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The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed the installation of Norwegian anti-ship missiles NSM on missile boats of the Ukrainian Navy

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The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed the installation of Norwegian anti-ship missiles NSM on missile boats of the Ukrainian Navy

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak confirmed that the Ukrainian Navy will receive missile boats, which will be built by Britain, with the Norwegian Naval Strike Missile (NSM) anti-ship missiles, and not with the Ukrainian anti-ship missile "Neptune". He told about this in an interview with the "Apostrof" edition.


Great Britain is at the stage of signing agreements on the production of eight missile boats for us with NSM missiles, which have a range of 180 kilometers

- he said.

According to the general, an agreement was reached that instead of eight missile boats, Britain will build six missile boats and two minesweeping boats. In addition, according to plans, the Naval Forces of Ukraine should receive 4 corvettes in the coming years and Khomchak would prefer that they be armed with the Ukrainian anti-ship missile "Neptune", but the naval version of this missile does not yet exist.

You see, Neptune is a cool thing. I'm ready to order it today, but do you know how it ends? This will end with the saying that the General Staff very often changes the state defense order. Do you know why this happens? Because they can't give us what we ask for (...) So it's probably not even worth dreaming about a ship version yet

- emphasized the commander-in-chief.

Khomchak expressed dissatisfaction with the real pace of development of the Neptune anti-ship complex.

Earlier, the Commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, Rear Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa, had a meeting with the Defense Attaché at the British Embassy in Ukraine, Commodore of the Royal Navy Tim Woods. During the meeting, the British side informed the Ukrainian side that the boats planned for construction would be armed with a Norwegian anti-ship missile, not a Ukrainian one.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2020 14: 38
    -4
    Technically speaking, he's right.
    It is better to have a titmouse in your hands than a pie in the sky.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 14: 44
      +2
      Here's what I think. Maybe we can transfer a batch of Su-24Ms for Argentina, having previously modernized them under the air-based Kh-35U. So that the British do not get bored either. Otherwise, they apparently have nothing to do. Out of boredom they contacted Bandera.
    2. svp67
      svp67 7 December 2020 14: 51
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It is better to have a titmouse in your hands than a pie in the sky.

      So it is so, but apart from Norway and Poland, I have not ordered more of these missiles yet ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2020 14: 56
        +2
        Dill is not alone. Well, since the "product" is little-known, then it is still necessary to invent an antidote against it.
      2. Holgerton
        Holgerton 7 December 2020 15: 27
        0
        It seems that the USMC also signed a contract for the purchase of a coastal version for a mobile complex and the US Navy is going to purchase for potential weapons of ships of the LCS type and possibly as additional weapons on promising frigates.
        Well, there are also rumors about ongoing negotiations for the countries of Asia and Europe. NSM has an advantage in light weight (the total mass of the rocket is 407 kg), dimensions (length 3,3 meters) and partial use of low-signature technologies, with a range of up to 200 km.
    3. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 7 December 2020 15: 00
      -3
      And they will end up with a duck under the bed.
      Once again.
      1. credo
        credo 7 December 2020 15: 22
        -2
        Quote: stock buildbat
        And they will end up with a duck under the bed.
        Once again.

        This is a complete bummer.
        I remember how some curator of Ukraine for industry, of an Estonian appearance, it seems, warned Zelensky not to even think about restoring local enterprises.
        The result was not long in coming. Not for that the Anglo-Saxons staged a coup in Ukraine to develop its industry, including the military-industrial complex.
        Even when the Ukrainian griefs, the military leaders claimed that the British would make them only the hulls of these few boats, and that all the stuffing of the weapons would already be supplied by local manufacturers from Ukraine, there was complete disbelief that the Anglo-Saxons would agree to such a trifle. The doubts were not in vain.
        Now more and more facts confirm the plans of the United States and the EU to completely destroy the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, in order to tie them up to 100% on NATO products.
    4. iouris
      iouris 7 December 2020 19: 35
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Better to have to have a tit

      Think for yourself, decide for yourself
      To have or not to have ...
  2. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 7 December 2020 14: 40
    0
    You see, Neptune is a cool thing. I'm ready to order it today, but do you know how it ends? This will end with the saying that the General Staff very often changes the state defense order. Do you know why this happens? Because they can't give us what we ask for (...) So it's probably not even worth dreaming about a ship version yet

    Is Neptune a cool thing, is it about the shirivo Neptune or the cool but non-existent RCC Neptune?
    1. Dimide
      Dimide 7 December 2020 14: 54
      -7
      Ground RK-360 MC was put into service on 23.08.20/XNUMX/XNUMX and next year GOZ provides for the purchase of three more divisions
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 04
        -2
        Turchinov says that not a single complex has been ordered. Google. So what is accepted then?
        Former NSDC secretary Oleksandr Turchynov criticized the Ukrainian president on the air of the Pryamoy TV channel. The reason for his dissatisfaction was the curtailment of missile programs launched by the previous Ukrainian leader, Petro Poroshenko. Turchinov said that by closing the programs, Zelensky showed strategic shortsightedness.

        “And this is a colossal problem, because it is not only the disarmament of our armed forces. This is actually a new stop for our military industry, because in order for it to exist and develop, there must be government orders, ”Turchinov said.

        Turchynov accused Zelenskiy of disarming troops during the growing "Russian threat" and noted that Ukraine needs a powerful army, not the president's confidence that Kiev and Moscow will "come to an agreement at some cost."

        According to Turchynov, if the development had not been stopped, Ukraine would have received powerful cruise missiles capable of destroying ships of the Russian fleet in the port of basing in the Crimea and Novorossiysk.

        “Today we do not have a single mobile complex in service with our army. I believe that this is not just ignorance, misunderstanding - it is just a crime against the country's defense, ”Turchinov complained.

        https://yandex.ru/turbo/riafan.ru/s/1348967-turchinov-obvinil-zelenskogo-v-prestuplenii-protiv-oborony-ukrainy
        1. Dimide
          Dimide 7 December 2020 15: 08
          -8
          Turchinov can even take the "washerwoman pose", and Defense Minister Taran signed an order at the time I indicated
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 13
            +4
            Well, Ukraine is a special country. They can sign anything, but it is not necessary to fulfill the signed. Turchinov says there is no order.
            “The production of solid propellant components, even if it was financed, was stopped. The production of the same missiles that Zelensky spoke about in his report was stopped - he learned the names, but he does not understand the meaning of this. Because not a single missile has been ordered this year, not a single missile, not a cruise missile, not a single missile system. And this is a colossal problem, because it is not only the disarmament of our armed forces. This is actually a new stop for our military industry, because for it to exist and develop, there must be government orders.

            Even the money that was sent for this year was not used, I am not talking about missile programs. Not a single shell was produced. We have created our own base for the production of large caliber ammunition. None were ordered. That is, our war is over - apparently, in someone's head, ”Turchinov said.

            https://m.politnavigator.net/nechem-bit-po-krymskomu-mostu-i-novorossijjsku-zelenskijj-pogubil-lyubimye-rakety-turchinova.html
            1. Dimide
              Dimide 7 December 2020 15: 23
              -5
              At the moment, Turchinov is no one and his name does not exist
              It was recently that he "stirred" and "lay down" under Poroshenko, when the GBR began to "pinch" him.
              They "sew" treason for the surrender of Crimea and the Maidan
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 31
                +5
                Are they on trial for the Maidan in Ukraine? What are you talking about? This is counter-revolution. But what about the revolution of dignity? You betray its ideals. What about the heavenly hundred? In the same place, half of the country can be imprisoned for organizing the Maidan.
                1. Dimide
                  Dimide 7 December 2020 15: 36
                  -10%
                  They do not judge, but conduct an investigation - feel the difference.
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 7 December 2020 16: 38
                    +5
                    Quote: Dimid
                    They do not judge, but conduct an investigation - feel the difference.

                    Dear, no one knows what you feel there, winked but, this hearing is the main investigation on the merits of the case.
                    1. Dimide
                      Dimide 7 December 2020 17: 11
                      -3
                      Gathers materials, conducts investigative actions, examinations are also a court, or is it still an investigation and inquiry?
                      1. Terenin
                        Terenin 7 December 2020 18: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Dimid
                        Gathers materials, conducts investigative actions, examinations are also a court, or is it still an investigation and inquiry?

                        All of this is a preliminary investigation.
  3. V1er
    V1er 7 December 2020 14: 43
    +2

    laughing I'll just leave it here)
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 14: 47
      -3
      Our Russia is funnier.
      1. V1er
        V1er 7 December 2020 14: 56
        +2

        How is it? )) laughing
  4. uav80
    uav80 7 December 2020 14: 48
    +2
    It's a double-edged sword, the Artem State Joint Stock Holding Company switched to a one-day working week due to the lack of orders for Neptuns, if you wait a little longer then the enterprise will simply be liquidated over time ...
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 14: 52
      +1
      And earlier, due to the release of what products of the GHK, Artyom worked more time? There was no serial production of the anti-ship missiles Neptune.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 December 2020 15: 26
        +1
        India feeds.

        Ukraine in 2019 signed a major contract for the supply of R-27 aircraft missiles to India
        State Enterprise GKhVP "Spetstechnoexport" signed contracts for the supply of India with R-27 aircraft medium-range air-to-air missiles in the amount of 221 million dollars and test equipment for R-27 missiles (PPPR "Gurt-M") in the amount of 26 USD million - both produced by the Artem State Holding Company.
        Previous major contract for the supply of missiles of the R-27 family to India was implemented by the Ukrainian side in 2013 year when by agreement cost 246 million dollars of the Indian Air Force were delivered 400 missiles of this series (180 R-27ER1, 180 R-27ET1 and 40 training) produced by the State Holding Company "Artem".
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 43
          +1
          Russia also signed a contract with India in 2019 for the supply of air-to-air missiles.
          The contract to supply India with a large consignment of Russian R-27 medium-range air-to-air missiles, announced this week, will not only be Russia's success in its struggle for a highly competitive arms market. It is also a political victory, since by its decision the Indian leadership openly violates the anti-Russian sanctions regime established by the United States. Izvestia figured out what caused the choice of Russian weapons in the face of strong competition.
          Part of the package

          The choice of the R-27 to strengthen the Air Force may seem strange. This missile is not the most advanced either in the Indian arsenal or in the range of the Russian military-industrial complex. More recently, it was reported that New Delhi is actively looking for alternatives to our air combat missiles.

          The situation became clearer when it became known that, according to Jane's Defense Weekly, the P-27 deal was only part of a larger package of contracts with the Indian Air Force for the purchase of about a thousand Russian air-to-air missiles. In addition to about 300 P-27s, they want to buy the same number of P-73Es and 400 P-77s for an impressive $ 700 million, 215 of which will be spent on the P-27.


          Already in the new millennium, in 2012, an additional contract was signed for 360 R-27 missiles of Ukrainian production, which loaded the capacities of the country's enterprises by the end of 2013.

          Only now, after almost a quarter of a century, India is returning to the Russian manufacturer. This speaks to New Delhi's doubts about Kiev's ability to produce large quantities of such missiles. Especially after the breakdown of industrial ties between the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and Russia.

          https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/vzaimodeystvie/bravo-vyboru-chto-stoit-za-indiyskim-kontraktom-po-pokupke-r-27/
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 7 December 2020 17: 40
            +1
            After the aggravation of the situation with China, India urgently began a total purchase of many weapons and accelerated work on rearmament.
            Hence the order for both the Ukrainian R-27 and Russian R-27.
            The very reason why India bought P-27s mainly from the Artyom State Holding Company, and not from Vympel, is that the Artyomovskie P-27s and verification equipment began to be produced in the USSR, electronics were gradually refreshed in them, the Indians sent for Artyom their P-27s for modernization, extension of terms even after the collapse of the Union, ordered new parties, etc.
            In turn, Vympelovskaya R-27s began to be produced after the collapse of the USSR, when the main production remained at the Artyom State Holding Company and a decision was made to organize its production.
            In the process of this organization, part of the parts and components were replaced with analogues of Russian production, or they were created from scratch, it is clear that the CD was partly redone for this, the GOS had its own and so on.
            Consequently, the Vympelovskaya and Artyomovskaya R-27 missiles are very similar, in structure, in control algorithms, in a scheme of application, in testing equipment, but they are not 100% interchangeable in terms of spare parts and components, they are very similar, but there is a difference.
            Something tells me that this is why the missiles were purchased from "Artyom". Now they urgently need to update the weapons of their fighters, well, and at least it is possible that the Russian side insisted on adding the R-73 to the contract for more advanced R-77E / 27 missiles, since this is also a political decision, then you have to pay for it ...
    2. Holgerton
      Holgerton 7 December 2020 15: 34
      +1
      And the information was not that "they are going to transfer 70% of the personnel to a one-day working week" since there are no orders on their sites, but then they fell silent when their Ministry of Defense said that they had increased the order for products in accordance with the state defense order and without Neptune. twice compared to 2020, and they do not understand why the Artyom State Holding Company makes such statements.
      Apparently someone decided to beg for more money.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 21: 13
      0
      Quote: uav80
      SJSC "Artem" switched to a one-day working week due to lack of orders for "Neptuns"

      The director of the Artem State Holding Company Vladimir Zimin told about this to Defense News.
      “Today we do not have large existing contracts for the state defense order, which could load our production capacities, although we have mastered and are ready to supply such necessary items as 152-mm projectile, OF29 projectile and RS-80 projectile for the MOU. Since the first quarter of 2021, Artem has been forced to transfer about 70% of its employees to a one-day work week. This is 1200 people, ”Zimin said.

      there is still a coronavirus as usual with the threat of a lockdown ..
  5. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 7 December 2020 15: 00
    0
    I wonder who (whose wife / mother) got a modest hut in Oslo?
  6. Mikhail S.
    Mikhail S. 7 December 2020 15: 04
    +3
    "brought to the Ukrainian that the boats planned for construction will be armed with the Norwegian anti-ship missiles, not the Ukrainian one."

    They did not agree, but simply presented it with a fact. Harpoon and the military-industrial complex of Ukraine are not interesting to anyone in the West.
  7. nobody75
    nobody75 7 December 2020 15: 13
    0
    Boats are being built for the Sea of ​​Azov. The British want to arrange a small "Persian Gulf". The war is near ...
    Sincerely
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 26
      +3
      On Azov, the "Persian Gulf" will work out for Ukrainian boats, since they will essentially be locked there. Exit from Azov to the Black Sea only through the place where the Kerch bridge stands.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 7 December 2020 15: 30
        -4
        For this it was built ...
        It is necessary to take Nikolaev and Mariupol.
        Sincerely
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 December 2020 15: 45
          -1
          Why do we need them now?
  8. Graz
    Graz 7 December 2020 15: 39
    -2
    but that is why ours cannot put pressure on the Norwegians so that they do not supply the Ukrainians with such weapons, this must be done both by hints and direct text and by activating our ships near their sea zone
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 7 December 2020 15: 47
      -1
      They want to buy from a ho ..., sorry, Ukrointsev, and disassemble ... See how it works ...
      Sincerely
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 December 2020 17: 24
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      but that is why ours cannot put pressure on the Norwegians so that they do not supply the Ukrainians with such weapons, this must be done both by hints and direct text and by activating our ships near their sea zone

      What and how are you going to put pressure on the NATO country and scare the US 6th Fleet (for which Norway is now the second home base after Mediterranean)?
      1. Graz
        Graz 7 December 2020 17: 51
        -1
        well there was one helgi ingstad, so we need to make another one to get it
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 21: 23
      0
      Quote: Graz
      but that is why ours cannot put pressure on the Norwegians so that they do not supply the Ukrainians with such weapons, this must be done both by hints and direct text and by activating our ships near their sea zone

      the question of how and why.
      Not to sell to an officially recognized country?
      Well, Ukraine is not under the sanctions of Norway and the world.
      RCC does not fall under the restrictions that Ukraine has signed.
      That is, there remain demands not to sell because of threats to the security of the Russian Federation. You can create a requirement. The Norwegians will consider. They will point to the first two points.
      Then you need to threaten, set an ultimatum. That is, a dead end. The Norwegians will send and be right. It's not the United States that demands them from them. And the United States has recently received a donut hole from Denmark for Greenland, so the devil himself is afraid of these Vikings.
      But trade wars with Norway are unprofitable for the Russian Federation. There the trade turnover is over a billion (1.6). Moreover, the balance is in favor of the Russian Federation. She sells raw materials and mineral products. And Norway equipment, ships and seafood.
  9. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 December 2020 15: 48
    0
    Yesterday someone in trousers convinced everyone that Neptune was already quite, quite ready, it was already ordered, trembling, retarded scoop))) Has it not grown together? Nefig Sumerians to name a spioneer ancient rocket in honor of alien gods. They would call Marduk ...
  10. cniza
    cniza 7 December 2020 15: 48
    +1
    You see, Neptune is a cool thing. I'm ready to order it today, but do you know how it ends? This will end with the saying that the General Staff very often changes the state defense order. Do you know why this happens? Because they can't give us what we ask for (...) So it's probably not even worth dreaming about a ship version yet


    High school student words set ...
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 21: 26
      0
      Quote: cniza
      High school student words set ...

      most likely a teenager with toxicosis.
      He needs a "woman" (weapons) here and now, preferably "undressed" (ready for mass production)
      and the "woman" to him and says, "de money"?
      He tells her that Rodaki will pay (financiers)
      Rodaks say that there is no money. (It is necessary to form the state defense order correctly)
  11. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 7 December 2020 16: 00
    +2
    That's right, they stole their money, "created" a wunderwaffe, now it's time to steal on Norwegian rockets. Buy for three prices, put it in the warehouse, and in a few years sell it to the left, and blow up the warehouse.
  12. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 December 2020 17: 29
    +1
    Something, the director of the Ilovaisk boiler, completely diverged, and the rod from him statements, forecasts and threats. Apparently, someone gave permission to steer.
    We once went fishing with a familiar pensioner. He stopped and said, they say tired, I will rest. One of us says - let me drive. Not embarrassed, the neighbor replied, - there is a second steering wheel in the trunk, take the steering wheels. For a laugh, he took ... it was necessary to see the faces of oncoming and overtaking, when a friend taxied with a full turn of the shoulders.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 December 2020 18: 47
      -2
      Not in ward number 404, the patients finally set up a queue for the next to make the orderlies laugh by the butt.
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 December 2020 18: 45
    -2
    Well, of course, a foreign country is obliged to build them themselves, or are inconceivably rich, or they cannot build and arm physically. And the main question is who will pay, so many healthy buds and black soil are no longer in the outskirts as they have been hired.
  14. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 21: 08
    0
    Khomchak expressed dissatisfaction with the real pace of development of the Neptune anti-ship complex.

    I carefully read this interview (thanks to the VO's habit of changing information, I have to go to the source).
    He wants 8 complexes here and now. Because he needs to train personnel, the place of deployment, radars and other things (infrastructure) At least he already needs 3-5. And Korostylev says that it takes 11 months to deliver the first. Neptune is ready, but production is not established.
    Khomchak as a military man wants complexes (he sends payment problems to financiers) already. Manufacturers say it takes time. The products are new.
    The military does not want to wait - motivated by war. Therefore, we are ready to get ready-made products from abroad.
    Norwegian RCC is the best European in its class. But the coastal complexes will wait from Korostylev. But for this time they will use Norwegian.
  15. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 8 December 2020 07: 04
    0
    Sewing with butter for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, the owners also want to eat and the defense industry needs to be fed with orders. I do not think that there are any problems with the placement of the Neptune PCR on ships if it is carried by wheeled vehicles. That's when the task is to do the opposite, this is a problem, since ships have a significantly higher carrying capacity, and the fact that for a ship a trifle for a car can be unrealistically difficult.