an emergency is an order of magnitude more problem - both from the point of view of providing effective assistance to citizens, ensuring law and order with a minimum of effort and costs, and from the point of view of organizing work and banal accounting. Accounting for large areas - requires more functionaries and more resources. In peacetime, all this is not a problem, because there is a car, telephone and mobile communications, debugged state. mechanisms, digital technologies and the working system of state bodies. In wartime, "sprawling" areas will divert more resources than they will be of practical use.
    Consequently, the restoration of the state will directly depend on the safety of the compactly populated areas in the places needed from the point of view of restoration (around some of the nodes mentioned by the author) - thus, the elimination of these compact housing estates also becomes an urgent task from the point of view of the country's withdrawal from hostilities ...

    It is also worth considering the attitude of the West to the interpretation of the truth - there any atrocity is turned out over time in such a way that it looks like a necessity - if victory is on their side, then history will also. So the above most likely applies to the defense of our country.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 12 December 2020 16: 54
      +7
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      the restoration of the state will directly depend on the safety of the compactly populated areas in the places necessary from the point of view of restoration

      High-rise buildings in case of disconnection of communications - electricity, water supply / sewerage, gas, communications ... will turn into a trap for their residents and a source of additional problems. And the presence of a not very law-abiding population will turn them into a wild jungle.
      But the "stretched" areas with a civilian population and autonomous communications, on the contrary, will be islands of civilization and support for the beginning of recovery.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 December 2020 19: 26
        +3
        I'm afraid it will be more difficult here.
        One-story America is also dependent on well-functioning sewerage / plumbing / electricity. Provision of food and patrolling areas extended in space will be a problem in the face of a shortage of people to protect law and order (which will undoubtedly follow an emergency), the abundance of weapons in private use will be a bad combination with poor controllability.
        If in densely populated areas it is possible to establish security and centralized supply relying on the remnants of infrastructure and temporarily vacated areas (including underground, ventilated and somehow protecting food and people from radiation), then in an extended residential area the problem of insufficient controllability of a significant space will inevitably arise , non-priority and lack of adequate pre-war redundancy of systems (relative to massive urban development), lack of available "on-site" personnel to adjust all this.
        As a result, I believe that some time after the state of emergency, focal riots, robbery, including organized, in one form or another, will inevitably begin in such areas. Burning fuel for patrolling will be irrational, organizing a massive movement of labor in conditions of reduced law and order will be a problem. If in relatively large cities the authorities are able to quickly establish checkpoints and shifts, then it will be much more difficult, which will inevitably lead to panic, violence and a drop in controllability.
        It is banal to the relatively large residential areas, the massifs are closer to large food warehouses and the local supply is established with something, much better than the extended areas are supplied. After the emergency, many shops will "endure" immediately, and after that the residents of the extended array will have to rob each other if they have not stocked up with something. In large cities, they will immediately establish adequate protection of warehouses, which will improve the organization of activities in the future.
        Of course, all this is a theoretician, simply by analyzing the experience of New Orleans, you can more or less imagine how it will be in the event of an emergency.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 13 December 2020 05: 48
          +3
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          One-story America is also dependent on well-functioning sewerage / plumbing / electricity.

          To a much lesser extent.
          Most houses have electric generators, autonomous heaters, fuel supplies, and some even have service water wells. High-rise buildings, however, become completely unsuitable for life, it is stupid to even go up to the floor without an elevator - this is a separate problem. And taking into account the smell of rotten corpses from these stuck elevators or at least food from rotten refrigerators .... ask the Donetsk and Luhansk people how it happens.
          Patrolling narrow streets littered with debris and barricades in plundered cities? With the risk that a grenade will fly from every window and from every roof ?! Oh well.
          And in "one-story" districts with a prosperous population, people themselves organize self-defense squads, they will not need to travel far, they are at home.
  10. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 December 2020 15: 38
    +3
    There is also a giant data center NSA Bumblehive, which contains a lot of compromising evidence on all our politicians. I think this goal will be a priority in any development of the conflict.

    good it's five
  11. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 12 December 2020 15: 39
    +2
    In addition, the number of warheads must be increased. 1300 is about nothing at all.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 15: 54
      +1
      1300 is about nothing at all.
      And how much is needed for complete happiness? hi
      1. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev 12 December 2020 23: 33
        +1
        back 10000
  12. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 December 2020 15: 42
    +6
    At the same time, when it comes to strikes against megacities, no one takes into account such a simple fact as panic. A. Timokhin wrote:
    If you do not take into account possible radioactive fallout (they are not shown in the diagram), then it is clear that on the one hand, San Francisco has been destroyed. Most of its population (not all!) Died or became crippled. That is, the mobilization potential of this region has been greatly undermined. But, for example, the nearby San Jose was hardly damaged. In the northwestern part of the city, people received burns, in the rest - eye injuries of varying severity, mostly minor. And a little northeast, in Sacramento, there are no consequences at all. If the wind blows the precipitation towards the sea, then no one will even have to be evacuated from nearby cities.

    Really? Seeing a nuclear mushroom next to them, will the population sit at home?
    Yes, everyone will rush in all directions with such enthusiasm that at the same time people may die almost more than from the explosion itself.
    1. Serg4545
      Serg4545 12 December 2020 16: 04
      +6
      Quote: Dart2027
      Really? Seeing a nuclear mushroom next to them, will the population sit at home?
      Yes, everyone will rush in all directions with such enthusiasm that at the same time people may die almost more than from the explosion itself.

      All true.
      All rush to Canada and Mexico. Who in their right mind will sit in cities on which Russian nuclear warheads periodically fall.
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 December 2020 15: 50
    +3
    The concept of being in strategic missile silos is definitely nonsense.
    1. Horon
      Horon 12 December 2020 17: 43
      +3
      True, by the time the warheads reach the mines, the mines will already be empty.
  14. nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 December 2020 16: 07
    +1
    The main mistake of the "military specialists" lies in the fact that if you destroy all communications on the enemy's territory, he will raise his paws. The enemy was knowingly equipping his bases almost all over the earth. There are wars designed for occupation, and others for destruction. If some one does not destroy energy resources, other types of communication, then it has plans for occupation. Only a madman can unleash a nuclear war. Trump understood this, and did not go against the DPRK.
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 12 December 2020 16: 34
      +9
      Foreign bases can normally exist and carry out their functions only being part of a huge network, relying on the support, first of all, of the metropolis. Far from everywhere where American bases are located, the local population burns with great love for them. And there is always something to profit from. In the event of a large-scale attack on the United States, their foreign bases will exist in the regime of a besieged fortress in very many places
    2. Alt 22
      Alt 22 12 December 2020 19: 58
      +4
      The military base does not produce anything, it serves only to be able to project force, a kind of land aircraft carrier, and, by the way, a devourer of considerable resources.
  15. mark1
    mark1 12 December 2020 16: 12
    +5
    Everything is very simple - we do not have enough nuclear warheads, an absolutely unprofitable START treaty was concluded, as a result of which the possibility of guaranteed destruction of the United States was lost, and the truncated one was left - causing unacceptable damage (and the magnitude of "unacceptability" is a variable and unstable thing, everything depends from the current situation). We still have an advantage - unlike the United States, we can still establish the production of nuclear warheads. So it is necessary to return to those 6000-10000 nuclear weapons that were in the source. Then we will not be able to "glaze" the United States especially "cut". God grant that this does not happen, but this is a real deterrent and not a fantasy about three fish and five loaves.
    1. bar
      bar 12 December 2020 18: 18
      0
      These warheads still need to be delivered request
      1. mark1
        mark1 12 December 2020 18: 57
        +1
        In our country, the planned deployment of new carriers is underway, an increase in the number, an increase in BG on one carrier (up to 2 times), including due to a certain amount of heavy false ones, the CD should not be forgotten - to increase the total production and increase the share of the total nuclear carriers
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 13 December 2020 00: 10
          0
          I'm surprised by the limitation of the number of nuclear warheads on one missile. With modern small dimensions of such warheads, they can be installed on one carrier up to 24-30 or more. Accordingly, the affected area and the number of affected objects will increase. When talking about 6 or 10 warheads on Sinev or Voevoda, the question arises, why not 12 or 20?
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 12 December 2020 18: 45
      0
      It is necessary to deliver the warheads, plus it is expensive and troublesome to maintain, guard and maintain. At the moment, we are looking for the optimal amount that we can pull, but here it depends on the economy, the upbringing of people and the idea for what and where, much depends. To rivet an overdofig and Tukhachevsky wanted, they explained to him that this was nonsense.
      1. mark1
        mark1 12 December 2020 19: 07
        +2
        It was nonsense to destroy what they had and nonsense are proposals to replace nuclear weapons with conventional weapons (that's when the money really won't be enough, neither money nor people)
        And Tukhachevsky, in terms of quantity, was not much mistaken, the Second World War showed
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 12 December 2020 19: 55
          0
          Aha-dofig cardboard to make, put Kurchevsky's cannons on bicycles and everything in this spirit and at 2-3 factories at that time-Bravo! Genius!
  16. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 December 2020 16: 27
    +6
    Hit the mines - why?
    Do Americans deny retaliatory strike?
    Until our Yars fly, the mines will be empty.
    Hit Manhattan - why?
    Sow panic?
    Maybe.
    But simply by turning off the electricity, it is even easier to arrange a panic.
    Plus, communications, transport, water, gas, elevators in skyscrapers, refrigerators in homes, shops, and wholesale warehouses will turn off. In a couple of days, everything that they do not have time to plunder, and what they do, too, will rot.
    It is optimistic to fix the Internet in half an hour after the bombing.
    It reminds of American films, where the telephone, running water and high-speed elevators continue to work in a falling skyscraper.
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 12 December 2020 16: 35
    +7
    To some extent, I agree with the conclusions. For our elite, JV is also unacceptable. Destruction of half of the population, our elite will somehow survive. The destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth is not. Therefore, our deputies greeted the American deputies with joy.
  18. zwlad
    zwlad 12 December 2020 16: 59
    +1
    I fully support the author.
  19. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 December 2020 17: 02
    +2
    Nuclear war, and why?
    Who needs it with us?
    For those who dream of "Europe to Vladivostok"?
    Hardly.
    Rather, they need to be accepted into the "white people" club, and preferably not as a servant.
    To those who consider us "Upper Volta with missiles"?
    Hardly.
    Rather, they simply do not like the fact that our "whites" climb with their "pig's snouts into their kalash row." They just want to put the presumptuous subhumans back in the stall. But they don't need the whole world in dust. They want to live in this world, and live with all the benefits, and not in a bunker.
    It is easier for them to turn off our swift, the Internet, and confiscate companies in offshores, which own most of our enterprises.
  20. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 December 2020 17: 03
    +1
    to call this scribbling a response to Timokhin's article is of course the height of insolence and arrogance
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 12 December 2020 17: 27
      +1
      to call this scribbling a response to Timokhin's article is of course the height of insolence and arrogance


      100%. Timokhin's article was a thoughtful and interesting analysis. And then Amazon did not deliver the package to the author and the circus tent came on tour ...
    2. Dumatel
      12 December 2020 17: 27
      +4
      Quote: Tlauicol
      to call this scribbling a response to Timokhin's article is of course the height of insolence and arrogance

      The modern economy is characterized by a high degree of concentration, which creates easily vulnerable points - super-large enterprises, logistics and communication centers. Therefore, Timokhin's approach based on the assessment of net losses of the population is untenable.
  21. bandabas
    bandabas 12 December 2020 17: 27
    +2
    Apparently, the authors of these "opuses" have not played enough computer toys yet.
  22. Dumatel
    12 December 2020 17: 41
    0
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    to call this scribbling a response to Timokhin's article is of course the height of insolence and arrogance


    100%. Timokhin's article was a thoughtful and interesting analysis. And then Amazon did not deliver the package to the author and the circus tent came on tour ...

    Judging by what you write, you are a sysadmin from a small town.
    I guess?
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 12 December 2020 17: 57
      +2
      Judging by what you write, you are a sysadmin from a small town.
      I guess?


      Partially. 10 years of my life has been connected with computers. I was a hardware engineer, sysadmin, and vendor for IBM industrial servers. City of Sofia, 2 million by eye. Now the work is completely different, but I did not have time to drink the understanding of the Internet and networks to the end. laughing
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 12 December 2020 23: 45
        0
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Partially. 10 years of my life has been associated with computers. I was a hardware engineer, sysadmin, and dealer for IBM industrial servers.

        Then the question is for you as a system administrator. The processing center is hit by an EMP warhead. What happened to the equipment and information needs to be explained? How are you going to restore its work and how long will it take? And electricity is also not easy. What is a rolling shutdown heard. And bad luck, a lot of equipment also breaks down at substations. I think not only I will be interested in the point of view of a specialist who has worked in the information field for 10 years.
  23. evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 December 2020 17: 42
    +3
    What kind of protection of the population in the Russian Federation are we talking about? - 70% of the population in ten cities is compactly stored. Counter-counter or strike with one apl and greetings amigos.
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 12 December 2020 21: 23
      0
      They will survive on the periphery. Middle class. For 17 tyrov. According to the guarantor.
  24. cniza
    cniza 12 December 2020 17: 45
    +3
    The key to peace is the unacceptability of war for the enemy's elite.


    God grant that this would be preserved ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 December 2020 10: 57
      0
      Hope, but don't be wrong. You slander - and that's it.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 December 2020 12: 13
        +3
        It's like in any business. yes
  25. Dumatel
    12 December 2020 17: 47
    -1
    Quote: evgen1221
    What kind of protection of the population in the Russian Federation are we talking about? - 70% of the population in ten cities is compactly stored. Counter-counter or strike with one apl and greetings amigos.

    Remote, metropolitan area, high-speed rail. In any case, very reasonable things.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 12 December 2020 18: 51
      +1
      Here the Politburo, the White House understood this and spread out spreading the population evenly across the country, because this multiplies the goals and strains the economy by stamping thousands of warheads. And it protects the population better than any bunkers. But the current leadership of the pakhanat does not know how to think in these categories.
      1. Kart
        Kart 14 December 2020 09: 54
        +2
        Neither the Politburo nor the White House had anything to do with it.
        Civilization has changed. The benefits of large cities have become even more accessible to an even larger number of people.
        This process is not fast as usual, but quite obvious - people left the unsettled village for big cities, earned money there, raised children, and now their children, with experience, education and money, return back to the village at a completely different level of comfort and understanding.
        This does not happen quickly, I repeat, and not even with the majority, but it still happens.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 14 December 2020 13: 10
          0
          Well, a lot also depends on demography, and demography directly on the work of the authorities in the country. They slaughtered the population, the people died out and began to give birth less, unemployment and the swelling of the city (as a source of work) began. In the 80s, people in the villages were very good and not worse than in the city.
  26. Yura
    Yura 12 December 2020 17: 49
    +1
    The author, I agree with you and agree with your conclusions, on the whole everything is correct, the scale of mutual nuclear strikes of opponents is clear, the consequences are clear, the conclusions are clear
    The key to peace is the unacceptability of war for the enemy's elite.
    They can somehow survive the destruction of half the population.
    The destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth is not.
    And for a long time this alone has served as a guarantee that the war with Russia is still unacceptable for the United States.
  27. Old26
    Old26 12 December 2020 17: 54
    +4
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Well, Truman then got hi and pressed it twice giving the order to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Do not forget that the United States was at war with Japan in those years. Therefore, it was quite natural to apply, at the same time and test it on real purposes. I think that if anyone had such a weapon during the WWII, the country would use it against the enemy, if only to reduce its losses.

    Quote: paul3390
    Iran now, after a number of well-known events, will also have to resolve this issue.

    The issue can be resolved simply. America is known to be wildly dependent on imports. And imports come from transportation, mainly by sea container. Which, the stump is clear, practically no one checks, because you are worried .. So - you just need to tell the Americans the topic that bad uncles sent a dozen nuclear devices to different ports of America in containers .. And that's it, a kirdyk will come on this transportation. With all the consequences .. For they will not be able not to check ALL containers, and believe ALL of them is not realistic, even in theory ..

    You would have thrown this topic to the Americans before 1988, that is, almost 32 years ago - that would have been the topic. And to the place. Then, with such volumes as now, there would really be a kirdyk for container transportation.
    But after 1988, everything changed dramatically. The Americans and I then staged exercises and remotely, from a helicopter, determined in which of the cruiser's launchers was the YaBZ simulator. Found, by the way, unmistakably. So you, dear, were three decades late with your proposal. Now they won't bother with it

    Quote: lucul
    Simulate the situation in the economy, with the destruction of 95% of power plants)))

    Whom? Are we Americans or in the world? So this will not happen from the word NEVER. There simply won't be enough charges for this.

    Quote: Svetlana
    For example, the same Google maps can go to the forest. Or all the correspondence of the government and not only.

    And the government only hopes only on the Internet? Or feldsvyaz has already been canceled by an order from above ??? And how could poor governments without the Internet corresponded before. Sadness ...
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 December 2020 18: 37
      0
      Do not forget that the United States was at war with Japan in those years. Therefore, it was quite natural to apply, at the same time and test it on real purposes.

      Even Hitler did not dare to use chemical weapons when he realized that the war was lost, and the Americans used nuclear weapons when they already knew that they would win.
      Whom? Are we Americans or in the world? So this will not happen from the word NEVER. There simply won't be enough charges for this.

      All generation is kept at large stations, and everyone knows them - a bunch of small stations only serve to balance the load)))
    2. Disant
      Disant 12 December 2020 23: 10
      +3
      Whom? Are we Americans or in the world? So this will not happen from the word NEVER. There simply won't be enough charges for this.

      We
      10 nuclear power plants
      250 large CHP and GRES (a couple of dozen)
      They can afford to knock out almost everything, and not necessarily with nuclear weapons and not necessarily with the first strike
      USA -
      NPP - about 60
      about 250 significant thermal power plants
      We can also allow to knock everything out
  28. Alexey Lantukh
    Alexey Lantukh 12 December 2020 17: 58
    +3
    Once I had to visit the Chernobyl zone during the liquidation of the consequences of the accident. I will tell you that it is still a problem area that scared the whole of Europe. And if, in the event of a war, a blow is dealt to nuclear power plants in the United States or Russia, it will not seem to anyone. And if, at the same time, other power plants are also destroyed, then the next is the Stone Age.
    1. Alexander X
      Alexander X 13 December 2020 09: 40
      0
      Reading the comments, everyone was waiting for someone to remember about the irreparable damage caused by the destruction of the nuclear power plant! Nuclear contamination from nuclear power plants of the territory will negate all the advantages on the fronts. There won't be many years of comfortable life outside the bunkers. And it is not clear what and how will be restored in the future. The majority of the population will die out and there will be no one to govern.
      By the way, if data centers, internet cables, etc. are destroyed, the rural population of the Russian Federation will survive under the condition of uncontaminated soil and air. Example: a neighbor in a settlement lives on 3t.r./month. He practically does not buy anything, well, cigarettes, bread ... Food from the garden, clothes, what he will find ... He does not need an Internet, he does not need plastic and swift ... He will survive ...
      1. Kart
        Kart 14 December 2020 09: 48
        0
        How many neighbors are there out of 140 million of the population?
        How many of these neighbors are there in the United States, how many are there, 300 million?
        In what time frame will they be able to quickly launch the country again with a hoe and a shovel?
        1. Alexander X
          Alexander X 14 December 2020 10: 33
          +1
          So they will not revive the country in the present sense, but they will not die out like city dwellers. The villagers have a reserve of vitality and survival by orders of magnitude superior to urban residents ...
  29. Dumatel
    12 December 2020 18: 06
    0
    Quote: Keyser Soze

    Partially. 10 years of my life has been connected with computers. I was a hardware engineer, sysadmin, and vendor for IBM industrial servers. City of Sofia, 2 million by eye. Now the work is completely different, but I did not have time to drink the understanding of the Internet and networks to the end. laughing

    Clear :)
    Big Tech is a completely different world.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 12 December 2020 18: 14
      +1
      Clear :)


      Something went wrong with our conversation. Let's first - I'm sorry I flared up and tried to offend you. But I do not agree with your thesis laughing drinks
  30. Dumatel
    12 December 2020 18: 09
    -2
    Quote: Old26
    And the government only hopes only on the Internet? Or feldsvyaz has already been canceled by an order from above ??? And how could poor governments without the Internet corresponded before. Sadness ...

    Here, other effects will work. If you have 10.000 containers, but the database is lost and you don't know where whose, for example. The regression of the means of communication and data processing leads to the same regression of the economy and society.
  31. SVD68
    SVD68 12 December 2020 18: 37
    +5
    Author, you did not understand the meaning of Timokhin's article. It's not about how to prevent a war against us. It is about the fact that it is impossible to force the United States to end a war that has already begun by inflicting a massive nuclear strike - they will still have the strength to finish us off.
    Therefore, we need forces capable of fighting back from the United States, and from Europe, and from China.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 December 2020 18: 58
      +3
      Quote: SVD68
      It is impossible to force the United States to end the war that has already begun by inflicting a massive nuclear strike - it will still have the strength to finish us off.

      If a nuclear war breaks out, no one can stop it. The question is about causing unacceptable damage to the opposing side.
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 12 December 2020 21: 33
        0
        No, the issue of inflicting unacceptable damage is BEFORE a massive nuclear strike. After this damage has been done, the question is how to end the war.
  32. Dumatel
    12 December 2020 18: 49
    0
    Quote: SVD68
    Therefore, we need forces capable of fighting back from the United States, and from Europe, and from China.

    That's a reasonable point, thank you. My note is about the fact that such a blow can create problems for the enemy, making a war against Russia the most unreasonable investment of forces and means of all possible.
  33. Operator
    Operator 12 December 2020 18: 52
    -5
    The author's mistake is that he confuses local and global nuclear conflicts.

    The beginning of TMV will be preceded by local nuclear conflicts in Europe, the Middle East, Japan and South Korea without affecting the national territories of the United States and the Russian Federation. These conflicts will only use medium-range missiles and tactical nuclear weapons. During this period, the entire territory of Europe will be "vitrified" with the exception of the nuclear states - Russia, France and Britain.

    But the most important thing is that the population of Russia and the United States during a local conflict will be dispersed in the countryside (the population of Britain and France has nowhere to disperse). Therefore, in the transition to a global nuclear conflict, strategic nuclear weapons will strike empty cities with a population of one million, military bases, production facilities and civilian infrastructure (including ports) in order to destroy the military-economic potential.

    Because the population density of the United States is several times higher than the population density of the Russian Federation, then their population losses at this stage will be several times greater, as a result, the population of the two countries will become equal following the war - provided that no strikes are made on the nuclear reactors of nuclear power plants. In the event of such strikes, the size of the American population will be an order of magnitude smaller than the Russian population (in proportion to the difference in the number of reactors).

    This TMV scenario is valid until the Russian Armed Forces are armed with several hundred Poseidon ROVs with 100-Mtn three-stage special warheads, after which Russia will have the opportunity to destroy all living and non-living things in the coastal strip 700 km wide in Eurasia with a shock wave, light radiation and radioactive contamination , North and South America, Africa and Australia.

    After the Atlantic and Pacific coasts become the Chernobyl zone, the few surviving Americans and Canadians will have to learn to survive in the continental deserts of North America. The same applies to China, India and the vast majority of other countries in the world. Almost all of Europe will die out due to the lack of depth of its territory.

    In principle, the Russian Federation does not threaten such a danger, since the areas of our settlement are located far from the sea coast.
  34. Tank hard
    Tank hard 12 December 2020 18: 54
    +3
    The key to peace is the unacceptability of war for the enemy's elite.

    They can somehow survive the destruction of half the population.

    The destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth is not.

    Exactly. Trading heaven on earth, for a bomb shelter and the gray everyday life of the post-apocalyptic world, is an unacceptable exchange for the Western elites. The exclusion zone is not a fashionable resort with all possible and impossible "buns".
  35. Old26
    Old26 12 December 2020 18: 58
    +2
    Quote: lucul
    Do not forget that the United States was at war with Japan in those years. Therefore, it was quite natural to apply, at the same time and test it on real purposes.

    Even Hitler did not dare to use chemical weapons when he realized that the war was lost, and the Americans used nuclear weapons when they already knew that they would win.
    Whom? Are we Americans or in the world? So this will not happen from the word NEVER. There simply won't be enough charges for this.

    All generation is kept at large stations, and everyone knows them - a bunch of small stations only serve to balance the load)))

    Hitler did not dare to use chemical weapons on a massive scale due to the fact that other countries of the coalition would simply "flood" him with toxic substances.
    Yes, the Americans knew they would win. But their commander-in-chief decided not only to test this new weapon against real targets, but was probably guided not only by this. The first is to show the whole world your strength, the second - if you manage to reduce the losses of your own. From the point of view of the strategy of behavior of the head of state, who is trying for his state, there are no claims to him. Now we are talking about the barbarity of nuclear weapons. And then ... We think that if such a weapon were in the hands of the USSR, Germany, England or the United States, while others would not have it, the leaders of the countries would not use it against their opponents

    Globally, maybe. But when there are no large stations, the rate will be on small or medium ones. And in this regard, they have a big plus. They have stations - about 17 thousand EMNIPs of various capacities
    1. lucul
      lucul 12 December 2020 19: 06
      -5
      Hitler did not dare to use chemical weapons on a massive scale due to the fact that other countries of the coalition would simply "flood" him with toxic substances.

      Yes, he did not care at all - he already knew that he was not a tenant.
      So your statement
      that other countries of the coalition would simply "flood" it with toxic substances.

      Doesn't stand up to criticism.
  36. Simargl
    Simargl 12 December 2020 19: 20
    0
    The Launcher Strike is a scenario that has been thought out to the smallest detail over the past 70 years and requires significant efforts to achieve modest results.
    And what's the point of hitting them? Even when attacking, they will be empty, and when counterattacking, they will be empty initially.
    Energy, logistics and manufacturing centers - yes.
  37. awdrgy
    awdrgy 12 December 2020 19: 43
    0
    - "The key to peace is the unacceptability of war for the enemy's elite.
    They can somehow survive the destruction of half the population.
    Destruction of the very system that ensures their power and wealth - no. "I will add Is there any reason to assume, apart from the information in the media (owned by the" elite "), that the" elites "possessing nuclear weapons are disunited and oppose each other so that they will use it against each other ? But if by some miracle someone becomes its owner (suppose the people or part of it have eliminated the managerial "elite" on their territory), they will apply it unambiguously This will, of course, be preceded by attempts to take control of the process in various ways - purely technical moments. unsuccessful, then "mushrooms" will grow and not only After all, this territory and population fall out of the system that ensures their power and wealth and therefore are useless for them and even dangerous But since the probability of such events is approaching zero, no one will deliver nuclear strikes
  38. Alt 22
    Alt 22 12 December 2020 19: 55
    0
    Conclusion - to destroy America, it is enough to destroy their means of production and warehouses with extracted resources, finished products, and, of course, their "nut" - the Pentagon, which is just waiting for its "screw".
  39. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 December 2020 20: 06
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    so zhahnut.

    As in a joke: ... "in Voronezh. Ours are not there."
  40. Carib
    Carib 12 December 2020 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Saxahorse
    Quote: apro
    This is not a question of life and death, but a question of money. In this matter, flexibility is sometimes extraordinary ...

    Well, we will definitely die with you. And whoever has money has a villa in New Zealand. The main thing is to dump on time. laughing

    And the well-known "farms" in New Zealand are the control centers that Putin spoke about. They are as targets, first to outline together with New York Washington Tetroit and Los Angeles. Sorry, some of the letters on the keyboard are missing.
  41. nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 December 2020 21: 38
    0
    Knowing the strength of the enemy, all this does not falsely oppress our desire for victory. We have dashingly ordered everything here. And they forgot about the most valuable thing: about our people. To keep the world from war means to save our people. During the Second World War, mostly civilians were killed. The consequences of a nuclear war are much worse. And who will restore what will become destroyed. "I don't want to know the one who will burn this sky" -Nautilus. Probably they said correctly.
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 09: 03
      +3
      Familiar.
      "If we fight, they will destroy us. Let's surrender, suddenly not everyone will be killed."
  42. RealPilot
    RealPilot 12 December 2020 21: 53
    0
    The main question is who will press the button ...

    Lieutenant Ivanov will press the button!
    Realizing that ...
    And having crossed himself, he will fulfill the oath!
  43. 123456789
    123456789 12 December 2020 22: 38
    +1
    Quote: 16112014nk
    so zhahnut.

    by Yellowstone soldier and the whole world in dust laughing
  44. Revolver
    Revolver 13 December 2020 01: 16
    0
    A blow to ports? So all ports are also large cities, full of civilians. Boston, New York, Newark, Miami, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle - all millionaires, even more likely multimillionaires. So the return line will also fly to ports, and the first on the list is the Port of Five Seas, which is non-rubber. And since there are not enough seaports, they will add river ports - Gorky, Kuibyshev, Kazan, Astrakhan. And non-ports too - Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Tomsk and in general a complete list of regional centers. The regional centers, which have a military industry or bases, will also get it. So few people will be left to celebrate - no, not even a victory, but America's loss, because there will be no winners in such a war. Even China will not sit on the sidelines, because no one wants to give them power over the world for nothing, just because Russia and the West did not agree, and their population is concentrated in large cities even more than in Russia or America, and they will need to be covered even fewer warheads.
    And if the predictions about a nuclear winter are to be believed, the survivors will envy the dead.
  45. pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 13 December 2020 02: 30
    0
    To speculate on the topic: "But what if everyone goes crazy?" Decided to pair with Timokhin? Well, here, in order not to let you overdo it, there is a way to make the task easier. I propose to consider an option that will make your illusions-allusions useless. Take a mental break at the facilities of the atomic energy complex, and if this is not enough and you think that a response will not arrive, then in the Murmansk region, in the open air, hundreds of open-air nuclear reactors have been lying on berths since the last century.
  46. iouris
    iouris 13 December 2020 10: 55
    +1
    Quote: "The more important problem I see is the protection of the Russian infrastructure and population from a blow." End of quote.
    So the author pointed out where the egg is hidden, in which the needle is ... Okay, population. How many pieces of warheads are needed for the "infrastructure" to stop functioning. Not very much, I guess.
  47. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 December 2020 13: 08
    +1
    The article is absolutely correct, it is not without reason that it caused a flurry of characteristically illiterate but very emotional responses. Apparently, the cyber command is on the first hot button to respond to articles of this order)) It is touching to read pearls like "all the chips are made in China anyway."
    Of course, a strike on the shores of the United States would destroy this country without options, despite the fact that the "deep state" that still existed in it could not help but ensure that there were more than one or two "silicon factories" in the comprehensively protected bunkers. In general, it is impossible to destroy the very production of electronics with one or two blows, here the author is mistaken. But in all other respects ...
    Comrade Sakharov also knew where to hit in order to overwhelm the United States. Because we are still alive ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      In general, it is impossible to destroy the very production of electronics with one or two blows, here the author is mistaken. But in all other respects ...

      Without electricity, no production can work. For some reason, he did not mention this.
      No communication, no internet, no logistics - nothing.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 14 December 2020 09: 17
        0
        We have several models of autonomous nuclear reactors of low power, but at the same time monstrously tenacious and small in size. 15-30 years of continuous work on one load. There are no brains in the US now. But there used to be, so they have such reactors too. And you don't need a lot of cleverness for the de-mothballing procedure, the then American engineers were not mistaken about the considerations of their compatriots) Also, there is a whole industry that makes microturbines for home power plants. It is enough to have a small stream on the field ...
        1. Kart
          Kart 14 December 2020 09: 42
          +1
          For the operation of an entire country, with its logistics, communications, production facilities, no low-power reactors will solve the problem. Locally only.
          Stop communication - stop logistics. If the logistics stop, the production and supply of cities will stop. If the supply of cities stops, there will be social chaos.
          This is in addition to other problems that have arisen, such as partial destruction of road infrastructure, radioactive contamination, and others.
          Pay attention, if possible, what capacity is needed to operate, for example, a plant for the production of equipment. Or metal production.
          The Achilles' heel of modern civilization is the complexity of production chains and the dependence of the population on energy and communications.

          Yes, there will be local points of order - where there will be autonomous power supplies and fuel. And even then not for long, until the end of stocks. But the country will mostly plunge into chaos.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 14 December 2020 10: 26
            +1
            I do not argue that the Superpower will be done away with, but not with the country ... however, we are discussing a cartoon of the early seventies of that century, did you notice?) not before the war in the next 300-400 years. It is unlikely that there will be a nuclear winter (although it is possible), but the survival of mankind will still be in question in general, not to mention different countries.
            At the same time, it is vitally important to inflict a massive, global, merciless blow with all our might, because "why do we need the world if we are not in it"? In this case, the accuracy of the strikes is not too important.
            Another thing is that you can defeat the United States without destroying the planet. In the sense - to wash away their coasts by artificially caused tsunamis. The ocean will suffer terribly due to infection, but must cope (radiation has a very beneficial effect on protozoa, with the exception of overdoses). Moreover, the destruction of Russia without the destruction of the planet is impossible)
          2. Guazdilla
            Guazdilla 14 December 2020 14: 31
            0
            Without electricity, no production can work. For some reason, he did not mention this.
            No communication, no internet, no logistics - nothing.



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  48. TOR2
    TOR2 13 December 2020 14: 23
    +2
    In the discussions, a fuss flared up due to the fact that the author did not finish a few lines in his article. Probably everyone knows that behind a puddle they dream of unleashing a small victorious war against our country. For example around Kaliningrad. Especially for such wars, even low-yield nuclear charges are being developed. Our main task in this situation is to bring war to the enemy's territory. Here, what is stated in the article falls into place. The cost of two "Burevesnikov" is much lower than the cost of the turbine hall of the CHPP. I'm not talking about the domino effect that occurs when such an object is disabled. Several hits of low-yield nuclear warheads on the port territory and the object will be thrown out of the transport chain, overturning a heap of logical chains.
    In the discussions above, a lot has been said about the invulnerable Internet. The main voltage point of the global network is submarine cables. Finding a saboteur robot at depths where most of the cables pass is a rather problematic task. In addition, there is no crew on board, which means that this contraption may not be suitable for an ordinary submarine to dive and accelerate in case of danger.
  49. Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 13 December 2020 14: 26
    0
    The author thinks shallowly in comparison with Timokhin. Yes, we will inflict no small damage on them and will roll back the West 100 years ago, but they will also send us to the times of Rurik and China, getting rid of the main competitors there, but the only question is when it will be expedient for them to go this way! Therefore, we need to have so much nuclear weapons and conventional so that we can send them in the Middle Ages, then you can definitely be calm
  50. nikant
    nikant 13 December 2020 14: 33
    0
    all this ranting is sheer illusion!