How to distinguish the new BTR-82A from the old-built vehicles: the Karabakh example

In recent years, the Russian army has significantly replenished with a fleet of BTR-82A / AM armored personnel carriers, which, in comparison with their predecessors, the BTR-80 are equipped not only with machine-gun, but also cannon armament.

The receipt of a new combat filling gave rise to Western expert organizations to transfer these vehicles to the IFV category, which in the Russian classification corresponds to the rank of an infantry fighting vehicle.

BTR-82A / AM have been supplied to the armed forces since about 2011. According to the IISS, at the beginning of 2020, the ground forces of the RF Armed Forces numbered 1000 units, the coastal forces - 661 units, and the airborne forces - 20 vehicles. Due to their numbers, they constantly appear in photographic materials and videos, which, in particular, record the deployment of peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh. However, many readers have the question of how to distinguish between modifications -A and -AM?

Indeed, outwardly they are almost identical: both versions are equipped with the same type of turret, which is covered in front by a uniform rectangular armor plate, both vehicles have an air intake tube at the stern - that is, they have all the features by which they can be easily distinguished from the BTR-80A. But how not to confuse the BTR-82A / AM with each other?

The BTR-82A is a vehicle produced from scratch, while the BTR-82AM is a deep modernization of the old-built BTR-80; accordingly, the "upgraded" cars inherited the specific features of the base body. The most important part for recognition is the welded loophole - the version of the BTR-82A simply does not have it.

An example of a BTR-82AM with a welded embrasure when deployed in Karabakh

Comments

[svp67]

I think that the BTR-80 has only benefited from such a modernization and it's great that they found such a way to extend the life of old machines.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: svp67

extend the life of old cars

When it comes to armored vehicles, the concept of the old is not very suitable ... Numerous examples of a long and successful life of armored vehicles, not even modernized, confirm this. And qualitative modernization means both a significant increase in combat capabilities and significant savings in the military budget.

[KCA]

BTR-80, how much in this sound ... Winter, lay down on one mattress, covered with another, woke up in the middle of the night from the cold and the urge of the body, there is no light, 100% darkness, you cannot start, there is not enough diesel fuel, the battery is disconnected so as not to sit down completely, and in complete darkness you are looking for a way out of the box, all your fingers are scarred, there are somehow a lot of scratching places in the compartment, and even if you find a hatch, opening it is also not a trivial task, finally you pulled the cable, the hatch fell off, wow, the moon is light , straight from the hatch, without descending to the ground, the need went to murmur ...

[serg.shishkov2015]

I'm glad for the city of student youth - Arzamas! AMZ lives and develops! I had a chance to visit there a couple of times, to the CZL!

[Lech from Android.]

BTR-82A - how much has been produced and how many are currently in operation, how many are mothballed, to show a table of their number in different types of troops.
BTR-82AM - how much has been modernized and how many are currently in operation, to show a table of their number in different types of troops.

[carstorm 11]

What's the point? Rearmament on them is ongoing.

[Lech from Android.]

What's the point?

Meaning in the goals and objectives with the use of these armored personnel carriers ... increased capabilities imply increased tasks in front of them ... this is a different level of war.
And then the concentration of certain military equipment in certain places gives food for thought and speculation (you can play a war game on the side of the red or blue).
A simple stuffing about modernization says little.

[carstorm 11]

I mean it won't give you anything special. The tasks of the armored personnel carrier have always been in the delivery of drugs from point a to point b) and nothing in this regard has changed), plus the adoption of typhoons U and K, which in a sense perform the same functions. I would pay more attention in this regard to what interests you)

[the47th]

The task of the armored personnel carrier, like the BMP, in addition to delivering l / s, is also its support in battle. Unlike MRAPs, which can only transport personnel.

[carstorm 11]

What kind of battle?))) For this there is an infantry fighting vehicle) the task of the armored personnel carrier was and remains transportation. and it is not necessary to put a lot of power on the DUMs' MRAPs. They are conceptually already laid there)

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Lech from Android.

BTR-82A - how many were produced and how many are currently in operation,how much is preserved, show a table of their number in different types of troops.

Lech! They released from scratch and immediately for conservation ...

[EvilLion]

It is quite possible that the equipment initially arrives at the warehouses, it can be in reserve there, or it can go to the unit.

[Berkut752]

Aha chichaz, I’ll go count. Just don't go, SIT AND WAIT.

[Tankist_1980]

Why tell the enemy about this?

[A.K.]

Damn, I certainly understand everything, but to read a whole article to find out about the brewed embrasure is already too much. It's like a fly landed on jam, that's the whole poem.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Strange article. Any schoolchild who is a little bit interested in armored vehicles knows about the welded loophole. And here is the saying:
The receipt of a new combat filling gave rise to Western expert organizations to transfer these vehicles to the IFV category, which in the Russian classification corresponds to the rank of an infantry fighting vehicle.
the author "finished off" me. I have never read about such expert organizations, and I only remember an attempt to equate the domestic armored personnel carrier with an infantry fighting vehicle with an experienced armored personnel carrier-90 in the "sprout" design and development project.

[EvilLion]

The 30 mm stabilized cannon is like the armament level of the BMP-2. In general, the BTR-82 is much superior to the same "striker" in armament and protection (the BTR-82A has an anti-splinter lining) and IMHO is a very correct decision, which I cannot say about different "Boomerangs", which are the same cartonium with the same gun, only harder.

[V1er]

There is also a handsome BTR-82AT / Outwardly, the AT modification differs from earlier machines by the presence of a set of additional reflective screens made of armor steel and special grilles.
The combat vehicle received a new combined two-channel sight with vertical stabilization and a laser rangefinder.
Now, in the dark, you can use a thermal imager, it is not afraid of external interference and helps to see even disguised targets. Also, this device allows you to detect the enemy in rain, fog and behind clouds of dust.
The motorized infantry on board received the Kornet portable anti-tank missile system. Diesel engine power - 300 HP The maximum speed on the highway is 80 km / h. The weight of the updated car is now 17250 kg.

And another novelty is the BTR-87.

About him in detail in this article on VO: https://topwar.ru/145408-bronetransporter-btr-87.html
In short: increased protection, redesigned hull layout.

[Eugene-Eugene]

actually cannot cross water hazards.

[maxim k.]

In this case, the modernization costs no more than the construction of new equipment. This is the difference with the same ships (I suppose, with the money spent on upgrading the "Admiral Nakhimov", it was possible to build two or three ships of the 1st rank)

[faiver]

I suppose the money spent on upgrading the Admiral Nakhimov could have built two or three ships of the 1st rank

- in thirty years ...

[maxim k.]

So how long has the modernization been going on?

[faiver]

far less

[maxim k.]

"Admiral Nakhimov" has been de facto modernized since 2013. In 7 years, how many ships can you build at different shipyards?

[faiver]

In 7 years, how many ships can you build at different shipyards?

- in Russia? A rank 1 ship? - NO ONE. We have ships of the second rank for five years under construction and some offer to be proud of it ...

[maxim k.]

I'm talking about financial flows, not about the speed of production in general.

[faiver]

about financial flows should not write here, here is a military review and not Forbes ...

[maxim k.]

An army cannot be built without money, shkolota ...

[Doctor]

In this case, the modernization costs no more than the construction of new equipment. This is the difference with the same ships (I suppose, with the money spent on upgrading the "Admiral Nakhimov", it was possible to build two or three ships of the 1st rank)

Modernization is always needed, but why build new ones?
The concept itself is outdated.

[Pechkin]

I don’t understand why it’s a shame to produce btr82a (due to the fact that Deribaska owns the plant or has no money, but you hold on). New machines should be produced at the level of modern armored personnel carriers. And the BTR-80, by today's standards, is terrible in everything: habitability, deployment, mine protection, armor, the accuracy of the gun seems to be anti-aircraft so that the spread is greater. The concept of the BTR82 itself is outdated.

[EvilLion]

What modern armored personnel carriers can you name that would be superior to the BTR-82? Oh yes, those do not exist. There is only an American copy of the BTR-60 called "striker" and all sorts of "piranhas" with exactly the same weapons and, plus or minus, the same thickness of cardboard.

About accuracy, you wouldn’t carry any nonsense, since the BTR-82A has a stabilized cannon. It makes no sense to compare this with the KPVT on the BTR-80, these are different classes.

[Alexfly]

Could have strengthened the armor with additional plates in a circle ...

[Evil 55]

The KPVT machine gun was a more targeted weapon in comparison with this 2A72 spittoon ... Although, due to the use of OFZ and OT in automatic mode, there is a sufficient possibility of hitting targets.

[bk0010]

Plus, it seems to me that the price of an armored personnel carrier with a gun and, moreover, an ATGM, will not differ too much from the price of an infantry fighting vehicle.

[storm]

In order for the "bureaucrats" from the Ministry of Defense to begin to buy more protected, modern with aft landing modules BTR - 87 and BMP - 3M Dragoons instead of the awfully inconvenient BTR 80/82 and BMP - 3, one should take a simple step, weld the side doors on the service geldings "and" behah "and let them climb into the cabin through the trunk ....

Otherwise they will not understand!

[EvilLion]

BMP-3s are already being purchased. About the aft hatches, do not be nonsense, when dismounting at the authorized ranges from where to get out does not really matter, but if you ride on the armor, but they will go, because more eyes look around and the reaction to an ambush is faster, then generally do not care, with the flank attack will not help you in any way.

In order to fundamentally raise protection, it is necessary to fundamentally raise the mass, that is, to eliminate the armored personnel carrier as a class, and this is impossible, since it is too expensive, and when something is too expensive in a war, then this is guaranteed somewhere not enough. Well, a 4-axle vehicle weighing more than 20 tons has every chance of breaking roads and sliding into ditches. This is not a truck that has a larger bearing area and is distributed over a larger area.

[Glory1974]

Combat experience has shown that with all its disadvantages, the BTR-80 can still serve. According to statistics, when an armored personnel carrier is destroyed, the crew dies in 15% of cases. When the BMP-1,2 is destroyed, the crew dies in 45%.
Thus, the chances of surviving in an APC are 3 times higher. Therefore, it added firepower, like the BMP-2.
But because of this, he did not cease to be an armored personnel carrier; in an attack in the same chain with tanks, he has nothing to do.

[Azimuth]

Quote: V1er

...
And another novelty is the BTR-87.

About him in detail in this article on VO: https://topwar.ru/145408-bronetransporter-btr-87.html
In short: increased protection, redesigned hull layout.

Even on the link I will not go to look and read from the next grief of the expert (where have the authors on VO? !!) another swill for the people who have become so stupefied that even like a wolf howl ... Some kind of churbanistan in the country was lit
In short:


If the GAZ Group (the mistress of the military-industrial complex, who is the de facto mistress of GAZ, I hope everyone also knows) and this rubbish, this army dinosaur that even the Romanians abandoned, then put out the light in general ...
Further development of our old man by the Romanians:



But in the end, impoverished Romania, unlike us, a rich superpower, adopts this:

For those who are in the tank, the Piranha from MOVAG is the main armored personnel carrier of many European countries, it is the main wheeled armored personnel carrier of the armies of the USA, Canada, Australia, and many Arabs. In short, one of the most massive in the West. Sorry to patriots, but our BTR-82A, a hundred times sucked and modernized BTR-60PB, hasn't been lying around here and there, and Boomerang only rides at the Parade and until it reaches the series and becomes massive, if it comes and becomes, it will already be yesterday. In general, I had BTR-70s, some of them were taken out of Germany, after the conductor of a drunkard, the daddy of the current mistress of factories and ships and All Russia.

And it infuriates that they will sell trash year after year and compose fables about the growth of efficiency, security, etc.

[EvilLion]

I understand that you hate everything Russian pathologically, although even VAZ, it seems, has learned how to make cars. But what is the "piranha", which, if you did not know, has been produced since 1972 (so the claims that the BTR-82A is an upgrade of the BTR-60PB look extremely ridiculous) is better than the BTR-82A? Exactly the same cartonium, with about the same guns. And no, leather with a rug on top, inside her seats are also hardly upholstered. And you also need to take care of your head, because there is iron around. Military equipment, it is.

Well, maybe it will be a discovery for you, but any ideal armored personnel carrier is the most rectangular box. That is, there is no point in changing the shape of the BTR-60 hull, there is one engine and a different filling for a long time, but even after 100 years the BTR will look about the same, and the "piranha" looks about the same. And in this regard, it is much better to look at the good old American M113 from which the world does not make anything. Although, in essence, these are boxes on gussels.

[Azimuth]

Quote: EvilLion

I understand that you hate everything Russian pathologically, although even VAZ, it seems, has learned how to make cars. But what is the "piranha", which, if you did not know, has been produced since 1972 (so the claims that the BTR-82A is an upgrade of the BTR-60PB look extremely ridiculous) is better than the BTR-82A? Exactly the same cartonium, with about the same guns. And no, leather with a rug on top, inside her seats are also hardly upholstered. And you also need to take care of your head, because there is iron around. Military equipment, it is.

Well, maybe it will be a discovery for you, but any ideal armored personnel carrier is the most rectangular box. That is, there is no point in changing the shape of the BTR-60 hull, there is one engine and a different filling for a long time, but even after 100 years the BTR will look about the same, and the "piranha" looks about the same. And in this regard, it is much better to look at the good old American M113 from which the world does not make anything. Although, in essence, these are boxes on gussels.

Well, if it’s YOU, then don’t jerk, and don’t take it weakly in an attempt to shut your mouth about "you hate everything Russian pathologically."
MIC is private companywho are paid budget money and it scam artistswho stuck to the budget and pass them off as new, then what else in the 80s of the last century (!!!), if the uryakalka in your face does not know arithmetic, it was forty years ago (!!!) skated in Romania. I will repeat myself in Romania, and not in a strong country with a strong and developed military-industrial complex, school and traditions.
Tell us more about the AK-12, which is being put on again by the PRIVATE company Concern "Kalashnikov". The second domestic manufacturers of AK, more precisely the RPK, Vyatskiye Polyany, also a PRIVATE company, for 30 years, has not been able to create anything bearable and go beyond the fenced-in PKK.

About AVTOVAZ, which has learned to do something there, let's go without jokes, so this resource is gradually becoming a parody of the Krokodil magazine, before it was more interesting to read than to take part in discussions - there was nothing to discuss, a lot was written quite tolerably. Something was controversial, but not to the point of registering and wasting time. Now there is just a feeling that they are writing just to write, and let me remind you that this resource is also PRIVATE, this is a business, money is made on it.
The only Soviet car, the brainchild of AVTOVAZ, which I use for work, and I have a second one of my own, NIVA, called Lada 4x4, even the name was auctioned off ... As before, I had to disassemble and assemble everything after updating and buying another. Father-in-law lohanuvshis moved from Renault Logan screwdriver assembly to Lada Vesta, and there is a demagogue and worse than yours, sorry, yours, we already drank vodka, and the women in the sauna were changed, but the music was playing for a short time, again moved to the new Renault ...
Also tell us about the scam of the century, how it, AVTOVAZ, was reprivatized, having thrown in the second circle the population, which changed vouchers for AVTOVAZ shares, and how all these Renault-Nissan shares were sold ...

I am for everything domestic, only I don’t want to feed the mediocre oligarchs who have stuck to the budget and don’t want to buy ferrous metal for myself or my army. Can't handle it? So why not nationalize strategic enterprises? Will you say spend? My answer is yes, they buy back, write off debts, or rather, everything stolen and then sell them again to a "private investor" for a UNPRECEDENT. Dull theft and money laundering ...

So once again on the topic, that "new BTR-8 of some kind" is already just a SHAME, the Romanians are already scammed by their mother, they have sunk, but you and your kind of uryakalka, have already reached such a degree with ministers of education like Fursenko that already this is simply not able to understand. Even with access to the Internet and a mass of data, you are no longer able to see the elementary, because you do not even know the basics, in your hands he is just a means to be rude, poke a stranger, and compete in fake patriotism. Vasya, what do you think I found Romanian Zaur on the Internet, I read about him yesterday? ... Draw conclusions, or you can poke and be rude.

I explain again for "modern Russians" and s, addressing YOU to a stranger, whose age and status you do not know, is rudeness and disrespect not only for him, but also for yourself, because you lower yourself to imitators of s with their "you" , you really would have figured out which culture and country are closer to you. To what imitators have sunk, we see everything from Russia, more precisely the Russian Empire reincarnated in the USSR, to the RSFSR, so I understand that if you learn everything from Wiki and from similar articles, tomorrow we will come to Moscow and the Moscow region.

[Okolotochny]

Is Piranha made by a state company ?? Further, to YOU ​​according to Lavrov.

[Azimuth]

And you want to say that Piranha and BTR-82A or BTR-8 are the same thing? Also compare Avtovaz with Daimler or BMW Uryakalkin.
Well, Lavrov, forgive me, but not an authority at all, thank God we have diplomats and we still have, time will pass and we will remember him as a coke misunderstanding. And remember, a person whose children, that is, whose future is in the United States, will not worry about the future of this country. And I hope I will be smart enough not to prove to me that the Foreign Ministry has no alternatives to Lavrov or Zakharova, and these are the only two diamonds in Omna.