UAV "Okhotnik" will increase the safety of the Su-57 fighter during combat operations - Latin American military observer

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The Latin American press discusses the prospects for the Russian heavy strike drone "Hunter". Military observer Juan Carlos Benavides notes that Russia may soon become the first country in the world to use drones as a means of air interception.

At the same time, an observer from Argentina writes that such an option for using a shock drone able to improve the safety of the Su-57 fighter. In particular, we are talking about tests that showed that the Russian Aerospace Forces are going to use a fifth-generation fighter in conjunction with an UAV. When performing a real combat operation, the "Hunter" will be able to attack enemy air assets that pose a direct threat to the Su-57 fighter. At the same time, the collection of information can be carried out in a kind of cooperation mode: both by the Su-57 itself and the Okhotnik UAV, which in general will increase efficiency in the exchange of relevant data and in making a particular decision.



In the comments to Benavides' publication, Argentine users suggested paying more attention to modern Russian weapons in terms of the possibility of acquiring them. In particular, it is noted that "it is time to overcome the British blocking of the full development of the armed forces." In Argentina, many believe that the loss of the San Juan submarine during its passage "was not without British intervention."

Recall that between Argentina and Britain, the issue of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) remains an acute issue of relations.
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  1. -1
    6 December 2020 09: 54
    He would have been adopted from the beginning, and then it will be seen already.
    1. +4
      6 December 2020 09: 58
      Well, if the Argentinean experts, they are light-headed, they will definitely accept it, do not go to the grandmother .. laughing
      1. -1
        6 December 2020 10: 07
        But they definitely won't buy)) It will cost money and sanctions))
        1. +1
          6 December 2020 10: 11
          Quote: ximkim
          But they definitely won't buy)) It will cost money and sanctions))

          So they do not always take money for military aviation, it used to be a palm tree, they changed .... the Argentines also have goods, delivery channels have already been established .. lol And the sanctions, yes, with such a product is finally a funny trifle .. laughing
          1. 0
            6 December 2020 10: 13
            Quote: Pilot
            Quote: ximkim
            But they definitely won't buy)) It will cost money and sanctions))

            So they do not always take money for military aviation, sometimes they change a palm tree ... Argentines also have goods, delivery channels have already been established .. lol And the sanctions, yes, with such a product is finally a funny trifle .. laughing

            Better to be calculated with the elven currency - gold)
            1. -1
              6 December 2020 10: 16
              Quote: ximkim
              Better to be calculated with the elven currency - gold)

              The profitability of the gold is not the same. wink
      2. +1
        6 December 2020 13: 18
        Military columnist Juan Carlos Benavides He doesn't understand anything in modern Combat Information Systems .. The simplest combat link of the lower level, like a UAV-LA, is interpreted by him as an outstanding achievement ... It is ridiculous and primitive, however, he repeats the joyful conclusions of our "pseudo-analysts" about a historical achievement ... These parrots are already out! Praising this common and simple interaction, they sign their own ignorance and cave ...
        And the plane is needed with two pilots, here, in this bundle, the Su-30 is preferable ...
        1. +1
          6 December 2020 20: 18
          That's right, colleague, hi Instead of creating a unified information space that increases the situational awareness of all database participants: flying, crawling, floating, we try to equip every small object, be it a tank or an aircraft, with our own reconnaissance means. As a result, having spent colossal money, we will get a lot of "under-intelligence".
    2. +7
      6 December 2020 10: 01
      The Malvinas Islands even sound prettier than the Falkland Islands. Yes
      1. -1
        6 December 2020 10: 37
        They could not defend the Malvinas Islands because they sent Buratin there.
    3. 0
      6 December 2020 10: 09
      So earlier there was already a message about the possible sale of the Su-24M for Argentina, but something did not grow together.
      1. -1
        6 December 2020 10: 11
        Apparently they are worried about the reaction of the democratic world, so they did not buy ..
  2. -3
    6 December 2020 09: 54
    We know this even without the Latin Americans .. This is a new concept of military operations! Russia has many more surprises, give time for us "gentlemen" So that there is no war!
    1. +2
      6 December 2020 13: 29
      Where did you see the new concept? Do you have any idea what modern information systems are? What is a network-centric approach to warfare? What are the surprises? Did the caveman see the phone?
  3. +8
    6 December 2020 09: 54
    I wonder what a Burkina Faso observer will say
    1. 0
      6 December 2020 10: 03
      Quote: Ryaruav
      I wonder what a Burkina Faso observer will say

      You shouldn't be so. The great thing about reviewers is that they bring up sometimes sensitive topics. This one also calls for a closer look at the possibility of Russian-Argentine military cooperation against the background of even not considering such an option by the pro-American Argentine elite.
    2. -2
      6 December 2020 10: 38
      It is not necessary to expect serious analysis from the countries of the victorious democracies.
  4. 0
    6 December 2020 09: 55
    What will the "hunter" cover? What is not! And he himself will fly for several years. Cover yourself. It's all ridiculous!
    1. -7
      6 December 2020 10: 13
      How is it not? What world do you live in? Trials of the Su-57 have been going on since January 2010. The funny thing is that you don't know this, or pretend you don't know.
      MOSCOW, November 2. / TASS /. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will receive the first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, in December during a single day of acceptance of military products. This was reported to TASS on Monday by a source in the military-industrial complex.

      "In December of this year, during a single day of acceptance of military products, the military department will receive the first serial Su-57 with a standard engine of the first stage, in 2021 - four more such aircraft," the source said.

      According to him, in the future, the rate of delivery of the Su-57 to the military department will increase up to 15 vehicles per year. "As a result, the contract signed in 2019 for 76 Su-57s until 2028 will definitely be fulfilled on time," the source said.

      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9891981
      1. +6
        6 December 2020 11: 15
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Su-57 tests have been going on since January 2010.

        Really funny.
        For comparison, during this time 3 (three !!!) modifications of the F-15 were made.
        And for us there is nothing funny here, and, unfortunately, is not expected.
        Thank God, they guessed to bring the SU-30 up to the level of the SU-35, and even that one has been in the series for 12 years already, it would also need to be updated a couple of times.
        1. -1
          6 December 2020 12: 09
          Ask how many years the Americans have been creating their F-35. The project started back in the 90s and only relatively recently the Americans began to receive combatant F-35s. Is it funny too? That the Su-57, that the F-35 are new generations of fighters. And in order to create a new generation it takes a lot of time, since everything is there from scratch. And you give me an example of modifications of the F-15. So we, too, during this time put into operation, so to speak, modifications of the Su-27, such as the Su-30SM, Su-35S, Su-34.
          1. +1
            6 December 2020 12: 47
            You are naive in your faith! The F-35 has already produced about six hundred vehicles! 600 !!! And before that, even the F-22! Here even local uryakals have already resigned themselves to the fact that the epic from the su-57 is shameful and funny! And you seem to be shrieking in a cube! :))) Well! Without people like you, life will be boring! Uryayayayaya;)))
            1. -3
              6 December 2020 12: 55
              The epic of the Su-57 will begin with the arrival of the first serial machine in the troops in December 2020 and will continue with the serial production of the Su-57, which will increase from year to year. The Americans managed to produce the F-35 since they began its development in the early 90s, and the project The PAK FA (aka Su-57) was launched somewhere in 2002. These are the facts. The same time as it took us and the Americans to develop the F-35. And here you are carrying some kind of childish nonsense about mythical uryakolok. We got it already with our baby labels. It would be better to get acquainted with the topic, but thought about it with their brains.
              1. -1
                6 December 2020 13: 09
                Both projects started at about the same time! And ours and amerovsky! This is 2001! So, don't la-la! About the fact that the Americans began developing the car in the early 90s! Tell yourself in front of the mirror! Lying is not good! I congratulate you on the beginning, especially your sir, sous-57 epppopes !!! Uryayayayayaya !!! ;)))
                1. +1
                  6 December 2020 13: 28
                  In 2001, the choice of the design of the future aircraft was made after JOINT TESTS of the prototypes of the X-32 and X-35 fighters. The choice in 2001 fell on the X-35. But these prototypes had to be drawn, recreated in metal and tested But the Su-57 began to draw only in 2002 for your information. The first flight of the Su-57 (then PAK FA) in January 2010. The X-35 (prototype F-35) flew already in 2001. Below is a quote from Wikipedia. ...
                  The choice of the F-35 design was made in 2001 as a result of a JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) competition between Boeing (Model X-32) and Lockheed Martin (Model X-35). The program provided for the creation of a single model of a fighter for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps with the possibility of a short takeoff, as well as vertical takeoff and landing to replace the F-16, A-10, F / A-18, AV-8B. It was also supposed to replace the British Sea Harrier. McDonnell Douglas' third model was rejected due to the complexity of the design.

                  Joint tests of the X-32 and X-35 showed a clear advantage of the latter: it demonstrated takeoff from a 150 m long platform, developed supersonic speed, landed and took off vertically. One of the main advantages was named the method of creating vertical thrust: a special lifting fan on the X-35, and not taking the air flow from the external circuit of the main engines, as on the X-32, which forced the engine to be installed in the center of mass, and the nozzles were close to the air intakes. which led to the danger of exhaust gases entering the engine and a significant decrease in thrust.

                  https://ru-wikipedia-org.turbopages.org/ru.wikipedia.org/s/wiki/F-35
  5. +2
    6 December 2020 10: 01
    In particular, it is noted that "it's time to overcome the British blocking of the full development of the armed forces"
    And how will the heavy attack drone "Hunter" help here?

    Well, the Argentines will buy it ... then what?
    After all, its application presupposes a whole range of infrastructure measures ... who will be the operator? He still needs to be trained ... all this costs a lot of money which Argentina does not have ... in general, some questions. what
    In general, the concept of using the Hunter as a whole on the battlefield is not clear yet.
    1. +1
      6 December 2020 10: 39
      Especially in the south of the continent.
    2. -1
      6 December 2020 20: 23
      And we will give them an interest-free loan, and then write it off! Those. we will do everything ourselves at our own expense. This is such a business model.
  6. +8
    6 December 2020 10: 04
    The Su-57 has not yet entered service, the Hunter UAV is a prototype, and Juan Carlos is already fighting them in Latin America.
  7. +5
    6 December 2020 10: 07
    "Stretch your legs over your clothes." With a limited budget, human and material resources, it is necessary first of all to take into account the price / efficiency ratio of weapons. To expect a miracle from single samples of superweapons is self-deception.
  8. +4
    6 December 2020 10: 12
    Despite the difficult economic situation, Argentina even exports gold. So the country has the possibility of a full-fledged exchange. And we already have a couple to change the tactics of relations with partners, otherwise they have already beguiled the shores
  9. +9
    6 December 2020 10: 39
    The Latin American press is discussing the prospects for the Russian heavy attack drone "Okhotnik".

    Let's better talk about football! crying
    1. -1
      6 December 2020 11: 53
      Let's better talk about football!

      smile What a pain, what a pain, Argentina-Jamaica - 5: 0!
  10. -7
    6 December 2020 10: 46
    Drying plus 2-3 UAVs with their missiles is equal to more missiles per potential enemy fighter. I believe this is the vector of development for the hunter today.
  11. +3
    6 December 2020 10: 58
    ... And more to the news about the UAV ... The Turks today announced that they had taught their Bayraktar to deceive the S-400 system., Previously kindly provided to them by money-hungry blunt-headed Russians .. The Israelis boasted that they had reprogrammed their kamikaze drone for successful destruction the Russian electronic warfare system "Krasukha-4", which showed its parameters during the Karabakh conflict ... Glory to our sellers of the latest military equipment!
    1. +1
      6 December 2020 11: 00
      Quote: Dikson
      The Turks said today that they taught their Bayraktar to deceive the S-400 system

      And on the fence "bolt" is written winked

      Quote: Dikson
      previously kindly provided to them by money-hungry dumb-headed Russians

      Minus, call me ... I don’t like racism and blacks, I don’t like khokhlov (not Ukrainians, not to be confused!). Good luck request
      1. +2
        6 December 2020 11: 16
        Excuse me, but now to call those who live in our country Russians is also racism? All of you gentlemen have played too much with your tolerance ... Here's a discovery made by our Federation Council .. -It turns out that the US State Department since 1990 considers the residents of Russia born in the South Kuriles to be Japanese citizens .. With all the benefits for obtaining Green Cards .... It took our government 20 years to find out about this ?! Yes, now half of Moscow officials and civil servants will rush to the Kuril Islands to give birth ... Again, here's a detour for them about the second citizenship ..))) Joke of course .. but sad ..
        1. +3
          6 December 2020 11: 18
          Quote: Dikson
          It turns out that the US State Department since 1990 has been considering Russian residents born in the South Kuriles to be Japanese citizens.

          And us - the army laughing Enough for the State Department, I hope laughing

          Quote: Dikson
          The Turks today announced that they had taught their Bayraktar to deceive the S-400 system., Previously kindly provided to them by money-hungry blunt-headed Russians. The Israelis boasted that they had reprogrammed their kamikaze drone to successfully destroy the Russian electronic warfare system "Krasukha" that had lit its parameters during the Karabakh conflict -4"...

          These are all journalists. They boasted. Calmer, and you will be happy Yes
    2. -10
      6 December 2020 11: 12
      So ours often reprograms their technique. So C 400 and Krasuha 4 are always an order of magnitude better than their systems wink
    3. +2
      6 December 2020 11: 13
      Don't be naive and don't read any crap. What we sold is all yesterday.
    4. -6
      6 December 2020 11: 14
      By the way, you often dissolve fakes. You wrote that the Armenians fired Iskander and the missiles fell in the wrong direction. Although these were old Elbruses. Then you wrote that the Greeks with the C 300 fired twice at the Turkish F-16s. Now you're writing your hat again.
    5. -4
      6 December 2020 12: 53
      The sale was personally promoted by GDP! He hoped with all his might that Erdogan was his friend and brother! But Vova was wrong! Strangely tacit agreement with the sale of Russian generals by profile.
      1. +4
        6 December 2020 13: 42
        Quote: sustav75
        The sale was personally promoted by GDP! He hoped with all his might that Erdogan was his friend and brother! But Vova was wrong!

        I love these Experts. And he has connections at Rosoboronexport. And in geopolitics he cuts. And the GDP gets into the head in a telepathic way. Just a cross between Kashpirovsky, Brzezinski and Mata Hari. Killing combo))))
        Quote: sustav75
        Strangely tacit agreement with the sale of Russian generals by profile.

        Not well, the traitors sold the S-400. It was necessary to offer the S-200. Erdogan would definitely buy them. And by the way, why did Erdogan, fool, spend millions on the S-400 if it is so easy to nullify them with Baraktars?
        1. -3
          6 December 2020 15: 29
          This is evidently to you-vinipuham, Putin got into his head! By means of TV "Russia 24"! You reset to zero along with the expired one! Every sane person understands that Erdogan is an enemy of Russia! And selling the s-400 to Turkey is at least stupid! I don't need an answer! Sick of the expired adepts!
          1. 0
            7 December 2020 00: 36
            Quote: sustav75
            I don't need an answer! Sick of the expired adepts!

            And the answer will still be. And it turns out thrown from a shovel onto a fan and into the bushes. Will have to endure
            Quote: sustav75
            ! Every sane person understands that Erdogan is an enemy of Russia!

            Everyone who is sane understands that whoever is in Erdogan's place will be the enemy. At the same time, Erdogan's candidacy is most profitable for Russia
            Quote: sustav75
            And selling the s-400 to Turkey is at least stupid! ABOUT

            Selling the S-400 is a great move that kills a few birds with one stone
            Quote: sustav75
            This is evidently to you-vinipuham, Putin got into his head! By means of TV "Russia 24"! You reset to zero along with the expired

            If I understand correctly you are 75 years old. Almost the same age. Please name the best leader in your memory
    6. 0
      6 December 2020 14: 06
      Quote: Dikson
      The Turks today announced that they had taught their Bayraktar to deceive the S-400 system, which was previously kindly provided to them by money-hungry dumb-headed Russians.

      In the event of a conflict, sharp-headed Turkey is shot by `` blunt-headed Russians '' from the territory of Crimea along and across. There is practically no air defense, the S-400 is unlikely to work against the `` stupid Russians ''. Therefore, the lifetime of any significant base of the Navy, Air Force, factory, airfield, power plant, bridge is no more than a day. So with a completely destroyed infrastructure, the Turks will undoubtedly be able to use their knowledge of countering the S-400.
      Quote: Dikson
      The Israelis boasted that they had reprogrammed their kamikaze drone to successfully destroy the Russian Krasukha-4 electronic warfare system, which had lit its parameters during the Karabakh conflict ...

      Well, not if the Israelis boasted - this of course changes everything. I also wanted to show off, collecting the death star on the balcony. From G and P.
      1. +1
        6 December 2020 16: 09
        Winnie, why do you think the Turks bought the S-400 from us? What, the Americans couldn't suck in their systems to them? Moreover, there is no need to puzzle over how to integrate our complex into NATO systems .. Turkey is still a NATO member, and they needed the complex in order to pick it open .. Just as the Israelis used to pick out the S-300 at one time .. Of course Nobody bothers us to modernize our systems .. The "boast" of the Israelis is confirmed by the effectiveness of their weapons in combat use .. Surely the attention of the intelligence agencies of the whole world was drawn to Karabakh - about the fight against UAVs everyone has a headache .. Azerbaijan successfully used Israeli equipment there. Surely there were Israeli specialists nearby too .. Do you deny the possibility of programming Israeli UAVs to target the operating Krasukha? And so happy for our country with you - we will have the Death Star, collected by you on the balcony, - with it we will definitely defeat all enemies ..)
        1. 0
          7 December 2020 01: 18
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          Quote: Dikson
          Winnie, why do you think the Turks bought the S-400 from us? What, the Americans couldn't suck in their systems to them? Moreover, there is no need to puzzle over how to integrate our complex into NATO systems.

          Turks are not stupid people. Relations with Americans are tense. If they want, any F35 or Patriot will turn into a pile of expensive useless hardware. For F16, the sale of spare parts will be closed. The engines for the Bayraktar were recently shut down. So they need the S-400 exactly for its intended purpose.
          Quote: Dikson
          The "bragging" of the Israelis is confirmed by the effectiveness of their weapons in combat use .. Surely the attention of the intelligence services of the whole world was drawn to Karabakh - about the fight against UAVs, everyone has a headache .. Azerbaijan successfully used Israeli equipment there. Surely there were Israeli specialists nearby too.

          Who can argue. In the field of UAVs and guided missiles, Jews are very advanced
          Quote: Dikson
          Do you deny the possibility of programming Israeli UAVs to target a working Krasukha?

          Very vague wording. What is meant by this, only God knows. Krasuha counteracts Avax, radars, etc., respectively, the frequencies are already known. And the algorithms for setting interference can be different. In Syria, she worked according to one algorithm, in another place according to another. Actually, what is the fundamental difference between aiming at radar radiation and aiming at Krasuha
          1. -1
            7 December 2020 03: 28
            "what is the fundamental difference between aiming at the radar radiation and aiming at Krasuha" .. - well, most likely, they simply put a "coarse filter" in place so that the electronics would not get fried from the signal at the input .. That is figuratively, so to speak .. - "there is no scrap reception, acre of another scrap "..
  12. -2
    6 December 2020 11: 09
    Well, since the Latinos praise us, then we need to think hard about what it would be for. Maybe Argentina wants to ask for help from the small Falklands to take away? fellow
  13. -7
    6 December 2020 11: 36
    The Latin American press is discussing the prospects for the Russian heavy attack drone "Okhotnik".

    This already says a lot! Argentina is interested in the American continent, this is a great prospect for our "Oboronexport" .. It's time for them to get out of US control! Russian weapons are independence and simplicity and reliability. Think gentlemen, and quickly .. It's a big queue!
    1. +6
      6 December 2020 12: 19
      Do you deign to clarify what exactly is the "long queue"?
      For the Su-57, which is still not even in the Russian troops?
      Or for the Hunter UAV? Is it a better situation with him? We open the Russian Wiki, read:
      Status - factory flight tests.
      Units produced - ONE flight prototype.
      Is there a queue behind this?
      Can you list the participants in this "queue"? Preferably a list if it fits on this page.
      1. 0
        6 December 2020 12: 58
        They are adepts! In their eyes! And they scream dew! And they have queues, apparently from a big hangover! It's the weekend :)))
      2. -3
        6 December 2020 13: 01
        Quote: Cosm22
        Do you deign to clarify what exactly is the "long queue"?

        Well, for our air defense, for example, dear! Agree, our S-300, etc. This is independence and confidence that they will not be gouged by airstrikes for anything. wink
        Quote: Cosm22
        For the Su-57, which is still not even in the Russian troops?

        Well, maybe not, or maybe they are already on duty on quiet with the "Hunters" in a pair .. No information, everything is classified ...
        Quote: Cosm22
        Is the situation better with him? We open the Russian Wiki, read:

        Well, all the conversation with you is over ..! Read YOUR wiki and don’t worry everyone here .. Good luck in reading! lol hi
        1. 0
          6 December 2020 13: 21
          1. What does the S-300 have to do with the Su-57 and the Okhotnik UAV? Have you even read the article? Or did everyone immediately start "soaring brains here"?
          2. Maybe they are on duty. Maybe the Rogozin lunar bases have existed for a long time, it's just that everything is classified.
          3. Does the adjective "Russian" jar you? What sources do you prefer? English speaking? I will also accept information from there if it contains facts that the Hunter UAV has produced more than ONE copy, for which there is supposedly a queue.
          1. -3
            6 December 2020 14: 28
            negative negative I've already told you everything ..
  14. 0
    6 December 2020 12: 00
    Argentina needs to buy a fleet with a couple of carrier groups. That's when the British eyes twitch.
    1. -3
      6 December 2020 13: 07
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Argentina needs to buy a fleet with a couple of carrier groups. That's when the British eyes twitch.

      Maybe just buy our "Cliffs" for a start ..? Or, which is simpler since the times of the USSR, they are now also quite relevant against the AUGs and others. They did not buy from those during the Falklands conflict. hi
      The shutdown worked for the Anglo-Saxon missiles and bombs. Did not explode !!!
      1. +1
        6 December 2020 13: 57
        The missiles exploded, but at the time of the conflict there were four of them available. But the cast-iron bombs did not really explode. Most importantly, these boobies did not figure out how to transfer combat aircraft to the islands, they operated from the mainland with an average distance of 800 km from the islands. The aircraft carrier was afraid to fit, when all the same decided the Argentine and British squadrons could not find each other.
        1. -2
          6 December 2020 14: 10
          Quote: Herman 4223
          The missiles exploded, but at the time of the conflict there were four of them available. But the cast-iron bombs did not really explode. Most importantly, these boobies did not figure out how to transfer combat aircraft to the islands, they operated from the mainland with an average distance of 800 km from the islands. The aircraft carrier was afraid to fit, when all the same decided the Argentine and British squadrons could not find each other.

          There were clearly not enough Russian instructors ... The English squadron would have fled with losses.
          England had a good prime minister Thatcher, the woman is tough and they were afraid of her! hi
          1. 0
            6 December 2020 23: 19
            Sometimes even good instructors are powerless. I read a good article about the Syrians, there is a good author on Yandex Zen, "" how it really is "" his channel is called, writes a former air defense officer. He described the reasons for the defeat of the feda group in 1982, when Israel defeated the air defense system in Syria.
            So there, as it turns out, the Syrians did not change the position of air defense systems for more than a year, and after the start of the conflict they also did not scratch themselves. Only one of the nineteen divisions actively changed their positions and, strangely enough, he did not even suffer losses and reported on the downed aircraft. The rest were smashed in the air.
  15. 0
    6 December 2020 12: 03
    Argentina, our weapon is perhaps from zero origin, for the Britons have worked with all possible "civilized" suppliers.
    Only the "hunter" has nothing to do with it. Even if they wanted to, it is still not for sale, because it exists in the form of the only prototype-demonstrator of technologies. They don't want to,
  16. 0
    6 December 2020 17: 11
    Can someone clarify the information on the Su-30cm in Armenia? Why is it claimed that they are sold without air-to-air missiles, which are prohibited from being supplied outside the Russian Federation? Is that possible?