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China's Sohu said that Ukraine would like to become a nuclear power

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China's Sohu said that Ukraine would like to become a nuclear power

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev inherited a huge amount of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, including 1240 nuclear warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and a host of strategic bombers. Ukraine could not afford so much military power, including because of the high costs of its maintenance.


The Chinese edition of Sohu said that now Ukraine would again like to become a nuclear power.

The weapons Kiev chose to destroy or sell to Russia turned Ukraine into a non-nuclear state relying on the support of the West and international organizations.

When Kiev signed the Budapest Treaty, the Russian Federation and other countries promised to ensure its security. At the same time, no one expected that Ukraine would finally spoil relations with one of the main guarantors of its immunity - with Moscow. And that in 2014 Crimea will be forced to turn to Russia for help, and then become one of its subjects. And Moscow also provided support to the Donbass republics, which did not recognize the illegal armed coup in Kiev and declared their independence.

Immediately after that, Ukraine remembered its former "nuclear power", which, in the opinion of some "hotheads" in this country, could ensure its security and prosperity. Sohu notes that the Ukrainian military industry continues to develop the production of ballistic and cruise missiles, and, according to the media resource, "Kiev is capable of reviving nuclear weapons even with the current level of technical development." It is another matter that all the members of the "nuclear club" are officially opposed to this today, understanding how this could end.
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  1. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 7 December 2020 15: 42
    +11
    To do this, you must at least become a country.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 53
      +5
      Sohu notes that the Ukrainian military industry continues to develop the production of ballistic and cruise missiles, and, according to the media resource, "Kiev is capable of reviving nuclear weapons even with the current level of technical development."

      Ukraine has never produced thermonuclear warheads. What do the Chinese write about? Ukraine also does not have its own ballistic and cruise missiles. request
    2. credo
      credo 7 December 2020 16: 00
      +3
      Quote: Incvizitor
      To do this, you must at least become a country.

      To do this, you must first be an INDEPENDENT country, which Ukraine cannot boast of.
      I don’t know if there will ever be a recovery in the Ukrainian economy, but I hope that even with a good coincidence of circumstances, its neighbors and “guardians” will not allow it to acquire “nuclear power”. Because, Ukraine, this is a complete inadequacy in actions and words.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 7 December 2020 20: 23
        0
        initially an INDEPENDENT country
        With SUCH dependence, not a country but a colony.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2020 16: 17
      +2
      Quote: Incvizitor
      To do this, you must at least become a country.

      In the mental dispensary, only a nuclear bomb is not enough for a complete
      happiness.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 7 December 2020 17: 03
        0
        Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream)
    4. prior
      prior 7 December 2020 16: 27
      +1
      Ukraine was nuclear within the USSR.
      Has Ukraine decided to become part of Russia again ?!
      Well, let's take it. But let him first deport Bandera's people to Europe. They accept different people, even blacks ...
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 7 December 2020 16: 37
        +3
        Quote: prior
        Ukraine was nuclear within the USSR.

        Ukraine has never been nuclear. The Ukrainian SSR is not Ukraine.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 December 2020 16: 55
          +2
          Quote: Avis
          Ukraine has never been nuclear. The Ukrainian SSR is not Ukraine.

          Add - "Independent Ukraine", and Soviet Ukraine was nuclear, with its specialists in the nuclear industry. In its military component, energy, and mechanical engineering associated with nuclear energy.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 7 December 2020 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Avis
            Ukraine has never been nuclear. The Ukrainian SSR is not Ukraine.

            Add - "Independent Ukraine", and Soviet Ukraine was nuclear, with its specialists in the nuclear industry. In its military component, energy, and mechanical engineering associated with nuclear energy.

            The USSR was nuclear. Nuclear is the successor to the USSR. And the Ukrainian SSR and Ukraine are not nuclear.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 7 December 2020 17: 09
              +1
              Quote: Avis
              The USSR was nuclear. Nuclear is the successor to the USSR. And the Ukrainian SSR and Ukraine are not nuclear.

              Quote: Avis
              Ukraine has never been nuclear. The Ukrainian SSR is not Ukraine.

              You contradict yourself, confusing ...

              There is no longer the USSR or the Ukrainian SSR, and therefore we are not talking about the official, but the formal status of Soviet Ukraine (as part of the Union) as a nuclear subject.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 7 December 2020 17: 13
                -2
                Quote: Insurgent

                You contradict yourself, confusing ...

                You have glitches.
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 7 December 2020 19: 34
                +4
                Quote: Insurgent
                it is not about the official, but the formal status of Soviet Ukraine (as part of the Union) as a nuclear entity.
                Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR - subordinated to the USSR Ministry of Defense and the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Armed Forces.
                All the nuclear weapons of the USSR were subordinated to Moscow. Even formally The Ukrainian SSR was nuclear-free - there were just HF with nuclear weapons located within the Ukrainian SSR, but only the USSR Ministry of Defense obeyed the "nuclear HF" soldier
              3. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 7 December 2020 19: 54
                -2
                There is no longer the USSR, or the Ukrainian SSR,


                Tell stories to my grandmother, my Russian passport says that I was born in the city of Voroshilovgrad, Ukrainian SSR. As well as a birth certificate.
                1. Sofa batyr
                  Sofa batyr 8 December 2020 01: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  Tell stories to my grandmother, my Russian passport says that I was born in the city of Voroshilovgrad, Ukrainian SSR. As well as a birth certificate.

                  Your grandmother, in extreme cases, great-grandmother, by the way, could be recorded in the birth certificate (birth certificate) that she was born in such and such a volost, such and such a district of the Russian Empire ...
                  Did these say that RI still exists and is in use as a means of payment for the population - "efimki"?

                  The entry in your passport was made at the actual place of birth at that time ...
                  1. Lord of the Sith
                    Lord of the Sith 8 December 2020 13: 17
                    0
                    Do you see a gopher? No? And he is)))
                    And the inscription in the document is where I am from.

                    could be recorded in the birth certificate (birth certificate) that she was born in such and such a volost, such and such a district of the Russian Empire ...


                    No, it could not))) Unless they could write like this in Wikipedia)) Well, or duplicate in case of emergency.
                    1. Sofa batyr
                      Sofa batyr 8 December 2020 14: 18
                      +3
                      Quote: Lord of the Sith
                      No, it could not)))

                      Well, yes, I got a little excited about the volosts, or rather, in the newly issued documents, the registry office workers, without further ado, simply changed the "old-regime" names and designations to new ones.
                      But the place of registration was indicated ... CHURCH ...

                      1. Lord of the Sith
                        Lord of the Sith 8 December 2020 14: 27
                        0
                        After the October Revolution, they began to massively passportize citizens (i.e., chip, h laughing )

                        Is it necessary to have a place of registration somewhere? So it turns out))
                      2. Sofa batyr
                        Sofa batyr 8 December 2020 14: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Lord of the Sith
                        Is it necessary to have a place of registration somewhere? So it turns out))

                        No, no ... It's not a matter of registration, because in the USSR, by definition, there could be no homeless, anyway they would be attributed to some kind of hostel or almshouse as "victims of the tsarist regime", if he is no longer able to work due to some circumstances ...

                        Here it is precisely the Civil Status Registration Act that is meant, the registration of which in the Republic of Ingushetia, moreover, exclusively for persons of the Orthodox faith was conducted by the church ...

                        "The names of those born. - Alexander" everything is simple here, the name of the future citizen of the Russian Empire, given at birth (baptism?).

                        "Who performed the sacrament of baptism - Priest Vasily Yudin with Deacon Nikovsky"

                        "The title, name, patronymic and surname of parents, and what religion - Chelyabinsk tradesman Feodar Vasiliev Treskin and his legal wife, Alexander Ilyina, are both Orthodox denominations"

                        "Assault by witnesses of the recording at will."

                        "It is true with the original, which we certify with the signature and attachment of the church seal on October 17, 1914, No. 794.

                        Grado-Chelyabinsk Cathedral: Rector of the wipes Pyotr Holligr (unreadable) Deacon Andrei Are (unreadable). "

                        "Chelyab. Type. Craftsman"






                      3. Lord of the Sith
                        Lord of the Sith 8 December 2020 20: 04
                        0
                        So what? It's a paper butor. Issued by a lost empire.
  2. Insurgent
    Insurgent 7 December 2020 16: 51
    +4
    Quote: prior
    Bandera first let them deport to Europe. They accept different people, even blacks ...

    Yes, they are waiting there, with their values.



  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 December 2020 16: 34
    +1
    Not a nuclear but a vigorous country, it could become, but not destiny. ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 7 December 2020 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Not a nuclear but a vigorous country, it could become, but not destiny. ...

      Not in the horse's food.

  • Simon
    Simon 7 December 2020 16: 47
    +1
    Even if they become a country, then they do not have the technology and funds to produce nuclear weapons. In addition, with such moronism, the UN will not allow them to have nuclear weapons, since it is still unknown where they will be sent with such a "abundant" government as blackmail, especially in Europe.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 7 December 2020 15: 42
    +4
    The chubby monkey does not need grenades. Otherwise, it could end badly.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 7 December 2020 15: 43
    +3
    To do this, they need to build an efficient economy, at least like Israel's, or put things in order, at least like in the DPRK. Both are out of the question for the foreseeable future.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 December 2020 15: 49
    +5
    Who will give her? The curators of Ukraine themselves will not agree to this.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 7 December 2020 15: 52
    -22%
    Given a political decision, in order to become a "nuclear power" again, Ukraine needs $ 1,2 billion and a year of time.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 7 December 2020 15: 57
      +4
      $ 1,2 billion and a year of time
      And unique equipment will be loaned laughing And where to test? If you multiply the sum thirty times, then it is quite.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 7 December 2020 16: 03
        -19%
        It will do without debts.All the necessary equipment and specialists are in Kharkov
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 December 2020 18: 46
          +4
          Quote: Dimid
          It will do without debts.All the necessary equipment and specialists are in Kharkov

          As I understand it, you have everything you need in your apartment in Kharkov - coke, gerych or spice at worst, all in order to feel like the father of the Ukrainian nuclear program.
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 7 December 2020 18: 50
            -4
            People are not judged by themselves. I am a traditionalist, I prefer "strong drinks"
            And please to you, we did not drink at brotherhood
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 7 December 2020 18: 58
              +1
              Quote: Dimid
              People are not judged by themselves. I am a traditionalist, I prefer "strong drinks"
              And please to you, we did not drink at brotherhood

              I do not judge for myself. It's just that nothing else can come to mind when I think about what could have prompted a person to write frank nonsense about 1,2 lem and a year of time. Hot drinks, in your opinion, as I understand it, strong hot tea, and a couple of sweets. Well, of course you haven't drunk. It's too early for you to drink. You haven't grown up.
              1. Dimide
                Dimide 7 December 2020 19: 13
                -5
                "Uncle", this is not my nonsense, but the words of the former head of the SBU, Doctor of Technical Sciences IP Smeshko.
                If by yourself do not judge where such knowledge comes from in the means of expanding consciousness.
                At the expense of "not grown", thank you for the compliment, but it is not necessary, I do not like sycophants
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 7 December 2020 19: 30
                  0
                  I don't care whose nonsense it is. Would you like to trust another balobol. Your business. Few of you were ... deceived.
                  whence such knowledge in the means of expanding consciousness.

                  Knowledge? Is it the first time you hear such words? In our time when all this muck is on everyone's lips.
                  Well, then you have not grown mentally yet, if everything is in order with physical growth. Childhood smells from some of your reasoning. hi
                2. DAQ
                  DAQ 8 December 2020 01: 50
                  +1
                  Uncle ", this is not my nonsense, but the words of the former head of the SBU, Doctor of Technical Sciences IP Smeshko.

                  Your Ph.D. in technical sciences pours into your ears. Stupidly lying.
                  Look for information about nuclear weapons.
                  1) Even the United States does not have an effective technology for uranium enrichment in centrifuges. They were separated by an expensive gas diffusion method. In the 90s, they stopped enriching. Even for nuclear power plants. Initially, they bought weapons-grade uranium from the Russian Federation, pumped it up and sent it to the nuclear power plant, then the Germans built the plant. Right now, they are enriching in German centrifuges. Iran has been plowing for decades, they have not advanced so far.
                  2) There is no normal nuclear weapons without plutonium. Only Pakistani "handicraft" on uranium. Dodgers are made in reactors. A civil NPP with 1 power unit (reactor) is being built for 7-10 years. The price is over 10 billion. This is despite the fact that the technology has been developed.
                  In addition to the operating time in the reactor, it must be separated with acids. What a complex technology there. There have never been such enterprises in Ukraine under the Union. Were only in the RSFSR. Theorists were in Kharkov, but knowing the properties of the atom is one thing, and creating equipment is another.
                  The cost of the issue is tens of billions of dollars, decades of hard work, tens of thousands of specialists, the highest level of secrecy. And all this in Ukraine with Zelensky, Tyagnibok, Turchinov, Klitschko, Lyashko, Saakashvili and the same outstanding scientists and specialists in nuclear physics. laughing fellow
                  3) the design of the ammunition itself. You have no idea what it is. And you better not know.

                  Let's be objective. If you can't make anti-ship missiles, air defense systems and other equipment (with the Soviet legacy yo mayo), don't even dream of nuclear weapons from scratch. The level of science and technology there is not several times, but orders of magnitude higher.
                  For your safety, don't even start. Everyone will be scammed, they will screw everything up, get a second Chernobyl. You don't even need to bomb. You will shatter yourself.
                  No offense.
                  1. Dimide
                    Dimide 8 December 2020 11: 50
                    0
                    Yes, what grievances, they do not take offense at the truth.
                3. Bessik
                  Bessik 8 December 2020 12: 59
                  0
                  Smeshko? Phaha then it changes everything)
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 7 December 2020 16: 05
        +3
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        $ 1,2 billion and a year of time
        And unique equipment will be loaned laughing And where to test? If you multiply the sum thirty times, then it is quite.

        Yes, what are you talking about? Present Ukraine to the same Iran as to the Moon on foot. How many years have the Iranian nuclear program been in operation? will believe.
        1. Dimide
          Dimide 7 December 2020 16: 56
          -6
          From open sources
          https://www.google.com.ua/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/v-ukraine-mogli-ostatsya-atomnye-bomby-kotorye-mogut-prevratit-vraga-v-radioaktivnuyu-pyl-358186.html&ved=2ahUKEwiF8MbA_LvtAhVzGVkFHWnAC_0QFjABegQIAxAK&usg=AOvVaw3935__XBzZzgx4dB3Vihir
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 December 2020 17: 31
            +4
            "Atomic bombs could have remained ... 550kt warhead ... Two bombers were lost (!) ..."
            From the book "Legends and Myths of Independent Ukraine". The ten thousandth edition, once again re-invented.
            What else can you tell?
            Let's go straight to the ancient warehouse of alien superweapons.
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 7 December 2020 17: 44
              -7
              If we remove the "verbal husk" about warheads and aircraft, then the plot shows that there are opportunities and specialists (even if we do not count the Kharkiv residents), there is no political will and funding
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 7 December 2020 18: 01
            -1
            And what, these same lying
            atomnye-bomby-kotorye-mogut-prevratit-vraga-v-radioaktivnuyu-pyl
            do not require battery replacement (Duracell will not fit laughing ) refueling with tritium and processing the core? 30 years have passed.
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 7 December 2020 18: 12
              -4
              I don’t believe in propaganda either, but that there is a possibility of creating on the basis of the Institute of Nuclear Research of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and the Kharkov Institute of Physics and Technology - very yes
          3. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 7 December 2020 18: 48
            0
            Quote: Dimid
            From open sources
            https://www.google.com.ua/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/v-ukraine-mogli-ostatsya-atomnye-bomby-kotorye-mogut-prevratit-vraga-v-radioaktivnuyu-pyl-358186.html&ved=2ahUKEwiF8MbA_LvtAhVzGVkFHWnAC_0QFjABegQIAxAK&usg=AOvVaw3935__XBzZzgx4dB3Vihir

            Or they might not have stayed. So big, but you believe in fairy tales.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 16: 01
      +6
      Does Ukraine really have the production of thermonuclear warheads? It was never there even during the Soviet Union. Where will it be produced and who? Without unofficial purchases of Russian fuel elements, they cannot ensure the operation of the nuclear power plants inherited from the Union, and then suddenly fantasies about a bomb began. Noodles.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 7 December 2020 16: 24
        -12%
        What does fusion have to do with it? Talk about nuclear weapons
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 7 December 2020 16: 01
      +6
      Do you seriously think so, Dmitry? Multiply the sum by 100 (this is at least) and add 30 years, provided that the scientists will not be shot. Even if you create a dirty bomb, don't forget about delivery vehicles. Do not hope for the Yuzhnoye design bureau, they already cannot assemble the engines, they have lost all international projects.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 7 December 2020 16: 57
        -4
        Provided the link above
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 7 December 2020 18: 14
          +1
          Dimid: Open the policy, Here is a university-level document. Hopefully you will complete it. Https://portal.tpu.ru/departments/otdel/publish/izdaniya_razrabotanye_v_ramkah_IOP/Tab1/tehnologiya_urana_and_plutoniya_zac.pdf.
          Only enriching the ore will take longer than you thought.
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 7 December 2020 18: 46
            -4
            I did not involve politics, from open sources I tried to find out the theoretical possibility of creating nuclear weapons in Ukraine without the participation of the Russian Federation and other countries. There is uranium in the Yellow Waters at the eastern mining and processing plant, there are nuclear specialists, rocket scientists in Kiev, Kharkov, Dnieper, there is also It’s just that at this stage of time, as I understand it, Ukraine does not need nuclear weapons
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 7 December 2020 19: 05
              +3
              Did you find the document under the link Dimitri? Is there such a thing as technology? Enrichment of uranium into weapons-grade plutonium (more simplified and intelligible) on your knee. The same DPRK was able to at the expense of the PRC (everyone knows, but !!!!). There is a joke. -A nuclear physicist can plaster and paint a house in two months without outside help, a plastered painter will not be able to start a reactor even for 200 years. So, here's a rocket, it's not only a hull and engines (at the expense of Yuzhny. A nuclear weapons specialist (namely gunsmith) not a theoretician = physicist. On the one hand, I agree with you, even the Philippines can create nuclear weapons, just how much it will cost, how much time it takes and who will allow them. Why am I a little familiar with this topic, three years ago, we have already been quite As an adult, they discussed Iran's nuclear program with Tofarischs from the Promised Land. At that time, there were still quite a lot of real specialists in the military, so that they stuck their noses and had to read for development wink .
              1. Dimide
                Dimide 7 December 2020 20: 23
                +1
                Uv.Zadorin 1974, thank you for the link, downloaded, read at your leisure
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 7 December 2020 21: 41
                  +2
                  I didn't immediately understand)))
                  1. Dimide
                    Dimide 8 December 2020 11: 44
                    +1
                    Test jokelaughing
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 7 December 2020 16: 32
      +5
      Quote: Dimid
      Given a political decision, in order to become a "nuclear power" again, Ukraine needs $ 1,2 billion and a year of time.

      Yeah, and remove the "plaque" from the doors of the current government "Chamber No. 6"
    5. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 7 December 2020 16: 35
      +4
      Quote: Dimid
      Given a political decision, in order to become a "nuclear power" again, Ukraine needs $ 1,2 billion and a year of time.

      Ukraine can not give birth to neptune, what are you talking about, although what kind of neptune, mortar killed more of its own than strangers) Where will Ukraine get centrifuge technology, where will the product be tested, and what will happen if another "hammer" mortar turns out? But the worst thing for Ukraine is who will allow her, what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull, Ukraine is a little girl who first ran after one uncle, and now runs after another, but if this girl wants to get nuclear weapons, then both uncles will beat her and other girls to boot.
      And 1,2kkk is according to calculations without taking into account local realities, and taking into account local realities and 5 may not be enough, not all generals still have dachas
    6. dzvero
      dzvero 7 December 2020 16: 41
      +2
      For a year, but with funding three orders of magnitude more, Germany and Japan can manage, and that is not a fact. Ukraine? I do not believe...
    7. orionvitt
      orionvitt 7 December 2020 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: Dimid
      With a political decision

      Even if we hypothetically imagine that Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons, then at this very moment, it will cease to exist. They will beat from two sides, both from the east and from the west. Even Western curators are well aware that inadequacy with a nuclear baton will need to be shot right away.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 December 2020 15: 56
    +4
    Guys, to create nuclear weapons, you first need a scientific potential. Technical is solvable, scientific is not. Those who worked with activity in the USSR - have long been retired or in the grave, remained the former MNS. and not the best - those who were at least something of themselves in terms of science, with the collapse of the USSR drove there. where the atom, peaceful and not so, still lived - in Russia or in the USA, for example. There was no one left, and what is the most disgusting thing for them - to teach even new ones, even if it is not a dozen years - to teach SOMEONE!
  • faiver
    faiver 7 December 2020 15: 59
    +3
    To want and to be able are somewhat different things ... hi
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont 7 December 2020 16: 25
    +2
    Don't say so, but we'll finish the game with our "humane" policy in relation to the horse. It has already reached the point of direct misconduct with the abduction of our citizens and an attempt to smuggle them to the other side with the help of agents on the territory of the southern regions with the support of the MTR of the Armed Forces. Practically no one writes about it, and the skakuas killed on the border was a commando with full equipment, with a "night light" and other pribluds. From that side, fire support was provided, by the way, as in the Crimea at one time.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 18: 45
      0
      Xenofont, maybe you are right. After all, they wrote briefly about it and .... silence.
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont 7 December 2020 19: 04
        0
        Colonel Kassad has the topic revealed, this is hardly an idle invention.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 20: 20
          0
          I do not get you. What article are you talking about?
          1. Xenofont
            Xenofont 7 December 2020 20: 22
            0
            ttps: //colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6382703.html Here in some detail with links.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 20: 23
              0
              Got it. Thanks. I'll check.
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 20: 37
                0
                Interesting. But, not entirely convincing.
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 20: 35
      -2
      Quote: Xenofont
      Almost no one writes about this, and the skakuas killed on the border was a special forces soldier with full equipment, with a "night light" and other pribluds

      The name of the victim was named - Evgeny Golubev, born in 1993. According to the source, in Ukraine he was held in several criminal cases, including hooliganism and robbery. He often went to see friends in the Russian Belgorod region.
      looked at the photo of the murdered (by the way, it looks like a young woman) age approximately coincides with the data.
      The Ukrainians insist on one version, and the FSB on another. Out of the ordinary, they make almost an action movie.
      If I were in the place of the consulate, I would have submitted a version about the "evil FSB" who shot the young man and framed him as a special forces officer (yes, the photo shows that he has no special forces, too young) on ​​purpose. what
      in the spirit of war in general. And then the Ukrainians in such situations have completely forgotten how to do it under Poroshenko.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 20: 43
        0
        Judging by the photo equipment, so-so. Physically average. If the forelock and recruited this miracle, then it is unlikely that it could give something interesting, from an operational point of view. Chubatye and on agents, save or just steal
  • Object.F7
    Object.F7 7 December 2020 16: 27
    -5
    What was the main problem of the communists? In the communists! This is about the main Ukrainian communist Kravchuk, who after betraying the USSR, what did he do first? He betrayed Ukraine as president, exchanging nuclear weapons for a Budapest piece of paper. And then the communist Kuchma, at the request of the Americans, sawed the newest at that time strategists Tu-160 and Tu-22m3, which could still fly and fly, would still be in the ranks, why, with their thirst excavators, and someone has corruption money at the expense in a quiet and dacha foreign. To begin with, it would not hurt to deal with Kravchuk, for all his crimes. Otherwise, there will be a new Kravchuk-traitor-corrupt official for a new thermonuclear. Vicious circle
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 7 December 2020 16: 31
    +6
    There is still a God in the world, since he saved the world from the fact that the nuclear arsenal would remain in the hands of these crazy stooges. They cannot be given any weapons at all
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 7 December 2020 16: 32
    +1
    Nuclear weapon? THIS ?! Bless and save! Although who knows ... If they had nuclear weapons, maybe there would be no Maidans. Away from sin.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 7 December 2020 16: 34
    +1
    Another monkey wanted a grenade? Will they calm down to fight with us?
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 December 2020 16: 44
    +7
    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev inherited a huge number of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, including 1240 nuclear warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and many strategic bombers. Ukraine could not afford so much military power, including because of the high costs of its maintenance.

    Got it .... because Yeltsin was in such a hurry to become a great-power tsar of Russia that he forgot about everything that the "swung" to the throne of Russia had to think about - including the procedures for secession from the USSR, delimiting territories, paying off debts, property, weapons, return of troops and servicemen.
    How many troubles and losses we could have avoided, at the end of the XNUMXth century, and in the present century, if we were in his place, a strong-willed, and most importantly, an intelligent and pragmatic leader!
    1. Alexander Kopychev
      Alexander Kopychev 7 December 2020 17: 10
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      Quote: Vladimir61
      After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev inherited a huge number of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, including 1240 nuclear warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and many strategic bombers. Ukraine could not afford so much military power, including because of the high costs of its maintenance.

      Got it .... because Yeltsin was in such a hurry to become a great-power tsar of Russia that he forgot about everything that the "swung" to the throne of Russia had to think about - including the procedures for secession from the USSR, delimiting territories, paying off debts, property, weapons, return of troops and servicemen.
      How many troubles and losses we could have avoided, at the end of the XNUMXth century, and in the present century, if we were in his place, a strong-willed, and most importantly, an intelligent and pragmatic leader!

      The leader there was Chubais - an intelligent and pragmatic bastard. As a result, we got the GDP. I should drink honey with his lips ...
  • spech
    spech 7 December 2020 16: 45
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    When Kiev signed the Budapest Treaty,

    Maybe not an agreement, but a memorandum (by the way, by the Kuevo himself and not ratified)?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 7 December 2020 17: 16
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      Quote: spech
      Maybe not an agreement, but a memorandum (by the way, by the Kuevo himself and not ratified)?

      At the same time, she signed and ratified the "Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" - with all the attendant ...
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 20: 53
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      Quote: spech
      a memorandum (by the way, by the Kuevo itself and not ratified)?

      The Memorandum takes effect immediately after signing. That is, it does not require ratification. And for one thing, read the Federal Law on the Ratification of International Treaties
      and the law on ratification was adopted a year later, and there were no precedents for ratifying previous treaties
      but most importantly
      Articles of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, to which Ukraine and all other signatories of the BM are parties, and, therefore, the provisions of which are binding on them.
      Regarding the name "Memorandum", then, according to Article 2 of this convention, an international treaty is any agreement concluded between states in writing, regardless of its specific name.
      With regard to ratification, as indicated in article 14 of the convention, it is not mandatory and is carried out only when the parties have noted its necessity in the international agreement itself or have agreed otherwise. Article 24 provides that "the agreement comes into force in the manner and on the date provided for in the agreement itself."
      We read the penultimate sentence of the Memorandum: "This Memorandum comes into force from the moment of signing." This phrase, in the absence of a clause on the need for ratification, literally means the following: "This memorandum is not subject to ratification."

      therefore, no one ratified it.
  • Simon
    Simon 7 December 2020 16: 53
    +1
    Quote: Dimid
    It will do without debts.All the necessary equipment and specialists are in Kharkov

    I wonder even if they make nuclear weapons, but where will they test them! fool
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 December 2020 17: 23
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      Well, if only they give birth to a very dirty and grimy little one, they will sell it, although to whom?
  • kitpit
    kitpit 7 December 2020 16: 55
    +1
    Don't underestimate the Banderlog. If attempts begin to create the infrastructure of the enterprise and leaders to prevent it,
    following the example of Western "partners". And then it will be too late to drink Borjomi.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 December 2020 17: 20
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      What kind of action is to write a piece of paper mriy and dumok and under this business to sebe money to comunicate? -Well then yes-accomplishments to you non-brothers, good luck!
  • Alien From
    Alien From 7 December 2020 17: 02
    +2
    They cannot be trusted with fat, they will steal from themselves ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 18: 39
      0
      Gold words!!!!)))
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 7 December 2020 17: 03
    +1
    Well, if the Russians made an Aviation Plant in Georgia, does it mean if there are nuclear missile silos in Estonia, that Estonia is a nuclear power?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 December 2020 17: 18
    -1
    Who SOHU? Well, it’s not like Tribalts, but later something ignition. Such Wishlist for a long time in a bearded year have already made fun of it. It looks like they had nothing to write, so the archive in a circle as our ort began to be driven on the air.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 7 December 2020 17: 22
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    Quote: Dimid
    to become a "nuclear power" again, Ukraine needs $ 1,2 billion and a year of time.

    You have counted something a little! And who will enrich uranium? Hundreds of thousands of centrifuges built using unique technology. Yes, to spin them up, you need to put the power station nearby. laughing
    To become a member of the "nuclear club", a country should not be rich (eg China and Korea) BUT SHOULD PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME. Which of course will affect the well-being of the entire population. hi hi
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 7 December 2020 18: 06
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      You can produce plutonium or U-233, but for this you need to get hold of an appropriate reactor. And build a processing plant.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 7 December 2020 18: 03
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    ... The weapons Kiev chose to destroy or sell to Russia turned Ukraine into a non-nuclear state relying on the support of the West and international organizations.

    Actually, the calculation was mainly on the support of Russia.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 December 2020 18: 38
    0
    Fortunately, Ukraine can only become a gastro-surfing superpower. If already, she didn't.
  • NF68
    NF68 7 December 2020 18: 40
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    She nevertheless became nuclear derzhava:

  • RNO
    RNO 7 December 2020 19: 36
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    which is stronger than nuclear or atomic weapons? I think atomic is stronger at times
  • Old26
    Old26 7 December 2020 22: 00
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    Quote: Dimid
    I did not involve politics, from open sources I tried to find out the theoretical possibility of creating nuclear weapons in Ukraine without the participation of the Russian Federation and other countries. There is uranium in the Yellow Waters at the eastern mining and processing plant, there are nuclear specialists, rocket scientists in Kiev, Kharkov, Dnieper, there is also It’s just that at this stage of time, as I understand it, Ukraine does not need nuclear weapons

    If we talk purely theoretically, then of course Ukraine has the ability to create nuclear weapons. True, the possibilities, or rather the probabilities of this, are vanishingly small.
    Ukraine has never had a complete nuclear cycle. There was only uranium mining and work with it at the GOK. That’s all. Uranium was not enriched to the weapons grade in Ukraine. The same Iran took almost a decade to get closer to enrichment, far from being a weapon ...

    The same can be said about the carriers (rocketaz). despite the powerful production in the form of Yuzhmash and related industries, again, there was no full cycle. Engines at Yuzhmash were produced, but most often only for breeding stages. Even now, the creation of the same "Thunder-2" by order of Saudi Arabia is going through the stump-deck. But there are also specialists. But "the stone flower does not come out." It will take years to build the same powerful engines.

    So it is with the nuclear program. You can still agree with the amount, although it is too small to create production, but not with time. As it was said in one film, even if you put together 9 pregnant women, they still won't give birth in a month.

    Quote: zadorin1974
    Did you find the document under the link Dimitri? Is there such a thing as technology? Enrichment of uranium into weapons-grade plutonium (more simplified and intelligible) on your knee. The same DPRK was able to at the expense of the PRC (everyone knows, but !!!!). There is a joke. -A nuclear physicist can plaster and paint a house in two months without outside help, a plastered painter will not be able to start a reactor even for 200 years. So, here's a rocket, it's not only a hull and engines (at the expense of Yuzhny. A nuclear weapons specialist (namely gunsmith) not a theoretician = physicist. On the one hand, I agree with you, even the Philippines can create nuclear weapons, just how much it will cost, how much time it takes and who will allow them. Why am I a little familiar with this topic, three years ago, we have already been quite As an adult, they discussed Iran's nuclear program with Tofarischs from the Promised Land. At that time, there were still quite a lot of real specialists in the military, so that they stuck their noses and had to read for development wink .

    Well, there is absolutely no need, as you write, "to enrich uranium into weapons-grade plutonium." In general, such a process does not exist. There is enrichment of uranium to the weapons-grade level (which is about 92% pure), and there is the separation of plutonium from spent nuclear fuel. Each country "stretches out its legs according to its clothes". For example, the same India, EMNIP relied on plutonium charges, Pakistan - on uranium. Uranium is easier to obtain (in terms of technology) than plutonium.

    There are (or were) about 30 countries in the world, the so-called. "threshold", that is, those that can get nuclear weapons due to the fact that they are technologically advanced, but as you rightly noted, everything rests on the price of these weapons.

    As for the nuclear status of Ukraine, one should not forget that after the collapse of the Union, all the republics that had nuclear weapons on their territory, and especially strategic delivery vehicles, transferred their charges and carriers to Russia, officially declaring their renunciation of nuclear status. so, like it or not, immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, there were 4 republics with nuclear status on its territory. Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine. And our "partners" from across the ocean have made every effort to ensure that only Russia remains nuclear. This can be seen even from the way money was allocated so that the same Ukraine would destroy its potential (missiles and bombers)

    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Dimid
    Given a political decision, in order to become a "nuclear power" again, Ukraine needs $ 1,2 billion and a year of time.

    Ukraine can not give birth to neptune, what are you talking about, although what kind of neptune, mortar killed more of its own than strangers) Where will Ukraine get centrifuge technology, where will the product be tested, and what will happen if another "hammer" mortar turns out? But the worst thing for Ukraine is who will allow her, what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull, Ukraine is a little girl who first ran after one uncle, and now runs after another, but if this girl wants to get nuclear weapons, then both uncles will beat her and other girls to boot.
    And 1,2kkk is according to calculations without taking into account local realities, and taking into account local realities and 5 may not be enough, not all generals still have dachas

    You are mostly right. The problems with the creation of missile weapons in Ukraine are above the roof, although it must still be said that they bungled the Neptune. But more serious, such as "Thunder-2" - fortunately not yet.
    The technology of centrifuges Ukraine, if necessary, can get it. There is a shadow market for nuclear technology. it is from this market that Iran obtained the centrifuge technology. And now it is already putting into operation almost 6 or 7 modifications of these centrifuges.

    Quote: Simon
    Quote: Dimid
    It will do without debts.All the necessary equipment and specialists are in Kharkov

    I wonder even if they make nuclear weapons, but where will they test them! fool

    This is just not a question. In mine.
  • agoran
    agoran 7 December 2020 22: 16
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    To have a desire and to have opportunities are, as it were, different concepts.
    Read the latest news on Zenzor: 3 uranium mines in the Kirovograd region were closed.
    Potatoes are purchased in Belarus, bacon (Karl!) Is purchased in Poland, Germany and the Russian Federation.
    For the Papuans, only stone axes.
  • Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 8 December 2020 11: 30
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    After what happened to Ukraine and the people in 1991 and beyond, this is a monkey with a grenade. And technology has been lost for a long time.
  • Old26
    Old26 8 December 2020 18: 01
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    Quote: Nasdaq
    Look for information about nuclear weapons.
    1) Even the United States does not have an effective technology for uranium enrichment in centrifuges. They were separated by an expensive gas diffusion method. In the 90s, they stopped enriching. Even for nuclear power plants. Initially, they bought weapons-grade uranium from the Russian Federation, pumped it up and sent it to the nuclear power plant, then the Germans built the plant. Right now, they are enriching in German centrifuges. Iran has been plowing for decades, they have not advanced so far.

    Well, to be precise, not exactly the way you write. The Americans have an experienced cascade of their own centrifuges (by the way, the centrifuges are 10 meters high, which others do not have). But that's not the point. They started out first and followed the path of the gaseous diffusion method. Which has now been closed.

    About buying and unlocking weapons-grade uranium. It was not they who were energizing, but we were already selling them enriched uranium for nuclear power plants.

    Iran is plowing. And I must say that Obama was far from being a stupid person to make such a deal. For by this he limited the number of centrifuges (about 5500), which means he "stretched" Iran's ability to enrich to the weapons-grade level in time. But Trump acted like an elephant in a china shop. As a result, instead of the IR-1 / 1M, IR-2 and IR-4/5 centrifuges, Iran now has the IR-7, IR-8 and IR-9 centrifuges with much higher capacity. And now no one can forbid them to increase the number of centrifuges up to the planned number of 25000 units at the first stage, and in the future up to 50 units.