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The consequences of the failure of the fire extinguishing system on the Prince of Wales aircraft carrier of the British Navy

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Details have emerged as to why the British aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales was unable to reach the waters for joint exercises with the US Navy. Initially it was reported that the aircraft carrier's crew "could not solve the problems with the appearance of water in the internal compartments."


The specific consequences of this incident are described.

In Britain, it is reported that the Prince of Wales, which is valued at more than $ 4 billion, suffered a fire extinguishing system failure. In this regard, the water began to flood part of the compartments of the aircraft carrier. In particular, water filled the engine room, which led to the failure of the power supply system of the power plant. In addition, several transformers burned down, providing power to several systems at once, including the ship's life support system.

According to some reports, the fire extinguishing system worked due to an increase in temperature in the engine room, which was originally associated with overheating of the power plant. The reasons for this overheating have not yet been reported.

The United Kingdom Navy notes that they cannot yet say exactly how long the repairs will be carried out. At the same time, it was noted that many elements of electrical equipment will have to be changed after exposure to water.

Preliminary estimates of the cost of repairs are at least $ 120 million.

The exercise, during which it was planned to work out the take-off and landing of the fifth generation F-35 American fighters, had to be postponed indefinitely.

The published footage shows the amount of water that was in the inner compartments of the Prince of Wales.

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  1. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 8 December 2020 07: 48
    +5
    Hmm, once Great Britain finally lost its status of a "sea power" - it landed. But if they call the ship a Siberian Baron, it will be something, but ... repeat
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 8 December 2020 08: 01
      -33%
      And what landed then? We can safely say that in 2-3 years it will be in service. This is not to torment poor little animal Kuzya. And it can also be argued that the fire-fighting system worked normally, but in the machine room there are a lot of things and often go crazy if you drive at full speed for a long time.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 8 December 2020 08: 21
        +32
        Since when is the spontaneous operation of the fire extinguishing system in the absence of a fire normal?
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 8 December 2020 09: 00
          -24%
          Not in the absence - but in the temperature rise in the engine room.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 8 December 2020 09: 21
            +25
            Quote: evgen1221
            Not in the absence - but in the temperature rise in the engine room.

            That is, if during a military campaign, if the engine overheats, the engine will flood, the electrics will burn out, the ship will lose speed and dangle like a g in an ice hole, do you think this is normal and normal? And what will happen if a PKR arrives at him, he drowns himself or what? As I understand it, the automation there is so advanced that when the transformers are flooded by your own fire extinguishing system, it considers it above its dignity to de-energize them and switch to reserve.
          2. Marconi41
            Marconi41 9 December 2020 00: 38
            +1
            Quote: evgen1221
            Not in the absence - but in the temperature rise in the engine room.

            It is generally strange that a water fire extinguishing system worked in the ship's MO, and even for such a long time.
          3. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 9 December 2020 18: 10
            +1
            Above 70 Celsius? But these are the English! And in general everything is better there ...
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 8 December 2020 09: 05
          +7
          I think there is no reason to call this actuation of the fire extinguishing system spontaneous. As the heat sensors were set up, the system worked. Another thing is that when setting up they were guided by some document that did not provide for overheating in the engine-boiler room, which, as I understood, was a feature of this ship. It is necessary to work on overheating, this is a constructive mistake. And the flooded equipment is only a consequence.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 8 December 2020 10: 05
            +5
            This is an explanation, but in fact the system, in the absence of a fire, worked falsely.
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 8 December 2020 10: 26
              +6
              Eh, you do not understand. It did not work falsely. If you want, the detection threshold was underestimated and did not take into account the actual operating conditions. Here's another example for you: the failure of the cold machine, which supplies conditioned air to the compartment for the watch. The temperature rises by several degrees - and the fire extinguishing is triggered. The response threshold must be made higher. And above it is impossible - documents are not allowed. According to the documents, we have sprinklers in buildings with flasks at 57 degrees, and there are flasks en masse at 68 degrees and the Ministry of Emergency Situations accepts this. Realizes that 57 is too little for life. Under the ceiling of a solarium, for example, there may be emissions of warm air by more than 57 degrees. And according to your reasoning, it is necessary to put open flame detectors so that the actuation is sure. But most fires are heat and smoke; open flames appear much later. Subtleties and nuances - and the output of the power plant from its temperature regime stuck into them.
              1. Terran
                Terran 8 December 2020 11: 55
                +5
                About flasks. It seems to me that you are confusing water mist fire extinguishing systems (TRV) on ships. Sprinkler (with a self-destructing bulb from temperature) is installed only in living quarters and corridors... The sprinkler system can be a separate or integral part (with a single pumping unit) for local fire extinguishing of the TRV of engine rooms (it is "deluge" or "water spraying"). But in the engine rooms, water is launched to the sprayers from the mainline by opening the e / m valves on a signal from the fire sensors (the fire alarm is separate from the general ship alarm) precisely because the conditions are completely different. And, by the way, for the local system (MO), it is the flame and / or smoke detectors that are recommended, and not the temperature.
                Judging by the flooding footage, I strongly doubt that it originated from the local expansion valve system - its water consumption is too low, and such that the pumps for draining the bilge wells of the machine rooms in the machine completely cope with it. Yes, and in ordinary water fire extinguishing, nothing like this can happen because of the "electrics-electronics". To flood the MO is either deliberately stoking with the main water fire pumps, or mechanical damage to the pipe / bottom-outboard fittings ... IMHO
                1. Terran
                  Terran 8 December 2020 12: 05
                  +5
                  Still wondering which engine rooms were flooded? In any case, this is a complete "Pe" that the turbines, that the generators, that the rowing electric motors .. this will require taking them out of the hull with all the attendant pleasures on the built ship)) I do not say if they also have, like us moved away from the "remnants of the past" with hermetic termination of the cores of the main cables when connected - the cables pump seawater with a capillary effect and there will be an ass with insulation resistance (as well as further internal latent corrosion). Replacing all relevant trunk cable routes will cost no less than replacing equipment.
                2. Galleon
                  Galleon 8 December 2020 14: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Terran
                  It seems to me that you are confusing the water mist fire extinguishing systems (TRV) on ships. Sprinkler (with a self-destructing bulb from temperature) is installed only in living quarters and corridors.

                  You missed my phrase
                  Here is another example:
                3. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 8 December 2020 16: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Terran
                  To flood the MO is either deliberately stoking with the main water fire pumps, or mechanical damage to the pipe / bottom-outboard fittings ... IMHO

                  I agree. yes
              2. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 8 December 2020 12: 41
                +2
                You didn't hear me, let's go again. Was there a fire? Based on the available data, no, but the system worked... Should it have worked on the fact of the situation? Apparently not. Why it worked in the absence of a fire is the tenth thing, because there can be many reasons. Here there may be a malfunction of the sensors, and the human factor in the form of incorrect settings or unaccounted for features of real operating conditions. Neither I nor you know this. You are right that the system could work exactly as it was prescribed, taking into account that very low threshold, but this does not negate the very fact of the emergency that has arisen. Somewhere at a certain point, the system (I'm not just talking about the fire extinguishing automation itself) malfunctioned. In no case can this whole situation be called standard.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 8 December 2020 14: 51
                  +1
                  I agree with this statement of the question smile , except for one thing - it should have worked when the temperature threshold was exceeded - it worked. And for what reason the temperature has increased - the device is not interested. And whether the emergency situation has become as a result of its work, or vice versa, has returned to the regular one - there are no such information channels in that hardware. There should be no complaints about fire extinguishing automation - there should be complaints about engineers and designers.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 8 December 2020 23: 17
                    +1
                    it should have triggered when the temperature threshold was exceeded - it did.
                    Resolve the question! Should the fire extinguishing system go off? At least in manual mode, after inspection by the crew and a statement of the absence of ignition. Or extinguish the fire until the ship is completely flooded? hi
                    1. Galleon
                      Galleon 9 December 2020 00: 18
                      -2
                      Quote: sharp-lad
                      And the fire extinguishing system must be turned offьXia?

                      Do you know where the controls for the fire extinguishing system are located on this project? I will assume that the shutoff valves next to the pumps are deep below the waterline. On-off, in theory, should be in the PEZH. As in fact, the factory workers and crew members, the mechanical officers.
                      1. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 9 December 2020 20: 28
                        +1
                        I do not know either! smile But the designers and responsible crew members were obliged to know everything and act accordingly. After what he saw, one of two things can be assumed: either the designers themselves did not know what they were designing, or the ship's crew began to get acquainted with the ship and its systems only after going out to sea. request
                      2. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 9 December 2020 20: 31
                        0
                        When I had an object with an automated fire-extinguishing system, I immediately found out where the shut-off valves and the switch of the pumps of this system are located. smile
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 8 December 2020 16: 20
                +4
                Quote: Galleon
                The temperature rises by several degrees - and the fire extinguishing is triggered.
                Nope. The irrigation system works - the shroud. If the gradient is increasing, then fire extinguishing. If this does not help, then flooding. The cellars are arranged this way. And then there are inhibitor systems that vulgarly squeeze air from the combustion surface. Remember the glowing banners at the door: Leave the compartment. GAS.
                Quote: Galleon
                most fires are heat and smoke, open flames appear much later.
                Fire = uncontrolled burning! Spread of flame, not heat and smoke. These are phenomena accompanying a fire.
                Quote: Galleon
                Subtleties and nuances - and the output of the power plant from its temperature regime stuck into them.

                Yeah. And the mechanical engineer on duty ate a moth! And it became impossible for him to turn the toggle switch in order to stop the water supply to the PZhS in time! I waited for the water to rise under the ceiling! Gentlemen they are, they are persistent and seasoned! Until the flame begins to lick the heels, they will not budge !!! bully
                1. Marconi41
                  Marconi41 9 December 2020 00: 48
                  +2
                  On our ships, in any compartment, there are people who will unequivocally warn the engineer of the watch about an emergency situation. Turning off the pumps in the CPU is a matter of seconds.
          2. figwam
            figwam 8 December 2020 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: Galleon
            I think there is no reason to call this triggering of the fire extinguishing system spontaneous.

            There is no fire, but the ship is flooded with water)))
            And the news is great.
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 8 December 2020 10: 35
              0
              Yes, a person runs into the alarm for nothing. And she worked her way, as it was established stop )) Man is to blame, not automation. But during disassembly, everyone will be out of business, the watchman will be the last wassat .
              1. figwam
                figwam 8 December 2020 10: 45
                -1
                Quote: Galleon
                And she worked her way

                The sensors have triggered falsely, and let the English court decide who is to blame.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 8 December 2020 14: 54
                  0
                  If the sensors had triggered at + 20C, they would have triggered falsely. If they worked on the threshold that was set in them, they worked correctly. It is not necessary to approach the field of physics with lyric reasoning. We argue about an elementary thing. It's like taking offense for falling into a puddle that froze over in winter.
          3. evgen1221
            evgen1221 9 December 2020 19: 00
            -1
            Well, I'm talking about too, but somehow more clumsily, for which I shove off a bunch of minuses above)))
        3. swnvaleria
          swnvaleria 8 December 2020 12: 57
          0
          and the prince is full of holes! here's Europe !!!
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 December 2020 08: 46
        +11
        Quote: evgen1221
        And what landed then? We can safely say that in 2-3 years it will be in service. This is not to torment poor little animal Kuzya. And it can also be argued that the fire-fighting system worked normally, but in the machine room there are a lot of things and often go crazy if you drive at full speed for a long time.


        "We know there are still families,
        Where our screaming and scolding,
        Where they look with emotion
        On foreign stickers.
        And they eat Russian bacon! "
        S.V. Mikhalkov
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 8 December 2020 09: 03
          -22%
          That does not negate the fact that their ship will come out of repair much earlier, Sawing is not about rolling bags.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 December 2020 09: 10
            +10
            Quote: evgen1221
            Which does not negate the fact that their ship will be out of repair much earlier.

            It does not negate the fact that the British have any financial and contracting organizations in the world at their disposal, which will gladly work with them without any threats of imposing sanctions.
            Can you guarantee that the UK is not cutting the budget? Can you confirm that not to the same extent as in Russia?
            You can not. Why then are you pouring like a nightingale? Or is it your life credo - unfounded statements?
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 8 December 2020 09: 13
            +3
            Quote: evgen1221
            That does not negate the fact that their ship will come out of repair much earlier, Sawing is not about rolling bags.

            When it will be released is unknown! The budget is sawing even more actively than ours!
          3. matross
            matross 8 December 2020 10: 08
            0
            Quote: evgen1221
            their ship

            The ship is under the bed. Next to the duck. And this is a warship, Mr. Naval Expert!
      3. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 8 December 2020 09: 23
        +9
        Yes, yes ... of course, they, the light elves, always have everything regular. Khovno filled the engine room from the latrine - this was the intention of the British sailors (together with British scientists laughing ), the ship's equipment was out of order for 100 million greens, so it was conceived during the exercises (how else is it? belay wars of light are always right !!!?). Even if the ship sank, then you and your sect of kissing the dupa of the Anglo-Saxon nation would certainly shout that the ship sank according to plan, because thought he was a yellow submarine crying ... So, keep up the good work - shit on Morder, and kiss the noble one ... laughing Just do not overdo it, so as not to earn a callous! SUGS !!! Smirt the curds!
      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 December 2020 09: 25
        +11
        Quote: evgen1221
        And what landed then? We can safely say that in 2-3 years it will be in service.

        Will be. The only fact is that Britain has not built large ships for a long time and has clearly lost the ability to do this. The fact that the crew could not shut down the fire extinguishing system is absurd. The fact that the banal flooding of the compartment led to the general failure of the generators with the shutdown of the life support system is an enchanting absurdity. These are simply unacceptable things on a warship, and the fact that the British stumble on this is evidence of the extremely low culture of ship design and construction.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 8 December 2020 12: 50
          +3
          This is no longer a low design culture, it is already its absence. If there was a combat situation?)))
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 December 2020 13: 31
            +3
            Yes there would be Prince of Wells, part two. You will still laugh, but the battleship of the same name went down during the Second World War for similar reasons.
            He received a torpedo hit, bending the shaft, which, while spinning, provided a leak. In theory, the machine was supposed to be purple (by design), but as a result of non-fatal flooding on the ship, the electricity was completely cut off, so that all the long and medium air defense was cut off. The Japanese didn't sleep ...
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 December 2020 17: 49
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Yes there would be Prince of Wells, part two. You will still laugh, but the battleship of the same name went down during the Second World War for similar reasons.
              He received a torpedo hit, bending the shaft, which, while spinning, provided a leak. In theory, the machine was supposed to be purple (by design), but as a result of non-fatal flooding on the ship, the electricity was completely cut off, so that all the long and medium air defense was cut off. The Japanese didn't sleep ...

              I remember one battleship, whose power supply was cut off without any enemy hits at all - from concussions during volleys of its own main battery. smile
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 8 December 2020 18: 18
                0
                It happens. Cannons of caliber 380 - 406 mm. - recoil "be healthy")))
              2. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 8 December 2020 19: 03
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                I remember one battleship, whose power supply was cut off without any enemy hits at all - from concussions during volleys of its own main battery.

                And there was also a battleship whose hull seams parted from the concussions during the volleys of its own main battery ...
            2. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 8 December 2020 18: 17
              0
              Well, actually, in that "Prince" the samurai planted from 4 to 6 torpedoes, which is confirmed by underwater filming - "National Geographic."
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 December 2020 06: 16
                0
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Well, actually, in that "Prince" the samurai planted from 4 to 6 torpedoes

                The rest - only later.
      5. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 09: 32
        +9
        Quote: evgen1221
        We can safely say that in 2-3 years it will be in service. This is not to torment poor little animal Kuzya.

        Yes, yes, of course.
        This is different.
        "Zhivotinka Kuzya" arrived in the designated area, completed all the tasks, and returned home safely.
        But he is guilty all the same, along with the damned regime, which "torments the animal."
      6. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 December 2020 09: 34
        0
        So he stood at the pier, there were not any full moves. Mom always told me once there was such a booze, never start the mechanisms under this case. Or call a reliable replacement. The reason is negligence (whiskey). Working as a refactor when I went to the CPU duty station) always looked at the control points. When entering the CPU, the report: The flight is normal! or And your "milk" ran away there. After the last one, only I am left in the CPU. And there are so many buttons and watches. And nothing drowned or burned out ... hi
      7. venik
        venik 8 December 2020 10: 19
        +2
        Quote: evgen1221
        And it can also be argued that the fire alarm system worked normally.

        =========
        As for "regular" - I can not guarantee, but "great" - that's for sure! lol

        -----------
        Quote: evgen1221
        Well, in the machine room there are a lot of things and often go crazy if you drive at full speed for a long time.

        =========
        Do you think this is also the "engine room" ??? belay

        laughing
        1. Kart
          Kart 8 December 2020 10: 35
          +1
          Apparently, the designers of fire-prevention systems and electronic systems for supporting other types of life are different companies.
          The firefighters completed the task - the fire was extinguished despite the consequences.
          The rest are not. Not provided for protection from water.

          And now imagine, in real combat conditions, something flew in, a fire broke out, the system worked to its maximum, the electronics were covered, and the ship turned into a metal coffin without wheels.
          1. venik
            venik 8 December 2020 10: 50
            0
            Quote: Carte
            The firefighters completed the task - the fire was extinguished despite the consequences.

            ==============
            good I would say even more: "The fire is EFFECTIVELY extinguished, despite its ABSENCE!" lol drinks
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 December 2020 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: Carte
            Apparently, the designers of fire-prevention systems and electronic systems for supporting other types of life are different companies.

            Classic!
            I come to the director, I say:
            - Who made the suit? Who did this? I won’t do anything, I won’t scream, I just want to look him in the eye.
            It turns out a hundred people. I say:
            - Guys who made a suit?
            They speak:
            - We!
            I say:
            - Who are we"?
            They speak:
            - We have a narrow specialization. One sews a pocket, one sews a small pocket, I personally sew buttons. Do you have any complaints about buttons?
            - No! Sewn to death, do not tear it! Who made the costume? Who sewed sleeves instead of pants? Who, instead of the sleeves, dangled my pants? Who did this?
            They speak:
            - Say thank you that we did not sew a sleeve on the codpiece.
            Can you imagine? There are a hundred of them, and I am alone. And everyone stands like buttons: to death. And I said:
            - Hi guys! You are well settled!
            © A. Raikin
      8. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 8 December 2020 12: 48
        0
        Judging by the fact that "Prince", the British do not really need it, then they will repair it without much haste))) and there, look, it will go "for spare parts" for "Lizka"))))
      9. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 December 2020 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: evgen1221
        it can be argued that the fire alarm system worked normally,

        If it is falsely triggered (this often happened), it is turned off from the PES by turning the toggle switch. And here is the flood! It is very unlike a false alarm if the engine room is drowning as if the main engine cooling system burst! Therefore, it is very doubtful that the sirs wrote the truth ... yes
    2. Finches
      Finches 8 December 2020 08: 10
      +16
      It is with such wonderful and bright news that working days should begin! laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 December 2020 09: 39
        +2
        Only VO slows down, I started celebrating this thing yesterday. I posted two posts in two topics. One person read it, so sometimes you have to read the comments to the end. And we will be happy! soldier
    3. Cowbra
      Cowbra 8 December 2020 08: 12
      +1
      Britain is the ruler of the fields. They were sheep-dogs all their lives, and not sailors, sailors, such as the Vikings and Irish, they were put into uncomfortable positions
      1. iouris
        iouris 8 December 2020 13: 50
        0
        Do not talk too much. Britain was the "ruler of the seas". Yes, and still not a weak sea power, although a little differently.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 8 December 2020 14: 06
          0
          What is the speaker of the upper House of Lords sitting on? On a bag of wool. Not at anchor, for example. Maybe because there was a short episode with the seas, from the defeat of the Spaniards to the end of WWI, and before and after - they were not the strongest at sea?
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 8 December 2020 09: 18
      +3
      Well, in general, 2 news passed simultaneously. One warhead 5 slept through the flood on their farm, apparently hung in TikTok. According to another, the FSO and the FSB slept through the looting of the doomsday plane. And now the robbers are very actively looking for, with the involvement of all possible forces and means + Moscow business travelers from the central office. However, the very fact:

      Back on Friday, December 4, the head of the aviation security service of JSC "Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex (TANTK) named after G.M. Beriev ", where the" doomsday plane "Il-80 VZPU flew for scheduled work, turned to the police, informing that during the inspection in the early morning of the aircraft, traces of opening the cargo hatch were found.

      Later, experts calculated the damage from the visit of the thieves; they were stolen from the air control center 39 blocks of various communication equipment and five more boards from five of the same dismantled blocks.

      What exactly was stolen is not named, but there is reason to believe that it could have been stolen communication equipment - radio transmitting and receiving devices, equipment for classifying speech information, encryption devices.

      "Maintenance Engineer of the aircraft said that the TANTK was replacing the lubricant on the rods of the shock absorber landing gear. According to him, all on-board instruments were in place at the time of acceptance of the aircraft.... After the completion of the work, the main entrance, cargo compartment hatch, three emergency exits were sealed.


      In general, they flew in for a lubrication / tire fitting, and flew away naked and without equipment (including secret).
      1. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 09: 34
        -1
        In general, why is it here?
        To shout again that everything is bad with us?
        So this is not true.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 8 December 2020 09: 39
          +3
          No, that the two fakapas passed simultaneously. Some hung in a tick-tock and slept as water leaked into the engine room from the mains. Others got carried away with solving crosswords or Dark Fantasy and overslept as they had a letter board on a small TO.

          Moreover, both events took place simultaneously. wink Aki Bond and Bashirov received a command to act in one day laughing
          1. Kart
            Kart 8 December 2020 10: 09
            -2
            Well, they carried it in and out. It happens.
            The main thing is that he is, and not alone.
            How many countries do they have?
    5. sniperino
      sniperino 8 December 2020 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Great Britain finally lost its status of a "sea power" - it landed.
      Now Ukraine becomes the "mistress of the seas".
      1. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 10: 10
        -2
        If only digs up a new sea.
    6. Alex777
      Alex777 8 December 2020 14: 45
      0
      Hmm, once Great Britain finally lost its status of a "sea power"

      Yes. Epic fail. I don't even know which is worse: a fire or such a flood.
      The heavens are not interested in new aircraft carriers from the Anglo-Saxons. bully
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 8 December 2020 08: 00
    +8
    It was necessary to drop something heavy on the deck.
    In order to catch up with Kuzya.
    So that our home-grown liberals cannot say that THIS IS ANOTHER!
    1. Mykhalych
      Mykhalych 8 December 2020 08: 04
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      It was necessary to drop something heavy on the deck.

      A smoke bomb, and let them prove that this is not the motive power of smoke, otherwise I remember a lot of sarcasm about “Admiral Kuznetsov”.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 8 December 2020 09: 10
        0
        There, then, the barmaid became pregnant and they chose dad. Link:
        [media = https: //youtu.be/Zvds3bTbfGM? t = 313]
        smile
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 December 2020 10: 13
        0
        Where are Kuznetsov's apologists, no way. Gerald Ford is next in line. The sailors have moved from the portners.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 December 2020 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: Mykhalych

        Smoke bomb, and let them prove that it is not the propellant smokes,
        Mykhalych! do not confuse Dvigun (engine - GEM / KTU) with a propeller - a 5-blade fixed-pitch propeller, which by definition cannot "smoke" - water is all around!
        This is for general development. AHA.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 December 2020 09: 46
      +4
      I will say even more. Elizabeth is in port due to problems with the propeller. Netuti at Great Britan on the move of aircraft carriers. If the problem with the propeller, I hope that the problem is in the MISH. The mechanism for changing the pitch of the propeller, passed, this is a complete ass, with sharp decks.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 December 2020 17: 29
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        If the screw has a problem, I hope that the problem is in the MISH. The mechanism for changing the pitch of the screw,

        Colleague, you are somewhat mistaken:
        The main engine is a Rolls-Royce Integrated Electric Propulsion (IEP) system, which will consist of two Rolls-Royce Marine MT30 gas turbines with a capacity of 36 MW each and four diesels with a total capacity of 40 MW. The engines run on generators that supply electricity to the ship's common low-voltage network and power two electric motors that rotate two propeller shafts with fixed pitch propellers.

        And she has a problem with the stern tube seal of the LP. (The diapers had to be changed on time! laughing )
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 December 2020 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      It was necessary to drop something heavy on the deck.
      In order to catch up with Kuzya.

      What are you, my dear! No one can compare with Kuzey even in a nightmare: not a single prim sir will be honored with MAZUT to flood the corridor and control post of anti-ship missiles.
      So, relax - the palm tree for gouging is firmly in our hardened working- PEASANT hands! bully
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 December 2020 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        What are you, my dear! No one can compare with Kuzey even in a nightmare: not a single prim sir will be honored with MAZUT to flood the corridor and control post of anti-ship missiles.

        As usual, our sailor is unusually curious and extremely playful. Running along the corridor of the only aircraft carrier in Russia, he thoughtlessly poked a button on a pretty unsealed device with his dirty finger and a nibbled fingernail, and hearing a loud pop and the sound of pouring water behind the bulkhead, joyfully jumped and rushed into the bread slicer to steal butter. What does it matter to him that within a few seconds he incapacitated immediately more than a hundred of the best air-to-air anti-aircraft missiles in the world, for each of which the once fraternal Ukraine is fighting over more than one hundred thousand dollars with us according to the best world standards.
        © Vice Admiral Radzevsky
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 December 2020 18: 21
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Vice Admiral Radzevsky

          Gena is a humorist! fellow
          ("I recognize brother Kolya!" - a meeting of O. Bender and Shura Balaganov in the office of the district chief - oil painting! laughing
          But that's what it is!
          The first aircraft carrier in the Union was preparing to enter his first battle in Mediterranean. And suddenly BATTLE ALARM !!!
          Irrigation of the 1st cellar of BCh-2, where Basalts are stored !!!
          The KGB did not get off the board until the roach was given back and the bridle was lifted on board ...
          Found later, but the division commander 1RD drank blood - a tank! And the P-500 in 1977 was a piece goods ... and they cost like a locomotive!
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 December 2020 08: 02
    +3
    neighbors from above drown laughing
  4. boris epstein
    boris epstein 8 December 2020 08: 02
    +2
    Yes, it turns out not only on the "Admiral of the Fleet Kuznetsov" this can happen. And then zapadlyugi mocked "Kuznetsov" that he smokes. So why are they better?
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 09: 35
      +2
      They aren't just better.
      Kuznetsov smoked, smoked, but fulfilled the task.
      And this one, as you can see, did not reach the place.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 December 2020 10: 10
        0
        hi So they have two avics at the pier, and dead. Lizka problems with the propeller. Today, since yesterday, we can have some fun. hi
        1. Kart
          Kart 8 December 2020 10: 12
          -1
          Here. But for some it is "different."
          Enthusiastic worship and blind faith - "they will fix it, and apple trees will bloom on Mars."
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 8 December 2020 10: 26
            +3
            Lizka has a problem with the propeller, I hope this is a problem with the Bear, the Propeller Pitch Changing Mechanism. Like three words, we probably had 6 thousand horsepower on the shaft. But this crap was taken out of the gross line for 15 days. Had a lot of fun. the engine room is completely flooded. Sea water and electrical equipment are not compatible. Until June, the Prince is scrap metal. My forecast will be longer, during this time some of the suppliers have gotten into trouble, with the corresponding consequences.
  5. svp67
    svp67 8 December 2020 08: 04
    +7
    According to some reports, the fire extinguishing system worked due to an increase in temperature in the engine room, which was originally associated with overheating of the power plant. The reasons for this overheating have not yet been reported.

    And in this Putin is PERSONALLY to blame !!! wassat
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 December 2020 08: 09
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      And in this Putin is PERSONALLY to blame !!!

      Obama! It sings not only in our entrances.
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 December 2020 08: 13
        +5
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Obama!

        What a bastard !!!!!
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 8 December 2020 17: 49
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Obama! It sings not only in our entrances.
        He hasn't gotten them all for the slave trade.
    2. BIABIA
      BIABIA 8 December 2020 08: 44
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      According to some reports, the fire extinguishing system worked due to an increase in temperature in the engine room, which was originally associated with overheating of the power plant. The reasons for this overheating have not yet been reported.

      And in this Putin is PERSONALLY to blame !!! wassat


      He was not alone. Shoigu personally helped him. It is strange that Westerners do not write about this yet. Russia is to blame for everything, period! However, it is not evening yet ...
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 December 2020 09: 48
      +3
      I kept a lighted lighter under the temperature sensor! lol
  6. master 52
    master 52 8 December 2020 08: 04
    +2
    how you call a ship so it will float, but of course it's a matter of sawing money at the seams and they know how
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 December 2020 08: 04
    +6
    They weren't the ones who shouted about Kuzya the most? The earth is round - it floats up homno
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2020 08: 06
    +5
    "Zircons", "Zircons" ... And there is no need to spend money, they will drown themselves! wassat But seriously, such a huge and complex ship, prohibitively expensive, turns out to be vulnerable simply because of its complexity ... I'm thinking, what if there is also combat damage?
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 10: 15
      -1
      That's it!
      Indeed, these modern ships have never been tested against a powerful enemy.
      No developers can foresee what can suddenly happen there. A typical example is our weapon in Syria. everything is fine at the test site, in real conditions I had to urgently make improvements, or even refuse.
      This is the trouble with all complex technology.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 December 2020 17: 43
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I'm thinking, what if there is also combat damage?
      Check out the fighting for the Falklands. EM "Sheffield" burned down even without the explosion of the BZO RCC Exocet! Just hitting and burning out the RCC fuel !!!

      And this is how Aviks burn when an aviation BZ explodes:


      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 December 2020 19: 11
        +2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        EM "Sheffield" burned down even without the explosion of the BZO RCC Exocet! Just hitting and burning out the RCC fuel !!!

        There, theoretically, the non-combustible plastic of the interior finish played its role (they got rid of light lime alloys for "type 42", but they forgot about the plastic). In a real fire, it still turned out to be combustible, and with the release of a large amount of pungent black smoke. As a result, the emergency parties of other ships that came to the rescue simply could not enter the Sheffield - due to zero visibility and the impossibility of orientation.
        And the main reason was still an extremely successful missile hit, which managed to interrupt the fire main and disable two of the three serviceable pumps (the third, however, did not work for long and also died without raising the pressure to normal, and the fourth at the time of the hit already did not work). As a result, the Sheffield team had only portable pumps and fire extinguishers left for the BZZ.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 8 December 2020 08: 07
    +5
    Yes, everyone has accidents. But the temperature rise in MO. 10 degrees? Rave.
    the fire extinguishing system worked due to an increase in temperature in the engine room, which was initially associated with overheating of the power plant
    Does the overheated installation need to be watered? fool
  10. tarabar
    tarabar 8 December 2020 08: 19
    +6
    We urgently need to apply Ukrainian know-how, weld this vessel with rails to the pier, otherwise the Prince of Selsky will drown right at the quay wall and again we will remain guilty. laughing Petrov and Boshirov are not asleep. lol
  11. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 8 December 2020 09: 04
    -3
    Well, at least they honestly publish footage of the accident, unlike about us ...
  12. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 8 December 2020 09: 09
    +2
    And after all, the smoke from the Prince's chimney is not black like Kuzi's, but hey, you didn't save it.
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 December 2020 09: 24
    +6
    Once we installed a fire extinguishing system from a leading European manufacturer at the facility of one very serious department. The object was a newly built structure. As it happens in newly built structures, water from the roof found a path to one of the boards that control the gas fire extinguishing section. The motherboard of the leading manufacturer was not even varnished, but that would be nothing.
    The system is decentralized (unlike most of ours), these boards are installed directly near the protected section, and do not have a single redundant circuit or the ability to shutdown in case of failure. This is by design.
    In general, for the happiness of the duty shift, I, at my own peril and risk, ordered not to connect the control of one of the doors to the system. I really didn't like such a non-alternative system, despite all its show-off. If not for this door, the entire shift of operators would have remained there. It was impossible to breathe the fire-fighting mixture ...
    Economy and frugality in Western management systems have long gone into madness. This is evidenced by such cases, which are occurring more and more often. I suppose the guys tried to turn off the extinguishing, but so far they found a way to do it ... Or maybe they did not find it. It is quite possible (based on the Western training system) that the pumps drove outboard water until their engines flooded themselves.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 December 2020 10: 30
      +1
      It's good that you, as a specialist, stayed with us. And it takes a lot of courage to go against the system! hi
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 8 December 2020 12: 37
        +1
        Thanks. Health is needed. Since they thanked me (the change was so very grateful), but I earned a black mark. Breaking the project without making changes. It was impossible to make changes, our ingenious standards, too, now, as in the West, do not provide for emergency situations. The doors should be locked, and that's it.
  14. da Vinci
    da Vinci 8 December 2020 09: 28
    0
    Is it really Boshiroff?
  15. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 8 December 2020 09: 34
    0
    When repairing Prince of Wales, it would be better to eliminate the automatic flush in the latrines ... So, for the future))
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 December 2020 10: 17
      +1
      And if you need to urgently wash away?
      The lives of light-faced fighters against Russian tyranny are important.
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2020 10: 29
    0
    Just the other day, the British complained that the "armada" of Russian warships was snooping along the coast of the great (once) Britain. It was from the heat of passion that the fire extinguishing system on the British aircraft carrier worked. Everything is natural - don't dig a hole for another ...
  17. zwlad
    zwlad 8 December 2020 10: 33
    0
    Apparently Juan, who burned the American UDC, made his way into the British Navy.
  18. iouris
    iouris 8 December 2020 11: 15
    0
    "Break down!". "Get in line!" - these are the Command Rule commands.
    According to the standard "Reliability in technology" (why "in technology?"), A technical object (an object of technology) can be in the following states: serviceable, faulty, efficient, inoperative, limiting.
    An object of technology does not "stand", and therefore cannot "fail", be out of order of objects of technology.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 8 December 2020 12: 27
    +1
    Normally, they pushed everything to the breakdown of the fire extinguishing system, and then the engine overheats and it went off. There are not one or even two critical problems
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 December 2020 17: 59
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      pushed everything to a breakdown of the fire extinguishing system, and there the engine overheats and it went off

      There is such a suspicion. Although the Rolls-Royce turbines are very good for themselves, apparently there is a hole in the old woman. Otherwise, the automation would not have worked ... Perhaps a massive fire in the Moscow region was warned. But why the water supply did not stop on time - that is, a question for experts!
      I have only one question:
      and that there is no duplication of systems? The watch in the PEZH (CPU) is not carried at all? And if it rushes, then what is the level of training of mechanical engineers who are not able to turn off the fire extinguishing system or, at worst, open the water bypass valve to the lower decks, to the hold, finally!
      In short, unanswered questions ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 8 December 2020 19: 06
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        I have only one question:
        and that there is no duplication of systems? The watch in the PEZH (CPU) is not carried at all? And if it rushes, then what is the level of training of mechanical engineers who are not able to turn off the fire extinguishing system or, at worst, open the water bypass valve to the lower decks, to the hold, finally!
        In short, unanswered questions ..

        Is there more likely a valve with an electric drive, there are simply no duplicate mechanical systems? Although there may simply not be a competent specialist who knows the entire pipeline system.
  20. tech3030
    tech3030 8 December 2020 14: 34
    0
    They still need to hire a combat welder!
  21. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 8 December 2020 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: Terran
    In any case, this is a complete "Pe" that turbines, that generators, that propeller electric motors .. this will require removing them from the hull with all the attendant pleasures on the built ship))

    A bit simpler. Rinse with distilled water, then with alcohol, then dry with heat guns with wind turbines. They will measure the insulation resistance if everything is normal - they will accept it. If not, the procedure is repeated until the parameters are driven back to normal.
    Quote: Terran
    the cables are pumped by the capillary effect of seawater and there will be an asshole with insulation resistance (as well as further internal hidden corrosion). Replacing all relevant trunk cable routes will cost no less than replacing equipment.

    "That's for sure! (S)" - Red Army soldier Sukhov. laughing
  22. Galleon
    Galleon 8 December 2020 17: 10
    0
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Nope. The irrigation system works - the shroud. If the gradient is increasing, then fire extinguishing. If this does not help, then flooding. The cellars are arranged this way.

    It was simpler in our AK-130 artillery cellars - drenchers for fire extinguishing and forced flooding of the cellar: an electromagnetic valve, there is almost half a ton of water per second. I remember the inhibitor system was in the missile cellars.
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Fire = uncontrolled burning! Spread of flame, not heat and smoke. These are phenomena accompanying a fire.

    It depends on what and how it burns. Not many materials start to burn with a flame. and the first damaging factor of the fire - smoke (especially from burning synthetics) and carbon monoxide, there are always fewer burned ones - I repeat, with rare exceptions. So they teach in courses on a minimum.
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Yeah. And the mechanical engineer on duty ate a moth! And it became impossible for him to turn the toggle switch in order to stop the water supply to the PZhS in time! I waited for the water to rise under the ceiling! Gentlemen they are, they are persistent and seasoned! Until the flame begins to lick the heels, they will not budge !!!

    But this is already a mystery to me, and I am not going to justify the gentlemen. I did not write about the human factor - I was scratched by the incorrect phrase "false positive".
  23. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 8 December 2020 17: 18
    0
    Poor fellow Nelson is tossing and turning in his coffin ...
  24. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 8 December 2020 20: 29
    -1
    Does the saloon look especially good in the video or what is it? Where waterfalls flow from the ceiling, and at the same time both lighting and TV work. Knowledge of electrical safety rules for 100500 out of 5. laughing