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Media: UAE threatens to opt for the Su-57 if they do not receive the F-35

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Media: UAE threatens to opt for the Su-57 if they do not receive the F-35

Should the United States refuse to supply the United Arab Emirates with fifth generation F-35 fighters and MQ-9 Reaper strike drones, the UAE reserves the right to turn to "other sources." The EurAsian Times writes about it.


Abu Dhabi reacted to a statement by members of the US Congress who opposed Donald Trump's decision to supply the UAE with F-35 fighters and MQ-9 Reaper drones, saying that if the deal was canceled, they would have to turn to another supplier, although “I didn’t want to would ".

We would prefer to have the best American equipment, or we are reluctant to find it from other sources, even if it is inferior to American

- said the UAE Ambassador to the United States, Yousef al-Otaiba.

The publication notes that this statement is a clear sign that if the United States refuses to supply F-35 fighters, the UAE may turn to Russia to purchase a batch of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters that can compete with the American F-35.

Earlier, US President Donald Trump announced the conclusion of a deal with the UAE for the supply of a large batch of American weapons. In addition to 50 F-35 fighters and 18 attack drones, the United States will supply Abu Dhabi with various "advanced weapon systems" and ammunition for a total of $ 23,37 billion. However, Robert Menendez, Senior Democrat of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US Senate, together with Senators Chris Murphy and Rand Paul, who accused the UAE and Saudi Arabia of using the American weapons for "killing civilians in the Middle East".

In Libya, the UAE violates the international arms embargo. And there is evidence that the Emirates illegally transferred American military equipment to extremist militias in Yemen. The question arises why the US would reward such behavior with an arms sales agreement

- said in a statement by US senators.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 5 December 2020 11: 21
    +12
    Something is hard to believe .....))) And you .....?
    1. Raven 95
      Raven 95 5 December 2020 11: 23
      +17
      Rather, it's about China, not the Su-57
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 5 December 2020 11: 45
        +9
        There is no such country as SU-57 and there is no such aircraft, China. winked
        1. vadim dok
          vadim dok 5 December 2020 16: 39
          +1
          And where is the SU-57? Nobody has seen it and does not know its performance characteristics, but "take" it!
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 December 2020 12: 05
        +4
        Quote: Raven-95
        Rather, it's about China, not the Su-57

        Do you know how to spell?
      3. XXXIII
        XXXIII 5 December 2020 14: 43
        +2
        We are talking about what will be available on the market, and most importantly, they indicated that their hands are not tied by obligations to the Americans.))
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 December 2020 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: SaLaR
      Something is hard to believe .....))) And you .....?

      I can’t believe that the Americans will sell the F-35 to anyone in the Middle East except Israel. The example of Turkey comes in handy here, where the purchase of the last S-400 is just an excuse. Israel does not need it. Just like we sell to the pro-American UAE. Su-57: This is tantamount to the transfer of the Su-57 directly by the United States itself, and therefore betrayal, as in the case of the hijacking of Belenko's MiG-25. Why does the UAE need a 5th generation fighter?
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 16
        -7
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Quote: SaLaR
        Something is hard to believe .....))) And you .....?

        I can’t believe that the Americans will sell the F-35 to anyone in the Middle East except Israel. The example of Turkey comes in handy here, where the purchase of the last S-400 is just an excuse. Israel does not need it. Just like we sell to the pro-American UAE. Su-57: This is tantamount to the transfer of the Su-57 directly by the United States itself, and therefore betrayal, as in the case of the hijacking of Belenko's MiG-25. Why does the UAE need a 5th generation fighter?

        Multi-port ....................
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 December 2020 12: 17
          +1
          You mean? Explain.
          1. SaLaR
            SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 24
            -4
            [iWhy UAE Generation 5 Fighter?] [/ i] Permanent complete acquaintance of the USA with the novelties of the aircraft industry in Russia ... cheap and angry ... and no spies are needed ..))))
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 5 December 2020 18: 26
              +6
              Well, the Arabs will buy the most expensive equipment, at least in gold. There is such an option.))
              1. Alexander Vorontsov
                Alexander Vorontsov 6 December 2020 20: 01
                0
                Quote: XXXIII
                Well, the Arabs will buy the most expensive equipment, at least in gold. There is such an option.))

                Ha ha ha yes that's for sure.
                I remember a Russian designer painted a gold Bugatti with calligraphy.
                Su-57 can be ordered under Khokhloma.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 5 December 2020 12: 29
      +2
      Something is hard to believe .....))) And you .....?

      I can't believe it. And why should we sell the Su-57 in the UAE? I don't see the point.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 40
        +4
        Money doesn't smell .....)
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 5 December 2020 13: 24
          +5
          Quote: SaLaR
          Money doesn't smell .....)

          The sale of the Su-57 to a pro-American country will inflict colossal damage on us, since we will have to create a new aircraft for billions of dollars, so that no small batch purchases will not only not offset the costs, but will cause significant damage to the country due to the urgent need to create a new aircraft instead declassified.
          1. SaLaR
            SaLaR 5 December 2020 14: 01
            +1
            And where is the damage to the country and profit in some pockets ... Do not confuse personal wallets with state ones ...) First time or something ...
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 5 December 2020 14: 55
              0
              Quote: SaLaR
              And where is the damage to the country and profit in some pockets ... Do not confuse personal wallets with state ones ...) First time or something ...

              Sukhoi is still not a private shop, but a regime enterprise tied to the state. So it is not clear what kind of personal wallets you are talking about and who will allow the Su-57 to be sold without the permission of government agencies? All the same, these are not brooms to sell abroad.
              1. SaLaR
                SaLaR 5 December 2020 15: 05
                -2
                That's who will... he will put it in his pocket ... And he made fun of the state ...))))
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 December 2020 22: 58
        -2
        And why should we sell the Su-57 in the UAE? However, the UAE will be able to purchase 23 Su 57s for $ 150 billion, and 1.7 trillion rubles will definitely not be superfluous for our military-industrial complex enterprises.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 December 2020 10: 46
          +1
          All 23 billion you swung early. wink
          No matter how and for $ 23 billion, the UAE will be able to buy 57 Su 150s

          Are you seriously? They don't have that many pilots.
          50 is the number of aircraft they are interested in.
          They have all the logistics lined up for US weapons and ammunition.
          2 different logistics, they simply will not pull. There are no people or money for this.
          Well, sanctions are a very weighty argument for them not to buy anything from Russia.
    4. YOUR
      YOUR 5 December 2020 13: 25
      0
      It may very well be. You can find everything for sale.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 December 2020 13: 33
        +1
        You can find everything for sale.

        Of course. Probably so many years it was created and a contract was signed for the purchase of 76 Su-57s for the Russian Ministry of Defense, whatever?
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 6 December 2020 04: 41
          +1
          Fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As many as 76 units, the production of which will take 10 years. The first was promised in May 2019.
    5. Civil
      Civil 5 December 2020 16: 00
      0
      And who said they would sell ?!
  2. svp67
    svp67 5 December 2020 11: 21
    +9
    This is called SHANTAGE. I don’t believe it. that they will buy "Su-57" from us ... in commercial quantities
    1. figwam
      figwam 5 December 2020 11: 29
      +5
      Here's from our first
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2020 11: 42
        +8
        Quote: figvam
        Here's from our first

        Is it the one that is "first-first" or the one that is "second-first"?
        1. figwam
          figwam 5 December 2020 11: 44
          +4
          Probably the first-first, although on the faces of the masks that were not worn last year.
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 December 2020 11: 48
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            Probably the first, the first ...

            Then it's a pity ... rest his "airplane" soul ...
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 5 December 2020 16: 44
              -2
              They broke the tradition and painted it serial before passing the main tests. The result is known.
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 5 December 2020 16: 43
            +1
            These are protective respirators for painting work.
        2. Alex 2020
          Alex 2020 5 December 2020 17: 13
          0
          This is the first one that became the first serial (crashed).
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 December 2020 23: 01
            0
            The manufacturer will now make this the first at its own expense, since the jammed steering mechanism is their jamb.
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 5 December 2020 11: 29
      +2
      They have bought various military equipment from us before! Why can't planes ???
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 5 December 2020 11: 39
        +4
        Too different weight categories: BMP-3 and Su-57
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 5 December 2020 11: 42
          +1
          Let them take both that and another, Th crumple the chest.
      2. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2020 11: 45
        +4
        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Why can't planes ???

        Because now the issue of buying weapons has ceased to be a personal matter of any country, it has turned into a POLITICAL issue. In the question of LOYALTY to the hegemon, who can PUNISH very strongly for such a purchase.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2020 11: 43
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      I do not believe. that they will buy "Su-57" from us ... in commercial quantities

      If the Chinese really buy, then a couple of for parsing and copying. And the Emirates have neither an industrial base nor specialists. So they will either buy in commercial quantities or not buy at all.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2020 11: 46
        +8
        Quote: Nagan
        If the Chinese really buy, then a couple of for parsing and copying

        But we already sell weapons to them only in marketable quantities and no matter how differently
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 5 December 2020 12: 28
        +3
        For the Chinese, shish, not 2-3 pieces, or at least 10-15, or go far and for a long time
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 December 2020 13: 29
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      This is called SHANTAGE. I don’t believe it. that they will buy "Su-57" from us ... in commercial quantities

      So they are not going to, rather, we are talking about China.
    5. Smirnoff
      Smirnoff 5 December 2020 13: 54
      +15
      Quote: svp67
      I don’t believe it. that they will buy "Su-57" from us ... in commercial quantities

      If they want to buy, then a few pieces for study.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2020 11: 22
    +8
    The Americans are slowly getting everyone with their threats of non-compliance with treaties and possible sanctions. So Abu Dhabi is forced to do a little blackmail.
    accused the UAE and Saudi Arabia of using American weapons to "kill civilians in the Middle East"
    In this case, the Americans would be wiser to remain silent. Who would talk about the murder of civilians in the BV, so just not the United States.
    1. Land defence
      Land defence 5 December 2020 11: 33
      +15
      Let's see what will outweigh the Americans - greed for profit or solidarity with a NATO member (Turkey). I think it's money.
  4. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 5 December 2020 11: 22
    -5
    This is tantamount, if you do not sell us the F-16, then we will buy the Russian MiG-31
    Well cho say, cho sheep.
  5. Proton
    Proton 5 December 2020 11: 24
    +5
    It is highly unlikely that the UAE will buy our DRYERS. All these phrases like "buy from others" are a simple trading trick. Who, no matter how natural-born traders (Arabs) does not know this.
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 December 2020 11: 28
    +2
    Then they'd rather buy from the Chinese. If hypothetically, instead of 35x, we can supply our Su-57s (although I don’t see the capacities and serials in service for this, and the aircraft are different in purpose), then we cannot supply high-altitude strategic UAVs in the foreseeable future. In short, the usual blah blah blah ..
  7. mark1
    mark1 5 December 2020 11: 28
    0
    UAE threatens to opt for Su-57 if they don't get F-35

    Considering that they are supposed to do this "reluctantly" to give them anything, why rape the whole country. everything should be for love.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 5 December 2020 11: 29
    +2
    Come on, this is an oriental bazaar ... traded.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 December 2020 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Come on, this is an oriental bazaar ... traded.

      Yes, in the Arab bazaar, if you do not bargain, then they will not be respected.
      But if you bargained and bought, then be so kind as to respect the seller and give him baksheesh.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2020 11: 53
        0
        No question, such rules, such a culture of trade .... if you want to trade there, I correspond, adopting their rules.
      2. Maxamud
        Maxamud 5 December 2020 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: rocket757
        Come on, this is an oriental bazaar ... traded.

        Yes, in the Arab bazaar, if you do not bargain, then they will not be respected.
        But if you bargained and bought, then be so kind as to respect the seller and give him baksheesh.

        The East is a delicate matter, before you bargain, you need to talk heart to heart (about family life, camels))), etc.
        And AMERS AS USUALLY HARD CONDITIONS!
        But seriously, the Saudis feel that they are being thrown clearly (with Israel they concluded some kind of agreement there))) And this is not forgiven .. negative So they whirled the dust of the desert with their tails, laughing ..The Hussites have not gone anywhere and are "sharpening knives"
        1. karima
          karima 5 December 2020 16: 06
          +1
          Quote: Maxamud
          the saudis feel thrown clearly
          UAE, Meehan, UAE. Open the map for a minute.
          We would prefer to have the best American equipment, or we are reluctant to find it from other sources, even if it is inferior
          Is the Su-57 out of the question, or is it inferior?
        2. Roman1970_1
          Roman1970_1 6 December 2020 08: 54
          0
          The Saud and Israel did not sign anything
  9. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 5 December 2020 11: 35
    +6
    We would prefer to have the best American equipment, or we are reluctant to find it from other sources, even if it is inferior to American
    and where in this statement even a word about the Su-57?
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 5 December 2020 11: 58
      +4
      To notice this, many need to read more than just the article title.
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 December 2020 11: 36
    -4
    Media: UAE threatens to opt for the Su-57 if they do not receive the F-35
    wassat What an oriental deceit, I will give it to him, if you do not. laughing An ingenious concept to bargain.
  11. Runoway
    Runoway 5 December 2020 11: 38
    +1
    Delusional delirium, cheap show-off, I think Americans laugh laughing
    What will they buy? Are they in stock ?? Maybe they themselves will appear in the required quantity by 2040, what kind of export are we talking about ????
    Or in the Soviet way "we will not finish, but we will take out"
    Let the hunters and armatures still order 50 pieces, by 2100 we will complete the order
    And our journalists can only draw heroic information from foreign yellow publishing houses
    The UAE may turn to Russia to purchase a batch of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters,

    Can!!!!!! Or maybe the apple trees will bloom on the moon, and here they have again beaten the angry America
    The dollar is over, Nabiullina said, once again dropping the ruble to the bottom, taking a loan from the IMF at 3% and distributing it across Russia at 25%
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 5 December 2020 11: 49
      +2
      (Or in Soviet "we will not finish eating, but we will take out") Are you sure that this is Soviet. The phrase is Soviet in your opinion.
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 5 December 2020 11: 54
      +2
      You have to fight for such a contract, this is real money, for yourself you can deploy additional production at another plant if you are too tight, as they did with 400. But what you are proposing will just be 'we will not eat up but arm our army'
  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 December 2020 11: 40
    +1
    In Libya, the UAE violates the international arms embargo.

    Whose cow mooed, and the US cow was silent. Who hollowed Libya, and armed gang-terrorist groups in Libya with American weapons. And where it is in the world just not.
    It is not profitable for Russia, but it is necessary that the children of Uncle Sam do not supply weapons to the Emirates. 23 lard, good money.
    I even started to respect the Democrats Mendes and Murphy.
  13. da Vinci
    da Vinci 5 December 2020 11: 41
    +4
    "If you can't buy a fur coat, I'll go to Petrov's!" It seems that Petrov has a fur coat! wink
  14. Maxamud
    Maxamud 5 December 2020 11: 55
    +2
    Should the United States refuse to supply the United Arab Emirates with fifth generation F-35 fighters and MQ-9 Reaper strike drones, the UAE reserves the right to turn to "other sources"

    They are trying to bring down the price and nothing else .. Although the hell is not joking. hi
  15. shubin
    shubin 5 December 2020 12: 00
    +4
    accused the UAE and Saudi Arabia of using American weapons to "kill civilians in the Middle East."

    How dare they! Killing civilians in the Middle East with American weapons is exclusively an American prerogative! Well, maybe still Jewish. laughing
  16. Alexfly
    Alexfly 5 December 2020 12: 09
    0
    Blackmail and only blackmail, who will allow the demmir to buy units from enemies in the USA ... Nobody canceled Lendlease ..
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 December 2020 12: 25
      +2
      The Arabs have all accounts with US-British banks ...... or their securities. And no one will let you waste dollars on Russian equipment.
  17. askort154
    askort154 5 December 2020 12: 24
    +1
    Should the United States refuse to supply the United Arab Emirates with fifth-generation F-35 fighters and MQ-9 Reaper attack drones, the UAE reserves the right to turn to "other sources."

    India has been using this tactic for decades.
  18. Guru
    Guru 5 December 2020 12: 42
    +5
    And why did the author decide that the UAE would turn to Russia to buy the SU-57 and not to China?
  19. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 December 2020 12: 58
    +5
    Media: UAE threatens to opt for the Su-57 if they do not receive the F-35

    Information for thought about the fate of the Su-57.
    According to open data, the maximum thrust of the "Product 30" engine reaches 11000 kgf, afterburner - 18000 kgf. For comparison, the AL-41F1 first stage engine has a thrust of 9500 and 15000 kgf, respectively. Thus, the Su-57 aircraft, even with a maximum take-off weight exceeding 35 tons, will have a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than one.

    Considering that the F-35 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of "1 <" and ranges from 0,64 to 0,75 ...
    What does this mean? The fact that in this case the flight characteristics of the Su-57 are better, if not for one fact:
    On March 5, 2020, the VO website announced:
    Lockheed Martin Delivers 500th F-35 Fighter

    As for the Su-57, these 76 aircraft by 2028 are a theoretical plan, which can be adjusted from the pandemic to the serial production of the A-30 product, without which the Su-57 cannot be called a "5th generation" aircraft.
    Now let's return to our Arabs. Many have expressed the correct opinion that this Arab "ultimatum" is like a bluff. Whose "truth" is stronger? 9 cars a year at a price close to 3 rubles each, although there is such data:
    The expected cost of the Su-57 fighter in the series, according to Izvestia sources in the aviation industry, was about 2014 billion rubles in 2,5, and today, taking into account the impact of inflation over the past years, reaches over 3 billion rubles = about $ 40

    or about 100 cars per year at a price of $ 80 million (the goal is to reduce the cost of one F-000A to $ 000 million by 2020)
    Now one more question, who said that the question will arise about the purchase of aircraft from Russia? A frivolous statement ...
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 5 December 2020 14: 30
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      On March 5, 2020, the VO website announced:
      Quote: IN
      Lockheed Martin Corporation Delivers 500th F-35 Fighter

      Only one thing can be noticed on this: the more suicides, the fewer suicides. It is necessary to sell more F-35s to Israel and the Arabs at the same time, let them bludgeon each other until the radio-absorbing coating is completely peeled off and half of the pilots on both sides suffocate.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 5 December 2020 15: 41
        +1
        Quote: Navigator Basov
        On this one can only notice one thing: the more suicides, the fewer suicides.

        I understood. yes
        It always seemed to me that the strength of the army is determined not by the sale of weapons to anyone, but by the availability of the most exclusive, "NIAM" (which has no analogues in the world) equipment and weapons.
        Quote: Pavel57
        Will Russia sell?

        Can Russia sell and arrange service?
      2. Iris
        Iris 6 December 2020 04: 27
        0
        let them bludgeon each other until the radio-absorbing coating is completely peeled and half of the pilots on both sides suffocate.


        Gone are the days. Peace treaties have been signed with half of the oil monarchies, the rest are in the queue. On the agenda are joint exercises, not wall to wall showdowns.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2020 23: 05
      0
      As for the Su-57, these 76 aircraft by 2028 are a theoretical plan, which can be adjusted from a pandemic to the serial production of the A-30 product. with the new engine, the Ministry of Defense is now punishing lawsuits for breaking contracts.
  20. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 December 2020 13: 07
    0
    Will Russia sell?
  21. Tagan
    Tagan 5 December 2020 13: 18
    +1
    "The US would reward this behavior with an arms sales agreement."

    Yes, it's just some kind of holiday!
  22. Horon
    Horon 5 December 2020 13: 51
    +2
    Why did you decide what exactly will be bought from Russia, and not from China?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2020 23: 07
      0
      China does not have normal engines for fighters all short-lived according to flight hours.
      1. Horon
        Horon 7 December 2020 09: 25
        0
        Not important. It is important that the UAE did not indicate exactly who they were going to take from, Russia was assigned here only in the opinion of journalists. With such success, you can also find about our negative characteristics, for example: a low level of electronics or a higher visibility.
  23. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 December 2020 13: 56
    0
    They will not receive in the near future f35 The queue is too long. Su-57, I think, will not be allowed, if only a small batch for study.
  24. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 5 December 2020 14: 20
    +3
    All commentators are discussing the possibility of buying Russian or Chinese aircraft without taking into account that the OAU is also using French technology. If they are not sold F35, then they can buy Rafal. hi
  25. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 5 December 2020 14: 25
    +1
    The main question arose: why did Robert Menendez, together with Senators Chris Murphy and Rand Paul, not accuse the United States of using American weapons to kill civilians not only in the Middle East, but around the world? We just don't understand, is this different?
  26. Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 5 December 2020 14: 39
    +3
    First, it was said by the UAE Ambassador to the United States, not the government. He did not speak about the Su-57, but said that the United States is not the only manufacturers in the world. They say they will look for an alternative in case of refusal.
    By the way, Israel agreed to the delivery.
    1. Horon
      Horon 7 December 2020 09: 28
      0
      Israel itself buys Ф35 from the USA! Or has Israel started producing its own 5th generation aircraft?
  27. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 5 December 2020 15: 35
    0
    extremist militias
    belay This is what it means - confused. yes laughing
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 5 December 2020 19: 03
    -1
    Yes, of course they will sell the UAE F-35. There, the development program for this miracle has exceeded a trillion, the grandmother must be returned. Now the heat has already subsided and all the shortcomings have become clear, but while it is hot, it is necessary to push
  29. yfast
    yfast 5 December 2020 22: 30
    +1
    Media: UAE threatens to opt for the Su-57 if they do not receive the F-35

    I'm afraid, I'm afraid, but I don't believe.
  30. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 5 December 2020 22: 58
    +1
    in spite of my mother, I will frostbite my ears, even Russia was able to supply itself with only 1 plane .. the conclusions are clear to everyone ...
  31. Grif
    Grif 6 December 2020 19: 59
    0
    Nobody is selling yet, and they are already threatening to buy.