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Kuril precedent. Americans offer southern smokers to pay taxes to Japan

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Source: Ekaterina Vasyagina, Wikimedia Commons


American lottery


History The Japanese newspaper Hokkaido Shimbun dug up the outrageous line of behavior of American diplomats just the other day. On December 6, journalists found out that since 2018, when issuing green cards for residence in the United States, Americans consider the South Kuril Islands a part of Japan. And this does not last far from two years - according to officials in Washington, the United States has recognized Japanese sovereignty over the islands of Habomai, Shikotan, Kunashir and Iturup since 1956.
Russians born on the southern Kuril Islands, which are considered by Japan to be "temporarily occupied northern territories", will face unpleasant surprises when applying for a long-term residence permit in the United States. First, American diplomats will consider them native Japanese, despite their Russian passports. This is a rather strict requirement - in the application for the notorious green card, you will have to write "Japanese", otherwise the documents will not be accepted. But this is not so bad. Secondly, in accordance with generally accepted taxation rules, such "Russian Japanese" must pay taxes to the Tokyo budget. How much finance can be collected from a Russian citizen in favor of the Japanese economy is not separately regulated. In this case, American diplomats clearly limited the scope of Russian jurisdiction - the natives of South Sakhalin were generously “allowed” to pay taxes to the treasury of the Russian Federation.


Source: themoscowtimes.com

In 2018, about 22 thousand Japanese people took part in the drawing of a green card for long-term residence in the United States. At the same time, over the same year, Russia received an order of magnitude more similar requests - 290 thousand. How many of them were filed by the natives of the South Kuriles in such a dual status, history is silent.

Kuril Islands - a tasty morsel for Washington


Since the Cold War, the “Kuril problem” has been expertly used by the United States to drive a wedge between the USSR and Japan. The goal was to prevent their possible rapprochement and to keep occupied Japan forever in the orbit of its influence. Subsequently, one more goal was added to these goals: with a successful coincidence of circumstances, establish its military control over the South Kuriles through allied Japan and expand its capabilities to control the strategically important Sea of ​​Okhotsk. That is, the main beneficiary from the hypothetical transition of Habomai, Shikotan, Kunashir and Iturup back under the jurisdiction of Tokyo will not be the Japanese at all, but the military-political leadership of the United States. The outrageous story of the American green cards appears to be the next step for the long-term escalation of tensions between countries.
Let us recall the events of almost seventy years ago. On September 8, 1951, a peace treaty developed by the United States and Great Britain was signed in San Francisco between Japan and the allies. At first glance, the treaty was prepared in full accordance with the Yalta Agreements, according to which South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were transferred to the Soviet Union. In San Francisco, Tokyo officially and quite peacefully renounced all rights and claims to South Sakhalin and the Kuriles. Moreover, Japan even lost the right to raise such a territorial issue in the future. But this agreement was drawn up in a very ambiguous way, and it did not indicate to whom exactly the Kuril Islands should go. A dangerous precedent was created that could be perceived ambiguously by different powers. The islands that passed to the USSR were not named in the treaty, which was one of the reasons why the USSR, represented by A.A. Gromyko, did not sign the San Francisco Treaty.
The United States regarded such a demarche by Moscow in a very peculiar way and decided unilaterally that they would not recognize any territorial claims of the USSR to Japan. That is, they made the existence of Soviet sovereignty over South Sakhalin and the Kuriles illegal. Outside of their American law ...

Ending a state of war


The Moscow Declaration of December 19, 1956 became a kind of substitute for the San Francisco Treaty. Under its terms, the state of war between Moscow and Tokyo ended, and diplomatic relations were restored. In turn, the USSR renounced all reparations and claims against Japan, pledged to release and repatriate all of its convicted citizens to their homeland. The signing of the declaration opened the way for Japan to join the UN, since the USSR pledged to support her request to join this organization. Article 9 of the document states that after the establishment of diplomatic relations, the parties will continue negotiations to conclude a peace treaty; and the USSR, as a gesture of goodwill, agrees to transfer, after the conclusion of a peace treaty, the Habomai Ridge and Shikotan Island. We should especially note - it was only two islands. As a result, it is clear that the Moscow Declaration was more a concession for the Japanese than a mutually beneficial agreement. The declaration unambiguously made it clear how important the relationship with the rising Japan was to Moscow. But in Tokyo they did not want or could not draw the correct conclusions from this. Largely because of the position of the United States. The United States has adopted a very aggressive stance on the development of relations between Japan and the USSR. According to Washington, the declaration could bring the power closer to each other as much as distance Japan from the United States. Therefore, precisely since 1956, in American diplomatic circles, the issue of the South Kuriles was unambiguously considered in favor of Tokyo, which irritated Moscow and flattered the Japanese.


Russia's military activity in the legal territory of the South Kuriles invariably arouses protests and concerns of official Tokyo. Source: Russian Ministry of Defense, mil.ru

Japan's further actions can no longer be regarded as friendly. In 1960, the Americans effectively turned the island state into their largest aircraft carrier, stuffing the country with military bases. The USSR replied to Tokyo with a so-called "memorandum", in which they indicated that in such conditions there could be no talk of concluding a peace treaty and, according to, the transfer of the islands.
Since that time, the situation has not fundamentally changed, except for the notorious "Tokyo Declaration on Russian-Japanese Relations" of October 13, 1993. This document cannot be viewed as anything other than the flirting of the young Russian leadership with the Japanese government. The declaration not only outlined the path to signing a peace treaty, but also added the islands of Iturup and Kunashir to the potentially returned islands. It is surprising how similar agreements have not yet been signed with the FRG regarding the return of the Kaliningrad region back to the Germans.

American revisionism


The West is slowly but surely moving towards revising many of the outcomes of the Second World War. First, we see an excuse or simply tacit approval of Ukrainian collaborators from the ranks of the SS, which directly contradicts the results of the Nuremberg trials. Later we hear accusations against the USSR of collusion with Hitler's Germany and joint incitement to war. And now the United States, with a seemingly imperceptible decision on the status of the natives of the South Kuriles, is trying to destroy the agreements that are more than a decade old. At one time, it was the decisions of the Yalta Conference that created the modern world in which we have been living for 75 years without world wars.


The results of the 1945 Yalta Conference laid the foundation for the modern world order in many ways. And the status of the Southern Kuriles is no exception. Source: ru.wikipedia.org

In this regard, the words of the Russian Foreign Ministry are very timely:
“Need more proof that the US is a revisionist power? By decision of 1945, the Kuril Islands were ceded to the USSR. Today, the State Department questions the results of the Second World War and encourages revanchism. Know your boundaries and red lines. "

Come back, I will forgive everything!


Japan, although it is the closest ally of the United States in the Pacific region, is gradually becoming more independent from the dictates of Washington. This is demanded by Russia and China, with whom the American relations have long been not in the best shape. Also, the close proximity to proud and warlike North Korea makes Tokyo look for its own path of development, different from the general line of the United States. Not everyone wants to be a target for a potential nuclear strike - Japan will definitely become such in case of war due to the abundance of Pentagon bases on the territory.
It is in the mainstream of this story that Tokyo's recent refusal to deploy American missile defense systems Aegis Ashore should be viewed. The official reason was to save money, but in reality the Japanese simply do not want to tease their formidable neighbors - Russia and China once again. Such a centrifugal process could not but be noticed in Washington, and the scam with the Kuril "Russian Japanese" became one of the attempts to soften Tokyo's position. However, such rash steps aimed at revising the basic agreements because of the immediate benefit may please third countries. And the "Kuril precedent" will become a completely official reason for the redistribution of the borders established in Yalta in 1945. The tougher and more consistent the position of Russia and, I would like to believe, the UN, the less there will be an attempt on historical justice. Whatever it is for some uncomfortable and shameful.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 8 December 2020 04: 20
    +10
    I think that the Kurils can easily merge, it is a matter of time, and a generation that will be indignant and rise up. and "effective managers" can sell anything. holy, nothing.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 8 December 2020 05: 07
      -13%
      What nonsense ... This is even from a military point of view, a strategic nightmare, no one will go for it. They will play with the Japanese to balance China for decades. Nourish hopes with chatter. RF does not need now Japan's enemy. And she will immediately become them as soon as they are harshly cut off. It's politics
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 8 December 2020 05: 23
        +22
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What a stupid thing.

        stupidity - to give the shelf to the legs, and Damansky to China ...
        Quote: carstorm 11
        RF does not need now Japan's enemy.

        and now, friend .. haha! you shake yourself with nonsense ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 8 December 2020 05: 34
          -8
          Not a friend. But not an enemy either. The most normal relationship. As regards Norway, there is no "territorial concession" here and cannot be, because we are talking about initially disputed territories to which the sovereignty of the Russian Federation has never extended. On Damansky and other islands on which I have been many times and which everyone drowns under the very tomatoes, you can argue for a long time whether it is right or not. One thing I know for sure. In the next 200 years no one would be doing anything there. And so the question with China is closed forever.
          1. Boris Nevzorov
            Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 13
            +23
            Residents of Alaska .... Russians! What's next....?!

            The staff members are burning as always!
            But, IMHO, we must agree with this. ))
            Residents of the Kuriles need to write a claim to the Japanese government that for decades they did not pay pensions and other social benefits. ))
            Demand compensation for non-participation in parliamentary elections.
            After receiving all the compensation, our "Japanese" should hold a referendum on self-determination on the Kosovo precedent and close the Kuril issue forever. Like this. Japan will be delighted with such help from the United States)) laughing
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 13 December 2020 10: 51
              +1
              Quote: Boris Nevzorov
              Residents of the Kuriles need to write a claim to the Japanese government that for decades they did not pay pensions and other social benefits. ))

              and then they will write such a debt for the lack of deductions to their pension funds and taxes.
        2. Boris Nevzorov
          Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 16
          +14
          The world will come to its senses when it gradually abandons American symbols, words, opinions and, in general, their spirit.
          One cannot go without Anglicism and consumerist ideology. But it is she, the ideology, that allows them such political rudeness.

          Incidentally, such a statement can be viewed as a denunciation of US interest in the Japanese-Kuril issue. Those, perhaps, would have calmed down, being sad in their Toyotas, but the United States encourages them to argue further.
          1. Smirnoff
            Smirnoff 8 December 2020 08: 33
            +24
            Quote: Boris Nevzorov
            such a statement can be seen as a denunciation of US interest in the Japanese-Kuril issue

            Moreover, this is direct interference in the internal affairs of another state. But the United States has long accustomed everyone to such behavior, and other countries do nothing about it. Or they can't.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 8 December 2020 14: 33
              +5
              Another dirty and vile provocation of the Americans against the USSR, Russia ... No, the fact that the United States is fighting for leadership in the world, of course: all countries of the world are striving to take a higher place in the world table of ranks. But methods The United States does not stand up to criticism: there seems to be no such abomination, dirty trick, vileness and meanness that the American authorities would not use for the sake of elusive world leadership! Moreover, they not only use existing reasons, but also invent fake ones, forcing vassals and puppets to voice them.
        3. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 8 December 2020 06: 38
          +16
          Here is an interesting moment ... The USA, recognizing the Kuril Islands as Japanese territory, annul the results of the conferences in Yalta and Potsdam in 1945.

          As a result of these conferences:

          Transylvania returned to Romania.
          Poland received the territories of Germany (Posen, Breslau, Danzig) and two-thirds of East Prussia.

          Slovakia lost Subcarpathian Rus.

          Korea, by the way, belonged to Japan.

          The fun begins!

          Yes, I forgot that pieces of France belonged to Germany.
          1. Avior
            Avior 8 December 2020 07: 28
            +1
            At the conference in Potsdam, the issue was decided only on Europe, it is not connected with Japan.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 8 December 2020 09: 57
              +4
              Quote: Ilya-spb
              Here is an interesting moment ... The USA, recognizing the Kuril Islands as Japanese territory, annul the results of the conferences in Yalta and Potsdam in 1945.

              As a result of these conferences:
              Transylvania returned to Romania.
              Poland received the territories of Germany (Posen, Breslau, Danzig) and two-thirds of East Prussia.
              Slovakia lost Subcarpathian Rus.
              Korea, by the way, belonged to Japan.
              Yes, I forgot that pieces of France belonged to Germany.

              good Gorgeous note!
              Just a political master class! yes
            2. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 00: 29
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              it is not connected with Japan.

              Tehran, Yalta ..
              Although the Japanese problem was discussed between the USSR and the allies immediately after Pearl Harbor.
              They wanted to use Soviet territory for bombing the Japanese islands. For bombing the metropolis from Soviet territory was easy enough. (Although logistics of supplies, etc.)
              But they refused ... there was a serious problem with Germany on the nose, Japan itself against China, the United States and its allies tied deeper and deeper. The USSR did not need problems there.
              During the Potsdam Conference, the USSR reaffirmed its commitment to declare war on Japan no later than three months after Germany's surrender.
              1. Avior
                Avior 12 December 2020 07: 36
                +2
                It's not about, but about, that the decisions of the Potsdam Conference specifically with territorial issues in Japan are not connected
        4. Dzungar
          Dzungar 8 December 2020 20: 41
          +3
          stupidity - to give the shelf to the legs, and Damansky to China ...
          Who gave Norway the shelf ..? Damansky is adhered to the Chinese coast, and world practice says that the border along the river follows its course, and there is no value in it. Everyone did the right thing that they gave him away.
          and now, friend .. haha!
          They wrote to you clearly and clearly - NOW JAPAN IS THE ENEMY ....
          1. Aag
            Aag 9 December 2020 19: 45
            +1
            "... the world practice says that the border along the river follows its channel., and there is no value in it ...."
            You are not writing from the banks of the Amur? There the ranks of the citizens of the Russian Federation have a different opinion.
            1. Dzungar
              Dzungar 12 December 2020 14: 29
              0
              There, the ranks of Russian citizens have a different opinion.
              from fools - Yes, they definitely need to get into some kind of garbage, and threaten a lot of people for some piece of land on the other side of the river.
              You are not writing from the bank of the Amur?
              China is a thousand-year-old enemy of my people who destroyed Dzungaria. So you will speak Chinese earlier from the other side of the Amur River than I ...
              1. Aag
                Aag 13 December 2020 13: 10
                0
                "... for fools - Yes, they definitely need to get into some kind of garbage ..."
                To them, to whom?
                "... China is a thousand-year enemy of my people ..." and a post above: "... NOW JAPAN IS THE ENEMY ..."
                I did not understand your position. And how does your comment relate to mine: "" ... world practice says that the border along the river follows its channel., And there is no value in it .... "
                You are not writing from the banks of the Amur? A number of Russian citizens have a different opinion. "? In which I do not agree with you that the channel has no value. As an example, the Amur riverbed. I don’t know how now, but in the 90s, and before , constant conflicts over fishing zones, economic activities, that for border guards, the local population.
                Roughly the same thing happens with maritime boundaries (shelf with minerals, biological resources, shipping, etc.). Do you disagree with that?
    2. Finches
      Finches 8 December 2020 06: 37
      +7
      No! Well, it's just imperative to rebuild a military base in Cuba ...
      1. Smirnoff
        Smirnoff 8 December 2020 08: 36
        +21
        Quote: Finches
        No! Well, it's just imperative to rebuild a military base in Cuba ...

        This is for Vladimir Vladimirovich ... We can only wish this here.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 8 December 2020 08: 53
        +6
        ..... the west is slowly moving towards revising the totals .....
        And who began to move quickly? Gorbachev, Yakovlev, others together or after them. Quickly, instantly reviewed the results of the history of the WINNING COUNTRY.
        And lies and groaning began under the guise of publicity. And that continues to this day. 35 years is actively happening. Monuments and memorials to the occupiers of different countries - is this not a revision of the results. Likewise, all kinds of White Guards.
    3. your1970
      your1970 10 December 2020 08: 05
      +2
      Quote: Aerodrome
      effective managers "can sell anything. holy, nothing.

      "Effective manager" and member of the CPSU Nikitka H. GIVE.
      Him
      Quote: Aerodrome
      holy-nothing
      did not have....
      And I would not even just give it away, but also help Japan to join the UN - as compensation for the fact that Japan would have to take those islands, yeah ... Just not on my knees ...

      So who and what would have leaked is an extremely slippery question ...
  2. tatra
    tatra 8 December 2020 04: 38
    +9
    But still I wonder why the American lackey Yeltsin, imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the enemies of the Communists, did not give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese?
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 8 December 2020 05: 23
      +12
      If Yeltsin had "leavened" less, and had more bite, then he would have given the Yap not only the islands, but Sakhalin as well!
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 8 December 2020 05: 24
      +3
      Quote: tatra
      But still I wonder why the American lackey Yeltsin, imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the enemies of the Communists, did not give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese?

      I was just not sober ...
    3. Boris Nevzorov
      Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 21
      +14
      Kuril precedent. Americans offer southern smokers to pay taxes to Japan


      By such actions, the United States provokes conflicts. And they destroy the counterweight system created after the Second World War (so that it never happens again). One of the principles was the immutability of state borders. They have already destroyed the USSR, the Balkans and the east. After the almost inevitable fall of Syria, it will be the turn of the European Union with a deep economic crisis, and this is where the tab with the Kuril Islands will work. The way out of the crisis for Europe, the United States will indicate a war with Russia, from the east, Japan will win back. An intervention similar to 1918 led by Russian liberals will be repeated. Almost everything is already ready for this, the coronavirus only pushed back the deadlines.
    4. Aag
      Aag 9 December 2020 19: 57
      0
      Quote: tatra
      But still I wonder why the American lackey Yeltsin, imposed on Russia and the Russian people by the enemies of the Communists, did not give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese?

      There were more significant eaters than Japan, and more delicious buns than the Kuril Islands ... I didn't have time ...
      More seriously)), the States were already stunned by their successes, did not know what to do with their happiness. The smaller players (including Japan) stood on the sidelines with their mouths open, not understanding what was happening (under the guise of our fish, crabs, the fleet were tying) ...
  3. Volga073
    Volga073 8 December 2020 05: 06
    +6
    Alaska and the Aleutian Islands - all Russians are there then ..
    1. riwas
      riwas 8 December 2020 05: 55
      +8
      And California too. And most importantly, their residents must pay taxes to Russia.
      1. Boris Nevzorov
        Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 24
        +13
        Almost every day, some abomination comes from the Americans in relation to Russia - the invasion of a destroyer, training bombing attacks on Crimea from the territory of Ukraine, provocations in the Black Sea region, blocking of SP-2 to Europe, endless sanctions, arrests and abductions of Russians around the world, attacks in Belarus, Moldova and the Caucasus. USA withdrew from all treaties limiting the war
        1. Nikza
          Nikza 9 December 2020 12: 11
          +1
          Well, for that pike in the river, so that the crucian does not doze :-))
      2. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 9 December 2020 18: 20
        +1
        Puerto Rico, then temporarily occupied territory of Spain. So where is the tax revenue from Puerto Ricans to the Spanish budget? laughing
  4. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 8 December 2020 05: 22
    +3
    Kuril Islands - a tasty morsel for Washington- this is the main thing! All that the Americans are doing are just means. Reasonable people understand this very well. If the results of the Second World War on the Kuril issue cause rejection from the United States, it is possible to raise many territorial claims "to light". And in Ukraine, in general, except for the administrative borders, it has nothing. In the Official.
    1. Boris Nevzorov
      Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 26
      +11
      On February 2, 1946, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree, paragraph 1 of which was determined: “To establish that since September 20, 1945, all land with its subsoil, forests and waters on the territory of the southern part of Sakhalin Island and the Kuril Islands is state property of the USSR, that is, the national property ”[1]. Of course, this was a sovereign decision of the USSR, but it was taken, obviously, not without taking into account the fact that on the eve, namely on January 29, 1946, the territorial issue was resolved (not without our insistent demand) by the Allied Directive No. 677, signed by the commander-in-chief of the occupation forces in Japan by the American General D. MacArthur, an appendix to which was a map with the designated new borders of defeated Japan [2]. (Information source - Istoriya.RF portal, https://histrf.ru/biblioteka/b/v-fievralie-1946-ghoda-v-vopr...)
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 December 2020 07: 40
        +4
        Of course, this was a sovereign decision of the USSR, but it was taken, obviously, not without taking into account the fact that on the eve, namely on January 29, 1946, the territorial issue was resolved (not without our insistent demand) by the Allied Directive No. 677, signed by the commander-in-chief of the occupation forces in Japan by American General D. MacArthur

        Allen's memorandum number 677 had nothing to do with Japan's postwar organization. This was specifically stated in paragraph 6 of the memorandum.
        6. Any part of this directive will not be interpreted as indicating Allied policy regarding the final definition (status) of the smaller islands referred to in Article 8 of the Potsdam Declaration.

        But in the 1995 Russian translation, which everyone cites, the last three points were deleted.
        here is a translation from 5 points and an original in English from 8.
        http://debri-dv.com/article/5986


        Moreover, from the text of the memorandum it follows that the 4 disputed islands are not Kuril - in the memorandum in paragraph 3 they are separately, and the Kuril - are separately indicated.
        hi
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 00: 54
      0
      Quote: Mykhalych
      And as for Ukraine, in general, except for the administrative boundaries, it has nothing. In the Official.

      Well, the Russian Federation itself with Ukraine agreed on this long ago.
      Treaty between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the Russian-Ukrainian state border
      January 28 2003 years
      ratification of the Treaty on the Russian-Ukrainian State Border and the Treaty on Cooperation in the Use of the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait on April 23, 2004.
      As well as the UN on the confirmed borders of Ukraine within the borders of 1991 at the time of the collapse of the USSR at the time of voting on the Ukrainian issue.
      Resolution of the UN General Assembly A / RES / 68/262 on the territorial integrity of Ukraine - a document adopted on March 27, 2014
  5. tatra
    tatra 8 December 2020 05: 23
    +8
    "If the Americans want to symbolically designate whose territory is, then, in this case, Satanovsky suggested, the United States itself should be treated in the same way:

    Let the natives of Louisiana pay taxes in France, California and Texas - in Mexico, Florida - in Spain, Alaska - here, and "New Yorkers" - in general in the Netherlands. Or anyone born in New England is in Britain. "
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 December 2020 05: 31
    +11
    It's bad that we have such a weak government! Otherwise, it was necessary to play the Alaska card in response, recognizing this territory as occupied by the United States, and demanding not only the return of Alaska to Russia, but also large financial compensation for the illegal use of natural resources by the United States!
    1. t-12
      t-12 9 December 2020 00: 06
      +3
      and demand not only the return of Alaska to Russia
      And if the requirement is not met, what then? Americans can impose trade sanctions against Russia, and what can Russia do to amers?
    2. Aag
      Aag 9 December 2020 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      It's bad that we have such a weak government! Otherwise, it was necessary to play the Alaska card in response, recognizing this territory as occupied by the United States, and demanding not only the return of Alaska to Russia, but also large financial compensation for the illegal use of natural resources by the United States!


      And all: Hurray! Hurray! ...
      "Power" "our" is not because it is weak that it did not, but because it could not create the prerequisites for this, namely, 1. a strong, independent economy; 2. as a result, the military, capable of solving the ENTIRE range of tasks independent power; 3. did not rally the people of the country, not a single intelligible goal, guarantees, confidence in oneself.
      And, it's silly now to jump on the checkers with a bare heel ...
      However, you have to somehow get out of it, because even if you are eaten, you have at least two choices ...))
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 December 2020 05: 45
    +4
    the natives of South Sakhalin were generously “allowed” to pay taxes to the treasury of the Russian Federation.
    Well, thank you ! Benefactor!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 December 2020 09: 02
      +2
      hi Yes, Vladimir, let ours think about different state laws before they fit in there.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 December 2020 10: 15
        +2
        Hello Dima ! hi Their laws are Akhov's, cooler than ours ...
        Something you haven't been on the site for a long time ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 December 2020 11: 20
          +2
          bully what laws ---- we now see from what is happening in the elections am
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 December 2020 11: 33
          0
          lol I wrote to you in a personal about the hardships of my life. .... laughing
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 December 2020 05: 55
    +1
    The trick is that not only idiots live in Japan. Read the comments ... Especially about Shinze Abi.
    https://inosmi.ru/politic/20201208/248695628.html
    You can ride at least like on the Maidan all over the Alabam region and Bostograd, but the Japanese perfectly cut that to them to grapple with Russia means pushing it even more towards China, and then Japan is amba. No islands are worth it. Moreover, to grapple not even in a military sense, but simply by provoking
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 8 December 2020 05: 57
    +8
    First, we see an excuse or just tacit approval of Ukrainian collaborators from the ranks of the SS
    The author forgot to point out that the Baltic collaborators from the ranks of the SS have already been acquitted, as well as closed their eyes to the existence of second-class people in the same Baltic states, the so-called "non-citizens", and in Russia they no longer remember this.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 December 2020 09: 07
      0
      hi Already in Belarus, the last collaborators with their flag, anthem and other garbage crawled out And the population of Belarus suffered from the Nazis.
  10. Boris Nevzorov
    Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 17
    +9
    Initially, it was widely believed that woodpeckers did not live long, dying from concussion. Of course, this statement was not true. Later, the point of view was expressed that in adults, the brain completely atrophies due to unnecessaryness. This has not been confirmed either. According to the latest research, the woodpecker is an extremely intelligent bird, because from the constant shaking of the head, the number of brain convolutions in it is one and a half times more than in great apes, three times more than in dolphins, twenty-five times more than in a skunk and thirty times more than that of George W. Bush.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2020 06: 18
    +4
    Today the State Department questions the results of the Second World War
    And after the State Department, its satellites, which in their majority either surrendered to Germany in the first weeks, and then their industry worked for the Germans, or in alliance with Germany fought against the USSR. The impudence, unscrupulousness and aggressive pressure of the Americans towards Russia have already reached a critical point. If we continue to confine ourselves to only expressing misunderstanding and concern, then further we will be pressed even more. Why talk and negotiate with some unrequited sheep ready to be slaughtered? Press and slaughter. Is this what we want?
  12. sleeve
    sleeve 8 December 2020 08: 37
    +4
    There are no specifics. The situation is not one year old. And what to do with it? Never mind! Do you want a green card? Move and register to Vladivostok or Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky. For this business, we do not have Mexicans across the border on foot, but rather well-to-do people. Insulting, annoying? So what? Pyotr Alekseevich, back in 17 (God forbid, memory) in 21, "otlutlivat" for 2 million Efimkov the Baltic States (the check and a copy of the check were preserved, compensation for them was not paid, no claims were presented) and someone recognized it after 1939? No. Spit on everyone and grind on the grounds. Only conjuncture. We have now recognized the legacy of the Russian Empire, paid off the debts, examined the claims. Where are our 2 million fimki? Or we are now dealing with the Swedes. So all this accordion because of the Kuril Islands for a long time, always and from the category of mutual smearing of the gate with tar (well, or one-sided). While there is "Ball" with the S-400 sovereignty, its basis is the 16th fortified. Discussion on reality is over. Now about the tar. I have already written how to "leave" for the USA for permanent residence. And then what? And then the official opinion of the Japs about tax obligations with the corresponding document. Otherwise, our fishermen will get lost, and they will be charged another million euros to the Japanese budget. And deal with the Japanese and not with the striped ones, according to the principle "the dog barks, the wind carries" and the tone of addressing "rising neighbors" from the category "are you barking the same?" It's necessary. Quickly. Urgently. In the context of private communication, so to speak, but plus a piece of paper.
    The rest is within the framework of the RF Constitution.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 01: 12
      0
      Quote: sleeve
      So what? Pyotr Alekseevich, back in 17 (God forbid, memory) in 21, "otlutlivat" for 2 million Efimk Baltic (the check and a copy of the check were preserved, compensation for them was not paid, no claims were presented) and someone recognized it after 1939? No. Spit on everyone and grind on the grounds. Only conjuncture. We have now recognized the legacy of the Russian Empire, paid off the debts, examined the claims. Where are our 2 million fims

      no checks or copies of this could be.
      Even I remember that Article 5 of the ND between Peter and Frederick 1 is rather blurred.
      “Against the same ets.v. (his royal majesty) promises in four weeks after the exchange of ratifications on this peace treatise, or before, if possible, e.c.v. (to his royal majesty) and return the crown of Sveisk, and defecate the Grand Duchy of Finland. Moreover, he wants e.ts.v. must be and promises e.c.v. the sum of two million efimks ... to pay and give for such periods and in such a coin as agreed in a separate article. "

      2 million efimks were paid not at all for Livonia and other acquired lands, but in addition to the Grand Duchy of Finland given to the Swedes
      The money was paid in full, about which in February 1727 the new Swedish king Frederick I handed over to the Russian ambassador in Stockholm, Prince Vasily Dolgorukov, a receipt for Sweden's acceptance of two million thalers (but I do not see the document yet)
      By the way, part of the Baltics was conquered from the Swedes. And all of it went after the sections of the RP.
      The fake about the purchase of the Baltics belongs to Prince Shcherbatov (who was not an eyewitness to these events). HE could not understand how much money could be paid to the vanquished for the evacuation and neutrality of Finland.
      Russia did not pay the Swedes for the conquered part of the Baltic. She paid for the evacuation from Finland. Cleansing and future foothold.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 12 December 2020 05: 16
        0
        Anyway, I agree completely. And even deeper into the details. Truth and you interpret with all the heart and with pleasure. And anyone from the outside will tell you that after reading the agreement, it is quite possible to withdraw the item on 2 million into a separate one. And voila: Baltics, Finland, 2 million. Which refers to what?
        But there, in the commentary, the meaning was that the land was acquired legally. Watered with blood, with Napoleon's money. And some loshary from overseas, thinking about themselves and disdaining gratitude for everything, you see separate themselves with the right to recognize or not part of the sovereign states. Here I am.
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 December 2020 09: 49
    +2
    In this case, American diplomats quite clearly limited the sphere of Russian jurisdiction - the natives of South Sakhalin were generously “allowed” to pay taxes to the treasury of the Russian Federation.
    This means that according to the same status, residents of Alaska and Russian America must pay taxes to the Treasury of the Russian Federation.
  14. iouris
    iouris 8 December 2020 11: 20
    -1
    Americans disapprove of constitutional amendments?
  15. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 8 December 2020 11: 41
    +5
    I had fun)))
    It turns out that I am German, because I was born in Kaliningrad))
    According to American "logic", my Novgorod roots do not matter. wassat
    It is interesting to read the opinions of colleagues from Israel on this matter)))
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 16: 32
      -4
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      my Novgorod roots do not matter

      You have no roots. After the dissolution of the USSR, you are a rolling stone.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 8 December 2020 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        my Novgorod roots do not matter

        You have no roots. After the dissolution of the USSR, you are a rolling stone.

        Controversial thesis))
        My ancestors, and my personal identity, has not been canceled
  16. Alexfly
    Alexfly 8 December 2020 12: 02
    +2
    Shouldn't the Yankees be obliged to pay Alaska VAT in the Russian Federation? All the same, a disputed territory ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 16: 33
      0
      Alaska is recognized by the United States as a territory of the United States.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 9 December 2020 10: 19
        +2
        And we recognize ours, it means the tax to our budget. Are we "theirs" logic taught to follow?
  17. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 8 December 2020 15: 15
    +3
    Even if someone from the Kuril residents left for the USA or Japan, the author can tell why they did it?
    What motivates a person, what is it so annoying to leave his homeland?
    1. t-12
      t-12 9 December 2020 00: 31
      -1
      Well, why do they usually leave their homeland? Looking for a better life. Moreover, the Far East is a very poor and depressed region. All sorts of AUE or rallies in Khabarovsk - they did not come from scratch.
  18. Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 8 December 2020 15: 46
    0
    Apparently the American hooligans went their separate ways. Always remaining in the shadows, they started two World Wars. Now there is no one to hide behind. I had to climb into the leaders of world domination. Rodchenkov's law is an example of this. The exclusivity of sga is already tiresome. It is a pity that millions will die again when they are put in a corner.
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 16: 41
      -2
      Guys, you do not understand. You lost the third.
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 December 2020 20: 57
        0
        Quote: iouris
        Guys, you do not understand. You lost the third.

        Can be more?
  19. Jünger
    Jünger 8 December 2020 17: 09
    +1
    In 2018, about 22 thousand Japanese people took part in the drawing of a green card for long-term residence in the United States. At the same time, over the same year, Russia received an order of magnitude more similar requests - 290 thousand

    Here is the main problem in this. If their own citizens "love" the Motherland so much, then maybe they don't need the Kuriles either?
  20. NF68
    NF68 8 December 2020 17: 26
    +1
    In this case, residents of Alaska can also pay taxes to the Russian Federation.
  21. Nikolay Vladimirovich
    Nikolay Vladimirovich 8 December 2020 21: 16
    +3
    We must offer the Aleutian to obtain Russian passports.
  22. Ilya Rysenkov
    Ilya Rysenkov 8 December 2020 23: 36
    +2
    Then let the Americans pay (and pay) taxes to us for the population of Alaska. Very smart!
  23. Sly Fox_2
    Sly Fox_2 9 December 2020 04: 44
    +1
    Then let Alaska pay taxes to us.
  24. Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 December 2020 15: 11
    +1
    Upon obtaining US citizenship, a person takes the oath of the United States without fail, vows to defend the United States and the interests of the United States with arms in hand, including from his historical homeland. The Russian Federation should not worry about the problems of dissidents who are going to fight on the side of the USA against the Russian Federation! In addition, it is high time for the government of the Russian Federation to clear it of persons with foreign citizenship. You cannot serve two gods.
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 December 2020 18: 16
    -1
    Exactly, and the residents of Alaska and California are recognized as residents of Russia and also pay taxes to Russia. I am personally for. good lol
  26. Alexander Morgutov
    Alexander Morgutov 9 December 2020 20: 30
    0
    The world is so arranged and nothing can be done about it, the founding fathers of Omerica, the descendants of the most desperate adventurers and thugs of the old world, managed to enslave half the world in their blood, no principles, no morality, no conscience ... they have god-money, Russia for they will always be the enemy ... therefore on the islands it is urgently necessary to put bases of bases and bases and more missiles ...
  27. Vladimir Goncharov
    Vladimir Goncharov 9 December 2020 23: 27
    0
    I am a little more than completely sure that the whole story is an anti-American fake.

    First, neither under Japanese nor under Russian law taxes in any way depend on citizenship. Taxes are paid at the place of income - and at the place of residence, but not "at the place of citizenship." That is: a Russian who lives and works outside of Russia does not have to pay a dime in taxes to the Russian budget; and a Japanese person who lives and works outside of Japan does not have to pay a dime in taxes to the Japanese budget. Therefore, when someone comes to live and work in America - it does not matter at all whether the Americans consider him Russian or Japanese - he will pay taxes only in America.

    Secondly, there is no nationality column in American visa applications. There is a column "citizenship" - and it is filled out not according to the place of birth - but according to the passport. That is: a Russian who was born for example in Tokyo is a Russian; and the Japanese who was born in Moscow is the Japanese. And it doesn't matter what the Americans think about the Kuril Islands. The questionnaire must correspond to the passport. To write "Japanese" in the form, you must show your Japanese passport.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 01: 27
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Goncharov
      I am a little more than completely sure that the whole story is an anti-American fake.

      the original source of all discussion
      This was reported by the Hokkaido Shimbun newspaper with reference to the rules for holding green cards, published on the website of the American Foreign Ministry.

      “Persons born on the islands of Habomai, Shikotan, Kunashir and Iturup belong to Japan. Persons born in South Sakhalin belong to Russia, ”reads the instructions for the contestants of the Diversity Visa immigration program.
      and now we read it too, but in RIA Novosti (watch your hands)
      These rules state that people born on the islands of Habomai, Shikotan, Kunashir and Iturup "pay taxes in Japan." Individuals born in South Sakhalin are taxed in Russia, RIA Novosti reported.

      the question of taxes is already addressed to RIA Novosti.
      The Japanese edition of Hokkaido Shimbun reports that the requirement for citizens born in the South Kuril Islands to indicate Japan as their country of origin appeared in the US green card draw rules in 2018.
      That is, the United States insists on indicating the country of origin according to the Japanese version. By the way, the Japanese answered very interestingly
      “Yes, we know about this US visa program, including its provisions regarding the four northern islands, which are subject to the sovereignty of our country,” the Japanese Foreign Ministry told me with extreme restraint. "But our country is not in the position to comment on such a question."

      According to the rules for applying for a Green Card
      In this case, in the application for participation in the lottery, it is necessary, among other things, to indicate where you are from, from which country.
      A question for connoisseurs of Green Card - is it possible to indicate the country of Japan with a Russian passport, or they will figure it out themselves. In a foreign passport there is a graph-place of birth (even the country is indicated)
      And second, there are only 7 thousand and many military and civil servants live there. There will be very few people willing to receive a green card from them.
      1. Vladimir Goncharov
        Vladimir Goncharov 17 January 2021 20: 43
        0
        Well, you see - everything has cleared up))) About Japanese taxes (as I said) - fake, about the fact that these Russians are considered Japanese, that is, citizens of Japan (as I said) - fake ... The mountain gave birth to a mouse: it turns out it is only necessary to point out that the island on which such applicants swarmed is Japanese. Which of course is not true - but does not in any way affect the personal status of the applicant.
  28. steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 December 2020 09: 42
    0
    Those who do not believe that the current government can sell the Kuril Islands. Answer a simple question: "Why did Putin raise the question of the Kuriles at all? And why do we need this peace treaty with Japan?" I believe that if the public had not risen, the Kurils would have been sold.
  29. Mmm.
    Mmm. 11 December 2020 00: 07
    0
    It's amazing how people with wonderful faces have not yet given up their smokers? Part of our waters was given to Norway (Mr. Medvedev), to China - Damansky. Maybe something else that we don't know about. And how not to give it away - let's give it back ...
  30. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 12 December 2020 02: 10
    0
    Some kind of Jew-masquerade crying, suddenly I can't get out in time with the stolen
  31. sakh64
    sakh64 12 December 2020 16: 51
    0
    On the one hand, the material seems to be correct, but on the other, it is completely stupid, indicating that the author is completely out of topic. "Yuzhno-Kuriltsy" - who is this? The Kurilians were called the Ainu in the 18th century. There are no Ains on the Kuril Islands and after the Japanese are not. For more than 75 years, residents of the Russian Kurils (Sakhalin Oblast) have been called Kuril residents. South Kuriles, this is generally not in Russian.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 December 2020 18: 36
    0
    It's time for Alaska to return the lease is long over. San Francisco to return the original name to Fort Ross.
  33. alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 13 December 2020 10: 55
    0
    UN, amerikosov gasket, there is nothing to hope for.