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The network is discussing Pashinyan's statement about electronic warfare systems that were not operational in Karabakh, acquired in 2017

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Experts are discussing a statement by the Armenian Prime Minister on why the skies over Nagorno-Karabakh continued to remain open during the hostilities. This issue is relevant at least due to the fact that drones actually reigned supreme in the skies over Karabakh, the use of which by Azerbaijan caused huge damage to the Armenian troops.


Trying to justify the actual inaction, Nikol Pashinyan said that the electronic warfare systems, purchased in 2017 for $ 42 million, allegedly did not work. At the same time, Pashinyan does not say against what specific goals the electronic countermeasures systems were tried to be used, from what distance and why nothing was reported about the "inoperability" in the military department. He also does not say what kind of electronic warfare systems he has in mind.

Pashinyan blamed the problem on those who made a deal to acquire "non-working" military equipment, and added that "there was even a rollback so that Su-30 fighters were supplied to Armenia instead of these systems."

Pashinyan:

Did you buy non-working systems without a rollback out of the best intentions and nobility?

Pashinyan's statement is commented on not only in Armenia itself, but also in Russia and Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani press, playing on the well-known phrase about the problems of a "bad dancer", noted with some irony that Pashinyan was "prevented from defeating the Russian weapon". Although Pashinyan did not say that he meant exactly Russian complexes.

In Russia, experts state that Pashinyan continues to try to shift the responsibility for the problems that arose in Karabakh onto others, including his predecessors who signed military-technical contracts.

Pashinyan's statement was reacted even in Poland, where observer Mateusz Kubiak notes that while Pashinyan continues to look for those responsible for the defeat in Karabakh, "his political fate is in the balance."

Earlier it was reported that the Armed Forces of Armenia and the Armed Forces of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic received their own Shgarsh jammers. When these systems were presented at one of the exhibitions, it was stated that with their use drones "lose the ability to navigate in space." The electronic warfare system developed in Armenia, as previously reported, allows "jamming the signal" at a distance of up to 30 km. In directional mode, signal jamming can be carried out at a distance of up to 60 km. In this regard, the network is discussing the question of where the Shgarsh electronic warfare system was, or did Pashinyan talk about it as not working during the conflict?
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 7 December 2020 07: 28
    +44
    Well, here it is again ... "his grenades are of the wrong system" (c) White sun of the desert.
    1. Finches
      Finches 7 December 2020 07: 35
      +60
      The answer lies on the surface - Pashinyan deliberately weakened the defense capability of Armenia to please the Anglo-Saxon masters who brought him to power during a coup d'etat! Russia has repeatedly pointed out to him the lag in the military-industrial potential and specifically in the air defense. But he put on an archeological face and answered with disdain that "abroad will help us" pointing his finger at the American embassy! In spite of personal sanctions against Azerbaijani goods, I am grateful to them somewhere for showing the Armenians the result of their creepy policy in front of the Anglo-Saxons and the betrayal of centuries-old friendship with Russia! And now Pashinyan will have anyone to blame, but not him - by the way, he looks like Kasparov - both in appearance, and the same clown and balabol! laughing
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 7 December 2020 08: 37
        +32
        Yes, I beg you, he will soon blame the sun for not blinding the enemy. Vile little man, ready to slander everyone, just to shield himself. Meanwhile, only he and his policy are to blame for what happened
        1. vlad106
          vlad106 10 December 2020 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Mitroha
          Yes, I beg you, he will soon blame the sun for not blinding the enemy. Vile little man, ready to slander everyone, just to shield himself. Meanwhile, only he and his policy are to blame for what happened

          got so many weapons for free and sprinkles with dr ... rm
      2. Vitold Godunov
        Vitold Godunov 7 December 2020 23: 05
        +3
        About the clown, I agree completely. Not an eagle, Pashik.
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 December 2020 23: 12
          0
          The time will come, I will lift the sanctions ... I'm not the State Department, I'm friends with my head, but so far!
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 7 December 2020 07: 35
      +18
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Well, here it is again ... "his grenades are of the wrong system" (c) White sun of the desert.

      Or maybe this is not the case? Or maybe the grant-eater Pashinyan continues his work to belittle Russia and glorify American democracy in Armenia? They say all the Russian stuff is low-grade, you need to fraternize with the West and get high-quality weapons and help from it?
    3. Civil
      Civil 7 December 2020 08: 15
      -3
      Nicolas, as a true democrat, immediately began to cling to power like Robert Mugabe) can they in vain call him a trash, maybe a normal one like Lukashenka? laughing
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 December 2020 08: 48
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Well, here it is again ... "his grenades are of the wrong system" (c) White sun of the desert.

      Good morning, Aleksey! hi
      Another thing is interesting to me - how the electronic warfare can effectively jam the control signal of the drone, if it immediately switches to the reserve one due to interference. I'm not even talking about the fact that it is encrypted and protected)).
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 7 December 2020 09: 13
        +14
        Look for the Autobase developers and ask them. ))
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 7 December 2020 09: 23
        +20
        Quote: Krasnodar
        if, due to interference, it immediately switches to the backup

        This is always provided for in electronic warfare systems. Modern complexes are capable of easily suppressing channels with a tuning frequency of up to 300 frequency hops per second. In addition, most of the electronic warfare systems are being developed to suppress manned aircraft. And there, the energy and protection systems are an order of magnitude better than in any UAV.
        Therefore, Pashinyan's statements speak only of the complete incompetence of his military advisers. In fact, the problem of suppressing UAVs is to protect the electronic warfare systems themselves. They are easily direction finding by means of electronic reconnaissance and immediately become the primary targets for all means of fire destruction.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2020 09: 44
          -4
          So Dron has the option to change channels indefinitely.
          1. itis
            itis 7 December 2020 15: 27
            +3
            to what infinity, actual or potential?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 December 2020 16: 20
              -4
              laughing
              Until Harop crashes into this electronic warfare system. And thus she will destroy him, by the way))
        2. mva
          mva 8 December 2020 11: 19
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Quote: Krasnodar
          if, due to interference, it immediately switches to the backup

          This is always provided for in electronic warfare systems. Modern complexes are capable of easily suppressing channels with a tuning frequency of up to 300 frequency hops per second.

          You are too optimistic about things. 300 hops per second is without a matching, i.e. with a deliberately reduced radiation power. Secondly, how will electronic warfare jump if the radiation is broadband (noise-like signal)? And noise-like signals are already used even in everyday life (CDMA cellular communication) /
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 8 December 2020 14: 15
            +4
            Quote: mva
            300 hops per second is without a matching, i.e. with deliberately reduced radiation power

            Why suddenly reduced power? Quite the opposite, jamming is done in pulses, therefore, while maintaining the average power, the pulse increases significantly. But there, in fact, everything is more complicated and it takes a long time to describe the algorithms and not here. Go to the appropriate military educational institution, they will tell you everything.
            Quote: mva
            how will electronic warfare jump if the radiation is broadband (noise-like signal)?

            Do not confuse noise-like and ultra-wideband signals.
            The first ones are easily detected and suppressed, even by serial jammers (http://www.bnti.ru/des.asp?itm=7035&tbl=04.03.06.01.&p=1).
            Second, it is difficult to detect, because over long distances, the UWB signal power is less than the thermal noise power of any receiver. But knowledge of some parameters of an ultra-wideband signal (direction to the transmitter or carrier frequency) still allows it to be detected and suppressed.
      3. Glory1974
        Glory1974 7 December 2020 09: 31
        +9
        how the electronic warfare can effectively jam the drone's control signal if it immediately switches to the standby signal due to interference. I'm not even talking about the fact that it is encrypted and protected)).

        The frequency range from and to is muted. Everything that gets into it is muffled. Including encrypted signals.
        For example, in the 08.08.80 war, the Georgians drowned out the range of 30-80 MHz, on which our infantry units worked, and they themselves worked at frequencies from 80 to 120 MHz.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2020 09: 52
          0
          From and to impossible))
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 7 December 2020 10: 19
            +7
            From and to impossible))

            practice shows that the use of broadband interference is possible. It does not give a 100% guarantee, it all depends on the hardware used. For example, an adversary can use a broadband signal for communication.
            In addition, you can use targeted interference on frequencies, blocking communication at certain frequencies for several seconds, which practically leads to the impossibility of transmitting messages.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 December 2020 10: 46
              -2
              Goes to spare
        2. mva
          mva 8 December 2020 11: 25
          +2
          Quote: glory1974

          The frequency range from and to is muted. Everything that gets into it is muffled. Including encrypted signals.
          For example, in the 08.08.80 war, the Georgians drowned out the range of 30-80 MHz, on which our infantry units worked, and they themselves worked at frequencies from 80 to 120 MHz.

          The 30-80 range cannot be drowned out with modern technology, the radiation power will not be enough. Individual signals in this range are muted. And he will be on horseback who has a higher frequency tuning rate, or who will use broadband (noise-like) radiation. Such radiation spit on electronic warfare, it's like in a hologram, if a part of the signal is damaged by electronic warfare, the signal is not jammed, but its quality is somewhat reduced.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 8 December 2020 13: 33
            +1
            The 30-80 range cannot be drowned out with modern technology, the radiation power will not be enough.

            The key phrase is "radiation power".
            At that time, the enemy had enough power to suppress tactical communications. But for example, they could not crush the radio stations of average power such as R-161 (If you understand what this is about).
            Individual signals in this range are muted.

            As a rule, there is not enough resource to suppress everything, so they first reconnoiter, then they press, and not in the entire range, because you can crush your own.
            from there will be on horseback who has a higher frequency tuning rate, well, or who will apply broadband (noise-like) radiation.

            or who uses anti-jamming signals, or signals with a recovery code or ......, in general, you can list a lot of technologies. The eternal struggle of sword and shield.
            if part of the signal is damaged by electronic warfare, the signal is not muffled, but its quality is somewhat reduced

            I'll upset you. The digital signal is so damaged by impulse noise that it cannot be reproduced at the point of reception, that is, it becomes useless.
      4. Horon
        Horon 7 December 2020 09: 49
        +11
        All channels are jammed, both main and backup. Protection can also be different, one from hacking, another from interference. A very powerful signal will overwhelm a weaker one, that is, it will stupidly break the connection or make it unstable. Even satellite navigation will stop working if the received channel is overloaded with a stronger signal. This can be observed when driving near high-voltage lines. Although the frequency there is only 50 hertz, it makes the reception of even megahertz bands unstable. But it's not just to suppress the signal, but to make even an encrypted signal unstable using low-power sources, or in general to intercept control is much more difficult - here it is already necessary to hack the data exchange system, and there will not be much talk about how this is done, but if the specialist does speak, then not everything but in general terms.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2020 09: 57
          -1
          Well, he will switch to a backup in case of interference, then what?
          1. Horon
            Horon 7 December 2020 10: 18
            +6
            The reserve channel is also jammed. The range on which the data exchange takes place is marked and interference or interception is also organized on it.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 December 2020 10: 19
              -4
              Goes to the next pseudo-random selection algorithm (in my opinion, that's what it's called) - and so on ad infinitum
              1. Horon
                Horon 7 December 2020 10: 57
                +15
                Don't read nonsense. Channels cannot be endless. They are limited by the ranges in which their transmit-receive channel operates. It is unlikely that it is wider than the range of electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems. In addition, the constant change of the range also makes the channel unstable. The data flow is interrupted, making the UAV control very difficult, you can not keep up with the changing situation and "oversleep" the most interesting. A powerful source of interference can suppress a very wide range of frequencies, making even coded communications unstable, losing any meaning in the received packets. But I think they are unlikely to use a clumsy method of suppression at the expense of power, in this method the distance to the source is of great importance. The drone can strike without entering the zone of loss of the communication channel.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 December 2020 12: 27
                  +1
                  It all works differently
                  There is guidance to a specific target
                  As soon as the electronic warfare begins to interfere with the UAV, it will be detected by another Drone - it glows like a Christmas tree and smudges it itself or points it at it with some kind of "Excalibur-Krasnopol"
                  1. Horon
                    Horon 7 December 2020 13: 12
                    +8
                    For this, there must be an air defense system. To dazzle the UAV is only half the battle, then the air defense system should work. In addition, the RER system should work, its task should include spotting the control post, since it also:
                    glows like a christmas tree

                    And it is used by aviation or tactical weapons. (If we are talking about UAVs that do not use satellite control channels)
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 December 2020 13: 18
                      -3
                      Yes, but again, it's not a trivial task to blind a normal UAV.
                      And their command posts also have their own air defense and have their own fighter aircraft.
                      1. Horon
                        Horon 7 December 2020 13: 37
                        +9
                        Did someone cancel the fight between sword and shield? Therefore, for more or less modern armies, drones are not self-sufficient, like air defense, they are only one of the tools of warfare.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 7 December 2020 15: 06
                        -2
                        That's right, drones are just a nice addition to existing weapons. At the current level of development of technologies, electronic warfare against them is ineffective. Like most air defense systems. So is jet aircraft. Therefore, the Israelis shot down an Iranian, for example, by helicopter. High-rise - Patriots. The outpost (Russian under an Israeli license) could not be shot down by either the Patriot or the F-16))))
                        Now amers are with Jews and not only they are thinking about the use of UAVs - interceptors that have yet to be developed laughing
                      3. no one
                        no one 7 December 2020 23: 14
                        +1
                        Turks too. They plan to put afar and air-to-air missiles on akyndzhi
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 7 December 2020 13: 00
              +4
              Quote: Horon
              The drone can strike without entering the zone of loss of the communication channel.

              You describe everything correctly, but even if the attack drone does not enter the zone of suppression of communication channels, then another drone conducting reconnaissance will still have to issue target designation to it. But its channels of control and information transmission can be suppressed, and then the launch of missiles from an attack UAV simply will not take place. Of course, this is all at the level of the theory of the use of complex complexes, but those who develop electronic warfare systems with us carefully study all ranges of work and types of signals that the enemy uses. And therefore, the dreams of some that it is possible to change the frequency of UAVs a lot and often are groundless - all ranges have long been mapped out between different weapon systems, and no one will allow "jumping" along their frequencies, because the damage to its own systems can be greater than the effect of hitting a single target by strike drones.
              1. mva
                mva 8 December 2020 12: 05
                +1
                Quote: ccsr

                And therefore, the dreams of some that it is possible to change the frequency of UAVs a lot and often are groundless - all ranges have long been mapped out between different weapon systems, and no one will allow "jumping" along their frequencies, because the damage to its own systems can be greater than the effect of hitting a single target by shock drones.

                These are not dreams, but reality from about the 80s of the last century. They jump and how, and on the machine (a person does not think) and hundreds of times per second.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 8 December 2020 12: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: mva
                  These are not dreams, but reality from about the 80s of the last century. They jump and how, and on the machine (a person does not think) and hundreds of times per second.

                  I know this without you, because at one time I worked with Voronezh residents on this subject in the VHF range forty years ago. But you simply do not take into account that if one station uses 100 frequencies, then with a large number of stations, they simply will not have enough range so as not to interfere with each other's work, i.e. and without the enemy's electronic warfare, the stable operation of electronic equipment will become problematic. And jamming at least 10-20% of the detected frequencies will immediately sharply reduce the stability of communication, especially when transmitting control signals.
                  Quote: mva
                  now in a trend (but not in the Russian Federation) noise-like signals for protection against electronic warfare.

                  You are clearly not in the subject - find the performance characteristics of the Okolysh product, find out when it appeared in service with the Soviet Army, and then you will be surprised, because we have already used this mode of operation more than forty years ago.
                  By the way, at the same time we also used broadband signals in certain HF radio communication systems - this is how we fought the enemy's electronic warfare.
          2. mva
            mva 8 December 2020 11: 29
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Goes to the next pseudo-random selection algorithm (in my opinion, that's what it's called) - and so on ad infinitum

            PPRCH (Pseudo-random restructuring of the operating frequency) is called, but PPRCH the same is jammed here the question is which of the opponents is able to rebuild the frequency faster. And PPRCH yesterday, now in a trend (but not in the Russian Federation) noise-like signals for protection from electronic warfare.
      5. rotfuks
        rotfuks 7 December 2020 14: 29
        +4
        I explain it on my fingers. You are cycling along a field road. There is a puddle on the road, you have chosen another road. Again a puddle. You have changed a dozen roads and ran into a puddle of 10x10 km. In principle, there is a road. But is it worth driving on it? Here is a 10x10 km puddle and this is broadband interference.
        1. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 8 December 2020 11: 19
          +2
          Do not forget about the interference power. I would compare it to the depth of a puddle. And it can be several kilowatts. laughing
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 8 December 2020 12: 25
            +3
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            Do not forget about the interference power. I would compare it to the depth of a puddle. And it can be several kilowatts.

            Some not only do not take this into account, but do not understand at all that in this way it is possible not only to interfere with the operation of the RES, but also to disable them for some time, especially if it is an aiming and narrowly targeted interference and power at the level of kilowatts.
        2. mva
          mva 8 December 2020 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: rotfuks
          I explain it on my fingers. You are cycling along a field road. There is a puddle on the road, you have chosen another road. Again a puddle. You have changed a dozen roads and ran into a puddle of 10x10 km. In principle, there is a road. But is it worth driving on it? Here is a 10x10 km puddle and this is broadband interference.

          The analogy is not true. You ran into a puddle, but it is 1 or 2..3. You can go on another road and the only question is who will cope faster, the enemy will pour a puddle on the new road or you will cross this place. Electronic warfare and modern communication is a race of speeds, who will quickly rebuild the frequency.
      6. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 8 December 2020 11: 09
        +3
        The frequency range at which the UAV control equipment operates can be quite wide, but not infinitely wide. And in order to drown out the control, you do not need to tune to the frequency that the drone is currently using every time. It is necessary that the signal level from the control center be below the level of interference that the EW complex puts. And they learned to put interference in a wide frequency range a very long time ago. Frequency hopping with coding is good when protection against interception of transmitted information is required, but it does not help from jamming.
        1. mva
          mva 8 December 2020 11: 37
          +1
          Quote: Servisinzhener
          The frequency range at which the UAV control equipment operates can be quite wide, but not infinitely wide. And in order to drown out the control, you do not need to tune to the frequency that the drone is currently using every time. It is necessary that the signal level from the control center be below the level of interference that the EW complex puts. And they learned to put interference in a wide frequency range a very long time ago. Frequency hopping with coding is good when protection against interception of transmitted information is required, but it does not help from jamming.

          Well, how can you enlighten when you learned how to jam in a wide range for a long time? Can you imagine the radiation power for this? And your messages are not correct. Frequency hopping no matter how protects the signal from interception, the frequency hopping exactly counteracts electronic warfare. The one who rebuilds the frequency faster is on a horse. Interception protection is already a ZAS. But the low-power scanning equipment is always orders of magnitude faster than the transmission equipment, so you cannot hide anything with the help of the frequency hopping.
          1. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 8 December 2020 12: 03
            +1
            Ever since they discovered ways to generate white noise and make vacuum tubes (in the common people, lamps) capable of delivering an output signal in kilowatts.
    5. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 7 December 2020 22: 26
      0
      magic words ukv? signal in pulse? diffuse transmission? but the meaning, and so it walks normally. and then already got out who got out there who drowned out something. By the way, the problem was in fact and even in the organizational sense of the KKA and fire on their own in the air defense.
  2. Captain45
    Captain45 7 December 2020 10: 25
    +5
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Another thing is interesting to me - how the electronic warfare can effectively jam the control signal of the drone, if it immediately switches to the reserve one due to interference.

    “Are you going to jam them?” Polyakov asked when Nikolsky hung up.
    - Certainly! .....
    “You didn’t quite understand what we are going to do, and you don’t have a good idea of ​​our possibilities,” Nikolsky noted with a smile. “We are preparing a completely unusual event! We are not talking about sighting, but about massed barrage radio interference. We are not going to jam individual waves, we will hammer with Morse code, we are blocking entire ranges tightly! We will have 44 shortwave radio stations at our disposal on three fronts, ”he said proudly. -All of them are equipped with fresh food, they will be ready, and when on command they fall out on the air - close! -there will be no cracks left! ... "(c) V. Bogomolov" In August XNUMXth "
    And although an excerpt from a work of fiction is given, I think that the technology and capabilities of the electronic warfare service have gone far enough from 1944.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 December 2020 10: 47
      +1
      You can, of course, but this is if you jam all communications, including your laughing
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 7 December 2020 11: 04
        +4
        Hi Albert hi By the way, it's very nice to read the comments of people who are in the topic. Put pluses.
        You, as a defector, need to be given more information ... otherwise, we will deport crying drinks
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 7 December 2020 11: 15
          +2
          You - I got into a stupor ... about recognizing the silhouette! I - found a way out ... I will be the silhouette of Medusa tongue today we will test it with Melky.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 December 2020 12: 29
            0
            Quote: Hunter 2
            You - I got into a stupor ... about recognizing the silhouette! I - found a way out ... I will be the silhouette of Medusa tongue today we will test it with Melky.

            Hammer in the Internet in English Iranian Sniper and Israeli Sniper
            Cut pictures
            https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/an-iranian-sniper-in-full-camouflage-takes-part-in-the-army-news-photo/86022354
            For example
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2020 12: 28
          +1
          And why is such a small country like Israel again so happy as Albert? laughing drinks
  3. AlexeyEg
    AlexeyEg 7 December 2020 13: 26
    +1
    In theory, they can record the signal .. and transmit it on the same frequency .. because they are known to GPS. Only I am sure the Turks have their own GPS operating at other frequencies .. and not from a satellite .. but for example from balloons.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 December 2020 13: 28
      0
      From some Boeing AWACS, most likely
  4. Albay
    Albay 7 December 2020 23: 31
    +2
    Greetings, I also don't understand how electronic warfare can jam control of drones. As for the war and Pashinyan, I think the biggest problem is not at all foreign policy steps, but the situation inside the country. Before the war and after the war, the conflict between the Karabakh Armenians and the Armenians of Armenia is clearly visible. Considering that before Pashinyan, the Karabakh governed the country clan, then the relationship between the two elites reached its climax. Reading how they water each other, it is clear that Pashinyan still enjoys quite a lot of support inside the country.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 December 2020 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: Albay
      Greetings, I also don't understand how electronic warfare can jam control of drones. As for the war and Pashinyan, I think the biggest problem is not at all foreign policy steps, but the situation inside the country. Before the war and after the war, the conflict between the Karabakh Armenians and the Armenians of Armenia is clearly visible. Considering that before Pashinyan, the Karabakh governed the country clan, then the relationship between the two elites reached its climax. Reading how they water each other, it is clear that Pashinyan still enjoys quite a lot of support inside the country.

      Good afternoon! hi
      Pashinyan there significantly reduced corruption, but in foreign policy he turned out to be a complete layman, which, in principle, is one of the reasons for Russia's very neutral position in the conflict
  • janin
    janin 7 December 2020 09: 28
    +16
    In my opinion, the characteristic given to the Armenians by the Armenian Yeghishe Charents .. -In us (Armenians), hypocrisy appears even in the womb. this phrase precisely defines the essence of this "politician"
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 7 December 2020 09: 39
      -5
      He apparently read a lot on the urakryakalok forums that as soon as the electronic warfare is turned on, all the drones will fall from the sky. We have 99% of such Pashinyans in the Moscow Region, and 40 percent of them.
      1. Horon
        Horon 7 December 2020 10: 28
        +9
        Quote: Imobile
        He apparently read a lot on the urakryakalok forums that as soon as the electronic warfare is turned on, all the drones will fall from the sky. We have 99% of such Pashinyans in the Moscow Region, and 40 percent of them.

        Judging by the critical attitude to the opinion of others, you are either a specialist in electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems, or a specialist in support of closed communication channels. If you are neither one nor the other, how are you different from the "urakryakalok"? Only that you represent the fans of "omnipotent" UAVs? winked
        1. Imobile
          Imobile 7 December 2020 14: 30
          -5
          My brother is an expert on these electronic warfare (and not only) the basics, he told me. In defense against electronic warfare, there will be no benefit from a word at all, and in an attack, very much nothing, it can interfere with the work and create discomfort for the defender (it is not necessary to exaggerate the effect either), but we do not use them for their intended purpose, for some reason on cars are put, but it is necessary on airplanes, could interfere with an attack in a few minutes until they are destroyed. And from "falling on the ground" nothing but laughter causes.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 December 2020 15: 10
            0
            They seem to want to develop a UAV with an electronic warfare system))
          2. Horon
            Horon 7 December 2020 19: 12
            -1
            It is precisely as the defensive functions of electronic warfare and electronic warfare that it possesses.
            interference make it difficult to work and create discomfort

            All of the above are only distracting characteristics, without real means of attack, it is nothing. And your brother is just as illiterate as you are.
            but we don't use them for their intended purpose, for some reason they put them on cars, but on planes, they could interfere with an attack in a few minutes until they are destroyed. And from "falling on the ground" nothing but laughter causes.

            Well, kindergarten, by God!
            1. Imobile
              Imobile 7 December 2020 20: 33
              -5
              It is precisely as the defensive functions of electronic warfare and electronic warfare that it possesses.

              Any electronic warfare will be destroyed after 5 minutes by radio-controlled missiles guided by an electronic warfare signalPOINT All your air defense was covered with a "copper basin" in 5 minutes.
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 7 December 2020 22: 29
                +2
                also say that the virus is smaller than the mask cell ... all scientists around the world will be surprised at you. that in all countries from the mass of diseases already the CENTURY is prescribed gauze from the FLU. the same Japanese showed their heads sneezing, if in the muzzle both that and that flies practically nothing, except for the lonely virus itself. and there "millions" and for a long distance.
              2. Horon
                Horon 7 December 2020 22: 49
                +1
                The radio-controlled missile is hit by an air defense system. Have you even finished school? You know absolutely nothing about the work of electronic warfare, REP and RER. According to your illiterate logic, it turns out that the UAV control module is also destroyed, because it is firing on the air like a television tower. The UAVs themselves, they use their communication to signal and use this signal to guide self-guided missiles, God himself ordered, but for some reason it is still considered difficult. Tolley sofa prevents you from becoming a weapons developer, or you didn't hold anything heavier than a mouse!
                1. Imobile
                  Imobile 8 December 2020 14: 55
                  -4
                  The UAV does not make sense to constantly flicker. Air defense is not capable of shooting down a missile directed by a signal from electronic warfare. Theoretically possible, but practically impossible. And even if the second will arrive.
                  1. Horon
                    Horon 8 December 2020 15: 14
                    +1
                    The UAV does not make sense to constantly glow.

                    And how, then, is the information transmitted in real time, which they transmit to the control module?
                    Air defense is not able to shoot down a missile guided by a signal from electronic warfare

                    It is magical and is hidden by an invisible hat.
                    Theoretically possible, but practically impossible.

                    Practically difficult, but impossible, and the electronic warfare can suddenly change the frequency, or even shut down altogether.
                    And even if the second one arrives

                    Into an electromagnetic bait for this case.
                    PS In radio engineering you are a layman, do not go into those things about which you have no idea.
  • ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 8 December 2020 13: 11
    0
    One gets the feeling that Mr. Pashinyan, pulling shit out of his new pants, is trying to smear those who are closer to him, but in general, like in a joke: Poroshenko woke up after the summit with a hangover, he was all bruised and said to the money manager, look what the Muscovites did, yeah, they answer you also shit in my pants.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2020 07: 32
    +3
    Somewhere there, someone there, something there ...
    The question is, what exactly was there, for specific faces?
    In general, it makes no sense to look for sense in that.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 December 2020 07: 36
    +6
    Well, of course, the Russians are to blame, nothing new.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 December 2020 07: 41
    +20
    Yes, they boasted, they boasted! This is what Leonid Nersisyan wrote in 2017 about the Army-2017 International Military-Technical Forum Army-2016
    The military-industrial complex of Armenia makes a qualitative leap: electronic warfare, laser weapons and UAVsThe capabilities of the Armenian Armed Forces in the field of electronic warfare are constantly growing
    In my opinion, the main novelty demonstrated by the Armenian developers was the “Shgarsh” jammer, created to suppress the signal from the GPS and GLONASS navigation satellites. Under such conditions, a significant part of modern military equipment (especially high-precision ammunition) loses many of its capabilities, and the same unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) completely lose the ability to navigate in space (for some time they can be guided by an inertial system, but its low accuracy does not allow do this for more than a few minutes, especially in the presence of wind). The Armenian electronic warfare system (EW) is capable of operating in two modes, depending on the connected antenna - either damping the signal in a circle with a radius of up to 30 km (according to the developer), or in a sector of 60 degrees horizontally and 40 degrees vertically. In the directional mode, according to the Armenian specialist, the GPS signal can be jammed at a distance of up to 60 km. The system itself is small and quite mobile. In a mountainous landscape, when installing antennas at heights, it is possible to turn off GPS far above the enemy's territory (in directional mode), significantly impairing the coordination and orientation of enemy troops and complicating the effective use of reconnaissance UAVs. The structure of the interference is not simple - it is identical to the wanted signal, which often does not allow the satellite navigator to determine the fact that it is jammed.

    It is important that "Shgarsh" has already been adopted and is being used by the Armed Forces of Armenia and the Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR JSC). Against the background of deliveries of modern Russian electronic warfare systems "Infauna" and R-325U, Armenia gains a serious advantage over neighboring Georgia and Azerbaijan in terms of its capabilities for conducting electronic warfare.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2020 08: 14
      +10
      If all of the above (purchased and developed) really did not work, then this is a signal - an answer to those who continue to be skeptical about the UAV in the comments, while simultaneously praying for electronic warfare systems.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 December 2020 08: 32
        +8
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        If all of the above (purchased and developed) really did not work, then this is a signal - an answer to those who continue to be skeptical about the UAV in the comments, while simultaneously praying for electronic warfare systems.

        Was there a boy?
        What can generally confirm the words of Pashinyan, now he wants to stay in his chair and say something different.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 December 2020 08: 47
          -2
          Quote: APASUS
          Was there a boy? What can even confirm Pashinyan's words,

          Azerbaijan UAVs
          1 R-330P Piramida-I: (1, destroyed)
          1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)



          According to the statements of Hakobyan (the former head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Armenia), after the start of the operation of the electronic warfare "Pole-21E" complex, the Turks and Azerbaijanis could not use their UAVs normally for 4 days. On the 5th day, they apparently picked up the keys to the operation of the system (Akopyan does not explain what happened) and were able to resume the combat work of the UAV.
          Ps during these 4 days there were strong clouds.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 7 December 2020 09: 12
            0
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik

            Azerbaijan UAVs
            1 R-330P Piramida-I: (1, destroyed)
            1 Repellent-1: (1, destroyed)

            And how can you determine from your photos that the station is on alert?
            1. Kot-54rus
              Kot-54rus 7 December 2020 09: 54
              +13
              She is not even there, in the photo is already destroyed repellent, they destroyed it with an artillery strike according to the data of ordinary intelligence. The UAV never got close to it.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 7 December 2020 09: 15
      +7
      Apparently the guys turned on the jammers and saw that the cell phones were dead. And this type of communication is now the main one in all armies of the world. Nobody uses any of their own or someone else's pretentious developments, everyone just calls each other. No cellular connection - no. So the Armenians turned off their miracle jammers)
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 7 December 2020 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir61
      The military-industrial complex of Armenia makes a qualitative leap: electronic warfare, laser weapons and UAVs The capabilities of the Armenian Armed Forces in the field of electronic warfare are constantly growing

      People of the older generation remember how, back in Soviet times, the Armenians dreamed of creating an almost all-Union center for research and creation of the latest computers, and petitioned the USSR Academy of Sciences and the Soviet government for the allocation of budget funds. Moreover, the Ministry of Defense seriously considered the application for the creation of a military engineering school of radio electronics in Yerevan, but as they say in Soviet times, not everyone was stupid and understood that nothing would come of this venture, but budget money would disappear.
      So when someone talks about the "qualitative leap of Armenia", I immediately remember New-Vasyuki and Pashinyan in the image of O. Bender - they cannot come up with anything new, but even the war did not teach them to lie to themselves.
    4. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 8 December 2020 12: 15
      0
      They forgot that in addition to GPS, there is also inertial navigation that cannot be drowned out.
  • prior
    prior 7 December 2020 07: 41
    +8
    Old man Soros is such a nondescript peasant. And how shit all over the world.
    Here is Pashinyan, a nestling of the Soros nest, the same.
    I am surprised at the Armenians, who have not yet disassembled this figure for spare parts.
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 7 December 2020 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: prior
      Old man Soros is such a nondescript peasant. And how shit all over the world.

      laughing laughing laughing
      How to defeat a nuclear power without firing a single shot? We just need our enemies to become our "friends" ... lol
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 7 December 2020 09: 48
      +3
      The team he created once is shit. And I'm sure there are enough bright people there ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 December 2020 07: 42
    +8
    Reb rebu strife, like UAVs, are also different. Did they think that one system is a panacea for everything? And will he put a drone with Ali and a raptor at the door of the house?
    1. Horon
      Horon 7 December 2020 11: 08
      +2
      Apparently many people think so and not only electronic warfare and electronic warfare. Apparently many people think that the drone bought on aliexpress works the same way as a heavy American UAV, only the dimensions are smaller. Hence sometimes the reasoning about a swarm of small drones, with the characteristics of heavy attack UAVs. Opponents are also trying to evaluate the effectiveness of electronic warfare and electronic warfare by their experience of communicating with small drones. winked
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 7 December 2020 07: 48
    +18
    Why don't Armenians recognize the status of Karabakh (Artsakh)? This is not a rhetorical question! Armenians on every corner talk about the "sanctity" of this territory and do not recognize it in any way. A cowardly and mean position!
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 09: 27
      +1
      because this is practically a guaranteed full-fledged war with Azerbaijan without the support of Russia.
      For Armenia, this means at least the end of the economy. They have no opportunity to defend Karabakh in any case.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 7 December 2020 07: 49
    +5
    Pashinyan's main weapon is the people who voted for him.
    Here's to whom you need to make a claim. All sorts of fiery oppositionists and public figures.
    Anyway, where in the History of the evidence of victorious wars in Armenia, have there ever been such? What does Armenian mythology say about this?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 7 December 2020 07: 54
    +12
    In addition to the non-working electronic warfare systems, Pashinyan also said this:
    Yes, we had to buy everything that has not been purchased in the last 20 years. Yes, we haven’t done it in two years, but why didn’t you do it in 18–20 years? And why were you able to buy islands, mansions, houses abroad, save money in Swiss banks? "

    Shall we refute too?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 December 2020 07: 55
    +3
    The monkey with the grenade only triggered the fuse.
    1. Cuba
      Cuba 7 December 2020 08: 06
      +2
      And then, just ruined the air!
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 7 December 2020 08: 24
    +1
    Yes, about the "bad dancer" that's for sure ...
  • Graz
    Graz 7 December 2020 08: 31
    0
    with the search for the guilty, Pashinyan will sink himself faster, he must not look for the guilty, but think about the structural reform of the army, it is obvious that there is little professionalism in the headquarters, and in line units, it is necessary to send officers for retraining to Russia, it is necessary to ask instructors to send for the junior command staff , deal with refugees from Karabakh, their problems, wounded and captured by the military and peace initiatives to de-escalate the situation in the region

    even this
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 December 2020 08: 41
    +1
    Pashinyan's statement about non-operational electronic warfare systems in Karabakh, acquired in 2017
    Yes, they rubbed off everything that was bad. And then: "It won't start!" request
  • Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev 7 December 2020 08: 43
    0
    Pashinyan did not know that the electronic warfare systems had to be turned on, and then they would work.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 December 2020 11: 50
      -2
      Yeah, they forgot to add a specially trained person to this box with light bulbs.))))
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 7 December 2020 08: 45
    +6
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    this is a signal - a response to those who continue to be skeptical about the UAV in the comments, while at the same time praying for electronic warfare systems.

    Exactly! And I have repeatedly gutted on page-x VO that it is not worth relying entirely and "unconditionally" on the omnipotence of electronic warfare, as on the Great God Monita! Electronic warfare means are means of passive fight against UAVs, aviation ammunition and manned aircraft ... let them be, but you should not rely on them as a "wunderwaflu"! The organization of the fight against guided munitions and aircraft of "all stripes" must necessarily be comprehensive (!) And include, in addition to "passive" means, also "active" ..... that is, weapons that destroy "physically" attackers facilities ! As they say, hope for electronic warfare, but don't mess with the antiaircraft gun! (personally, I am more "sympathetic" to the "active" struggle ... the destruction of the enemy's means of attack ...)
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 7 December 2020 12: 18
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      hope for electronic warfare, but don't mess with the antiaircraft gun

      Anti-aircraft guns ... development ... but when in the troops ...
      The other day - "It is assumed that after entering the position of the combat vehicle will be assigned an observation sector and a range of heights," the sources said. The calculation can only bring the "Birds" to the position. After that the complex goes into combat mode. The capabilities allow the ECO to find and confidently work with detected targets day and night in any weather conditions. And even when the enemy is trying to "blind" the optics from using a laser or false interference .... for self-defense, combat vehicles will receive a remote-controlled machine-gun installation. " https://iz.ru/1095549/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/v-setiakh-ptitcelova-pvo-vooruzhat-zenitnymi-kompleksami-avtomatami
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 7 December 2020 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Electronic warfare means are means of passive combat against UAVs, aviation ammunition and manned aircraft.

      In general, in the electronic warfare service, the R and RTR means that they use are considered passive. But all sources of radiation are active means of struggle, at least so it was commonly believed. That is why it is important for EW not only to detect radiation sources in advance without unmasking oneself, but also to use active systems so as not to harm their own people and not get hit by the enemy in the first place.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      I gutted on page-x VO that one should not rely entirely and "unconditionally" on the omnipotence of electronic warfare, as on the Great God Monita

      Indeed, such an approach would lead to disaster, if only because the enemy, knowing our methods of struggle, would simply hunt for these relatively small army units and destroy them in the first place.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 December 2020 18: 41
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        In general, in the electronic warfare service, the R and RTR means that they use are considered passive. But all sources of radiation are active means of struggle, at least this is accepted

        I "heard" about it ... but here I used concepts in the proper sense ... that's why I enclosed the words "active-passive" in quotation marks ... and where there are no quotation marks, I got distracted ... forgot to put it!
  • Dikson
    Dikson 7 December 2020 08: 58
    +11
    You can sneer at the Armenians and their defeat in Karabakh as much as you like, considering them inept warriors and continuing to praise our weapons, or you can remember how in a dense year Israel, with the help of UAVs and aviation, gouged the Syrian air defense to smithereens, armed, oddly enough, again with our weapon ... History has repeated itself practically. It's just so awkward to admit, isn't it? For some reason, people who write here consider military specialists and weapons developers in other countries to be mediocre and idiots ... Remember, in the end, that we are 25 years behind in the design, production and use of UAVs .. And then be malicious. In general, it turns out funny in our country - some are imprisoned for espionage and betrayal, while the latter calmly trade in the latest systems, selling them to a potential enemy.
    1. Kart
      Kart 7 December 2020 09: 06
      -4
      So you have nothing in your country, everything has been sold long ago.
      Come visit us in Russia. To see.
    2. Salty
      Salty 7 December 2020 09: 20
      -3
      Quote: Dikson
      you can recall how in a primeval year Israel, with the help of UAVs and aviation, smashed the Syrian air defense system to smithereens, armed, oddly enough, again with our weapons ...

      Technique in the hands of the insane ... nothing (s)

      Quote: Dikson
      we are 25 years behind in the design, production and application of UAVs ..

      Yah? Exactly? wink

      Quote: Dikson
      calmly trade the latest systems, selling them to a potential enemy.

      They trade heavily curtailed "systems". If you don't even know that, what is the speech about then? Clean up only if ...
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 7 December 2020 11: 07
        +4
        Salty, no, not exactly. Count how many years the United States and Israel have been using UAVs, and count the number of "serious" UAVs in ours and their aircraft .. At least approximately ..))) Cut-down systems are a decrease in the range of a missile defense system, for example, Reduction of the radar range .. But there are quite certain characteristics that remain unchanged ... because it is they that make our air defense systems "unparalleled in the world" .. An example is the strange trouble that happened with the missiles for the S-400, sold to Chinese comrades .. I had to drown on the way .. - the wrong batch was sent by accident .. However, each of us will have his own opinion. You will think about the invincibility and superpowers of domestic systems, and I will think about the fact that neither science nor intelligence knows the concept of a day off, and venality is a distinctive feature of most people ..
        1. Salty
          Salty 7 December 2020 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Dikson
          neither science nor intelligence knows the concept of a day off

          A plus )

          Quote: Dikson
          and venality is the hallmark of most people ..

          Today's leader suits me perfectly in this regard. Gorbachev, for example, did not suit. Categorically)

          What I see and what I think - you are not given to know, excuse me ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 09: 06
    +2
    Pashinyan said: The Krasukh electronic warfare (EW) systems purchased in 2017 for $ 42 million failed to show their effectiveness during the conflict in Karabakh. Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan stated this in Yerevan during his address to the people with full responsibility. In response to accusations that the authorities could not close the airspace, he stressed that the electronic warfare systems designed to do this simply did not work. Especially with regard to Azerbaijani shock drones. ....- The weakest point of any weapon is its misuse.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 09: 07
    +1
    Another Ashot has someone wearing harem pants. laughing
  • Galleon
    Galleon 7 December 2020 09: 09
    +2
    The network is discussing ...
    Are they discussing a replica of a politician in mild hysteria about electronic means? Perhaps it is better to listen to those who are in charge of the calculations of these complexes, what he will say about the purpose of the purchased funds, the training of the l / s in their use and maintenance, the placement of antenna posts during the OBD - were the targets in the zone of the electronic warfare means. Or the electronic warfare means were deployed in Armenia, and the UAVs were working on Karabakh, right?

    This is not a subject for discussion, gentlemen. If the Armenian chief of the main headquarters or the flagship rebel spoke on this topic, there would be something to think about.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 December 2020 09: 29
    +1
    It seems to me that Pashinyan does not even understand what he is talking about. After all, you need to be able to work with technology, and not just turned the switch, but then everything works by itself. This is not a light bulb.
  • nivander
    nivander 7 December 2020 09: 41
    +1
    Logan won't start
  • horror
    horror 7 December 2020 09: 48
    +1
    With his false statements, he discredited himself for a long time, so his information should be treated with caution (to put it mildly)
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 December 2020 10: 59
    +2
    Trying to justify actual inaction ...
    And what is left for the magpie to do? By hook or by crook, try to shift the blame from a sore head to a healthy one. Maybe "hanging by firing squad" will be replaced. But some part of the Armenians believes that these Russian weapons failed and did not allow them to win.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 December 2020 11: 15
    +4
    Armenia broke down. Let's get a new one.
  • uralant
    uralant 7 December 2020 11: 40
    +2
    Well, all he has to do now is to speak, though, besides that, he can't do anything else.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 12: 39
    +2
    All literate people warned that it would be exactly as it happened in the end ...
    So it is interesting - will there be a sufficient number of adequate people in Armenia, or will they continue to jump and shout until the country is completely liquidated? .....How long? As soon as he let go a little, the Crafty immediately again began to maneuver his backs between the chairs. laughing
  • ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 7 December 2020 13: 56
    0
    I just have one question. How is this comrade Pashinyan still the leader ?? After such a shame and defeat, he must either be overthrown or he himself will self-destruct ... But he is like water from a Goose .. Apparently the State Department did everything right. Checked out ...
    1. Gaiful
      Gaiful 8 December 2020 19: 22
      0
      Once again, the peoples of the USSR saw that real professionals work in the State Department, unlike the USSR. Learn, students and stop crowing, it won't help you!
  • Viktor Stepanov
    Viktor Stepanov 7 December 2020 16: 12
    0
    To a bad dancer ...
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 7 December 2020 17: 57
    0
    A true Sorovets know how to change shoes in a jump. Or else he will say when he gets his breath from fear.
  • kava61
    kava61 7 December 2020 19: 23
    0
    Again, Pashinyan begins to play someone's game, will finish badly.
  • Mechanic
    Mechanic 8 December 2020 05: 57
    +1
    If UAVs are so omnipotent, Khmeimim would have been gouged long ago. But something doesn't work
    1. mva
      mva 8 December 2020 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Mechanic
      If UAVs are so omnipotent, Khmeimim would have been gouged long ago. But something doesn't work

      Nobody attacked Khmeimim with combat drones, only with homemade crafts with Ali.
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 8 December 2020 10: 12
    0
    We already know how they used the C300. The aborigines burned the C300, and Russia is to blame)))
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 December 2020 12: 53
    +2
    I say a rat. Sold the Armenians with giblets, Karabakh about ... fukat and still looking for the guilty tailed.
  • flight attendant
    flight attendant 8 December 2020 14: 18
    0
    He needs to work out these grants when his hands are straight, everything works. Somehow, at the end of the 70s. They took a rocket system into the Armed Forces. And for some reason it was during the day, I got into a non-radio Bering "VANDERBERG" and although the area was closed, he grazed telemetry there to write from blocks In addition to the three main ones for telemetry, they singled out and jammed, and no matter what he wrote, there was a state acceptance and this is all on the ears. This time at the heights of An26, An12 and above all Tu16. It is assumed that these did not even know ... why them They drove An26 at the level of almost a side in a circle, a trough of course healthy, shabby of course, but during the launch he left the position, i.e. we did not allow to record, but the device was with a diplomat.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 December 2020 19: 00
    0
    Hochma here also lies in the fact that everyone thought by default at the Russian electronic warfare stations. Which, as it were, says - except for the Russians, no one has these workers at all winked
  • Gaiful
    Gaiful 8 December 2020 19: 19
    0
    I immediately remember the saying about the dancer and his balls. For some reason, the people who choose the journalist and stage actors as leaders always live not well, but badly. I do not know what this is connected with, maybe with the wrong democracy of these peoples.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 December 2020 19: 44
    +1
    Probably the electronic warfare systems signed the surrender protocol, in the place of Pashinyan?
  • Poetry
    Poetry 8 December 2020 21: 42
    0
    In December 1988, Armenia shook. I did military service in the ranks of the SA and was sent on a business trip to Spitak. In a nearby tent lived a literate man from the USSR Ministry of Defense, who was a member of a special commission. One day, quite by accident, I overheard him talking with his colleague. The essence of this conversation boiled down to the fact that the panels of the five-story buildings in Spitak did not comply with GOST, in other words, they had a lot of sand and little cement. It was a shock for me, because I saw the result with my own eyes. For a long time I dreamed of a square filled with new coffins ...
    What Pashinyan performs is from the same opera.