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Leader of the Democratic Party of Armenia: Pashinyan did not give Russia a chance to intervene in the conflict, although Russia was sending signals

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Armenia calls on the head of government to resign voluntarily. Such calls come from various politicians, including the heads of parliamentary parties.


Today, the head of the Democratic Party, Aram Sargsyan, said that it is time for Pashinyan to leave his post. According to Aram Sargsyan, Pashinyan should leave the prime minister's post, as "he is a political impotent, a doll."

Sargsyan stated that Nikol Pashinyan did not make any decisions of his own within the framework of the trilateral agreement on Artsakh (the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic).

Leader of the Armenian Democratic Party:

All decisions were made for Pashinyan by Russian President Vladimir Putin. It turns out that we have a puppet in the post of prime minister who wants to continue to be at the helm of the country, but which itself is not capable of making important decisions.

According to A. Sargsyan, Pashinyan did not give Russia a chance to directly intervene in the conflict, although "Russia sent signals and several times said that foreign mercenaries and terrorists were deployed to the region."

Sargsyan:

SVR director Sergei Naryshkin spoke directly about foreign fighters. This topic was also raised by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Russia sent signals that Armenia had to react. Armenia was supposed to officially request help from Russia, but this was not done.

According to the head of the DPA, this "testifies to the conspiracy that Pashinyan arranged and which led to defeat."

According to Aram Sargsyan, Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."

Sargsyan:

Note that he does not dispute a single point. At least I tried to change some comma.
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  1. The black
    The black 7 December 2020 17: 09
    +15
    Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."

    What for? Kolenka exactly fulfilled the desire of the Soros owners ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 7 December 2020 17: 17
      +10
      Pashinyan in power in Armenia, after the surrender of Karabakh, now categorically does not suit everyone at all. And the opposition, and even the closest comrades-in-arms, who are trying to quickly distance themselves from the "sintered" politician, in the hope of remaining in the political process of the republic in the future. The connection with Pashinyan is compromising.

      In general, hot days are still waiting for Armenia ...
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 7 December 2020 17: 26
        -6
        the goal - to subjugate Armenia - will be achieved. not by sows, so by others.
        will be torn away from Russia.
        the price of the issue is higher than the capabilities of the Russian Federation.
        and "one people in Ukraine" was separated.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 7 December 2020 17: 35
          +5
          Armenia was supposed to officially request help from Russia, but this was not done
          This person says some strange things. It was the same:

          “Taking into account the facts of encroachment on the territory of the Republic of Armenia when approaching the border of the Republic of Armenia, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia appealed to the President of the Russian Federation with a request to start immediate consultations to determine what type of assistance the Russian Federation could provide to the Republic of Armenia,” the message.

          In the letter, Pashinyan refers to the 1997 agreement on allied relations between Russia and Armenia, as well as Art. 2 Agreement on Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance dated August 29, 2006.
        2. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 7 December 2020 19: 08
          +8
          Not smart enough)) for Armenians it's like a sentence laughingRemove the gold chain and rings, shave your chest, demote to editor of the "Sausages of Armenia" newspaper
          1. Boris Nevzorov
            Boris Nevzorov 8 December 2020 06: 52
            +4
            Leader of the Democratic Party of Armenia: Pashinyan did not give Russia a chance to intervene in the conflict, although Russia was sending signals


            As you lend a helping hand, don't forget to dodge the kick of gratitude. Experience shows that you won't be in time.
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 8 December 2020 01: 05
          -2
          Quote: antivirus
          the goal - to subjugate Armenia - will be achieved. not by sows, so by others.
          will be torn away from Russia.

          In my opinion, back in the late 80s (with a break for earthquakes), the Dashnaks tore the Armenian SSR from the Union ...
          The coming to power of nationalists always leads to the loss of territories, the example of Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, FRY is evident ...
          Pashinyan's coming to power in Armenia, with the support of the liberal "anti-legacy" and the youth of Armenia, played into the hands of the United States, which will reduce the influence of the Russian Federation now in Armenia, as well as Turkey, whose influence in the Caucasus has increased ...
          The losers are Iran, whose border with Azerbaijan has become larger, and with Armenia less (with the emergence of the Turkish WB in Nakhichevan, the threat of Iran will only increase, to the delight of Israeli Jews) and the Russian Federation, whose political, economic and military positions in Armenia are decreasing ... Russians are not will be called occupiers, they will now be called traitors, which will call into question the expediency of finding our 102nd military base in Armenia ...
          The opposition of Armenia is already nominating its single nationalist candidate, who will blame the loss of the Armenians in the last war for the NKR, anyone, even a bald devil, but not Armenians ...
          By removing our border guards from Armenia, they, for example, will deprive the Russian Federation of "trump cards" in front of Azerbaijan (which the border guards of the RF FSB guaranteed passage through Armenia from Nakhichevan to the rest of Azerbaijan), thereby weakening the position of the "MS" of the Russian Federation in the NKR in the Lachin corridor area, Azerbaijan for its control by the Armenians ...
          The Russian Federation has less than 5 years to make an inventory of all economic, political and military relations with Armenia, based on the results of which, to decide for itself how much the Russian Federation needs Armenia, which is not a pro-Russian state for two years already ...
        4. Machito
          Machito 11 December 2020 14: 02
          +1
          Quote: antivirus
          the goal - to subjugate Armenia - will be achieved. not by sows, so by others.
          will be torn away from Russia.
          the price of the issue is higher than the capabilities of the Russian Federation.
          and "one people in Ukraine" was separated.

          Russian peacekeepers tore up all the plans of the West in the Transcaucasus. The KGB man Putin again outplayed everyone: today there are Russian military bases in all the Transcaucasian republics.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 December 2020 22: 20
        -9
        Quote: Insurgent
        Pashinyan in power in Armenia, after the surrender of Karabakh, now categorically does not suit everyone at all. And the opposition, and even the closest comrades-in-arms, who are trying to quickly distance themselves from the "sintered" politician, in the hope of remaining in the political process of the republic in the future. The connection with Pashinyan is compromising.

        In general, hot days are still waiting for Armenia ...

        Didn't you sing the songs in support of the Armenians "We are going to" nkao ". Well, did you? lol Did you visit the girls? The motors roared? ... And .... And nothing. Now, having pierced his eyes all the same, Pashinyan noticed in the enemies. Well, this is normal. Did you count the cut-off heads? Who cut it off more. Armenians or Azerbaijanis? Get Russian citizenship. My advice to you: this is the only guarantee of your and Donbass's safety. And also you will start looking at what is happening as a Russian. And DO NOT call to the slaughterhouse unnecessary to go. Especially if this song is the end of the 80s. And it has nothing to do with you personally. And your difficulties in obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation are farce and feigned. There would be a desire ...
        1. Stasi
          Stasi 8 December 2020 03: 21
          +2
          Quote: Observer2014
          "We are going to" nkao ". Well, went? Successful?

          Perhaps this is how to judge. The Armenians, under the leadership of Nikol, “went” to NKAO, to put it mildly, unsuccessfully, but for us the situation was relatively normal.
          We are now represented as a force directly in Karabakh, a place that is sensitive for the region and the entire Transcaucasus. True, at the cost of the defeat of Armenia led by the Soros, but this is only the fault of the republic itself. In this, Russia is pure before God and people.
          Quote: Observer2014
          Didn't you sing songs in support of Armenians


          Speak a song in support of Armenians ? What's bad about it ? Not in support of Pashinyan ...

          And actually, in general, in that situation, only an abnormal could wish for Armenia's defeat in the NKAO.
    2. credo
      credo 7 December 2020 17: 22
      +8
      Quote: Black
      Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."

      What for? Kolenka exactly fulfilled the desire of the Soros owners ...

      The former companions are pressing Pashinyan because they realized that he is no longer their master. The squabble over his chair turns into a fuss on a dung heap.
      At the same time, even now, when help is needed for the victims and refugees, Armenian politicians tell some tales and fly in the clouds, presenting the situation in November 2020 in such a way that it was not an agreement to end the war that was signed by three parties, from which the Armenians left with losses. and on the collective farm market they traded at the price of buying and selling eggplant.
      1. The black
        The black 7 December 2020 17: 24
        +2
        Pashinyan's former fellow travelers are pressing
        Yes, I agree. ...., This demand of the "opposition" is an excellent example of the fairness of the judgment: "more dangerous than the enemy." And with the initiative - it's even worse ... and here even not with the initiative - a traitor.
      2. Avior
        Avior 7 December 2020 18: 00
        +5
        Yes, no matter how Sargsyan is no fellow traveler
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 7 December 2020 22: 34
        -5
        credo
        The former companions are pressing Pashinyan because they realized that he is no longer their master.
        I don't care who is in power in Armenia now. We got what we wanted. We achieved our goal. Personally, Pashinyan did nothing wrong for me. Let it remain. These are internal problems or issues of Armenia. All hi
    3. 210ox
      210ox 7 December 2020 17: 34
      +6
      Finally, would anyone give this little guy a one-round pistol? Or will help.
      1. The black
        The black 7 December 2020 17: 35
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        Finally, would anyone give this little guy a one-round pistol? ...

        It would be nice, but only the little guy has no honor ...
        Or will help.
        this option is more acceptable ..... by the way, it can end badly .... for the west, he is also a waste material ... "the Moor did his job" ... the Moor can be scrapped ...
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 7 December 2020 20: 40
          0
          It seems to me that the Moor, on the contrary, did not do it. The war was probably long thought over, but he took it and lost. Yes, and launched the Russians.
    4. stalki
      stalki 7 December 2020 19: 06
      0
      What for? Kolenka exactly fulfilled the desire of the Soros owners ...
      Exactly. And at the same time no one takes to the streets and announces an ultimatum to him. How he did it. There is no one to centrally say "get out of here", unlike the soros. Here is a good example of managed and unmanaged. Tugova is there with self-determination. I hope the Armenians understand that it's time to take everything into their own hands. And no one will pay them for it.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 8 December 2020 01: 14
        -1
        [quote = stalki] [quote] nobody takes to the streets and gives him an ultimatum. How he did it. There is no one to centrally say "get out of here", unlike the soros. Here is a good example of managed and unmanaged. Tugova is there with self-determination. I hope the Armenians understand that it's time to take everything into their own hands. And no one will pay them for it. [/ Quote]
        It's one thing to call Russians invaders and burn Russian flags, knowing the spinelessness of our Russian Foreign Ministry with an Armenian at its head, it's another thing to rage against the man appointed by Soros in power in Armenia ...
    5. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky 7 December 2020 19: 40
      +4
      I am afraid with such conversations Armenia will disappear altogether from the face of the earth. All the same, everyone is already accustomed to the Armenian culture. But for me the outcome of Armenia was already clear before the war. There is nothing to cling to to help even. So it seems that they definitely want to lower it. Pashinyan either smokes something or drains the country. Everything that happened is purely on his conscience. It seems that the boy from the farm
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        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 7 December 2020 21: 13
          +1
          I'm talking about the territory, not the people. Once it was a great nation and probably remained, but as a people already. It reminds me of something in other people. But to be honest, I feel sorry for people. Somehow you need to understand and put up.
      2. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 7 December 2020 20: 50
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
        Pashinyan either smokes something or drains the country. Everything that happened is purely on his conscience. It seems that the boy from the farm

        Are you hinting at skakuas "shooting themselves in the foot"? repeat
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 7 December 2020 21: 14
          +2
          Yes, there is some influence here.
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 7 December 2020 17: 09
    +1
    So diligently they want to change the awl for soap.
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 7 December 2020 17: 12
    +5
    At least I tried to change some comma.

    Yes, Pashinyan himself is a comma, but what a demand from a punctuation mark. bully
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 7 December 2020 17: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Yes, Pashinyan himself is a comma, but what a demand from a punctuation mark.

      That's why he slouches like "comma".
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 December 2020 17: 32
        +2
        Worries bent, does not know how to get out of the same ... hole, where he climbed. laughing
    2. Clear
      Clear 7 December 2020 20: 49
      +2
      Quote: Sea Cat
      At least I tried to change some comma.

      Yes, Pashinyan himself is a comma, but what a demand from a punctuation mark. bully

      Moreover, since 2007, they have repeatedly picked "commas" in all versions of the Madrid principles. And, in June 2011, they put a bold "comma" without agreeing on the text of the Kazan Treaty on the surrender of territories to Azerbaijan.
    3. Sea breeze
      Sea breeze 7 December 2020 22: 17
      +2
      If you are familiar, he has already tried to put a point. "Karabakh is Armenia, period." )))
      1. Sea breeze
        Sea breeze 7 December 2020 22: 22
        0
        * Karabakh is Azerbaijan and the exclamation mark * I.G. Aliev
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 7 December 2020 22: 23
        +2
        Well, as usual, instead of a full stop I put a squiggle - "Karabakh is Armenia, if ... etc."
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 December 2020 17: 13
    +6
    It is no longer interesting how they are waving their fists after the fight and what they are throwing at whom. And I wonder what kind of building materials did the Russian Federation rush to import there for restoration? Let Armenia strain its bazaar warriors to help the homeland.
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 7 December 2020 17: 15
    +1
    After the fight, they don't wave their fists, our dear Armenian friends .......
    1. DAQ
      DAQ 7 December 2020 18: 57
      +2
      After the fight, fists do not wave

      Are they "waving their fists"?
      In my opinion, you do not quite know exactly the meaning of this expression.

      They are engaged in internal political showdowns.

      If there is a defeat in the war and an unprofitable agreement was signed, there were reasons for that. And they must find and eliminate these reasons, including defense and political ones.

      Let them deal with their problems, problems need to be solved, not hushed up.
      It will be worse if everything is left as it is.
  6. Altona
    Altona 7 December 2020 17: 17
    +1
    Kolyan surrendered the national interests of Armenia in his best form by his inaction, although he had plenty of reasons and time to intervene in the conflict.
    1. Clear
      Clear 7 December 2020 20: 56
      0
      Quote: Altona
      surrendered the national interests of Armenia by his inaction,

      The actions they had, with their president, were to run a race and ask for help from the EU and NATO.
  7. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 17: 18
    +4
    If my memory serves me, all Maidan leaders, without exception, are jumping under the slogan "The tyrant grabbed the power with his twisted blue fingers, but I'm not like that, I will leave at the first demand of the people!" And the rank and file of the Maidan always ride under the slogan "If something goes wrong, we will demolish these too!" Well, ok, as usual, for all the good versus all the bad. In fact, it suddenly turns out that both those and others lied. The first by nature, the second by stupidity. After all, the Maidan leaders, having seized power, which in a real democracy they would not have seen as their own ears, from the very first day they begin to dig in there, as in trenches. Not for that grandfather Soros gave money for the Maidan, so that the guys and girls from his nest would lose power, barely screwing up. It remains to wait a little, and we will see a much more massive race from the Pashinyan faction. Unless, of course, the "people's leader" dares to use force to retain power. That is, a military coup. But its popularity in the Armenian army is such that it is unlikely, and the office sorosyatnik as a power resource is a sad sight. laughing
  8. Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 December 2020 17: 19
    +3
    ... must leave the prime minister's post, as "he is a political impotent, a doll."

    It was necessary to lose the war, interrupt two thousand and cripple tens of thousands of lives to understand this ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 7 December 2020 20: 57
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      ... must leave the prime minister's post, as "he is a political impotent, a doll."

      It was necessary to lose the war, interrupt two thousand and cripple tens of thousands of lives to understand this ...

      And where and when did they talk about something else?
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 17: 20
    +4
    What nasty friends we have, but no others. And we don't print money, No.From myself I will add, privates (rams) always die in a ditch, in any case! laughing
    1. Altona
      Altona 7 December 2020 17: 34
      +7
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      What disgusting friends we have

      -----------------------------
      Everything that represents the authorities in the post-Soviet space can hardly be called friends. There, either the leaders of the Soviet nomenklatura with the slogan "The USSR made galoshes", or the New Democratic shiz with the slogan "The West will help us." Both are concerned only with their place at the budget trough. And by the way, they all have the same attitude to power: "I will not rewrite the Constitution for myself," "I will leave after the adoption of the new Constitution," "I am ready to obey the demand of the people." But in the end it means "don't you drag me off the throne."
  10. maxim k.
    maxim k. 7 December 2020 17: 20
    +2
    Are there leaders in the post-Soviet space that are not "dolls"?
    1. Clear
      Clear 7 December 2020 20: 58
      +3
      Quote: maxim k.
      Are there leaders in the post-Soviet space that are not "dolls"?

      There are multi-vector and self-confident dolls.
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 17: 22
    +1
    Maybe from a geopolitical point of view, it was necessary to save the nosy, but in fairness, let them kill themselves to the last, there is no sense from them, except for non-brotherly crap. Those who remained would have crawled all the same with cries: "save and save laughing
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 17: 28
    +10
    I like Aliev humanly. You can see a person who has set a goal, works hard and is happy with success. Pashinyan is a typical half-leaf. Whenever a working pragmatist and a Facebook populist collide, the pragmatist always wins.
    1. The black
      The black 7 December 2020 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Pashinyan is a typical half-leaf.

      populist and populist
  13. NF68
    NF68 7 December 2020 17: 30
    0
    Is it strong Russia needs to thoroughly intervene in other people's showdown?
    1. Clear
      Clear 7 December 2020 20: 59
      +4
      Quote: NF68
      Is it strong Russia needs to thoroughly intervene in other people's showdown?

      Not much, but necessary. That would not be cheeky next.
      1. NF68
        NF68 8 December 2020 17: 22
        +1
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: NF68
        Is it strong Russia needs to thoroughly intervene in other people's showdown?

        Not much, but necessary. That would not be cheeky next.


        That is why Russia tried to calm this matter down, but at the same time it did not fight with anyone.
        1. Clear
          Clear 8 December 2020 19: 08
          +5
          Quote: NF68
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: NF68
          Is it strong Russia needs to thoroughly intervene in other people's showdown?

          Not much, but necessary. That would not be cheeky next.


          That is why Russia tried to calm this matter down, but at the same time it did not fight with anyone.

          Although they tried to drag her into a fight.
          1. NF68
            NF68 10 December 2020 19: 10
            +1
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: NF68
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: NF68
            Is it strong Russia needs to thoroughly intervene in other people's showdown?

            Not much, but necessary. That would not be cheeky next.


            That is why Russia tried to calm this matter down, but at the same time it did not fight with anyone.

            Although they tried to drag her into a fight.


            How could it be without it.
  14. Avior
    Avior 7 December 2020 17: 44
    +1
    At first, Pashinyan was accused in Armenia of surrendering Karabakh, but he had to fight to the last
    Now Pashinyan in Armenia is accused of not surrendering Karabakh and wanted to fight to the last
    Interestingly, it is the same people who accuse him, from the same clan that ruled Armenia for many years?
    Sargsyan is a former prime minister of Armenia, he is also the brother of another former prime minister of Armenia. Working dynasty .....
    1. Dimon71
      Dimon71 7 December 2020 17: 55
      +1
      I wonder who in Armenia accuses Pashik that he wanted to surrender Karabakh and fought to the last? Can you name the factions or surnames?
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 December 2020 18: 03
        +1
        Have you read the article above? It turns out that Putin made the decision on an agreement with Azerbaijan for him.
  15. HAM
    HAM 7 December 2020 17: 58
    +2
    You should never get into Armenian showdowns, in any case you will be guilty ...
  16. A good one
    A good one 7 December 2020 18: 05
    +2
    Time to collect stones, rockfall is provided for many. yes
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  17. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 18: 14
    0
    Armenians, got off and can not calm down.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 December 2020 18: 57
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Armenians, got off and can not calm down.

      Yes, they got off easy! Now it's time to drive Pashinyan and cut the US Embassy 20 times!
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 20: 22
        0
        If the reduction of the embassy could return Karabakh ... It's too late to rush about.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 December 2020 18: 25
    0
    Perhaps it's time for Pashinyan to dump, he just screwed up, and decent people shoot themselves in such cases. But we are not barbarians, dump and let him go by.
  19. north 2
    north 2 7 December 2020 19: 09
    0
    exactly where the song is put, very often there is the meaning of the content of the text. So what what, ah
    no one there at his discretion to put on songs to Pashanyan and did not think to allow. That's where Pashinyan is
    Would put the song in the text TO Fight WE CAN'T STOP! ???
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2020 19: 16
    +1
    According to Aram Sargsyan, Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."
    ... Before you had to bargain ...
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 7 December 2020 21: 03
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."
      ... Before you had to bargain ...

      ".. We are warriors, not traders !! We risked our lives. We are entitled to compensation!
      ... So, after all, traders, since you are bargaining !! "(c) The fifth element.
  21. iouris
    iouris 7 December 2020 19: 22
    0
    Here is another confirmation of the thesis that Aliyev and Pashinyan are led from one center for making geopolitical decisions.
    This Armenia has broken down. Let's get another one!
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 December 2020 19: 38
    -1
    Quote: Black
    What for? Kolenka exactly fulfilled the desire of the Soros owners ...

    Kolya was forwarded, who is next, Maria or Sveta?
  23. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 December 2020 19: 47
    +1
    The Armenians are completely finished, the Russians saved them from national shame, they show off. fool
  24. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 December 2020 19: 51
    +5
    Pashinyan's resignation to Russia is now not profitable, it is not for nothing that the GDP morally supports him through the media, Pashinyan was taught a good lesson, he is now obedient, but his resignation could lead to power in Armenia uncontrollable nationalists or a war party, which we absolutely do not need now, with taking into account the consolidation of our peacekeepers on the territory of Azerbaijan
  25. karima
    karima 7 December 2020 20: 02
    -1
    According to Aram Sargsyan, Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."
    Yes, that is, bad because it trades poorly. And do not understand what happens like this, "take take, tomorrow it will be more expensive."
  26. flicker
    flicker 7 December 2020 20: 16
    +2
    According to Aram Sargsyan, Prime Minister Pashinyan "did not even bargain to get the best conditions for Artsakh and Armenia."
    So Azerbaijanis are more skillful "traders".
    ---
    What weighty reasons did he have for trading?
    At the beginning of the war, any compromise would be perceived by the people (the Armenian people!) As a betrayal of their interests.
    And at the end of the war, there was already nothing to trade.
    And then everyone perceived the peace agreement as a betrayal.
    ---
    Another thing is that the very scale of Pashinyan's personality did not match the post of Prime Minister of Armenia, this "scale of personality" did not allow him to make an unpopular decision - to make concessions at the beginning of the war and thereby avoid more serious losses (human, territorial and political).
    ---
    Those. only a large political figure could afford to make concessions to Azerbaijan at the beginning of the war - again, but this is not Pashinyan (by the way, neither Kocharyan nor Sargsyan dared to do this either - although much more famous figures in Armenian politics)
    ---
    The next question is: who brought him to power?
    Is it not the Armenian people?
    ---
    Maybe the Armenian people will also take responsibility for what happened?
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  28. Hello from Baku
    Hello from Baku 7 December 2020 22: 13
    +2
    Quote: flicker
    Those. only a large political figure could afford to make concessions to Azerbaijan at the beginning of the war - again, but this is not Pashinyan (by the way, neither Kocharyan nor Sargsyan dared to do this either - although much more famous figures in Armenian politics)
    ---
    The next question is: who brought him to power?
    Is it not the Armenian people?
    ---
    Maybe the Armenian people will also take responsibility for what happened?

    The most adequate comment on this topic in the last two months.
  29. bar
    bar 7 December 2020 23: 00
    +1
    Pashinyan did not give Russia a chance to intervene in the conflict

    And he did well. Russia still lacked to get involved in this fornicator.
  30. noxange
    noxange 7 December 2020 23: 10
    +2
    So he tried to bargain from the first days of the war .. he insisted so many commas that instead of the regions around Karabakh, Azerbaijan took away most of the NKAO by the war. A little more and the rest would be lost. This reached Pashinyan (Pashaev, as he is now called in Armenia) in the end, it seems to the rest of the "politicians" not to the end. Of course they would have done everything differently. Most interestingly, none of them say what exactly they would have done differently. Disgusting dance on bones ...

    Today, by the way, an entry has surfaced in Armenian telegram channels, where Lukashenko tells Serzh Sargsyan that Aliyev is offering 5 billion to peacefully withdraw troops from the occupied regions and bring in peacekeepers to ensure the security of the Armenians of Karabakh. To which Serge replies: "Yes, I myself will give him 6 billion so that he abandon these territories. We did not just put 5 thousand soldiers in the 90s to return these lands now." Where did he get 6 billion, history is silent, this for a second more than half of the country's annual budget.

    As a result, after a few years, the land was taken and 5 billion was not given, and several thousand more soldiers were laid. These guys are such traders.
  31. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 7 December 2020 23: 56
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    Quote: Altona
    Kolyan surrendered the national interests of Armenia in his best form by his inaction, although he had plenty of reasons and time to intervene in the conflict.

    He couldn't even if he wanted to. He is a victim of an ochlocratic society, where all political decisions are dictated by a raging street crowd. The Armenian society itself would not let him do it. They are now pretending that everything could be stopped. Although everyone forgot that already at the end of September (at the very beginning of the war) Pashinyan (quite possibly demagogically, knowing what the answer would be) pathetically asked his public, asking his parliament a direct question that he could stop this RIGHT NOW (the war, available in mind). Naturally, having fulfilled Azerbaijan's demand to surrender the regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh (and for some reason Pashinyan spoke not even about 7, but about 5 (!) Regions. To which he received a categorical refusal from the entire parliament. Greed ruined them. They enthusiastically drew maps on which they added all (!) the occupied regions of Azerbaijan to their beloved ones and came up with outlandish and in my humble opinion (I do not impose it on anyone) verbally unpronounceable archaic Armenian names)
    Now the same crowd of Pashinyan accuses that they did not agree on a peace treaty in time) What they wanted and got request N. Pashinyan fulfilled the socio-political order of his own people and the Armenian socio-political elite, who were absolutely not inclined to the slightest compromise with Azerbaijan. They were deceived by their own hysterical propaganda, which painted a picture of their greatness, invincibility and already the impossibility of Azerbaijan returning its occupied lands by military means. The return from dreams to reality is always accompanied by shock and a search for the guilty.
    1. Altona
      Altona 8 December 2020 10: 36
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      Quote: Scorpio05
      He couldn't even if he wanted to. He is a victim of an ochlocratic society, where all political decisions are dictated by a raging street crowd.

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      He could intervene in the process, because there are still half-dead mechanisms of the CIS and CSTO. In the UN, he could get through to Macron, after all, not by washing so by rolling. Another question, apparently so wanted. About the "victim of the ochlocratic society." I remember one "victim" among us, no ochlocracy prevented the shooting of the White House in 1993.
    2. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 16: 55
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      Quote: Scorpio05
      They were deceived by their own hysterical propaganda, which painted a picture of their greatness, invincibility

      This is true everywhere.
  32. Left shot
    Left shot 8 December 2020 02: 47
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    The RF, or rather the Kremlin Gauleiters, did not send any signals. Pu crap out of the anti-corruption wave in Armenia, on which Pashinyan came to power, and out of his habit of a cowardly vengeful dwarf - punished those who encroached on "sacred".
  33. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 8 December 2020 03: 55
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    ..... "Pay attention, he does not dispute a single point. At least he tried to change some comma" - there was nobody, became nothing !!! The bottom line of all populist politicians ..