"We repainted civil trucks in green and sold to us": in Ukraine, they are unhappy with the purchase of Belarusian MAZs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

In Ukraine, a scandal erupted over the purchase of Belarusian trucks for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We are talking about the acquisition of 41 MAZ vehicles, which are unhappy in Ukraine.

According to the former assistant to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Yuriy Povkh, there was a scam during the purchase. It consists in the fact that, under the guise of army trucks, Ukraine bought from Minsk "civilian trucks, repainted in the color of the military."

Former Ukrainian official:

MAZ-631727 vehicles with a carrying capacity of 8-12 tons do not meet many criteria for this class of vehicles. They repainted the civilian trucks green and sold them to us. Moreover, Ukraine bought these MAZs at a price that in general is 8 million UAH higher than the price of domestic cars.

It is indicated that 6 companies applied for participation in the tender, of which three were selected. Moreover, the Ukrainian Kremenchug Automobile Plant (KrAZ) and Auto Assembly Plant No. 2 from Bogdan Motors were among the rejected documents at the stage of filing.

As a result, the company "TD Stroydormash" was chosen, which sold, allegedly, "slightly converted MAZ-631727 trucks."

Povh points out that the volunteers, having examined the cars, came to the conclusion that their equipment can hardly be called army equipment. In particular, the use of Chinese towing ropes, which can withstand a load of up to 10 tons, is indicated, which is not enough for the needs of the army.

From the list of additional claims:

These MAZs have a too low onboard platform, which significantly impairs the ability to service in the field, a toolbox is inexpediently placed on them, which has every chance to come off and impairs the passability of a car, there are no cab blackout curtains on trucks.

Also, claims arose about the painting of the radiator, which impairs heat transfer and identification of spare parts.

Comments

[Egoza]

There is no need to blame the mirror .... Why did they refuse their manufacturers? You have learned to send "luxurious cars" to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And if they were painted in zhovto-blakitny? Would it be okay?

[BDRM 667]

indicates the use of Chinese towing ropes, which can withstand a load of up to 10 tons, which is not enough for the needs of the army.

Quote: aszzz888

All around zrada! Theirs wasted, someone else's hayut!

pygmy ... We'll have to order the ropes at the Khartsyzsk Rope Works, which is in the DPR ...

[Cowbra]

Quote: BDRM 667

We'll have to order the ropes at the Khartsyzsk Rope Works, which is in the DPR ...

And to them immediately soap and a hook - otherwise there are no trees left on the outskirts - Les Kruglyak all emigrated to Poland)))

[Merry_Militarist]

And to them immediately soap and a hook - otherwise there are no trees left on the outskirts - Les Kruglyak all emigrated to Poland)))

You would be so worried about the Siberian forests that emigrate to China or simply burn, khokhmach. And while you are laughing, catch the "sleeper"

[serezhasoldatow]

And what are you doing here. Quickly into the cache and cut the front sight of the machine gun.

[serezhasoldatow]

All liberasts, Bandera, anal hamsters, Hodor rabbits and other evil spirits are distinguished by ignorance, rudeness and the use of profanity.
PS Was the fly cut down? We must honor the precepts of the Bandera grandfather.

[Odessa Greek]

Do not be afraid, Mr. Sumerian for the Siberian forests, think better for the Carpathians, otherwise soon the power of the member-pianist Ze will take the last from Ukraine, under the control of the Bolshevik government (representatives of diplomatic missions of the big 7 )

[Russian jacket]

You don't have to worry about the Siberian forests ... Although they are burning, they grow and extinguish them, despite the cries of the liberals ... And processing and control is getting better due to quiet sadness .... I walk with a pesel outside the city near a piece of iron. If earlier they drove mainly round timber, now they are more edged board and timber. Certainly not furniture, but the price is different. And by the way, now Tajiks and Uzbeks work in the markets as Chinese ... About me. Siberia. Irkutsk region.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Enough to carry a fairy tale from the censor here, forests are burning everywhere, even at your owners in the United States, only in Russia they are extinguished, and you have widespread and there is nothing to burn. about China - again you gnawed a dung, although the forest is being sawn for China, but figure it out and plant it again, with saplings, what do you don’t want to do in your carpathians ... google maps show the hemp deserts well

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

There is no need to blame the mirror .... Why did they refuse their manufacturers?

Yes, and they bought directly from MAZ, and from some kind of paid scam "TD Stroydormash".
Where the shemers are smart, and then even on such a deal they screwed up. It's hard to believe that "I am not a sucker!"

[BDRM 667]

Quote: tihonmarine

Where the shemers are smart, and then even on such a deal they screwed up. It's hard to believe that "I am not a sucker!"

Where did you come from that you screwed up? Far from it!
The one (Those) who smuggled this deal through the "Gasket" of "TD Stroydormash", on the difference "purchase-sale" - pockets stuffed tight

And the fact that their army is not satisfied with something there, so they Lokhovskoe opinion, the sheriff is not interested .

[tihonmarine]

Quote: BDRM 667

Where did you come from that you screwed up? Far from it!

 Who ordered, and then realized that he flew, he began to yell. And those who bought sit in a pub and celebrate the deal, and even laugh at the suckers. Ukrainian reality.

[gurzuf]

Come on - the army does not suit you! The army is satisfied with the same (they got a rollback). This - the volunteers are not satisfied with whom - they did not share. After all, they raised the boil

[Cutter]

which, in general, exceeds the price of domestic cars by UAH 8 million.

Well, what would you want, representatives of the "customer" should eat something and ride something ...

[Plastmaster]

Quote: Cutter

Well, what would you want, representatives of the "customer" should eat something and ride something ...

As if capitalism. Who snatched what. But in fact, we are not boring either

[dauria]

As if capitalism. Who snatched what. But in fact, we are not boring either

IP camera. With a beautiful sticker from the manufacturer of the Moscow LLC. The default time is plus 5 hours from Moscow. The Chinese have become completely insolent ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

The purchase of MAZs usually comes from "Bogdan" - an enterprise controlled by Gunpowder.
But the unsatisfactory quality of the trucks was mentioned three years ago: the unsatisfactory quality of welding of secondary parts and painting were indicated.

[Olezhek]

And they bought directly from MAZ

Yes, which is typical: MAZ is the "supplier of the royal court" Ukrobanders ...

[Cananecat]

Chot tells me that under a new layer of paint you can find the inscription "Old Man takes revenge"))

[Bolt cutter]

and identification of spare parts.

Look at the root! And how now, one wonders, to push the spare parts to the left ?

[svp67]

Madam

Quote: Egoza

Why did they refuse their producers?

Something seems to me that they just decided to "push aside" the old "hydrant", since they "drove" "Bogdan Motors", on which the same MAZ trucks were quite assembled for the Ukrainian Armed Forces from vehicle kits sent from Belarus.

In March 2016, an agreement was signed on the assembly production of MAZ-6317 trucks in Cherkassy, ​​at the subsidiary of the Bogdan corporation "Automobile assembly plant No. 2" (under the name "Bogdan-6317")

Just MONEY, no BIG MONEY and nothing personal. "Team Ze" also wants to "eat", and also children and possible grandchildren ... From here and these "repainted" MAZs and the willingness to buy "Tatras"

[aszzz888]

All around zrada! Theirs wasted, someone else's hayut!

[NDR-791]

I'm probably cross-eyed ??? In the "Subject of the Contract" on a clean mov is written MAZ-631727 !!!!!
What we ordered is what we got. Send claims:
TD Stroydormash, which allegedly sold "slightly converted MAZ-631727 trucks."
and for overpaying their ingots to the ministry of zrada.

[Thrall]

And the Belarusians-suckers on the basis of this MAZ make their cities. They do not know that he is a purely civilian

[K-612-O]

So this KrAZ is like in the photo, the cabin is definitely not Mazovian, although it looks like MAZ, but the KrAZ trucks were also heavy

[BDRM 667]

Quote: K-612-O

So this KrAZ is like in the photo, the cabin is definitely not Mazovian, although it looks like MAZ, but the KrAZ trucks were also heavy

It MAZ without a doubt.
And the KRAZs of the cabover layout, about which you write, and which Ukraine has collected "with the world on a string" in single copies - here:

In general with MAZ in appearance, except for the layout, if you look in detail - nothing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aszzz888

Their own wasted, someone else's hayut!

And even on someone else's fooled.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

That repainted, well done. But the trident was not drawn on the cockpit, on the dashboard, on the wheels and on the windshield. What a war machine it is. Again, the embroidered shirts were not put in the spare parts. And about the fact that the yellow-blocky flag, no, generally keep quiet. Shame and shame!

[Thrall]

And if SUGS is in the cockpit or ziganitsya from the street - it will not start

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And about the fact that the yellow-blocking flag, no, generally keep quiet. Shame and shame!

And the front glass does not say "Peremoga! Glory to the heroes!"

[potap6509]

IRP with bacon and vodka, too, bye-bye, all around the zrada.

[Olezhek]

That repainted, well done. But the trident was not drawn on the cabin, on the dashboard, on the wheels and on the windshield

There was no order.
So they would draw.
For money.

[Pessimist22]

Someone cut money on a deal

[ork_333]

Ukrainians have vparili themselves this technique and try even in such a situation to find someone to blame (anyone but themselves). For reference: Kiev Stroydormash belongs to Miroslav Guivan, Chairman of the Supervisory Board and the main shareholder of Spetsbudmash CJSC, which has received contracts for UAH 2013 million since 78,1.

[KVU-NSVD]

I would also show that the coloring is like that of the trucks of the "Ahressor" army

[Neobag]

Few noticed, not only everything that is not in the gum-blakite color

[Avior]

I don't know how these trucks are in reality, but the above list of alleged shortcomings is simply ridiculous.
Is it called, what would it cling to?

[Kara]

Quote: Avior

Is it called, what would it cling to?

Just looking for the extreme.

[Avior]

It's just that the ex-adviser to the minister is dissatisfied with what the current adviser is doing.
Or he is simply not happy that he was kicked out, because everything is bad, or others paid him, and not those from whom they bought.
I suspect the owner of KrAZ, who brought the plant to a stop, I would like to receive an order,
So the search for the cable of the wrong system with the hands of an ex-advisor went.
If there are no complaints except for the cable and the tool box, then everything was bought normally, as I understand it.
Otherwise, the claims would have been completely different, and not about the curtains in the cockpit

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

I don't know how these trucks are in reality, but the above list of alleged shortcomings is simply ridiculous.
Is it called, what would it cling to?

And the list is kind of scanty. It is immediately clear that the volunteers did not read Konetsky - he only had 22 deviations from the order of the Commander-in-Chief on his shovel:

REPORT
I hereby inform you about fire shovel No. 5. When examining fire shovel No. 5, I established the following deviations from the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Navy:
1. The shank of the shovel is shorter than the standard one.
2. Poorly planted, swinging.
3. There is no bulb at the end of the cutting.
4. Shovel tracker clogged with grease.
5. The cheeks of the shovel are rusty, not greased.
6. The shovel is not a shovel type.
7. The shovel shaft does not fit into the holders on the fire board.
8. The shovel on the fire stand is therefore not fixed, but keeps the hell out.
9. The shovel is not colored red.
10. There is no last check tag on the shovel.
11. There is no inventory number on the shovel.
12. The shovel is not included in the income and expense book.
13. The shovel is not included in the inventory of the fire board.
14. The shovel is not hanging in its proper place. Far from the site of the future fire.
15. During testing, the shovel broke.
16. The broken shovel was not included in the write-off report.
17. The shovel is not excluded from the inventory of the fire board.
18. There is no administrative opinion on the reason for the breakage of the shovel.
19. There is no order to punish the culprit of the shovel breakage.
20. The shovel, even before the breakdown, exceeded the standard by 11 kg in weight 250 g.
21. The shovel was not assigned to a specific sailor of the combat fire brigade.
22. During operation, the shovel was repeatedly used not for its direct (fire) purpose. Inquiry established: in winter conditions the boatswain was cleaning the snow on the deck, foreman of I article Chuvilin V.D.Then she beat the boatswain, foreman of I article Chuvilin V.D. portrait of a female historical person.
Conclusion. In view of the final breakdown of the shovel - factory N 15256 (ship N 5) - it is impossible to recognize its further use for combat and firefighting needs. The cost of the entrenching tool should be written off at the expense of the boatswain, foreman I article Chuvilin V.D.
To determine the cost of a shovel (shank, tulle, offensive, tray), create a commission consisting of 3 (three) officers, including the head of the medical and sanitary service, senior lieutenant A.B. Zakharov.
Reviewer: Lieutenant Commander
Dudarkin-Krylov N. D.
Port of Arkhangelsk.

[Avior]

This is what I thought, points 13 and 17 are mutually exclusive.
Not included in the inventory, but not excluded from the inventory.
On the other hand, you cannot argue - if it is not included in the inventory, then it cannot be excluded :)))

[Reviews]

MAZ-631727

So, this model is spelled out in the contract. Did they look at her spec before signing? Are you completely out of stock?

[Galleon]

Here are the volunteers, what a bastard , stick their nose everywhere! Either the breed of people is such a new one, or a mental illness .
In fact, nothing new under the sun. The general from communications bought Chinese radios from us and pasted the nameplates, from non-brothers used trucks were tricked and sold to the infantry. Some keep their ears open and take the initiative on how to steal. That's where the disease, mass psychosis ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What other volunteers could check out the military truck? Stop talking nonsense. The military truck is tested in special tests. The cable is not the same and the board is of the wrong height)))

MAZ is a normal military truck, everything in it meets the requirements for such vehicles. He is probably in service with the army of Belarus.

And KrAZ can only fasten a Chinese cab to the frame with a Russian engine purchased through third parties. Everyone understood perfectly well that KrAZ and Bogdan Motors would have been supplying these trucks for several years, and the scoundrel Lukashenka sold and delivered as many as necessary.

[Olezhek]

and the scoundrel Lukashenka sold and delivered at once as much as necessary.

As I understand it, you are sincerely happy with the growth of the Harbour's power?
Congratulations.

[AbacUssR]

, or the author has a taste, or buyers of cars))))
A contract, technical specification, performance characteristics, etc. is this a bukoff set? read / write contract documents - do you need to spend money?))))

[Reviews]

Quote: AbacUssR

, or the author has a taste, or buyers of cars))))
A contract, technical specification, performance characteristics, etc. is this a bukoff set? read / write contract documents - do you need to spend money?))))

The contract spelled out exactly the model that they squeak about, that it does not fit.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

If their auto industry went out of business, then it was necessary to take four-axle KAMAZs, or URALs. Cheap, cheerful and reliable.

[Cowbra]

Well, repaint them in your usual blue ... And hang the rainbow flag, why are you panicking?

[Jager]

Rainbow flag with a trident on the body, complete with lard. And to go to the broads in Syria, they will appreciate this performance.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Ukraine bought from Minsk "civilian trucks, repainted in the color of the military" ...... and how the civilian off-road trucks differ from the military !!!! ...... most likely, the toad woke up briskly ... how did it cut the dough without it, the main thing indicates this "MAZs are also at a price that in general is 8 million UAH higher than the price of domestic cars." ... so there are no ridiculous "do not meet many criteria for this class of cars" ... there is only a toad which was left overboard ... the more bankrupt KrAZ would hardly have put their products exactly like the Bogdan Motors, which does not have its own production base ... and Mazurik is a decent machine ... call yurchik ... you are just stupid thrown on the saw

[Kerensky]

Someone flew by with a rollback and was kicked out.

According to the former assistant to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Yuriy Povkh,

Isn't he

[rotmistr60]

"Repainted civilian trucks green and sold to us"

Repaint it back in civilian colors (preferably zhovto-blakite) and the problems will disappear by themselves. If your minister did not want yours, who hail your minister, rejoicing that KrAZ went bankrupt, so get what you deserve.

[Neobag]

Are volunteers almost the same as bloggers and internet experts?

[Gato]

Not really. They also steal.

[Merry_Militarist]

Are volunteers almost the same as bloggers and internet experts?

About the level of local experts.

[7,62h54]

And how to resist aggression with such a technique. Raguli defend Europe, but what is there, defend the whole world, and here on you, they deceived the naive and kind.

[ufpb]

The top of insanity - volunteers acted as Experts. Then only the words of S. Lavrov.

[Captan78]

It turns out that volunteers are engaged in the acceptance of equipment? Who are these people anyway? And the most important thing is this statement of the ex-assistant - this apparently became a trend, as soon as he became an ex, his eyes immediately opened)))

[APASUS]

I wonder how you can buy cars for the Ukrainian Armed Forces not from the manufacturer? With just one goal, how to fill your pocket

[Lynx2000]

Why did they howl? The basic MAZ-6317 was originally developed on the instructions of the USSR Council of Ministers as a military one.
Camouflage curtains in the cockpit, a tow rope and a toolbox interfere with fighting ?!
Guys, can't you install a warm closet in your sleeping bag and climate control?

[pereselenec]

Ie, we will save the dad, and he drives the ukrobenderovtsam technique?

[alexmach]

News to you? But don't worry, it's nothing personal, just business.

[Olezhek]

Ie, we will save the dad, and he drives the ukrobenderovtsam technique?

Equipment, fuels and lubricants, military materials ...
In general, he is an enemy of Russia.
Is this news for you?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Povh points out that the volunteers, having examined the cars, came to the conclusion

Volunteers in Ukraine are now experts in all spheres)).

I suspect that they chose MAZ because the trucks were urgently needed and the scoundrel-Lukashenko sold them to them immediately and in the required quantity, and KrAZ would still assemble these trucks, and with engines from Russia, Bogdan Motors would put a repainted Chinese, other bids were most likely expensive if they were from European manufacturers.

In general, Lukashenka rescued the punishers.

Damn it with him, why are we helping him out after all the meanness that he arranged for Russia ?! I do not understand.

[alexmach]

Clowns. Questions to whom? Not to the one who wrote the requirements for this "tender"? Not to the one who actually carried out the purchase?

[Constanty]

With all due respect, these shortcomings are ridiculous little things that can be fixed for little money.
However, it is surprising that ordering abroad is more expensive than buying from its own factories - after all, KrAZ could probably still produce similar trucks.
Even such a small order for a company in a difficult situation is a big support.

Under current policies, this country has no right to survive. And this is a shame, because they took over huge assets and opportunities from the USSR.

[Arthur 85]

Like, kaput KRAZ, I recently read somewhere. Well, okay.

[Avior]

If the production is piecemeal, then the price rises strongly, so there may be problems with kraz
But in general, the kraz worked for abroad, and why they stopped it - you need to ask the current owner how his own plant brought it to the handle

[ccsr]

Povh points out that the volunteers, having examined the cars, came to the conclusion that their equipment can hardly be called army equipment.

This is typical for Svidomo - the Ukrainian fools do not know that the troops use civilian vehicles, which, upon delivery, must be painted in a khaki, according to the contract. The cost of such cars is always higher than ordinary ones, if only because they pass military acceptance and undergo additional tests, this has always been the case. Both ZIL-131 and ZIL-130 were supplied to the Soviet Army, and all of them passed military acceptance at the factory if the Ministry of Defense paid for the order.
In general, it is not clear why the svidomye went into a rage, but I think that MAZ is a more reliable car than anything that Ukrainian automakers have put forward.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Damaged on the head of the small town and then managed to shit.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

"In particular, the use of Chinese towing ropes is indicated, which can withstand a load of up to 10 tons, which is not enough for the needs of the army." - what's this? Ukrainian volunteers say that the Chinese produce shitty quality ropes?

[StroiaBat]

"Repainted civilian trucks green and sold to us":

That's not a task, not all of you "lads garny" to throw someone?
Old Man also wants to make money, it is not always the same to throw Russia and deceive))) Use what you gave, soon Baidan will send you "hamerov" used))))

[SPQR]

Damn, if you don't like it, don't take it ...
Zadolbalo is their constant whining to read. Everyone and everyone owes them ...

[orionvitt]

8 million hryvnia exceeds the price of domestic cars.

Which domestic ones? KrAZ went bankrupt, so let them forget. Finished domestic in Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine. Hooray comrades.

[Avior]

For KrAZ, these are the problems of its owner

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

For KrAZ, these are the problems of its owner

What's the difference? Owners, or countries. The enterprise no longer produces products, and these are the problems of Ukraine as a whole, which, however, cannot but be glad about. Maidan and democracy in action.

[Avior]

Big. The problems of a private enterprise are the problems of its owner.
If the owner does not have enough abilities, he must sell the enterprise, and not demand state subsidies in any form.
They will go to waste anyway.
It is possible to support the company with temporary difficulties, but this is not about the owner of Kraz.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

The problems of a private enterprise are the problems of its owner.

Yes, everyone wanted to spit on the owner. In this case, these are the problems of a country that considers itself a state. She lost a domestic manufacturer of army (and civilian, not very bad) trucks. Just fine, I'm happy for Ukraine.

[Avior]

The owner lost, his problems
Production has long been owned by him, and not by the country
His profit, his problems.
The country can buy from another manufacturer, even if in the Czech Republic.

And what's the problem?

[Growlers]

Some claims are far-fetched and the impression is that they were made by "expert Katya", heavier than deo Matiz who drove nothing .... Most likely the point is that you need to buy cars from the owners

[mu1972]

how! but how to repaint 50 year old buildings and sell them like new Sumerians ?? and what for us ?!))))

[Arthur 85]

Volunteers examined. After this phrase, everything is clear.

[Pavel57]

RB will still supply trucks?

[cat Rusich]

"Claims of volunteers" about Chinese towing ropes ridiculous - I do not like the "Chinese cable" - купи the cable that you like ... All other "volunteer claims" are eliminated in the same way or their own hands (it is clear that the "Ukrainian volunteers" hands grow out of the priests). I guess main plug in the brand of cars - "Tatra" is seriously aiming at the sales market in Ukraine - contracts have already been concluded for the rearmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Tatra platform ... and here MAZ wedged in

[Olezhek]

These MAZs have

As I understand it, today MAZs for ukrovoyenov are something like Opel-Blitz?
That's interesting.
And half a billion of the Russian loan went, in particular, not to support MAZ?

[Olezhek]

Inspired however

[Olezhek]

And a personal compliment
to suppliers and consumers of this wonderful technology ...

[Avior]

Propaganda has its own universal laws
https://foto-history.livejournal.com/3478035.html?

[TatarinSSSR]

Well, it's good when there is a hole in the old woman. Not one crested to throw people for loot.

[Olezhek]

You are so worried about Bandera's fighting efficiency and financial well-being that I also felt a little sorry for you.
You are a good person.

[Olezhek]

But you know - it's not at all a fact that Tikhanovskaya will supply military equipment to the Banderaites.
IS NOT A FACT
Should Belarus have at least one decent politician?

[SaLaR]

Export of Russia to Ukraine
In the structure of Russian exports to Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 (and in the 1st quarter of 2019), the main share of supplies fell on the following types of goods:

Chemical industry products (TN VED codes 28-40) - 27,59% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 15,92%);
Food products and agricultural raw materials (TN VED codes 01-24) - 18,83% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 6,94%);
Machinery, equipment and vehicles (TN VED codes 84-90) - 15,25% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 7,19%);
Mineral products (TN VED codes 25-27) - 13,17% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 54,69%);
Metals and metal products (TN VED codes 72-83) - 11,66% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 8,51%);
Wood and pulp and paper products (TN VED codes 44-49) - 5,16% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 3,05%);
Textiles and footwear (TN VED codes 50-67) - 3,05% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 1,11%).

There is no need to nod at a neighbor ... when poop.. Or does it not smell of its own ????

[altimo1]

Steal from the word Ukraine.)))

[gurzuf]

Oh how! The volunteers made an expert opinion.

[Holsten]

Not personal, only buisness. It is interesting to know how our Belarusian friends take care of the armament of our enemies.

[anjey]

Also, claims arose about the painting of the radiator, which impairs heat transfer and identification of spare parts.

All my life, radiators from the factory were painted black, maybe the same Chinese, they don't paint bimetal now ???

[polinet]

"volunteers, seeing the cars" - oh! sofa specialists arrived in time)))