New territorial claims of China against Russia

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Not long ago, Russian and Chinese delegations took part in the so-called verification of the state border between the two countries. The audit was carried out in the status of demarcation measures in the territory of the Republic of Altai in accordance with the agreements reached in the Chinese city of Urumqi on July 25 of 2012. The demarcation work on the part of Russia was carried out under the leadership of Dmitry Kodenko, who is the representative of the FSB Border Department in the Altai Republic. The head of the Chinese delegation was Yu Guangsin - Director of the International Relations Department of the Altai District of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of the PRC.

New territorial claims of China against Russia
Chinese border guards offered Russia to give 17 hectares of land in the mountains of Altai (photo http://fedpress.ru)


It would seem that in the work of the bilateral commission there should have been no difficulties, except for the one that is associated with work in mountainous terrain. But in fact, the demarcation measures were not completed. The reason for this was the unexpectedly voiced position by the Chinese side, which was reduced to the need on the part of the Russian Federation to shift the section of the state border inland to China, so that China would receive the “native Chinese” 17 hectares of the Altai highlands. At the same time, the Chinese side, in fact, did not submit any documents that would at least somehow describe the claims for the aforementioned hectares, which suddenly turned into disputed territories. Yes, in legal terms, she could not present them, because as recently as 2005, an agreement was signed on the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border, according to which Russia handed over to China, as much as 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories.

In this regard, the Chinese claims may seem strange not only as such, but also strange in that sense, why did these claims suddenly manifest themselves in the Altai region? The answer to this question lies almost on the surface. The fact is that the Russian Federation on the territory of the Republic of Altai has a border with China, a little less than 55 kilometers. Due to the fact that the border line runs at an altitude reaching 3 thousands of meters, the checkpoints are not equipped here, because in the border areas, if economic activity is conducted, it is conducted on a very modest scale in order to pull barbed wire between countries and equip border posts.

Obviously, the absence of the very frontier outposts in the region provided Beijing with food for thought about whether or not to try again to follow the Chinese diplomatic diplomacy honed in the confrontation with the USSR, and not even a inch of land from Russia. China, apparently, went according to a simple principle: if Russia does not protect a part of the border, then it can be stated that this area should belong to China. And in order for the dispute not to result in a tougher confrontation, Beijing requires "only" 17 hectares. They say, well, why should we raise controversy because of such trifles - just give some land, and we will look and leave us alone.

In order to resolve the current crisis situation, it was decided to hold the next meeting of the bilateral commission in Gorno-Altaisk in late August - early September. During this time, the Russian side must figure out how to resist (and whether it is worth resisting at all ...) with the new Chinese territorial claims. In other words, Beijing gives the Russian authorities time to think: to give or not to give the People’s Republic of China another “modest territorial” gift, which, frankly, for all history relations with China were already indecent many ...

As history shows, any territorial indulgence in relation to a neighboring state, no matter how modest it is (indulgence), always becomes a precedent. The meaning of this is approximately the following: today you gave us 17 ha, tomorrow we will ask you for 25, and the day after tomorrow it will be possible to talk about more impressive areas. Concessions made once will lead to new and new territorial requirements.

In this regard, the position of those people who say, they say, well, and so what if we give Beijing some hard-to-reach Altai piece consisting of stones covered with rare flora, is surprising. They say, for this, China will endow Russia with its loyalty in the UN Security Council, and at other international platforms. But, excuse me, the exchange is not at all equivalent: “Neighbor, give me your land, and I will say how good you are.” But does Russia need international support at such a price? Paying your own territory just for someone rubbing their hands at the success of the “deal” called us white and fluffy ... That's too much ...

It means that it is time for Russia to make it clear once and for all to any state in this world, no matter how friendly and loyal it may seem, that the territory of the country cannot under any circumstances be subject to interstate bargaining.

By the way, the territorial claims of the PRC to Russia are far from being unique in their own way. Today there are a large number of disputed territories in different parts of the world, which should, from Beijing’s point of view, end up with China.

The list, if you do not take into account the Altai 17 ha, looks quite impressive.

1. China denotes a dispute with Japan over the Senkaku (Diaoyu) islands and at the same time conducts vigorous economic activity in the immediate vicinity of the archipelago, which Japan considers to be its own.

2. In 2002, China presented materials according to which it should receive the disputed territories of one of its southern neighbors - Bhutan. And, despite the fact that the official authorities of this country did not sign any protocols on the rejection of a certain part of the territory in relation to China, the PRC workers began to build road networks and other infrastructure facilities on the disputed lands.

3. China is actively fighting for the islands of the South China Sea, constantly entering into diplomatic (and not only diplomatic) conflicts with states such as the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

4. The territorial dispute between China and Tajikistan, as a result of which more than 1150 sq. Kilometers were transferred to Beijing's jurisdiction, was “settled” in 2011 (but where is the guarantee that China will not apply the “Altai scenario” in this case as well).

5. The Sino-Indian border territorial dispute has been going on for at least 50 years.

This list may be continued by a succession of territorial disputes between China and Kazakhstan, Taiwan, Kyrgyzstan and other countries of the world. If we consider the totality of all the Chinese claims, then we get an interesting picture: China wants to receive territorial gifts from all its neighbors (and not only its neighbors). This, excuse me, some kind of Chinese “Lebensraum” is obtained, and only ...
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  1. +70
    August 16 2012
    China is just starting to openly greyhound!
    The guys felt their economic and military importance and, in fact, are starting to shake their eyebrows left and right. There the states sent nadys almost three letters .. And not in a whisper, but through the official printed mouthpiece - the newspaper "Zhenmin Daily". It takes a sobering shower for our Chinese friends
    1. +18
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul

      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      Our narrow-eyed friends warmed themselves up, and that’s them. Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.
      1. +25
        August 16 2012
        Quote: piratehnik
        Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America

        I, in principle, do not mind that they nest their bases near the states ... Then those will have less headaches for our "unrighteous life"! True, this is a double-edged sword - it is not the first time for minke whales to block with those who can pile them on the very tomatoes. So here, too, a kind of alliance is possible. So the words - "Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy!" Are indisputable truth for centuries for us!
        1. -6
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          A sobering shower is required for our Chinese friends

          Oh well! And what are you going to "water" them, I'm embarrassed to ask ??? Well, you do not talk nonsense! Well really not serious ........!
          1. +7
            August 16 2012
            hi
            Quote: nycsson
            too shy to ask???

            Feel free - don't ask ... belay
            1. +7
              August 16 2012
              Quote: esaul
              Feel free - don't ask ...

              Yeah! The answer is worthy of a moderator! hi
              1. recitatorus
                +34
                August 16 2012
                Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate. With these yellow-faced faces, show the slack, they will be impudent to infinity.
                1. Ataturk
                  +23
                  August 16 2012
                  Quote: recitatorus
                  Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate. With these yellow-faced faces, show the slack, they will be impudent to infinity.


                  You are a plus. In the most severe form necessary. To discourage desire. Although they were once counted, the bastards were friends with Russia, they removed attention from themselves, saved up and prepared.

                  It will be very difficult to ruin them. Here it is rather necessary to unite with India and the United States in order to put them on a stake.

                  If Russia puts them in their place again, then they will shut up again for a couple of years and will be even better prepared.

                  Here the factor that they have nuclear weapons interferes. For such a claim, one must take the same land from them. To understand it is impossible for someone else’s good to touch his paws.

                  Evil takes me from such topics. ON THE NUMBER OF THEM AND IN THE MOST RIGID FORM am
                  Because of the Chinese, the whole world is suffering. I watched a program the other day, Africans are already tormented. They open farms there and the local population who traded suffer only losses. European clothing manufacturers go bankrupt. In general, one sentence can not be described! On the count and only on the count of them am am am
                  SOUL AND HEART I am for Russia, which will be RIGHT in this dispute !!!! I am for the truth. I am for the right conversation !!! The Chinese are wrong !!!!
                  1. urchik
                    +6
                    August 16 2012
                    just not the us and the west am . but generally agree
                  2. +3
                    August 16 2012
                    feed the serpent on their head .............. angry but something may be for the better, before the face of the yellow threat there should be consolidation around Russia
                    1. Hon
                      0
                      August 17 2012
                      And if consolidation arises against Russia around China?
                  3. Hon
                    +4
                    August 17 2012
                    The trade turnover between China and the USA is 400 billion. $. With all the differences, they are partners, so they are more likely to unite against us!
                    1. Ataturk
                      +2
                      August 17 2012
                      Quote: Hon
                      The trade turnover between China and the USA is 400 billion. $. With all the differences, they are partners, so they are more likely to unite against us!


                      You are a plus. I have been saying this for a long time. The Chinese are neither friends nor allies. You are right.
                  4. saper
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    ON THE NUMBER OF THEM AND IN THE MOST RIGID FORM

                    how cruel are you wassat
                    you probably stopped giving sheep laughing
                  5. +2
                    July 30 2014
                    Why do they need nuclear weapons? Imagine the situation: for some reason, the Chinese decided to go to the North, to Russia. If 1 million Chinese people cross the border per day, then they will go for 5 years. Why do they need nuclear weapons?
                2. Hon
                  0
                  August 17 2012
                  And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?
                  1. Vanek
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: Hon

                    And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?


                    You are strange.
                  2. Ataturk
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: Hon
                    And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?


                    Do not underestimate them
                3. 0
                  April 1 2020
                  Quote: recitatorus
                  Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate.

                  In no case. We must come to them with a counter proposal, mildly demanding, on the transfer by China of 170 hectares to us. land close to these 17 hectares. How to motivate? Yes, just spit. Find old men whose fathers have hunted and grazed sheep for centuries. Let the Chinas prove that this is not so.
              2. Odinplys
                -2
                August 16 2012
                nycsson [/ b
                == Yeah! The answer is worthy of a moderator! ==


                a question ... worthy of a provocateur ... with Maikfall syndrome ....
                1. +2
                  August 16 2012
                  [quote = OdinPlys] question ... worthy of a provocateur ...
                  Well, in that case, take the trouble to explain what kind of provocation on my part ?! Or am I asking the wrong question?
                  [quote = OdinPlys] with Maykfol's syndrome .... [/ quote]
                  But from now on, please read more. Are you a psychologist? And what is this syndrome? laughing
            2. +8
              August 16 2012
              An ingenious decision would be to declare this "controversial" area a test site and just start bombing it a little ... Not often - 1-2 times a month! And then let them build something there, graze the rams, carry hashish ...
              1. from Kiev
                +1
                August 16 2012
                Witty? -Doubtedly. They tell us a couple of lines in the news, and we destroy our supplies, burn fuel, motor resources.
                1. +1
                  August 16 2012
                  Destroy supplies, burn fuel and motor resources - it is called to develop skills in handling equipment and improve your experience! Just what is missing! And there are so many old ammunition that you can fill up all of China, and not just one landfill! it’s better to dispose of them in this way, in order to benefit!
                  1. ViPChe
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    Mountain Altai - almost all in the conservation area. In addition to the Chinese, we will make priests in the face of all sorts of green-yellow -... etc. smile Realities about the landfill are very ghostly. dealt with these issues in three regions. .... Hnya!
          2. +4
            August 16 2012
            Than? For example, you can stop the supply of aircraft engines, after which the Chinese aircraft industry will quietly die.
            1. +18
              August 16 2012
              Quote: Varnaga
              For example, you can stop the supply of aircraft engines, after which the Chinese aircraft industry will quietly die.

              Are we going to stock these engines or will they be giving out wages to the workers? I don’t know how the Chinese aircraft industry, but our factory will definitely die! laughing This is not an option! The border needs to be equipped, fortified areas created, as it was before! When everyone was falling apart, they didn’t think with their heads! Everyone in the army is trying to save! Until saved, called!
              I had a teacher at a military school, he was the head of the auto service of some Transbaikal Air Force army during the Daman crisis! So, he told me that on a combat alert, only in this army could 1500 combat aircraft be raised! And now we have so much for all the Air Force can’t get together with transport, etc. And what were the fortifications along the entire border ?! request request request
              1. +11
                August 16 2012
                Of course, he will die, especially taking into account the rearmament until 2020.
                Everyone in the army is trying to save!

                Specific examples
                I had a teacher at a military school

                I also have a second cousin of my granddaughter.
                only in this army could they raise 1500 combat aircraft!

                What `s next? Concrete examples of the capabilities of the Chinese army.
                (in aviation: 420 people (including 000 in air defense), about 220000 bp Aircraft and helicopter fleet: 4 N-000, 40 N-5 (Tu-110), 6 Q- 16, 300 J-5 (MiG-2), 500 J-6 (MiG-19), 700 J-7, 21 J-180 (Su-8), 65 Su-11MKK (not included in the combat train), 27 HZ-40 (Il-30, 40 JZ-5, 2 VAeTrident-100 E -6E, 18 Il-1, 2 Il-25, 14 Il-2, 18 Tu-15M, 76 Y-17 (An-154 ), 250 Y-5 (An-2 and -40), 7 Y-24 (An-26), 68Y-8, 12Y-15, 11 HY-8, 12 AS-6, 6 Bell 6, 332 Mi- 4, 214 Z-30 (Mi-8), 100 Z-5 (SA-4N).
                Question: what 1500 fighting our planes? Why, if even now the Chinese Air Force is a pretty pathetic sight?
                Well, for now, purely for thought, a map of China's railways.
                Threat for engines the option about which I wrote is really being considered, the first if that will be D-30KP.
                1. recitatorus
                  +12
                  August 16 2012
                  Varnaga,
                  Do you propose to help Uyghuria become an independent state? .. good
                  1. +9
                    August 16 2012
                    and at the same time regain independence to Tibet
                    1. Ataturk
                      +4
                      August 16 2012
                      Quote: hert

                      and at the same time regain independence to Tibet


                      For one, we will return sympathy among Buddhists and India :) and Taiwan in the CSTO))))))
                      1. +2
                        August 16 2012
                        ] Varnaga [
                        Continuation ......
                        2. This is the elimination of the rear in the RF Armed Forces! The army used to be like an independent organism within a state! Whatever happened to our state, the army could exist for about a year in the absence of any injections in the form of weapons, ammunition, military equipment, food, clothing, etc. only people were needed! Mobile reserves. Now we have switched to this outsourcing! The rear, warehouses were liquidated, and the worst thing is that they destroyed the mobilization component of our armed forces! The troops provide some strange civil organizations!
                        And yet, the most important thing in the troops is mobilization readiness! And the units of constant combat readiness are needed only in order to meet the enemy at the front line of our Motherland, to gain time, until the general mobilization has passed and the combat coordination of the units and units has been completed!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        You, my friend, think in terms of the Second World War, no one is going to fight conventional weapons with the Chinese, what are we developing and producing nuclear weapons for? This is the question of the armies.

                        Well no! That you do not understand clearly! Chernobyl jerked, the whole of Europe did not seem enough .......
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Next, what are 3 million? Source to the studio.

                        I agree with that! Looked at the sources. They have an army about the same as ours and the US in numbers!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Do you know what resources are needed for their at least logistical support "to provide"?

                        Big ones! For our millionth army, they are also needed, but who will provide them is not clear!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Do you know what TVD is on both banks of the Amur?

                        I can only imagine .......... What I know for sure is clearly not enough of ours there ............
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.

                        I kind of answered all your questions .....
                      2. Stefano
                        +1
                        August 17 2012
                        Uiguria and Tibet will no longer be independent. China already about 5 years ago carried out the state. the program of the population of this region simply they took and diluted the local population of 10 mil. simple Chinese that's all.
                  2. Hon
                    +2
                    August 17 2012
                    And the Chinese will begin to diligently help Tatarstan and the Caucasian republics in gaining independence! Who will be hurt?
                2. +1
                  August 16 2012
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Of course, he will die, especially taking into account the rearmament until 2020.

                  Until 2020, you still have to live! I just meant that a refusal to supply them with engines is a minus to our factory! An extra order, it’s not superfluous, agree!
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Specific examples

                  The reform of our army is a concrete example for you!
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  I also have a second cousin of my granddaughter.

                  Do not fall into childhood! Let's be more serious ........
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Question: What are our 1500 combat aircraft?

                  Answer: ordinary, who fly, gain dominance in the air, and still bomb everything ........

                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Why, if even now the Chinese Air Force is a pretty pathetic sight?

                  What nonsense! Are you serious? And actually, what does the Chinese Air Force have to do with it when it comes to their army as a whole, and there are 3 million in it! Do you know how much they can put under arms?
                  1. +4
                    August 16 2012
                    The reform of our army is a concrete example for you!

                    Another blahblah, more specifically. How many for example do we now have full-alert brigades before and after the reform?
                    Answer: ordinary, who fly, gain dominance in the air, and still bomb everything ........

                    So your teacher sang it to you?
                    What nonsense! Are you serious? And actually, what does the Chinese Air Force have to do with it when it comes to their army as a whole, and there are 3 million in it! Do you know how much they can put under arms?

                    You, my friend, think in terms of the Second World War, no one is going to fight conventional weapons with the Chinese, what are we developing and producing nuclear weapons for? This is the question of armies.
                    Next, what are 3 million? Source to the studio.
                    Do you know how much they can put under arms?

                    Do you know what resources are needed for their at least logistical support "to provide"?
                    Do you know what TVD is on both banks of the Amur?
                    Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.
                    1. 0
                      August 16 2012
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.

                      I will answer all your questions, but a little later! forced to break off!
                      1. Sergh
                        0
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: nycsson
                        but a little later! forced to break off!

                        Oh, Nixon picking Google, already Internet hangs! And it’s better to go out and consult the first Chinese about their army ...
                      2. +1
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: Sergh
                        Oh, Nixon picks Google

                        Not in Google but in Yandex.
                        Quote: Sergh
                        already Internet hangs!

                        Do not fantasize ...........
                        Quote: Sergh
                        And it’s better to go out and consult the first Chinese about their army ...

                        Not acceptable........
                    2. +5
                      August 16 2012
                      Respected Varnaga! Undoubtedly, you are right in many ways.

                      Quote: Varnaga
                      no one is going to fight with the Chinese with conventional weapons, why are we developing and producing nuclear weapons?


                      Only about the "new" war. Even in recent history there was not a single example of the use of nuclear weapons in local wars (there is no need to take the Japanese-American conflict, not that example).
                      With the development of such a local conflict, the issue of the use of nuclear weapons will be very difficult. For where to gouge? On the territory of the conflict? Those. including in their own way. Or immediately in Beijing?
                      The question, I think, will be just ARCH. Apparently this is what our narrow-eyed brothers are counting on.
                      In my opinion, you just need to do the fortified areas. And, deploy advanced units in close proximity to a possible theater. I think that such actions will cool the hot caps of our neighbors. Because they will know the seriousness of our intentions.
                      And, now they reason logically. As long as there is no demarcation of the border, there are no cover troops within reach. Why not get it then?
                      Purely IMHO!
                      1. admiral
                        +4
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: sancho
                        Or immediately in Beijing?

                        And where else? .. And not only. There are too many of them to fight by conventional methods. And our slanted brothers should clearly understand that they will not get off Damansky. Otherwise, such provocations will become endless. What will they come up with tomorrow?
                      2. +1
                        August 16 2012
                        well, so they celebrate the victory, they grabbed the land once, and suddenly it works out ....... it’s time for blocking the sources of Siberian rivers and we should make a claim to them.
                      3. +1
                        August 16 2012
                        Thank you for your opinion, I will express my opinion.
                        You think in vain that no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, all these points are clearly stipulated and spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation. Moreover, there are many options for the development of events, from cooling hot heads with zero consequences for them, to the destruction of a "potential" enemy.
                        In my opinion, you just need to do the fortified areas.

                        And again, substitute them, like large formations under TNW.
                        Again, my pure IMHO.
                      4. +1
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        You think in vain that no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, all these points are clearly stipulated and spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation.

                        As long as there is at least the slightest option for a retaliatory strike, not a single country will dare to strike the NSR! To neutralize such a response from the Russian Federation, we are surrounded by a missile defense system, both on land and at sea!

                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Moreover, there are many options for the development of events, from cooling hot heads with zero consequences for them, to the destruction of a "potential" enemy.

                        Share information ...........
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        And again, substitute them, like large formations under TNW.

                        I fundamentally disagree! Who will attack using nuclear weapons ???
                      5. ole
                        ole
                        0
                        August 16 2012
                        nycsson,
                        [quote = nycsson] I fundamentally disagree! Who will attack with the use of nuclear weapons ??? [/ quot 100% well done.
                      6. 0
                        August 19 2012
                        To neutralize this response from the Russian Federation, we are surrounded by a missile defense system, both on land and at sea

                        On the land? Here is a video from the respected Dankomm about "land"
                        SM3
                        About the "sea". I have already repeatedly written about the R-30 SLBM OUT ("Bulova"), the parameters of its OUT make it practically impossible to intercept it, there are a number of reasons, one of them
                        Zircon-S
                        will work including on AEGIS.
                        Who will attack using nuclear weapons?

                        Really who? The rhetorical question, hehe. For example, the British, analyzing the possibilities of breaking through the Mannerheim line, came to the conclusion that it is impossible to overcome it without using nuclear weapons, now ask yourself the question: who will refuse to use it, having such a tidy goal and while preserving a lot of resources, both human and material ?
                      7. +3
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: sancho
                        With the development of such a local conflict, the issue of the use of nuclear weapons will be very difficult. For where to gouge? On the territory of the conflict? Those. including in their own way. Or immediately in Beijing?

                        Well, yes, YOU created, but they still haven’t learned to fuck. In terms of the number of tactical acts of the Russian Federation in first place in the world. Everyone is afraid of their applications. Tyazy and is a deterrent because they can even hammer 152 mm howitzer and higher. Pindocs with us are still so kind because They know that we have PITs, there are a lot of them, and we won’t bring them under any reductions. And on their application, a breakthrough to La Mnsh was developed during Soviet times. By the way, not a single fortified area will save against the use of tyaz. This is money down the drain.
                      8. +3
                        August 16 2012
                        Just keep in mind that nuclear weapons are a double-edged sword. And this stick is not only with you, but also with the enemy.
                      9. Cosmonaut
                        0
                        August 16 2012
                        Not difficult. In places of the enemy’s concentration. TNW is not such a powerful weapon.
                      10. 0
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: sancho
                        And, now they reason logically. As long as there is no demarcation of the border, there are no cover troops within reach. Why not get it then?

                        I agree! The fortified areas there are needed so that no stupid initiatives arise!
                    3. +7
                      August 16 2012
                      Varnaga- you respected yourself, what do you think you are carrying? Let's start with the TNW-PRC did not sign (especially not destroy) the BRMD and tactical charges (thanks to one awesome leader with a birthmark, we no longer have one) from China to the Urals and the shell will fly. It’s just idiocy to frighten a neighbor with a nuclear club: after exchanging greetings with TNW, will you live somewhere else, or are you on the same plane of survival with cockroaches and rats? they are no longer from fanEra, even if she does not have a large resource - it’s enough to get to us and shoot a damn well, they don’t have anything to do with a slingshot either; Stop throwing hats for nearly 41 years and it’s time to include a thought. it’s necessary to quietly calmly without personal involvement (but qualitatively) restore the fortified districts and begin to evict the Chinese from Russia. When I work in the Far East I saw firsthand the amount of *** and it becomes sad - another ten years and the problem of the Far East will disappear by itself.
                      1. +6
                        August 16 2012
                        By TNW, well, and China's SNF.
                        Approximately the number of warheads in the Russian Federation is ~ 10000, in China, in aggregate with ICBMs ~ 400. Of them:
                        -DF-31A (APU) - 12 units, response potential at the "Temp-2C" level, single-headed.
                        -DF-5A (ICBM silos) -20 units, reciprocal potential, impact OM-zero, preparation time for launch ~ 1 hour, lack of normal SPRIAU.
                        -1 submarine type 092, never on combat duty.
                        -2 submarines of type 094 without RC (which will be based on -DF-31, smoke the story of the creation of P-30).
                        These are ICBMs that, for obvious reasons, will not work in the Russian Federation (USA).
                        BRDS.
                        ~ 300 pcs + work in Vietnam, India, Japan, Taiwan, etc. The response potential is also low, accuracy afflicts, etc.
                        or are you on the same plane of survival with cockroaches and rats?

                        What's the problem? You do not confuse the times when the United States and we had 30000 warheads. Here, check out the respected OperTak article.
                        The last argument of kings
                        restore fortified areas

                        And, imitating the Chinese with their own hands to create the most delicious target for nuclear weapons? Archistrategic, I bet 5.
                        Threat For the quick-eyed warning, smoke the rules of the site.
                      2. +1
                        August 16 2012
                        Varnaga, the whole problem is not just how many there are, but 3-4 is enough for a 50-70 year old piece of the Motherland to become a desert and will not add joy to the rest of the population (without this the number of cancers goes off scale) The Chinese will not use the first nuclear weapons ( why do they need a lifeless desert) so that they will have to storm the fortified areas with simple weapons (this is archystrotegically accounted for) the use of heavy equipment in the distant and Transbaikalia is a real problem (I tested it on my own; the hills rose only on winches on the slopes even more interesting - gray hair only increased ) and against the infantry, good pillboxes and minefields + automatic fortifications (look at the firing points of the Motovilikhinsky factory) is a very serious thing, you’ll not only be able to pull up the nearest units, but also to drive pensioners from beyond the Urals on foot. It turns out a stalemate situation - war for the sake of war - will cool any hotheads. At the expense of the rules I repent - I was wrong
                      3. 0
                        August 19 2012
                        and the fact that 3-4 is enough for a 50-70 year old piece of the Motherland to become a desert

                        Who told you that? Don't you confuse "cobalt" warheads, which ours can easily use in Chinese cities with "conventional" ones?
                        It turns out a stalemate situation - war for the sake of war - will cool any hotheads.

                        Exactly, nobody needs this, neither we, nor China, for him a war with a state such as Russia is an automatic transition to the Stone Age.
                      4. -1
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Roughly the number of warheads in the Russian Federation ~ 10000

                        Russia inferior to the United States in the number of deployed nuclear warheads Forum
                        10.04.2012, 07:00 "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - www.rg.ru
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                        Russia now has 1492 deployed nuclear warheads, the United States - 1737.

                        Such information is contained in the next certificate on the implementation of the Russian-American Treaty on Measures to Further Reduce and Limit Strategic Offensive Arms (the new START), ITAR-TASS reports.

                        At the same time, Moscow is currently armed with 494 operational deployed nuclear warhead carriers, including intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), heavy bombers (TB) and ballistic missiles in submarines (SLBMs). The United States has 812 such carriers now.

                        In addition, in general there are 881 deployed and non-deployed launchers of ICBMs and SLBMs, as well as high-explosive ballistic missiles in Russia, and 1040 in the USA.

                        The information in the certificate is given as of March 1, 2012. It reflects the statistics officially provided by the parties to each other.

                        Earlier it was reported that Moscow and Washington last week for the first time exchanged telemetric information as part of the implementation of the new START.
                      5. 0
                        August 19 2012
                        Actually, I talked about nuclear weapons, it is not subject to accounting, reductions, negotiations, etc. Do not confuse with strategic nuclear forces, although everything is not transparent there, for example, recurrent potential, hehe.
                    4. -3
                      August 16 2012
                      You understand that TNW is an extreme case. The Chinese also have it. And if a rocket flies on one side, on the other it flies too. Nuclear weapons - it is an extreme. And the Chinese understand this very well. Therefore, they will have to fight with weapons as usual
                      1. Ataturk
                        +1
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You understand that TNW is an extreme case.


                        Is there an extreme of the fact that you want to chop off your mother’s homeland? An invasion of the homeland, an invasion of the mother and must be punished very harshly and cruelly!
                      2. -1
                        August 16 2012
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You understand that TNW is an extreme case. The Chinese also have it. And if a rocket flies on one side, on the other it flies too

                        In China, tactical missiles - no more than 250 in the Russian Federation more than 10 pieces, well, where can they compete? ON ICBMs the same parsley. But they are afraid of Tyazovs - it’s mobile, secretive and suddenly, precisely and terribly painful ...
                      3. 0
                        August 17 2012
                        Quote: segamegament
                        In China, TYAZOV - no more than 250; in Russia, more than 10 000 pieces, well, where should they compete?

                        Yes, not 10000, but 1492! I posted the article above ........ I get the impression that the people here have no idea what a vigorous bomb is and what consequences there will be from its use! Some kind of kindergarten .........
                      4. REPA1963
                        0
                        August 18 2012
                        NESAD and nursery judging by the bombing.
                      5. +1
                        August 19 2012
                        Some kind of kindergarten .........

                        That's it, learn the materiel, do not disgrace.
                      6. 0
                        August 20 2012
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I get the impression that the people here have no idea what a vigorous bomb is and what consequences there will be from its use! Some kind of kindergarten .........


                        "... The Western media are circulating data that the United States has significantly less tactical nuclear warheads than Russia. The United States allegedly has 1200, of which 500 are on alert. 200 of the latter are deployed in Europe. Russia, according to unofficial data, and there were no others, there are 5400 such warheads, two thousand of which are in a state of combat readiness ... "Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad" Atomic ram of the twentieth century "" Veche "2005 onwards.

                        nycsson you are funny. Kindergarten is to write about "atomic bombs" while not distinguishing the number of Tactical nuclear charges - TYZ from Strategic nuclear charges - SNZ. Do not disgrace the schoolboy, finish your studies, go homebrew smart guy ...
                      7. 0
                        August 17 2012
                        Do you understand that what they have is enough to cover all the main cities?
                      8. 77bor1973
                        +3
                        August 16 2012
                        You at least take a look at the theater, it’s mountains and therefore the use of heavy equipment is limited, there is almost no roads, low population density! Only mountain parts and local indigenous people will be able to fight there.
                      9. Cosmonaut
                        0
                        August 16 2012
                        TNW is not an extreme case.
                    5. -1
                      August 16 2012
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      Another blahblah, more specifically.

                      I could say the same about you! But I will limit myself to the following: I express my personal opinion. I do not impose him on anyone, but uphold, according to my views and beliefs. Let us respect each other, even if our views are directly opposite.
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      How many for example do we now have full-alert brigades before and after the reform?

                      Well, before the reform, if you do not know, we had a divisional structure! If you believe the first channel, then the teams made 96! These are all: tank, motorized rifle, special, etc.
                      Now about the reform! I will only give an example of the most obvious shortcomings that directly affect the defense capability of our country! I will only express my opinion!
                      1. This is a lifetime! To date, all units equipped with conscripted soldiers are practically not combat-ready! For a year a soldier cannot be taught to shoot from a tank, to control it, especially in conditions close to combat! This is what I’m talking about the ground forces, and if you take the fleet, it’s even worse there!
                      Everything did not fit ........ The ending above .....
                      1. +1
                        August 19 2012
                        How many for example do we have brigades now full alert before the reform and after?

                        Well, before the reform, if you do not know, we had a divisional structure!

                        What structure?
                        This is a lifetime!

                        The acquaintance returned from service, the anti-sabotage unit, Cap. Yar. For a year, they trained so that Mom did not cry, every day training, exercises, shooting, marching throws, etc. Bad, huh? Is it better to paint borders and make cubes of snow, as with General Eagles earlier?
                    6. Hon
                      0
                      August 17 2012
                      Our generals then took one of the Grozny landing regiments! We will deal with China with two landing regiments.
                  2. Cosmonaut
                    +1
                    August 16 2012
                    Do you know how much we can put under arms? The Chinese are militarily weak, the technology is not important, the people who use it are important.
              2. 0
                August 16 2012
                The most important fortifications we should have in the Kremlin, the demands of the PRC stating our weakness and dependence on the PRC of Russia need to be strong and independent economically and financially. By the military way we will only achieve ourselves by ruining. But how to defend our own if we are petitioners from China? it is possible that China acts with the approval of the SGA in pursuit of its goals.
              3. 0
                August 16 2012
                Quote: nycsson
                in this army could raise 1500 combat aircraft!


                I agree with you! How many parts disbanded .... Su ... ki! There for many kilometers only border guards stand. Naked border areas nowhere else to go. If something happens, while we pull the troops there, they will all plant cucumbers with cabbage there ..... am
                1. Sergh
                  +7
                  August 16 2012
                  Quote: sancho
                  they are already there all cucumbers with cabbage all planted .....

                  Don’t be afraid, peasants, under Novosib, we put all their cucumbers under the plow, and narrow-eyed kicked them out, absolutely! We do not respect the Chinese, so what then, they surrender tightly to us, we will roll into the asphalt.
            2. Hon
              0
              August 17 2012
              And pindets to our aircraft industry without export orders. And also the Chinas will file a lawsuit in international arbitration and sue the shitty penalty. To evil mom frostbitten ears)))
          3. +8
            August 16 2012
            Quote: nycsson
            And how are you going to "water" them,


            Matyukami

            Of the seven military districts of China, the most powerful are the districts with headquarters in Beijing and Shenyang adjacent to the border with the Russian Federation (the first is oriented to the Siberian Military District of the RF Armed Forces, the second to the Far East). These districts account for 4 of 9 tank and 6 of 9 mechanized divisions, 6 of 12 tank brigades of the PLA ground forces. Another 2 armored divisions and 1 brigade are part of the district with headquarters in Lanzhou (occupies the western part of the country, oriented to Central Asia, Mongolia and Siberia west of Lake Baikal), and 1 armored, 1 mechanized divisions, 2 armored and the only mechanized in the PLA brigades are part of the Jinan District, which is located in the center of the country and is a strategic reserve for the Beijing, Shenyang, Lanzhou and Nanjing districts.

            In particular, the 38th Army of the Beijing Military District is a training ground for practicing new organizational measures and ways to use new types of military equipment. The artillery in this army is fully automated, it is still inferior in accuracy to the American, but has already surpassed the Russian one. Armored forces are being updated quickly, the rate of their offensive according to the experience of exercises is higher than in the RF Armed Forces. In particular, the 38th Army includes the fully automated 6th Panzer Division, equipped with Toure 96 tanks. The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day). Finally, the same army includes the 4th anti-aircraft missile brigade, the most modern formation of the Chinese military air defense (includes, in particular, the Tor air defense division).
            About 10 thousand main tanks are in service with the SPLAA (450 Tur 90II, 1200 Tur 96, 200 Tur 98, 400 Tur 88S, 500 Tur 88B, 1000 Tur 80, 500 Tur 79, 200 Tur 69, 5500 Tur 59) and 2 thousand lungs (1200 Toure 62, 800 Toure 63). Modern tanks include the Toure 90II, Toure 96 and Toure 98 tanks, the latter being considered to be almost as good as the best Western tanks (M1A2, Leopard-2A6). All three of these types of tanks are armed with a 125 mm cannon, similar to the one installed on Russian tanks (starting with the T-64A).
            About the same can be said about the PLA artillery (up to 15 thousand guns, including 1200 self-propelled guns, up to 10 thousand mortars, up to 4 thousand MLRS). In China, very significant attention is paid to rocket artillery, the power of which the Chinese experienced on themselves during the second battle for Damansky Island. Here, a number of heavy MLRS (Toure 83, A-100, WM-80, WS-1) caliber from 273 to 320 mm. Only the American MLRS and the Russian Smerch can compare with them in terms of firepower.
            1. +1
              August 16 2012
              Quote: Vadivak
              Matyukami

              Well, if so, then "I agree"! laughing laughing laughing
              I’ll try to find information about the Chinese army .......
            2. yak69
              +5
              August 16 2012
              In a word, the conclusion is as follows: if in the war with China every day 1 units of manpower are destroyed, then in a year 000 will be destroyed !! And this is without a break for lunch and precursors. As a result, 000 people will remain.
              And this is provided that they will not resist. And when they begin to move quickly in small groups, 5 each, we will all have a little tight.
              Here, about the prospects we have with them ......
              laughing
            3. Cosmonaut
              0
              August 16 2012
              And now what? In the pants to impose or run away? Their strength is only in the amount of human resources and that’s it.
              1. Hon
                0
                August 17 2012
                In terms of armament, they are not inferior to us (except for aviation). In economic terms, they are many times stronger than us. And they don’t have a stool !!! But we will not fight because there is nuclear weapons, in addition, cooperation is much more important than 17 GA. The Chinese can go the other way, using the corruption of our power to get these lands without a fight.
                1. 0
                  August 17 2012
                  They do not have time for a long journey. Strong impatient.
                  They have nuclear weapons, and it does not serve as a guarantee that there will be no war - Damansky, remember, a test of the pen, so to speak. Or Indo-Chinese territorial conflicts.
                  1. REPA1963
                    0
                    August 18 2012
                    It is better to recall the Great Ussuriysk.
            4. curious
              +1
              August 17 2012
              Vadivak
              and therefore the question arises: why is China creating such a force grouping in the Russian direction?
          4. +1
            August 16 2012
            we will always find what to water neighing neighbors
          5. -1
            August 16 2012
            put together a bunch of people like you, and merge them through the fence .... non-Russian earhook
          6. 0
            August 20 2012
            In fact, one 58th army calmed the glorious Georgia exactly 4 years ago. In my memory, China was hitting Vietnam, from which it sharply cut in full and calmed down for several decades. Let me remind you Taman ...
            You, as children, chesslovo ...
        2. Kaa
          +6
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that near the states they nest their bases

          It is necessary for the Chinese to hint that Alaska is our former patrimony, here there are concessions both possible and desirable. Or a former Fort Ross in California ...
          1. +1
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Kaa
            The Chinese need to hint that Alaska is our former patrimony,


            Yeah, sell debt to a collection agency
            1. Kaa
              0
              August 16 2012
              Quote: Vadivak
              sell debt to a collection agency

              I remember the good old Soviet times: The economy should be economical. It will be possible for the "collectors" "Mistrals to help ... in transporting a couple of million settlers ... In the end, they have our former" Varyag "for" ice reconnaissance ". soldier
          2. Hon
            0
            August 17 2012
            Are you completely fucked up, that the USA has done you a bad thing, that you are setting it up like that?
        3. +2
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy! "

          Russia has one ally left - that is nuclear weapons.
          1. ViPChe
            0
            August 17 2012
            It is like a baldness pill, nuclear weapons! Hair still falls out! Nuclear weapons, according to all concepts, is suicide and therefore can not be a panacea for a mentally normal organism!
        4. 0
          August 16 2012
          Are you laughing Their border is not with the States, but with Russia. And there are many more territorial claims against Russia than are voiced now
        5. +1
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that near the states they nest their bases ...

          esaul, I also do not mind that they build bases only to be far away from us, otherwise they are already tired of them already in the Amur Region.
        6. +1
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy


          and strategic missile forces
        7. 16 REGION
          +1
          November 9, 2012
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that they nest their bases near the states ... Then those will have less headaches for our "unrighteous life"! True, this is a double-edged sword - it is not the first time for minke whales to block with those who can pile them on the very tomatoes. So here, too, a kind of alliance is possible. So the words - "Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy are the indisputable truth for centuries for us!"

          golden words army and navy, there were no other friends and certainly will not be!
      2. Ataturk
        +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: piratehnik
        Our narrow-eyed friends warmed themselves up, and that’s them. Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.


        They don’t need it! So many countries around China. And they will not save Syria. Maybe Iran will be saved due to the fact that oil. This is max. And they don’t need the USA. There, their Chinese sea. They are already a splinter there.
        1. 0
          August 16 2012
          The Gobbi desert is approaching, so it moves them to relocation. And it is possible to climb only to Russia and Mongolia.
      3. 0
        August 16 2012
        pirate technician:
        At the borders of America, let them build their bases and let them jump over with them! They wouldn’t meddle with us, but for this we need to strengthen the border militarily!
      4. 0
        August 17 2012
        Yes, America then let them build their bases, but let them not come to us. stop
      5. 16 REGION
        0
        November 9, 2012
        pirate technician,
        FROM THE USA BORDERS WILL NOT BE BASED AS MUCH MUTUAL SYMPATHY FRIENDS TO FRIENDS BASED ON GOODS TURNOVER
    2. +7
      August 16 2012
      A sobering shower? And they gave 340 km to them, what is it?
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Committee
        And 340 km was given to them, is that

        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?


        Now, if you worked hard and looked for the answer yourself, and did not ask how Zhvanetsky through the viewing slot - "Dap, Dap ...?" and did not multiply your question on the branch, you would have seen that this action was the fulfillment of the agreements laid down and reached by very patriotic leaders back in the USSR. It's just that for a long time in Russia, China had no one to negotiate with regarding the implementation of the agreements reached earlier.
        To make your work easier for you, I give a link (one of many)

        http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/1016662/

        Well, in order for you - in scrap --------

        By the 1991 year, as a result of negotiations lasting from the 1969 year on the territorial issue, the parties finally managed to come to a compromise. The key to it was a concession on our part - the USSR, at its departure, agreed to cross the border with China along the fairway of the Amur and Ussuri. As a result, 90% of the eastern part of the border with China was agreed and on 16 on May 1991 in Moscow, representatives of the USSR and China signed a border agreement, which was confirmed in 1996 by an agreement between the Russian Federation and China -------------

        In the 2005 year, this arrangement simply received a residence permit De jure
        1. +8
          August 16 2012
          Nooo, I'm not in scrap. And I do not care about agreements if they involve the rejection of our territories in favor of other states. No "patriotic" "considerations" can justify the transfer of our land to foreigners. Therefore, I repeat the question WHO SPECIFICALLY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT according to which 340 square kilometers of OUR land was transferred to the Chinese?
          1. +2
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Committee
            Therefore, I repeat the question. WHO SPECIFICALLY SIGNED A CONTRACT according to which the 340 square kilometers of OUR land went to the Chinese?

            May I answer? If I’m not mistaken, I will give DAMS to the Chinese, and I don’t remember exactly the Norwegians' GDP or vice versa!
        2. +2
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          You would see that this action was the implementation of the agreements laid down and reached by very patriotic leaders back in the USSR.

          It's funny! And the current "leaders" lack their own political will, do you think it turns out !? Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???
          1. +4
            August 16 2012
            Quote: nycsson
            Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???

            Absolutely correctly posed question. No verbal agreements have legal force until they are executed in the form of relevant documents. Mikhail Gorbachev, in words, also promised a lot of things. And the Americans and NATO ... AND WHAT? So, no matter how much Mr. ESAUL does not try to whitewash our leaders, the responsibility lies with those who legally formalized and signed all this, as they say. And here are the facts on the face.
          2. Ataturk
            +4
            August 16 2012
            In no case even a handful of land to the Chinese. Who are they to give them anything? At least once in something or something, to make a concession to them, then pi-pez. They are one of those when you hold out your finger, they will tear off your hand. The limits of greed in such persons do not exist. You just have to hit in the face to understand who is who. No dialogue. They are not ashamed to speak their pretensions, YOU ARE NOT ashamed to hit their faces.
            What a hello, such an answer. We slept and woke up. Earth wanted. I really hope that the answer will be HARD from Russia.
            Never on land matters need dialogue. Immediately give a HARD response. To discourage the future. Better yet, PRESENT the Chinese their claim to the earth. Northern part of CHINA.

            How I hate those who sleep, sleep, and abruptly wake up saying my land is from a stranger.
            The Chinese must be beaten. NO DIALOGUE. They still won’t understand!
            1. Gemar
              +3
              August 16 2012
              Quote: Ataturk
              No dialogue

              The only right decision! At the highest level, demand an end to the provocation, otherwise explain to them that we will no longer support them on the issues of Taiwan and other "disputed" territories. They did not support the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And also, to support Japan and India on the issue of "disputed" territories with China. Call everything an ultimatum! In the light of recent events, an outpost must be quickly set up there. Otherwise, in the evening we will go to bed, in the morning we will wake up - and there they have already rebuilt a city with 3000 jaundice. Then they cannot be squeezed out without stirring up the conflict.
            2. +1
              August 16 2012
              and Kyrgyzstan is an example of this, they grabbed 30.000 hectares of land .......
            3. 0
              August 17 2012
              Ataturk Well, send there the Azerbaijani international special forces. After your arrival at the pilot, the Hero of Russia does not believe in the sincerity of your wise advice. Maybe in his native country something useful to do. Give out helpful tips.
          3. +8
            August 16 2012
            Quote: nycsson
            Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???


            Good question, the answer floats on the surface

            Kemska volost? Take away the state does not impoverish
            1. +2
              August 16 2012
              Quote: Vadivak
              Good question, the answer floats on the surface

              For me personally, the answer has long been obvious! It is a pity that not for everyone ........
    3. John
      0
      August 16 2012
      That our Altaians of the Chinese for these 17 hectares will be bitten)))
      1. spender
        +11
        August 16 2012
        It's time to remember the song "We don't want a stranger's land, but we won't give up our top too !!!", give us a finger, bite off to the elbow !!! Under no circumstances can you make concessions, strengthen the border presence and strengthen the border regime, dugouts will be dug out of these devils, our village will say we have been living here for a thousand years. That's when UAVs are needed for control, and we have a lag in them request
        1. +8
          August 16 2012
          Quote: spender
          strengthen border presence and strengthen border regime,

          Hi Alexey, the absence of transitions and border control is not the basis. In Primorye there are places where there aren’t any border guards, you don’t understand anything without jeeps on whose territory you are. China needs a reason for some of its goals.
          1. spender
            +8
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In Primorye there are places where there aren’t any border guards, you don’t understand anything without jeeps on whose territory you are. China needs a reason for some of its goals.

            Sanya did you see their tactics? On the controversial island, a village was built and its declared belay So here, too, there will be a quiet expansion, they have a lot of people, whatever territory you want to "master". It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and to set up border posts in disputed places, at a distance from the border, so as not to provoke, but taking into account that they control the territory and prevent "self-seizure" and unauthorized construction. To create a testing ground for testing SZO (multiple launch rocket systems) and conduct "exercises" on a regular basis (Damansky, they must remember)
            1. +4
              August 16 2012
              Quote: spender
              It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and set up border posts

              Alexei, maybe in the supply of an excessive number of outposts we lose. I was in February in Blagoveshchensk in the early 2000s. From our side, border guards don’t let people go on ice, and with Kitaiiska up to the fairway Chinese fishermen are strewn. Border guards from our defend the border better than from the Chinese. A Russian peasant came and set up a hut and the Chinese would not move there anymore, you could get a shovel.
              1. spender
                +6
                August 16 2012
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Border guards from our defend the border better than from the Chinese.

                Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times "God forbid, we will provoke an international scandal!"
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                A Russian peasant came and set up a hut and the Chinese would not move there anymore, you could get a shovel.

                We have few people smile Everyone in large cities settles, who will live in the taiga request
                1. +7
                  August 16 2012
                  Quote: spender
                  who will go to the taiga

                  And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house. I was in taiga, there really are places from which the breath and trout are breathtaking, you can almost catch hands. We fished for a female earring wassat
                  1. spender
                    +2
                    August 16 2012
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house. I was in taiga, there really are places from which the breath and trout are breathtaking, you can almost catch hands. We fished for a female earring

                    Don't confuse "underground" from the tax authorities with the settlement of the territory, these are slightly different concepts wink
                  2. +5
                    August 16 2012
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house.


                    It is useless, in the territory of our Motherland there are minerals everywhere, it is not difficult to extract and sell which Sasha will find you and put you next or a drilling or dig a quarry, and at best they will ask you to free the territory
                    1. Darn
                      0
                      August 16 2012
                      Hello Vadim
                      It is useless, in the territory of our Motherland there are minerals everywhere, it is not difficult to extract and sell which Sasha will find you and put you next or a drilling or dig a quarry, and at best they will ask you to free the territory

                      But there are many abandoned villages, towers will definitely not come there to set up
                2. +3
                  August 16 2012
                  Quote: spender
                  Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times


                  So in the leadership all the former communists
                3. +1
                  August 16 2012
                  Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times “God forbid, we will provoke an international scandal!” I do not quite agree with this, the Makanchinsky detachment served in 86-88, 300 meters on our territory was an excuse to beat the face, and they often beat me. well, they also guarded from their own
            2. +5
              August 16 2012
              Quote: spender
              San, have you seen their tactics? They built a settlement on the disputed island and declared it to be their own. So there will be a quiet expansion, they have a lot of people, whatever territory you want, they will "master". It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and to set up border posts in disputed places, at a distance from the border, so as not to provoke, but taking into account that they control the territory and prevent "self-seizure" and unauthorized construction. To create a testing ground for testing SZO (multiple launch rocket systems) and conduct "exercises" on a regular basis (Damansky, they must remember)


              Greetings from hi souls you Alexey and you hi Alexander looking at your avatars in the neighborhood just wants to say how they complement each other. laughing
              In name and content I will be extremely brief and I will answer with a good Russian proverb, it’s just in place

              APPETITE COMES WITH EATING!

              only give free rein to the Chinese ........
      2. general-oberst
        +1
        August 16 2012
        Woke up. It’s necessary to adapt the screensaver there these days, and then run into narrow-eyed ones. You say that they got fucked up, you didn’t see anything in your own clicks, as we are standing here from time immemorial and will stand. am
      3. 0
        August 16 2012
        Than? The bees? Sarcasm....
    4. with
      +8
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul
      A sobering shower is required for our Chinese friends
    5. 0
      August 16 2012
      about 340 square kilometers of "disputed" territories.
      laughing Do not put a finger in their mouth, they will bite them off their elbows! Well, we laughed at that time in full, and why not try again this time !? laughing There are simply no words ...........
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Committee
        And 340 km was given to them, what is it?

        Quote: nycsson
        about 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories


        Repeat these words 338 times, it may feel better ...
        1. +4
          August 16 2012
          Quote: esaul
          Repeat these words 338 times, it may feel better ...

          If it gets better, it won't get better ... And the job has already been done. The territory was given away. I just now remember the times when they just started talking about this gift and there was no reliable information. Wow, how then the supporters of the authorities "fiddled", arguing that this could not be, in principle, and such a decision would put an end to Putin's political career. Delivered? Wash yourself guys - you are no stranger to it. Or to remind about how the "demarcation measures" with the Scandinavians ended for Russia?
          1. +4
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Ribwort
            Wow, how then the supporters of the authorities "fiddled", arguing that this could not be, in principle, and such a decision would put an end to Putin's political career. Delivered? Wash yourself guys - you are no stranger to it. Or to remind about how the "demarcation measures" with the Scandinavians ended for Russia?

            Yes, there are a lot of such examples! You are only a plus! Yours faithfully! "Derbanat" us from all sides, taking advantage of our weakness! am
            Quote: Ribwort
            Wash yourself guys - you don’t get used to it.

            That's for sure! As soon as they wash themselves, they begin to inflate again: Hurray, we will tear them all if that! Long live the GDP! Long live EdRo! Ugh ......! I have no words! fool
      2. with
        0
        August 17 2012
        Quote: nycsson
        about 340 square kilometers of "disputed" territories.

        Gentlemen MODERATORS, please give a decent answer, otherwise I just do not have enough time.
        Sincerely, Sergey. (Not a travel agent)
    6. Ataturk
      +7
      August 16 2012
      Hello my friend.
      I have always said that an ally will never come from the Chinese. They are still so-lo-chi. SHI SHI speak and laugh and shove a knife behind their back. They slowly populate the entire eastern part of Russia. These are still those Chinese. I hate them. When necessary, they turn on DURKU, and they don’t understand how they’re smiling. Although the plan is ready. I said a thousand times, they will still arrange a headache for everyone. I really hope that in Russia there will never be CHAINTAUN. I hate them. Photocopiers. Brains are not enough. My wish to God would have given up all their goods. And not a fig to sell them weapons.

      Hands and feet, I am for Russia. They are terribly cunning ... opy !!!
      1. +7
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Ataturk
        . I really hope that in Russia there will never be CHAINTAUN.

        Hi Omar, if I was in Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese request
        1. spender
          +2
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if I’ve been to Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese

          In Moscow, at the markets, there are also such, but not a single Russian will voluntarily agree to live there, they are the same rooms and warehouses, cockroaches and the smell of fried herring and something else, all look the same, it is not possible to distinguish documents, they pass documents to each other and cannot be proved. At one time, I did it in such "cesspools" ... laughing
        2. Ataturk
          +3
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Omar, if I was in Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese


          This is Russia? If so, on the number of them. DIPPED SOON? LOST FEAR? HOW DOES THIS RUSSIAN M pancake on the ground can't go wherever pleasing? ON THE NUMBER OF CHINESE. Not enough of their land? It was not enough to multiply! They say that flattery is not decent in someone else’s pocket, but I’m honest, I really support Russia in this topic. Russia has directed its gaze to other problems, and there the Chinese are already populating the east.
          1. Gemar
            +3
            August 16 2012
            It is urgent to withdraw from the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles. The United States declares that, by analogy with missile defense, our missiles pose no danger to anyone.
            CHINESE - EARTH'S PARASITES.
            I was in Guangzhou and neighboring "villages" - Foshan (there is a temple where Bruce Lee practiced, Lee Little Dragon in Chinese, also there is the largest furniture market in the World), Dongguan (forgive them noble ... Chinese women) ... The Chinese proudly call towns of 2-3 MILLION people "villages" there. They understand perfectly well that this is no longer a village, but a city, but they want to emphasize that in ten years from a village of 100-200 thousand, a city with skyscrapers, a metro and an airport grows in China. But, anyway, this city is called a village and they proudly look at you. So, going from Guangzhou to Foshan, skyscrapers, skyscrapers, skyscrapers again ... belay Oops !!! Signboard - Foshan! belay How? And where are the distances between cities? Where's the green stuff? It turns out that one city for 20 million drastically flows into the village from skyscrapers for 2-3 million! Those. there are two skyscrapers nearby, one is listed as Guangzhou, and the other is a Village forgive me ... that is, the other. Between them, a sign - welcoming visitors to cities. There is no forest! There is no water! The metro goes from one city to another! FULL !!!
            Over all of China could. It would be better if our president could ... Give them a decent answer. Namely: bring down ... with your claims. And announced the teachings on the border! Like, there is still gunpowder!
            By the way, DAM allowed jaundices to fly over us. And here is what we got!
          2. +1
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Ataturk
            Not enough of their land?

            The program was recently broadcast by "zomboyaschik" about the Chinese on the Volgograd land. Hard. Those who let them go there must be sent to China themselves, to a battery factory.
          3. +3
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Ataturk
            This is Russia? If so, on the number of them. DIPPED SOON? LOST FEAR? HOW DOES THIS RUSSIAN M pancake on the ground can't go wherever pleasing? ON THE NUMBER OF CHINESE. Not enough of their land? It was not enough to multiply! They say that flattery is not decent in someone else’s pocket, but I’m honest, I really support Russia in this topic. Russia has directed its gaze to other problems, and there the Chinese are already populating the east.


            Your comment, Mr. Azerbaijanian, is a frank mockery and I am very sorry that some members of the forum were led by this ernish, presented as sympathy ...
            Regarding your regrets that Russia has directed its gaze in the wrong direction, I think that the Russian leadership will somehow figure out where to look, not forgetting about the fact that under the peace-loving rhetoric, Azerbaijan is secretly weaving its web (and without any special sympathy for Russia and clearly squeezing Russia out of the region), trying to smooth over the delicate moments that arise between our countries in words, but in fact, in fact, by being involved in the anti-Russian fuss. I say this taking into account all the recent actions of AzR, which is alienating it from Russia. And all these "friendly" curtsies are nothing more than an effort to make this distance as painless as possible for AzR.
            1. Ataturk
              -2
              August 16 2012
              Quote: esaul
              Your comment, Mr. Azerbaijanian, is a frank mockery


              Do you know what your trouble dear? My people and I know perfectly well what it is to lose land, what do you think, what do I feel when I see aggression and especially what, someone wants to chop off someone’s land? And what should I say bravely to China when I have personal connections with Russian citizens, having not only vertical Russian friends but also real ones.

              Quote: esaul
              then, I think, the Russian leadership will somehow figure it out - where should he look

              I hope and hope 2 islands on the Amur was the last gift of the Kremlin for the Chinese.

              Quote: esaul
              that under peace-loving rhetoric, Azerbaijan quietly weaves its web

              This is the right of every INDEPENDENT country!

              Quote: esaul
              and without much sympathy for Russia

              When you write this, I have a feeling that it’s not me, but you are kidding me. Show me 1 example, when Russia experienced at least a gram of sympathy for Azerbaijan, and I will give you 100 examples of how Azerbaijan is very partner-like, NOT WATCHING what the KREMLIN does. So do not do Kremlin angels! Everyone already knows who is who.

              Quote: esaul
              trying to smooth out the delicate moments that arise between our countries in words, but in fact, in fact, joining the anti-Russian fuss.

              Well, yes, Russia also tells us in words your Karabakh, and the UN voted AGAINST the resolution and if you have a conscience and not a lot of justice, tell yourself what you did in our place.

              Quote: esaul
              I say this, taking into account all the recent actions of the ADR, estranging it from Russia.

              And it will not be difficult for you to recall all the anti-Azerbaijani actions of Russia or to list me now.

              Valery, NEVER ASK FOR WHAT YOU DO NOT GIVE.
              This is friendly advice to you. God is not a fraer, he sees everything. Everyone will get what they deserve! Believe me!!!!
          4. with
            +1
            August 17 2012
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      2. with
        +1
        August 17 2012
        http://pesnifilm.ru/load/ne_bojsja_ja_s_toboj/quot_ne_bojsja_ja_s_toboj_quot_kak



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        HEY .
        Look and puppies (in the sense, those who are trying to fight) let them see !!!
        And learn to respect ALL of us !!!!!! hi
    7. gas
      gas
      -3
      August 16 2012
      Pss))) And what do you want to sober them up? How many want so much and take! Do not forget that the entire Far East is already awash with the Chinese.
      1. recitatorus
        +5
        August 16 2012
        gas,
        Would the will be cleared in an instant! .. I even know how! ..
      2. Ataturk
        +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: gaz
        Do not forget that the entire Far East is already awash with the Chinese.


        It is urgent to make amendments for the Chinese in the migration service.
        Land in Siberia, the contracts with the Chinese for the fact that they chop Taigu annul. They will know how to make a sound about the earth. All the Chinese guest performers back to China.

        I have always said that Russia should raise its army, HERE FOR THIS DAY I said so. WE ARE NOT ENEMIES OF RUSSIA .... We ate from the same bowl, the love and understanding and friendship of our grandfathers, the foundation of the relationship, was so strong that it was not too late for us to sit down and agree. Enemies are not we to each other, but the USA and CHINA.
        1. from Kiev
          +3
          August 16 2012
          Yes, you, dear Ataturk, may not be the enemy, but your government is a great friend of our enemies. And you are either naive or Troll, which in no way decorates you on this forum.
          1. Ataturk
            +10
            August 16 2012
            Quote: from Kiev
            Yes, you, dear Ataturk, may not be the enemy, but your government is a great friend of our enemies.


            I never considered the Russian people to be the enemy of the Azerbaijanis. Too many bonds bind us to think so.

            Quote: from Kiev
            And you are either naive or Troll, which in no way decorates you on this forum.

            Before writing this nonsense, CAREFULLY look at your flag. When your government sent air defense in Georgia to bomb Russian planes, then who are you? Who are you after YOUR government OFFICIALLY supported the TRANS-CASPIAN Pipeline? (AGAINST RUSSIA)
            Who are you, when YOUR government gave GOOD to destroy the strategic bombers of TU? When they were CUT, the pilots were crying like babies (ON THE PHOTO SEE THE FLAGS OF UKRAINE AND AMERICAN NEIGHBORING FROM THE AIRPLANE) Although you will not SEE THIS in Azerbaijan.



            Who are you when you supplied arms specifically to the enemies of Russia?
            Who are you, when you, flew to Azerbaijan to buy gas and oil and thereby annoying Moscow. Refusing Russian gas and oil.

            So what are you talking about nonsense dear? What do you think the loser is talking to you?
            I CAN'T tolerate when they are looking for dust in someone else's head and at the same time they do not see their LICE !!!

            So who and what decorates, I think it concerns everyone. Let everything remain on everyone’s conscience.

            AT LEAST, AZERBAIJAN IN NATO WASN’T STRONGED AND DOES NOT STRIKE THAT I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT UKRAINE. OR ALREADY FORGOT?
            1. from Kiev
              +3
              August 16 2012
              Let the flag above my posts do not mislead you.
              My Ukraine is Ukraine from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka. At the same time, you can call this Ukraine Russia, the CIS Union, or something else.
              The general message to you - do not be so hysterical about the territorial claims of China, given the present moment - joint efforts with China to stop the Middle East crisis. At the same time, your nickname is unwittingly connected with the geopolitical interests of Turkey and Azerbaijan, which are in no way connected with the concern for Russia's prosperity. Well, if you want to answer for the position of official Baku on the issue of military cooperation with Russia, NATO, etc., it is interesting to see your comments on Russia's friendly position on the situation in Gabala, with American radars in the Caspian, about joint military planning with Israel. Why is Baku facilitating the penetration into the Caspian region of the military infrastructure of countries that are not traditional here? Again from purely neighborly relations with Russia? You can not answer. The question is rhetorical. In China, I consider the following position to be appropriate - some part of the border territory is really needed - please, but only in exchange for an equally interesting for Russia. In addition, the topic of building a promising gas pipeline through a section of this border did not somehow sound in comments. It is possible that these are not claims, but working drafts for the distribution of areas of responsibility for the technical side of the joint project.
              1. Ataturk
                -3
                August 16 2012
                Quote: from Kiev
                My Ukraine is Ukraine from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka.

                Interesting. Can you repeat this among your nationalists? especially this phrase
                Quote: from Kiev
                call this Ukraine Russia



                Quote: from Kiev
                The general message to you - do not be so hysterical about the territorial claims of China

                My friend lives nearby. Therefore, I have the right to worry about the region where he lives and works and SERVES. Plus there are other factors for my concern.



                Quote: from Kiev
                At the same time, your nickname is unwittingly associated with the geopolitical interests of Turkey and Azerbaijan.

                And whose interests should my country represent? China? Or NATO, like Ukraine?



                Quote: from Kiev
                Your comments on Russia's friendly position on the situation in Gabala


                AND? There is a resort there, we want to preserve our ecology, especially since Russia has a replacement, and by and large we want our country to have only our army, not Turkish, not African, not NATO. Unlike Ukraine, American flags will not stand in Azerbaijan !!!

                Quote: from Kiev
                with American radars in the Caspian

                IIIII? In the Caspian, our wealth is, who sold from him and bought a radar. That’s all, and we have an enemy in the Caspian, thanks to Russia for selling the latest ship missiles, for which we are also happy and ROSOBORONEXPORT, which has received millions and the Russian people who work there, have the opportunity to eat and exist.


                Quote: from Kiev
                In China, I think the following position is appropriate - some part of the border territory is really needed - please


                The Chinese fig walrus and not territory. They are one of those who give a finger and tear off the whole hand.

                I hope you are not offended by my posts. I just hate those who ask for land that doesn’t belong to them, but I don’t know anyone else.
                1. from Kiev
                  +2
                  August 17 2012
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  and we have an enemy in the Caspian

                  The fact of the matter is that your enemies are not the enemies of Russia.
                  I am sure that the multi-vector nature of your country's foreign policy will come out sideways. Even in Ukraine, this did not go to good use both from the West and from the East. That look will burst in half. And Azerbaijan will be a smaller caliber and will not be able to play these games for a long time. And all of your ostentatious demonstration of the self-worth of the common Soviet past looks like a smoke screen for the vanguard operations of the West. Glad to be mistaken. And there are no grievances. It’s just that your advice will unite with the United States, and with everyone who has contradictions with the PRC, it is now clearly provocative.
                  1. Ataturk
                    -2
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: from Kiev
                    The fact of the matter is that your enemies are not the enemies of Russia.


                    who knows dear who knows. Now is a difficult time, brother brother sticks a knife in the back. Who yesterday ate one more plate, today is the enemy. By God I do not want to raise this issue, but believe me, who knows, he knows who is who.

                    Quote: from Kiev
                    This did not go to Ukraine in Ukraine either from the West or from the East.

                    I hope that peace will come in Ukraine.

                    Quote: from Kiev
                    It’s just that your advice will unite with the United States, and with everyone who has contradictions with the PRC, it is now clearly provocative.


                    Believe me, you are mistaken. History has repeatedly shown that if you don’t give a face in time, then it will be too late.

                    When China presented territorial claims to Russia, Russia transferred almost 400 sq. Km of 2 islands to China. Instead of sending them in 3 letters. RESULT? They want again. Greed is such a thing that there is no depth, no breadth, no limits to greedy appetite. The farther the bigger. Here is the result. They want more land, only this time even more. And you offer mutual interest. What can be mutual interests with greedy people? You don’t need to communicate with such people, or send or beat!

                    This is my personal opinion.
        2. with
          +1
          August 17 2012
          Just in case !!!!!! http: //topwar.ru/templates/rnns/bbcodes/c.gif
          How we lived fighting and not fearing death
          So now you and me live
          In heavenly heaven and mountain silence
          In the sea wave and in fierce fire.
          How we lived fighting and not fearing death
          So now you and me live
          In heavenly heaven and mountain silence
          In the sea wave and in fierce fire
          And in a furious, and in a furious fire.
      3. with
        +2
        August 17 2012
        Quote: gaz
        The Far East is already awash with the Chinese.

        Fuck you concrete !!!!
        Today I spoke with D.V. and people said "DON'T HAVE THE BLAST".
    8. +7
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!


      Since it’s greyhound it means they’re allowed, in Damansk it’s been tough for a long time and it’s not a greyhound
      1. +1
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Vadivak
        Since it’s greyhound it means they’re allowed, in Damansk it’s been tough for a long time and it’s not a greyhound

        That's for sure! And now give something and nothing!
    9. urchik
      +3
      August 16 2012
      Let China present a better claim to the United States for tearing off the Hawaiian Islands.
      1. Ataturk
        +1
        August 16 2012
        Quote: urchik
        Let China present a better claim to the United States for tearing off the Hawaiian Islands.


        All that I wanted to tell, you can look at this video clip.

        1. from Kiev
          +8
          August 16 2012
          Somehow a very interesting time was chosen by foreign guardians of Russian interests to run into China. China is a difficult partner, but he is a partner. I hope no one is in doubt about this.
          17 hectares is a piece of just over 400x400 meters. It seems to be not much, but if it is so important for China, and to exclude negative perceptions in Russia, an equivalent exchange must be made. Let's just say to a part of the island of Tarabarov. At the same time, annoying explanations of Atatürk’s love for Russia and a sharp negative for Russia’s ally in the Middle East region are very annoying. Ataturk, of course, the interests of Turkey are closer to you. But the interests of Turkey go in the wake of the interests of the Anglo-Saxons and therefore, really, one should not rely heavily on the serious support of anti-Chinese propaganda in the Russian Internet environment. At least for now. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
          1. +1
            August 16 2012
            from Kiev,

            Vadim, I welcome you, colleague! The comment is thorough and deep. My respect to you is a plus.
            1. from Kiev
              0
              August 16 2012
              Glad to mutual understanding.
        2. 0
          August 16 2012
          1. someone really wants to quarrel us
          2. while there is israel S.P.S. and England, someone really wants to quarrel us :)


          and you know why China will never attack Russia? - Yes, because there will be no Russia and China, they are not made with a finger and are well aware of their place in the world.
        3. +2
          August 16 2012
          Stupid video with unsubstantiated statements, very much in the subject today I read an article on CNews "Photos help to believe in lies"

          [http://rnd.cnews.ru/liberal_arts/news/line/index_science.shtml?2012/08/15/49954
          2]
    10. танк
      +2
      August 16 2012
      They even send America wherever they go, but our land has received enormous blood for our ancestors, here you are right to take serious measures, otherwise they will be stolen by hectares, only Moscow will remain
    11. 0
      August 16 2012
      Do not you want to arrange it, a shower in the sense.
    12. +7
      August 16 2012
      And almost a year ago I already said that in the end we will fight with China, and not with the USA, the Americans are writhing and afraid there, they are trying to destabilize the situation with our money, plus they are overseas, and China is here at our side, they don’t have a fleet to transfer troops, for that there’s a dime a dozen infantry, and here’s a tidbit next to it, carts of land and a small cart, also uninhabited, so I personally fear war with China, and the Americans are so busy in Africa and give god still years xnumx transported at such a pace.
      1. with
        0
        August 17 2012
        Quote: Joker
        And almost a year ago I already said that in the end we will fight with China, and not with the United States,

        Sorry, but you are an ALARMIST!))) hi
        http://topwar.ru/17703-alarmistov-zakazyvali.html#comment-id-520837
      2. with
        0
        August 17 2012
        Ha ha ha ha let me answer you tomorrow.
        By the way, I really like the word curb, as well as the word bullshit !!! drinks
        Oleg, you can write in a personal, but I’ll tell you right away that for my 44 years, I was not afraid of anyone and now, I AM NOT AFRAID!
        And your cons, keep yourself !!!! bully
    13. Alx1miK
      +1
      August 16 2012
      China is not an independent country, it will creep out into the world powers in the next 20 years. "17th year of the primordially long-eyed land" Interestingly ... then I will ask you to return Ukraine, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, the Kars region in Turkey, Moldova, Transnistria, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan , Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, the territory of Poland to Warsaw, Finland, the Aleustky Islands, Hawaii, Alaska, California. "Primordially Russian lands".
    14. +6
      August 16 2012
      The article accumulates tension of recent years and especially of the last days in this direction, but what RUSSIAN not keep silent on this subject, then still alive in us soul RUSSIAN, and as long as we are NOT VICTORY !!!

      In the article, I highlighted one key paragraph in my opinion:

      It means that it is time for Russia to make it clear once and for all to any state in this world, no matter how friendly and loyal it may seem, that the territory of the country cannot under any circumstances be subject to interstate bargaining.


      It seems to me ours CHIEF COMMANDER this is exactly what adheres to (AND THANKS ALREADY THANKSsince we still have literal "YESTERDAY" and other examples of EBN were beaten), perhaps it would be appropriate here, without waiting for any bilateral Altai commissions, to send him a very specific (without unnecessary publicity and emotions, as he knows how - by phone tete-a-tete) their GENSEK that they say TSHOPPING TIME HARVEST BEGINNING FROM ALASKA AND BY THE 90s ENDED - this is dogma and that’s it. Then why is fishing in troubled waters ??? And if it starts to interfere with our joint big fishing ??? No, if you can’t do anything, they say the soul is so Chinese, then you can’t remove your complaints, but we put them in a basket with the Japanese islands and continue to live and love each other, but we kind of forget about it ...

      Well, somehow it seems to me that it will happen behind the curtain, well, and we will all draw conclusions for ourselves if something leaks out on this topic, AND DON’T EXPERIENCE WHILE RUSICHI, The morning is wiser than the evening...

      Lastly, forgive me, Sergei Alexandrovich Yesenin, let me adapt my GREAT poem to the situation:

      ..................................... If the Altai army shouts: ........ ...............................
      ..................................... "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!" ... ................................
      ..................................... then I will tell China, ........ .......................................
      ..................................... Fuck you my homeland. "....... ...................................


      Yes, but about threatening something to China, you need to forbid them to sing -
      ..................................... Not even rustles are heard in the garden, ...... ............................
      ..................................... Everything here froze until the morning ........ ....................................
      ..................................... If you knew how dear to me ..... ............................
      .....................................Moscow Nights........... .........................................


      PS Good luck to everyone !!! THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE cannot be restored by distributing one meter of its land, HE knows this.
    15. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      And lately they’re not shy.
    16. +1
      August 16 2012
      Just send them ... "to the therapist"! About how they sent the states!
    17. +1
      August 16 2012
      esaul:
      China will continue to greet if measures are not taken from the Russian side! If we compare the military potential of northern Chinese and eastern Russian, then their logic will become clear. In the east of our country, a divisional structure should be preserved!
    18. Starksa
      0
      August 16 2012
      the same shower as in 1969, otherwise they probably forgot how we kicked their ass
    19. Neutral
      -3
      August 16 2012
      Since morning

      compare with the source

      and don't understand
      "laugh or cry"
    20. minister
      0
      August 16 2012
      showers in the form of nuclear warheads, and the next day will be like cucumbers, all green and pimples laughing
    21. Mikula
      +8
      August 16 2012
      esaul -China is just starting to openly greet!


      There has recently been an article on the slamming of China America regarding claims against foreign lands. Oh, how China was praised. And for my assumption that China and Russia can throw the same tricks on me, they suggested they put me in the cons by Mom herself. And now, not a week has passed before the slender ranks of the patriots angrily stomp China and distribute pluses to each other. I thought that adequate chatters came across here, but apparently I was mistaken. Yes, you can not bother yourself with the minuses, I'm retiring.
    22. 0
      August 16 2012
      Yes, because Nehera was BB to give unilaterally to China disputed territories
      appetite comes with eating
    23. +2
      August 16 2012
      No need to get excited.

      Obviously, China is still probing the situation. The author is absolutely right:

      As history shows, any territorial indulgence in relation to a neighboring state, no matter how modest it is (indulgence), always becomes a precedent. The meaning of this is approximately the following: today you gave us 17 ha, tomorrow we will ask you for 25, and the day after tomorrow it will be possible to talk about more impressive areas. Concessions made once will lead to new and new territorial requirements.

      So we demarcated the border with China, trumpeted that there were no more problems forever ... (b / u Pres Medvedev?) Aha, shchazzz! "Great China" is again probing whether Russia is weak there? Nothing wrong. A good kick, like Damansky (now peacefully given to the Chinese), is sobering! While watching ...
      By the way, the Yaposhi and the Kurils are also trying to take it "weakly". Just give it up, they'll roll your lip to Sakhalin.
    24. 0
      August 16 2012
      esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      And what did you want? They began to give up their lands - so it went and went. Even the swindler Georges Miloslavsky did not go to it and the tsar pulled back: "You can't get enough of any volosts that way." And we were silent for the most part.
    25. slas
      0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul
      There the states almost sent letters for three letters.

      Well, through Tikhiy, you can certainly send it, especially when in the rear * friendly * Russia * and the mongrels of Amerikov Toko squeal
    26. 0
      August 16 2012
      How much can we come across the same rake? What serious reasons did we have for believing that the Chinese would not make us territorial claims? I just wrote the other day about it — how I looked into the water!
    27. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting

      Interesting, interesting ... They are about about. Daman already forgotten? angry
    28. lotus04
      +1
      August 17 2012
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!



      Yes, they now have territorial claims will extend to the black sea. They are not stupid, they monitor the media. And there, in black and white, about how they scared the whole world with their "economic miracle. So they use the moment. In fact, there is no miracle. It's just the way it was with us in the 30s of the last century. Not a word in The media about the negative, immediately shooting, only a breakthrough positive. And the Americans can easily deal with them, cut off all their exports and end the Chinese miracle. We ask everyone to go to the rice fields. And the territories will not be needed right away. They will start fighting with the sparrows again.
    29. Hon
      +3
      August 17 2012
      And how do you plan to sober up a country in which the army is twice as large as ours in number, and the mobilization resource is 600 million people? Moreover, the economy is much stronger than ours.
    30. saper
      +2
      August 17 2012
      no, just the Chinese are aware of who is at the helm in our country and how he easily distributes land. about. Svalbard is a prime example
    31. +1
      August 18 2012
      For this, they become strong so that the neighbors respect and listen to your opinion. The weak are destined to whine in the gateway
    32. azone
      0
      August 22 2012
      The maintenance of such an army is simply not profitable in their own country, and since they already have a peak in the development of the army, sooner or later they will have to put such forces somewhere. He calculated that for one offensive of the Chinese army deep into eastern Russia it would be critically huge, equal to two German blitzkriegs in vm2.
  2. Knowing
    +9
    August 16 2012
    China does not treat all countries delicately; they do not have a single country with a friendly attitude towards them.
    1. snek
      +7
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Knowing
      there is no country with a friendly attitude towards them.

      Love comes and goes, but national interests remain. And the Chinese are focused on them. It would not be bad for us to learn from them.
      1. Galina
        +1
        August 16 2012
        Quote: snek
        It would not be bad for us to learn from them.

        especially in terms of reproduction of the population, because this is the real reason for the claims.
        Or find a way to democratically reduce their numbers.
    2. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Knowing
      China does not treat all countries delicately; they do not have a single country with a friendly attitude towards them.

      The rhino is big. But its size is not its problem. This is what is worth starting from.
  3. +11
    August 16 2012
    Yes, in no case should you give up the territory.
    Here is a good reason - to take this issue under control, and after six months to check - what has been done, how is it done, by whom is it done?
    And write a collective letter about squandering land.
    For some reason, it seems to me that our Fallen-soaked in all sorts of ... districts and other territories - they won’t fight for territories at all. Take the path of least resistance.
    I would like to make a mistake.
    ...
    And I’ll definitely take note of this problem.
    Greedy, damn it, thorns.
    1. +3
      August 16 2012
      340 km given away. WHO?
      1. +3
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?

        Guess two times! laughing laughing laughing
      2. 0
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?

        Not otherwise, the communists are to blame or the machinations of "orangeism" ... lol
        1. +1
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Ribwort
          Not otherwise, the communists are to blame or the machinations of "orangeism" ...

          laughing laughing laughing He was just on the moon, and then suddenly fell! laughing laughing laughing
      3. +3
        August 16 2012
        In 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, drawing the border along the Amur fairway and opening it in favor of China, thus two islands with one movement of the Nobel handshake pen. Two islands ended up on the Chinese side of the shipping lane.
        Now the border was no longer passing along the water line from the Chinese side, as it was drawn in red pencil on a white map by the more worthy predecessor of Humpback, Count Muravyov-Amursky and along the channel of the Amur River. And sooner or later, the Chinese would have demanded their own - for good reason.

        Note - not Putin traveled the islands in 2005, but Gorbachev in 1991. I think so, he simply didn’t distinguish between such a forwer and such a boundary by cut, the main thing for him was to start the process.

        As for Putin, he bargained from Khudzintao at least part of the Greater Ussuriysk. The Chinese, I repeat, had every right to the whole island on the basis of papers signed by Gorbachev.

        http://du-bel.livejournal.com/84171.html вот тут хорошо рассказано местным жителем.
        1. Ataturk
          +15
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Chuck-Norris
          In 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, drawing the border along the Amur fairway and opening it in favor of China, thus two islands with one movement of the Nobel handshake pen. Two islands ended up on the Chinese side of the shipping lane.


          But Gorbachev must be judged and necessary. I am sure the charges will be the sea! Necessarily necessary. Svoloch, such a country heaped up. All quarreled.
          ON THE NUMBER OF GORBACHEV

          1. from Kiev
            +2
            August 16 2012
            In this, I agree 100%.
            I wonder who knows Gorbachev now where?
            Does he only celebrate anniversaries in London or does he live permanently?
          2. +1
            August 16 2012
            Quote: Ataturk
            But Gorbachev must be judged and necessary. I am sure the charges will be the sea! Necessarily necessary. Svoloch, such a country heaped up. All quarreled.
            ON THE NUMBER OF GORBACHEV

            One can only hope that this bastard will live to see this .........!
        2. from Kiev
          +2
          August 16 2012
          poked in the wrong way - annihilated +1. Sorry.
          Infa correct and timely. Unfortunately, the itch of instant transformation among the people is not eradicated. At the same time, people are easily led to the cries of fat trolls: Down with, .. for how long ... etc. All this is sad.
    2. +2
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Igarr
      Here is a good reason - to take this issue under control, and after six months to check - what has been done, how is it done, by whom is it done?

      I agree! I fully support! Took control!
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        I join)
  4. Svistoplyaskov
    0
    August 16 2012
    I wrote here more than once
    Which neighbor is our pi-time
    Would rather give the order
    Squint at the squinted
    Chapaz!
  5. pribolt
    0
    August 16 2012
    Surprising arrogance of cross-eyed
  6. +10
    August 16 2012
    and this is just the beginning. I am afraid that our government will give these territories.
    1. +4
      August 16 2012
      340 square kilometers for some reason, because they gave it away!
  7. Svistoplyaskov
    +5
    August 16 2012
    That they still have not reached their apogee in development!
    And what will happen next.
    Or did they value Syria’s support of 17 hectares?
    1. Svistoplyaskov
      0
      August 16 2012
      It is necessary to quickly adopt the new T-99 tank for the hardware:
      1. Ataturk
        +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Whistling
        It is necessary to quickly adopt the new T-99 tank for the hardware:


        In huge quantities. Like good old times. So that no one's life seemed raspberry.

        SOMETHING IN THIS KIND am

      2. 0
        August 16 2012
        What is this miracle?
        1. Ataturk
          +4
          August 16 2012
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          What is this miracle?


          These are the muscles of the USSR Both the number of muscles and the quality of muscles!

    2. -5
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Whistling
      Or did they value Syria’s support of 17 hectares?

      Of course! Why not? Chinese youth, we must pay tribute to them ......
      1. Sergh
        +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: nycsson
        we must pay tribute to them ......

        ... Well, give it back, only yours ... and it’s better to take it yourself.
        1. 0
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Sergh
          ... Well, give it back, only yours ... and it’s better to take it yourself.

          Again, you turn everything upside down! But not youth? It remains only to be happy for them! For some 20-30 years, they have become world leaders from a poor country! And it is a fact! And we have the opposite! And this is also a fact!
  8. general-oberst
    +9
    August 16 2012
    Claw clawed, the whole bird abyss. No need to be like this bird, but hand by hand. The Chinese borzometer rolls over. The Chinese need to make their claims on the territory. What kind of compliance is incomprehensible? am
  9. +11
    August 16 2012
    If our government decides to give someone else even an inch of Russian territory, then the government and the party in power should (and must) be perceived as anti-people and anti-Russian, and I propose to relocate such government and the party of government together with the government house to 10 in one of the regional centers of Magadan years without the right to correspondence.
    1. Denzel13
      +7
      August 16 2012
      10 years for squandering land will not be enough. Remember the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession" - "... what are you doing the tsar's face?" Why don't we make a claim for Port Arthur or Harbin in this case?
    2. +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      If Our government decides to give someone else even an inch of Russian territory, then the government and the party in power should (and must) be perceived as anti-people and anti-Russian
      So after all, ALREADY given a lot! Then the question is for you: why, in order to draw a similar conclusion regarding the authorities, do you need ANOTHER precedent? And what prevents to do it now?
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Ribwort
        So after all, ALREADY given a lot! Then the question is for you: why, in order to draw a similar conclusion regarding the authorities, do you need ANOTHER precedent? And what prevents to do it now?

        It will be interesting to read the answer! I look forward to it!
    3. +1
      August 16 2012
      Not in Magadan, but to develop the disputed territory.
    4. cat-hipopotamus
      0
      August 16 2012
      I agree completely, but the term is better for life !!!!
  10. bachast
    +9
    August 16 2012
    And no harm to the environment

    1. snek
      +3
      August 16 2012
      UH, "military secret" is burning as always.
      "a bomb has been created, which is several times more powerful than a nuclear one," and this is already in the first seconds of the material.
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        it’s necessary to apply it to a variety of weapons, otherwise it’s just exhibition material
        1. +2
          August 16 2012
          Let me. I have enough determination.
    2. 0
      August 17 2012
      Amers already have one and they called it "mom of all the bombs". Ours built a more powerful one and decided to humor about it and named it"DAD OF ALL BOMBS"... the hint I hope is clear? wink
  11. +4
    August 16 2012
    something the Chinese simultaneously want to swell in different directions. no matter how overstrained. they need to open their eyes wider so that their mouth closes
  12. +5
    August 16 2012
    In 2005, an agreement was signed on the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border, according to which Russia transferred to China, no less, about 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories.
    Something I did not understand? !! What ***? !! What is this?! WHO gave? !!!
    1. Sergeev
      +9
      August 16 2012
      Putin who else. In 2005, in my opinion, he was at the helm.
  13. +6
    August 16 2012
    I demand Dalniy and Port Arthur! Give me away !!!
    1. -4
      August 16 2012
      Dear China, Korea should not be confused (is everything good with Geography?)
  14. Gocha kurashvili
    -14
    August 16 2012
    17 hectares is not the land for which spears break. With us, come on a km away from the road, you will see hundreds of hectares of abandoned fertile land. It is clear that my dear, but you should not beat the muzzle for these snot. I think that there are just some topographic overlays. Will sort it out. China, although a borzoi, is not so stupid.
    1. general-oberst
      +5
      August 16 2012
      Are you crap or something? This land, like so, that a kilometer from the road - OUR !!! We don’t need a stranger, but we won’t give up our span. Her hands had not yet reached. The time will come and the descendants will still thank us.
      1. Gocha kurashvili
        0
        August 26 2012
        You then see your nose, wise guy ??? Have you been far
        ? Probably not leaving your village ???? I didn’t pass the cows with you; you should not poke a stranger. Have you ever seen a topographic map? In addition, the mountainous terrain ... A little thing, for such tomboys as you. And for Okhla, they were beating us in the Oryol region in the face ... So, poke a heroic man at your point with your finger ..
    2. +1
      August 16 2012
      It’s not about the land here, it’s more cunning ... they cannot be given to them, but they count on it ... they need the very fact of the disputed lands ...
      1. +4
        August 16 2012
        Quote: viruskvartirus

        It’s not about the land, it’s more cunning ...

        And who did not think that this was such a maneuver? China now threw claims in a circle, threw it to us, and so that it didn’t seem aggressive, it was limited to 17 hectares, like we have all the claims, even to Russia ... China does not urgently need to resolve this issue and did not take the irreconcilable top-level position like Japan. Who told you that this land is generally needed by China as land? Moreover, why did you decide that this claim, and not the routine work of demarcating the border, did you use what sources to find out what is the essence of the issue? Now, when China makes this claim at the highest level, then we’ll break the spears with foam at the mouth, and now don’t inflate the anti-China ... I’m tired of repeating this, they want to quarrel with us, this is visible with the naked eye, it’s beneficial primarily to the states, be smarter. There is nothing to spit with poison for now. Let's look at the source for a start, what is it about.
    3. +1
      August 16 2012
      China - as a neighbor in a communal apartment - it’s not possible to live nearby and there is no way to move. Are you Gocha just a fool or a nonsense (though it’s not clear what’s worse)
      1. Gocha kurashvili
        0
        August 26 2012
        Apparently you are a stupid person ... You didn’t call you a fool. And as for the article, there is no official information ... Half of the articles on this site are fried ... It’s difficult to distinguish 17 hectares on the topographic map of the mountainous area, this depends on the thickness of the marker of the person who is drawing. I know the topographer himself. And worst of all, you cheers, and haters .....
  15. +5
    August 16 2012
    If only to read once that Russia has chopped off a piece of land for itself from someone, you will wait for figs, but the opposite has become the norm. Have seen enough there at the helm of the films "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession" as a guide to action. Damn weaklings, do not disgrace yourself by squandering the earth, so do not spoil the authority of the gulkin's nose like that.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: koksalek
      ... so the authority of Gulkin’s nose so do not smash his taxis

      About the authority of power, you ask the Neighbor or who he is now ... A heating engineer, it seems. Here he will tell you in detail.
      1. +1
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Ribwort
        You ask the neighbor about the authority of power or who he is now ...

        And in my opinion "specialist"! laughing
  16. +3
    August 16 2012
    Lord Chinese. Especially for you super special offer:
    North America is ready to become the province of Tan-Man-America.
    If watering occurs right now, then you will receive Western Europe, Israel and, possibly, Georgia as a gift. Bargaining is appropriate.
    The action is valid indefinitely, but it is better to hurry.
    Do not lose!
    1. snek
      +1
      August 16 2012
      And why should they sail to America when there is the Far East under the nose, where population density is comparable to some deserts and continues to fall.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      0
      August 16 2012
      Europe does not need this is our area of ​​interest, and the states too. But let them take Asia.
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        Alexey
        not this way. Europe must be fed, they themselves have not been able to do anything for a long time, and there are all sorts of psheks, ests and other scum ololo the Baltic Sea.
        and Asians can work. And under the strict guidance, so generally "from the janitor to space"
  17. ZKBM-BUT
    +6
    August 16 2012
    we must also treat all countries that have laid eyes on our territory and put forward a demand to give us "primordially Russian territories." say a third of China and a third of Japan. and it doesn't matter that it all looks stupid. the main thing is to step systematically in this direction, to proclaim holidays of the territories of interest to us in Russia, to draw the border on our maps as we only see it. and with clever facial expressions make claims to them. say nonsense, obsurd? no, this is the international practice of developed countries.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      I agree. It would be nice to have them officially with evidence.
      1. general-oberst
        +1
        August 16 2012
        What other evidence is needed about Alaska? Amers in full, presenting and ringing all international bells, The main thing is to raise a little more noise. good
    2. yak69
      +2
      August 16 2012
      Perfect solution! I fully support and am ready to subscribe to such a letter of advice to our medical centers smile
    3. +2
      August 16 2012
      Quote: ZKBM-BUT
      This is the international practice of developed countries.

      No, it’s the international practice of STRONG and NAGLESS countries! And to act like that, you need to have something behind your back, but we don’t have nichrome there! China will continue to blackmail us, saying that if you don’t give it back, we will side with America on many issues .........
      1. ZKBM-BUT
        0
        August 16 2012
        Of course, this is a practice of the strong and arrogant also stupid. I called them developed only for ridicule. but I don’t agree that there is nothing behind us - we have everything we need. behind us is the truth with reason. And this is the main point. and they will always blackmail us and everyone will. while we have Russia with all its pluses and minuses.
        1. 0
          August 16 2012
          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          also stupid. I called them developed only for ridicule.

          Dumb, dear - these are those who distribute their territory! And they are not stupid, but very smart!
          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          but I don’t agree that there is nothing behind us - we have everything we need


          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          behind us is the truth with reason. And this is the main point.

          Truth! It's ridiculous! Now in the UN and NATO this word is EXPLOSIVE !!! laughing laughing laughing
          And as for the mind - it’s clearly you who have gone too far! laughing laughing laughing We will give up a piece of our territory, so our mind immediately from all the cracks and rushing! laughing laughing laughing
          1. ZKBM-BUT
            0
            August 17 2012
            yes, it’s true that in these organizations, in a place with a conscience, they are curses now. to have a conscience, to be truthful is a shame. only this will inevitably lead to their death. as for the smart ones - in my opinion, the smart one who does not give his own, but also will not creep into someone else's. while we don’t give anything to anyone and there is no reason to panic. but they’ll bury on someone else’s.
  18. yak69
    +4
    August 16 2012
    Well, now, another international gendarme is becoming a homosexual. Amers are not enough for us, and so, now "friends" have formed at our side.
    An amazing thing, well, some can not live peacefully on the planet. It’s a nail in their ass that doesn’t give rest!
    Undoubtedly, these claims will not stop from different sides until Russia begins to "tumble" in full for any inclinations at our expense!
    And meanwhile, our upper ones need to know and apply in politics only two mathematical actions — multiply and add.
    Alas, the "Kremlin" organized crime group does not know this.
    1. +3
      August 16 2012
      Quote: yak69
      And meanwhile, our upper ones need to know and apply in politics only two mathematical actions — multiply and add.

      Unfortunately, they only divide and subtract! For centuries Russian tsars have been collecting our territory, how much Russian blood has been shed, and these eccentrics with the letter "m" distribute it is not clear for what benefits ........!
      Quote: yak69
      Alas, the "Kremlin" organized crime group does not know this.

      Yes they all know! They are not stupid there, they just do not care about our country and our people and our national interests, etc.
      1. yak69
        +4
        August 16 2012
        "" and these eccentrics with the letter "m" it is not clear for what benefits ........! ""

        Well, here everything is clear. And the benefits are known and their amount (approximately). One word - managers! ..
        ..Kremlevsky traders have identified a new paradigm (from the vocabulary of Medvedev)
  19. +2
    August 16 2012
    Finish it! Now in the USA, then in Russia, then in Japan. I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      inter
      You forgot about India. Well, not a weak state
      1. +1
        August 16 2012
        Quote: INTER
        Finish it! Now in the USA, then in Russia, then in Japan. I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.

        INTER - I’ll be more correct to say I hope ...
    2. +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: INTER
      I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.

      inter - it is more correct to say I HOPE ...
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        India is still our ally, which is good. Rather, everything goes to the coalition. But again, everyone has their own interests)
  20. -1
    August 16 2012
    The Chinese people are cunning, give them a finger, they grab a hand to the elbow. there is 340 km, there is 17 hectares, tomorrow there is still a place where they will find where there are no border guards and thorns, they will reach Baikal and then ...
    1. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      and reach Baikal, and even further ...

      On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...
      1. +3
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...

        Give - take, and beat - run! That says it all....... belay
      2. Ataturk
        0
        August 16 2012
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...


        That's just for this they need to give their faces. The situation is already very familiar to me.
      3. from Kiev
        0
        August 17 2012
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some maps made in China, their "primordial" territory is marked right up to the Urals

        And on the reverse of the coins of the communist USSR, a map in the floor of the planet, so what?
  21. +1
    August 16 2012
    Yes, finally you got crazy! But they can be understood - there are a lot of people, and the cat cried a lot of territories for living for such a crowd. So they are bulling right and left, maybe someone will bend. Ours have caved in several times (Damansky, then these 340 km2), why not sue once again on "primordially Chinese lands". Apparently there should be traces of the 2nd stage of the Great Wall of China. But there is a good Russian proverb, "friendship is a meal, and tobacco is apart!" And it must be followed unquestioningly.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      Read about the ghost towns in China and you will understand that they have enough land, they will take it for the future and plus they also have a shortage of fresh water, not just because they change our riverbeds, but they still wanted to get our compatriots.
  22. mar.tira
    +3
    August 16 2012
    Yes, I would not want to live near the Kitaezi. I don’t know what our authorities are thinking, but I’m afraid they will give in as before everywhere they gave in and gave not for a penny. But they got our sailors, with their lawlessness and arrogance. We must support the border guards here. Meet the guests. "friendly" fire, so that they would once and for all forget about the Russian land. Remind them 69 years old, they also wanted to profit at someone else's expense, I was a kid and I saw the consequences of their invasion myself. BABIES !!!!
  23. -4
    August 16 2012
    The surest way to confront China is the mass acceptance of Chinese citizenship by the Primors. Firstly, they will not fight against their own then, and secondly, the massive appearance of Chinese citizens of Russian nationality will quickly undermine the Chinese economy, because they will not work, but will steal and demand freebies.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      Will be. These are the most rabid nationalists. They do not cut off all their nationality very quickly and very quietly and that’s all.
    2. Gemar
      +3
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Romeohihnic
      massive acceptance by citizens of the Chinese citizenship

      Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. How did they destroy "their citizens" during the Olympics? I mean the Uyghurs. The latter are now sitting without work, without business. How was the uprising suppressed in Tibet? The Chinese recognize only the Han nationality 汉 (in fact, the Chinese themselves). I have lived in China for 8 years, now my work is connected with China. They are the real Nazis! Any civilization different in culture from the Han is considered barbaric, the lowest in terms of development.
      Do you know that the Chinese have FIVE cardinal points? North, South, West, East and ... MID. So China in their own way sounds like 中国 Zhonguo - Zhongguo. Go is a state, according to theirs. Joon is just the middle! I mean, the Middle State, your mother ... Around some low-developed semi-barbarians. Every Chinese believes in this sacredly!
  24. +7
    August 16 2012
    In no case give land - it is obvious that the Chinese are checking whether Russia is ready to defend their territories - today 17, tomorrow 170 and so on - OUR LAND AND MUST STAY OUR! If the government decides to give the land it will simply be a betrayal of their country!
    The point here is not in the amount of saying only 17 km - but in the fact of the transfer of land, do not give up anything!
    1. cat-hipopotamus
      +3
      August 16 2012
      I agree, having given once a little, in the future we will lose EVERYTHING !!!
  25. +4
    August 16 2012
    Even if the territory is not given away, the "question" may remain suspended for many decades. Why not file a claim in response? Then the "question of the disputed territories" will be released on the brakes "to mutual satisfaction."
    1. +2
      August 16 2012
      good That's right!
      It is also necessary to demand from them some territories. And then, I’m watching how they shared the earth with them, they entered the taste.
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        I agree - for example, Fort Arthur, which was originally a Russian fortress !!
  26. vylvyn
    +2
    August 16 2012
    What a cool photo! Anyone will like such beauty. And there is such honey! Along the way, the Chinese wanted to scoop up a freebie like an Altai honey.
  27. +4
    August 16 2012
    Have you tried to send?

    Apparently 17 hectares will save China.
    1. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: vorobey
      Have you tried to send?

      Try to go! They throw their hats.
      Quote: vorobey
      Apparently 17 hectares will save China.

      This is for our "leaders" 17 hectares are not of interest, or rather how much they were given, 340 or 270, and for the Chinese even a square meter to chop off is a joy and victory!
      1. +5
        August 16 2012
        Quote: nycsson
        Try to go! They throw their hats

        Well, caps we will find application.

        Quote: nycsson
        This is for our "leaders" 17 hectares are not of interest, or rather how much they were given, 340 or 270, and for the Chinese to chop off at least a square meter is a joy and victory

        I don’t understand ours at all. could the bears feed the voiced claim? Places there are deaf, and that's all. And so every time. Voiced pritenziyu- lost.
        1. +3
          August 16 2012
          Good decision.
          I would continue it ...
          Someone decided - to make a claim ... lost.
          Although half of China may be lost, it will be easier for them later.
          Huh?
  28. +1
    August 16 2012
    they are selected, bastards, round the lake to Baikal-they want to water rice with clean water
  29. logic
    +2
    August 16 2012
    Quote: general-oberst
    make their claims to the Chinese on the territory. What kind of compliance is incomprehensible?

    I support halfway up to the "Chinese" wall, which was built to protect against the Chinese
  30. general-oberst
    +3
    August 16 2012
    During the new government, the land and water borders of Russia only decrease. Part of the Barents Sea prosrali Norwegians. The Chinese are 340 km square in the Far East. Who is next to water and earth? Shame !!! am
  31. cat-hipopotamus
    +2
    August 16 2012
    Yeah, China is completely impudent, it is clear that the muscles have increased and even an excess of the male population (as in other population in general). I do not think that our leadership is so stupid as to give the requested territory, for having given this piece then we will have to give all of Siberia and the Far East. Territorial rudeness must be answered once, with a clear and distinct refusal, even a hard refusal. For all its military and economic power, China simply won’t get into the brazen pressure on Russian lands if our Siberia and the Far East, together with the population, were not sold secretly from us ................... ..........
  32. +2
    August 16 2012
    Why shouldn’t the shed land be given up with Russian blood before? Concessions at the present time are not pragmatism, but a sign of the state’s weakness and instability ...
  33. logic
    0
    August 16 2012
    Quote: general-oberst
    It is clear that my dear, but you should not beat the muzzle for these snot.

    so give a couple of squares of your apartment, let the Chinese live there (he’s the poor fellow)
    1. general-oberst
      +1
      August 16 2012
      Read carefully who writes this. These are not my words. drinks My comment is under this nonsense.
  34. red 015
    +1
    August 16 2012
    Well, where are those people who in other articles vehemently claimed that China is our ally ?! can an ally do this ?! This territorial claim from China once again proves that he is not our ally and will not be him !!!
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      This may just be the main goal of this incident ... let everyone think so ... charm.
  35. logic
    +2
    August 16 2012
    No, just imagine "gave time to think about the answer." That is, they are sure that the land will be given to them (as always), and deliberation is for the Russian people, a digestible reason.

    Quote: red 015
    China once again proves that he is not our ally and will not be him !!!

    Well, why so rude, China will be our ally until all our lands are given to him
  36. +6
    August 16 2012
    Look at things objectively: There is an expansion and the resettlement of peoples (China) to Russia. Those who were in the Far East know that almost everywhere narrow-eyed in a large number. And why should they fight? So everyone will capture and relocate. We are a multinational country and our government is happy ... and the FMS, how will it live without offerings? We are the only country in the world where not a word is said about the indigenous people (Russian) in the Constitution. They pissed off Crimea and Berlin, we will give back Baikal ........
    1. ole
      ole
      +2
      August 16 2012
      Quote: vik71
      Мы

      We are the only country in the world where not a word is said about the indigenous people (Russian) in the Constitution. I am not a Nazi, there are friends of different nationalities but your words are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
      00000000000000000000000000000000% TRUE!
  37. logic
    +3
    August 16 2012
    Quote: vik71
    About the indigenous people (Russian) not a word is said in the Constitution. They pissed off Crimea and Berlin, we will give back Baikal ........

    Do not say anything. totally agree with you. Why talk about England if our government itself believes that the Russian people exist to make life easier for other nations
    1. general-oberst
      -1
      August 16 2012
      logic
      Read carefully who writes what !!! Mudilo.
  38. oldmen1973
    +2
    August 16 2012
    The problem is not what foreigners (including the Chinese) want from Russia - territories or resources. You can understand them, if you approach this with a "cold head" - the development of your country, the improvement of the lives of your subjects and all that. The problem is: what is the Russian leadership doing to discourage other countries from solving their problems at our expense? What measures are being taken by our Foreign Ministry, what are our leaders and their leaders talking about through government communication channels? Why do we only hear about the fact that somewhere they have given away part of the land, ceded part of the territorial waters, allow foreigners to privatize our companies that were previously on the list of strategically important, give foreigners territories for their farmland? So far, I only hear that everything is being done by our leadership for the good of the country and for the future. But what I hear and what I see, and until recently I lived in the Kostroma region, now in Ulyanovsk, my parents are in Altai and this gives me the right to judge life by comparing it in different parts of the country, and so, what I see does not add optimism.
    The question is not what we will give back and how much. Question - how soon?
  39. 0
    August 16 2012
    China has not forgotten much to whom it is obliged that the XUAR region has appeared in the state and not the state of East Turkestan.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%92%D
    0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BA%D0
    %B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0
  40. +3
    August 16 2012
    We are weak! And weaklings are always asked questions like: "hear ... you can't find a smoke ..?" - and this despite the fact that the questioner has a new pack of cigarettes in his hand.
  41. Darck
    +1
    August 16 2012
    New territorial claims of China against Russia
    Heh, it’s not surprising that the Chinese said there ... Do they know that the territories belong to them? In the course of the dawn of another Kamunism begins.
    I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.
    Already have, against them, Vietnam, Japan, Korea and everyone in the region whom they want to offend, under the auspices of the United States.
  42. sahha
    0
    August 16 2012
    Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.


    It is not known about this, but it is clear that there is one huge base on the "shores" of Russia - the PRC.
  43. +4
    August 16 2012
    And how are you going to "water" them,

    Why water them? The country is relatively small with a higher concentration of the population. Air defense is far from the best in the world. Enough nuclear weapons or nuclear weapons with an excellent launch vehicle to keep them on a leash. So let them greyhound. Until the border has been crossed let anyone prove anything to anyone.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Manager
      the country is relatively small with a higher concentration of the population.

      If everything has already gone so far, then by virtue of what you have said, the greatest effect will be achieved from the use of bacteriological weapons. But this is all controversy ..
    2. +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Manager
      Until the border is crossed

      Yes, they have long crossed her! How many of them already live there?
  44. Arsen
    +2
    August 16 2012
    You can not give a centimeter, and it is not a matter of territory.
  45. +5
    August 16 2012
    DAGESTAN333,
    DAGESTAN333We are not weaklings, but the trouble is in the head and leadership. None of the "ruling" thinks and does not want to be a Russian .. Children in England, accounts in Amsterdam, housing in Madrid ... And Russia is so .... lives hard, pays taxes and to hell with it, have time to snatch themselves. Who will remember when the last referendum was and when the Russians were asked at least what our opinion was about (the death penalty, Crimea, the WTO, the Law on Weapons, etc.). So the country's leadership is much smarter than its people, it protects and protects us ...
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      Buddy vik71, you need to have at least a little will, and not always carefully calculate something. So we get to insanity - through hellish and incredible calculations ... ... GIVE THE EARTH, which, our ancestors, you see, have left us in reserve ...

      In land issues, it is necessary to send China in three letters, - they will begin to show their "incomprehensible" idiotic smiles - write down a phrase with a message in three letters on the player with a repeat, direct in their direction, and go to do their own thing, that is. put markers where indicated on OUR map.
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        That's right, and to hell)
  46. +1
    August 16 2012
    Of course you need to make it clear to China that friendship is friendship, but the tobacco apart ......
    This is just the beginning. We are still ahead ...
    Later there will be pieces of not 17 hectares each and the assaults more frankly and tougher.
    Need to beat the snout now.
    Let the openers open in surprise.
  47. gor
    gor
    -9
    August 16 2012
    but why not give it away. First give it away, and then you can start a geopolitical alliance against the states together with the Chinese)))))))))) the situation is just like before the Second World War. you armed and helped, and concluded an alliance, and then just do not gnaw each other's throats. The same rake is advancing, and in your opinion, as always, the United States is to blame
    1. +7
      August 16 2012
      Quote: gor
      why don’t give it away, first give it back,


      Everything is fine with your head?
      Your state of mind is starting to bother me.
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        Apollo, friend be careful. Now in PM you get something.

        Horus has his own particular opinion.
        1. 0
          August 16 2012
          Quote: vorobey
          Horus has his own particular opinion.


          Thank you hi drinks vorodey gor did not dare laughing
        2. +3
          August 16 2012
          Quote: vorobey
          Horus has his own particular opinion.


          Dear Vorobey!

          gor did not dare to write in a personal
    2. +1
      August 16 2012
      are you currently painting on Freud?
      Quote: gor
      but why not give it away. First give it back, and then you can begin to build a geopolitical alliance against the states together with the Chinese

      17 hectares have a claim. forget that they will send the Chinese to dick?
  48. 1st_user
    +7
    August 16 2012
    The fact that this territorial dispute has arisen right now is no accident. Russia and China clearly indicated to the West the coincidence of their military-political interests. And the West in response decided to deliver a fierce blow - to embroil Russia with China in order to nip this alliance in the bud. The Chinese government clearly has peculiar political saboteurs who, at the direction of the West, sowed a grain of contention with Russia. China does not need to make claims to us, but to look for traitors in itself.
    Since ancient times, in any war (real or potential), quarreling countries in an enemy alliance has been a great victory. And the United States is clearly acting in that direction. By the way, the story about Iran’s claims to us over the S-300 is from the same opera.
    1. from Kiev
      +3
      August 16 2012
      Well, finally, sent sensible comments.
      1. +1
        August 16 2012
        I support, but I barely read it here, no one wondered why now and why only 17 hectares ... but already they reached the characteristics of tactical nuclear weapons and the features of its application ...
  49. +2
    August 16 2012
    Children need to give birth ... And even die out, without China.
    1. +1
      August 16 2012
      [cucun quote = cucun] Children must be born. [/ quote]
      Of course, having children is necessary. But not to guard the border. The time of Dzhulbars with the Karatsups ends. After 50 years, the border should be guarded by robots. The future of Russia is in high technology, and not in the number of people settled along the border (for protection). Stupidly measured with China, who gives birth to more children.
  50. +3
    August 16 2012
    They must be knocked down ..., with a shit stick !!!
  51. +2
    August 16 2012
    this is the price of idiotic concessions, starting with Domansky. The guys shed blood, and this marked bitch quietly threw off the island. Nowadays these shitcrats are collecting dust on what they didn’t get. And appetite, as you know, comes with eating. Just make sure these skinny little ones don’t eat you, with your giblets. They will start with 27 hectares and gobble up all of Russia.
  52. +1
    August 16 2012
    News "Military-industrial courier. Air defense units in the Far East are being retrained to work on the promising Tor-M2U anti-aircraft missile systems (AAMS), said Lieutenant Colonel Nikolai Donyushkin, a representative of the press service and information department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the Ground Forces.

    “On the basis of the 726th training center of the Air Defense Forces of the Ground Forces in the city of Yeisk (Krasnodar Territory), personnel of the air defense units of one of the combined arms formations of the Eastern Military District, stationed on the outskirts of the eastern borders of Russia, were retrained for the promising Tor-M2U anti-aircraft missile systems "- said N. Donyushkin.

    Equipping the air defense units of the Eastern Military District with promising air defense systems “allows us to have in combat such air defense forces and means that, while maintaining the qualities of mobile military systems, have characteristics sufficient for reliable cover of troops and objects,” the officer noted.

    At the end of August, these air defense units of the Eastern Military District will “take part in live firing at the Kapustin Yar training ground in the Astrakhan region,” N. Donyushkin said.

    The Tor-M2U short-range air defense system is designed to repel enemy air strikes with the active use of countermeasures to air defense systems, and is capable of combating high-precision weapons."
  53. Blackjack
    +2
    August 16 2012
    Quote: red 015
    Well, where are those people who in other articles vehemently claimed that China is our ally ?! can an ally do this ?! This territorial claim from China once again proves that he is not our ally and will not be him !!!

    China is a big cancer. It grows, begins to absorb the resources of neighboring countries, and continues to grow. Where it does not receive resistance, not even a layer of fertile soil will remain. The task of humanity is to isolate China inside the Chinese Wall so that this tumor devours Itself. The biggest threat to Russia is China rather than the United States. The USA only needs our resources, China needs our land itself. We need to put our foot down so that China doesn’t swallow us. And why not use an alliance with the United States, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and (South) Korea to isolate China. Here, any enemy of China is a fellow traveler for us.
    1. from Kiev
      -3
      August 16 2012
      China is a situational ally. In addition, Russia’s biggest headache right now is clearly not China. They really need a part of Russian land - please, exchange it for something of equal value and very necessary for Russia.
      1. Ataturk
        0
        August 16 2012
        Quote: from Kiev
        They really need a part of Russian land - please, exchange it for something of equal value and very necessary for Russia.


        WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE SAYING?

        MOTHERLAND IS MOTHER! DO YOU WANT TO EXCHANGE YOUR OWN MOTHER WHO FEEDS PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING? Hmmmm

        MOTHER MOTHERLAND IS NOT FOR SALE OR EXCHANGE!!! REMEMBER!!!!

        THIS IS YOUR POLICY. INTERESTING IN EXCHANGE WHAT DID YOU HELP THE GEORGIANS THEN? WHAT WAS EQUIALLY VALUABLE FOR YOU?
        1. +2
          August 16 2012
          Quote: Ataturk
          MOTHER MOTHERLAND IS NOT FOR SALE OR EXCHANGE!!! REMEMBER!!!!

          That's it... It's a pity that the Pepsi generation needs to explain things that in the USSR every boy learned at the age of 5, playing war games... recourse
        2. from Kiev
          +4
          August 16 2012
          Listen, dear! You don't need to be more Russian than the Russians themselves.
          For me, returning part of the Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island, or Tarabarov, is an equivalent exchange (approach area to the landing strip), but I don’t know why the Chinese need these 17 hectares - for the convenience of operating the promising joint construction of a gas pipeline from Russia to China - this is one option, due to “natural hazards” , deceit and greed" (in your opinion) is another option. Less expression and don’t pollute the forum with jingoistic flood. And somehow it’s not clear with the Georgians. What are we talking about? Protection from the Ottoman Empire? Or do you stubbornly want to link the flag over my posts with the supply of weapons to Georgia from Ukraine? Wasted work. My Ukraine is from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin and you can call it whatever you want. Well, the supply of Ukrainian air defense systems and tanks is a meanness of the Ukrainian government that is absolutely not independent, in contrast to goodwill in all sorts of nabuks, jeikhans and other gabala.
          1. +1
            August 16 2012
            Quote: from Kiev
            My Ukraine - from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin

            +5 good
  54. gorkoxnumx
    +3
    August 16 2012
    In the next ten years, a war with China is unlikely, but the growth rate of the Chinese economy makes us think, and if they all get jobs by the year 2025 and stop being dependent on our technologies and weapons, they will have a logical question: why do we need the largest economy in the world with When can the largest and most modern army buy oil and gas?

    in the photo Shanghai 1990 and 2010.
    1. Ataturk
      0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: gorko83
      in the photo Shanghai 1990 and 2010.


      Well, they know how to build quickly. I do not argue. They pay for quantity and not for quality



      which ultimately leads



      When I go into the store, I see the words Made in China and I put it back!!!
      1. 1st_user
        +3
        August 16 2012
        How do you live without buying anything?
        1. Ataturk
          0
          August 16 2012
          Quote: 1st_user

          How do you live without buying anything?


          I buy European clothes and local food.
          1. REPA1963
            0
            August 18 2012
            There is no European clothing in the world, but we have local food, everything Chinese is just our labels.
            1. Ataturk
              0
              August 18 2012
              Quote: REPA1963
              There are no European clothes in the world

              It seems so to you. The price is simply not the same as the Chinese ones. Buy food from the countryside and that’s it.
  55. +1
    August 16 2012
    These Chinese faces are just crazy. They need to be gently but firmly put in place.
  56. Konsdneprovsky
    +1
    August 16 2012
    At all *** ***
    Under no circumstances should you give in!!!
  57. from Kiev
    0
    August 16 2012
    Quote: blackjack
    And why not use an alliance with the United States, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and (South) Korea to isolate China. Here, any enemy of China is a fellow traveler for us.

    Why is the love of the West better than the arrogance of China?
    In my opinion, there are no global friends, there are tactical alliances, and now is the time for a tactical alliance with China against the Anlo-Saxons. Obviously the time will come for an alliance with the Anglo-Saxons against China. But everything has its time. And now the Yankees and others like them - go ho!

    Quote: blackjack
    And why not use an alliance with the United States, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and (South) Korea to isolate China. Here, any enemy of China is a fellow traveler for us.

    Why is the love of the West better than the arrogance of China?
    In my opinion, there are no global friends, there are tactical alliances, and now is the time for a tactical alliance with China against the Anlo-Saxons. Obviously the time will come for an alliance with the Anglo-Saxons against China. But everything has its time. And now the Yankees and others like them - go ho!
  58. +1
    August 16 2012
    My appetite is growing, I offer it with chopsticks, and in the impudent Chinese face angry and a lip rolling machine
  59. Van
    +1
    August 16 2012
    Yes, it looks like Russia will soon have to erect the Great Russian Wall from China. what

    Nothing where ours disappeared. soldier
  60. 0
    August 16 2012

    Yes, it looks like Russia will soon have to erect the Great Russian Wall from China.

    Maybe it would be better to create an even greater army based on a lot of nuclear goodness?
  61. +3
    August 16 2012
    Native, native, native land -
    Hills and plains, forests and fields!
    You were given by good fate for happiness,
    You are alone in the world and alone in your heart!

    Remember this song!
    1. 0
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Forget
      Remember this song!

      This is a SOVIET song... Of course we remember.
  62. +1
    August 16 2012
    Yes, you need to scare them a little or send them away beautifully in a democratic manner, saying you will stick around, those areas that we handed over to you will again turn out to be controversial.
    1. +4
      August 16 2012
      and if the Chinese start taking pictures....... what

      joke: the Chinese crossed the border in small groups of 5 million.
      1. +1
        August 16 2012
        And we will offer them 5 million on a granite wall in groups in mass graves. am
        1. 1st_user
          0
          August 16 2012
          And the West has achieved its main goal - to quarrel between Russia and China, and is celebrating victory, judging by the comments.
        2. 0
          August 16 2012
          just let them make a crypt for themselves in this wall first
  63. pepelacxp
    +3
    August 16 2012
    Uncle Vova!
    don't give up our land.
    1. -1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: pepelacxp
      Uncle Vova!
      don't give up our land.

      Mr. Gray Goat! Don't eat cabbage in your garden...
  64. +2
    August 16 2012
    And on what is their future greatness based on the export of goods to the West. First, with their help, we need to bring down the United States and they will fall into this funnel.
  65. Fidain
    +1
    August 16 2012
    Of course, I’m not for America, but the Chinese have gone crazy in general, we need to somehow push China and America together...
    1. Ataturk
      -1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Fidain

      Of course, I’m not for America, but the Chinese have gone crazy in general, we need to somehow push China and America together...

      The idea is certainly good, but fantastic.

      China will never aggravate relations with the United States and Europe. For now. Since their economy depends on the USA and EUROPE.

      A COUP inside and install your own or Gorbachev’s type there, also from the world of science fiction. You just need to beat them constantly!
      1. spok
        -4
        August 16 2012
        most likely there will be a war with Russia and they will finish off the stronger and deal with the weak and it will be a fairy tale for them
        That’s what I would have done, pushed Russia and China head-on and then finished them both off, fortunately a precedent is brewing on its own, it’s Syria and Iran Russia will surrender Syria, and we can’t go into war in any way, and the loot is all in Putin’s states, for the mere thought of a war with NATO, ours will immediately be overwhelmed the oligarchs will either simply not give money and a civil war will begin in Russia
        What do you think Putin will choose?
        alliance with ami or alliance with china
        definitely everything speaks about it
        I think he will give the Far East to China
        1. Ataturk
          -1
          August 16 2012
          Quote from spok
          I think he will give the Far East to China


          CONSIDERING THIS VIDEO



          On the other hand, how is he going to live in Russia later?
  66. Diesel
    +1
    August 16 2012
    I think regular flights over the Russian-Chinese border of the Tu-95 with nuclear weapons will quickly cool the ardor of the yellowhorns angry
    1. Ataturk
      +1
      August 16 2012
      Quote: Diesel
      I think regular flights over the Russian-Chinese border of the Tu-95 with nuclear weapons will quickly cool the ardor of the yellowhorns


      Great idea...it wouldn't hurt to have a couple of Topol-Ms drive along the border.
      And mine the entire border.
      1. REPA1963
        0
        August 18 2012
        And at the same time, the whole of Altai will suddenly break through.
  67. SSR
    +2
    August 16 2012
    Yes, in the process, soon Mother Nature will send an envelope... with "bird flu" and humanity will immediately have a huge number of problems... with nutrition, ecology, overpopulation, deforestation, ocean pollution, the dollar, landfills and all other crap... .. and the desire to fight will disappear (at least for a while)
    usu/ and then the majority will begin to boast not about the apartment on the 150th floor... but about the fact that the family has mastered, plowed and sowed 2 hectares of land)))
    1. Ataturk
      +2
      August 16 2012
      Quote from S.S.R.
      Yes, as things go, Mother Nature will soon send an envelope... with "bird flu"


      Look how I didn't think of this. Indeed, there are enough scientists in Russia to create some kind of virus... and go straight to them....

      Great idea in case of aggression. Well done. Plus for you.
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        Better genetic, selective, otherwise the infection will get to us)
      2. SSR
        +1
        August 16 2012
        yes I'm kind))) hi
        I somehow remember I suggested that if the Europeans sharpen their teeth against us...
        then at hour X.. through gas pipes... in general, add another gas...
        and in general our world is going to hell...
        spiritual.. family moral values ​​are crumbling...
        in europe america no matter the politician is gay or a pedophile...
        they remind me of Rome... gone all out...
        they are not residents in this form.. they themselves will cleanse themselves of filth...
        one way or another...
  68. -2
    August 16 2012
    And so, kids, after this you rejoice when China “silences the United States” during the next territorial disputes around some island. And you list China as one of your closest allies. But the guys have more complaints than 17 sq. km. Oh, how about more, they are just testing the waters.
    1. +3
      August 16 2012
      kid, you will sort out your problems first. And then you will worry about us.
      1. 0
        August 16 2012
        I, dear, am a citizen of Russia. And I’m quite worried when there are a lot of fools in the country, excuse me
  69. +2
    August 16 2012
    and again an article that shows how bad our neighbors are, but there is not at least one proposal on how to regulate this moment. Well, it is said that China is claiming, but how to fight back, are there any documents?. and even if so, how did the official authorities react?
    1. from Kiev
      +1
      August 16 2012
      Gentleman.
      Tooting.
      The fact of the matter is that some people here are “stupidly” trolling fragile minds.
  70. Kuzmin.179
    0
    August 16 2012
    China is simply greyhound. But our authorities are silent and do not know what to do; it is high time to explain to our “friendly” neighbors that we are not going to distribute our lands to anyone.
  71. 0
    August 16 2012
    Volgograd farmers: Where the Chinese grow vegetables, the land burns down in two years
    http://volgograd.kp.ru/daily/25703/904149/

    And you say “Altai, Altai”. Volgograd!!! Just wait, in a few years... pieces of Volgograd land will begin to demand recognition as “original Chinese territory.”
  72. -1
    August 16 2012
    At one time, Mao put forward a global goal: “We must conquer the globe... In my opinion, the most important thing is our globe, where we will create a powerful power.” Here is a list of “lost territories”: Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas, Kyrgyzstan, South Kazakhstan, Afghanistan Badakhshan province, Mongolia, Transbaikalia and the south of the Far East up to Okhotsk.

    “Lost territories” amount to more than 10 million square meters. km. This exceeds the territory of the People's Republic of China (9,6 million sq. km). No other state in the world makes such claims. In our time, these claims are not declared in the foreign policy arena, but are voiced within the PRC, and this approach to history has been preserved.
  73. -1
    August 16 2012
    In the first half of the 90s, focusing on the diplomatic resolution of border and territorial problems, China laid the foundations for the architecture of its relations with the states of Central Asia. At the same time, a cautious approach, the ability to combine elements of oriental etiquette with the establishment of strict conditions when resolving issues that are important to them, as well as the objectively difficult situation in the Central Asian countries themselves, allowed Beijing to achieve, on the whole, a solution to a complex of border-territorial problems that was quite beneficial for itself, in particular , in the form of concessions by Kazakhstan - 407 sq. km, by Kyrgyzstan - from the disputed Bedelsky section with an area of ​​2840 sq. km. About 900 sq. km went to China; from the area adjacent to the Khan Tegri peak – 161 sq. km. of 450 sq. km.; the Boz-Amir-Khojent site with an area of ​​20 hectares has been given over completely. and Tajikistan - about 1200 sq. km. China in a number of areas of disputed territories.
  74. -2
    August 16 2012
    Chinese border guards offered Russia to give 17 hectares of land in the Altai Mountains.
    The border guards of China will get along. Or remind them what Hail, Hurricane, Tornado, Tornado are!
  75. denn
    +2
    August 16 2012
    The first thing that came to mind was whether all this noise around the land dispute with China was just to stir up the mood? Playing Russia off against China is the big dream of “our foreign partners.” And then finish them both off.
    If true, then send China to hell, or demand land in return.
    In any case, build up military potential without stopping, work out solutions that nullify China’s numerical advantage. No lands.
  76. 1st_user
    +2
    August 16 2012
    Comrades!!! Apparently, the overwhelming majority, judging by the comments, succumbed to Western provocations! The United States deliberately quarreled Russia with China in order to prevent them from jointly opposing the West. I have already written about this in detail above, I will not repeat it. There are some kind of political saboteurs in the Chinese government.
    1. from Kiev
      +4
      August 16 2012
      I agree with your opinion.
      Is Swedish-Azerbaijani Ataturk really a troll in the service of the West?
      1. +2
        August 16 2012
        I like him very much, but he shows unhealthy activity in this topic... makes me think...
        Parry, Omar.
    2. denn
      +1
      August 16 2012
      I hold a similar opinion, I wrote about this just above you. I wanted to add on the topic: today I read the news about the riots in Ryazan associated with the brutal beatings of people on the street by Dagestanis - they simply beat everyone who came across, which provoked people to unite and fight back. So here, in my personal opinion, it very much smacks of provocation with the aim of shaking the country into international relations. soil. Two points arise: 1) is the information from Ryazan true? 2) If yes, then the terror is organized with the aim of discord between the regions of the country. IMHO. I urge everyone to take a balanced approach to all information; most likely, we will face a wave of information attacks in the fall. Anyone who has information about Ryazan, please unsubscribe.
  77. 6o6er
    0
    August 16 2012
    Another canard... China has no land claims to Russia. I wouldn’t talk about partnership with China, we are not equal “partners”, China sadly dominates this “friendship” of peoples, as long as we give them everything they need... This is not difficult to see, at least in the supply of electricity, wood, etc., etc., they get it all almost for free... Now ask yourself why? the answer is obvious.
    In response, I will naturally hear that this is all nonsense, we will crush them with a poplar and finish them off with a mace (the same poplar)))
  78. ole
    ole
    0
    August 16 2012
    Of course, you can’t give land to China. But in general, all this is empty, since a law is being prepared to abolish the categorization of lands and use them in direct economic relations - roughly speaking, whoever has the money will buy everything, be it a Chinese, an American, or an Arab.
  79. MI-AS-72
    +1
    August 17 2012
    Well, as was to be expected, Nostradamus predicted that the 21st century would be the century of the predominance of the yellow race. And it is not the USA that stands on this path in the first place, but Russia. And you shouldn’t think that we have superiority in technology and the quality of weapons; it’s not even worth talking about the economy. Several dozen aircraft and a couple of modern air defense systems, etc. problems are not solved. In order to confront China, today possessing a nuclear bomb is not a guarantee of our security. Its use will lead to the destruction of the planet and it is unlikely that anyone in Russia will decide to do this, but territory in exchange for peace is easy. Moreover, the entire “progressive world” will be for the Chinese, this is beyond doubt. We don’t have a trump card, and it’s not even clear what we can offer in this capacity. What are we planning by the 20th year of the Armed Forces, to adopt a 5th generation fighter and increase the number of SU-34s to 50 units, but look on the internet what China is planning, isn’t it funny? We have no more than 3...5 years left, and during this time, I will assume that Russia will sell off the wealth of Siberia and the Far East to Western (primarily American companies), thinking that the West will not give up “ITS” to China. In any case, according to those announced plans for the development of Russia in the near future, nothing else that we could realistically and effectively oppose to China is visible.
  80. Ataturk
    -3
    August 17 2012
    Quote: MI-AS-72
    Nostradamus predicted that the 21st century would be the century of the predominance of the yellow race.


    Reading this, I'm filled with fear.

    Signs that the end of the world is approaching.
    In red it indicates what is already happening.

    1. It will be impossible to rely on people.
    2. Bad people will be held in high esteem.
    3. Drunkenness and usury will become commonplace.
    4. Zakat will not be paid. (Help the poor)
    5. The wife will dominate, and the mother will no longer be taken into account.
    6. The Noble Quran will be read in violation of the rules.
    7. People will wallow in hypocrisy.
    8. The youth will become wicked (fasyk).
    9. Newly-minted “scientists” will accuse former scientists of ignorance.
    10. Innovations in religion will spread.
    11. The so-called “experts” will not have even a grain of faith.
    12. Following Islam will be a shameful act. Believers will be pitied.
    13. Those who do good for everyone will be considered fools.
    14. Following Islam will be as difficult as holding burning coals in your hands.
    15. The voices of the wicked will rise in the mosques.
    16. Sins will be encouraged, and good deeds will be discouraged.
    17. Scientists will charge tuition fees.
    18. Family ties will cease.
    19. They will stop taking their parents into account.
    1. Van
      0
      August 17 2012
      I think that 10 (11) and 13 can also be put on the red list. what
      1. Ataturk
        -2
        August 17 2012
        Quote: Wang
        I think it's 10

        what religion is this?
    2. ViPChe
      0
      August 20 2012
      I don’t want to believe it, but the fact is obvious. For each of these points, we can say with confidence, despite the religious orientation, that this is so. Or does anyone disagree? soldier
  81. 0
    August 17 2012
    lies and bullshit
    1. bachast
      0
      August 17 2012
      Meanwhile ...
  82. Xtra1l
    0
    August 17 2012
    That China, Japan, that the post-Soviet countries treat us like suckers and we will read several such articles a year, They need to do something there and not negotiate as if we are a defenseless and incompetent country
  83. -5
    August 17 2012
    In response, China needs to make claims on Yellow Russia (Manchuria). Our leadership and the GRU must under no circumstances overlook the moment of concentration of Chinese troops and equipment within 100-200 km from our borders, and if they are detected, immediately launch a preventive surprise strike using tactical nuclear weapons without declaring war, without notes of protest and other diplomacy. .. Further, China is a strategically very vulnerable country, since almost the entire population and infrastructure is concentrated on the Pacific coast, and is under threat of flooding of the dams on the Yanzi and Yellow River, if these dams are destroyed, half of China’s infrastructure will be washed away. Next, we extract meat from the Chinese militias, give independence to the Uighurs, annex Inner Mongolia to Mongolia, and take Manchuria for ourselves by clearing these territories of ethnic Han people.
    1. cat-hipopotamus
      -4
      August 17 2012
      Not a bad situation, those at the top would rather shit their pants than give such a command to the aircraft. Here our leadership proceeds from the fact that a worthless and insulting peace (generously paid for by the same Chinese for our natural resources) is better than a just war for defending our national interests, including territories!
      1. 0
        August 17 2012
        Second strategist! You should be president...
    2. 0
      August 17 2012
      Apparently - a strategist!!! Remember, during the period of Yeltsinism, we withdrew our troops from the border with the PRC to the forests 200 km away, and they to equipped military bases. They live there and are thrilled in anticipation! So maybe right away.....business then?
    3. -1
      August 18 2012
      Smart about infrastructure. But regarding a strike without warning - it’s not entirely correct and dangerous..
  84. -1
    August 17 2012
    You will still have to fight with China... and in my opinion, this should be done in the near future, while there is still an advantage in the quality of weapons, while there are still people in the army with combat experience and while men who have served a normal 2-year term are still in force, then there will be no one to fight with them.
    Those who naively believe that war will not happen or can be avoided, ask yourself a simple question: why has China been investing gigantic sums in its military-industrial complex and army in recent years? The Americans invest and fight, China invests and will also fight....the question is with whom? Naturally with the weakest neighbor, in order to “test out” the army and accustom the population. They consider Russia a weak country.
    1. 0
      August 17 2012
      That's right, we have to fight... get dressed, let's go... haven't you forgotten anything?
      1. -1
        August 17 2012
        your sparkling humor is so sparkling....time will come, I won’t forget, don’t worry, it’s better to worry about yourself
        1. +1
          August 17 2012
          I worry both for myself and for the country, if decisions are made like this, then the country is screwed... think, at least a little, before you write.
  85. +2
    August 17 2012
    Ataturk.After your attack on the pilot, Hero of Russia, I can’t believe the sincerity of your wise advice. Maybe there is something useful to do in your home country. Give useful advice.

    Svistoplyaskov 
     14 August 2012 08: 48 

    Honor and Glory to the Hero of the Russian Federation Ivan Ivanovich Konyukhov.

    Ataturk (2) 

    Quote: Whistling
    Honor and Glory to the Hero of the Russian Federation


    I would be ashamed to write a shameful thing. Glory to Russia for destroying the Georgians, when you lived together with these same Georgians for 100 years. When these same Georgians fought for your country. And do you think that after such words people who have brains in their heads will respect you? I would be ashamed. Saakashvili may be a complete loser, but people died there. 

    Hmmm. Some small people went (((((((((((
  86. 0
    August 17 2012
    Quote: Smoke
    your sparkling humor is so sparkling....time will come, I won’t forget, don’t worry, it’s better to worry about yourself


    of the
  87. Alexander
    +2
    August 17 2012
    To avoid this, you should not buy anything Chinese and try to buy only domestically produced goods. This way we will undermine their economy and strengthen ours.
    1. from Kiev
      +1
      August 17 2012
      Quote: kush62
      I can’t believe the sincerity of your wise advice.

      But I thought that it was only me who saw this, and Ataturk’s wise advice was very similar to ideological sabotage.
  88. ViPChe
    0
    August 17 2012
    Having read all of the above, in my opinion, we need to draw short conclusions: not an inch of land for anyone, comprehensive economic measures to strengthen our status in relation to the yellow ones. And, most importantly, the comprehensive strengthening of the GROUND FORCES AND EVERYTHING CONNECTED WITH THEM. And the sooner the better. A series of exercises in the Far East and Siberia showed an absolute unpreparedness to repel aggression from China, and beyond the Urals in general. Pre-reformed, damn it. Nuclear weapons bluff and nonsense in war. This deterrent factor is purely political and only for mentally healthy politicians. For schizos, he is a panacea. But then there will be neither them (the schizos) nor the normal ones. fellow
  89. cobra66
    0
    August 17 2012
    The Chinese have multiplied and can no longer fit into their territory.
  90. +2
    August 17 2012
    We need to unite quickly, otherwise the Chinese will take away the Far East,
    KAZAKHSTAN - Russia _ Belarus for starters, and there maybe we compete
    with the Chinese for junk. One hell of a Chinese product is not bad in all respects and the prices are not bad. And we have Gas in our apartment.
  91. ViPChe
    0
    August 17 2012
    Having read all of the above, in my opinion, one should draw short conclusions: - not an inch of land for anyone, for this will become a tradition;
    - strengthening the economy so as not to depend on the Chinese (a problem!? feel );
    - an unambiguous and rapid strengthening of the GROUND FORCES, in the collapse of which we have already succeeded, and exercises in the Far East and Siberia have shown our inability to repel any aggression beyond the Urals.
    Only a schizophrenic can consider nuclear weapons a panacea for resolving controversial issues. Political containment and rattling, yes. But war is neither crazy nor sane... fellow In general, brothers, learn Chinese, because economic expansion is inevitable, judging by the rate of our degradation, and after it - ..... laughing crying
    1. cobra66
      0
      August 17 2012
      "That's it, brother rabbits"
      1. -1
        August 18 2012
        The machine will also be made in China.
  92. 6o6er
    0
    August 17 2012
    China doesn’t lay claim to our territory, they don’t live in their north, and our refrigerator doesn’t bother them like everyone else, in principle, the raw material base with workers is how they perceive us, as long as we give everything ourselves, no one will come to take it away.
  93. 0
    August 17 2012
    physical map Google + view category military facility
    http://wikimapia.org/#lat=49.1110598&lon=87.4338814&z=10&l=1&

    m=t&tag=516
    The high mountain plateau of Ukok - declared a UNESCO rest zone - is located at the junction of Russia, Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan, measuring approximately 70 km by 40 km. Local people do not live there, they use them as winter pastures. There is a border post, about 50 people, preparing to defend our homeland from the Chinese invasion. Apparently, back in the 60s, trenches were dug and log (even though trees don’t grow there - too high) pillboxes were erected.

    http://saleksashenko.livejournal.com/39373.html
  94. 0
    August 18 2012
    As for the Far Eastern section of the state border:
    Damansky Island, which was previously given away, goes under water every spring, and in accordance with international rules, the border runs through the middle of the river.
    China, for its part, is carrying out dredging work in some areas, which is why the river bed is changing and the border with China is moving towards us along the Argun and Amur rivers.
    Periodically, demarcation occurs (establishing a state border line on the ground.) The border, according to international law, we give it part of the territory.
    I would like to note that river beds can change and without dredging it depends on floods and other hydrology.
  95. Centaurus
    0
    August 18 2012
    No, of course it’s understandable, the People’s Republic of China is bursting with overpopulation there, but only if you give them permission, you’ll see that someday they’ll demand Siberia, and in general they’ll reach Yekaterinburg, and there, excuse me, Russia could end.
    Are they going to praise Russia at the UN? I wonder who besides Russia will praise them, and who in the world needs them anyway? A complete headache, which also claims to dominate. And let him know his place.
    Finally, they were dumbfounded, honestly... And in general, it seems to me that Moscow needs to inadvertently hint to Beijing that the problem of overpopulation can be solved very quickly in another way....
    1. Ataturk
      -2
      August 18 2012
      Quote: Centaur
      Of course it’s understandable, the People’s Republic of China is bursting with overpopulation there


      Didn’t they establish a law that there should be no more than 1 child in a family?
      Are they increasing again?
  96. Sergei1984
    0
    August 18 2012
    China will continue to increase the volume of territorial claims against Russia - this is absolutely obvious. The way out of this situation is a tough migration policy towards China (in general, any state), up to the closure of the border, a constant build-up of the military force on the border with China and holding exercises near the borders of China. The purpose of the exercises is to repel Chinese military aggression. Expulsion of numerous Chinese migrants from the Russian Federation, especially from the Far East.
    1. 0
      October 13 2017
      Sergei, you say funny things. China will send you so much that you will even lose your appetite. But the most important thing is something else. any contradictions that arise between China and Russia are to the delight of America. Putin knows this well; after all, he is not Trump. So don't dream.
  97. 6o6er
    0
    August 18 2012
    Even the two border Chinese districts - Shenyang and Beijing - are much stronger in conventional weapons than the entire Russian army. They have more divisions than we have brigades. And they will not have problems with the transfer of additional troops, unlike us. The prospects are sad...
  98. 0
    August 18 2012
    Ataturk,
    Quote: Ataturk
    Are they increasing again?


    There is always an increase, and taking into account the billion-plus population, in absolute numbers it is not shabby - about 12 million per year (1990-2000).
  99. 0
    August 20 2012
    With the further “reform” of the RF Armed Forces according to Serdyukov, the PRC will declare the Far East as disputed territories! am
    During the reign of the Yeltsinoids in the Far East there is practically no army that could resist the PRC troops armed with small arms
  100. 13017
    0
    August 20 2012
    We must be friends with China carefully and not give up any territories, otherwise it will slowly reach the Urals

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