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New territorial claims of China against Russia

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Not long ago, Russian and Chinese delegations took part in the so-called verification of the state border between the two countries. The audit was carried out in the status of demarcation measures in the territory of the Republic of Altai in accordance with the agreements reached in the Chinese city of Urumqi on July 25 of 2012. The demarcation work on the part of Russia was carried out under the leadership of Dmitry Kodenko, who is the representative of the FSB Border Department in the Altai Republic. The head of the Chinese delegation was Yu Guangsin - Director of the International Relations Department of the Altai District of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of the PRC.

New territorial claims of China against Russia
Chinese border guards offered Russia to give 17 hectares of land in the mountains of Altai (photo http://fedpress.ru)


It would seem that in the work of the bilateral commission there should have been no difficulties, except for the one that is associated with work in mountainous terrain. But in fact, the demarcation measures were not completed. The reason for this was the unexpectedly voiced position by the Chinese side, which was reduced to the need on the part of the Russian Federation to shift the section of the state border inland to China, so that China would receive the “native Chinese” 17 hectares of the Altai highlands. At the same time, the Chinese side, in fact, did not submit any documents that would at least somehow describe the claims for the aforementioned hectares, which suddenly turned into disputed territories. Yes, in legal terms, she could not present them, because as recently as 2005, an agreement was signed on the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border, according to which Russia handed over to China, as much as 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories.

In this regard, the Chinese claims may seem strange not only as such, but also strange in that sense, why did these claims suddenly manifest themselves in the Altai region? The answer to this question lies almost on the surface. The fact is that the Russian Federation on the territory of the Republic of Altai has a border with China, a little less than 55 kilometers. Due to the fact that the border line runs at an altitude reaching 3 thousands of meters, the checkpoints are not equipped here, because in the border areas, if economic activity is conducted, it is conducted on a very modest scale in order to pull barbed wire between countries and equip border posts.

Obviously, the absence of the very frontier outposts in the region provided Beijing with food for thought about whether or not to try again to follow the Chinese diplomatic diplomacy honed in the confrontation with the USSR, and not even a inch of land from Russia. China, apparently, went according to a simple principle: if Russia does not protect a part of the border, then it can be stated that this area should belong to China. And in order for the dispute not to result in a tougher confrontation, Beijing requires "only" 17 hectares. They say, well, why should we raise controversy because of such trifles - just give some land, and we will look and leave us alone.

In order to resolve the current crisis situation, it was decided to hold the next meeting of the bilateral commission in Gorno-Altaisk in late August - early September. During this time, the Russian side must figure out how to resist (and whether it is worth resisting at all ...) with the new Chinese territorial claims. In other words, Beijing gives the Russian authorities time to think: to give or not to give the People’s Republic of China another “modest territorial” gift, which, frankly, for all history relations with China were already indecent many ...

As history shows, any territorial indulgence in relation to a neighboring state, no matter how modest it is (indulgence), always becomes a precedent. The meaning of this is approximately the following: today you gave us 17 ha, tomorrow we will ask you for 25, and the day after tomorrow it will be possible to talk about more impressive areas. Concessions made once will lead to new and new territorial requirements.

In this regard, the position of those people who say, they say, well, and so what if we give Beijing some hard-to-reach Altai piece consisting of stones covered with rare flora, is surprising. They say, for this, China will endow Russia with its loyalty in the UN Security Council, and at other international platforms. But, excuse me, the exchange is not at all equivalent: “Neighbor, give me your land, and I will say how good you are.” But does Russia need international support at such a price? Paying your own territory just for someone rubbing their hands at the success of the “deal” called us white and fluffy ... That's too much ...

It means that it is time for Russia to make it clear once and for all to any state in this world, no matter how friendly and loyal it may seem, that the territory of the country cannot under any circumstances be subject to interstate bargaining.

By the way, the territorial claims of the PRC to Russia are far from being unique in their own way. Today there are a large number of disputed territories in different parts of the world, which should, from Beijing’s point of view, end up with China.

The list, if you do not take into account the Altai 17 ha, looks quite impressive.

1. China denotes a dispute with Japan over the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu) and, at the same time, is active in the immediate vicinity of the archipelago, which Japan considers its own.

2. In 2002, China presented materials according to which the disputed territories of one of its southern neighbors, Bhutan, should be obtained. And, despite the fact that the official authorities of this country did not sign any protocols on the rejection of a certain part of the territory in relation to China, the PRC workers began to build road networks and other infrastructure facilities on the disputed lands.

3. China is actively fighting for the islands of the South China Sea, constantly engaging in diplomatic (and not only diplomatic) conflicts with such countries as the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

4. The territorial dispute between China and Tajikistan, which resulted in more than 1150 sq. Kilometers under the jurisdiction of Beijing, was “settled” in 2011 (but where are the guarantees that China will not use the “Altai scenario” in this case).

5. Sino-Indian border territorial dispute lasts no less than 50 years.

This list may be continued by a succession of territorial disputes between China and Kazakhstan, Taiwan, Kyrgyzstan and other countries of the world. If we consider the totality of all the Chinese claims, then we get an interesting picture: China wants to receive territorial gifts from all its neighbors (and not only its neighbors). This, excuse me, some kind of Chinese “Lebensraum” is obtained, and only ...
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  1. esaul
    esaul 16 August 2012 07: 51
    +70
    China is just starting to openly greyhound!
    The guys felt their economic and military importance and, in fact, are starting to shake their eyebrows left and right. There the states sent nadys almost three letters .. And not in a whisper, but through the official printed mouthpiece - the newspaper "Zhenmin Daily". It takes a sobering shower for our Chinese friends
    1. pirate technician
      pirate technician 16 August 2012 08: 10
      +18
      Quote: esaul

      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      Our narrow-eyed friends warmed themselves up, and that’s them. Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.
      1. esaul
        esaul 16 August 2012 08: 28
        +25
        Quote: piratehnik
        Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America

        I, in principle, do not mind that they nest their bases near the states ... Then those will have less headaches for our "unrighteous life"! True, this is a double-edged sword - it is not the first time for minke whales to block with those who can pile them on the very tomatoes. So here, too, a kind of alliance is possible. So the words - "Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy!" Are indisputable truth for centuries for us!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 36
          -6
          Quote: esaul
          A sobering shower is required for our Chinese friends

          Oh well! And what are you going to "water" them, I'm embarrassed to ask ??? Well, you do not talk nonsense! Well really not serious ........!
          1. esaul
            esaul 16 August 2012 08: 40
            +7
            hi
            Quote: nycsson
            too shy to ask???

            Feel free - don't ask ... belay
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 47
              +7
              Quote: esaul
              Feel free - don't ask ...

              Yeah! The answer is worthy of a moderator! hi
              1. recitatorus
                recitatorus 16 August 2012 09: 58
                +34
                Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate. With these yellow-faced faces, show the slack, they will be impudent to infinity.
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 16 August 2012 10: 16
                  +23
                  Quote: recitatorus
                  Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate. With these yellow-faced faces, show the slack, they will be impudent to infinity.


                  You are a plus. In the most severe form necessary. To discourage desire. Although they were once counted, the bastards were friends with Russia, they removed attention from themselves, saved up and prepared.

                  It will be very difficult to ruin them. Here it is rather necessary to unite with India and the United States in order to put them on a stake.

                  If Russia puts them in their place again, then they will shut up again for a couple of years and will be even better prepared.

                  Here the factor that they have nuclear weapons interferes. For such a claim, one must take the same land from them. To understand it is impossible for someone else’s good to touch his paws.

                  Evil takes me from such topics. ON THE NUMBER OF THEM AND IN THE MOST RIGID FORM am
                  Because of the Chinese, the whole world is suffering. I watched a program the other day, Africans are already tormented. They open farms there and the local population who traded suffer only losses. European clothing manufacturers go bankrupt. In general, one sentence can not be described! On the count and only on the count of them am am am
                  SOUL AND HEART I am for Russia, which will be RIGHT in this dispute !!!! I am for the truth. I am for the right conversation !!! The Chinese are wrong !!!!
                  1. urchik
                    urchik 16 August 2012 10: 51
                    +6
                    just not the us and the west am . but generally agree
                  2. edge
                    edge 16 August 2012 17: 20
                    +3
                    feed the serpent on their head .............. angry but something may be for the better, before the face of the yellow threat there should be consolidation around Russia
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 17 August 2012 13: 14
                      0
                      And if consolidation arises against Russia around China?
                  3. Hon
                    Hon 17 August 2012 13: 12
                    +4
                    The trade turnover between China and the USA is 400 billion. $. With all the differences, they are partners, so they are more likely to unite against us!
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 17 August 2012 13: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Hon
                      The trade turnover between China and the USA is 400 billion. $. With all the differences, they are partners, so they are more likely to unite against us!


                      You are a plus. I have been saying this for a long time. The Chinese are neither friends nor allies. You are right.
                  4. saper
                    saper 17 August 2012 23: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    ON THE NUMBER OF THEM AND IN THE MOST RIGID FORM

                    how cruel are you wassat
                    you probably stopped giving sheep laughing
                  5. bobba94
                    bobba94 30 July 2014 21: 39
                    +2
                    Why do they need nuclear weapons? Imagine the situation: for some reason, the Chinese decided to go to the North, to Russia. If 1 million Chinese people cross the border per day, then they will go for 5 years. Why do they need nuclear weapons?
                2. Hon
                  Hon 17 August 2012 13: 04
                  0
                  And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek 17 August 2012 13: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Hon

                    And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?


                    You are strange.
                  2. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 17 August 2012 13: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Hon
                    And the navel will not untie hard to respond to the Chinese?


                    Do not underestimate them
                3. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk April 1 2020 10: 12
                  0
                  Quote: recitatorus
                  Come across! The answer should be tough and disproportionate.

                  In no case. We must come to them with a counter proposal, mildly demanding, on the transfer by China of 170 hectares to us. land close to these 17 hectares. How to motivate? Yes, just spit. Find old men whose fathers have hunted and grazed sheep for centuries. Let the Chinas prove that this is not so.
              2. Odinplys
                Odinplys 16 August 2012 17: 37
                -2
                nycsson [/ b
                == Yeah! The answer is worthy of a moderator! ==


                a question ... worthy of a provocateur ... with Maikfall syndrome ....
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 16 August 2012 22: 04
                  +2
                  [quote = OdinPlys] question ... worthy of a provocateur ...
                  Well, in that case, take the trouble to explain what kind of provocation on my part ?! Or am I asking the wrong question?
                  [quote = OdinPlys] with Maykfol's syndrome .... [/ quote]
                  But from now on, please read more. Are you a psychologist? And what is this syndrome? laughing
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 16 August 2012 11: 50
              +8
              An ingenious decision would be to declare this "controversial" area a test site and just start bombing it a little ... Not often - 1-2 times a month! And then let them build something there, graze the rams, carry hashish ...
              1. from Kiev
                from Kiev 16 August 2012 18: 06
                +1
                Witty? -Doubtedly. They tell us a couple of lines in the news, and we destroy our supplies, burn fuel, motor resources.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 16 August 2012 18: 51
                  +1
                  Destroy supplies, burn fuel and motor resources - it is called to develop skills in handling equipment and improve your experience! Just what is missing! And there are so many old ammunition that you can fill up all of China, and not just one landfill! it’s better to dispose of them in this way, in order to benefit!
                  1. ViPChe
                    ViPChe 17 August 2012 18: 43
                    0
                    Mountain Altai - almost all in the conservation area. In addition to the Chinese, we will make priests in the face of all sorts of green-yellow -... etc. smile Realities about the landfill are very ghostly. dealt with these issues in three regions. .... Hnya!
          2. Varnaga
            Varnaga 16 August 2012 08: 48
            +4
            Than? For example, you can stop the supply of aircraft engines, after which the Chinese aircraft industry will quietly die.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 11
              +18
              Quote: Varnaga
              For example, you can stop the supply of aircraft engines, after which the Chinese aircraft industry will quietly die.

              Are we going to stock these engines or will they be giving out wages to the workers? I don’t know how the Chinese aircraft industry, but our factory will definitely die! laughing This is not an option! The border needs to be equipped, fortified areas created, as it was before! When everyone was falling apart, they didn’t think with their heads! Everyone in the army is trying to save! Until saved, called!
              I had a teacher at a military school, he was the head of the auto service of some Transbaikal Air Force army during the Daman crisis! So, he told me that on a combat alert, only in this army could 1500 combat aircraft be raised! And now we have so much for all the Air Force can’t get together with transport, etc. And what were the fortifications along the entire border ?! request request request
              1. Varnaga
                Varnaga 16 August 2012 09: 40
                +11
                Of course, he will die, especially taking into account the rearmament until 2020.
                Everyone in the army is trying to save!

                Specific examples
                I had a teacher at a military school

                I also have a second cousin of my granddaughter.
                only in this army could they raise 1500 combat aircraft!

                What `s next? Concrete examples of the capabilities of the Chinese army.
                (in aviation: 420 people (including 000 in air defense), about 220000 bp Aircraft and helicopter fleet: 4 N-000, 40 N-5 (Tu-110), 6 Q- 16, 300 J-5 (MiG-2), 500 J-6 (MiG-19), 700 J-7, 21 J-180 (Su-8), 65 Su-11MKK (not included in the combat train), 27 HZ-40 (Il-30, 40 JZ-5, 2 VAeTrident-100 E -6E, 18 Il-1, 2 Il-25, 14 Il-2, 18 Tu-15M, 76 Y-17 (An-154 ), 250 Y-5 (An-2 and -40), 7 Y-24 (An-26), 68Y-8, 12Y-15, 11 HY-8, 12 AS-6, 6 Bell 6, 332 Mi- 4, 214 Z-30 (Mi-8), 100 Z-5 (SA-4N).
                Question: what 1500 fighting our planes? Why, if even now the Chinese Air Force is a pretty pathetic sight?
                Well, for now, purely for thought, a map of China's railways.
                Threat for engines the option about which I wrote is really being considered, the first if that will be D-30KP.
                1. recitatorus
                  recitatorus 16 August 2012 09: 59
                  +12
                  Varnaga,
                  Do you propose to help Uyghuria become an independent state? .. good
                  1. edge
                    edge 16 August 2012 14: 17
                    +9
                    and at the same time regain independence to Tibet
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 16 August 2012 14: 22
                      +4
                      Quote: hert

                      and at the same time regain independence to Tibet


                      For one, we will return sympathy among Buddhists and India :) and Taiwan in the CSTO))))))
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 53
                        +2
                        ] Varnaga [
                        Continuation ......
                        2. This is the elimination of the rear in the RF Armed Forces! The army used to be like an independent organism within a state! Whatever happened to our state, the army could exist for about a year in the absence of any injections in the form of weapons, ammunition, military equipment, food, clothing, etc. only people were needed! Mobile reserves. Now we have switched to this outsourcing! The rear, warehouses were liquidated, and the worst thing is that they destroyed the mobilization component of our armed forces! The troops provide some strange civil organizations!
                        And yet, the most important thing in the troops is mobilization readiness! And the units of constant combat readiness are needed only in order to meet the enemy at the front line of our Motherland, to gain time, until the general mobilization has passed and the combat coordination of the units and units has been completed!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        You, my friend, think in terms of the Second World War, no one is going to fight conventional weapons with the Chinese, what are we developing and producing nuclear weapons for? This is the question of the armies.

                        Well no! That you do not understand clearly! Chernobyl jerked, the whole of Europe did not seem enough .......
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Next, what are 3 million? Source to the studio.

                        I agree with that! Looked at the sources. They have an army about the same as ours and the US in numbers!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Do you know what resources are needed for their at least logistical support "to provide"?

                        Big ones! For our millionth army, they are also needed, but who will provide them is not clear!
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Do you know what TVD is on both banks of the Amur?

                        I can only imagine .......... What I know for sure is clearly not enough of ours there ............
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.

                        I kind of answered all your questions .....
                      2. Stefano
                        Stefano 17 August 2012 06: 32
                        +1
                        Uiguria and Tibet will no longer be independent. China already about 5 years ago carried out the state. the program of the population of this region simply they took and diluted the local population of 10 mil. simple Chinese that's all.
                  2. Hon
                    Hon 17 August 2012 13: 22
                    +2
                    And the Chinese will begin to diligently help Tatarstan and the Caucasian republics in gaining independence! Who will be hurt?
                2. nycsson
                  nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Of course, he will die, especially taking into account the rearmament until 2020.

                  Until 2020, you still have to live! I just meant that a refusal to supply them with engines is a minus to our factory! An extra order, it’s not superfluous, agree!
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Specific examples

                  The reform of our army is a concrete example for you!
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  I also have a second cousin of my granddaughter.

                  Do not fall into childhood! Let's be more serious ........
                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Question: What are our 1500 combat aircraft?

                  Answer: ordinary, who fly, gain dominance in the air, and still bomb everything ........

                  Quote: Varnaga
                  Why, if even now the Chinese Air Force is a pretty pathetic sight?

                  What nonsense! Are you serious? And actually, what does the Chinese Air Force have to do with it when it comes to their army as a whole, and there are 3 million in it! Do you know how much they can put under arms?
                  1. Varnaga
                    Varnaga 16 August 2012 10: 38
                    +4
                    The reform of our army is a concrete example for you!

                    Another blahblah, more specifically. How many for example do we now have full-alert brigades before and after the reform?
                    Answer: ordinary, who fly, gain dominance in the air, and still bomb everything ........

                    So your teacher sang it to you?
                    What nonsense! Are you serious? And actually, what does the Chinese Air Force have to do with it when it comes to their army as a whole, and there are 3 million in it! Do you know how much they can put under arms?

                    You, my friend, think in terms of the Second World War, no one is going to fight conventional weapons with the Chinese, what are we developing and producing nuclear weapons for? This is the question of armies.
                    Next, what are 3 million? Source to the studio.
                    Do you know how much they can put under arms?

                    Do you know what resources are needed for their at least logistical support "to provide"?
                    Do you know what TVD is on both banks of the Amur?
                    Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 16 August 2012 11: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      Let’s until I hear the answers to these simple questions, I will consider the dialogue with you pointless.

                      I will answer all your questions, but a little later! forced to break off!
                      1. Sergh
                        Sergh 16 August 2012 12: 47
                        0
                        Quote: nycsson
                        but a little later! forced to break off!

                        Oh, Nixon picking Google, already Internet hangs! And it’s better to go out and consult the first Chinese about their army ...
                      2. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergh
                        Oh, Nixon picks Google

                        Not in Google but in Yandex.
                        Quote: Sergh
                        already Internet hangs!

                        Do not fantasize ...........
                        Quote: Sergh
                        And it’s better to go out and consult the first Chinese about their army ...

                        Not acceptable........
                    2. sancho
                      sancho 16 August 2012 12: 29
                      +5
                      Respected Varnaga! Undoubtedly, you are right in many ways.

                      Quote: Varnaga
                      no one is going to fight with the Chinese with conventional weapons, why are we developing and producing nuclear weapons?


                      Only about the "new" war. Even in recent history there was not a single example of the use of nuclear weapons in local wars (there is no need to take the Japanese-American conflict, not that example).
                      With the development of such a local conflict, the issue of the use of nuclear weapons will be very difficult. For where to gouge? On the territory of the conflict? Those. including in their own way. Or immediately in Beijing?
                      The question, I think, will be just ARCH. Apparently this is what our narrow-eyed brothers are counting on.
                      In my opinion, you just need to do the fortified areas. And, deploy advanced units in close proximity to a possible theater. I think that such actions will cool the hot caps of our neighbors. Because they will know the seriousness of our intentions.
                      And, now they reason logically. As long as there is no demarcation of the border, there are no cover troops within reach. Why not get it then?
                      Purely IMHO!
                      1. admiral
                        admiral 16 August 2012 12: 47
                        +4
                        Quote: sancho
                        Or immediately in Beijing?

                        And where else? .. And not only. There are too many of them to fight by conventional methods. And our slanted brothers should clearly understand that they will not get off Damansky. Otherwise, such provocations will become endless. What will they come up with tomorrow?
                      2. edge
                        edge 16 August 2012 19: 40
                        +1
                        well, so they celebrate the victory, they grabbed the land once, and suddenly it works out ....... it’s time for blocking the sources of Siberian rivers and we should make a claim to them.
                      3. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 16 August 2012 13: 46
                        +1
                        Thank you for your opinion, I will express my opinion.
                        You think in vain that no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, all these points are clearly stipulated and spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation. Moreover, there are many options for the development of events, from cooling hot heads with zero consequences for them, to the destruction of a "potential" enemy.
                        In my opinion, you just need to do the fortified areas.

                        And again, substitute them, like large formations under TNW.
                        Again, my pure IMHO.
                      4. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        You think in vain that no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, all these points are clearly stipulated and spelled out in the military doctrine of the Russian Federation.

                        As long as there is at least the slightest option for a retaliatory strike, not a single country will dare to strike the NSR! To neutralize such a response from the Russian Federation, we are surrounded by a missile defense system, both on land and at sea!

                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Moreover, there are many options for the development of events, from cooling hot heads with zero consequences for them, to the destruction of a "potential" enemy.

                        Share information ...........
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        And again, substitute them, like large formations under TNW.

                        I fundamentally disagree! Who will attack using nuclear weapons ???
                      5. ole
                        ole 16 August 2012 22: 39
                        0
                        nycsson,
                        [quote = nycsson] I fundamentally disagree! Who will attack with the use of nuclear weapons ??? [/ quot 100% well done.
                      6. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 19 August 2012 15: 46
                        0
                        To neutralize this response from the Russian Federation, we are surrounded by a missile defense system, both on land and at sea

                        On the land? Here is a video from the respected Dankomm about "land"
                        SM3
                        About the "sea". I have already repeatedly written about the R-30 SLBM OUT ("Bulova"), the parameters of its OUT make it practically impossible to intercept it, there are a number of reasons, one of them
                        Zircon-S
                        will work including on AEGIS.
                        Who will attack using nuclear weapons?

                        Really who? The rhetorical question, hehe. For example, the British, analyzing the possibilities of breaking through the Mannerheim line, came to the conclusion that it is impossible to overcome it without using nuclear weapons, now ask yourself the question: who will refuse to use it, having such a tidy goal and while preserving a lot of resources, both human and material ?
                      7. segamegament
                        segamegament 16 August 2012 14: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: sancho
                        With the development of such a local conflict, the issue of the use of nuclear weapons will be very difficult. For where to gouge? On the territory of the conflict? Those. including in their own way. Or immediately in Beijing?

                        Well, yes, YOU created, but they still haven’t learned to fuck. In terms of the number of tactical acts of the Russian Federation in first place in the world. Everyone is afraid of their applications. Tyazy and is a deterrent because they can even hammer 152 mm howitzer and higher. Pindocs with us are still so kind because They know that we have PITs, there are a lot of them, and we won’t bring them under any reductions. And on their application, a breakthrough to La Mnsh was developed during Soviet times. By the way, not a single fortified area will save against the use of tyaz. This is money down the drain.
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 16 August 2012 14: 53
                        +3
                        Just keep in mind that nuclear weapons are a double-edged sword. And this stick is not only with you, but also with the enemy.
                      9. Cosmonaut
                        Cosmonaut 16 August 2012 20: 31
                        0
                        Not difficult. In places of the enemy’s concentration. TNW is not such a powerful weapon.
                      10. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 21
                        0
                        Quote: sancho
                        And, now they reason logically. As long as there is no demarcation of the border, there are no cover troops within reach. Why not get it then?

                        I agree! The fortified areas there are needed so that no stupid initiatives arise!
                    3. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 16 August 2012 12: 57
                      +7
                      Varnaga- you respected yourself, what do you think you are carrying? Let's start with the TNW-PRC did not sign (especially not destroy) the BRMD and tactical charges (thanks to one awesome leader with a birthmark, we no longer have one) from China to the Urals and the shell will fly. It’s just idiocy to frighten a neighbor with a nuclear club: after exchanging greetings with TNW, will you live somewhere else, or are you on the same plane of survival with cockroaches and rats? they are no longer from fanEra, even if she does not have a large resource - it’s enough to get to us and shoot a damn well, they don’t have anything to do with a slingshot either; Stop throwing hats for nearly 41 years and it’s time to include a thought. it’s necessary to quietly calmly without personal involvement (but qualitatively) restore the fortified districts and begin to evict the Chinese from Russia. When I work in the Far East I saw firsthand the amount of *** and it becomes sad - another ten years and the problem of the Far East will disappear by itself.
                      1. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 16 August 2012 13: 38
                        +6
                        By TNW, well, and China's SNF.
                        Approximately the number of warheads in the Russian Federation is ~ 10000, in China, in aggregate with ICBMs ~ 400. Of them:
                        -DF-31A (APU) - 12 units, response potential at the "Temp-2C" level, single-headed.
                        -DF-5A (ICBM silos) -20 units, reciprocal potential, impact OM-zero, preparation time for launch ~ 1 hour, lack of normal SPRIAU.
                        -1 submarine type 092, never on combat duty.
                        -2 submarines of type 094 without RC (which will be based on -DF-31, smoke the story of the creation of P-30).
                        These are ICBMs that, for obvious reasons, will not work in the Russian Federation (USA).
                        BRDS.
                        ~ 300 pcs + work in Vietnam, India, Japan, Taiwan, etc. The response potential is also low, accuracy afflicts, etc.
                        or are you on the same plane of survival with cockroaches and rats?

                        What's the problem? You do not confuse the times when the United States and we had 30000 warheads. Here, check out the respected OperTak article.
                        The last argument of kings
                        restore fortified areas

                        And, imitating the Chinese with their own hands to create the most delicious target for nuclear weapons? Archistrategic, I bet 5.
                        Threat For the quick-eyed warning, smoke the rules of the site.
                      2. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 16 August 2012 20: 22
                        +1
                        Varnaga, the whole problem is not just how many there are, but 3-4 is enough for a 50-70 year old piece of the Motherland to become a desert and will not add joy to the rest of the population (without this the number of cancers goes off scale) The Chinese will not use the first nuclear weapons ( why do they need a lifeless desert) so that they will have to storm the fortified areas with simple weapons (this is archystrotegically accounted for) the use of heavy equipment in the distant and Transbaikalia is a real problem (I tested it on my own; the hills rose only on winches on the slopes even more interesting - gray hair only increased ) and against the infantry, good pillboxes and minefields + automatic fortifications (look at the firing points of the Motovilikhinsky factory) is a very serious thing, you’ll not only be able to pull up the nearest units, but also to drive pensioners from beyond the Urals on foot. It turns out a stalemate situation - war for the sake of war - will cool any hotheads. At the expense of the rules I repent - I was wrong
                      3. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 19 August 2012 15: 56
                        0
                        and the fact that 3-4 is enough for a 50-70 year old piece of the Motherland to become a desert

                        Who told you that? Don't you confuse "cobalt" warheads, which ours can easily use in Chinese cities with "conventional" ones?
                        It turns out a stalemate situation - war for the sake of war - will cool any hotheads.

                        Exactly, nobody needs this, neither we, nor China, for him a war with a state such as Russia is an automatic transition to the Stone Age.
                      4. nycsson
                        nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Varnaga
                        Roughly the number of warheads in the Russian Federation ~ 10000

                        Russia inferior to the United States in the number of deployed nuclear warheads Forum
                        10.04.2012, 07:00 "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - www.rg.ru
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                        Russia now has 1492 deployed nuclear warheads, the United States - 1737.

                        Such information is contained in the next certificate on the implementation of the Russian-American Treaty on Measures to Further Reduce and Limit Strategic Offensive Arms (the new START), ITAR-TASS reports.

                        At the same time, Moscow is currently armed with 494 operational deployed nuclear warhead carriers, including intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), heavy bombers (TB) and ballistic missiles in submarines (SLBMs). The United States has 812 such carriers now.

                        In addition, in general there are 881 deployed and non-deployed launchers of ICBMs and SLBMs, as well as high-explosive ballistic missiles in Russia, and 1040 in the USA.

                        The information in the certificate is given as of March 1, 2012. It reflects the statistics officially provided by the parties to each other.

                        Earlier it was reported that Moscow and Washington last week for the first time exchanged telemetric information as part of the implementation of the new START.
                      5. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 19 August 2012 15: 58
                        0
                        Actually, I talked about nuclear weapons, it is not subject to accounting, reductions, negotiations, etc. Do not confuse with strategic nuclear forces, although everything is not transparent there, for example, recurrent potential, hehe.
                    4. Pimply
                      Pimply 16 August 2012 14: 52
                      -3
                      You understand that TNW is an extreme case. The Chinese also have it. And if a rocket flies on one side, on the other it flies too. Nuclear weapons - it is an extreme. And the Chinese understand this very well. Therefore, they will have to fight with weapons as usual
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 16 August 2012 15: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You understand that TNW is an extreme case.


                        Is there an extreme of the fact that you want to chop off your mother’s homeland? An invasion of the homeland, an invasion of the mother and must be punished very harshly and cruelly!
                      2. segamegament
                        segamegament 16 August 2012 17: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You understand that TNW is an extreme case. The Chinese also have it. And if a rocket flies on one side, on the other it flies too

                        In China, tactical missiles - no more than 250 in the Russian Federation more than 10 pieces, well, where can they compete? ON ICBMs the same parsley. But they are afraid of Tyazovs - it’s mobile, secretive and suddenly, precisely and terribly painful ...
                      3. nycsson
                        nycsson 17 August 2012 08: 09
                        0
                        Quote: segamegament
                        In China, TYAZOV - no more than 250; in Russia, more than 10 000 pieces, well, where should they compete?

                        Yes, not 10000, but 1492! I posted the article above ........ I get the impression that the people here have no idea what a vigorous bomb is and what consequences there will be from its use! Some kind of kindergarten .........
                      4. REPA1963
                        REPA1963 18 August 2012 01: 53
                        0
                        NESAD and nursery judging by the bombing.
                      5. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 19 August 2012 15: 59
                        +1
                        Some kind of kindergarten .........

                        That's it, learn the materiel, do not disgrace.
                      6. segamegament
                        segamegament 20 August 2012 10: 47
                        0
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I get the impression that the people here have no idea what a vigorous bomb is and what consequences there will be from its use! Some kind of kindergarten .........


                        "... The Western media are circulating data that the United States has significantly less tactical nuclear warheads than Russia. The United States allegedly has 1200, of which 500 are on alert. 200 of the latter are deployed in Europe. Russia, according to unofficial data, and there were no others, there are 5400 such warheads, two thousand of which are in a state of combat readiness ... "Alexander Borisovich Shirokorad" Atomic ram of the twentieth century "" Veche "2005 onwards.

                        nycsson you are funny. Kindergarten is to write about "atomic bombs" while not distinguishing the number of Tactical nuclear charges - TYZ from Strategic nuclear charges - SNZ. Do not disgrace the schoolboy, finish your studies, go homebrew smart guy ...
                      7. Pimply
                        Pimply 17 August 2012 15: 20
                        0
                        Do you understand that what they have is enough to cover all the main cities?
                      8. 77bor1973
                        77bor1973 16 August 2012 19: 09
                        +3
                        You at least take a look at the theater, it’s mountains and therefore the use of heavy equipment is limited, there is almost no roads, low population density! Only mountain parts and local indigenous people will be able to fight there.
                      9. Cosmonaut
                        Cosmonaut 16 August 2012 20: 35
                        0
                        TNW is not an extreme case.
                    5. nycsson
                      nycsson 16 August 2012 21: 51
                      -1
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      Another blahblah, more specifically.

                      I could say the same about you! But I will limit myself to the following: I express my personal opinion. I do not impose him on anyone, but uphold, according to my views and beliefs. Let us respect each other, even if our views are directly opposite.
                      Quote: Varnaga
                      How many for example do we now have full-alert brigades before and after the reform?

                      Well, before the reform, if you do not know, we had a divisional structure! If you believe the first channel, then the teams made 96! These are all: tank, motorized rifle, special, etc.
                      Now about the reform! I will only give an example of the most obvious shortcomings that directly affect the defense capability of our country! I will only express my opinion!
                      1. This is a lifetime! To date, all units equipped with conscripted soldiers are practically not combat-ready! For a year a soldier cannot be taught to shoot from a tank, to control it, especially in conditions close to combat! This is what I’m talking about the ground forces, and if you take the fleet, it’s even worse there!
                      Everything did not fit ........ The ending above .....
                      1. Varnaga
                        Varnaga 19 August 2012 16: 02
                        +1
                        How many for example do we have brigades now full alert before the reform and after?

                        Well, before the reform, if you do not know, we had a divisional structure!

                        What structure?
                        This is a lifetime!

                        The acquaintance returned from service, the anti-sabotage unit, Cap. Yar. For a year, they trained so that Mom did not cry, every day training, exercises, shooting, marching throws, etc. Bad, huh? Is it better to paint borders and make cubes of snow, as with General Eagles earlier?
                    6. Hon
                      Hon 17 August 2012 13: 43
                      0
                      Our generals then took one of the Grozny landing regiments! We will deal with China with two landing regiments.
                  2. Cosmonaut
                    Cosmonaut 16 August 2012 20: 28
                    +1
                    Do you know how much we can put under arms? The Chinese are militarily weak, the technology is not important, the people who use it are important.
              2. apro
                apro 16 August 2012 11: 43
                0
                The most important fortifications we should have in the Kremlin, the demands of the PRC stating our weakness and dependence on the PRC of Russia need to be strong and independent economically and financially. By the military way we will only achieve ourselves by ruining. But how to defend our own if we are petitioners from China? it is possible that China acts with the approval of the SGA in pursuit of its goals.
              3. sancho
                sancho 16 August 2012 12: 18
                0
                Quote: nycsson
                in this army could raise 1500 combat aircraft!


                I agree with you! How many parts disbanded .... Su ... ki! There for many kilometers only border guards stand. Naked border areas nowhere else to go. If something happens, while we pull the troops there, they will all plant cucumbers with cabbage there ..... am
                1. Sergh
                  Sergh 16 August 2012 12: 53
                  +7
                  Quote: sancho
                  they are already there all cucumbers with cabbage all planted .....

                  Don’t be afraid, peasants, under Novosib, we put all their cucumbers under the plow, and narrow-eyed kicked them out, absolutely! We do not respect the Chinese, so what then, they surrender tightly to us, we will roll into the asphalt.
            2. Hon
              Hon 17 August 2012 13: 19
              0
              And pindets to our aircraft industry without export orders. And also the Chinas will file a lawsuit in international arbitration and sue the shitty penalty. To evil mom frostbitten ears)))
          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 August 2012 09: 50
            +8
            Quote: nycsson
            And how are you going to "water" them,


            Matyukami

            Of the seven military districts of China, the most powerful are the districts with headquarters in Beijing and Shenyang adjacent to the border with the Russian Federation (the first is oriented to the Siberian Military District of the RF Armed Forces, the second to the Far East). These districts account for 4 of 9 tank and 6 of 9 mechanized divisions, 6 of 12 tank brigades of the PLA ground forces. Another 2 armored divisions and 1 brigade are part of the district with headquarters in Lanzhou (occupies the western part of the country, oriented to Central Asia, Mongolia and Siberia west of Lake Baikal), and 1 armored, 1 mechanized divisions, 2 armored and the only mechanized in the PLA brigades are part of the Jinan District, which is located in the center of the country and is a strategic reserve for the Beijing, Shenyang, Lanzhou and Nanjing districts.

            In particular, the 38th Army of the Beijing Military District is a training ground for practicing new organizational measures and ways to use new types of military equipment. The artillery in this army is fully automated, it is still inferior in accuracy to the American, but has already surpassed the Russian one. Armored forces are being updated quickly, the rate of their offensive according to the experience of exercises is higher than in the RF Armed Forces. In particular, the 38th Army includes the fully automated 6th Panzer Division, equipped with Toure 96 tanks. The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day). Finally, the same army includes the 4th anti-aircraft missile brigade, the most modern formation of the Chinese military air defense (includes, in particular, the Tor air defense division).
            About 10 thousand main tanks are in service with the SPLAA (450 Tur 90II, 1200 Tur 96, 200 Tur 98, 400 Tur 88S, 500 Tur 88B, 1000 Tur 80, 500 Tur 79, 200 Tur 69, 5500 Tur 59) and 2 thousand lungs (1200 Toure 62, 800 Toure 63). Modern tanks include the Toure 90II, Toure 96 and Toure 98 tanks, the latter being considered to be almost as good as the best Western tanks (M1A2, Leopard-2A6). All three of these types of tanks are armed with a 125 mm cannon, similar to the one installed on Russian tanks (starting with the T-64A).
            About the same can be said about the PLA artillery (up to 15 thousand guns, including 1200 self-propelled guns, up to 10 thousand mortars, up to 4 thousand MLRS). In China, very significant attention is paid to rocket artillery, the power of which the Chinese experienced on themselves during the second battle for Damansky Island. Here, a number of heavy MLRS (Toure 83, A-100, WM-80, WS-1) caliber from 273 to 320 mm. Only the American MLRS and the Russian Smerch can compare with them in terms of firepower.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              Matyukami

              Well, if so, then "I agree"! laughing laughing laughing
              I’ll try to find information about the Chinese army .......
            2. yak69
              yak69 16 August 2012 13: 39
              +5
              In a word, the conclusion is as follows: if in the war with China every day 1 units of manpower are destroyed, then in a year 000 will be destroyed !! And this is without a break for lunch and precursors. As a result, 000 people will remain.
              And this is provided that they will not resist. And when they begin to move quickly in small groups, 5 each, we will all have a little tight.
              Here, about the prospects we have with them ......
              laughing
            3. Cosmonaut
              Cosmonaut 16 August 2012 20: 41
              0
              And now what? In the pants to impose or run away? Their strength is only in the amount of human resources and that’s it.
              1. Hon
                Hon 17 August 2012 13: 53
                0
                In terms of armament, they are not inferior to us (except for aviation). In economic terms, they are many times stronger than us. And they don’t have a stool !!! But we will not fight because there is nuclear weapons, in addition, cooperation is much more important than 17 GA. The Chinese can go the other way, using the corruption of our power to get these lands without a fight.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 17 August 2012 15: 22
                  0
                  They do not have time for a long journey. Strong impatient.
                  They have nuclear weapons, and it does not serve as a guarantee that there will be no war - Damansky, remember, a test of the pen, so to speak. Or Indo-Chinese territorial conflicts.
                  1. REPA1963
                    REPA1963 18 August 2012 01: 56
                    0
                    It is better to recall the Great Ussuriysk.
            4. curious
              curious 17 August 2012 14: 54
              +1
              Vadivak
              and therefore the question arises: why is China creating such a force grouping in the Russian direction?
          4. edge
            edge 16 August 2012 14: 15
            +1
            we will always find what to water neighing neighbors
          5. afire
            afire 16 August 2012 14: 45
            -1
            put together a bunch of people like you, and merge them through the fence .... non-Russian earhook
          6. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 20 August 2012 18: 41
            0
            In fact, one 58th army calmed the glorious Georgia exactly 4 years ago. In my memory, China was hitting Vietnam, from which it sharply cut in full and calmed down for several decades. Let me remind you Taman ...
            You, as children, chesslovo ...
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 16 August 2012 10: 33
          +6
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that near the states they nest their bases

          It is necessary for the Chinese to hint that Alaska is our former patrimony, here there are concessions both possible and desirable. Or a former Fort Ross in California ...
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 August 2012 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: Kaa
            The Chinese need to hint that Alaska is our former patrimony,


            Yeah, sell debt to a collection agency
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 16 August 2012 12: 05
              0
              Quote: Vadivak
              sell debt to a collection agency

              I remember the good old Soviet times: The economy should be economical. It will be possible for the "collectors" "Mistrals to help ... in transporting a couple of million settlers ... In the end, they have our former" Varyag "for" ice reconnaissance ". soldier
          2. Hon
            Hon 17 August 2012 13: 56
            0
            Are you completely fucked up, that the USA has done you a bad thing, that you are setting it up like that?
        3. Letun
          Letun 16 August 2012 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: esaul
          Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy! "

          Russia has one ally left - that is nuclear weapons.
          1. ViPChe
            ViPChe 17 August 2012 18: 53
            0
            It is like a baldness pill, nuclear weapons! Hair still falls out! Nuclear weapons, according to all concepts, is suicide and therefore can not be a panacea for a mentally normal organism!
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 16 August 2012 14: 49
          0
          Are you laughing Their border is not with the States, but with Russia. And there are many more territorial claims against Russia than are voiced now
        5. pirate technician
          pirate technician 16 August 2012 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that near the states they nest their bases ...

          esaul, I also do not mind that they build bases only to be far away from us, otherwise they are already tired of them already in the Amur Region.
        6. tuts
          tuts 16 August 2012 18: 07
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy


          and strategic missile forces
        7. 16 REGION
          16 REGION 9 November 2012 11: 38
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          I, in principle, do not mind that they nest their bases near the states ... Then those will have less headaches for our "unrighteous life"! True, this is a double-edged sword - it is not the first time for minke whales to block with those who can pile them on the very tomatoes. So here, too, a kind of alliance is possible. So the words - "Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy are the indisputable truth for centuries for us!"

          golden words army and navy, there were no other friends and certainly will not be!
      2. Ataturk
        Ataturk 16 August 2012 09: 12
        +2
        Quote: piratehnik
        Our narrow-eyed friends warmed themselves up, and that’s them. Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.


        They don’t need it! So many countries around China. And they will not save Syria. Maybe Iran will be saved due to the fact that oil. This is max. And they don’t need the USA. There, their Chinese sea. They are already a splinter there.
        1. edge
          edge 16 August 2012 17: 29
          0
          The Gobbi desert is approaching, so it moves them to relocation. And it is possible to climb only to Russia and Mongolia.
      3. baron.nn
        baron.nn 16 August 2012 12: 10
        0
        pirate technician:
        At the borders of America, let them build their bases and let them jump over with them! They wouldn’t meddle with us, but for this we need to strengthen the border militarily!
      4. Simon
        Simon 17 August 2012 20: 37
        0
        Yes, America then let them build their bases, but let them not come to us. stop
      5. 16 REGION
        16 REGION 9 November 2012 11: 35
        0
        pirate technician,
        FROM THE USA BORDERS WILL NOT BE BASED AS MUCH MUTUAL SYMPATHY FRIENDS TO FRIENDS BASED ON GOODS TURNOVER
    2. Committee
      Committee 16 August 2012 08: 11
      +7
      A sobering shower? And they gave 340 km to them, what is it?
      1. esaul
        esaul 16 August 2012 09: 05
        +2
        Quote: Committee
        And 340 km was given to them, is that

        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?


        Now, if you worked hard and looked for the answer yourself, and did not ask how Zhvanetsky through the viewing slot - "Dap, Dap ...?" and did not multiply your question on the branch, you would have seen that this action was the fulfillment of the agreements laid down and reached by very patriotic leaders back in the USSR. It's just that for a long time in Russia, China had no one to negotiate with regarding the implementation of the agreements reached earlier.
        To make your work easier for you, I give a link (one of many)

        http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/1016662/

        Well, in order for you - in scrap --------

        By the 1991 year, as a result of negotiations lasting from the 1969 year on the territorial issue, the parties finally managed to come to a compromise. The key to it was a concession on our part - the USSR, at its departure, agreed to cross the border with China along the fairway of the Amur and Ussuri. As a result, 90% of the eastern part of the border with China was agreed and on 16 on May 1991 in Moscow, representatives of the USSR and China signed a border agreement, which was confirmed in 1996 by an agreement between the Russian Federation and China -------------

        In the 2005 year, this arrangement simply received a residence permit De jure
        1. Committee
          Committee 16 August 2012 09: 25
          +8
          Nooo, I'm not in scrap. And I do not care about agreements if they involve the rejection of our territories in favor of other states. No "patriotic" "considerations" can justify the transfer of our land to foreigners. Therefore, I repeat the question WHO SPECIFICALLY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT according to which 340 square kilometers of OUR land was transferred to the Chinese?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 34
            +2
            Quote: Committee
            Therefore, I repeat the question. WHO SPECIFICALLY SIGNED A CONTRACT according to which the 340 square kilometers of OUR land went to the Chinese?

            May I answer? If I’m not mistaken, I will give DAMS to the Chinese, and I don’t remember exactly the Norwegians' GDP or vice versa!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 32
          +2
          Quote: esaul
          You would see that this action was the implementation of the agreements laid down and reached by very patriotic leaders back in the USSR.

          It's funny! And the current "leaders" lack their own political will, do you think it turns out !? Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???
          1. Ribwort
            Ribwort 16 August 2012 09: 41
            +4
            Quote: nycsson
            Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???

            Absolutely correctly posed question. No verbal agreements have legal force until they are executed in the form of relevant documents. Mikhail Gorbachev, in words, also promised a lot of things. And the Americans and NATO ... AND WHAT? So, no matter how much Mr. ESAUL does not try to whitewash our leaders, the responsibility lies with those who legally formalized and signed all this, as they say. And here are the facts on the face.
          2. Ataturk
            Ataturk 16 August 2012 09: 47
            +4
            In no case even a handful of land to the Chinese. Who are they to give them anything? At least once in something or something, to make a concession to them, then pi-pez. They are one of those when you hold out your finger, they will tear off your hand. The limits of greed in such persons do not exist. You just have to hit in the face to understand who is who. No dialogue. They are not ashamed to speak their pretensions, YOU ARE NOT ashamed to hit their faces.
            What a hello, such an answer. We slept and woke up. Earth wanted. I really hope that the answer will be HARD from Russia.
            Never on land matters need dialogue. Immediately give a HARD response. To discourage the future. Better yet, PRESENT the Chinese their claim to the earth. Northern part of CHINA.

            How I hate those who sleep, sleep, and abruptly wake up saying my land is from a stranger.
            The Chinese must be beaten. NO DIALOGUE. They still won’t understand!
            1. Gemar
              Gemar 16 August 2012 12: 05
              +3
              Quote: Ataturk
              No dialogue

              The only right decision! At the highest level, demand an end to the provocation, otherwise explain to them that we will no longer support them on the issues of Taiwan and other "disputed" territories. They did not support the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And also, to support Japan and India on the issue of "disputed" territories with China. Call everything an ultimatum! In the light of recent events, an outpost must be quickly set up there. Otherwise, in the evening we will go to bed, in the morning we will wake up - and there they have already rebuilt a city with 3000 jaundice. Then they cannot be squeezed out without stirring up the conflict.
            2. edge
              edge 16 August 2012 17: 32
              +1
              and Kyrgyzstan is an example of this, they grabbed 30.000 hectares of land .......
            3. kush62
              kush62 17 August 2012 16: 42
              0
              Ataturk Well, send there the Azerbaijani international special forces. After your arrival at the pilot, the Hero of Russia does not believe in the sincerity of your wise advice. Maybe in his native country something useful to do. Give out helpful tips.
          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 August 2012 09: 57
            +8
            Quote: nycsson
            Who prevented the "wipe" with these "agreements" ???


            Good question, the answer floats on the surface

            Kemska volost? Take away the state does not impoverish
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 27
              +2
              Quote: Vadivak
              Good question, the answer floats on the surface

              For me personally, the answer has long been obvious! It is a pity that not for everyone ........
    3. John
      John 16 August 2012 08: 23
      0
      That our Altaians of the Chinese for these 17 hectares will be bitten)))
      1. spender
        spender 16 August 2012 08: 32
        +11
        It's time to remember the song "We don't want a stranger's land, but we won't give up our top too !!!", give us a finger, bite off to the elbow !!! Under no circumstances can you make concessions, strengthen the border presence and strengthen the border regime, dugouts will be dug out of these devils, our village will say we have been living here for a thousand years. That's when UAVs are needed for control, and we have a lag in them request
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 August 2012 08: 40
          +8
          Quote: spender
          strengthen border presence and strengthen border regime,

          Hi Alexey, the absence of transitions and border control is not the basis. In Primorye there are places where there aren’t any border guards, you don’t understand anything without jeeps on whose territory you are. China needs a reason for some of its goals.
          1. spender
            spender 16 August 2012 08: 47
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In Primorye there are places where there aren’t any border guards, you don’t understand anything without jeeps on whose territory you are. China needs a reason for some of its goals.

            Sanya did you see their tactics? On the controversial island, a village was built and its declared belay So here, too, there will be a quiet expansion, they have a lot of people, whatever territory you want to "master". It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and to set up border posts in disputed places, at a distance from the border, so as not to provoke, but taking into account that they control the territory and prevent "self-seizure" and unauthorized construction. To create a testing ground for testing SZO (multiple launch rocket systems) and conduct "exercises" on a regular basis (Damansky, they must remember)
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 August 2012 08: 57
              +4
              Quote: spender
              It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and set up border posts

              Alexei, maybe in the supply of an excessive number of outposts we lose. I was in February in Blagoveshchensk in the early 2000s. From our side, border guards don’t let people go on ice, and with Kitaiiska up to the fairway Chinese fishermen are strewn. Border guards from our defend the border better than from the Chinese. A Russian peasant came and set up a hut and the Chinese would not move there anymore, you could get a shovel.
              1. spender
                spender 16 August 2012 09: 05
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Border guards from our defend the border better than from the Chinese.

                Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times "God forbid, we will provoke an international scandal!"
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                A Russian peasant came and set up a hut and the Chinese would not move there anymore, you could get a shovel.

                We have few people smile Everyone in large cities settles, who will live in the taiga request
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 16 August 2012 09: 15
                  +7
                  Quote: spender
                  who will go to the taiga

                  And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house. I was in taiga, there really are places from which the breath and trout are breathtaking, you can almost catch hands. We fished for a female earring wassat
                  1. spender
                    spender 16 August 2012 09: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house. I was in taiga, there really are places from which the breath and trout are breathtaking, you can almost catch hands. We fished for a female earring

                    Don't confuse "underground" from the tax authorities with the settlement of the territory, these are slightly different concepts wink
                  2. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 16 August 2012 10: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And I would love to, somewhere far away from civilization, I’ve opened a house.


                    It is useless, in the territory of our Motherland there are minerals everywhere, it is not difficult to extract and sell which Sasha will find you and put you next or a drilling or dig a quarry, and at best they will ask you to free the territory
                    1. Darn
                      Darn 16 August 2012 14: 18
                      0
                      Hello Vadim
                      It is useless, in the territory of our Motherland there are minerals everywhere, it is not difficult to extract and sell which Sasha will find you and put you next or a drilling or dig a quarry, and at best they will ask you to free the territory

                      But there are many abandoned villages, towers will definitely not come there to set up
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 16 August 2012 10: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: spender
                  Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times


                  So in the leadership all the former communists
                3. stariy
                  stariy 16 August 2012 12: 20
                  +1
                  Well, this is an old tradition, since Soviet times “God forbid, we will provoke an international scandal!” I do not quite agree with this, the Makanchinsky detachment served in 86-88, 300 meters on our territory was an excuse to beat the face, and they often beat me. well, they also guarded from their own
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 16 August 2012 10: 19
              +5
              Quote: spender
              San, have you seen their tactics? They built a settlement on the disputed island and declared it to be their own. So there will be a quiet expansion, they have a lot of people, whatever territory you want, they will "master". It is necessary to "resist" and at the diplomatic level and to set up border posts in disputed places, at a distance from the border, so as not to provoke, but taking into account that they control the territory and prevent "self-seizure" and unauthorized construction. To create a testing ground for testing SZO (multiple launch rocket systems) and conduct "exercises" on a regular basis (Damansky, they must remember)


              Greetings from hi souls you Alexey and you hi Alexander looking at your avatars in the neighborhood just wants to say how they complement each other. laughing
              In name and content I will be extremely brief and I will answer with a good Russian proverb, it’s just in place

              APPETITE COMES WITH EATING!

              only give free rein to the Chinese ........
      2. general-oberst
        general-oberst 16 August 2012 08: 56
        +1
        Woke up. It’s necessary to adapt the screensaver there these days, and then run into narrow-eyed ones. You say that they got fucked up, you didn’t see anything in your own clicks, as we are standing here from time immemorial and will stand. am
      3. sancho
        sancho 16 August 2012 12: 42
        0
        Than? The bees? Sarcasm....
    4. with
      with 16 August 2012 08: 28
      +8
      Quote: esaul
      A sobering shower is required for our Chinese friends
    5. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 34
      0
      about 340 square kilometers of "disputed" territories.
      laughing Do not put a finger in their mouth, they will bite them off their elbows! Well, we laughed at that time in full, and why not try again this time !? laughing There are simply no words ...........
      1. esaul
        esaul 16 August 2012 08: 43
        0
        Quote: Committee
        And 340 km was given to them, what is it?

        Quote: nycsson
        about 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories


        Repeat these words 338 times, it may feel better ...
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 16 August 2012 08: 53
          +4
          Quote: esaul
          Repeat these words 338 times, it may feel better ...

          If it gets better, it won't get better ... And the job has already been done. The territory was given away. I just now remember the times when they just started talking about this gift and there was no reliable information. Wow, how then the supporters of the authorities "fiddled", arguing that this could not be, in principle, and such a decision would put an end to Putin's political career. Delivered? Wash yourself guys - you are no stranger to it. Or to remind about how the "demarcation measures" with the Scandinavians ended for Russia?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 17
            +4
            Quote: Ribwort
            Wow, how then the supporters of the authorities "fiddled", arguing that this could not be, in principle, and such a decision would put an end to Putin's political career. Delivered? Wash yourself guys - you are no stranger to it. Or to remind about how the "demarcation measures" with the Scandinavians ended for Russia?

            Yes, there are a lot of such examples! You are only a plus! Yours faithfully! "Derbanat" us from all sides, taking advantage of our weakness! am
            Quote: Ribwort
            Wash yourself guys - you don’t get used to it.

            That's for sure! As soon as they wash themselves, they begin to inflate again: Hurray, we will tear them all if that! Long live the GDP! Long live EdRo! Ugh ......! I have no words! fool
      2. with
        with 17 August 2012 00: 22
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        about 340 square kilometers of "disputed" territories.

        Gentlemen MODERATORS, please give a decent answer, otherwise I just do not have enough time.
        Sincerely, Sergey. (Not a travel agent)
    6. Ataturk
      Ataturk 16 August 2012 09: 10
      +7
      Hello my friend.
      I have always said that an ally will never come from the Chinese. They are still so-lo-chi. SHI SHI speak and laugh and shove a knife behind their back. They slowly populate the entire eastern part of Russia. These are still those Chinese. I hate them. When necessary, they turn on DURKU, and they don’t understand how they’re smiling. Although the plan is ready. I said a thousand times, they will still arrange a headache for everyone. I really hope that in Russia there will never be CHAINTAUN. I hate them. Photocopiers. Brains are not enough. My wish to God would have given up all their goods. And not a fig to sell them weapons.

      Hands and feet, I am for Russia. They are terribly cunning ... opy !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 August 2012 09: 17
        +7
        Quote: Ataturk
        . I really hope that in Russia there will never be CHAINTAUN.

        Hi Omar, if I was in Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese request
        1. spender
          spender 16 August 2012 09: 21
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          if I’ve been to Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese

          In Moscow, at the markets, there are also such, but not a single Russian will voluntarily agree to live there, they are the same rooms and warehouses, cockroaches and the smell of fried herring and something else, all look the same, it is not possible to distinguish documents, they pass documents to each other and cannot be proved. At one time, I did it in such "cesspools" ... laughing
        2. Ataturk
          Ataturk 16 August 2012 09: 30
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Omar, if I was in Ussuriysk, there are hotels where Russians are not accommodated, only for the Chinese


          This is Russia? If so, on the number of them. DIPPED SOON? LOST FEAR? HOW DOES THIS RUSSIAN M pancake on the ground can't go wherever pleasing? ON THE NUMBER OF CHINESE. Not enough of their land? It was not enough to multiply! They say that flattery is not decent in someone else’s pocket, but I’m honest, I really support Russia in this topic. Russia has directed its gaze to other problems, and there the Chinese are already populating the east.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 16 August 2012 12: 32
            +3
            It is urgent to withdraw from the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles. The United States declares that, by analogy with missile defense, our missiles pose no danger to anyone.
            CHINESE - EARTH'S PARASITES.
            I was in Guangzhou and neighboring "villages" - Foshan (there is a temple where Bruce Lee practiced, Lee Little Dragon in Chinese, also there is the largest furniture market in the World), Dongguan (forgive them noble ... Chinese women) ... The Chinese proudly call towns of 2-3 MILLION people "villages" there. They understand perfectly well that this is no longer a village, but a city, but they want to emphasize that in ten years from a village of 100-200 thousand, a city with skyscrapers, a metro and an airport grows in China. But, anyway, this city is called a village and they proudly look at you. So, going from Guangzhou to Foshan, skyscrapers, skyscrapers, skyscrapers again ... belay Oops !!! Signboard - Foshan! belay How? And where are the distances between cities? Where's the green stuff? It turns out that one city for 20 million drastically flows into the village from skyscrapers for 2-3 million! Those. there are two skyscrapers nearby, one is listed as Guangzhou, and the other is a Village forgive me ... that is, the other. Between them, a sign - welcoming visitors to cities. There is no forest! There is no water! The metro goes from one city to another! FULL !!!
            Over all of China could. It would be better if our president could ... Give them a decent answer. Namely: bring down ... with your claims. And announced the teachings on the border! Like, there is still gunpowder!
            By the way, DAM allowed jaundices to fly over us. And here is what we got!
          2. Trapperxnumx
            Trapperxnumx 16 August 2012 16: 57
            +1
            Quote: Ataturk
            Not enough of their land?

            The program was recently broadcast by "zomboyaschik" about the Chinese on the Volgograd land. Hard. Those who let them go there must be sent to China themselves, to a battery factory.
          3. esaul
            esaul 16 August 2012 17: 38
            +3
            Quote: Ataturk
            This is Russia? If so, on the number of them. DIPPED SOON? LOST FEAR? HOW DOES THIS RUSSIAN M pancake on the ground can't go wherever pleasing? ON THE NUMBER OF CHINESE. Not enough of their land? It was not enough to multiply! They say that flattery is not decent in someone else’s pocket, but I’m honest, I really support Russia in this topic. Russia has directed its gaze to other problems, and there the Chinese are already populating the east.


            Your comment, Mr. Azerbaijanian, is a frank mockery and I am very sorry that some members of the forum were led by this ernish, presented as sympathy ...
            Regarding your regrets that Russia has directed its gaze in the wrong direction, I think that the Russian leadership will somehow figure out where to look, not forgetting about the fact that under the peace-loving rhetoric, Azerbaijan is secretly weaving its web (and without any special sympathy for Russia and clearly squeezing Russia out of the region), trying to smooth over the delicate moments that arise between our countries in words, but in fact, in fact, by being involved in the anti-Russian fuss. I say this taking into account all the recent actions of AzR, which is alienating it from Russia. And all these "friendly" curtsies are nothing more than an effort to make this distance as painless as possible for AzR.
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 16 August 2012 21: 41
              -2
              Quote: esaul
              Your comment, Mr. Azerbaijanian, is a frank mockery


              Do you know what your trouble dear? My people and I know perfectly well what it is to lose land, what do you think, what do I feel when I see aggression and especially what, someone wants to chop off someone’s land? And what should I say bravely to China when I have personal connections with Russian citizens, having not only vertical Russian friends but also real ones.

              Quote: esaul
              then, I think, the Russian leadership will somehow figure it out - where should he look

              I hope and hope 2 islands on the Amur was the last gift of the Kremlin for the Chinese.

              Quote: esaul
              that under peace-loving rhetoric, Azerbaijan quietly weaves its web

              This is the right of every INDEPENDENT country!

              Quote: esaul
              and without much sympathy for Russia

              When you write this, I have a feeling that it’s not me, but you are kidding me. Show me 1 example, when Russia experienced at least a gram of sympathy for Azerbaijan, and I will give you 100 examples of how Azerbaijan is very partner-like, NOT WATCHING what the KREMLIN does. So do not do Kremlin angels! Everyone already knows who is who.

              Quote: esaul
              trying to smooth out the delicate moments that arise between our countries in words, but in fact, in fact, joining the anti-Russian fuss.

              Well, yes, Russia also tells us in words your Karabakh, and the UN voted AGAINST the resolution and if you have a conscience and not a lot of justice, tell yourself what you did in our place.

              Quote: esaul
              I say this, taking into account all the recent actions of the ADR, estranging it from Russia.

              And it will not be difficult for you to recall all the anti-Azerbaijani actions of Russia or to list me now.

              Valery, NEVER ASK FOR WHAT YOU DO NOT GIVE.
              This is friendly advice to you. God is not a fraer, he sees everything. Everyone will get what they deserve! Believe me!!!!
          4. with
            with 17 August 2012 01: 23
            +1
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      2. with
        with 17 August 2012 01: 22
        +1
        http://pesnifilm.ru/load/ne_bojsja_ja_s_toboj/quot_ne_bojsja_ja_s_toboj_quot_kak



        _zhili_my_borjas / 54-1-0-233 [media = http: //pesnifilm.ru/load/ne_bojsja_ja_s_toboj/
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        HEY .
        Look and puppies (in the sense, those who are trying to fight) let them see !!!
        And learn to respect ALL of us !!!!!! hi
    7. gas
      gas 16 August 2012 09: 19
      -3
      Pss))) And what do you want to sober them up? How many want so much and take! Do not forget that the entire Far East is already awash with the Chinese.
      1. recitatorus
        recitatorus 16 August 2012 10: 04
        +5
        gas,
        Would the will be cleared in an instant! .. I even know how! ..
      2. Ataturk
        Ataturk 16 August 2012 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: gaz
        Do not forget that the entire Far East is already awash with the Chinese.


        It is urgent to make amendments for the Chinese in the migration service.
        Land in Siberia, the contracts with the Chinese for the fact that they chop Taigu annul. They will know how to make a sound about the earth. All the Chinese guest performers back to China.

        I have always said that Russia should raise its army, HERE FOR THIS DAY I said so. WE ARE NOT ENEMIES OF RUSSIA .... We ate from the same bowl, the love and understanding and friendship of our grandfathers, the foundation of the relationship, was so strong that it was not too late for us to sit down and agree. Enemies are not we to each other, but the USA and CHINA.
        1. from Kiev
          from Kiev 16 August 2012 12: 33
          +3
          Yes, you, dear Ataturk, may not be the enemy, but your government is a great friend of our enemies. And you are either naive or Troll, which in no way decorates you on this forum.
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 16 August 2012 13: 14
            +10
            Quote: from Kiev
            Yes, you, dear Ataturk, may not be the enemy, but your government is a great friend of our enemies.


            I never considered the Russian people to be the enemy of the Azerbaijanis. Too many bonds bind us to think so.

            Quote: from Kiev
            And you are either naive or Troll, which in no way decorates you on this forum.

            Before writing this nonsense, CAREFULLY look at your flag. When your government sent air defense in Georgia to bomb Russian planes, then who are you? Who are you after YOUR government OFFICIALLY supported the TRANS-CASPIAN Pipeline? (AGAINST RUSSIA)
            Who are you, when YOUR government gave GOOD to destroy the strategic bombers of TU? When they were CUT, the pilots were crying like babies (ON THE PHOTO SEE THE FLAGS OF UKRAINE AND AMERICAN NEIGHBORING FROM THE AIRPLANE) Although you will not SEE THIS in Azerbaijan.



            Who are you when you supplied arms specifically to the enemies of Russia?
            Who are you, when you, flew to Azerbaijan to buy gas and oil and thereby annoying Moscow. Refusing Russian gas and oil.

            So what are you talking about nonsense dear? What do you think the loser is talking to you?
            I CAN'T tolerate when they are looking for dust in someone else's head and at the same time they do not see their LICE !!!

            So who and what decorates, I think it concerns everyone. Let everything remain on everyone’s conscience.

            AT LEAST, AZERBAIJAN IN NATO WASN’T STRONGED AND DOES NOT STRIKE THAT I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT UKRAINE. OR ALREADY FORGOT?
            1. from Kiev
              from Kiev 16 August 2012 17: 17
              +3
              Let the flag above my posts do not mislead you.
              My Ukraine is Ukraine from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka. At the same time, you can call this Ukraine Russia, the CIS Union, or something else.
              The general message to you - do not be so hysterical about the territorial claims of China, given the present moment - joint efforts with China to stop the Middle East crisis. At the same time, your nickname is unwittingly connected with the geopolitical interests of Turkey and Azerbaijan, which are in no way connected with the concern for Russia's prosperity. Well, if you want to answer for the position of official Baku on the issue of military cooperation with Russia, NATO, etc., it is interesting to see your comments on Russia's friendly position on the situation in Gabala, with American radars in the Caspian, about joint military planning with Israel. Why is Baku facilitating the penetration into the Caspian region of the military infrastructure of countries that are not traditional here? Again from purely neighborly relations with Russia? You can not answer. The question is rhetorical. In China, I consider the following position to be appropriate - some part of the border territory is really needed - please, but only in exchange for an equally interesting for Russia. In addition, the topic of building a promising gas pipeline through a section of this border did not somehow sound in comments. It is possible that these are not claims, but working drafts for the distribution of areas of responsibility for the technical side of the joint project.
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 16 August 2012 21: 52
                -3
                Quote: from Kiev
                My Ukraine is Ukraine from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka.

                Interesting. Can you repeat this among your nationalists? especially this phrase
                Quote: from Kiev
                call this Ukraine Russia



                Quote: from Kiev
                The general message to you - do not be so hysterical about the territorial claims of China

                My friend lives nearby. Therefore, I have the right to worry about the region where he lives and works and SERVES. Plus there are other factors for my concern.



                Quote: from Kiev
                At the same time, your nickname is unwittingly associated with the geopolitical interests of Turkey and Azerbaijan.

                And whose interests should my country represent? China? Or NATO, like Ukraine?



                Quote: from Kiev
                Your comments on Russia's friendly position on the situation in Gabala


                AND? There is a resort there, we want to preserve our ecology, especially since Russia has a replacement, and by and large we want our country to have only our army, not Turkish, not African, not NATO. Unlike Ukraine, American flags will not stand in Azerbaijan !!!

                Quote: from Kiev
                with American radars in the Caspian

                IIIII? In the Caspian, our wealth is, who sold from him and bought a radar. That’s all, and we have an enemy in the Caspian, thanks to Russia for selling the latest ship missiles, for which we are also happy and ROSOBORONEXPORT, which has received millions and the Russian people who work there, have the opportunity to eat and exist.


                Quote: from Kiev
                In China, I think the following position is appropriate - some part of the border territory is really needed - please


                The Chinese fig walrus and not territory. They are one of those who give a finger and tear off the whole hand.

                I hope you are not offended by my posts. I just hate those who ask for land that doesn’t belong to them, but I don’t know anyone else.
                1. from Kiev
                  from Kiev 17 August 2012 00: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  and we have an enemy in the Caspian

                  The fact of the matter is that your enemies are not the enemies of Russia.
                  I am sure that the multi-vector nature of your country's foreign policy will come out sideways. Even in Ukraine, this did not go to good use both from the West and from the East. That look will burst in half. And Azerbaijan will be a smaller caliber and will not be able to play these games for a long time. And all of your ostentatious demonstration of the self-worth of the common Soviet past looks like a smoke screen for the vanguard operations of the West. Glad to be mistaken. And there are no grievances. It’s just that your advice will unite with the United States, and with everyone who has contradictions with the PRC, it is now clearly provocative.
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 17 August 2012 02: 28
                    -2
                    Quote: from Kiev
                    The fact of the matter is that your enemies are not the enemies of Russia.


                    who knows dear who knows. Now is a difficult time, brother brother sticks a knife in the back. Who yesterday ate one more plate, today is the enemy. By God I do not want to raise this issue, but believe me, who knows, he knows who is who.

                    Quote: from Kiev
                    This did not go to Ukraine in Ukraine either from the West or from the East.

                    I hope that peace will come in Ukraine.

                    Quote: from Kiev
                    It’s just that your advice will unite with the United States, and with everyone who has contradictions with the PRC, it is now clearly provocative.


                    Believe me, you are mistaken. History has repeatedly shown that if you don’t give a face in time, then it will be too late.

                    When China presented territorial claims to Russia, Russia transferred almost 400 sq. Km of 2 islands to China. Instead of sending them in 3 letters. RESULT? They want again. Greed is such a thing that there is no depth, no breadth, no limits to greedy appetite. The farther the bigger. Here is the result. They want more land, only this time even more. And you offer mutual interest. What can be mutual interests with greedy people? You don’t need to communicate with such people, or send or beat!

                    This is my personal opinion.
        2. with
          with 17 August 2012 01: 47
          +1
          Just in case !!!!!! http: //topwar.ru/templates/rnns/bbcodes/c.gif
          How we lived fighting and not fearing death
          So now you and me live
          In heavenly heaven and mountain silence
          In the sea wave and in fierce fire.
          How we lived fighting and not fearing death
          So now you and me live
          In heavenly heaven and mountain silence
          In the sea wave and in fierce fire
          And in a furious, and in a furious fire.
      3. with
        with 17 August 2012 01: 33
        +2
        Quote: gaz
        The Far East is already awash with the Chinese.

        Fuck you concrete !!!!
        Today I spoke with D.V. and people said "DON'T HAVE THE BLAST".
    8. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 August 2012 09: 41
      +7
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!


      Since it’s greyhound it means they’re allowed, in Damansk it’s been tough for a long time and it’s not a greyhound
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Since it’s greyhound it means they’re allowed, in Damansk it’s been tough for a long time and it’s not a greyhound

        That's for sure! And now give something and nothing!
    9. urchik
      urchik 16 August 2012 09: 57
      +3
      Let China present a better claim to the United States for tearing off the Hawaiian Islands.
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 16 August 2012 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: urchik
        Let China present a better claim to the United States for tearing off the Hawaiian Islands.


        All that I wanted to tell, you can look at this video clip.

        1. from Kiev
          from Kiev 16 August 2012 12: 22
          +8
          Somehow a very interesting time was chosen by foreign guardians of Russian interests to run into China. China is a difficult partner, but he is a partner. I hope no one is in doubt about this.
          17 hectares is a piece of just over 400x400 meters. It seems to be not much, but if it is so important for China, and to exclude negative perceptions in Russia, an equivalent exchange must be made. Let's just say to a part of the island of Tarabarov. At the same time, annoying explanations of Atatürk’s love for Russia and a sharp negative for Russia’s ally in the Middle East region are very annoying. Ataturk, of course, the interests of Turkey are closer to you. But the interests of Turkey go in the wake of the interests of the Anglo-Saxons and therefore, really, one should not rely heavily on the serious support of anti-Chinese propaganda in the Russian Internet environment. At least for now. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
          1. esaul
            esaul 16 August 2012 18: 27
            +1
            from Kiev,

            Vadim, I welcome you, colleague! The comment is thorough and deep. My respect to you is a plus.
            1. from Kiev
              from Kiev 16 August 2012 21: 18
              0
              Glad to mutual understanding.
        2. UAZ Patriot
          UAZ Patriot 16 August 2012 14: 27
          0
          1. someone really wants to quarrel us
          2. while there is israel S.P.S. and England, someone really wants to quarrel us :)


          and you know why China will never attack Russia? - Yes, because there will be no Russia and China, they are not made with a finger and are well aware of their place in the world.
        3. El13
          El13 16 August 2012 18: 37
          +2
          Stupid video with unsubstantiated statements, very much in the subject today I read an article on CNews "Photos help to believe in lies"

          [http://rnd.cnews.ru/liberal_arts/news/line/index_science.shtml?2012/08/15/49954
          2]
    10. танк
      танк 16 August 2012 09: 58
      +2
      They even send America wherever they go, but our land has received enormous blood for our ancestors, here you are right to take serious measures, otherwise they will be stolen by hectares, only Moscow will remain
    11. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 16 August 2012 10: 13
      0
      Do not you want to arrange it, a shower in the sense.
    12. Joker
      Joker 16 August 2012 10: 22
      +7
      And almost a year ago I already said that in the end we will fight with China, and not with the USA, the Americans are writhing and afraid there, they are trying to destabilize the situation with our money, plus they are overseas, and China is here at our side, they don’t have a fleet to transfer troops, for that there’s a dime a dozen infantry, and here’s a tidbit next to it, carts of land and a small cart, also uninhabited, so I personally fear war with China, and the Americans are so busy in Africa and give god still years xnumx transported at such a pace.
      1. with
        with 17 August 2012 11: 31
        0
        Quote: Joker
        And almost a year ago I already said that in the end we will fight with China, and not with the United States,

        Sorry, but you are an ALARMIST!))) hi
        http://topwar.ru/17703-alarmistov-zakazyvali.html#comment-id-520837
      2. with
        with 17 August 2012 18: 56
        0
        Ha ha ha ha let me answer you tomorrow.
        By the way, I really like the word curb, as well as the word bullshit !!! drinks
        Oleg, you can write in a personal, but I’ll tell you right away that for my 44 years, I was not afraid of anyone and now, I AM NOT AFRAID!
        And your cons, keep yourself !!!! bully
    13. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 16 August 2012 10: 31
      +1
      China is not an independent country, it will creep out into the world powers in the next 20 years. "17th year of the primordially long-eyed land" Interestingly ... then I will ask you to return Ukraine, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, the Kars region in Turkey, Moldova, Transnistria, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan , Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, the territory of Poland to Warsaw, Finland, the Aleustky Islands, Hawaii, Alaska, California. "Primordially Russian lands".
    14. smrus
      smrus 16 August 2012 10: 50
      +6
      The article accumulates tension of recent years and especially of the last days in this direction, but what RUSSIAN not keep silent on this subject, then still alive in us soul RUSSIAN, and as long as we are NOT VICTORY !!!

      In the article, I highlighted one key paragraph in my opinion:

      It means that it is time for Russia to make it clear once and for all to any state in this world, no matter how friendly and loyal it may seem, that the territory of the country cannot under any circumstances be subject to interstate bargaining.


      It seems to me ours CHIEF COMMANDER this is exactly what adheres to (AND THANKS ALREADY THANKSsince we still have literal "YESTERDAY" and other examples of EBN were beaten), perhaps it would be appropriate here, without waiting for any bilateral Altai commissions, to send him a very specific (without unnecessary publicity and emotions, as he knows how - by phone tete-a-tete) their GENSEK that they say TSHOPPING TIME HARVEST BEGINNING FROM ALASKA AND BY THE 90s ENDED - this is dogma and that’s it. Then why is fishing in troubled waters ??? And if it starts to interfere with our joint big fishing ??? No, if you can’t do anything, they say the soul is so Chinese, then you can’t remove your complaints, but we put them in a basket with the Japanese islands and continue to live and love each other, but we kind of forget about it ...

      Well, somehow it seems to me that it will happen behind the curtain, well, and we will all draw conclusions for ourselves if something leaks out on this topic, AND DON’T EXPERIENCE WHILE RUSICHI, The morning is wiser than the evening...

      Lastly, forgive me, Sergei Alexandrovich Yesenin, let me adapt my GREAT poem to the situation:

      ..................................... If the Altai army shouts: ........ ...............................
      ..................................... "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!" ... ................................
      ..................................... then I will tell China, ........ .......................................
      ..................................... Fuck you my homeland. "....... ...................................


      Yes, but about threatening something to China, you need to forbid them to sing -
      ..................................... Not even rustles are heard in the garden, ...... ............................
      ..................................... Everything here froze until the morning ........ ....................................
      ..................................... If you knew how dear to me ..... ............................
      .....................................Moscow Nights........... .........................................


      PS Good luck to everyone !!! THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE cannot be restored by distributing one meter of its land, HE knows this.
    15. carbofo
      carbofo 16 August 2012 11: 29
      0
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      And lately they’re not shy.
    16. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 16 August 2012 11: 47
      +1
      Just send them ... "to the therapist"! About how they sent the states!
    17. baron.nn
      baron.nn 16 August 2012 12: 08
      +1
      esaul:
      China will continue to greet if measures are not taken from the Russian side! If we compare the military potential of northern Chinese and eastern Russian, then their logic will become clear. In the east of our country, a divisional structure should be preserved!
    18. Starksa
      Starksa 16 August 2012 12: 19
      0
      the same shower as in 1969, otherwise they probably forgot how we kicked their ass
    19. Neutral
      Neutral 16 August 2012 12: 49
      -3
      Since morning

      compare with the source

      and don't understand
      "laugh or cry"
    20. minister
      minister 16 August 2012 13: 28
      0
      showers in the form of nuclear warheads, and the next day will be like cucumbers, all green and pimples laughing
    21. mikula
      mikula 16 August 2012 16: 31
      +8
      esaul -China is just starting to openly greet!


      There has recently been an article on the slamming of China America regarding claims against foreign lands. Oh, how China was praised. And for my assumption that China and Russia can throw the same tricks on me, they suggested they put me in the cons by Mom herself. And now, not a week has passed before the slender ranks of the patriots angrily stomp China and distribute pluses to each other. I thought that adequate chatters came across here, but apparently I was mistaken. Yes, you can not bother yourself with the minuses, I'm retiring.
    22. Rustam
      Rustam 16 August 2012 17: 27
      0
      Yes, because Nehera was BB to give unilaterally to China disputed territories
      appetite comes with eating
    23. basal
      basal 16 August 2012 17: 31
      +2
      No need to get excited.

      Obviously, China is still probing the situation. The author is absolutely right:

      As history shows, any territorial indulgence in relation to a neighboring state, no matter how modest it is (indulgence), always becomes a precedent. The meaning of this is approximately the following: today you gave us 17 ha, tomorrow we will ask you for 25, and the day after tomorrow it will be possible to talk about more impressive areas. Concessions made once will lead to new and new territorial requirements.

      So we demarcated the border with China, trumpeted that there were no more problems forever ... (b / u Pres Medvedev?) Aha, shchazzz! "Great China" is again probing whether Russia is weak there? Nothing wrong. A good kick, like Damansky (now peacefully given to the Chinese), is sobering! While watching ...
      By the way, the Yaposhi and the Kurils are also trying to take it "weakly". Just give it up, they'll roll your lip to Sakhalin.
    24. sinandju
      sinandju 16 August 2012 17: 45
      0
      esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!

      And what did you want? They began to give up their lands - so it went and went. Even the swindler Georges Miloslavsky did not go to it and the tsar pulled back: "You can't get enough of any volosts that way." And we were silent for the most part.
    25. slas
      slas 16 August 2012 20: 17
      0
      Quote: esaul
      There the states almost sent letters for three letters.

      Well, through Tikhiy, you can certainly send it, especially when in the rear * friendly * Russia * and the mongrels of Amerikov Toko squeal
    26. 1976AG
      1976AG 16 August 2012 21: 26
      0
      How much can we come across the same rake? What serious reasons did we have for believing that the Chinese would not make us territorial claims? I just wrote the other day about it — how I looked into the water!
    27. Forward
      Forward 16 August 2012 22: 51
      0
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting

      Interesting, interesting ... They are about about. Daman already forgotten? angry
    28. lotus04
      lotus04 17 August 2012 03: 40
      +1
      Quote: esaul
      China is just starting to openly greyhound!



      Yes, they now have territorial claims will extend to the black sea. They are not stupid, they monitor the media. And there, in black and white, about how they scared the whole world with their "economic miracle. So they use the moment. In fact, there is no miracle. It's just the way it was with us in the 30s of the last century. Not a word in The media about the negative, immediately shooting, only a breakthrough positive. And the Americans can easily deal with them, cut off all their exports and end the Chinese miracle. We ask everyone to go to the rice fields. And the territories will not be needed right away. They will start fighting with the sparrows again.
    29. Hon
      Hon 17 August 2012 13: 03
      +3
      And how do you plan to sober up a country in which the army is twice as large as ours in number, and the mobilization resource is 600 million people? Moreover, the economy is much stronger than ours.
    30. saper
      saper 17 August 2012 23: 52
      +2
      no, just the Chinese are aware of who is at the helm in our country and how he easily distributes land. about. Svalbard is a prime example
    31. smel
      smel 18 August 2012 05: 07
      +1
      For this, they become strong so that the neighbors respect and listen to your opinion. The weak are destined to whine in the gateway
    32. azone
      azone 22 August 2012 23: 50
      0
      The maintenance of such an army is simply not profitable in their own country, and since they already have a peak in the development of the army, sooner or later they will have to put such forces somewhere. He calculated that for one offensive of the Chinese army deep into eastern Russia it would be critically huge, equal to two German blitzkriegs in vm2.
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 16 August 2012 07: 52
    +9
    China does not treat all countries delicately; they do not have a single country with a friendly attitude towards them.
    1. snek
      snek 16 August 2012 07: 56
      +7
      Quote: Knowing
      there is no country with a friendly attitude towards them.

      Love comes and goes, but national interests remain. And the Chinese are focused on them. It would not be bad for us to learn from them.
      1. Galina
        Galina 16 August 2012 12: 12
        +1
        Quote: snek
        It would not be bad for us to learn from them.

        especially in terms of reproduction of the population, because this is the real reason for the claims.
        Or find a way to democratically reduce their numbers.
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 August 2012 08: 54
      0
      Quote: Knowing
      China does not treat all countries delicately; they do not have a single country with a friendly attitude towards them.

      The rhino is big. But its size is not its problem. This is what is worth starting from.
  3. Igarr
    Igarr 16 August 2012 07: 57
    +11
    Yes, in no case should you give up the territory.
    Here is a good reason - to take this issue under control, and after six months to check - what has been done, how is it done, by whom is it done?
    And write a collective letter about squandering land.
    For some reason, it seems to me that our Fallen-soaked in all sorts of ... districts and other territories - they won’t fight for territories at all. Take the path of least resistance.
    I would like to make a mistake.
    ...
    And I’ll definitely take note of this problem.
    Greedy, damn it, thorns.
    1. Committee
      Committee 16 August 2012 08: 09
      +3
      340 km given away. WHO?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 41
        +3
        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?

        Guess two times! laughing laughing laughing
      2. Ribwort
        Ribwort 16 August 2012 08: 55
        0
        Quote: Committee
        340 km given away. WHO?

        Not otherwise, the communists are to blame or the machinations of "orangeism" ... lol
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 19
          +1
          Quote: Ribwort
          Not otherwise, the communists are to blame or the machinations of "orangeism" ...

          laughing laughing laughing He was just on the moon, and then suddenly fell! laughing laughing laughing
      3. Chuck-norris
        Chuck-norris 16 August 2012 10: 19
        +3
        In 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, drawing the border along the Amur fairway and opening it in favor of China, thus two islands with one movement of the Nobel handshake pen. Two islands ended up on the Chinese side of the shipping lane.
        Now the border was no longer passing along the water line from the Chinese side, as it was drawn in red pencil on a white map by the more worthy predecessor of Humpback, Count Muravyov-Amursky and along the channel of the Amur River. And sooner or later, the Chinese would have demanded their own - for good reason.

        Note - not Putin traveled the islands in 2005, but Gorbachev in 1991. I think so, he simply didn’t distinguish between such a forwer and such a boundary by cut, the main thing for him was to start the process.

        As for Putin, he bargained from Khudzintao at least part of the Greater Ussuriysk. The Chinese, I repeat, had every right to the whole island on the basis of papers signed by Gorbachev.

        http://du-bel.livejournal.com/84171.html вот тут хорошо рассказано местным жителем.
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 16 August 2012 10: 26
          +15
          Quote: Chuck-Norris
          In 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev signed a border treaty with China, drawing the border along the Amur fairway and opening it in favor of China, thus two islands with one movement of the Nobel handshake pen. Two islands ended up on the Chinese side of the shipping lane.


          But Gorbachev must be judged and necessary. I am sure the charges will be the sea! Necessarily necessary. Svoloch, such a country heaped up. All quarreled.
          ON THE NUMBER OF GORBACHEV

          1. from Kiev
            from Kiev 16 August 2012 17: 52
            +2
            In this, I agree 100%.
            I wonder who knows Gorbachev now where?
            Does he only celebrate anniversaries in London or does he live permanently?
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 16 August 2012 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: Ataturk
            But Gorbachev must be judged and necessary. I am sure the charges will be the sea! Necessarily necessary. Svoloch, such a country heaped up. All quarreled.
            ON THE NUMBER OF GORBACHEV

            One can only hope that this bastard will live to see this .........!
        2. from Kiev
          from Kiev 16 August 2012 18: 01
          +2
          poked in the wrong way - annihilated +1. Sorry.
          Infa correct and timely. Unfortunately, the itch of instant transformation among the people is not eradicated. At the same time, people are easily led to the cries of fat trolls: Down with, .. for how long ... etc. All this is sad.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 40
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      Here is a good reason - to take this issue under control, and after six months to check - what has been done, how is it done, by whom is it done?

      I agree! I fully support! Took control!
      1. INTER
        INTER 16 August 2012 16: 40
        +2
        I join)
  4. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 16 August 2012 07: 57
    0
    I wrote here more than once
    Which neighbor is our pi-time
    Would rather give the order
    Squint at the squinted
    Chapaz!
  5. pribolt
    pribolt 16 August 2012 07: 58
    0
    Surprising arrogance of cross-eyed
  6. user_internet
    user_internet 16 August 2012 07: 59
    +10
    and this is just the beginning. I am afraid that our government will give these territories.
    1. Committee
      Committee 16 August 2012 08: 08
      +4
      340 square kilometers for some reason, because they gave it away!
  7. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 16 August 2012 07: 59
    +5
    That they still have not reached their apogee in development!
    And what will happen next.
    Or did they value Syria’s support of 17 hectares?
    1. Svistoplyaskov
      Svistoplyaskov 16 August 2012 10: 02
      0
      It is necessary to quickly adopt the new T-99 tank for the hardware:
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 16 August 2012 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: Whistling
        It is necessary to quickly adopt the new T-99 tank for the hardware:


        In huge quantities. Like good old times. So that no one's life seemed raspberry.

        SOMETHING IN THIS KIND am

      2. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 16 August 2012 10: 48
        0
        What is this miracle?
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 16 August 2012 13: 16
          +4
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          What is this miracle?


          These are the muscles of the USSR Both the number of muscles and the quality of muscles!

    2. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 32
      -5
      Quote: Whistling
      Or did they value Syria’s support of 17 hectares?

      Of course! Why not? Chinese youth, we must pay tribute to them ......
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 16 August 2012 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: nycsson
        we must pay tribute to them ......

        ... Well, give it back, only yours ... and it’s better to take it yourself.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 16 August 2012 20: 55
          0
          Quote: Sergh
          ... Well, give it back, only yours ... and it’s better to take it yourself.

          Again, you turn everything upside down! But not youth? It remains only to be happy for them! For some 20-30 years, they have become world leaders from a poor country! And it is a fact! And we have the opposite! And this is also a fact!
  8. general-oberst
    general-oberst 16 August 2012 08: 00
    +9
    Claw clawed, the whole bird abyss. No need to be like this bird, but hand by hand. The Chinese borzometer rolls over. The Chinese need to make their claims on the territory. What kind of compliance is incomprehensible? am
  9. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 16 August 2012 08: 03
    +11
    If our government decides to give someone else even an inch of Russian territory, then the government and the party in power should (and must) be perceived as anti-people and anti-Russian, and I propose to relocate such government and the party of government together with the government house to 10 in one of the regional centers of Magadan years without the right to correspondence.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 16 August 2012 08: 23
      +7
      10 years for squandering land will not be enough. Remember the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession" - "... what are you doing the tsar's face?" Why don't we make a claim for Port Arthur or Harbin in this case?
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 August 2012 09: 00
      +1
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      If Our government decides to give someone else even an inch of Russian territory, then the government and the party in power should (and must) be perceived as anti-people and anti-Russian
      So after all, ALREADY given a lot! Then the question is for you: why, in order to draw a similar conclusion regarding the authorities, do you need ANOTHER precedent? And what prevents to do it now?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 04
        +2
        Quote: Ribwort
        So after all, ALREADY given a lot! Then the question is for you: why, in order to draw a similar conclusion regarding the authorities, do you need ANOTHER precedent? And what prevents to do it now?

        It will be interesting to read the answer! I look forward to it!
    3. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 16 August 2012 09: 29
      +1
      Not in Magadan, but to develop the disputed territory.
    4. cat-hipopotamus
      cat-hipopotamus 16 August 2012 09: 35
      0
      I agree completely, but the term is better for life !!!!
  10. bachast
    bachast 16 August 2012 08: 03
    +9
    And no harm to the environment

    1. snek
      snek 16 August 2012 08: 11
      +3
      UH, "military secret" is burning as always.
      "a bomb has been created, which is several times more powerful than a nuclear one," and this is already in the first seconds of the material.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 16 August 2012 08: 25
        +2
        it’s necessary to apply it to a variety of weapons, otherwise it’s just exhibition material
        1. Committee
          Committee 16 August 2012 09: 28
          +2
          Let me. I have enough determination.
    2. UAZ Patriot
      UAZ Patriot 17 August 2012 12: 20
      0
      Amers already have one and they called it "mom of all the bombs". Ours built a more powerful one and decided to humor about it and named it"DAD OF ALL BOMBS"... the hint I hope is clear? wink
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 16 August 2012 08: 04
    +4
    something the Chinese simultaneously want to swell in different directions. no matter how overstrained. they need to open their eyes wider so that their mouth closes
  12. Committee
    Committee 16 August 2012 08: 07
    +5
    In 2005, an agreement was signed on the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border, according to which Russia transferred to China, no less, about 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories.
    Something I did not understand? !! What ***? !! What is this?! WHO gave? !!!
    1. Sergeev
      Sergeev 16 August 2012 08: 14
      +9
      Putin who else. In 2005, in my opinion, he was at the helm.
  13. Leisure
    Leisure 16 August 2012 08: 09
    +6
    I demand Dalniy and Port Arthur! Give me away !!!
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 16 August 2012 13: 32
      -4
      Dear China, Korea should not be confused (is everything good with Geography?)
  14. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 16 August 2012 08: 10
    -14
    17 hectares is not the land for which spears break. With us, come on a km away from the road, you will see hundreds of hectares of abandoned fertile land. It is clear that my dear, but you should not beat the muzzle for these snot. I think that there are just some topographic overlays. Will sort it out. China, although a borzoi, is not so stupid.
    1. general-oberst
      general-oberst 16 August 2012 08: 49
      +5
      Are you crap or something? This land, like so, that a kilometer from the road - OUR !!! We don’t need a stranger, but we won’t give up our span. Her hands had not yet reached. The time will come and the descendants will still thank us.
      1. Gocha kurashvili
        Gocha kurashvili 26 August 2012 08: 20
        0
        You then see your nose, wise guy ??? Have you been far
        ? Probably not leaving your village ???? I didn’t pass the cows with you; you should not poke a stranger. Have you ever seen a topographic map? In addition, the mountainous terrain ... A little thing, for such tomboys as you. And for Okhla, they were beating us in the Oryol region in the face ... So, poke a heroic man at your point with your finger ..
    2. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 16 August 2012 09: 44
      +1
      It’s not about the land here, it’s more cunning ... they cannot be given to them, but they count on it ... they need the very fact of the disputed lands ...
      1. El13
        El13 16 August 2012 21: 09
        +4
        Quote: viruskvartirus

        It’s not about the land, it’s more cunning ...

        And who did not think that this was such a maneuver? China now threw claims in a circle, threw it to us, and so that it didn’t seem aggressive, it was limited to 17 hectares, like we have all the claims, even to Russia ... China does not urgently need to resolve this issue and did not take the irreconcilable top-level position like Japan. Who told you that this land is generally needed by China as land? Moreover, why did you decide that this claim, and not the routine work of demarcating the border, did you use what sources to find out what is the essence of the issue? Now, when China makes this claim at the highest level, then we’ll break the spears with foam at the mouth, and now don’t inflate the anti-China ... I’m tired of repeating this, they want to quarrel with us, this is visible with the naked eye, it’s beneficial primarily to the states, be smarter. There is nothing to spit with poison for now. Let's look at the source for a start, what is it about.
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 16 August 2012 13: 37
      +1
      China - as a neighbor in a communal apartment - it’s not possible to live nearby and there is no way to move. Are you Gocha just a fool or a nonsense (though it’s not clear what’s worse)
      1. Gocha kurashvili
        Gocha kurashvili 26 August 2012 08: 15
        0
        Apparently you are a stupid person ... You didn’t call you a fool. And as for the article, there is no official information ... Half of the articles on this site are fried ... It’s difficult to distinguish 17 hectares on the topographic map of the mountainous area, this depends on the thickness of the marker of the person who is drawing. I know the topographer himself. And worst of all, you cheers, and haters .....
  15. koksalek
    koksalek 16 August 2012 08: 13
    +5
    If only to read once that Russia has chopped off a piece of land for itself from someone, you will wait for figs, but the opposite has become the norm. Have seen enough there at the helm of the films "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession" as a guide to action. Damn weaklings, do not disgrace yourself by squandering the earth, so do not spoil the authority of the gulkin's nose like that.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 August 2012 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: koksalek
      ... so the authority of Gulkin’s nose so do not smash his taxis

      About the authority of power, you ask the Neighbor or who he is now ... A heating engineer, it seems. Here he will tell you in detail.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: Ribwort
        You ask the neighbor about the authority of power or who he is now ...

        And in my opinion "specialist"! laughing
  16. timhelmet
    timhelmet 16 August 2012 08: 15
    +3
    Lord Chinese. Especially for you super special offer:
    North America is ready to become the province of Tan-Man-America.
    If watering occurs right now, then you will receive Western Europe, Israel and, possibly, Georgia as a gift. Bargaining is appropriate.
    The action is valid indefinitely, but it is better to hurry.
    Do not lose!
    1. snek
      snek 16 August 2012 08: 20
      +1
      And why should they sail to America when there is the Far East under the nose, where population density is comparable to some deserts and continues to fall.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 16 August 2012 08: 42
      0
      Europe does not need this is our area of ​​interest, and the states too. But let them take Asia.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 16 August 2012 08: 54
        0
        Alexey
        not this way. Europe must be fed, they themselves have not been able to do anything for a long time, and there are all sorts of psheks, ests and other scum ololo the Baltic Sea.
        and Asians can work. And under the strict guidance, so generally "from the janitor to space"
  17. ZKBM-BUT
    ZKBM-BUT 16 August 2012 08: 27
    +6
    we must also treat all countries that have laid eyes on our territory and put forward a demand to give us "primordially Russian territories." say a third of China and a third of Japan. and it doesn't matter that it all looks stupid. the main thing is to step systematically in this direction, to proclaim holidays of the territories of interest to us in Russia, to draw the border on our maps as we only see it. and with clever facial expressions make claims to them. say nonsense, obsurd? no, this is the international practice of developed countries.
    1. Delink
      Delink 16 August 2012 08: 35
      +1
      I agree. It would be nice to have them officially with evidence.
      1. general-oberst
        general-oberst 16 August 2012 09: 00
        +1
        What other evidence is needed about Alaska? Amers in full, presenting and ringing all international bells, The main thing is to raise a little more noise. good
    2. yak69
      yak69 16 August 2012 08: 42
      +2
      Perfect solution! I fully support and am ready to subscribe to such a letter of advice to our medical centers smile
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 53
      +2
      Quote: ZKBM-BUT
      This is the international practice of developed countries.

      No, it’s the international practice of STRONG and NAGLESS countries! And to act like that, you need to have something behind your back, but we don’t have nichrome there! China will continue to blackmail us, saying that if you don’t give it back, we will side with America on many issues .........
      1. ZKBM-BUT
        ZKBM-BUT 16 August 2012 09: 37
        0
        Of course, this is a practice of the strong and arrogant also stupid. I called them developed only for ridicule. but I don’t agree that there is nothing behind us - we have everything we need. behind us is the truth with reason. And this is the main point. and they will always blackmail us and everyone will. while we have Russia with all its pluses and minuses.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 38
          0
          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          also stupid. I called them developed only for ridicule.

          Dumb, dear - these are those who distribute their territory! And they are not stupid, but very smart!
          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          but I don’t agree that there is nothing behind us - we have everything we need


          Quote: ZKBM-BUT
          behind us is the truth with reason. And this is the main point.

          Truth! It's ridiculous! Now in the UN and NATO this word is EXPLOSIVE !!! laughing laughing laughing
          And as for the mind - it’s clearly you who have gone too far! laughing laughing laughing We will give up a piece of our territory, so our mind immediately from all the cracks and rushing! laughing laughing laughing
          1. ZKBM-BUT
            ZKBM-BUT 17 August 2012 13: 15
            0
            yes, it’s true that in these organizations, in a place with a conscience, they are curses now. to have a conscience, to be truthful is a shame. only this will inevitably lead to their death. as for the smart ones - in my opinion, the smart one who does not give his own, but also will not creep into someone else's. while we don’t give anything to anyone and there is no reason to panic. but they’ll bury on someone else’s.
  18. yak69
    yak69 16 August 2012 08: 32
    +4
    Well, now, another international gendarme is becoming a homosexual. Amers are not enough for us, and so, now "friends" have formed at our side.
    An amazing thing, well, some can not live peacefully on the planet. It’s a nail in their ass that doesn’t give rest!
    Undoubtedly, these claims will not stop from different sides until Russia begins to "tumble" in full for any inclinations at our expense!
    And meanwhile, our upper ones need to know and apply in politics only two mathematical actions — multiply and add.
    Alas, the "Kremlin" organized crime group does not know this.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 08: 57
      +3
      Quote: yak69
      And meanwhile, our upper ones need to know and apply in politics only two mathematical actions — multiply and add.

      Unfortunately, they only divide and subtract! For centuries Russian tsars have been collecting our territory, how much Russian blood has been shed, and these eccentrics with the letter "m" distribute it is not clear for what benefits ........!
      Quote: yak69
      Alas, the "Kremlin" organized crime group does not know this.

      Yes they all know! They are not stupid there, they just do not care about our country and our people and our national interests, etc.
      1. yak69
        yak69 16 August 2012 09: 16
        +4
        "" and these eccentrics with the letter "m" it is not clear for what benefits ........! ""

        Well, here everything is clear. And the benefits are known and their amount (approximately). One word - managers! ..
        ..Kremlevsky traders have identified a new paradigm (from the vocabulary of Medvedev)
  19. INTER
    INTER 16 August 2012 08: 35
    +2
    Finish it! Now in the USA, then in Russia, then in Japan. I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 16 August 2012 08: 58
      +1
      inter
      You forgot about India. Well, not a weak state
      1. 11 black
        11 black 16 August 2012 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: INTER
        Finish it! Now in the USA, then in Russia, then in Japan. I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.

        INTER - I’ll be more correct to say I hope ...
    2. 11 black
      11 black 16 August 2012 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: INTER
      I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.

      inter - it is more correct to say I HOPE ...
      1. INTER
        INTER 16 August 2012 16: 42
        0
        India is still our ally, which is good. Rather, everything goes to the coalition. But again, everyone has their own interests)
  20. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 16 August 2012 08: 37
    -1
    The Chinese people are cunning, give them a finger, they grab a hand to the elbow. there is 340 km, there is 17 hectares, tomorrow there is still a place where they will find where there are no border guards and thorns, they will reach Baikal and then ...
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 August 2012 09: 04
      0
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      and reach Baikal, and even further ...

      On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 46
        +3
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...

        Give - take, and beat - run! That says it all....... belay
      2. Ataturk
        Ataturk 16 August 2012 21: 54
        0
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some Chinese-made maps, their "ancestral" territory is marked right up to the Urals ...


        That's just for this they need to give their faces. The situation is already very familiar to me.
      3. from Kiev
        from Kiev 17 August 2012 00: 50
        0
        Quote: Ribwort
        On some maps made in China, their "primordial" territory is marked right up to the Urals

        And on the reverse of the coins of the communist USSR, a map in the floor of the planet, so what?
  21. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 16 August 2012 08: 44
    +1
    Yes, finally you got crazy! But they can be understood - there are a lot of people, and the cat cried a lot of territories for living for such a crowd. So they are bulling right and left, maybe someone will bend. Ours have caved in several times (Damansky, then these 340 km2), why not sue once again on "primordially Chinese lands". Apparently there should be traces of the 2nd stage of the Great Wall of China. But there is a good Russian proverb, "friendship is a meal, and tobacco is apart!" And it must be followed unquestioningly.
    1. Joker
      Joker 16 August 2012 10: 18
      +1
      Read about the ghost towns in China and you will understand that they have enough land, they will take it for the future and plus they also have a shortage of fresh water, not just because they change our riverbeds, but they still wanted to get our compatriots.
  22. mar.tira
    mar.tira 16 August 2012 08: 45
    +3
    Yes, I would not want to live near the Kitaezi. I don’t know what our authorities are thinking, but I’m afraid they will give in as before everywhere they gave in and gave not for a penny. But they got our sailors, with their lawlessness and arrogance. We must support the border guards here. Meet the guests. "friendly" fire, so that they would once and for all forget about the Russian land. Remind them 69 years old, they also wanted to profit at someone else's expense, I was a kid and I saw the consequences of their invasion myself. BABIES !!!!
  23. Romeohihnic
    Romeohihnic 16 August 2012 08: 45
    -4
    The surest way to confront China is the mass acceptance of Chinese citizenship by the Primors. Firstly, they will not fight against their own then, and secondly, the massive appearance of Chinese citizens of Russian nationality will quickly undermine the Chinese economy, because they will not work, but will steal and demand freebies.
    1. Committee
      Committee 16 August 2012 09: 34
      +1
      Will be. These are the most rabid nationalists. They do not cut off all their nationality very quickly and very quietly and that’s all.
    2. Gemar
      Gemar 16 August 2012 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: Romeohihnic
      massive acceptance by citizens of the Chinese citizenship

      Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. How did they destroy "their citizens" during the Olympics? I mean the Uyghurs. The latter are now sitting without work, without business. How was the uprising suppressed in Tibet? The Chinese recognize only the Han nationality 汉 (in fact, the Chinese themselves). I have lived in China for 8 years, now my work is connected with China. They are the real Nazis! Any civilization different in culture from the Han is considered barbaric, the lowest in terms of development.
      Do you know that the Chinese have FIVE cardinal points? North, South, West, East and ... MID. So China in their own way sounds like 中国 Zhonguo - Zhongguo. Go is a state, according to theirs. Joon is just the middle! I mean, the Middle State, your mother ... Around some low-developed semi-barbarians. Every Chinese believes in this sacredly!
  24. 11 black
    11 black 16 August 2012 08: 52
    +7
    In no case give land - it is obvious that the Chinese are checking whether Russia is ready to defend their territories - today 17, tomorrow 170 and so on - OUR LAND AND MUST STAY OUR! If the government decides to give the land it will simply be a betrayal of their country!
    The point here is not in the amount of saying only 17 km - but in the fact of the transfer of land, do not give up anything!
    1. cat-hipopotamus
      cat-hipopotamus 16 August 2012 09: 32
      +3
      I agree, having given once a little, in the future we will lose EVERYTHING !!!
  25. tan0472
    tan0472 16 August 2012 09: 02
    +4
    Even if the territory is not given away, the "question" may remain suspended for many decades. Why not file a claim in response? Then the "question of the disputed territories" will be released on the brakes "to mutual satisfaction."
    1. Dr. Pilyulkin
      Dr. Pilyulkin 16 August 2012 10: 09
      +2
      good That's right!
      It is also necessary to demand from them some territories. And then, I’m watching how they shared the earth with them, they entered the taste.
      1. 11 black
        11 black 16 August 2012 10: 41
        0
        I agree - for example, Fort Arthur, which was originally a Russian fortress !!
  26. vylvyn
    vylvyn 16 August 2012 09: 04
    +2
    What a cool photo! Anyone will like such beauty. And there is such honey! Along the way, the Chinese wanted to scoop up a freebie like an Altai honey.
  27. vorobey
    vorobey 16 August 2012 09: 18
    +4
    Have you tried to send?

    Apparently 17 hectares will save China.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 09: 49
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      Have you tried to send?

      Try to go! They throw their hats.
      Quote: vorobey
      Apparently 17 hectares will save China.

      This is for our "leaders" 17 hectares are not of interest, or rather how much they were given, 340 or 270, and for the Chinese even a square meter to chop off is a joy and victory!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 16 August 2012 10: 21
        +5
        Quote: nycsson
        Try to go! They throw their hats

        Well, caps we will find application.

        Quote: nycsson
        This is for our "leaders" 17 hectares are not of interest, or rather how much they were given, 340 or 270, and for the Chinese to chop off at least a square meter is a joy and victory

        I don’t understand ours at all. could the bears feed the voiced claim? Places there are deaf, and that's all. And so every time. Voiced pritenziyu- lost.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 16 August 2012 11: 01
          +3
          Good decision.
          I would continue it ...
          Someone decided - to make a claim ... lost.
          Although half of China may be lost, it will be easier for them later.
          Huh?
  28. andrei332809
    andrei332809 16 August 2012 09: 21
    +1
    they are selected, bastards, round the lake to Baikal-they want to water rice with clean water
  29. logic
    logic 16 August 2012 09: 22
    +2
    Quote: general-oberst
    make their claims to the Chinese on the territory. What kind of compliance is incomprehensible?

    I support halfway up to the "Chinese" wall, which was built to protect against the Chinese
  30. general-oberst
    general-oberst 16 August 2012 09: 22
    +3
    During the new government, the land and water borders of Russia only decrease. Part of the Barents Sea prosrali Norwegians. The Chinese are 340 km square in the Far East. Who is next to water and earth? Shame !!! am
  31. cat-hipopotamus
    cat-hipopotamus 16 August 2012 09: 29
    +2
    Yeah, China is completely impudent, it is clear that the muscles have increased and even an excess of the male population (as in other population in general). I do not think that our leadership is so stupid as to give the requested territory, for having given this piece then we will have to give all of Siberia and the Far East. Territorial rudeness must be answered once, with a clear and distinct refusal, even a hard refusal. For all its military and economic power, China simply won’t get into the brazen pressure on Russian lands if our Siberia and the Far East, together with the population, were not sold secretly from us ................... ..........
  32. rennim
    rennim 16 August 2012 09: 31
    +2
    Why shouldn’t the shed land be given up with Russian blood before? Concessions at the present time are not pragmatism, but a sign of the state’s weakness and instability ...
  33. logic
    logic 16 August 2012 09: 31
    0
    Quote: general-oberst
    It is clear that my dear, but you should not beat the muzzle for these snot.

    so give a couple of squares of your apartment, let the Chinese live there (he’s the poor fellow)
    1. general-oberst
      general-oberst 16 August 2012 10: 44
      +1
      Read carefully who writes this. These are not my words. drinks My comment is under this nonsense.
  34. red 015
    red 015 16 August 2012 09: 35
    +1
    Well, where are those people who in other articles vehemently claimed that China is our ally ?! can an ally do this ?! This territorial claim from China once again proves that he is not our ally and will not be him !!!
    1. El13
      El13 16 August 2012 21: 17
      +1
      This may just be the main goal of this incident ... let everyone think so ... charm.
  35. logic
    logic 16 August 2012 09: 41
    +2
    No, just imagine "gave time to think about the answer." That is, they are sure that the land will be given to them (as always), and deliberation is for the Russian people, a digestible reason.

    Quote: red 015
    China once again proves that he is not our ally and will not be him !!!

    Well, why so rude, China will be our ally until all our lands are given to him
  36. vik71
    vik71 16 August 2012 09: 44
    +6
    Look at things objectively: There is an expansion and the resettlement of peoples (China) to Russia. Those who were in the Far East know that almost everywhere narrow-eyed in a large number. And why should they fight? So everyone will capture and relocate. We are a multinational country and our government is happy ... and the FMS, how will it live without offerings? We are the only country in the world where not a word is said about the indigenous people (Russian) in the Constitution. They pissed off Crimea and Berlin, we will give back Baikal ........
    1. ole
      ole 16 August 2012 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: vik71
      Мы

      We are the only country in the world where not a word is said about the indigenous people (Russian) in the Constitution. I am not a Nazi, there are friends of different nationalities but your words are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
      00000000000000000000000000000000% TRUE!
  37. logic
    logic 16 August 2012 09: 49
    +3
    Quote: vik71
    About the indigenous people (Russian) not a word is said in the Constitution. They pissed off Crimea and Berlin, we will give back Baikal ........

    Do not say anything. totally agree with you. Why talk about England if our government itself believes that the Russian people exist to make life easier for other nations
    1. general-oberst
      general-oberst 16 August 2012 10: 49
      -1
      logic
      Read carefully who writes what !!! Mudilo.
  38. oldmen1973
    oldmen1973 16 August 2012 09: 55
    +2
    The problem is not what foreigners (including the Chinese) want from Russia - territories or resources. You can understand them, if you approach this with a "cold head" - the development of your country, the improvement of the lives of your subjects and all that. The problem is: what is the Russian leadership doing to discourage other countries from solving their problems at our expense? What measures are being taken by our Foreign Ministry, what are our leaders and their leaders talking about through government communication channels? Why do we only hear about the fact that somewhere they have given away part of the land, ceded part of the territorial waters, allow foreigners to privatize our companies that were previously on the list of strategically important, give foreigners territories for their farmland? So far, I only hear that everything is being done by our leadership for the good of the country and for the future. But what I hear and what I see, and until recently I lived in the Kostroma region, now in Ulyanovsk, my parents are in Altai and this gives me the right to judge life by comparing it in different parts of the country, and so, what I see does not add optimism.
    The question is not what we will give back and how much. Question - how soon?
  39. marshes
    marshes 16 August 2012 09: 56
    0
    China has not forgotten much to whom it is obliged that the XUAR region has appeared in the state and not the state of East Turkestan.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%92%D
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    %B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0
  40. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 16 August 2012 09: 58
    +3
    We are weak! And weaklings are always asked questions like: "hear ... you can't find a smoke ..?" - and this despite the fact that the questioner has a new pack of cigarettes in his hand.
  41. Darck
    Darck 16 August 2012 10: 00
    +1
    New territorial claims of China against Russia
    Heh, it’s not surprising that the Chinese said there ... Do they know that the territories belong to them? In the course of the dawn of another Kamunism begins.
    I am afraid that over time they can create a coalition against the PRC.
    Already have, against them, Vietnam, Japan, Korea and everyone in the region whom they want to offend, under the auspices of the United States.
  42. sahha
    sahha 16 August 2012 10: 02
    0
    Soon they will begin to build bases in full, and off the coast of America.


    It is not known about this, but it is clear that there is one huge base on the "shores" of Russia - the PRC.
  43. Manager
    Manager 16 August 2012 10: 02
    +4
    And how are you going to "water" them,

    Why water them? The country is relatively small with a higher concentration of the population. Air defense is far from the best in the world. Enough nuclear weapons or nuclear weapons with an excellent launch vehicle to keep them on a leash. So let them greyhound. Until the border has been crossed let anyone prove anything to anyone.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 August 2012 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      the country is relatively small with a higher concentration of the population.

      If everything has already gone so far, then by virtue of what you have said, the greatest effect will be achieved from the use of bacteriological weapons. But this is all controversy ..
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 16 August 2012 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      Until the border is crossed

      Yes, they have long crossed her! How many of them already live there?
  44. Arsen
    Arsen 16 August 2012 10: 04
    +2
    You can not give a centimeter, and it is not a matter of territory.
  45. vik71
    vik71 16 August 2012 10: 16
    +5
    DAGESTAN333,
    DAGESTAN333We are not weaklings, but the trouble is in the head and leadership. None of the "ruling" thinks and does not want to be a Russian .. Children in England, accounts in Amsterdam, housing in Madrid ... And Russia is so .... lives hard, pays taxes and to hell with it, have time to snatch themselves. Who will remember when the last referendum was and when the Russians were asked at least what our opinion was about (the death penalty, Crimea, the WTO, the Law on Weapons, etc.). So the country's leadership is much smarter than its people, it protects and protects us ...
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 16 August 2012 10: 58
      +1
      Buddy vik71, you need to have at least a little will, and not always carefully calculate something. So we get to insanity - through hellish and incredible calculations ... ... GIVE THE EARTH, which, our ancestors, you see, have left us in reserve ...

      In land issues, it is necessary to send China in three letters, - they will begin to show their "incomprehensible" idiotic smiles - write down a phrase with a message in three letters on the player with a repeat, direct in their direction, and go to do their own thing, that is. put markers where indicated on OUR map.
      1. INTER
        INTER 16 August 2012 16: 44
        0
        That's right, and to hell)
  46. volcano
    volcano 16 August 2012 10: 17
    +1
    Of course you need to make it clear to China that friendship is friendship, but the tobacco apart ......
    This is just the beginning. We are still ahead ...
    Later there will be pieces of not 17 hectares each and the assaults more frankly and tougher.
    Need to beat the snout now.
    Let the openers open in surprise.
  47. gor
    gor 16 August 2012 10: 25
    -9
    but why not give it away. First give it away, and then you can start a geopolitical alliance against the states together with the Chinese)))))))))) the situation is just like before the Second World War. you armed and helped, and concluded an alliance, and then just do not gnaw each other's throats. The same rake is advancing, and in your opinion, as always, the United States is to blame
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 16 August 2012 10: 41
      +7
      Quote: gor
      why don’t give it away, first give it back,


      Everything is fine with your head?
      Your state of mind is starting to bother me.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 16 August 2012 10: 52
        +2
        Apollo, friend be careful. Now in PM you get something.

        Horus has his own particular opinion.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 16 August 2012 22: 36
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          Horus has his own particular opinion.


          Thank you hi drinks vorodey gor did not dare laughing
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 16 August 2012 23: 12
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Horus has his own particular opinion.


          Dear Vorobey!

          gor did not dare to write in a personal
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 16 August 2012 10: 47
      +1
      are you currently painting on Freud?
      Quote: gor
      but why not give it away. First give it back, and then you can begin to build a geopolitical alliance against the states together with the Chinese

      17 hectares have a claim. forget that they will send the Chinese to dick?
  48. 1st_user
    1st_user 16 August 2012 10: 29
    +7
    The fact that this territorial dispute has arisen right now is no accident. Russia and China clearly indicated to the West the coincidence of their military-political interests. And the West in response decided to deliver a fierce blow - to embroil Russia with China in order to nip this alliance in the bud. The Chinese government clearly has peculiar political saboteurs who, at the direction of the West, sowed a grain of contention with Russia. China does not need to make claims to us, but to look for traitors in itself.
    Since ancient times, in any war (real or potential), quarreling countries in an enemy alliance has been a great victory. And the United States is clearly acting in that direction. By the way, the story about Iran’s claims to us over the S-300 is from the same opera.
    1. from Kiev
      from Kiev 16 August 2012 12: 28
      +3
      Well, finally, sent sensible comments.
      1. El13
        El13 16 August 2012 21: 23
        +1
        I support, but I barely read it here, no one wondered why now and why only 17 hectares ... but already they reached the characteristics of tactical nuclear weapons and the features of its application ...
  49. cucun
    cucun 16 August 2012 10: 34
    +2
    Children need to give birth ... And even die out, without China.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 16 August 2012 10: 49
      +1
      [cucun quote = cucun] Children must be born. [/ quote]
      Of course, having children is necessary. But not to guard the border. The time of Dzhulbars with the Karatsups ends. After 50 years, the border should be guarded by robots. The future of Russia is in high technology, and not in the number of people settled along the border (for protection). Stupidly measured with China, who gives birth to more children.
  50. Kostyar
    Kostyar 16 August 2012 10: 39
    +3
    They must be knocked down ..., with a shit stick !!!