Recording of talks: Lukashenka's voice says Aliyev offered Yerevan $ 5 billion to transfer seven districts

A recording of the conversation appeared on the network, which is positioned as a fragment of negotiations between the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko and (at that time) the head of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan. On the recording you can hear voices that are really very similar to the voices of Sargsyan and Lukashenka. The conversation was about seven regions that adjoined the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and acted as a kind of security buffer for NKR and Armenia.

These areas, on the basis of previously reached agreements in the format of the Minsk Group, Armenia was supposed to transfer to Azerbaijan and withdraw troops from there (long before the events of autumn 2020). But Armenia was in no hurry with this program. As a result (after the hostilities that ended on November 9, 2020), the areas came under Azerbaijani control.

On the recording, one can hear that in a voice “similar to the voice of Lukashenka,” it was announced that the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev offered $ 5 billion to Yerevan for the transfer of seven regions.

Lukashenka's voice suggests the interlocutor to take this money and give the regions to Azerbaijan. In turn, the “voice of Sargsyan” declares that it is ready, in turn, to give money to Aliyev so that he would give up seven districts.

From the conversation in the voice of Lukashenka:

Your position is weak. You do not want to give up the regions, because you are afraid that Azerbaijan will start a war. And I say that peacekeepers will guarantee peace there. We're not going to capture these areas ...

From the conversation in Sargsyan's voice:

I can't go for it. 5 thousand of our citizens died there.

Lukashenka's voice:

Well, in the Great Patriotic War, we lost 30 million, and what about now, to fight the Germans ...

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Let's not stoop to discuss rumors.

[Imobile]

What kind of corrupt Lukashenka... I used to think that he milks Russia for his people, but from the conversation you understand that his people are ready to sell for a green piece of paper

[Temples]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Let's not stoop to discuss rumors.

Are you suggesting to close this site?

What do you think we're all doing here?

Read the article and race to write your comment.

Previously, at the entrance they were playing a goat and playing chess and gossiping about various topics.
Now they glued the jo.py to the sofas and hit the keys on the keys.

So, you are more careful about rumors.

[Temples]

Quote: Imobile

What a corrupt Lukashenka. I used to think that he milks Russia for of his people,

He is not a king to talk about his people.
We are one people with the Belarusians. The Belarusian president speaks Russian.

And in this conversation, he offered peace in the Caucasus, the guarantor of which would be the Russians. As history has shown, this is a working model.
For centuries they lived in this way.

As a result, they ruined thousands of lives on both sides and came to the Russians for peace.

[Alex777]

He is not a king to talk about his people.

You know that, but I have doubts about Lukashenka.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Imobile

What a venal Lukashenka.

Where did you see Lukashenka's "venality"?
He acts as a mediator, discussing the current situation with Sargsyan!
It was the Armenians who were offered $ 5 mln as a compensation.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Imobile

What kind of corrupt Lukashenka... I used to think that he milks Russia for his people, but from the conversation you understand that his people are ready to sell for a green piece of paper

So too , peas !!! How did you see him?

[Igar]

What are the rumors. These are definitely their voices

[Tavi]

voices may be theirs .. but do not forget about the fact that there are already programs (technologies) for making voices.

[Alex777]

voices may be theirs .. but do not forget about the fact that there are already programs (technologies) for making voices.

There are programs, but it was Lukashenka himself who issued it, and Sargsyan confirmed it.
So what exactly are you worried about in vain.

[Imobile]

While it is easy to comb out that the votes are fake.

[Civil]

Aliyev spent the same $ 5 billion and defeated Armenia.

[bayard]

Quote: Civil

Aliyev spent the same $ 5 billion and defeated Armenia.

And Armenia lost only military equipment and equipment for the same 5 billion, not counting human casualties and ... the loss of those seven regions.
So it turns out that the Armenians did not want to get peace and earn 5 billion (at the first stage, according to Lukashenka), so they lost 5 + districts + people + SHAME.
This is Armenian karma.

[Alex777]

This is Armenian karma.

Here you have compared. Sargsyan would not have had such a failure. And there was not.
And Pashinyan is different. Why did you announce Lukashenka's story now?
It's not just that he remembered how they sat. Hinted at the price of the issue.

[bayard]

It is the price of the issue that is interesting. Aliyev spent as much as he intended to - the question was resolved, he gained fame.
And Pashinyan lost as much as was given (at the first (!) Stage), land, people, acquired shame for all Armenians.
Now Pashinyan is being demolished - actions of disobedience, ultimatums, etc. have begun, so this record is a portion of coals on the head of Soros's chick, an additional incentive for the Armenians.
Like, they could earn, save lives and not disgrace themselves, but with Pashinyan they lost everything.
But acquired a SHAME.
The move is delicate and timely - Lukashenka has not settled his scores with Soros yet.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Those. if the land were sold, there would be no shame? So Hitler could not fight but just buy up land))))

[bayard]

It's not about whether it would be right to "sell" or not.
These lands have never belonged to Armenia, they captured them by force of arms, and held them by force.
Azerbaijan, as it turned out, wishing to avoid war, but nevertheless to regain its own, offered compensation.
Armenia is a very, very poor state (I'm not talking about the diaspora), it could neither maintain nor develop Karabakh. And he was constantly defiant.
All the CIS countries (not only the CSTO) tried to persuade them to return what they had captured and settle the matter peacefully.
They persuaded me for a very long time.
But then at the head of Armenia was the "Karabakh clan" - the heroes of that war, and they did not want to admit that they were wrong.
And that was before Pashinyan.
Pashinyan, having come to power, beheaded the army, quarreled with all neighbors, unleashed a conflict this summer on the border with Azerbaijan OUTSIDE Karabakh ...
And lost the war.
Now it is being demolished by the people.

If the initiator of the publication of this recording is Lukashenka, then this is his game against Soros's team in a foreign field (but in his own right). He made public the financial aspects of the previous negotiations on Karabakh.
The Armenians are selfish and proud, and having learned that Pashinyan also threw them for such money ... In a word, a glass of kerosene on the coals of the people's anger.

And Aliyev in this situation really looks like a wise ruler who did everything to avoid war. but at the same time the Azerbaijanis consider it to be Patriotic.
And it's hard to argue against it.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Let's not stoop to discuss rumors.

Why then: "we are all gathered here today" Reality is rarely discussed here. Mostly rumors and fantasies.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

-8
Let's not stoop to discuss rumors

The voices are authentic!
Especially Lukashenka.

[Cowbra]

Little weed ... it would be better to sell tangerines

[Volodin]

Quote: Cowbra

Little weed ... it would be better to sell tangerines

Which of them is the "Soros"? - Lukashenko or Sargsyan? ..

[Cowbra]

Not. Luka is a weather vane, Armenidze is purely a slave. Left and right to this day can not twitch

[Volodin]

Quote: Cowbra

purely slave.

Who is the "slave" and the "soroset"? Sargsyan, or what? He himself, it seems, was thrown from his post by the "Soros" ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Cowbra

purely slave.

Who is the "slave" and the "soroset"? Sargsyan, or what? He himself, it seems, was thrown from his post by the "Soros" ...

But what's the difference, it's in, the main thing is to crow

[Cowbra]

Yes so. For a minus a sharp slide 0 "Smogulia"? Brain

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Volodin

Sargsyan

And what about Sargsyan?
For example, the ban on the broadcasting of our channels (except for one) and many other "friendly" steps towards us were not taken by the Armenians under Pashinyan. A short memory is a road to nowhere.

[Volodin]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

And what about Sargsyan?

And from this it is necessary to conclude that he is a "slave" and a "soroset"? You would first delve into the essence of the material and the comment under discussion (if it is in your plans at all, of course ...) before commenting. The path to nowhere is to cast a shadow over the fence.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Volodin

from this it is necessary to conclude that he is a "slave" and a "soro"?

Your conclusions are your problem. All information is available.
The ground for "color revolutions" in the post-Soviet space is often prepared not by the generally recognized "sorosets", but by our handshaking "friends", sinning, in a quiet, multi-vector manner.

[Volodin]

And the material is about the transfer of 7 districts ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

And the thread of comments about Sargsyan

[Volodin]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

And the thread of comments about Sargsyan

A thread of comments about some "slaves" and "sorosets", about which there is not a word in the material. Ofttop further if you like

[Pessimist22]

I had to take the money.

[sergey32]

All right, all fair. Do not open your mouth on someone else's loaf. They did not want to do it for the bad, but for the good it got worse

[Fregate]

Quote: Pessimist22

I had to take the money.

... arm themselves on them and take these areas again, then sell them again. Business, nothing personal.

[Fungus]

As a result, the Armenians did not receive money and the districts profited

[Mykhalych]

And what about Lexus and Vovan, didn't show up?

[evgen1221]

If not a fake, then it was quite a civilized step to resolve the conflict. It was necessary to take or involve our proud hucksters in our bazaars in the development of Karabakh.

[Boris Volkhonin]

If not a fake, then the question arose of the price of the onion itself received 1.6 billion to pay off debts and only A five yards for the lands of the Armenians on which the Armenians have lived for more than 20 centuries (this is not a robbery, perhaps) and then what kind of aizers did not exist in sight - Luka just wants to throw Armenians as they were thrown earlier by Baku commissars at the beginning of the last century

[Avior]

if this story is true, then Sargsyan's mistake was gross.
It was a chance for Armenia. Moreover, Sargsyan, unlike Pashinyan, could have done this, having presented as a victory and indemnity from Azerbaijan, he had sufficient weight and support.
The introduction of peacekeepers in Karabakh would remove a significant part of military expenditures from Armenia, would give a boost to the economy.
If Aliyev, of course, really suggested it

[Pandiurin]

If there was such a conversation, it is more like probing the negotiating positions.

Let's just say 5 billion is a virtual offer ...

But in any case, the Armenians had to get rid of the 7 Azerbaijani regions. How to get any guarantees from Azerbaijan or a third party for this is another question. It seems that this situation suited the Armenians and did not want to change anything and did not work in this direction.

[Rusticolus]

It also seems to me that if this is not a fake, then rather a proposal of intent. Again through an intermediary. If there is interest, then you can bargain more substantively, but no, there is nothing to talk about. Again, it is far from the fact that this is Lukashenka's idea. And he could hardly be the guarantor of the deal. But in the end, it’s not Putin’s to probe the soil on this subject？

[svp67]

In turn, the “voice of Sargsyan” declares that it is ready, in turn, to give money to Aliyev so that he would give up seven districts.

They would rather spend this money on training the army, since they did not want to bargain ...

[Avior]

Did he have this money?
Armenia's budget before Pashinyan, in 2017, is about $ 2,5 billion.
This 6 billion is a fantastic figure for Armenia, two annual budgets.

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

Did he have this money?

It would be EASY to collect from foreign diasporas

[Avior]

something they didn't run away
And for Aliyev this is not much money, for Armenia it is gigantic
Azerbaijan has more than 40 billion rubles in the oil fund alone.

[Roman070280]

From the conversation in Sargsyan's voice:

I can't go for it. 5 thousand of our citizens died there.

Lukashenka's voice:

Well, in the Great Patriotic War, we lost 30 million, and what about now, to fight the Germans ...

Fake ..
Someone really believes that Sargsyan is not allowed to sleep once killed 5 thousand citizens ??

[onstar9]

It is impossible to believe in reality ... Since he kept the whole country in such doggy conditions for many years ...

[rotmistr60]

If this conversation was really, then why did they suddenly decide to make it public today? Sargsyan's position is clear and understandable, since to give 7 districts and receive money for this in Armenia would be considered not just a betrayal, but a selfish betrayal. True, in 2020 I had to pay, and even with losses in manpower and equipment. The position of Lukashenka is not clear - at whose request and for what purpose did he decide to interfere in the affairs of a foreign state and act as a kind of "peacemaker"?

[Avior]

This was not offered to him personally, but to Armenia, and not for Karabakh, but for the Azerbaijani lands.
Contribution, what's treacherous

[rotmistr60]

what's treacherous

And you would have told the Armenians that period. They would probably "understand" you perfectly and explain what is betrayal and what is patriotism.

[Avior]

not everyone could tell that.
Sargsyan could.
Pashinyan is not.
wrong figure

[Rusticolus]

Well, now that the same Sargosyan cannot tell？ And then he did not sell, and after that he didn’t waste it. In any case, he did not lose anything. So I fully admit that this is a deliberate leak, it is clear for what and to whom.

[Avior]

He has already confirmed
And now it's too late to tell - no one offers money anymore
Aliyev achieved the same results without it, only Armenia lost two annual budgets

[Rusticolus]

I lost it, but Sargosyan is somehow out of business. Then the people allegedly did not agree, but now no one will give. He just hints that there was a proposal, and Pashinyan was probably aware of, he just did not voice it. So Pashinyan is to blame for everything, one way or another. And if it's simple, then he is corny after the fight, but I told you, I told you, and you and your Pashinyan profuse everything！

[Avior]

To be honest, this is such a deafening failure of Sargsyan that I find it strange that he says more there. 7 or 8 thousand dead on both sides, huge defense costs, the defeated army of Armenia - instead of a huge amount of income for Armenia - this is the price of his stupidity.

[Gennady Fomkin]

(Armenian) Gypsy Psychology. Another people with a wide diaspora and "talented people." But why the hell are they, instead of settling the blood of conquered Karabakh, populating Moscow, St. Petersburg, France and America? They ruined the economy in 30 years of independence and as a result got what they got.

A clever monkey, before swallowing a nut, will try it on from behind for a way out. The whole of Karabakh turned out to be not for Armenia's digestion, they would have taken only Artsakh and the Lachin corridor wider, and the rest would have been returned to Azerbaijan in the 90s on their own terms and would have built a paradise in Stepanakert and there would not have been any next tragedy of the Armenian people.

[onstar9]

Right! The Armenians should have not revel in their "invincibility", promising "if anything, we will seize the whole of Azerbaijan", but due to the Armenian prudence, quickly come to an agreement with Azerbaijan, nobly returning them the non-Karabakh regions. Then the whole world and public opinion would be on their side. And perhaps relations with Azerbaijan would have improved long ago ...

[APASUS]

It was possible to understand the Armenians, if they recognized Karabakh, negotiations on the transfer of purely Azerbaijani regions that are not part of Karabakh, all the same, it was necessary to conduct and negotiate. But it turned out that they could not save and put the people in, and anyone is to blame, but not the Armenians

[Gennady Fomkin]

Belarus and Armenia, due to the greed and stupidity of their elites, have plunged into the most serious crises over the past couple of decades. But their example is science to others.

“If there is a devil in the world, then he is not a goat-legged stag, but a dragon with three heads, and these heads are cunning, greed, betrayal. And if one bites a person, the other two will eat him to the ground. " This phrase by Gleb Zheglov, the character of the Weiner brothers' novel "The Era of Mercy", should be framed and hung in their office by the leaders of Belarus and Armenia. Indeed, through a combination of cunning, greed and betrayal, they have plunged their countries into the most serious political crises in decades. .... Gevorg Mirzayan - Associate Professor of the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation ...... And what are the "other former republics" famous for?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Foo. What disgusting faces, not to give these ... ny sons a single penny, let these their pocket oligarchs fiddle with.

[iouris]

I'll tell you one smart thing now, don't be offended by current.
The transfer of areas could take place peacefully. And even without money. But one small but very proud pitichka said: "And I will fly right into the sun!" We know the result. Armenia is a failed state, Azerbaijan has no less problems. And the Russian Federation will be very difficult to roll this bloody stuffing back.

[Cowbra]

As a result of the war, Armenia became a gasket, it now has no Armed Forces - Pashinyan copyright. Azerbaijan is in debt to Turkey, that's all. there is no Azerbaijan, now there is Turkey, the Azerbaijanis sold themselves for this war - in debt. True, in Artsakh - Russia, where is the top of the solution of issues in the field? Exactly. Everything is not decided there, which is very nasty and dumb.
One thing inspires - the Turks and Azerbaijanis spent a lot on the war. While they do not need provocations, they will not pull development. But it doesn't last forever.

[svoit]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

would take only Artsakh and the wider Lachin corridor, and return the rest

There was not enough trust in Azerbaijan, and in Russia as well, and no one worked in this direction.

[hydro]

and now there is trust? what did you get? Is Hadrut now Karabakh? Is Karabakh autonomy? yah

[hydro]

Lord, if you would have surrendered these areas, it is generally incomprehensible, Artsakh was not recognized, Karabakh was not recognized, 5000 died, now 2.5 thousand are not less, but they have not received money, and the peacekeepers are now dealing with a piece of what is left of Karabakh!

[fa2998]

Sorry, but where does Lukashenka have 5 billion dollars. I remember on the last visit Belarusians begged for a discount on gas, oil. And a modest subsidy.
Probably put Belarus in "Fast Money"

[noxange]

I remembered anecdote in the topic, sorry for the non-standard)

Somehow the savages caught an Armenian, a Russian and an Englishman. We were faced with a choice: to get free, you either have to eat a bag of salt, or give yourself a fuck to 20 savages, or pay 10000 bucks. The Englishman immediately paid 10 grand and was released. The Russian asked for salt. He ate a couple of spoons, realized that it was beyond his power, gave 10 pieces and he was also released. The Armenian began to eat salt. He ate half of the bag, burst out and crap and realized that he could not master the whole bag. Then he said, with you - fuck. The savages fuck him one after the other, and somewhere on the fifteenth savage the Armenian realized that he was about to die, took out the money, threw the savages with hatred and said - here, choke!

[Alien From]

Ches word! I'm tired of this Ukrainian nonsense!

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Boris Volkhonin

If not a fake, then the question arose of the price of the onion itself received 1.6 billion to pay off debts and only A five yards for the lands of the Armenians on which the Armenians have lived for more than 20 centuries (this is not a robbery, perhaps) and then what kind of aizers did not exist in sight - Luka just wants to throw Armenians as they were thrown earlier by Baku commissars at the beginning of the last century

Where do Armenians "live" for more than 20 centuries, in Fizuli, Aghdam, Jabrayil or Kelbajar?)) Did they spin the globe of "great" Armenia again?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Pandiurin

If there was such a conversation, it is more like probing the negotiating positions.

Let's just say 5 billion is a virtual offer ...

But in any case, the Armenians had to get rid of the 7 Azerbaijani regions. How to get any guarantees from Azerbaijan or a third party for this is another question. It seems that this situation suited the Armenians and did not want to change anything and did not work in this direction.

So the Armenians almost officially drew all these regions to Armenia on their maps, and their "nkr" legislatively (!) Included all the occupied regions of Azerbaijan in their under-republican Partzah.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: hydroy

Lord, if you would have surrendered these areas, it is generally incomprehensible, Artsakh was not recognized, Karabakh was not recognized, 5000 died, now 2.5 thousand are not less, but they have not received money, and the peacekeepers are now dealing with a piece of what is left of Karabakh!

Quote: fa2998

Sorry, but where does Lukashenka have 5 billion dollars. I remember on the last visit Belarusians begged for a discount on gas, oil. And a modest subsidy.
Probably put Belarus in "Fast Money"

Read the article again. You don't seem to understand what it says.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Let's not stoop to discuss rumors.

Let's discuss the commercial wars.
The Russian Federation has banned the import of apples and pomegranates from Azerbaijanis.
Again, market techniques in int. relationship.
Interesting.