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Trillions of times more powerful than any modern: the Chinese military is interested in the created quantum computer

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In China, they write that the PRC has overtaken the United States not only in terms of the volume of the economy, but also in terms of computing power. It is noted that Chinese scientists have managed to take a giant step forward in the field of machine computing technology, creating a quantum computer, the performance of which is impressive, if you trust the statements of sources.


In particular, we are talking about a publication in the authoritative scientific journal "Science", which tells about the creation in China of a supercomputer that surpasses all existing models in computing capabilities, not just several times, but trillions of times!

According to Chinese media reports, a quantum computer is 100 trillion times faster than the fastest and most powerful computer in existence. It is pointed out that the new technology using "Gaussian boson sampling" is critically superior to everything that has been used to date in the creation of computing technology.

The Chinese media write that the possession of computer technology of such incredible computing power allows not only to come out on top in the field of computing technologies, but also to squeeze the leading American technology companies, including Microsoft, from the digital Olympus.

The military responded to the advent of a quantum computer of ultra-high computing power. In particular, they were interested in the possibilities that will eventually become the basis of artificial intelligence used in the security system and specific weapons. The possibility of creating a new generation fighter that will be fully computer controlled is being considered.

This will create an entirely new fighter that will make the existing J-20 look like an aircraft of the past by comparison.
Digital capabilities will make it possible to take into account data from satellites and ground stations in real time, to carry out the optimal variant of maneuvering, the choice of weapons with their full accompaniment until the target is hit.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 4 December 2020 13: 28
    +12
    If so .. then the Chinese are great. And apparently the time of China is coming, unless, of course, the United States unleashes a war .. All that remains is bewilderment than we actually have 40 institutes development involved.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 4 December 2020 13: 31
      +16
      We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones. laughing
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 December 2020 13: 36
        -1
        Quote: Sergey39
        We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones. laughing

        Here, completely different possibilities open up, if this is not a fake of course .. Here and artificial intelligence will be at hand .. and fantasy will become reality.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 4 December 2020 13: 37
          +4
          Yes, the prospects are enormous. And this is most likely not a fake.
          1. Rusticolus
            Rusticolus 4 December 2020 20: 39
            +7
            Yes, the prospects are enormous. And this is most likely not a fake.
            It depends on what is considered a fake. Pentium 1. The same for a relatively modern computer (well, not an arefometer). But even surpassing it by 9 orders of magnitude is not a little. And I think so, and the Chinese have turned and the translators have confused megaflops with tetraflops. Plus, they took the theoretical speed, and one calculation, again in theory. As a result, they pulled the owl onto the globe. In what the Chinese have definitely surpassed the whole world significantly, it is in the number of crystals produced in terms of their total computing power. There is no dispute here.
            1. Sergey39
              Sergey39 4 December 2020 20: 45
              0
              Yes, I agree, the Chinese (or translators) could well have confused and misinterpreted, but this topic is being developed not only in China and the fact that quantum computers will soon appear (no matter where) is not a fake.
              1. Rusticolus
                Rusticolus 4 December 2020 21: 06
                +2
                Yes, no doubt, it is developing. Personally, in the entire article, I was only interested in the "Gaussian sample of bosons" and trillions stung. In the first case, it is interesting, in the second, an obvious bullshit. What does it mean exactly in such definitions. Not everyone became either nerds or gopniks, someone could not decide. request
        2. TAMBU
          TAMBU 4 December 2020 13: 44
          +9
          about artificial intelligence will be at hand

          no ... but what is now called AI will develop a lot ...
        3. bk316
          bk316 4 December 2020 13: 54
          +33
          Here, completely different possibilities open up, if it's not a fake of course ..

          Of course, they open up, only not at all those about which you think together with Chinese journalists. laughing
          A quantum computer has nothing to do with what you mean by computers.
          Most importantly, it is not yet a UNIVERSAL computer. It cannot be used to program Word, a toy or a browser, even an ANY program for solving systems of equations. By and large, one should say not a quantum computer but a quantum coprocessor. Therefore, the performance should be indicated from the evil one ...
          To the joy of the military, one of the tasks that are great for this computer, the task of cryptanalysis. But with AI it is still tense.
          And I forgot it will be possible to mine on it, khan bitcoin. laughing
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 4 December 2020 15: 04
            +11
            At least someone in the subject of this process. So far, everyone has developed a quat processor at this level. And we did it before the Chinese, but not with boiling water, oh, poured
        4. Doccor18
          Doccor18 4 December 2020 13: 55
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Sergey39
          We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones. laughing

          Here, completely different possibilities open up, if this is not a fake of course .. Here and artificial intelligence will be at hand .. and fantasy will become reality.

          And terribly interesting and terribly dangerous. Technologies like these could allow a small group of people, with the help of machines and AI, to do whatever they want ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 December 2020 13: 58
            -2
            Quote: Doccor18
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Sergey39
            We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones. laughing

            Here, completely different possibilities open up, if this is not a fake of course .. Here and artificial intelligence will be at hand .. and fantasy will become reality.

            And terribly interesting and terribly dangerous. Technologies like these could allow a small group of people, with the help of machines and AI, to do whatever they want ...

            Yes .. in the theory of the "golden billion", somehow every year more and more are believed .. because there are more and more confirmations ..
            But here, as with any breakthrough achievement, it can be used for evil, or it can be used for good.
        5. ASG7
          ASG7 4 December 2020 14: 21
          0
          Oh God, did the Chinese know that in addition to digital signals, there are also analog ones.
        6. orionvitt
          orionvitt 4 December 2020 17: 32
          +5
          Quote: Svarog
          unless it's a fake of course ..

          Quantum computers are somewhere close to controlled thermonuclear fusion. In theory, everything seems to work as it should, but in practice, oh, how far away.
        7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 December 2020 22: 45
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          if it's not fake of course

          This is not a fake. This is a bare theory, simply presented from only one of its many sides.
          Purely mathematically, not every algorithm (and calculations on quantum computers require special algorithms) is possible "quantum acceleration" (increasing the speed of computations in relation to classical processors). It is even more correct to say that only for a small part of algorithms it is possible to obtain "quantum acceleration".
          Thus, a quantum machine can give an increase in computing power only in an extremely narrow range of tasks and therefore cannot replace a classical processor.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 4 December 2020 14: 06
        +3
        Sergey 39 - your great-grandchildren will probably live to see such toys hi
      3. book
        book 4 December 2020 14: 21
        +2
        we have a budget, they have no time
        1. poquello
          poquello 4 December 2020 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: book
          we have a budget, they have no time

          we have been doing it for a long time, just without fantasies, the latter is already photonic technologies - .. you can fantasize)
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 4 December 2020 15: 15
        +45
        Quote: Sergey39
        We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones.

        can we wait for ours?

        Chubais promised us earlier. Where is Chubais, where is the tablet?
        China is good, they have "Chubais" on a stake
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 December 2020 15: 31
          -3
          Flexible displays in the Moscow Technopark began to be produced last year and the turnover of nanoproducts reached 2 trillion rubles. 115 production facilities work and 40000 people are involved in them.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 4 December 2020 15: 36
            +43
            Quote: Vadim237
            Flexible displays in the Moscow Technopark began to be produced last year

            where can I buy?
            1. veritas
              veritas 4 December 2020 16: 06
              +9
              Quote: Overlock
              where can I buy?

              The manual does not say anything about this.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 December 2020 23: 54
                -2
                You have a manual instead of a gray matter.
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 4 December 2020 21: 16
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            Flexible displays in the Moscow Technopark began to be produced last year and the turnover of nanoproducts reached 2 trillion rubles. 115 production facilities work and 40000 people are involved in them.

            The loss of Rusnano in 2016 amounted to 17,4 billion rubles.
            The net loss of JSC RUSNANO in 2017 according to IFRS amounted to 5,3 billion rubles
            In the first half of 2019, JSC Rusnano received a net loss under IFRS of 13,9 billion rubles


            what nafig 2 trillion rubles ...
            Plastic Logic is a complete failure ... 150 million dollars in loss and business closure.
            You should at least listen to Solovyov - he did not even leave a dust about this business of Chubais ... and deservedly so.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 December 2020 23: 58
              -4
              I wrote about the turnover of the offices in which Rusnano invested and the turnover is not net profit but a turnover of 2 trillion rubles for all positions.
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 4 December 2020 13: 35
      +9
      Of the last 30 post-Soviet years, the first 20 have survived.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 December 2020 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: newbie
        Of the last 30 post-Soviet years, the first 20 have survived.

        In those institutes in which it was really necessary to invest .. -yes, they saw and now they are far from sugar .. But instead of building Rusnano, it was possible to organize everything on the site of Moscow State University .. but it is also not interesting .. money passes by ..
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 4 December 2020 13: 42
          +10
          Colleague, such technologies are far from being dealt with by Moscow State University or RUSNANO. Scientific research institutes are engaged in such "things". And how are you going to "organize" the birth of a breakthrough technology? _ This is an impromptu in a scientific head.
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 4 December 2020 13: 44
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          it was possible to organize everything at the MSU site .. but also not interesting .. money passes by ..

          Money cannot pass by the pockets of friends of a friend.
          1. bk316
            bk316 4 December 2020 14: 04
            +4
            Money cannot pass by the pockets of friends of a friend.

            They will not pass.
            At least at Moscow State University at least at Rosatom. laughing
            Here you are enemies of Putin WILL NOT make a quantum computer, the Crimean bridge, the Sarmat, you will just whine.
            But there will be friends.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 48
              0
              Quote: bk316
              Here you are enemies of Putin WILL NOT make a quantum computer, the Crimean bridge, the Sarmat, you will just whine.
              But there will be friends.

              The only question is when? It is clear about the Crimean bridge, 1 km cost the taxpayers of the Russian Federation more than two times higher than that of the Chinese .. Sarmat was laid down in the USSR. Everyone knows about the robot Fedya too .. So really, why whine .. cut shura cut ..
              1. bk316
                bk316 4 December 2020 14: 56
                0
                The only question is when?

                So already laughing
                https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2019-10-02_v_rossii_zarabotal_pervyj
        3. bk316
          bk316 4 December 2020 14: 03
          +3
          , it was possible to organize everything at the MSU site ..

          Don't touch MSU, everything is fine there -
          http://itprojects.narfu.ru/grid/materials2015/voevodin2015.pdf

          And Rosatom is responsible for the development of a quantum computer in the Russian Federation.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 06
            0
            Quote: bk316
            Don't touch MSU, everything is fine there

            Everything is fine with you everywhere .. I'm happy for you. But for some reason in Russia everything is sad .. Every year the Russian Federation is further and further removed from progress ..
            1. Kart
              Kart 4 December 2020 14: 22
              +4
              You can go to another country, where everything is rosy and good.
              And if everything is sad everywhere, you can go to a good doctor.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 26
                -1
                Quote: Carte
                You can go to another country, where everything is rosy and good.
                And if everything is sad everywhere, you can go to a good doctor.

                Here you would be in another country .. although perhaps you are from there and write .. we have putriots all there ..
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 4 December 2020 17: 58
                +5
                Quote: Carte
                You can go to another country, where everything is rosy and good.
                And if everything is sad everywhere, you can go to a good doctor.

                are you from personal experience? laughing
            2. bk316
              bk316 4 December 2020 14: 58
              +3
              But for some reason in Russia everything is sad.

              Well, yes, I mean that. Write for all of Russia (the paper will endure everything), so at least leave Moscow State University alone.
            3. bk316
              bk316 4 December 2020 15: 00
              +5
              Every year, the Russian Federation is being pulled further and further away from progress.

              Well, you know better. After all, look from afar. You are INFINITE far from quantum computers, science and progress. laughing
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 4 December 2020 15: 36
              +2
              "Every year the Russian Federation is further and further removed from progress .." This is not Russia further from progress - and you are degrading in terms of the awareness of the information created by Russia in science and technology. Because these directions are simply not interesting to you - everyday nagging is what you are really interested in.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 4 December 2020 15: 38
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                "Every year the Russian Federation is further and further removed from progress .." This is not Russia further from progress - and you are degrading in terms of awareness of the information created by Russia in science and technology

                Well tell me .. where are the breakthroughs we have wassat
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 4 December 2020 15: 56
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                This is not Russia further from progress - and you are degrading in terms of the awareness of information created by Russia in science and technology. Because these directions are simply not interesting to you - everyday nagging is what you are really interested in.

                I personally really wonder what people would stop fooling their heads with their netanalagafwmire, because there is nothing but pipes, NOTHING! You can't assemble the AN-2, but what kind of AN-2 is there, you can't make an iron, you paste the labels from the Chinese drills onto the made naunas, that's all your peremogue.
                1. veritas
                  veritas 4 December 2020 16: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  But you can't do it, you paste the labels from the Chinese drills onto the made naunas, that's all your peremogue.

                  As ordered and carried out. They said to talk nonsense no matter what.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 5 December 2020 00: 34
                    0
                    On the case, at least there is something sick to say.
                2. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 4 December 2020 16: 24
                  +14
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  netanalagafwmire, because there is nothing but pipes, NOTHING

                  Not your truth, land !!! We have something that no one else in the world has ... And these are SCRAPES !!!
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 4 December 2020 16: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    And these are SCRAPES !!!

                    And battle braces!
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 5 December 2020 00: 33
                  +2
                  You don’t see anything but pipes - and you don’t want to see because of your narrow-mindedness, but at the expense of An 2, I think that why is it not necessary to create a high-speed helicopter with the capacity and carrying capacity of the Mi 38 instead of it? its own is in production and at the expense of achievements
                  Aircraft building MS 21 with Russian engine PD 14
                  Mechanical engineering high power turbine GT 170
                  currently being tested
                  Nuclear power fusion unit - interaction chamber
                  and the building itself for 192 lasers in Sarov

                  Engine building Kamaz diesel Euro 6 - R6

                  And a cherry on a cake
                  In Kaliningrad, scientists from the Center for Nonlinear Chemistry of the IKBFU have created a neurochemical computer based on the Belousov-Zhabotinsky chemical reaction, the university's press service reported on Saturday.

                  The principle of operation of this device, which has been worked on for several years, is similar to the principle of operation of neural networks formed by neurons in the human brain.

                  According to the press service, which quotes the head of the center, Professor Vladimir Vanag, the basic element of a chemical neurocomputer is a micro-oscillator (cell) about 0,1 mm in size, which works on the basis of the world-famous Belousov-Zhabotinsky oscillatory reaction.

                  “Several years ago, at the first stages of work, scientists worked out the reliability of the operation of various functional units of a chemical neurocomputer,” the professor noted.

                  According to him, based on the results of testing all the main units of a chemical neurocomputer, a general concept of its operation was developed, according to which the behavior of a neurocomputer should resemble the intelligent behavior of living organisms.

                  As Vanag notes, the aim of the work was the experimental embodiment of the theoretical concept of a chemical neurocomputer into a real microdevice. And this goal was achieved.

                  The scientist said that we now have the world's first chemical neurocomputer with adaptive behavior. “Perhaps it would be more correct to call this device a chemical brain rather than a computer,” he said.

                  According to him, the prospects for using such chemical neurocomputers may be fantastic, some of which may even be frightening.

                  “Imagine hordes of small (about a millimeter in diameter) intelligent bugs that can move and perform targeted actions, for example, in search of food. However, the so-called practical significance is determined by funding and specific goals, but not by the scientific tasks of self-organization, ”Vanag said.

                  An article about the work done - "Experimental implementation of an opto-chemical" neurocomputer "was published in one of the world physical and chemical journals - Phys.Chem.Chem.Phys.
                  And you stop doing your brain and yourself and others with irons and other garbage which is in abundance on the market.
        4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 14: 16
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          it was possible to organize everything at the MSU site ..

          Amazing. Svarog, who calls himself a real patriot, draws knowledge about the realities of Russian science from films / TV series about American science, where indeed many original developments are made at various universities: Yale, Harvard, MIT.
          CalTech, in the end! Do you, my dear, look at "TBV"? In the translation of Courage-Bambey, I suppose?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 22
            -4
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            draws knowledge about the realities of Russian science from films / serials about American science, where indeed many original developments are made at various universities: Yale, Harvard, MIT.
            CalTech, in the end! Do you, my dear, look at "TBV"?

            Yes, yes .. I am the fifth column .. a fagot and a westerner .. I studied, lived and worked in the USA .. from that I know more about the USA than about Russia .. (although in Russia the average person knows more about the USA than about Russia itself. . thanks to the propagandists)
            And you are a true patriot .. You are happy that Russia is poor and dying out ..
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 14: 40
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              in Russia, the average person knows more about the United States than about Russia itself .. thanks to propagandists

              Well, so you yourself have now demonstrated exactly this!
              What do you know more about the United States than about Russia?
              Once you judge Russian science by American TV series.
              It turns out that you are a victim of "propagandists"?

              A person interested in Russian science would at least know that Moscow State University really has a platform.
              Lookout.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 42
                -7
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                A person interested in Russian science would at least know that Moscow State University really has a platform.

                And why Rusnano? What has Chubais been doing for decades?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 4 December 2020 15: 02
                  +11
                  And why Rusnano?

                  What does Rusnano have to do with supercomputers? AAA quantum is something small ... laughing You know, it's really better to be quiet sometimes.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 4 December 2020 15: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: bk316
                    And why Rusnano?

                    What does Rusnano have to do with supercomputers? AAA quantum is something small ... laughing You know, it's really better to be quiet sometimes.

                    And what does Rusnano have anything to do with ... educate about the achievements, please, at the same time indicate the amount that was withdrawn from the budget for Chubais's activities.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 4 December 2020 15: 08
                      +12
                      what does Rusnano have to do with ..

                      Unlike you, I am an expert on supercomputers and not on Chubais.
                      So who is responsible for what in this area and where we are in comparison with China, I can tell you. And write about Red yourself somehow. Only in this topic will it be your favorite pastime - flooding.
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 4 December 2020 15: 27
                        -5
                        Quote: bk316
                        Unlike you, I am an expert on supercomputers and not on Chubais.

                        And this is not about where you are a specialist, but about why everything is so in Russia .. And there are such Chubais around .. And yes .. you seem to be a specialist so-so .. because your self-esteem is too high .. a little is it not through the comment that you have "greatness"
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 4 December 2020 15: 43
                        -6
                        Quote: bk316
                        Unlike you, I am a specialist in supercomputers.

                        Then I remembered .. You were a specialist in Covid until recently .. I had to change the profession laughing
                      3. bk316
                        bk316 4 December 2020 16: 04
                        +11
                        Until recently, you were a specialist in Covid .. I had to change your profession

                        Let me write to you for the last time, but really the last. I'm pretty tired of your sclerosis.

                        I graduated from the department at VMiK, on ​​the basis of which the supercomputer center of Moscow State University was created.
                        He taught there for 10 years, and when he left, he still worked in joint projects. By the way, it is about parallel computing.
                        For more than two years I worked at the Gabrichevsky Institute of Virology. There I was engaged in, among other things, mathematical models of the spread of epidemics. Therefore, I am certainly a specialist in this area, not only on covid, but on anti-epidemic measures.

                        And I also worked in the field of computer viruses, when no one knew this term yet.
                        I also received the Lomonosov Prize as part of the development team for my work with geophysicists. And flew all over the north in batches. And directly outlined 2 fields.
                        I was also involved in the development of global positioning devices.

                        You see, what is the matter, my aching enemy of Putin, that's why I write such comments.
                        That on my own experience I am sure that life in general and the demand for a person in particular is his business and the result depends on 99% of himself.
                      4. Arkon
                        Arkon 4 December 2020 16: 20
                        +2
                        Tell me. I heard the idea that a quantum computer is suitable only for a narrow range of problems - just because of the specific mathematics that allows you to process only narrow quantum models. And that quantum computers are predicted to never be universal.

                        How correct is this view from your point of view?
                      5. bk316
                        bk316 4 December 2020 17: 01
                        +1
                        How correct is this view from your point of view?

                        Well, you asked about this now and the best theorists in programming and computational mathematics are fighting.
                        Let's get the obvious things first.
                        1. Yes, a quantum computer is designed for certain computational schemes.
                        These schemes are used in a fairly narrow range of tasks.
                        2. Computational methods are now being intensively developed to expand this circle.
                        3. There is a problem and a purely programmer quantum computer actually gives results statistically, that is, 2 + 2 it can have 3 and 5. It is possible to implement ordinary logic on such a computer, but it is difficult.

                        As a conclusion, my opinion is that a quantum computer will never become universal and will be used as a coprocessor.
                      6. Arkon
                        Arkon 4 December 2020 20: 37
                        +1
                        Thank you! good
                  2. Svarog
                    Svarog 4 December 2020 16: 32
                    -2
                    Quote: bk316
                    That from my own experience I am sure that life in general and the demand for a person in particular is his business and the result depends on 99% of himself.

                    I am sure to dig a biography of your family and your confidence will evaporate like fog at dawn.
                    Much depends on a person, but not 99% .. and not even 50% you should not know that there is genetics, family, upbringing, education and opportunity .. where is 99%
                    Again, you are too self-confident, there is youthful maximalism, a man with whom fate has not played at all yet ..
                  3. bk316
                    bk316 4 December 2020 17: 12
                    +4
                    Again, you are too self-confident, there is youthful maximalism, a man with whom fate has not played at all yet ..

                    You flatter me I'm 67 years old. Family, upbringing, education are strong external factors, but I have a lot of friends who overcame these factors (the funny thing is that in different directions) why did some overcome and others not? Well, if you do not believe in the fate, then the matter is in the people themselves. I don't believe in fate.
  2. Arkon
    Arkon 4 December 2020 15: 22
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    You are happy that Russia is poor and dying out ..


    A perfect example of manipulation.
    1. A non-quantitative comparative assertion of a negative character is made: "Russia is poor" - here the main thing is to avoid precise quantitative assessments and comparisons - in comparison with whom it is "poor", what is the threshold of "begging", and above which threshold "poverty" begins, then " prosperity ", then" wealth ". "Russia is dying out" - by what criteria is it "dying out"? Where is the border between "extinction" and "temporary population decline", at what time interval should demographic parameters be assessed? All this should not be in the manipulation comment.
    2. An unsubstantiated statement is made regarding the identity of the opponent. The affirmation should also be made in a negative way - the opponent should be portrayed as literally a monster who enjoys a depressing situation.
    3. The first two points are linked to the point of view expressed by the opponent.

    As a result, both the opponent himself and the point of view that he expresses is discredited.

    Well, that's how it was done in the last century. wink
    At the moment, such manipulations look just ridiculous. Junior class of information warfare. I suggest Svarog to take refresher courses.

    Already does not roll. laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 15: 33
      -4
      Quote: Arkon
      I suggest Svarog to take refresher courses.

      Already does not roll.

      I watch you undergo trainings .. how much do you pay for a comment? My arguments are objective, and your colleagues are trying to engage in manipulation .. Your propaganda based on lies is no longer working .. everyone sees and understands everything, and you look inadequate with cheers.
      1. Arkon
        Arkon 4 December 2020 15: 43
        +5
        Svarog, well, you at least further something do not disgrace yourself. Well what is it:
        "your propaganda"
        "my arguments are objective"
        "how much do you get paid"
        "you look inadequate"
        "your cheers chants"

        Well, it's funny, honestly. smile
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        My arguments are objective

        What are the reasons?
        Are you a beggar or are you dying out?
        Can you name any of your acquaintances beggars? Someone you know personally.
        1. veritas
          veritas 4 December 2020 16: 09
          +3
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Are you a beggar or are you dying out?

          It is rather to Rosstat you need, and not to Svarog. They have complete information who is beggar and who is dying out. Are you not interested in statistics at all?
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 16: 18
            +1
            Quote: veritas
            Are you not interested in statistics at all?

            A person is more inclined to believe his own feelings than an abstract state structure.
            If a person is told that everything is terrible and disgusting where he lives, but the person does not observe anything so terrible and disgusting around him, then it is difficult for him to accept such an assessment.
            Svarog says: "Russia is poor." I ask him if he personally sees many beggars around him? Bude he claims that Russia is poor.
            Although, of course, demagoguery will begin in the sense that it is necessary to start in the provinces, and there is already poverty in all fields.
            But to this we can answer that the author himself is clearly not from the province, and judges the situation in it clearly not on the basis of his own experience, and not even first-hand. And most likely on the next heartbreaking article in "Zen".
            1. veritas
              veritas 4 December 2020 16: 23
              +2
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              A person is more inclined to believe his own feelings than an abstract state structure.

              Well, that's right, who lives in a penthouse has different feelings, from someone who pays a mortgage for an apartment 25 meters away. But to understand the essence, you need specific data. Look at the statistics and make sure Svarog is correct.
              Svarog says: "Russia is poor." I ask him if he personally sees many beggars around him? Bude he claims that Russia is poor.

              Again, you can see the objective indicators of income. I'm not sure if they are high in Russia.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 4 December 2020 16: 33
              +3
              Quote: veritas
              Well that's right, who lives in a penthouse has different feelings,

              Thanks for your support hi
        2. bk316
          bk316 4 December 2020 17: 08
          +4
          It's more likely you need Rosstat, not Svarog

          Forgive me for interfering, with svarog everything is clear to me for a long time. He himself once admitted that the authorities offended him, I don't remember the details, but either the business was covered or something else. Well, since that time he has been fighting, as he can and is fighting. What objectivity can there be if there is a war?
          There is an interesting topic about impoverishment. It is often repeated here that the people of the Russian Federation have become impoverished in comparison with the USSR. I wanted to honestly compare the standard of living in well-fed 70 and poor 10 laughing And I realized that I lacked neither methods nor information. request
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 4 December 2020 18: 53
            -2
            What objectivity can there be if there is a war?

            You are wrong, there is no war. All I do is exchange and express my own opinion.
            And also, I am engaged in the propaganda of socialism ..
            You are here comparing the 70s with today .. Why don't you compare 1900 with 1950? When do you think life began to improve?
          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 19: 00
            0
            with svarog then everything is clear to me for a long time. He once admitted that the authorities offended him

            It's true?
        3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 19: 01
          -1
          Quote: bk316
          with svarog then everything is clear to me for a long time. He once admitted that the authorities offended him

          Confirmation please.
          Do not blame me, but without this I cannot accept your statement as an argument. In future disputes.
        4. MMX
          MMX 5 December 2020 14: 28
          +1
          I do not know what he has in his personal life or public with the state, but the fact that Svarog posts false information here is a fact.
  • Kart
    Kart 4 December 2020 14: 23
    -2
    With him, "everything is sad," "everything is gone," and "Putin is gone."
  • K-612-O
    K-612-O 4 December 2020 14: 57
    +4
    Well again, you sketch and sketch. Do you know who is involved in this project with us? And it’s not at all Moscow State University, they have enough of their own to do and they are not allowed into the defense industry.
    We have a process going on and we can also say that we created it, but as a clever friend above, he wrote all the coprocessors, that we have that for China, that for the United States. To build a really computer in the full sense of this word, in parallel, work is underway on superconductors working in the GCC.
  • credo
    credo 4 December 2020 13: 44
    +3
    This will create an entirely new fighter that will make the existing J-20 look like an aircraft of the past by comparison.
    [i] [/ i]

    It is not entirely clear, but transcripts, it turns out that, in the opinion of the Chinese, the J-20 is the best aircraft in the world, since there were no other comparisons.
    Maybe a brand new computer of the same level?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 4 December 2020 13: 53
      +2
      Quite possible. So far we are discussing the possible.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 4 December 2020 13: 38
    -3
    All that remains is the bewilderment of what our 40 development institutions actually did.


    When Putin repeats for years that "There is no time to swing" - what is he thinking about at this moment ??)
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 4 December 2020 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: Roman070280
      When Putin repeats for years that "There is no time to swing" - what is he thinking about at this moment ??)

      He doesn't think, he speaks.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 13: 44
      -8
      Quote: Roman070280
      All that remains is the bewilderment of what our 40 development institutions actually did.


      When Putin repeats for years that "There is no time to swing" - what is he thinking about at this moment ??)

      Good and sad question .. Maybe when he speaks he doesn't think? And if he thinks, maybe not about what he says wassat But rather, he just likes to talk, but does not like to do.
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      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 4 December 2020 14: 01
        0
        China has invented something there (which is not a fact yet)
        But the fact is that we have not invented anything ..))

        Instead of bleating here about power, it would be better if you went to school and would create something breakthrough.

        And have you already created a lot of breakthrough ones, in between your bleats ??)
        1. Kart
          Kart 4 December 2020 14: 25
          +2
          So you have nothing but posts on the Internet.
          Quote: Roman070280
          But the fact is that we have not invented anything ..))

          Fact. You won't invent.
          Just don't bother normal people.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 4 December 2020 15: 08
            0
            So you have nothing but posts on the Internet.

            So I do not publicly declare that I have to create something .. and that it will be better ..
            I do what I think is necessary ..


            But you expressed the idea - Instead of bleating here about power, it would be better if you studied at school and would create something breakthrough ..

            So I'm asking you - what did you create a breakthrough ??



            You won't invent.
            Just don't bother normal people.
            Like you are such a normal person .. but you bleat and did not invent anything because I disturbed you ??)
          2. veritas
            veritas 4 December 2020 16: 11
            +3
            Quote: Carte
            Fact. You won't invent.
            Just don't bother normal people.

            Can you name the normal names?
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 4 December 2020 15: 07
          +4
          Invented, the same thing, only last year and did not shout about it at every corner.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 December 2020 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    what actually we have 40 development institutions engaged in.

    If they were led by people like Chubais, Rogozin and their fosterlings, it is clear why ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 4 December 2020 14: 27
      0
      Whether it is Zyuganov, Platoshkin and their fosterlings. I wish science would flourish.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 December 2020 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        Whether it is Zyuganov, Platoshkin and their fosterlings. I wish science would flourish.

        I won't lie about Zyuganov - I have not read his works and did not light a cigarette with a finger:

        As for N.N. Platoshkin, he has written more books than you have read over the past ten years ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 4 December 2020 22: 58
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42

          As for N.N. Platoshkin, he has written more books than you have read over the past ten years

          Do you think he reads books? Rather watching TV .. 1 channel, Soloviev, Kiselev .. and other verbiage.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 December 2020 16: 10
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      If they were led by people like Chubais, Rogozin and their fosterlings, it is clear why ...

      Why don't you want to remember that since Rogozin became head of Roscosmos, there has been only one unsuccessful launch? And the crew was not injured.
      Because it's "not his merit"? And the numerous accidents before his fault, in your opinion?
      Or maybe because he once joked about a trampoline? So it was in 2015, when there were several more years before Crew Dragon, and the Americans, right from that year, refused to contract seats on the Soyuz.
      What exactly are your complaints about Rogozin? Did he bring the Russian cosmonautics to numerous accidents?
      Are you talking about objectivity? And reducing the number of accidents to a minimum is not objectivity, but propaganda, from your point of view?
      Only today there was news of the discovery of defective parts on the media.
      Which were produced in 2016, when Rogozin was not even the head of Roscosmos at all.
      But this, in your opinion, does not matter at all, the main thing is to throw mud at the person you hate, right?
      I am not defending Rogozin, I ask: Aren't you ashamed?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 December 2020 21: 12
        -1
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        I am not defending Rogozin, I ask: Aren't you ashamed?

        I don't! Why should I be ashamed? That Rogozin, a journalist and propagandist by vocation, a lecturer of the society "For the Motherland" did not abandon a position that was a priori alien to him, but of all the achievements he preferred (was !!!) the construction of a Roscosmos office in Moscow? Maybe I should blush for Chubais, for his "skillful" privatization, management of RAO UES and achievements in the field of "nano"? Or will I “spot” for the salaries of mid-level health workers that have increased to the level of the regional average?
        I would be ashamed to eat in three throats, watching how the budget expenditures are approved in manual mode ...
        I won't lick stop “The hands of the breadwinner” ... Don't try. And I have not seen worthy citizens from his entourage for a long time: either swindlers, or thieves, or hopeless stupidity ...
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 December 2020 07: 32
          +5
          You have not answered any of my questions. However, in this you have reached almost perfection. As well as stigmatizing, accusing, vilifying, and so on.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 4 December 2020 23: 01
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        I am not defending Rogozin, I ask: Aren't you ashamed?

        Rogozin is ashamed to talk about socialism and pay engineers 25 thousand rubles .. at the same time he does not refuse his multimillion salary .. this is how true patriots behave ..
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 December 2020 07: 34
          +4
          If a competition for demagogues was announced, you would take sixth place in it.
    3. veritas
      veritas 4 December 2020 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      If they were led by people like Chubais, Rogozin and their fosterlings, it is clear why ...

      There is a feeling that this list is endless.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 4 December 2020 14: 05
    -3
    What have you created?
    1. bk316
      bk316 4 December 2020 15: 04
      +2
      What have you created?

      So his business is not to create, but to spray with poison.
      And this he spawned a whole lake. So Yuri Vasilyevich has everything normal.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 5 December 2020 04: 50
        +1
        Quote: bk316
        And this he spawned a whole lake. So Yuri Vasilyevich has everything normal.

        Nice man! For you I will repeat myself. In addition to serving in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces, I had the opportunity to work on the installation of overhead lines for two decades (23 years - civilian experience). So, driving through the city, at every step I come across my own work and the work of my comrades. After our work (in the majority of cases), normal power supply was restored in people. Have you ever lived for years without normal voltage in the network, when you neither cook nor warm up tea (the electric kettle boiled in 30 minutes), neither iron, nor vacuum, nor watch TV (until new models appeared with a switching power supply unit operating in range from 170 to 250 volts) ... 100 W bulbs shone like 25-watt ... It is also true that I did not trumpet all the failed achievements and did not promise to "force Americans to jump into space on a trampoline" ... And before retirement it became hard to do steeplejack work ... And I know firsthand how ordinary citizens live ... And I saw the living conditions of retired miners and their widows too ...
        Maybe you can tell us what you became famous for in the labor field?
        Talking about poison? We were taught in the USSR how to deal with parasites, embezzlers, talkers ... And I will not sing the praises of today's "windbag" - no reason.
        Unlike Moscow retirees, who (according to statistics) “for complete happiness” need 100 - 150 thousand a month, what I have earned over 44 years of general experience is enough for me. But stop , remember and pass on to your children:
  • bk316
    bk316 4 December 2020 14: 05
    +3
    what actually we have 40 development institutions engaged in.

    But who than what basically the EBN case continued ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 23: 02
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      what actually we have 40 development institutions engaged in.

      But who than what basically the EBN case continued ...

      So it is and will continue.
  • Civil
    Civil 4 December 2020 14: 07
    -5
    The communists of the PRC again took a step forward, in contrast to one capitalist country in the world.
    1. Kart
      Kart 4 December 2020 14: 28
      +1
      The communists of the PRC, like real communists, lie recklessly about their mega successes.
      1. Civil
        Civil 4 December 2020 14: 40
        -4
        Quote: Carte
        The communists of the PRC, like real communists, lie recklessly about their mega successes.


        And that Rogozin has already moved to China and joined the CCP? laughing
      2. veritas
        veritas 4 December 2020 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        The communists of the PRC, like real communists, lie recklessly about their mega successes.

        Only Chubais is capable of the truth! Or not only?
    2. Horon
      Horon 4 December 2020 14: 52
      +5
      Foolishness was blamed. China is a capitalist country more than Russia, only ruled by the communists. Tom, there is no free medicine at all and pensions are not paid there, but you keep making people laugh with fairy tales! wassat
      1. veritas
        veritas 4 December 2020 16: 17
        -1
        Quote: Horon
        Foolishness was blamed. China is a capitalist country more than Russia, only ruled by the communists. Tom, there is no free medicine at all and pensions are not paid there, but you keep making people laugh with fairy tales! wassat

        Stupidity has come from you now. You need to take a closer look at China.
        1. Horon
          Horon 4 December 2020 16: 33
          +2
          No, study you, I'm not interested there anymore! Although you can continue to believe that Chinese communism is socially oriented and business is not in the first place for them.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 4 December 2020 15: 12
      +5
      Where did you find the communists there now? After Dan, no homies comrade. Mao, that is to say, the communists, there is no more, and the screen, so let it be.
      It's just that China, unlike us, does not pour crap on its history, even Mao was not condemned for the cult of personality and repression.
      They are an Empire with a planning horizon of 30-50 years, and a history of thousands of commercials. And not communists.
  • poquello
    poquello 4 December 2020 14: 29
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    If so ..

    something tells me that everything is wrong)
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 4 December 2020 15: 49
    0
    This will create an entirely new fighter that will make the existing J-20 look like an aircraft of the past by comparison.

    Control and analysis on new computing equipment will work, but what about the engines ?!
  • Alex777
    Alex777 4 December 2020 20: 28
    0
    And apparently the time of China is coming, unless, of course, the United States unleashes a war ..

    This is a masterful multi-step to bring the military-industrial complex and the US Defense Ministry into a deranged state. yes
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 23: 04
      +1
      Quote: Alex777
      And apparently the time of China is coming, unless, of course, the United States unleashes a war ..

      This is a masterful multi-step to bring the military-industrial complex and the US Defense Ministry into a deranged state. yes

      Some kind of insanity with these multi-moves .. yes, they are not .. he is not a strategist, a tactician, but tactics works in the short term ..
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 4 December 2020 23: 13
        0
        Some kind of insanity with these multi-moves .. but no ..

        Ha ha ha. China has no multi-way routes? A country with 5000 years of history has no strategy? lol
        Sun Tzu is an outstanding Chinese strategist and thinker who probably lived in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. BC e. He was the author of the famous treatise on military strategy, The Art of War.


        The rule of war is not to rely on the enemy not coming, but to rely on what I can meet him with; not relying on the fact that he will not attack, but relying on the fact that I will make it impossible for him to attack myself.

        Disorder is born of order, cowardice is born of courage, weakness is born of strength. Order and disorder are numbers; courage and cowardice are power; strength and weakness are form.

        If there is no benefit, don't move; if you cannot get it, do not use troops; if there is no danger, do not fight. The sovereign should not raise weapons because of his anger; a general should not go into battle because of his anger. They move when it corresponds to the benefit; if this does not correspond to the benefit, remain in place.

        There are roads that you don't follow; there are armies that are not attacked; there are fortresses over which one does not fight; there are areas for which they do not fight; there are orders of the sovereign that are not carried out.

        Avoiding collision with large forces does not indicate cowardice, but about wisdom, for sacrifice is never an advantage anywhere.

        The sovereign should not raise arms because of his anger; a general should not go into battle because of his anger. They move when it corresponds to the benefit; if this does not correspond to the benefit, remain in place. Anger can again turn into joy, anger can turn into fun again, but the lost state will not revive again, the dead will not come to life again.

        The skill of a commander is judged by the diligence of his subordinates.

        Fury kills the enemy, greed captures his wealth.

        To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of martial art. To defeat the enemy without a battle is the summit.
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 4 December 2020 21: 09
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    If so .. then the Chinese are great. And apparently the time of China is coming, unless, of course, the United States unleashes a war .. All that remains is bewilderment than we actually have 40 institutes development involved.

    I remember about 5 years ago they were shouting triumphantly that a quantum computer had appeared in Russia. who defeated everyone ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 23: 05
      +2
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Quote: Svarog
      If so .. then the Chinese are great. And apparently the time of China is coming, unless, of course, the United States unleashes a war .. All that remains is bewilderment than we actually have 40 institutes development involved.

      I remember about 5 years ago they were shouting triumphantly that a quantum computer had appeared in Russia. who defeated everyone ...

      The fact of the matter is that they just shout .. but how do you ask where to buy .. nobody knows.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 December 2020 13: 34
    -5
    Quote: Svarog
    40 development institutions

    These so-called development institutions work according to the ROZ system - cut, rollback, skid.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 December 2020 13: 34
    -1
    Again democracy is threatened.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 4 December 2020 13: 36
    +1
    And what - it has already been created straight ??
    In a year on Ali Express will be ??
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 4 December 2020 13: 37
    +3

    According to Chinese media reports, a quantum computer is 100 trillion times faster than the fastest and most powerful computer in existence. Indicated, h
    Which is a catch and exaggeration. And the order of the numbers does not inspire confidence - a helluva lot of a sharp jump.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 4 December 2020 13: 43
      -3
      very sharp jump
      Well, it's like changing from a sailing / rowing boat to a steamer - a new technology ..

      But in general, yes - 100 trillion. times .. this is even in comparison with dofig's accounts ..))
      I remember that there is some smallest number in physics .. which can no longer be reduced further .. And here, as it were, the time for the 2 + 2 operation was no less ..))
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 4 December 2020 13: 56
        +3
        Quote: Roman070280
        But in general, yes - 100 trillion. times .. this is even in comparison with dofig's accounts ..))
        I remember that there is some smallest number in physics .. which can no longer be reduced further .. And here, as it were, the time for the 2 + 2 operation was no less ..))


        Time will tell, maybe the Chinese are exaggerating, about 100 trillion times faster, but the fact that they conducted research in this area is for sure:

        "World's Largest Quantum Research Institute Established in China
        20:00, September 11, 2017

        According to scientists and Chinese authorities, the institute is being created to develop a quantum computer and other revolutionary technologies, incl. military

        The National Laboratory for Quantum Informatics will be located on a 37-hectare site next to a small lake in Hefei province, Anhui province. According to the daily Hefei newspaper, a tender for a contract for the construction of the institute will begin this month, according to the ENV ... "


        9 December 2018 to 21: 52
        China Leads the Development of Quantum Cryptography Systems

        Quantum computing systems are needed not only by science and industry. They will work for the benefit of the national security of countries that will be the first to develop full-fledged quantum computers. And it seems that China will still be the first - the country is already very actively working to achieve this goal.

        This is recognized by American experts who are doing the same - developing quantum technologies. In their opinion, if the United States or any country other than China enters the field of quantum technologies in 10 years, it will be too late, since the PRC will fully rule here.

        The country has already invested tens of millions of dollars in building networks that transmit data using quantum encryption. Last year, the Chinese satellite Micius helped conduct a communication session between Beijing and Vienna (a distance of about 7,5 thousand km). All data was quantum encrypted. A communication session between Beijing and Shanghai was held in a similar way. The infrastructure for video conferencing has been developed over four years. The project was invested not only by research organizations, but also by the government. In particular, the administration of two provinces of China at once allocated about $ 80 million for this project.

        Over time, China plans to expand the communication line, expanding the network to other cities and regions. The country's goal is to have a nationwide quantum communications infrastructure by 2030.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 4 December 2020 13: 59
        +6
        Quote: Roman070280
        But in general, yes - 100 trillion. time..

        Calm, comrade, calm!
        We still have everything ahead.
        Yuri Vizbor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBuspHr31xM)
        A quantum computer can now solve a rather narrow class of problems, for example, probabilistic ones, in quantum chromodynamics on an 11-dimensional lattice, solved by the Monte Carlo method.
  • ANB
    ANB 4 December 2020 13: 46
    +9
    A quantum computer seems to be very different from an ordinary one. And regular programs won't work on it.
    Real exploitation is still very far away.
  • MoJloT
    MoJloT 4 December 2020 13: 50
    +2
    I remember watching an American program about quantum computers, where Vanya from Geneva argued with Alexey from China who created the best computer ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 December 2020 13: 57
    -1
    The military responded to the emergence of a quantum computer of ultra-high computing ability

    It's a pity that only the Chinese military reacted to the appearance of such a computer. It's time for some people to start running against the wall ... Get out of the Aurus and about the facade - you look, a little brains will blow into the crack ...
    People are engaged in promising development: they have created a powerful industry, army, electronics, plow the lunar fields ... And here ... Ugh ...
    The New Year has not yet arrived, but saw cuts went under it ...
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 4 December 2020 14: 23
      0
      They do not stop, in our hospital in Kamen on the Ob, they began to make overhauls, money and materials were unmeasured, and the appraiser for the work, as in 2010, was presented, of course the workers had such an impression, according to the principle of a bucket you saw, you will be a painter recruited from nearby drunks. At the same time, the city is full of cool specialists. The result of the work I think will be the absence of a hospital and the availability of apartments for the right people))) So we live, we spoil ourselves.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 4 December 2020 14: 05
    +4
    In particular, we are talking about a publication in the authoritative scientific journal "Science", which tells about the creation of a supercomputer in China
    Probably, this is just a prototype, because no data other than "100 trillion times faster" is given ...
    And this is 2019:
    A prototype of the first domestic quantum computer has been created and successfully tested in Russia. The specialists of NUST MISIS and MSTU named after M.V. Bauman, and uses qubits made of superconducting materials. Their use has led to a number of advantages of the Russian quantum computer over its counterparts based on qubits on individual atoms and ions.

    Domestic quantum computer
    At the National Research Technological University (NUST) "MISiS" the first prototype of a quantum computer in Russia was launched. Representatives of the university informed CNews about it. The development of the computer started three years ago, in 2016 as part of a project of the Advanced Research Foundation.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 December 2020 14: 05
    +3
    In 2019, a prototype of a quantum computer was created and is operating in Russia.
    https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2019-10-02_v_rossii_zarabotal_pervyj
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 14: 11
      -5
      Quote: lopvlad
      In 2019, a prototype of a quantum computer was created and is operating in Russia.
      https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2019-10-02_v_rossii_zarabotal_pervyj

      In Russia, the robot flew into space. wassat
  • askort154
    askort154 4 December 2020 14: 09
    +1
    According to Chinese media reports, a quantum computer is 100 trillion times faster than the fastest and most powerful computer in existence.

    "Quantum computer" today as - "is there life on Mars"?
    The theory is "progressing" in search of large-scale funding, and financiers are waiting for real progress. But as always, first of all, the media make money on this.
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    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 December 2020 15: 23
      +7
      Bolo - you will learn to grow lard separately from pigs, after you know how, start thinking - sometimes with your head - about higher matters, and until that day do not torment the cranium. ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2020 15: 46
      +2
      And Russia "shovel" will answer this
      A new federal project, the National Quantum Laboratory, was launched at the press center of the Rossiya Segodnya MIA. The consortium, created under the auspices of ROSATOM, intends to adopt the experience of world leaders and combine the efforts and resources of key universities, research centers, technology companies, financial organizations, start-ups and development teams in the field of creating quantum computers.

      Similar national programs have already been launched in the European, American and Asian markets. Seven structures were the first to enter the National Quantum Laboratory: JV Kvant (an organization of Rosatom State Corporation), NRU HSE, NUST MISIS, MIPT (NRU), Physical Institute named after P.N. Lebedev Institute of RAS, Russian Quantum Center and Skolkovo Foundation. Subsequently, the consortium will include other interested organizations. The National Quantum Laboratory is headed by Ruslan Yunusov, Head of the Project Office for Quantum Technologies of ROSATOM.

      Participants will focus on such important tasks as creating new and updating existing infrastructure, as well as training. A nanofabrication center with an area of ​​2 thousand square meters will be built on the territory of Skolkovo. meters, as well as an advanced laboratory complex with an area of ​​more than 3,5 thousand square meters. meters. The purchased equipment will be used both for opening new laboratories and for improving the existing laboratory facilities of the NKL members. A modern infrastructural base will make it possible to qualitatively improve the level of research and scientific development, including as part of the implementation of the roadmap for quantum computing.

      In order to form a talent pool, the consortium will start launching educational programs on quantum topics, starting at the school level, and will introduce standards for training and retraining specialists. The NCL participants will pay special attention to attracting foreign experts in areas that are currently not represented at the proper level. Students, graduate students and young researchers will be able to adopt the experience of world-class scientists and use it in the development of a domestic quantum computer on four main platforms: superconductors, ions, neutral atoms and photons.

      Scientific and educational institutions, state corporations, industrial startups, as well as representatives of business and investment communities interested in implementing projects in the field of quantum computing are invited to participate in the joint work. The members of the consortium will receive methodological, marketing and analytical support for their activities, including assistance in finding personnel and attracting partners (and the startup team, among other things, will receive priority access to the incubator and accelerator).
      1. Bolo
        Bolo 4 December 2020 16: 25
        -5
        Again on the tails ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 December 2020 14: 17
    -3
    Probably from the heels of floors comp. And if this is true, then I'm glad for the Chinese. In general, a properly organized upbringing of the population in the right moments in the country works wonders. We would not treat our population like cattle, you see, there would not be such a mess in all spheres of society.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 4 December 2020 14: 23
    0
    // Indicate that a new technology using "Gaussian boson sampling //
    Do not understand.. laughing
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 December 2020 15: 26
      0
      Shahno - ask Bazon Mark Izrailevich what he and Samson Gauss have chosen wassat
  • Shahno
    Shahno 4 December 2020 14: 24
    0
    // In particular, they were interested in the possibilities that will eventually become the basis of artificial intelligence //
    I still don't understand .. laughing
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 4 December 2020 15: 28
      +2
      Shahno is when a cow climbs on a poplar backwards, while playing on a tablet in a 3D arcade wassat wassat
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 4 December 2020 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: Sergey39
    We will wait for the appearance on the sale of Chinese tablets and smartphones with quantum processors at the price of conventional ones. laughing

    only after a suitable battery has been created.
  • Horon
    Horon 4 December 2020 14: 40
    0
    And then God thought a little: -What future to choose? Either humanity in the Matrix is ​​under the complete control of machines, or complete extermination in the style of Skynet ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2020 15: 49
      +1
      The future of humanity has already been chosen by him - Cyberpunk automation robotic AI neural networks and much more.
      1. Horon
        Horon 4 December 2020 16: 17
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        The future of humanity has already been chosen by him - Cyberpunk automation robotic AI neural networks and much more.

        And where is the place of man in this world?
  • askort154
    askort154 4 December 2020 14: 47
    +1
    askort154 ..A quantum computer is reported to be 100 trillion times faster than the fastest and most powerful computer in existence, according to Chinese media reports.

    Such numbers are easily perceived when the country's population is estimated at 1,5 billion people. For everyone else, this is an unimaginable figure. crying
  • APASUS
    APASUS 4 December 2020 15: 30
    +2
    My neighbor says that he can with his wife 3 times a night, and he is already over 80 years old.
    You also say ............
  • StroiaBat
    StroiaBat 4 December 2020 16: 32
    -4
    Here is the "planned economy" of the socialist system with a market face .. What a breakthrough China has made since the 90s! They took into account the mistakes of the USSR, when the technology collapsed, they bought up for a pittance or poked ... Burn in hell a humpbacked Judas and a drunken devil ebn.
    And here's another interesting thing, Putin recently said bluntly who will be the first to create an "artificial intelligence" will own the world .. Not for nothing! hi
    The military responded to the advent of a quantum computer of ultra-high computing power. In particular, they were interested in the possibilities that will eventually become the basis of artificial intelligence,
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2020 00: 44
      -1
      "Here it is the" planned economy "of a socialist system with a market face" - No, just a market economy and yes, not everything is smooth with the Chinese technology
      Moscow. December 2nd. Interfax - Russia and China have a contract for the supply of almost 100 helicopter engines for Mi and Ka helicopters in 2021-2022, the press service of the United Engine Corporation (UEC, Rostec) reported.

      "The result of the certificate validation in China was a contract for the supply of almost 2021 VK-2022PS-100 engines in 2500-03," the statement said.

      The press service also reported that the UEC certified the VK-2500PS-03 engine in South Korea for the Mi-171A2 civilian helicopter.

      "Validation of the type certificate will allow the start of deliveries of units manufactured by UEC Klimov to this country," the corporation said.

      The VK-2500PS-03 turboshaft engine is the latest modification of the VK-2500 and can be used on the Mi and Ka helicopters.

      The annual report of Rostec reported that Russia and China have a contract for the supply of 18 Mi-171Sh military transport helicopters, and more than 120 helicopters for various purposes have been ordered in total.

      "During 2019, Russian Helicopters signed contracts for the supply of the following Russian-made helicopters to China: 68 Mi-171 helicopters (including the upgraded Mi-171E); 18 Mi-171Sh (military transport) helicopters," - stated in the document. "This is the picture with engines for fighters and gas turbines for energy - it turns out to be much more difficult to create them than the world's most powerful quantum computing machine.
  • yfast
    yfast 4 December 2020 20: 47
    +1
    To believe in Chinese trillions is not to respect yourself. Let them continue to hang noodles on their ears.
  • Barabanshik
    Barabanshik 4 December 2020 22: 02
    -1
    But the economy of China was created by the USSR and laid the foundation even under Stalin ..
    This is the result of socialist planning and the leadership of the Communist Party!
    Mao was right when he talked to Khrushchev, calling him a henchman and a traitor, whose followers will surrender their membership cards and the country .. soldier
  • Outsider
    Outsider 12 December 2020 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    What objectivity can there be if there is a war?

    You are wrong, there is no war. All I do is exchange and express my own opinion.
    And also, I am engaged in the propaganda of socialism ..

    - Socialism as an administrative-command system, when all means of production are socialized and only a shoemaker's workshop or a dental office can be privately owned? Is the release of T-shirts, shorts and boots carried out at the direction of the State Planning Commission?