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Chivalry and coats of arms

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Christina de Pisan presents her "Book of Military Exploits and Knightly Laws" to Queen Isabella of France


He is worthy of praiseworthy words,
Who is ready to strike and fall!
Helmets and shields crush
With a blow of clubs and swords.
The ranks of the warriors are thinning,
And many horses are rushing about
Not restrained by the bridle.
Who keeps his honor,
Must be obsessed in battle
With one concern -
Smash heads more.
And there is no fear for the brave!
Life in the world is not dear to me:
I don't like to eat, drink and sleep.
I love screaming "At the enemy!"
And listen to the neigh of the horses
(Bertrand de Born (1140-1215) "I love to see how the people ...")

Coats of arms and heraldry. Heraldry is so closely related to the phenomenon of chivalry that one should also mention this before talking about the coats of arms. Who is a knight? In the beginning - one who has a lot of leisure and therefore exercises a lot with weapons, that is, a professional warrior-rider, or a person for whom his wealth allows him to have a horse with all his equestrian equipment and weapons worthy of such a warrior-rider. Since the coat of arms was applied primarily to the shield (and what else could it have been applied to?), It was he who became the main element of heraldry at all times.

Chivalry and coats of arms
You read the poems of the knight and minnesinger Bertrand de Born and it just becomes scary for ... his psyche. However, for the time when he lived, such a vision of the world was the norm for most people, and those who did not share it went to monks and became priests. And like any knight, de Born also had his own coat of arms - an oblique cross in a scarlet field! (From the manuscript "Songs of the Provinces" 1250-1300 years. Padua, Italy. National Library of France, Paris)

It was the knights in the Middle Ages who formed the basis of the European armies. A knightly cavalry strike could decide the outcome of almost any battle, but only if certain circumstances developed for this. That is, the commander of a knightly army (as, indeed, the one who commands armies today) had to think with his head every time he was to fight. He should not have sent knights to the rubble (a Tanks on anti-tank hedgehogs and right through the field under fire!), drive them into the swamp (the same with tanks and infantry!), send them with caution against entrenched archers, and, of course, have enough authority to declare that will execute anyone, regardless of nobility, who is the first to rush to plunder the enemy camp before the trumpet blows three times!


Today we have miniatures from the famous "Manes Codex" as illustrations. Here in this "picture" we see the knight and poet Walfram von Eschenbach (about 1170 - about 1220). On his coat of arms, as well as as a cleinode, there are two cleavers for chopping meat

It is clear that professional warriors, no matter how much they train, in the intervals between wars, could well get bored and become a serious burden for both the ruler and the church. And what was the way out of this situation? Of course, a kind of "moral code" and "set of knightly rules", which at least nominally would instruct the knights on the right path. Well, any need is satisfied in one way or another. So this topic aroused the most keen interest among such famous writers and thinkers of that time as Raymond Llull, Honore Bonet and even the woman Christine de Pisan.


A copy of the Codex of Manes from Cesky Krumlov Castle. It is clear that it is under glass, and you will not flip through it if you want to. But it's good that all the illustrations are digitized today.

As for Raymond Llull (between 1232 and 1315), he was such an interesting figure that he needed to write a separate article about him. In the meantime, in a nutshell, we can say about him that he was from Aragon, of noble blood, sang the heroic deeds of knights in poetry, wrote about love, and all this in the style characteristic of the troubadours of southern France. He was a womanizer and often unfaithful to his wife, but only until he saw Christ crucified in a dream and considered it a sign sent to him so that he would change his life. And he changed it, first of all in 1275 by writing a treatise "The Book of the Knightly Order", which became the best textbook "on knightly morality", so that it was translated into many languages. He also invented the "first computer" (but this also needs to be discussed separately and in detail!), And ended his life in Tunisia, where he openly preached Christianity and was stoned to death.


Heinrich von Tittingen (years of life unknown). There is a peasant sickle on the coat of arms. There are two sickles on the helmet as helmet decorations!

Cristina de Pisan (between 1364 and 1430), who studied under Honore Bonet (at least he lived in 1380), who in 1408-1409 wrote the “Book of Military Feats and Knightly Laws”, made no less for the development of the spiritual component of chivalry. ”, In which she considered, for example, the ethics of using poisoned arrows by Christians or the question of saving the souls of soldiers who died without a priest's parting words. And some of the issues she is considering are amazing. For example, something like "Can a madman legally be a prisoner?" Her negative answer to this question shows us such a high level of humanism - it's hard to believe that a person of that time showed it.


And here we already see the helmet itself on the shield, along with its kleinod. Belonged to Minnesinger Litschauer

It is clear that no books, as well as codes, can change a person if he wants to drink and eat, or, say, it will be beneficial for him to rob his neighbor by force, for which he will also have the opportunity. And nevertheless, the striving for the high and pure, serving God, serving the Beautiful Lady, protecting the disadvantaged and the poor - all this, as a direct path to the Kingdom of Heaven, visited many knights and became for them the moral ideal to which they should strive. Well, heraldry ... heraldry helped them along the way. After all, the coat of arms was usually given to a knight for some noble, highly moral act, and for low and unworthy he was punished, and the punishment was reflected in his coat of arms. For example, the knight Jean de Aven insulted his mother, and by the royal order in his coat of arms, the proud lion lost his tongue and claws! So heraldry once again helped the knights "to be good", which, of course, was important in the time of loose morals, unrestrained violence and inexorable cruelty.


Bartel Regenbogen (1250-1320). On the coat of arms there is a hammer, a dragon and pincers! And what does it all mean?

It was the knightly service that left an extremely noticeable mark in heraldry, consisting of many heraldic symbols, which were used as items of the same knightly equipment. First of all, perhaps, the shield itself became such an object, because coats of arms are known without any details, that is, just shields of some one color. In addition, on the shield it was possible to depict another shield and even several shields, which was quite allowed by the rules of heraldry.


One shield on the other. Coat of arms of the city of Utrecht

Then a helmet was depicted on the shield. It could be just a helmet, but more often a helmet with lush helmet decorations. The helmet also became one of the most important external elements of the coat of arms. As a rule, they are crowned with a coat of arms, and by the shape of the helmet they judge the rank of the coat of arms. There is such an emblem as the gar-de-bra - but this is nothing more than an elbow pad. Champhron - a forehead for a knight's horse, fell into the number of heraldic symbols, as well as aventail - a chain mail cover for the neck, and lambel - a "tournament collar". Even such a very specific detail as the head of the scabbard was used in heraldry. By the way, the elbow pad (another name "kute") can be seen in the coat of arms of Lord Fitzwater, the aventail in the coat of arms of Lord Montague, and the sword and crown in the coat of arms of Joan of Arc, granted to her and her descendants by King Charles VII. By the way, crossed swords are constantly found in coats of arms. For example, the town of Abensberg in Bavaria, two crossed swords in the coat of arms were granted for helping the allies in the war against Napoleon!


Joan of Arc at the coronation of Charles VII wearing a coat of arms with the image of the coat of arms bestowed on her. It is difficult to say how historical this picture is. Painting by Jean August Dominique Ingres, 1854 (Louvre)

But in general, probably, there were no such objects and objects surrounding the knights at that time, which would not have been used as emblems for identification. Swords, axes, clubs, bows, arrows - all of this was drawn in a wide variety of variations. But the most popular emblem, of course, was the cross, and the simplest one was the emblem of the knights who went to liberate the Holy Sepulcher in Palestine. However, a waterskin was also a popular emblem among the army of Christ in memory of the thirst that the knights constantly experienced there! By the way, some experts believe that there are 30 crosses used in heraldry, others - that 50, but some zealous scientist found that there are ... (I hope you are all sitting) 450 !!! There is a cross "clawed", "cross-tau", wedge-shaped, lily-shaped, clover-leaved, the well-known "Maltese cross", and also "mill" ... well, probably enough to list them. Let's take a better look at them, there will clearly be more sense from this.


The thirty most famous crosses in heraldry are: 1. Greek; 2. Double, also called patriarchal, archbishop and Hungarian; 3. Lorraine - the emblem of the Duchy of Lorraine in the middle of the 4th century; 5. Papal - not found on the coats of arms of the popes, but got its name by analogy with the patriarchal cross in the 1496th century; 6. Cross of the Kingdom of Jerusalem - the red Jerusalem cross was a symbol of the Order of St. Spirit, founded in 7; 8. Cross from the coat of arms of the Manfredi family - a rare form of the cross; 9. Cross with ball ends; 10. Shank, the beams of which end with stylized images of crow's feet; 11. Anchor; 12. One of the varieties of the anchor cross; 1158. Maltese - eight-pointed cross of the Knights Templar; 13. Lily cross with lily flower-shaped endings - belonged to the Spanish knightly order of Calatrava, founded in 14; 15. Symbol of the Spanish knightly order of Alcantara; 1095. Cross of St. Jacob - a symbol of the Spanish knightly order of Saint Jacob, founded by King Ramiro II of Aragon; 16. Cross of St. Anthony - a blue cross on black cloaks was worn by members of the Order of St. Anthony, founded in 17 (the cross of St. Anthony was also one of the emblems of the Knights Templar); 18. Martyr's Cross of St. Paul; 19. Wedge; 20. Wicker; 21. Cross in a halo - a Celtic cross, popular in Ireland in the Middle Ages; 22. The simple black cross of St. Mary of Teutonic is the most famous image of the cross; 23. Faceted; 24. Rare cross with crosshairs in the form of bird's heads; 25. Nodal; 26. An oblique cross, depending on the color, could symbolize different saints: gold - the first British Great Martyr St. Alban, white or blue - St. Andrew, black - St. Osmund, red - St. Patrick; 27. Fork-shaped; 28. Toe cross of the most common form; 29. Supporting, or arched cross; 30. Shadow (outline) Maltese cross; XNUMX. Christmas tree - this form of the cross was very popular in Finland; XNUMX. Eight-pointed Orthodox, or Russian cross.



Schenck von Limburg was clearly a great fashionist and understood a lot about the beauty of a knight's outfit: the surcoat on it is green with an embroidered letter in white, the horse blanket has a completely different pattern, different from the one on surcoat, which, in general, is atypical, but quite acceptable ; on the coat of arms there are three tops of six-feathers, on the helmet there are horns decorated with peacock feathers. It is clear that the lady depicted in the same illustration, most likely, could not resist him ...

To be continued ...
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  1. Van 16
    Van 16 9 December 2020 05: 26
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    As always - interesting, as always - thanks!
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 9 December 2020 08: 52
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      Yes, it's very interesting, as usual, everything about the West. In Russia, there were no knights or emblems.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 9 December 2020 09: 07
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        Everything was there, but there was no literature left am
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 09: 58
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          Quote: ee2100
          Everything was there, but there was no literature left am

          The most interesting thing is that something remained. The same Pyzhikov, a real researcher, dug up a lot of things, and for this you need to know the places where all this is. Old archives are still preserved. Shpakovsky does not work with archives, but only with secondary literature and textbooks, but this does not mean that there is nothing left.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 9 December 2020 10: 12
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            It is a pity that Pyzhikov left so early, otherwise he would have spoiled a lot of blood for the official historians.
            All the same, I think that is not left. If there is something in the Vatican. Although there should be a lot of them. Thanks to the Novgorod birch bark letters, we know that there was practically universal literacy, at least in the cities, and that the Russian people are less talented than the Western people?
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 9 December 2020 11: 21
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              The coat of arms has nothing to do with literacy.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 9 December 2020 11: 27
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                And I'm not talking about the coat of arms. Read carefully. I'm talking about literacy.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 9 December 2020 11: 49
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                  And the literature, which was created by the literate polls, was specially confiscated and destroyed or hidden in the Vatican?
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 9 December 2020 12: 12
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                    You will not deny that in the Middle Ages there were enough literate people in Russia. Since the XI-XII centuries, as we know from the chronicles, there were active trade relations, even if the same Novgorod, which means there should have been trade agreements, incl. and international. All Veche decisions must be documented. Executive decisions. Interstate agreements. Columns (pedigrees).
                    And if you have read imported fiction, then it is logical to assume that in Russia someone also tried himself in this role of a writer.
                    I'm just about the fact that these documents do not exist. Perhaps there is something in the Vatican with regards to Russia. That's all.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 9 December 2020 12: 54
                      +6
                      In order to view the documents listed by you, you do not need to go to the Vatican.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 9 December 2020 13: 08
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                        As for the city's medieval archives, those have not survived, including in the Vatican, therefore, get acquainted with the veche protocols,
                        if any were drawn up, it is not possible.
                        But extensive information, for example, about the Novgorod internal political structure, can be provided by documents of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries connected with the activities of German merchants in Novgorod.
                        The stay of the Germans in Novgorod was accompanied by inevitable conflicts on the basis of trade disputes or simply domestic quarrels. In such cases, German merchants were forced to turn to the Novgorod authorities, sue their offenders, and report the progress and results of the proceedings to the Hanseatic cities that were responsible for the Novgorod direction of trade. These messages were later discussed at the congresses of the Hanseatic cities, and the decisions were carefully recorded and recorded. In turn, the authorities of the Hanseatic cities often wrote to the Novgorod authorities or to the German merchants who were there to resolve certain issues.
                        These documents were published as early as the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries. in a number of multivolume series.
                        And you don't need to go to the Vatican. Everything is much closer.

                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 9 December 2020 13: 17
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                        Thanks . I'll try to find this book.
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 9 December 2020 13: 27
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                        So as not to go to the Vatican.
                        https://ia801201.us.archive.org/35/items/Charters_of_Veliky_Novgorod_and_Pskov_Valk_1949/GVNP_1949.pdf
                  2. Konstantin Shevchenko
                    Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 13: 43
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                    Taken from the internet. Inscription above the gate of Lübeck. How was the date 1262-1263 confirmed? Interesting.
                  3. Undecim
                    Undecim 11 December 2020 14: 55
                    +2
                    The date of which was confirmed?
                  4. Konstantin Shevchenko
                    Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 16: 16
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                    Contractual Charter of Novgorod and Lyuberk given by you. There are no numbers in the text. I am wondering how it was determined that 1262-1263.
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 39
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            As always a snide question
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 9 December 2020 13: 26
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        Quote: Undecim
        The coat of arms has nothing to do with literacy.

        In the sense that the knights could neither read nor write? wassat
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 9 December 2020 13: 36
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          Some even despised this skill, believing that there are scribes for this. Literacy and heraldry are different issues.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 9 December 2020 13: 54
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            Quote: Undecim
            Some even despised this skill, believing that there are scribes for this. Literacy and heraldry are different issues.

            Yes, I'm about in the know laughing But there were also knights from Russians, boyars of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, in particular, often very literate people drinks
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 18
            +2
            Francis Drake knew how to read and write. But he did not like it very much. He had something to do.
        2. kalibr
          9 December 2020 15: 20
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          Quote: Doliva63
          In the sense that the knights could neither read nor write?

          And often they even bragged about it!
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 9 December 2020 17: 10
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            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Doliva63
            In the sense that the knights could neither read nor write?

            And often they even bragged about it!

            Internet slows down? Well I already answered that I knew. By the way, I glanced briefly - there are no Shpakovskys under "your" coat of arms.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 14
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              My respect, colleague!
              I understand correctly that judging by your avatar and nickname, you are directly related to the Polish nobility?
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 9 December 2020 18: 28
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                found

                Well I certainly don't laughing And the ancestors - yes, they had. And I am so, heir to the title, so to speak drinks
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 01
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                Thanks! And your ancestors Doliva or Doliva-Dobrovolsky?
              3. Doliva63
                Doliva63 9 December 2020 20: 16
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Thanks! And your ancestors Doliva or Doliva-Dobrovolsky?

                No, not the Dobrovolskys. There were many wonderful surnames under this coat of arms. And many later served in the SA. Natasha Podolskaya, the daughter of my father's colleague, took me to the first grade, and then in another town in the same class I studied with Oksana Zelinskaya - and all were also Doliva's coat of arms. Two of my ancestors were buried in the Alexander Nevsky Lavra - one, being from the Poles, was the head of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia. In general, today this is no longer the essence of how important it is. It is important not to forget that at the beginning of the family they were Russian boyars. I don't like boyars, but I have to endure history drinks
        3. kalibr
          9 December 2020 18: 28
          +1
          You don't know how to use the Internet, my dear! Sign up for courses ... The Sixth Velvet Book of the Russian Nobility: https://gerbovnik.ru/arms/877 we open and look. And then there is the banal ... Wikipedia.
          And now - all from the Web.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 9 December 2020 18: 43
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            Quote: kalibr
            You don't know how to use the Internet, my dear! Sign up for courses ... The Sixth Velvet Book of the Russian Nobility: https://gerbovnik.ru/arms/877 we open and look. And then there is the banal ... Wikipedia.
            And now - all from the Web.

            Well, I just looked at Wikipedia. And on the IOP website.
            Apparently, inattentive. It happens. Drunk laughing But the coat of arms is not yours, you must agree. Here is mine - mine. This cannot be taken away, although there is nothing to be proud of. Although. My ancestors stood at the origins of Speech pospolita. Maybe this? I do not know. Repnin sent his great-grandfather to the estate under escort as the king's representative at the Diet, for he interfered with the well-known process.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 13: 05
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    Quote: ee2100
    Thanks to the Novogod birch bark letters, we know that there was practically universal literacy

    Thanks to birch bark letters, we know just the opposite.
    Yanin discovered, researched and described a number of letters written in the same handwriting at the same time, but for different reasons and on behalf of different people. In his opinion, this indicates that there were special scribes in Novgorod. That is, the need for literacy was higher than her level. Among Novgorodians there were not only many illiterates, but also many who needed literacy without being literate. And the number of such people was sufficient to justify the maintenance of special clerks.
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 9 December 2020 13: 19
      +3
      Maybe this is the case. This is his opinion.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 13: 20
        +6
        Can you suggest your own explanation?
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 47
          +4
          Mikhail, colleague: I want her2100 to be according to Pyzhykov
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 17: 29
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            I don't know, I'm not sure.
            Alexander categorically refuses to state his point of view on almost any issue, and if this happens, then only "common sense" and an inner conviction on the verge of an irrational belief in one's righteousness are used to substantiate this point of view. He is offended by proposals to supplement the baggage of historical knowledge by reading the relevant literature.
            As for Pyzhikov, after getting acquainted with some of his concepts, voiced by him on YouTube (by the way, before I met his videos, I did not know who it was, I had not heard anything about him), I quickly found so many manipulations in them, and, often and outright lies, so many distortions that, if I were familiar with the topic of his reasoning a little more superficially, I might not have noticed that I immediately put him in the top five freaks from history in my rating list. And he was very surprised to learn that this is indeed a doctor of historical sciences, who received this title back in the USSR.
            It would be possible to make out here any of his creations, but none of the admirers of his work either does not want or is unable to present his thoughts in a thesis. And to waste time listening to hour-long lectures, in which there is not a word of truth, just in order to throw ants in the pants of several of his followers like Bar, I'm just sorry, especially since most of the colleagues present with Pyzhikov's works are not familiar and it will be elementary for them boring.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 9 December 2020 18: 10
              +5
              Mikhail, thanks to you, I slightly recognized Pyzhikov. Feeling like I'm stepping into a smelly substance
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 21
              +4
              Looked at a piece. Did not like. In general, watching a video should be a strong motivation. Should be either helpful or interesting.
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 10: 36
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    Quote: Bar1
    The old archives have been preserved.

    Where?
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 9 December 2020 10: 48
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      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Bar1
      The old archives have been preserved.

      Where?

      already said, RGADA for example.
      As for the Russian or Mongolian knights, there are such images.
      Battle of Chaillot.
      Mongol knights crush the Hungarians.
      1. kalibr
        9 December 2020 11: 07
        +5
        I already wrote to you that in heraldry, the image of the crescent is not associated with Islam. In medieval emblems (os. When associated with a star) it is a symbolic image of paradise. The crescent moon marks the font in which the Church, baptized into Christ, is clothed in Him, the Sun of righteousness. It is called that: Cradle of Bethlehem, who received the Infant Christ; the Eucharistic cup, in which is the Body of Christ; church ship, led by the Feedman Christ; anchor of hope, gift of the cross from Christ; an ancient serpent trampled under the Cross and placed as an enemy of God at the feet of Christ. On the heads of the warriors are knightly helmets. Above them is a banner with the image of the Cradle of Bethlehem, what else is needed? Is it clear to your intellect? If not, read the series of articles on heraldry, little by little it may be possible to enlighten.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 11: 23
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          Quote: kalibr
          The crescent moon marks the font in which the Church, baptized into Christ, is clothed in Him, the Sun of righteousness.

          people, horses mingled in a heap ...
          Show me these Christian banners with a crescent moon? Yes, you can not show. When there is a war, you need to clearly identify your own and foes, if you put an extraneous symbol on the banner, you can get confused in battle who is who. So the cross against the crescent, that's right. The Christian army must first of all have symbols cross, perhaps a crescent, and Muslims should go into battle with the symbol of only the crescent that we see.
          1. kalibr
            9 December 2020 11: 27
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            Quote: Bar1
            and Muslims have to go into battle with the symbol of only the crescent that we see.

            So the Mongols were not Muslims. Khan Uzbek accepted Islam in the Horde in the 1320s,
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 9 December 2020 11: 32
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              Quote: kalibr
              So the Mongols were not Muslims. Khan Uzbek accepted Islam in the Horde in the 1320s,

              this is according to your chronology. However, the solar and lunar symbolism, which was in the east among the Zoroastrians and Christians / Nestorians and Arians, was present in the pre-Islamic times among the Mongols. So the symbol of a crescent moon without a cross cannot be Christian.
              1. kalibr
                9 December 2020 15: 16
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                Quote: Bar1
                So a crescent moon symbol without a cross cannot be Christian.

                However, there was!
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          3. kalibr
            9 December 2020 11: 34
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            Islam among the Golden Horde nomads of the Lower Volga region in the XIII-XV centuries. The topic of the dissertation and author's abstract for the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, Candidate of Historical Sciences Rakushin, Alexey Ivanovich, 1998, Saratov
            There is this wonderful dissertation on a topic that interests you. Order, read, and you will be happy ...
          4. Undecim
            Undecim 9 December 2020 13: 26
            +6
            Show me these Christian banners with a crescent moon?
            Bar, you are ignorant, and you are trying to discuss heraldry. This is a delicate subject, where to meddle with such ignorance as yours is like in a Kalash row.

            This is the Dering Scroll, 1270, the coats of arms of the knights of Kent and Essex. At least three - with a crescent.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 13: 32
              +5
              Moreover, the symbol of the crescent as a brizur (cross) began to be used much later.
              1. kalibr
                9 December 2020 15: 10
                +4
                Why are you doing this, Anton? He doesn't know the word brizura!
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 15: 15
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                This is not a vice. I don't know many words either. "It's not a shame not to know, it's a shame not to want to know." Is not it?
              3. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 9 December 2020 18: 14
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                It is well said "it is not a shame not to know, it is a shame not to want to know." Who said that?
              4. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 17
                +4
                My ex-wife! laughing
              5. Phil77
                Phil77 9 December 2020 20: 24
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                Quote: Astra wild2
                Who said that?

                According to some reports ... he. request
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 9 December 2020 13: 36
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        Quote: Undecim
        Show me these Christian banners with a crescent moon?
        Bar, you are ignorant, and you are trying to discuss heraldry. This is a delicate subject, where to meddle with such ignorance as yours is like in a Kalash row.

        you would close your mouth, because as you start talking, it’s not something that should come out.
        Whoever blathers here about vezhd, probably the one who is not in the teeth on modern nuclear energy, but with amateurish aplomb about the incomprehensible, incomprehensible and will never be understood argues.
        Why did you place these shields here? You wanted to prove here that these are shields of Christian knights? But it must be proved that the shields belonged to the Christians.
        Previously, Christianity was Arian, Nestorian, and what kind of symbolism there was is not very well known, but maybe these are generally shields of the Old Believers, i.e. not Christians, there are no crosses, or maybe these shields belong to Muslims, but an ignoramus?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 13: 46
          +8
          behave normally in a decent society, otherwise I can be rude too.
          That's noticeable.
          Do you also understand nuclear energy?
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 13: 54
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          behave normally in a decent society, otherwise I can be rude too.
          That's noticeable.
          Do you also understand nuclear energy?

          it’s not me, it’s some, we won’t point the finger, although it was the eleventh, they say that since he’s familiar with the history textbook, he can talk like a carpenter and cut with might, and plan with might, and forest with might.
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 14: 04
          +5
          It is strange, but if you yourself are not an expert in some field, what criteria are you guided by in assessing the knowledge of another person?
        4. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 14: 26
          -1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          It is strange, but if you yourself are not an expert in some field, what criteria are you guided by in assessing the knowledge of another person?

          the fact is the client got entangled in three pines, what is written in Wikipedia, in this encyclopedia for everyone except the eleventh, but he began to shake his fists and scream obscene things. This is his behavior, just betrays him.
        5. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 14: 29
          +5
          Could you provide a link to the material? I would like to personally assess the severity of the controversy. Thanks.
        6. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 14: 42
          -2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Could you provide a link to the material? I would like to personally assess the severity of the controversy. Thanks.


          Appreciate and this is also the fact that after all I am also demolished and fined after talking with the eleventh, already twice.

          https://topwar.ru/176752-kak-zapad-porabotil-planetu.html#comment-id-10935007
        7. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 14: 44
          +3
          Good. I'll take a look.
        8. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 15: 40
          +4
          I looked. Unfortunately I had to go to Samsonov's article, whose opuses I don’t read in principle. Leaving aside your beliefs, because, as you understand, I am a supporter of TI, I can say the following about the nature of the polemics: both are good! As for my colleague Undecim, I will note that he could hardly have anything to do with your warnings. As for you personally, I think that by the harshness of your judgments you discredit your own worldview to a much greater extent than if it were stated emotionally.
        9. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 16: 18
          +1
          somehow you were imbued with the spirit of polemics, but not the essence. The eleventh did not know that Russia has the most advanced atomic reactor BN800, but at the same time he furiously waved his arms and kept repeating the same thing, like a parrot.
        10. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 16: 26
          +3
          but not the essence.
          How can I get the gist if my knowledge is extremely scarce on the merits?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 9 December 2020 14: 17
    +6
    Bar, you are an ignoramus and a boor. I do not even know if there is an area of ​​human knowledge and skills in which you are not ignorant. With such knowledge, even the profession of goldsmith will be too difficult for you. And you are trying to solve global issues.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 14: 30
    +7
    And you are trying to solve global issues.

    Viktor Nikolaevich, are you and Mikhail and Anton so interested in parallel worlds? drinks As if, out of all my good friends on the site (and Kind People!), They would be of interest only to Kind Doctor Avva2012 - but this is an inherent specificity of his work! request
    Bar, you are an ignoramus and a boor.

    I have not quarreled with anyone for a long time. If only someone runs into me. But in this case, I fully support your statement. hi
  • Undecim
    Undecim 9 December 2020 14: 33
    +10
    Viktor Nikolaevich, after all, you and Mikhail and Anton are so interested in parallel worlds
    I have a hobby - entomology. Therefore, when a curious specimen comes across, I cannot pass by. Moreover, if he is from a parallel world.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 14: 38
    +5
    I have a hobby - entomology.

    And the size of the sneaker is enough - to break through the chitin in the area of ​​the cephalothorax? wink
    Therefore, when a curious specimen comes across, I cannot pass by.

    It coincides very much with my statement about parallel worlds. EMNIP, in arthropods the ganglionic nervous system is different than in vertebrates. In principle, if chitin is counted as a skeleton - again, a parallel branch of development. hi
    Moreover, if he is from a parallel world.

    Solid Half-Life! The pry bars are not enough in the hands, like Mr. Freeman's. laughing
  • Undecim
    Undecim 9 December 2020 15: 04
    +6
    And the size of the sneaker is enough
    This is not our method. Gel "Global" is much more effective.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 15: 14
    +4
    This is not our method. Gel "Global" is much more effective.

    Earlier they would say - "dust". This is already unsportsmanlike. You do not leave the enemy a chance. laughing
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 18: 25
    +4
    Quote: Undecim
    And the size of the sneaker is enough
    This is not our method. Gel "Global" is much more effective.

    I have not seen him for "a century". I buy: Kuzya gel and something else, I don't remember now, and cleans pretty well
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 18: 21
    +4
    Viktor Nikolaevich, you +: delicately, but specify the origin of your opponent
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 39
    +4
    What order of insects are you especially interested in? Coleoptera?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 9 December 2020 18: 58
    +5
    Yes, even lepidoptera.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 19: 07
    +3
    Everything is understandable: both Coleoptera and Lepidoptera. And the Ips typographus picture on our forum has become clearer.
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 15: 12
    +3
    Quote: Bar1
    not Christians, there are no crosses, or maybe these shields belong to Muslims

    Where did the Muslim knights come from in England in 1270? I would still believe in aliens. They hang around on their soup bowls everywhere. But Muslims ...
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 15: 19
    +6
    Where did the Muslim knights come from in England in 1270?

    Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you learn history at all? belay At the end of the 12th century, at least one sailed there. The film "Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves" will not let you lie! stop

    and King Richard the Lionheart wrote the family shield for him personally. yes


    And so it was! laughing drinks
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 54
    +2
    This is not Richard, this is Bond, James Bond.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 9 December 2020 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    Where did the Muslim knights come from in England in 1270? I would still believe in aliens. They hang around on their soup bowls everywhere. But Muslims ...

    there are studies that Sarmatians served in England during the time of King Arthur. What religion they were is unknown.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 17: 44
    +4
    Quote: Bar1
    there are studies that Sarmatians served in England during the time of King Arthur.

    laughing
    Today, only Yandex-Zen recommended an article to me. laughing
    https://life.ru/p/1259546
    It? smile
  • Engineer
    Engineer 9 December 2020 22: 26
    +3
    If we put aside the exercises in literature and the speculation of the creators of the Hollywood film, then we know;
    From Dion Cassius 5500 Sarmatians sent by Marcus Aurelius to serve in Britain
    Found a Signifer tombstone with a Sarmatian dragon badge and scale armor in Britain.
    Of course from Marcus Aurelius to Ambrose Aurelian more than 200 years, but nevertheless
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 23: 55
    +4
    Quote: Engineer
    from Marcus Aurelius to Ambrose Aurelian for over 200 years

    Not three hundred? XNUMXnd and XNUMXth centuries AD, in my opinion ... However, it does not matter.
    In any case, to say that the Sarmatians (okay, at least some Alans smile ) were present in Britain in the XNUMXth century, you need to be very courageous.
    However, in this case, no one categorically stated anything.
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 18: 39
    +4
    Quote: Bar1
    then in England during the time of King Arthur Sarmatians served

    And Merlin wrote them a letter for the nobility ... Here was my article about King Arthur, what is true and what is legend, and how many of these "Arturs" were. What exactly are you talking about?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 19: 34
    +4
    Wouldn't trust an old respected charlatan. Maybe the money was urgently needed to fix the Round Table.
  • BAI
    BAI 9 December 2020 20: 42
    +1
    there are studies that Sarmatians served in England during the time of King Arthur. What religion they were is unknown.

    And according to these studies
    film "King Arthur" 2004. filmed in an attempt to add reality to the legend of King Arthur, a famous character in British legends
    ?

    Can't resist quoting:
    That is, most likely, the legend about one of the kings of the Huns-Rus, which became the source of inspiration for the German poets of the 13th century. also found a dedicated audience in Britain. Actually, in the legend about "Dietrich of Berne" it is indicated that only Etzel-Attila and his wife Helkha planted and overthrew kings in Europe at their own will, so that no one disputed the power of the Hun-Rus.

    And this is the value of the film, that it shows the identity of the Sarmatians and the Rus, and says simply and without fuss that this is the opinion of the Anglo-Saxon cultural community
  • BAI
    BAI 9 December 2020 20: 44
    +6
    In general, the authors of the film brilliantly managed to carry out the famous action with an owl. This is rarely possible for anyone, but the filmmakers did it.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 01: 09
    0
    Probably all pagans.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 13: 18
    +8
    Quote: Bar1
    Battle of Chaillot.

    Money again for the fish. laughing
    One hundred and fifty times you have been explained what is depicted in this miniature and why. For whom are you dumping all this crushed and repeatedly refuted nonsense?
    Do you know that the ancient Russians, in addition to being black, were generally all three-fingered? Here's the proof: an authentic XNUMXth-century drawing.

    All (!) People shown in the figure have strictly (!) Three toes, long legs and short bodies. This is exactly what a typical Rusich looked like in the XIII century.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 07: 41
    0
    Who do you think is where? The crescent moon is like the army of the Eastern Roman Empire, the city of Constantinople. You are right, the crescent without a cross was not Christian, but it became Muslim only after the conquest of Constantinople. The local historians are not researchers.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 10: 18
    +6
    Quote: Bar1
    Yes, it's very interesting, as usual, everything about the West. In Russia, there were no knights or emblems.

    Why not! Were !!! This brethren rolled over to Russia mainly at the call of the Roman popes, with coats of arms and all other attributes of knightly dignity. True, because of the Russian hospitality, they did not return home. The most famous hangouts and booguts are the Battle of the Neva, the Battle on the Ice. Sometimes they (knights) were invited to the kingdom, but the dear ones died. Periodically already at the "Kremlin get-together".
    Now seriously! Many cities of Russia had coats of arms, mainly at the suggestion of Peter, but they also had a different origin. For example, a two-headed eagle was awarded to Chernigov by the Polish king.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 9 December 2020 10: 37
      -2
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Why not! Were !!! This brotherhood rolled over to Russia mainly at the call of the popes, with

      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Now seriously! Many cities of Russia had coats of arms, mainly at the suggestion of Peter, but they also had a different origin.


      no, not so in Russia and for centuries there were coats of arms and it did not come from there, but the word
      -knight, as it is very similar to the distorted _rus_. And I do not believe in the "official" etymology, the fasmer has already pierced in many words.
      The OI does not at all consider the history of the Slavs in Germany and the Danubian Slavs. And there was a lot of things, including chivalry, and the Cossacks, even according to the OI, called themselves knights.
      Your Russophobic story is already bored, especially against the background of the West's constant hostility to Russia, but such articles about the West cause only a feeling of rejection, and your enthusiastic comments too.
      1. kalibr
        9 December 2020 11: 10
        +5
        knight - ritter - ritzar ...
        Quote: Bar1
        OI does not at all consider the history of the Slavs in Germany and the Danubian Slavs.

        Do not break into an open door: Google - dissertations on a topic of interest to you (watch), monographs (watch), articles (watch).
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 9 December 2020 11: 29
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          knight - ritter - ritzar ...
          Quote: Bar1
          OI does not at all consider the history of the Slavs in Germany and the Danubian Slavs.

          Do not break into an open door: Google - dissertations on a topic of interest to you (watch), monographs (watch), articles (watch).

          in these "open doors" knights and their armor ALWAYS belong to Western civilization. It is not possible to find Russian, Mongolian, Tartar knights.
          But this does not mean that what the oishniks write is true. For example, it is known that there were no copper mines in Russia and all copper was imported, but this is not true. I found a mention that the old Tula iron mines also contained copper ore. Geologists say this, but historians, as usual, do not know.
          1. kalibr
            9 December 2020 11: 30
            +3
            Quote: Bar1
            I found mention that the old Tula iron mines also contained copper ore.

            Did someone hide it? Or what?
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 9 December 2020 12: 10
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              Did someone hide it? Or what?


              yeah, you didn’t know, according to your history, copper and gold, and silver, and iron (high-quality) are all imported to Russia? There was nothing in Russia, therefore there can be no armor for knights either.
              Although the very word
              -copper is a Russian word even for fasmer. Well, from the word
              -copper comes the word -metal, although the word metal is no longer Russian.
              This is OI.
              Here is an article, so as not to raise academic publications, they say there that
              The extraction of non-ferrous metals on the territory of Russia was practically absent until the XNUMXth century.
              this is written by our staff historian Samsonov in 15g.
              https://topwar.ru/76308-iz-istorii-russkoy-metallurgii.html
              1. kalibr
                9 December 2020 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: Bar1
                this is written by our staff historian Samsonov in 15g.

                You know, we found someone to refer to. Forgotten ... is he a doctor or candidate of historical sciences? And what was his dissertation called ...
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 9 December 2020 14: 12
                  0
                  Quote: kalibr
                  You know, we found someone to refer to. Forgotten ... is he a doctor or candidate of historical sciences? And what was his dissertation called ...


                  Samsonov is not an authority for you. Well, is Academician Rybakov an authority?
                  Rybakov. Crafts in ancient Russia.



                  or here is a link to the archaeologist Spitsyn


                  those. we can already say that academic science claimed that there were no mines of its own in Russia, and that everything that was good and complicated was imported.
                  However, of course you knew all this, just fool your head.
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 9 December 2020 15: 10
                    +3
                    add on the ancient mines

                    In 1989, an archaeological expedition of the Academy of Sciences of Russia led by Professor E.N. Chernykha studied numerous ancient settlements of miners in the Kargalinskaya steppe (Orenburg region), dating back to the 500th-XNUMXnd millennia BC. The total surface area with traces of old mine workings is about XNUMX square kilometers. During the excavations, miners' dwellings, numerous casting molds, remains of ore and slag, stone and copper tools, as well as other items, indicating that the Kargalinskaya steppe was one of the largest mining and metallurgical centers of antiquity, were discovered.
                    https://lostworlds.mirtesen.ru/blog/43436402969/Drevnie-rudniki
                    So copper was also dumped in the Orenburg region.
                  2. kalibr
                    9 December 2020 18: 40
                    +3
                    What does copper have to do with the heraldic crescent?
                  3. Bar1
                    Bar1 10 December 2020 08: 35
                    0
                    Quote: kalibr
                    What does copper have to do with the heraldic crescent?

                    where is the crescent moon?
                    It was about the lies of historians who claimed that in Russia there were mines with iron and copper. In the Tula region, where iron production was ALWAYS developed, iron itself was produced from ore, and copper could be obtained from iron ore mining waste - pyrites. there is information that copper ores were mined in the Orenbursk region.
                    Here we can say so. Academic science reacted to the question of finding ores in ancient Russia and made the wrong conclusions. There was not only ores, but there was the production of metals, and therefore products. And therefore all these "Norman" swords become Russian swords.
                    And without even examining the question that the same Varangians from Vagria and Ryugen are essentially Slavic tribes.
                    As for knightly armor, here it is: it is necessary to conduct a clear investigation of all the armor in our museums, it seems that one can find inscriptions on them both in Cyrillic and Arabic. What our current Russophobic science does not allow us to do.
                  4. kalibr
                    10 December 2020 08: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Bar1
                    that on them you can find inscriptions in both Cyrillic and Arabic. What our current Russophobic science does not allow to create one.

                    Read my article here on VO about Arabic inscriptions on our armor. Nobody forbids studying them. They are on the sabers of Minin and Pozharsky, there are on the glorious helmet "Alexander Nevsky". I already wrote to you, if you do not know something due to your ignorance, this does not mean that it does not exist. This material, for example, appeared in the journal "Archeology of the USSR" back in 1956: https://swordmaster.org/2010/05/10/af-medvedev-k-istorii-plastinchatogo-dospexa-na.html
                  5. Bar1
                    Bar1 10 December 2020 09: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Read my article here on VO about Arabic inscriptions on our armor. Nobody forbids studying them. They are on the sabers of Minin and Pozharsky, there are on the glorious helmet "Alexander Nevsky"

                    Well, you are lying like a typical Russophobe, or rather, you are juggling the facts. Firstly, reading the same inscriptions on the Jericho cap says that at least in Russia Arabic speech and writing were in use, which is denied by the OI, which states that everything was imported, for a reason " low quality iron "mined in Russia. But this is not the case in the Tula region, there were quite themselves ores with good iron content and quality, as well as pyrites from which it was possible to extract copper, and this is a fact.
                    Secondly, you have just given a link to the study of plate armor, although it was about knightly armor. here again your rigging.
                    Well, the fact that historians arbitrarily interpret the old inscriptions is evidenced by my research into the inscription of the original law on St. George's Day, when they read something completely different from what is actually written, and this is an open misrepresentation in order to hide the true facts of history.
                  6. kalibr
                    10 December 2020 11: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Bar1
                    Secondly, you just gave a link to the study of plate armor, although it was about knightly armor.

                    And plate armor is the knightly era of chain mail armor 1250-1410. "White armor" in Russia did not exist, if they were brought, then only as overseas curiosities.
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                  8. Bar1
                    Bar1 10 December 2020 15: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Quote: Bar1
                    And this is already an open misrepresentation in order to hide the true facts of history.

                    Ugh on you!


                    as soon as I allow myself this, so admins instantly swoop in and fine. And here, as we see, the obvious rudeness is not reflected in the face of this gentleman. This selectivity, double standards is what is called democracy, when the laws are not written for everyone.
                    The site is politicized, one can say everything even nasty things, to others not. We will note this Smirnov.
                  9. kalibr
                    10 December 2020 15: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Bar1
                    This kind of selectivity, double standards is what is called democracy when laws are not written for everyone.

                    They are not written for stubborn ignoramuses - that's for sure!
                  10. kalibr
                    10 December 2020 15: 33
                    -1
                    These are the words of Yuri Miloslavsky from the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession". Didn't you know? And everything that is said in the movie can be quoted, there is nothing like that! Do you know what he said then? "Ugh at you for the second time!" See movie search!
                  11. Bar1
                    Bar1 10 December 2020 22: 26
                    +2
                    I won't talk to you anymore, you are just an unpleasant person.
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 11: 57
    +4
    Quote: Bar1
    It is not possible to find Russian, Mongolian, Tartar knights.

    Gorelik. M.V. Mongol-Tatar weapons of the second half of the XIV - early XV centuries. // The Kulikovo battle in the history and culture of our Motherland. M., 1983. Enjoy. There are graphic sketches from miniatures of that time.

    Mikhail V. Gorelik. The armies of the Mongol-Tatars of the X-XIV centuries. Martial art, weapons, equipment. Download for free
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 9 December 2020 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Bar1
      It is not possible to find Russian, Mongolian, Tartar knights.

      Gorelik. M.V. Mongol-Tatar weapons of the second half of the XIV - early XV centuries. // The Kulikovo battle in the history and culture of our Motherland. M., 1983. Enjoy. There are graphic sketches from miniatures of that time.

      Mikhail V. Gorelik. The armies of the Mongol-Tatars of the X-XIV centuries. Martial art, weapons, equipment. Download for free

      this is not enough, but where is the Russian knightly armor in museums, is it there, or is it only German? I don't see Russian armor in museums.
      Gorelik has no Russian armor, but there is a Mogol Tatar OI in its reading.
      1. kalibr
        9 December 2020 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        where Russian knightly armor in museums, they are

        So we didn't need forged armor ... But chain mail and helmets are enough ...
      2. kalibr
        9 December 2020 12: 56
        +4
        Quote: Bar1
        this is not enough, but where is the Russian knightly armor in museums, is it there, or is it only German? I don't see Russian armor in museums.

        Who am I spending my time on here, posting photos of effigies and artifacts? Or does it all pass through you without stopping?
        There were three periods of the genesis of armor in Europe: the era of chain mail, until 1250, when the armor of Russian soldiers and knights of Europe differed only in the helmet and wearing surcoat, the era of mixed chain-plate armor - there are a lot of armor of this time both in the Armory and Art. the museum and the Hermitage, and the differences from the western ones are again the helmet, up to 1400. Finally, the era of "all-metal armor" - 1410 - 1700. This is armor. We did not have this period, since we possessed the skills of archery from a horse, and the knights did not. And we fought with nomads all the time, but they didn't. Therefore, the armor in our museums is only "from there". But chain mail and helmets, and bakhters, and - everything is there ...
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 14: 51
          +5
          Who am I spending my time on here, posting photos of effigies and artifacts? Or does it all pass through you without stopping?

          Or maybe he is from the Ministry of Education, in the care of increasing national knowledge, and works subtly? wink It's just that you and Mikhail are posting so many references to him that it is just right to give a certificate of honor for enlightening the masses. laughing
          1. kalibr
            9 December 2020 14: 59
            +4
            It’s a teaching habit, a noble gentleman, to teach, not to let perish in the darkness of ignorance ...
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 15: 01
            +5
            It’s a teaching habit, a noble gentleman, to teach, not to let perish in the darkness of ignorance ...

            Pane Kohanku, you can break your head about some "students"! what
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 49
            +3
            “You just don’t know how to cook them” (c).

            But what can be a virtual carrot and stick - I have not yet come up with it.
          4. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 20: 21
            +5
            But what can be a virtual carrot and stick - I have not yet come up with it.

            Long ago invented. Make a face in real life. Usually ended with a criminal article. request
          5. Korsar4
            Korsar4 9 December 2020 20: 24
            +4
            No. Another citizen O. Bender recommended respecting the Criminal Code.
          6. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 20: 27
            +4
            No. Another citizen O. Bender recommended respecting the Criminal Code.

            I will confirm it on my own experience ... drinks
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 15: 05
    +8
    Quote: kalibr
    Who am I spending my time on here, posting photos of effigies and artifacts?

    Is it really for him, Vyacheslav Olegovich? laughing
    In this case, I have to upset you - even a famous animal covered with beads over its ears will remain itself, and its interests will be limited to the search for suitable mud in any conditions. smile
    Until you start writing about Tartaria and the superethnos, the path to the head of this character has been ordered. However, I do not think that this is such a great loss for you. smile
    And about chivalry with its coats of arms and tournaments in Russia ... Here, I think, Vlad is right. A knight is not just a heavily armed horseman with a spear, it is a phenomenon that contains a whole complex of necessary components - military, economic, social, ethical, etc.
    Yes, there was heavy cavalry in Russia, and even by the end of the XIV century. she was, according to some researchers, heavier than knightly. But to call the Russian vigilantes and boyars knights personally, I can’t dare.
    First of all, the knight is the landowner. And not just a landowner, but a hereditary landowner. Hence, by the way, the need to transfer the coat of arms by inheritance, the preservation of its main details from generation to generation. And this main condition was absent in Russia until the XNUMXth century, and as soon as it appeared, it immediately led to a total orientation of military equipment in view of its cheapness.
    They did not hear about the code of knightly conduct in Russia, not that they adhere to it. Our ancestors were not up to it. Too harsh and poor living conditions (in terms of climate, first of all) and too many problems with steppe neighbors.
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 18: 42
      +5
      It's like that. And the explanations ... rather out of habit, Mikhail.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 9 December 2020 15: 13
    +4
    Very simplistic. The differences are still quite noticeable.
    Before the Mongols.
    Short chain mail predominates among Russian soldiers. No long sleeves or hoods. There were highways. Called nagavits
    Lamellar armor was and apparently were somewhat wider than in Western Europe.
    I have already posted this picture. Domash's appearance is very different from the knights. Although the picture is of course relative. This is 1242


    The 14th century, our brigantines coexist with other armor, including the classic scaly and lamellar ones. We do not have continuous armor protection of arms and legs. These are again notable differences.
    1. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 9 December 2020 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      Although the picture is of course relative. This is 1242

      Good afternoon, were these masks in use? Torquay I know they used those.
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 9 December 2020 16: 57
      +4
      Kind.
      If you get bored, then this is a half mask
      Domash's helmet was clearly drawn from the Nikolskaya find. Have Kirpichnikov
      12th - 1st half of the 13th century

      The Torks (or Cumans) have helmets with a mask. Grinning face with squeezed mustache
      The finds of Kovali and Lipovets
    3. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 9 December 2020 17: 04
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      If you get bored, then this is a half mask

      Well, if a half mask, then it's clear, there are no questions about them. I couldn't see it in the drawing, I thought it was a full mask. that's why he was surprised.
    4. Engineer
      Engineer 9 December 2020 17: 17
      +4
      re-read my message. Can be taken as a lunge. Please do not take personally
    5. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 9 December 2020 17: 23
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      re-read my message. Can be taken as a lunge. Please do not take personally

      Yes, I did not understand, everything is in order. hi
      The most famous helmet in Russia - Yaroslav our Vsevolodovich - immediately asks for half masks.
    6. Engineer
      Engineer 9 December 2020 20: 11
      +3
      There are finds of masks separately from helmets in the Russian cities of those who died from the Mongol invasion - Izyaslavl and Serensk. They are stylistically different from nomadic ones.
      Vasin reconstructed the mask from Iziaslavl for some reason with a scaly aventail.
      Although all the edges of the mask are broken off.
      http://www.tgorod.ru/index.php?topgroupid=2&groupid=7&subgroupid=5&contentid=224
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 18: 43
    +4
    Yes, this is from the book by D. Nicolas about the Battle on the Ice ... He then received all these photographs, articles by Medvedev, Gorelik and Kirpichnikov ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 48
    +2
    I hope you enjoy posting interesting photos.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 01: 02
    0
    How was chain mail made before 1250 and from what material? From the end of the 15th century, it will be of high quality. In 1390, Germany learned how to make wire using a water mill, and from the second half of the 15th century, blast furnaces appeared in Europe. It turns out that armor was easier to make before 1250.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 December 2020 12: 49
    +7
    Tell me, but in the Word about Igor's regiment there is no mention of knights ... Or is it a fake, like Zadonshchina? Where there is also no mention of knights.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 14: 47
      +4
      Or is it a fake, like Zadonshchina? Where there is also no mention of knights.

      Everything is fake. In general, everything. And we also live on the inner side of the Earth. And the authorities hide, and set up mind control towers! Behind all this is a shadow government - one of the hardest Anunnaki. wassat
      Daniel, okay? drinks
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 9 December 2020 15: 22
        +4
        Okeyushki ... got it laughing drinks
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 15: 27
          +5
          Okeyushki ... got it

          How scary to live! belay drinks
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 9 December 2020 16: 47
            +6
            How scary to live!
            ... Yes, the manuscripts were rewritten, the language was altered, the kings were changed, etc. smile
            1. depressant
              depressant 9 December 2020 17: 28
              +7
              Good evening everyone! )))
              Is Zadonshchina a fake? And I have it - a huge, heavy book with illustrations by Glazunov. There was also a special box for it, I don't know if it survived. Reluctance to go into the pantry to look, the ladder must be set, otherwise I will not get to the top shelf. Hmmm ...
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 9 December 2020 19: 04
                +5
                Is Zadonshchina a fake?
                No, of course, these are already people making fun of some, as their nonsense is already tired.
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 20: 26
                +4
                No, of course, these are already people making fun of some, as their nonsense is already tired.

                Alexey Anatolyevich, the most interesting thing is to prove it is useless. request I don't really try. Here only the Good Doctor can help - prescribe phenazepam, or an enema with valerian, forgive generously! drinks To each his own! laughing
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 51
      +5
      Is the sky nailed down?
      And if you go down the subway, can you get to the surface?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 20: 23
        +5
        And if you go down the subway, can you get to the surface?

        No, immediately into slavery. On the mines who-about-who-you-cannot-speak. Get mithril, give it to the Anunnaki. wink Sergei, don't take the subway! stop
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 9 December 2020 20: 26
          +3
          I walk on foot.
          And if, suddenly I go down - like a gopher periodically I look out of the mink.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 20: 30
            +4
            And if, suddenly I go down - like a gopher periodically I look out of the mink.

            What if a fox! fellow
            I usually use a taxi if I go to the center. You can stigmatize, but I value personal space as an ossified sociopath. drinks And to the house and back - I travel by car.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 20: 58
              +4
              The gopher is a small creature.
              The fox in the city can only be glad. Unless she's mad, of course.
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 20: 59
              +6
              Once I accompanied a German woman named Josephine to Petersburg and beyond. Her emotions upon entering the metro from the Moscow railway station in the morning are unforgettable.
            3. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 09: 16
              +4
              Her emotions upon entering the metro from the Moscow railway station in the morning are unforgettable.

              Josephine realized that this was not the lawn in front of Malmaison! laughing By the way, there is no metro in the area where I live. It takes at least half an hour to get to the nearest station in the morning ... But the last time I rode in the Moscow metro ten years ago - in December 2010 ...
            4. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 10 December 2020 10: 14
              +4
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Josephine realized that this was not the lawn in front of Malmaison!

              -Bonya, who advised you to climb into Russia?
              -Josephine!
              - Well, that would climb on Josephine!
              wassat
            5. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 10: 18
              +4
              - Well, that would climb on Josephine!

              Taki lied to Bonya! By 1812, either Maria-Louise or Mrs. Maria Valevskaya was advised here! drinks
              The behavior of Desiree Clari, the wife of Bernadotte, is interesting. While hubby fought with Bonya in 1813-14, the spouse was sitting in Paris and went to visit Bonin's family - to drive the seagull! request
            6. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 10 December 2020 10: 20
              +3
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              Interesting behavior of Desiree Clari - wife of Bernadotte

              It was she who felt a personal dislike for Bona that she could not eat?
              his ex-fiancee like? hi
            7. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 10: 54
              +3
              his ex-fiancee like?

              Exactly! She knocked on her husband Bone - that's the only way. At least that's what the French say in their historical programs.
              It was she who felt a personal dislike for Bona that she could not eat?

              It was she who told Bernadotte ... laughing
            8. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2020 11: 47
              +3
              Ay, gossips! You should write novels for a couple. laughing
            9. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 11: 57
              +3
              Ay, gossips! You should write novels for a couple.

              Oh, you, damn it, there is, noble minnesinger! belay And if it was so, should we not write about it? request That is, for the sake of false education, you are ready to sacrifice the historical truth, knight? wink I've already invented a coat of arms for you ... With a hedgehog ... drinks
            10. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2020 12: 02
              +3
              Uh-huh. And a hymn. "Hedgehog on the bazin"
            11. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 12: 32
              +4
              Uh-huh. And a hymn. "Hedgehog on the bazin"

              Hence, a short plot of the novel.
              End of the eighteenth century. The very young Otto von Igelschneutzchen, from an old noble family of Northern Pomerania, enters to serve as a fenric in the army of Frederick the Great. Years of training, classes, love affairs. By the turn of the century, he is already a colonel, and serves in the Russian guard. It was here that his personal acquaintance with the young Queen Louise took place. A young cheerful colonel, in a luxurious cocked hat, with an esponon and impeccably whipped curls, immediately charms the monarch's wife, and he himself is glad to drown in the Queen's huge blue eyes ... Gradually, a love triangle grows - Louise, Igelschneutzchen, the unsuspecting Friedrich Wilhelm III. 1806, the war with Napoleon begins. The triangle becomes a square - Alexander I joins. Despite all the advice and efforts of Igelschneitskin, the Prussian army suffers shameful defeats. Louise (separately from Friedrich-Wilhelm) saves herself along the Curonian Spit - to Memel. Igelschneitskin is nearby, and in a fierce battle, protecting the queen, personally destroys a whole platoon of French hussars. Then he gets into the Russian army, tries to give advice to Bennigsen, but he does not listen to him, and loses the battle at Friedland.
              Meeting in Tilsit. Napoleon joins the love square, and the square is no longer a square, but a pentagram.
              In general, the whole novel is adventures - chases - battles - love trash and frenzy.
              Igelschneitskhen is in the center of the action, swinging his sword and not only the sword, right and left. Well, the queen dies, everyone suffers ... Igelschneitskin goes to Russia to seek the truth, and then fights Napoleon in a partisan detachment under the command of Benckendorff, the future chief of gendarmes, with whom in 1814 (already the third volume of the novel) liberates the Netherlands from power Corsican.
              At the end of the novel, the heroic Igelschneitskin, at the head of the Prussian column, enters the defeated Paris ... soldier
              So the rules? wink drinks
            12. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2020 12: 40
              +2
              Natu`rlich, herr kapitan !!!
            13. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 12: 47
              +2
              Natu`rlich, herr kapitan !!!

              sixty years after the events described, one could say Hauptmann. By the way, with a capital letter - the rules of German! laughing
            14. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2020 13: 02
              +2
              No, look at this polyglot! I decided to learn German! If you play smart, I'll switch to Spanish !!!
            15. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 13: 04
              +2
              No, look at this polyglot! I decided to learn German! If you play smart, I'll switch to Spanish !!!

              I remember the Spanish spelling "egg". But it's better not to post it on the site - they won't understand. drinks
              Uh-huh. And to start somehow gracefully and non-trivial: a long time ago, in a distant galaxy ...

              A short plot of the novel then:
            16. Phil77
              Phil77 10 December 2020 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              I remember the Spanish spelling "egg". But it's better not to post it on the site - they won't understand

              Hi Nikolay, and you are like this! wink
              laughing
            17. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 December 2020 11: 26
              +2
              Hi Nikolay, and you are like this!

              This is exactly what I did not dare to write, but you, Sergey, are bolder! laughing drinks
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 12: 42
    +4
    To begin with, the overture. According to Gumilev. What was humanity doing at the end of the XNUMXth century.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 12: 44
    +3
    What was humanity doing at the end of the XNUMXth century.

    Yes, as usual - the war, the search for food and reproduction. drinks And the "military mankind" (with the exception of the revolutionary French and those who joined them) - also whipped bouclie. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 13: 12
    +4
    Then let's start with food.

    "Tea overseas master
    Loves fresh galantine "(c).
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 13: 20
    +4
    Tea overseas master

    Our minnesinger will then have a verse novel. Like Pushkin, only cooler. wink
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 13: 34
    +3
    I already wrote this. At school.
    "In an extremely shabby hut,
    On the banks of the ancient Neva waters,
    Where the forests are dark tops
    We've seen more than one people
    There was a family, Velma happily,
    Although she did not have a cornfield,
    But they had a chicken
    Pockmarked, variegated wing ... "
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 13: 47
    +4
    I already wrote this. At school.

    By the way, very good. Even better than Pushkin's ... good
    And here is the sequel to the novel:
    And, swinging a formidable saber,
    Our Igelshneitskhen went ahead.
    Behind him, without fear of war,
    Fuck the people of Germany! soldier

    (on the rise of the patriotic movement in Prussia in 1813)
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 13: 53
    +3
    In general, Uncle Zhenya will not work out of us ... request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 15: 02
    +4
    Почему нет?
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 December 2020 17: 18
    +5
    The script for the novel is wonderful!
    Confused only by the love pentagram, in which four of the five corners are male. smile In this regard, the question is: after the death of the queen, this geometric figure disintegrates completely or is it still preserved in the shape of a square? wink
    In the latter case, we have an almost ready-made script for Hollywood, it remains only to introduce into it for episodic roles Nadezhda Osipovna Hannibal - a "beautiful Creole" who will refuse everyone, and a disabled batman, old man Bair, a Kalmyk, a veteran of the Suvorov companies, who will give everyone, but exclusively on the neck ... smile
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 17: 38
    +3
    Confused only by the love pentagram, in which four of the five corners are male.
    That is, "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" does not bother you?
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 December 2020 18: 01
    +3
    If you take all my cousins, you get almost the same situation - five brothers and one sister. When they got together - that still turned out to be a company. So Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs for me personally are purely brothers and sisters. No vulgarity. smile
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 18: 07
    +4
    And in the described plot, after the death of the queen, the heroes can sit down and "paint a bullet" without fuss.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 December 2020 18: 56
    +4
    It will no longer be historical. If kings and emperors could gather so easily for a bullet, the world would be different, but it is what it is.
    Well, okay, let Nicholas first write a novel, and we will discuss the plot twists and turns when everything is ready. smile
  • Catfish
    Catfish 10 December 2020 21: 37
    +3
    I wonder why he immediately thought about Munchausen?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 21: 40
    +2
    Exclusively out of love for both melee weapons and firearms.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 19: 30
    +2
    Not only, I also like the Baron, as an extremely sociable person and inclined towards science fiction, of which I have always been a fan.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 19: 52
    +3
    He also managed the cherry pits well.

    The film with Yankovsky is a masterpiece.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 20: 07
    +2
    Yes, the movie is good. But, unfortunately, such pictures were possible only in Soviet times, at least in our country, in God-saved.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 22
    +2
    Maybe there are now films with dialogues. But those that I know in the 80s remained.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 20: 23
    +2
    Who will listen to them now, dialogues.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 27
    +2
    We. They read books.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 20: 30
    +2
    I'm not talking about us, good ones, I'm talking about a "young, unfamiliar tribe." laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 35
    +2
    There is. Students are able to open their ears. Of course, not all.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 20: 42
    +2
    It's easier for you not to lose faith in the future of mankind, and here from the youth I have no one to communicate with, we do not intersect, there is nothing. request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 46
    +2
    A couple more semesters of distance learning - and a lot will be done.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 20: 49
    +2
    I'm afraid that, if not after a couple of semesters, then after a couple of years of the reign of the current character, we will all be finished off without any help from across the ocean.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 56
    +2
    There was an idea to keep a "Ship's Journal", noting the happened nonsense.
    So far, however, I am writing down more interesting things.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 21: 10
    +2
    Nonsense is equally important. I hope you can quote sometime on some topic.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 21: 55
    +2
    I agree. It seems too early for the memoirs. But I love notebooks since my school chess past.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 22: 40
    +2
    Yeah ... there were times.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 22: 42
    +2
    Yes, the times remained in some way. I’m thinking - is it too much time spent?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 22: 43
    +2
    And, no matter how much it is spent, still little is allowed for life.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 22: 55
    +2
    And every year time flies faster.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 23: 21
    +2
    "And the years are flying, our years are flying like birds ..." (c)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 23: 26
    +2
    "My years are my wealth" (c).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 11 December 2020 23: 42
    +3
    But what for a wealth?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 23: 48
    +2
    “So that old age is not a heavy burden -
    Wisdom would lay on your shoulders "(c).

    While living is interesting. On the other hand, a fellow of the same age is now in intensive care. Difficult situation.

    It's not a whimper in a waistcoat. So, Notes from Life.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 12 December 2020 00: 01
    +3
    For me, resuscitation after aneurysm is a passed stage. After a week of dreary felting there, discharge to the "normal" ward was like a holiday. I spent another month, saved my son, in late autumn, in the rain, drove on my bike from Moscow to Ryazan and brought me a laptop with a bunch of pumped-up books and films, otherwise I would have hung myself out of boredom, and the efforts of the doctors would have been wasted.
    And what about a friend? I am already a "specialist" in resuscitation. smile
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 12 December 2020 00: 04
    +2
    Exactly this. Abdominal aorta. As far as I understand, there was a resection with prosthetics.
    Discharged to a regular ward. The phone was answered. And back to intensive care.

    A few years ago, bypass surgery was already done. The vessels are bad.

    Not as a doctor, I say - I can blurt out something.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 12 December 2020 00: 18
    +2
    My vessels are also rubbish, as the doctors call it, they sewed "trousers" in place of the vessels, now my legs ache from a long walk.
    Sergey, if a friend needs a consultation, then I have the best vascular doctor in Ryazan, he pulled me out of the other world, now we are friends with families. If you can call me, do not hesitate and hesitate.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 12 December 2020 07: 07
    +2
    Thank you very much, Konstantin.
    Andrey was taken from Korolev to Botkinskaya. The operation was done there.

    True, I planned to do it at the beginning of the year. And then the coronavirus measures intervened.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 11 December 2020 20: 11
    +3
    Quote: Korsar4
    Yankovsky


    Excellent actor! good
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 December 2020 20: 25
    +2
    Yes. "The same Munchausen." "An ordinary miracle". "My Sweet and Tender Beast". "Flights in dreams and in reality". And much more.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 12: 40
    +4
    Organize. You choose a topic. And you collect historical anecdotes. You can find the main character on the forum.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 12: 43
    +3
    How can I give up my favorite epic about "Captain Mikhailov" ???
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 12: 47
    +4
    Then develop - to an action-packed novel, with variations. If you turn on the heroine, call her Varenka.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 12: 55
    +4
    If you turn on the heroine, call her Varenka.

    Why Varenkoy? .. belay
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 13: 11
    +3
    At school, in literature lessons, Pushkin should have been read, not Hustler!
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 13: 11
    +3
    At school, in literature lessons, Pushkin should have been read, not Hustler!

    I read Pushkin ... belay
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 13: 20
    +2
    Yes, I dull it request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 13: 14
    +4
    From the word "variation". The character can be changeable.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 13: 15
    +3
    From the word "variation". The character can be changeable.

    Ahh ..... and I thought it was originally the concept of a foreigner ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 13: 17
    +4
    Yeah. Like Thekla from Intervention.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 12: 57
    +3
    Uh-huh. And to start somehow gracefully and non-trivial: a long time ago, in a distant galaxy ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 13: 16
    +4
    This one was already:
    "In the distant constellation Tau Ceti" (c).

    I don't have enough imagination to tell about the Cetagandans.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 02
    +3
    "One name is Evdondokhya,
    And the other - Snandulya "(C)
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 14: 13
    +3
    "One name is Evdondokhya,
    And the other - Snandulya "(C)

    We will call one of them Clarochka, and the other - Rose. In honor of Clara Zetkin and Rosa Luxemburg, comrades! (Chairman of the House Committee Shvonder) yes
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 26
    +2
    "Oh Hermione! Hermione!" (FROM)
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 14: 28
    +3
    "Oh Hermione! Hermione!" (FROM)

    To her then, according to the plot, you will have to introduce Harry Potter. "Dirty Harry" Potter. laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 31
    +2
    Actually, I was quoting Shakespeare ...
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 14: 42
    +3
    Actually, I was quoting Shakespeare ...

    Which piece is it from? Sorry, it turns out I was stupid ... recourse But add Dirty Harry to the novel! stop laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 44
    +2
    "Winter's Tale"
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 14: 54
    +3
    "Winter's Tale"

    Alas for me, alas ... I did not know! Do not read! recourse
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 58
    +2
    I haven't read either. Collected and carried out repeatedly.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 15: 13
    +3
    Collected and carried out repeatedly.

    Did you collect drunk artists from dressing rooms and bring them to life? And pushed on the stage with a magic pendel? How is Ivan Zaikin? drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 15: 18
    +2
    No, very few people went on stage drunk. And so that in the trash, I remember only one case.
    But the case with Nina Urgant, described by Weller, really happened. Old-timers told.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 15: 05
    +3
    Do you want to start with matriarchy? This is to Hesse.

    "Domostroy" is our everything. Although not everyone likes.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 15: 11
    +3
    This is to Hesse.
    Or to Gromov "A Thousand and One Days"
  • Fat
    Fat 12 December 2020 12: 40
    +1
    he named his son Oak - you give improved concrete, and daughter Pine - boldly master modern scientific agricultural technology (C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 12: 38
    +4
    She broke into a cry addressed to both humanity and the Universe at once.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 14: 33
    +3
    Urbi and orbi
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 15: 06
    +5
    More precisely to Russia and the Petersburg metro in the morning.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 15: 09
    +2
    And, I just did not catch which branch your comment belongs to.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 15: 38
    +2
    And, I just did not catch which branch your comment belongs to.

    I always insert the quote first. So that the interlocutor is not lost. yes We have a normal metro! tongue drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 15: 47
    +1
    Have you visited it for a long time? laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 15: 59
    +3
    Have you visited it for a long time?

    It seems when we went to the "Petrovskaya Aquatoria" with you. In other words, in March. laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 16: 01
    +2
    That's it, and I was then.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 16: 03
    +3
    That's it, and I was then.

    I lied. When I went to a booze with you in early July. drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2020 16: 07
    +3
    And I thought, why did you get from Gorokhovaya to the Executive Committee for so long recourse
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 December 2020 13: 34
    +4
    Your Russophobic story is already bored, especially against the background of the West's constant hostility to Russia, but such articles about the West cause only a feeling of rejection, and your enthusiastic comments too.
    Drink poison!
    1. Fat
      Fat 9 December 2020 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Drink poison!

      Better midol. It's available))))))
      "Anyone at home can cook" Midol "to the delight of himself and others.
      Composition of "Midol": Table salt. Fixing salt. Sugar. Cologne "Chypre". Kerosene. Denatured alcohol. Student's ink blue. Liquid soap. Garlic juice. Vinegar. Ammonium alcohol. Household insecticide. Furniture varnish. Table mustard. Pharmacy castor. Nail polish. Cucumber pickle. Fish oil. Mix, shake and insist. "(C)
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 56
        +3
        Mddya ... "Tear of the Komsomol member" is resting ...
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 9 December 2020 19: 01
          +3
          So I'm thinking - what good products to translate: fish oil, brine.
          No. This mixture is not for the white man.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 14
            +3
            This mixture is not for the white man.
            Ha! And you thought ?! This is the "white man's burden" !!!
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 19: 30
              +4
              I understand the British: a whiskey cork helmet.
              Our option: boots that were cleaned with tar. Here it smells of the Russian spirit.
          2. Fat
            Fat 9 December 2020 19: 24
            +2
            Quote: Korsar4
            So I'm thinking - what good products to translate: fish oil, brine.
            No. This mixture is not for the white man.

            Well I do not know. Here's the ad:
            On the other side of the signature, a verse was written in the same hand:
            Five liters of my mixture
            Drink with a single reception -
            And you will become a healthier bull
            And you will always be unharmed.
            Not the antics of women
            No viruses predatory flock
            You will not be driven into a coffin -
            Live fun and shine!
            - Excuse me, - Alexei Possible was surprised. - There you have it written "five
            liters. "Is this not a slip of the tongue?
            - No, this is not a slip of the tongue, - answered the Old Man. - Need to drink in one go
            just so much - not a gram less, not a gram more. And then "Midol"
            will have its beneficial effect.
            (C)
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 19: 32
              +5
              Where is it from?
              I liked the Potions professor right away. But the combination of ingredients is also important.
              1. Fat
                Fat 9 December 2020 19: 43
                +5
                Vadim Shefner. From the story "The Belated Shooter, or the Wings of a Provincial" (1967) I recently re-read it and was once again impressed
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 9 December 2020 20: 22
                +3
                Thanks. I will tick myself after this name.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 9 December 2020 19: 17
      +5
      Cologne "Chypre", household insecticide, what can you replace? Fish fat in capsules will go? laughing wink
      1. Fat
        Fat 9 December 2020 19: 30
        +5
        Quote: parusnik
        Cologne "Chypre", household insecticide, what can you replace? Fish fat in capsules will go?

        I did not dare to experiment even with the original recipe, and you are asking about replacements. wassat
        - No, I can't drink five liters, - answered the Old Man. “But I train on beer every day. I can drink four bottles of beer at once. My old woman is unhappy with this and sometimes even resorts to beatings, but I continue training. In three years I will reach ten bottles - and then one fine day, instead of beer, I will take the right dose of Midol and by personal example
        I will show people the way to health and longevity ... True, first I will need to overcome the vomiting barrier. And how to overcome it - I do not know yet.
        - What do you mean by the concept of "vomiting barrier"? - asked
        Alex.
        - The fact is, - said the Old Man, sadly dropping his head, - the fact is that my mixture, even in small doses, causes uncontrollable bouts of nausea.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 9 December 2020 19: 35
          +4
          It's a pity, it's a pity ... But I really wanted to .. laughing
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 38
        +3
        What "Chypre", only "Triple" !!!
  • ee2100
    ee2100 9 December 2020 11: 25
    +1
    "This brethren rolled over to Russia mainly at the call of the popes, with coats of arms and all other attributes of knightly dignity." (C) Again you tell fairy tales for children of preschool and primary school age.
    "The most famous parties and bugs are the Battle of the Neva, the Battle on the Ice." (C) and again lies. As one guest writes here - learn the mat part.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 12: 21
      +5
      Tales

      ... c) and again a lie. As one guest writes here - learn the mat part

      You don’t even give a chance!
      And if so, you're lying FSE, poufs in the studio !!!
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 9 December 2020 12: 36
        -1
        Go crazy! Write again about the fact that the Russians fought in felt boots on Lake Peipsi. I can assume from myself that the knights were on skates. Skates were invented in Holland.
  • kalibr
    9 December 2020 10: 37
    +5
    Quote: Bar1
    In Russia there were no knights or coats of arms.

    Everything was. Even tournaments ...
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 12: 56
      +5
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Bar1
      In Russia there were no knights or coats of arms.

      Everything was. Even tournaments ...

      Here Vyacheslav Olegovich, you get up a fine line, what is considered Rus?
      So, for example, being in the western limits, our princes and their entourage did not shy away from knightly amusements. Princes from Rugov or Rus' are often mentioned in the chronicles of tournaments of those years. There were also fun on the lists in Russia, but whether they should be considered knightly tournaments is an open question. I would not, for example.
      But if you take Russia in a volumetric sense. For example, at different stages of its existence, it included areas from the traditional knightly culture. Livonia, Courland, the western lands of Belarus, Ukraine, Polish lands, etc. For you, the Ostezian Germans and Polish lords, whose ancestors with coats of arms on their shields converged in tournaments and performed dressed brothers of knightly orders, honestly and did not really serve the Ruhr kings, emperors and general secretaries. Quite a few even today heralds pull the strap on the earth, which for many centuries remains the only fatherland. I personally know several people who have been awarded the coats of arms by Polish or Czech rabbits or by the German emperor.
      The rest of the "noblemen" who have their own personal coats of arms can generally boast of “their salary by his (or her“ majesty ”) at a much later time of duels!
      Others in the mass are the owners of "a finger on the floor, door and ceiling" either bought and heraldically faithful or by themselves (like me) invented and, accordingly, not faithful.
      Now let's get back to the images on the shields. They were known in Russia, but these are still trends of Eastern traditions, and not the rules of the heraldic school of the West.
      And last but not least, in Russia for a long time one of the solutions to civil law issues remained a judicial duel. There were a lot of their last within our borders, but to present this event as a knightly tournament?
      So we will assume that the fashion for knightly duels has nevertheless reached Russia, but it has not received a systematic and organizationally correct character. And it was too late for chivalry, the 17th century was in the yard.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 12: 50
    +5
    Quote: Bar1
    In Russia there were no knights or coats of arms.

    Did not have. In reality, there have never been knights (although there has been heavy cavalry since the time of Yaroslav the Wise at least), and the coats of arms appeared later than everyone else - already, practically, in the New Time.
    So what? Was it worse for people from this?
    Or, for you, knights and coats of arms are a sign of advanced development, such that you just can't do without them? laughing
    Calm down, don't worry like that. There were no knights in Russia because they were not needed. They also coped with vigilantes, boyars. It was too expensive a pleasure - knights. Give everyone land, castle, and at any moment he can ... not respond to the call or say "I'm tired" and throw home from the war.
    And there were no knights - there were no their coats of arms. Why coats of arms without knights?
    Coats of arms of cities? They appear only in the XNUMXth century, if my memory serves me right.
    Before that, there were only emblems, signs, tamgas, etc. Need to explain the difference? With the change of the ruler in the city, its symbolism on the seals in official documents also changed. These emblems were not inherited and were not limited by strict rules on how to compose and depict them.
    Quote: Bar1
    Pyzhikov, a real researcher, dug up a lot of things, and for this you need to know the places where all this is

    Basically, everything that Pyzhikov "dug up", he dug either in his own head, or a meter lower. Personally, I have no desire to "know" these places. Pyzhikov is an inventor and a dreamer, by the way, just like the author of the article, who at one time was engaged in nothing more than the history of the CPSU ... But, unlike Shpakovsky, he turned out to be completely devoid of conscience and scientific cleanliness, forged into pseudo-history and began to carry unsubstantiated, unconfirmed blizzard. Of all the pseudo-historical fraternity, this type is perhaps the only one who has a specialized historical education and an academic degree (from those known to me, in any case), such an exception, usually people with a technical education are engaged in pseudo-history in our country, not necessarily even a higher one, but here a whole Doctor of Historical Sciences. The family has its black sheep, the more disgusting were his far-fetched attempts to make money by distorting history.
    Why did Pyzhikov dug up about knights and heraldry? In a nutshell, can you? laughing
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 9 December 2020 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Why did Pyzhikov dug up about knights and heraldry? In a nutshell, can you?

      compared to Pyzhikov, you are just a trilobite.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 16: 51
        +5
        What a wonderful argument ... laughing
        I wanted to trample on Pyzhikov, I thought you would enlighten me now about his concepts on the issue under consideration, but apparently not destiny ...
        Can you change your mind after all? Will you bring enlightenment to the masses? Otherwise we'll die here as ignoramuses ... crying
    2. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 9 December 2020 16: 50
      +5
      In reality, there have never been knights (although there has been heavy cavalry since the time of Yaroslav the Wise at least), and the coats of arms appeared later than everyone else - already, practically, in the New Time.
      So what? Was it worse for people from this?
      Chief, chief, everything was gone, there were no coats of arms, there were no knights too, the chronology was not correct, the manuscripts were rewritten .. laughing
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 17: 04
        +4
        I really don’t understand what Bar and his fellows need. Now they want to ascribe chivalry to themselves? What for? Just out of principle or what?
        This is just some kind of pathology - to grab and appropriate everything that you see. Historical kleptomania ...
        So we get to the point that the first monkey, who took a stick in his hands, and cracking it on the head of a neighbor, said in pure Russian something like: "Rebzya, look, I have something! Now all of you are kabzda!" And the neighbor who received the kumpol, not otherwise, squealed: "Oi-wei, for sho?" laughing wassat
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 17: 59
          +3
          And here I am, Mikhail, I don’t understand why Shpakovsky didn’t please you?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 19: 45
            +2
            What is this about, Anton?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 49
              +2
              as well as the author of the article,
              About it.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 22: 38
                +2
                Clear.
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Pyzhikov is an inventor and a dreamer, (pause smile) by the way, just like the author of the article, who at one time was engaged in nothing more than the history of the CPSU (end of sentence smile ) ... But, unlike Shpakovsky, he turned out to be completely devoid of conscience and scientific cleanliness,

                I hope Vyacheslav Olegovich understood me correctly ... what smile
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2020 22: 45
                  +3
                  Shpakovsky didn't even read it, but I was slightly offended. For Shpakovsky's articles give me a vector for self-development
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 9 December 2020 23: 49
                    +3
                    It's just that our "patriots" like to reproach Shpakovsky in his past as a historian of the CPSU. It seemed to me that it would be appropriate to remind them that Pyzhikov was doing the same thing, only at a higher level, nothing more.
                    Yes, it probably turned out a little awkward. request The thought could have been formulated more successfully.
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 December 2020 23: 52
                    +2
                    Good. I understood.
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 10 December 2020 08: 45
        0
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        I really don’t understand what Bar and his fellows need. Now they want to ascribe chivalry to themselves? What for? Just out of principle or what?

        yourself? In general, I am engaged in history and something is already emerging, as in matters with mines and the manufacture of metals in Russia. Here is an obvious lie of academic science.
        Who are you and what are you doing here? As I understand it, you are on the other side of Russia i.e. are you from there?
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Just out of principle or what?

        I am from the principle of historicity, but you are bending your fingers here because of money, of course?
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 05: 37
    +6
    Thank you Vyacheslav Olegovich! There is something to read and see, and getting sincere pleasure.
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 10: 41
      +2
      Glad you like it. I also like this topic, and since childhood, as I wrote in the first article. I dreamed of making a gift for my wife a box with the family coat of arms, inlaid with bone, but it didn't work out. And now he could, but his eyes fail ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2020 05: 39
    +10
    Good morning friends! smile
    Vyacheslav, everything is very nice and entertaining. Separately, I was pleased with the peculiar code of rules and pious behavior for these notorious thugs and marauders: "Pokeda trumpet trumpet trumpet three times, do not dare to rob, others will have nothing!" wink
    But. they were also romantics, they wrote rhymes at their leisure between bloodletting, people lived beautifully and interestingly!
    But cups and bowls on the emblems are of particular interest to me, what would this mean in terms of meaning? Because the butcher's cleavers were very surprised, and what they mean as a symbol, I don’t understand, maybe the owner of this coat of arms liked to shred the captive audience of infidels? And, Vyacheslav, how does this stand for?
    Thank you for everything and look forward to continuing. drinks
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 9 December 2020 06: 37
      +9
      With a pipe catches the eye. Approximately now, in the theater as well: before the third bell it is time to stop robbing the buffet.
    2. kalibr
      9 December 2020 07: 11
      +6
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Because the butcher's cleavers were very surprised, and what they mean as a symbol, I don’t understand, maybe the owner of this coat of arms liked to shred the captive audience from infidels? And, Vyacheslav, how does this stand for?

      I dont know. Many coats of arms are not explained. It's just there. What is on them and why no one knows.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 9 December 2020 15: 07
        +1
        Indeed, who would have thought that this toothy jumper over the fire
        is here (though with tied paws so far)
        and here
        I apologize for some digression.
    3. kalibr
      9 December 2020 10: 41
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Thank you for everything and look forward to continuing.

      Ready ... two!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 06: 36
    +5
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Very interesting.
    And Pushkin's Poor Knight - was Llull the prototype? Or someone else?
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 07: 09
      +4
      Quote: Korsar4
      And Pushkin's Poor Knight - was Llull the prototype? Or someone else?

      Well, did you ask me a question? They would ask Pushkin!
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 9 December 2020 07: 57
        +6
        Probably asked myself it. It turns out that there are so many detailed analyzes about this poem and "the movements of Pushkin's soul."

        Not that I got an answer to my question. But there are "live" articles. I looked with great interest.
        But the poem later appeared in Dostoevsky's and Prince Myshin's works.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 December 2020 07: 34
    +7
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    I want to note that I would not conceptually unite the knighthood of the times of Bertrand de Born, with that of the times of Christina of Pisa. Between these historical figures are two centuries, during which ethical imperatives have changed greatly.
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 08: 35
      +4
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I would not conceptually unite the knighthood of the times of Bertrand de Born, with that of the times of Christina of Pisa.

      It passed this period according to the principle from simple to complex ... What is around is always seen with difficulty, everything that has settled in the past is perceived more easily. Any "scientific work" is more a copy of the past than a reflection of the present day.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 07: 41
    +6
    I wish you all a good day.
    I was interested in: Soviet Eschenbach hatchets and Titengen's sickle.
    Perhaps Eschenbach was a gourmet and in between battles, worked as a cook? Does Titengen value peasant labor? Why not?
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 08: 18
      +6
      Could be peasants. Or the sickle saved his life in a difficult moment. I fell asleep in the field, here is a boar, there is no weapon, and here is a sickle ... well ...
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 19
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, about peasant origin, perhaps, but how did you become a nobleman? Perhaps he saved his lord, or as the Germans called them, and he granted him knightly spurs. Once in childhood I watched a film, where the main character was in the position of an adopted son of some knight. His benefactor perished, and the king granted him a knighthood. I don't remember the film at all, but I remember this end.
        Perhaps: "Crusaders"?
        Р
        S
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, who usually became a knight? Do you have a case, there is no pedigree, any of the knights?
        Could the armorers become knights?
        1. kalibr
          9 December 2020 18: 23
          +1
          Dear Astra! I also saw this film and also do not remember the name. But not the Crusaders, exactly. A commoner could become a knight as I described in the article. They took the boy to the castle (strong and strong). Became the second (I emphasize the second) squire. The first is noble. In battle, the noble drifted. And the second saved the senor! A worthy example, and the king granted her knighthood right on the battlefield. Without land ... But ... I started to fight in tournaments, money appeared. They began to invite to the castles ... I liked the daughter of a baron ... Well, and ... then the baron died. And the castle became his through his daughter. That's all ... Difficult, but it was so!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 9 December 2020 19: 59
            +4
            And the castle became his through his daughter. That's all ... Difficult, but it was so!


            Lord, Vyacheslav, nothing complicated! laughing
        2. Fat
          Fat 9 December 2020 18: 32
          +2
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Could the armorers become knights?

          They could. Esquire was originally a shield bearer (squire), later small nobles ... the title of Esquire was borne by all nobles who had their own coat of arms, but were not peers or knights.
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 9 December 2020 18: 00
        +4
        I fell asleep in the field, here is a boar, there is no weapon, and here is a sickle ... well ...
        This is how the heraldic symbol of the heart appeared.
    2. BAI
      BAI 9 December 2020 10: 38
      +5
      The sickle has an ancient history. It appears in ancient Egyptian, Indian and Slavic mythology as a symbol of destruction. But did medieval European knights know about this? By the way, it is quite possible that the echoes of the symbol of destruction are reflected in the modern phrase (not in the presence of women): "With a sickle ...." Well, you understand. After all, it is them and nothing else.
      1. kalibr
        9 December 2020 13: 03
        +4
        Here everything is correct, you write, you reason, but all this is from the realm of guesswork, that's the point. The main thing is this: But did medieval European knights know about it?
        1. BAI
          BAI 9 December 2020 18: 39
          +1
          Possible options: a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. In Egypt, they could see on frescoes. Plus the Egyptian sickle weapon. It is also possible: a biblical story or a local (maybe generic) legend, where the sickle is involved.
          By the way, at the expense of the coat of arms with a hammer and pincers - isn't it a Mason in front of us?
          1. kalibr
            10 December 2020 06: 00
            +2
            Quote: BAI
            By the way, at the expense of the coat of arms with a hammer and pincers - isn't it a Mason in front of us?

            Then there were no Masons yet!
          2. kalibr
            10 December 2020 06: 01
            +2
            Quote: BAI
            Plus an Egyptian sickle-shaped weapon.

            It’s you fantasizing. Khopesh was before the knights came along. In time, they did not intersect.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 9 December 2020 19: 20
          +3
          Regarding the coats of arms, I cannot pass by without recalling the recent one. laughing

          "This is a hammer, this is a sickle,
          This is our Soviet coat of arms,
          Do you want to, but want to,
          You will still get ... what you are supposed to. "(C) drinks
        3. Undecim
          Undecim 10 December 2020 00: 39
          +3
          Here everything is correct, you write, you reason, but all this is from the realm of guesswork, that's the point. The main thing is this: But did medieval European knights know about it?
          They knew. The sickle in heraldry symbolizes the hope of getting what you want.
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 23
        +2
        Hardly because of this proverb.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 December 2020 07: 46
    +6
    I join the kind words of gratitude for the interesting article. Shpakovsky, as always, pleases. I'm already thinking - maybe I should come up with a personal coat of arms? laughing
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 9 December 2020 08: 00
      +7
      Start with an ex-libris.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 December 2020 08: 20
        +5
        I'll think about it)))
        But, suddenly, and so will get carried away, and then go to England, to an appointment with the Queen of England, well, what would get knighthood)))
        1. kalibr
          9 December 2020 08: 32
          +7
          You can order your coat of arms on the Internet ... the only question is money! I will write later how this is done.
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 9 December 2020 14: 26
          +5
          Maybe first Wimbledon win, fly to Mars, bring 200 varieties of lilacs, or at least sink the Invincible Armada?
    2. kalibr
      9 December 2020 08: 20
      +7
      I have. Family from stepfather and "family" invented by his wife. It is embroidered on the standard that we raise at home on family holidays. To the anthem - "The Addams Family".
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 09: 14
        +5
        Family from stepfather
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, is your stepfather from the GDL gentry?
        1. kalibr
          9 December 2020 10: 32
          +5
          Mother is a Polish noblewoman from Minsk Mazovetsky. She belonged to the crown gentry, but ... she married a lineman. I was "lucky" that in Poland and Lithuania there was one common coat of arms for the whole family. No wonder the chronicles indicated: Zyndram from Mashkovits of the coat of arms of Sulim, Frog of Stervensk of the coat of arms of the Steps ... At all in a crowd ... so ... I can cling to, ha ha!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 December 2020 10: 43
            +5

            This coat of arms?
            1. kalibr
              9 December 2020 13: 00
              +2
              Yes this! A cavalier's cross and a horseshoe on a blue background - nobility and knightly service (such crosses were on the cuirass of the "winged hussars"), but three arrows on the scarlet one are courage and military duty. And the kleinod on the helmet is a starling.
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 26
              +2
              My poet, how do you know this coat of arms?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 16: 32
                0
                My Fair Stranger, it's very simple. I typed in the search engine "Shpakovskie". Further, I just needed confirmation that the parents of Vyacheslav Olegovich's stepfather are descended from the gentry of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 9 December 2020 14: 27
            +3
            Where can you see the Polish coats of arms?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 16: 37
              +3
              Wikipedia has it.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 9 December 2020 17: 30
                +3
                It's funny. The coat of arms of ód has not been without a peacock's tail.
                In our courtyards, few would have appreciated.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2020 17: 44
                  +3
                  There I found the coat of arms of the Doliva clan, I wonder how it relates to the nickname of one of my colleagues.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 13
                    +3
                    As in the story with the 6 handshakes, you can start unwinding the genealogy before Adam and Eve.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 16
                      +3
                      Asked him a question directly.
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 23
                        +2
                        “One grandmother has four sons.
                        Four sons - one splinter ”(c).
          3. BAI
            BAI 9 December 2020 18: 35
            0
            Mother is a Polish noblewoman from Minsk Mazovetsky.

            And a party nomenklatura worker. And where did the bloody NKVD look?
            There were few nobles in the party apparatus. Kollontai and who else?
            1. kalibr
              10 December 2020 06: 06
              +1
              Quote: BAI
              And a party nomenklatura worker. And where did the bloody NKVD look?

              He first worked on a Komsomol ticket at the construction site of Turksib, then he was drafted into the NKVD troops in the 37th. They appreciated the knowledge of Polish and went to the intelligence school. He has never been a party nomenklatura worker. He himself was a bloody NKVD ... He was an officer in the SMERSH, then served in the Polish Army, "yak Pole" until the age of 49. Someday I'll write about him, an interesting military biography for a person.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 09: 50
        +6

        This is mischief! But
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 09: 54
          +4
          Taller than the gamayun eagle?
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 10: 07
            +4
            No letter "Zhy". The eagle is not ours - the German one without paws. Got it on occasion, did not know where to apply. So I did it according to my mood. The inscription, replaced by the Latin "our hut", the wife insisted. When I screwed it on, I gasped, but I was too lazy to shoot and it still hangs.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 10: 13
              +5
              It's funny
              Does the stone hold up well, by the way?
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 12: 13
                +5
                Anton, my friend, you offend me! PVA glue is our all (furniture nails) nothing more than decor. On the reverse side, non-through holes were drilled and self-tapping screws were screwed in.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2020 12: 18
                  +4
                  I'm not talking about a coat of arms, I'm talking about granite on the porch and plinth.
                  The styling technology is just interesting. I have not worked with a "torn" stone yet.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 9 December 2020 19: 03
                    +2
                    Hello Anton. hi Our entire base is laid out in the same way, it costs four years and does not "crumble". I don’t know the technology, but I can find out if necessary. I only know that the "tiles" were put on glue, because they are heavy and at least two centimeters thick.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 20
                      +1
                      Thank you, Uncle Kostya!
                2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 13: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  It's funny
                  Does the stone hold up well, by the way?

                  Third year. Lay on a concrete solution 1 to 2.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 9 December 2020 14: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    It's funny
                    Does the stone hold up well, by the way?

                    Third year. Lay on a concrete solution 1 to 2.


                    The step is oh, how tall, 22-24 cm, without railings ... Isn't it hard for the kids? ...
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 December 2020 15: 19
                      +3
                      Andrew! hi
                      There is still no sidewalk covering, which is at least 6 cm.
                    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 16: 46
                      +3
                      Olegovich, I haven't made a path in front of the house yet, I think with filling + paving slabs by 8-10 cm will rise
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 16: 56
                        +3
                        It depends on what you will do.
                      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 18: 22
                        +3
                        Screening, sand with cement, 3-5 centimeters and 5 cm masonry tiles.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 26
                        +2
                        Yeah, okay. Is granite expensive?
                      4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 21: 17
                        +2
                        Already in front of the garage I have laid out the "old town" side-tiles. Here we must not get out of style
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 21: 22
                        +2
                        You will not get out. Granite on the path will be associated with the porch and plinth
                      6. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 21: 31
                        +2
                        It will be necessary to hire specialists to lay the granite, I will lay the paving slabs myself. Yes, now it is not up to her, there will be time for food!
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 21: 37
                        +2
                        Fucking put there!?!?!
                      8. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 21: 43
                        +2
                        Antonische is for you a professional "not what", for example, I can sew tiles only on a vertical wall. How many times I tried it does not work. And so I'll think about it. Approximately 5 by 2 meters is obtained.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 December 2020 14: 38
    +3
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    ... I'm already thinking - maybe I should come up with a personal coat of arms?

    What is not a coat of arms (to my own motives):


    And strength, and formidable arrows for the enemies, and the solidity of the roots and what a power! yes
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 9 December 2020 17: 42
      +3
      Olgovich, I understand: in the Soviet military ranks, I can clean the PM, I will disassemble the AK-73, I know the emblems of the main combat arms, but I don’t know this one
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 17: 55
        +2
        Engineering troops.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 9 December 2020 18: 40
          +5
          Hi Anton! Nope! Stroybat.
          Here is the emblem of the engineering troops.
          wink
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 54
            +5
            Hello, Sergey!
            Well, I could not tell the lady that this is "the most terrible branch of the army, these animals do not even give weapons to their hands!" laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 9 December 2020 19: 56
              +4
              And why do they need weapons, they are already ... Budb healthy! wassat
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 19: 00
            +5
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            lady

            A beautiful stranger loves the military. The Stroybat is the elite of the troops. There was even a song about him, in Soviet times. wink
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 06
              +5
              "Two soldiers from the construction battalion,
              Replacing an excavator "?
              My father served in the construction battalion, lil mines for the SS-20.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 9 December 2020 19: 09
                +4
                No, not this one. It was sung, something, like, military builders, real guys, and so on. I heard it for a long time, and since now it became interesting myself, I'll go to * sovmusik * - I'll look! winked
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 9 December 2020 19: 20
                +5
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                father served in the construction battalion

                Found something similar, but not quite right.

                Boris Kochegarov Performed on the motive * Soar the falcons with eagles *. winked
              3. parusnik
                parusnik 9 December 2020 19: 41
                +6
                "Two soldiers from the construction battalion,
                Replace the excavator "
                And one of the air defense,
                Replaces at least someone .. laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 45
                  +4
                  That's for sure! He himself served in the air defense.
                  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 21: 48
                    +4
                    Two soldiers from a construction battalion
                    Replace the excavator,
                    A cadet from EVSH
                    Replaces as many as two!

                    EHS of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia
          3. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 12
            +4
            Sergei, isn't the construction battalion a bulldozer in the emblem?
            I was in the 10th grade and opposite our school, the military was laying some pipes. They had an emblem: a bulldozer
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 December 2020 21: 47
              +4
              On the emblem of the construction battalion, in the center there is an image of a bulldozer. Everything is in the photo sent by Olgovich.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 9 December 2020 18: 43
        +4
        Quote: Astra wild2
        AK-73

        74? hi
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2020 18: 55
          +4
          75! Who will give more ?! laughing
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 18: 57
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            more?!

            I will not give it any more. Maximum-74 M
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 19: 07
              +4
              Maximum-74 M
              Sales!!!
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 9 December 2020 19: 52
            +5
            75! Who will give more ?!

            I !!! AK - 101,102, 103 and further 108.
            From both of you to the auction ... request

            AK-107
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2020 20: 00
              +4
              Too late to rush! Sales!
              Moreover, the model indicated by Sergey is being successfully sold all over the world, and the waves you indicated were very few of those present at the forum held in their hands.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 9 December 2020 20: 16
                +4
                You never know who was holding something in his hands, or ... not holding. laughing
                The only question is whether it is available or not. But about sales around the world, I can please you - the "hundredth" series diverges with great success, which is under both our patrons ("5" and "7"), which is under the NATO standard.
                As an example: the same Venezuela is almost without exception armed with AK-103.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2020 20: 32
                  +6
                  All today I have been extremely collected and focused, give me the opportunity to return to my role
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 9 December 2020 21: 07
                    +6
                    "Everyone returns except best friends,
                    Except for the most beloved and devoted women.
                    Everyone returns - except those who are needed.
                    I don't believe in fate
                    I do not believe fate, and myself - even less. "(c)
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 9 December 2020 22: 31
                      +4
                      "Whoever throws the rudders and oars,
                      Those are not easy to bring, -
                      It just so happens "(c).
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 36
                      +4
                      "Hey captain, hold the wheel
                      The ninth wave is coming at us "(c)
                    3. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 9 December 2020 22: 53
                      +4
                      “He's the captain.
                      And his homeland is Marseille "(c).
                    4. Catfish
                      Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 58
                      +4
                      "We are sitting in a dark cell,
                      We have one goal:
                      Eh, how can we get there
                      In that West Marseille. "(C)
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 22: 30
              +4
              What about magnetic storms today, or has the number of bears decreased?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 22: 35
                +3
                The stars are so aligned. I am rarely serious, but today it happened. And no one understood, alas ...
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 9 December 2020 22: 48
                +4
                You can probably analyze what was said in a day. Up to linguistic.

                But the song "My Harlequin" is not sung for nothing.
              3. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 23: 05
                +2
                To be honest, I'm tired of the sad harlequin image. The image of an evil pierrot is also not inspiring. It remains to play yourself. Most challenging role.
              4. Korsar4
                Korsar4 9 December 2020 23: 12
                +3
                Much depends on the environment.
                There is something to say to humanity, or at least to a neighbor.
              5. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2020 23: 31
                +2
                Yes, fuck the medieval poetry and drying up spruce forests did not resist to humanity! Humanity, for the most part, wants to eat and copulate.
              6. Korsar4
                Korsar4 10 December 2020 06: 56
                +3
                You can't do without food.
                Even ascetics.
                You are not fighting for the number of subscribers on Instagram.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 59
        +2
        Anton, my friend, in the end everything will pass, and it will pass. drinks
      4. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 23: 11
        +3
        Undoubtedly! There are three personalities who understand me: you, Socrates and Solomon! laughing
      5. Catfish
        Catfish 9 December 2020 23: 24
        +4

        There is nothing to add, just topping up. drinks
      6. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 23: 38
        +3
        Socrates is certainly right
        But Solomon is older!
        laughing
      7. Catfish
        Catfish 9 December 2020 23: 51
        +3

        The cedars would have been even older if they had not been cut down for the construction of the temple.
      8. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 December 2020 00: 00
        +3
        "Sasha cried as the forest was cut down" (C)
      9. Catfish
        Catfish 10 December 2020 00: 12
        +4
        "Sasha cried as the forest was cut down" (C)

    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 December 2020 06: 59
      +4
      Rem Bobrov grumbled very much at Solomon about this.
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 10 December 2020 07: 01
      +3
      Well, it's purely professional. smile
    4. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 December 2020 07: 03
      +4
      Who would argue. King Hiram knew a lot about felling.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2020 07: 17
    +3
    Take Omar Khayyam fifth.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 45
    +3
    "... A big, disheveled bear,
    Tatyana - ah! and he roars ... "(c)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 22: 49
    +4
    There is no restraint of female fantasy.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2020 22: 55
    +4
    However, "Lokis" by Prosper Merimee. request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 December 2020 23: 02
    +4
    "Stay away from peat bogs" (c).

    The number of chromosomes in a bear does not match the number of chromosomes in humans.
    Although this does not interfere with fairy tales.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2020 23: 29
    +4

    This is how it goes.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 9 December 2020 20: 15
    +6
    Quote: Sea Cat
    AK-107

    Hi Konstantin!

    There is still no money. laughing
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 9 December 2020 20: 25
      +4
      Do you remember what the Georgian dad said to his son about the pistol donated to the DR when the son asked for money again. laughing
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 9 December 2020 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Georgian dad to his son about a gun donated to DR

        I have not heard. request
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 9 December 2020 21: 04
          +5
          When his son asked for money, dad asked him a purely rhetorical question:
          "Why do you think I gave you a gun for your birthday?" laughing
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 21: 49
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            gave it for your birthday? "

            Clearly, like about a cop, a gun and spin as you can. laughing
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 36
          +7
          Konstantin, Sergey, I heard an anecdote on the topic while still in School.
          Music school in Palermo. The student took out a machine gun instead of a violin. Teacher
          - What do you think, why did you bring the machine gun?
          - I think what dad will do with the violin on the road
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 26
        +3
        Konstantin, do you want Sergei to take a machine gun and go to the high road?
        I'm too lazy to look at the Zhuk what kind of machine you are offering to Sergei.
        Is it Tommy-gun?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 9 December 2020 21: 30
          +4
          Thompson, but I'm not suggesting anything. hi
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 38
            +3
            Thomson aka Tommy-gun. So I was not mistaken
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 21: 50
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            but i don't offer anything

            And I won't go anywhere. belay
          3. Catfish
            Catfish 9 December 2020 21: 51
            +4
            And to the store for a beer?
          4. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 21: 54
            +5
            Quote: Sea Cat
            And to the store for a beer?

            I will not go. After the anniversary / my mother's / I am leading a correct sober lifestyle. No, I will not go! winked
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 17
    +4
    You are absolutely right, I myself saw that I did the wrong thing, but it was too late to edit
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 10 December 2020 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: Astra wild2
    I know the emblems of the main types of troops, but I don’t know this one

    How?!
    You don’t know the most important troops: all the Ministry of Defense lived in what was built military builders
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 15: 56
    +5
    Ask Vyacheslav Olegovich to compose. He knows well the heraldry and symbols of the Indians
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 9 December 2020 18: 15
      +5
      What if there is a nickname like "Sour Tomato"?
  • Ilya22558
    Ilya22558 9 December 2020 08: 21
    +7
    Thank you so much, very interesting !!!!!
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 9 December 2020 11: 39
    +7
    On February 28, 1765, the teacher of Tsarevich Pavel Petrovich, Semyon Poroshin, writes the following:
    I have read to His Highness Vertotov the Story of the Order of the Knights of Malta. Then he deigned to amuse himself, and having tied the admiral's flag to his cavalry, to present himself as a cavalier of Malta.
    One day. And how he influenced the fate of Paul! Apparently, if you really want something, dreams come true. Paul in 1798 became the Grand Master of the Order of Malta. In Russia, the Order of St. John of Jerusalem was introduced, with which the emperor generously rewarded those close to him.

    The Maltese cross was featured on many symbols of the Pavlovian era, including the blades of officers' espontons. soldier
    The monument to the Emperor in the courtyard of the Mikhailovsky Castle also presents him in Maltese attributes.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 December 2020 12: 58
    +3
    Bartel Regenbogen (1250-1320). On the coat of arms there is a hammer, a dragon and pincers! And what does it all mean?
    Bartel Regenbogen - one of the most famous minnesingers of Germany in the late Middle Ages, was originally a blacksmith.
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 15: 03
      +5
      Didn't know that ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 15: 12
        +3
        The most interesting thing, Vyacheslav Olegovich, is that the overwhelming majority of the characters you cited in this article of illustrations are directly related to the authorship of medieval literary monuments.
        As for Regenbogen, this historical character and his work are still popular in Germany.
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 9 December 2020 16: 58
      +2
      Who are the Minenzigers?
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2020 17: 00
        +3
        Medieval poets.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 9 December 2020 17: 30
          +2
          I thought they were called minishots. But were poets then knighted?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 December 2020 17: 48
            +4
            They did, but there is a nuance that I hinted at in my first comment under the article.
            Minnesingers is a German-speaking name.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 9 December 2020 20: 35
            +4
            Quote: Astra wild2
            minishots

            And this is from the movie.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 9 December 2020 21: 46
              +3
              June 31st. All are good, especially the Ghost Lady and the knuckle-footed knight who defeated the dragon.
          3. BAI
            BAI 9 December 2020 20: 56
            +5
            Minestrel (English minstrel, French ménestrier from Latin ministerialis - "servant") - 1) the general name of a poet-musician (including female), a professional singer of the Middle Ages (from the 12th century) and the early Renaissance, who earned singing and playing musical instruments from memory. Because of the oral nature of the minstrels' musical creativity, the surviving musical manuscripts of their works are few; modern reconstructions of the culture and everyday life of minstrels are based mainly on literary and iconographic evidence. See Troubadours, Truvers, Minnesingers; 2) the medieval poet-singer in the romantic literature of the 3th century; XNUMX) since the XX century - poets-musicians and performers of the author's song (professionals or amateurs) in the environment of the Tolkien fandom, including role-playing games.
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 11: 38
        +3
        Who are the Minenzigers?

        Sounds like a Singer mining rig. laughing
        Although in German, whatever you say - as if the military term is obtained. drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 December 2020 11: 41
          +2
          Try to say "off the beaten path" in German ...
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 10 December 2020 11: 54
            +3
            "turn off the engine" ...

            Personally, Google gives this phrase as follows:
            abseits der ausgetretenen Pfade Motor! fellow
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2020 11: 58
              +4
              Drossel den Motor ab!
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 10 December 2020 21: 07
          +3
          This is also Mark Twain noted in his "Yankee at Court", as there Henk read spells, using similar Germanic word formations, and the audience fainted in rows. laughing

          PS Have you seen our film "New Yankee Adventures at Court"?
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 December 2020 11: 27
            +2
            PS Have you seen our film "New Yankee Adventures at Court"?

            It seems no.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 December 2020 19: 25
              +2
              I strongly advise you to look, strongly.
              I will not talk about the philosophical implications now, I will only say about the brilliant camera work and absolutely stunning costumes, armor and weapons from the times of King Arthur. This is exactly what we have already said, the film gives an excellent idea of ​​the life of that era. Tavk that look, I'm sure - like it, well, at least the costume component.
              Yes, and the cast is good there: Filozov, Vertinskaya, Evstigneev, Kaidanovsky, Kashpur, in the role of Hank - Sergey Koltakov. 1988 year.

              Hank summons ALL the Knights of the Round Table.

              King Arthur and Morgana go to duel.

              Hank stomps there too.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 December 2020 14: 06
    +2
    5. Cross of the Kingdom of Jerusalem - red The Jerusalem cross was a symbol of the Order of St. Spirit, founded in 1496


    In the illustration, for some reason, he is yellow recourse

    I like this:
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 December 2020 17: 08
      +5
      Coat of arms of Smolensk! Gamayun bird on a cannon.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 December 2020 11: 28
        +2
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Coat of arms of Smolensk! Gamayun bird on a cannon.

        Exactly!

        I know and love him since childhood: there is even a ceramic version of this coat of arms.
  • depressant
    depressant 9 December 2020 16: 35
    +5
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, good evening! ))
    On the coat of arms of Bartel Regenbogen, there is not a dragon, but a snake. Medieval images with such a snake in its various forms happened to be seen as illustrations for German fairy tales in the original language.
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 18: 51
      +5
      Lyudmila Yapovlevna! If I try to look for an explanation for all the coats of arms that I have seen, I will go crazy ...
      1. depressant
        depressant 9 December 2020 19: 11
        +5
        For God's sake, don't go! )))
        Remember about us, how can we be without your wonderful articles? )))
        Otherwise, the enemy at the gate is shaking with an atomic bomb, tightly gripped in his hand, and grins viciously, then corruption seizes someone like lice, then laws are discussed, which, because of their selective applicability, make no sense ... I'm tired! And nature - there too. At 4 in the morning, it turns out, the solar wind from the flare reached the Earth, and we still have to swim in it until tomorrow noon, but I could not come to my senses, I thought, the covid pulled out, as if a bag of cement had fallen on my shoulders. And I looked at the illustrations for the article - beautiful! A special way of shadowless image: shadows - only to indicate folds of clothing and highlight the shape of an object. As if it is cloudy and there is no harmful sun)))
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 9 December 2020 20: 54
          +4
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, everything was fine until 17:00, and then my blood pressure dropped to a minimum: 76. Thank you for saying, otherwise I thought that the enemies performed the voodoo ritual.
          She and you will find "well-wishers", they will burn in hell that they wish us sorrow. To put it mildly
          1. depressant
            depressant 9 December 2020 21: 50
            +3
            Faith, at this very time! It hit me so hard that I began to fall as if into a heavy waking dream, a terrible feeling, I would be on the street, as if I would be under a car, but so I fell into my rookery and with nausea began to literally lose consciousness. I realized that if I pass out, then I will end. I got up on moral and strong-willed, opened the window, put the kettle on, then coffee - in general, I survived)))
            Still, the illness on March 12 seriously crippled me, I no longer have health, this is now the reaction to natural deviations)))
            How are you now? Hope it's okay?
            And what do you mean when you talk about intrigues?
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 10 December 2020 06: 48
              +3
              Then she somehow crawled to the first-aid kit and "feasted".
              We all have "well-wishers: neighbors, acquaintances, at work. This is how life is arranged, then good and bad are near."
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 December 2020 18: 01
    +5
    "was clearly a big fashionista and understood a lot about the beauty of a knight's dress", clearly broke many ladies' hearts. Perhaps because of him there were family dramas, then there were no divorces, which means .... There was a lady who "decorated" him with horns
    1. kalibr
      9 December 2020 18: 54
      +5
      Here, Astra was my article about the knight Ulrich von Lichtenstein. What miracles he did for the favor of his lady. Type in our directory and read ... very cool!
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 December 2020 20: 38
        +4
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, how to do it: go to your profile?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 9 December 2020 20: 51
          +4
          Faith. The article is called * The True Story of a Knight *, here on VO 2016.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 9 December 2020 21: 41
            +2
            Quote: Phil77
            Faith. The article is called * The True Story of a Knight *, here on VO 2016.

            So this is before I show up here? So, look in the profile
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 December 2020 21: 52
              +3
              Quote: Astra wild2
              So, look in the profile

              It means there.
          2. depressant
            depressant 9 December 2020 21: 54
            +4
            Seryozha, how are you? )))
            I look, here our people started talking vigorously, a solar flare, you see, only women and hurt))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 December 2020 22: 01
              +4
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good evening!
              Yes, everything is normal, both with work and with everything else. I have not even heard about this outbreak. I am not a weather-dependent person. I try not to pay attention to horoscopes and other rush things, by the way. By the way, this too.

              Its only functionality is protection from fines! Everything will pass, this will also pass.
              1. depressant
                depressant 9 December 2020 22: 35
                +5
                As the saying goes, drink honey with your lips! I am glad that you are doing well. )))
        2. kalibr
          10 December 2020 17: 40
          +1
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, how to do it: go to your profile?

          What for? Just type all this in the questionnaire at the top and everything will open to you right there, no searches. Otherwise you will disappear there in your profile ...
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 11 December 2020 19: 20
            0
            But I recognize your first works
  • Zuiss
    Zuiss 23 December 2020 15: 04
    0
    Thanks for the interesting article!

    Quite interesting coat of arms of medieval France, golden lilies on a blue background