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Ukraine is unlucky with presidents, presidents with the country ...

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Ukraine is unlucky with presidents, presidents with the country ...

Who is more unlucky - Ukraine with presidents or presidents with a country ... It is quite possible that the point here is that the Ukrainian electorate, since the emergence of this public office, as such, has rather not been voting for real people, their political platforms and economic programs, but for some images, partly created by cunning political strategists, and partly appearing in the imagination of the Ukrainians themselves.


Former party functionary Leonid Kravchuk was first greeted as "the creator of independence", and the authorities were deprived of them ahead of schedule. The name of this figure remained in the memory, sticking to the name of the bag on wheels, popular with the "shuttles", in which, including his efforts, half of the country's inhabitants became. When was Kravchuk real - being a "connected UPA" (OUN-UPA - a banned organization in the Russian Federation), a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, destroying the USSR, destroying the "nezalezhnoy" economy? He probably doesn't know himself ...

The next, perhaps the most successful head of state, Leonid Kuchma, was assessed not by words, but by deeds. That is why they were re-elected for a second term - the only one in the whole history a country that received some kind of stability under him. True, it ended all the same with the action "Ukraine without Kuchma", the wildest accusations against him and "Maidan". It also turned out to be “wrong” in the end.

In Viktor Yushchenko, half of the country (the one mainly located in the West) saw almost a messiah. He left office with the offensive nickname "Pasechnik" and a record drop in rating during his time in power. However, his replacement in the presidential chair, Viktor Yanukovych, "did not shine" and that - he was "carried out" from the presidential palace, without even waiting for new elections, which could be declared "rigged." Moreover, by the way, the economy and social sphere of Ukraine during his reign showed fantastic indicators for these days.

Petro Poroshenko climbed (there is no other word, forgive me, you cannot pick up) the presidency, trampling and sweeping away everyone in his path, and promised to lead the country to the European Union, NATO, as well as to abundance and prosperity. By the end of his term, the people had gone berserk with "successes" and "victories" to such an extent that they voted for a television comedian. Hundreds of thousands kept repeating: "For anyone, just not for Poroshenko!"

It would seem that, having experienced so many bitter disappointments and collapses of the most sincere hopes for the leaders of the state, Ukrainians should have shown utmost skepticism in their electoral preferences. What is called, "to examine under a microscope" everyone who wants to, weighing all the "pros" and "cons" regarding his candidacy on atomic scales. In any case, to demonstrate healthy pragmatism and not believe all those promises of the paradise tabernacles, to which politicians striving for power are so generous.

But no - the citizens of Ukraine have gone to the other extreme. In the last presidential election, they voted ... no, not for the showman Vladimir Zelensky, but for the image he created on the screen of a "servant of the people", a kind of "president from the plow" Vasily Goloborodko. How this could happen to a country that has such a sad experience in the past is incomprehensible to the mind. However, it happened.

Perhaps this indicates that the citizens of Ukraine simply do not trust any professional politician, real party leader or government official. However, another thing remains unclear - why, after almost 30 years of depressing experiments, they did not understand the simplest truth: any candidate for the presidency in the "nezalezhnoy" is just a protege of one or another oligarchic clan, and in itself does not mean anything and does not solve!

Having voted for Zelensky last year, they chose not a “man from the street” who was not connected with any clans and “families” on their head, but only another puppet of puppeteers who were not even very shadowy. In fact, absolutely nothing has changed. Will it get to the stubborn Ukrainian voters? Will they finally start voting not with emotion, but with reason? Although reason is reason, it is also important to have an adequate choice, "assortment" of candidates. In truth, highly doubtful. It is not for nothing that the current mayor of the capital, Vitali Klitschko, is predicted to be Zelensky's successor.

Why not? He is also a famous person - a champion boxer. The fact that two words cannot connect and under him Kiev finally turned into a cesspool, voters, most likely, will not "notice." After all, someone re-elected this "giant of thought" for the second time as a mayor ... And even then to say - real leaders, for whom, indeed, it would be worth voting for, today in Ukraine simply does not exist. The political "environment", especially after 2014, when it was saturated with the poison of nationalism and Russophobia, is extremely toxic. It either dissolves in itself, or simply pushes out all those who are not ready to follow the new "trend".

It was said a long time ago that every nation gets exactly the rulers it deserves. Perhaps the state of Ukraine exists only as a visual aid to demonstrate this thesis.
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 6 December 2020 13: 51
    +2
    404 is actually an amazing place. Not a country, not a state. Some kind of unknown animal ... how so many clowns this land could give birth to me is not at all very clear ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 6 December 2020 14: 01
      +7
      Because there has never been such a state, this is a myth! And a myth in real life cannot exist on its own, someone has to support it all the time ... It's a pity, I have relatives living in this myth ...
      1. Machito
        Machito 6 December 2020 14: 31
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Because there has never been such a state, this is a myth! And a myth in real life cannot exist on its own, someone has to support it all the time ... It's a pity, I have relatives living in this myth ...

        I also have relatives in Kiev and Lvov. They are Russian, but their brains are Ukrainianized, pot-headed. So after the president of Ukraine, the comedian, there is only one hope of choosing a woman with reduced social responsibility or a person of non-traditional sexual orientation as president.
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 December 2020 14: 34
          +5
          No! Today only Russian tanks of the Armed Forces of Russia and the filtration camps of the Russian Guard will help Ukraine to recover! There is no third! hi
          1. Machito
            Machito 6 December 2020 15: 27
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            No! Today only Russian tanks of the Armed Forces of Russia and the filtration camps of the Russian Guard will help Ukraine to recover! There is no third! hi

            It is the third option that interests me most of all: the hidden supply of weapons and instructors for the NM LDNR. I think that it is not difficult for Donetsk miners to dig a tunnel from Donetsk to Rostov. Then the troops of the part of Ukraine, which did not recognize the fascist coup in Kiev, will liberate Kiev and Lvov from the ukrovermacht. And the counterattack on Odessa and Chop will be an internal affair of Ukraine-Novorossiya, and Russia will have nothing to do with it.
            1. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 16: 47
              +5
              Quote: Finches
              Today, only Russian tanks of the Russian Armed Forces and the Russian Guard's filtration camps will help Ukraine recover!

              Quote: Bearded
              Then the troops of the part of Ukraine, which did not recognize the fascist coup in Kiev, will liberate Kiev and Lvov from the ukrovermacht

              I look at your comments and I think the TV is doing wow ...
              long gone are the days when someone fantasized about "Russian tanks". Wait only in the scope of Stugna. And how all Russians and Ukrainians in the country are waiting for "camps" ..
              if on the site for a neutral opinion you are already a Bandera and a nationalist, then you can already imagine that all citizens of Ukraine need to be thrown into the camps. Well, only because they have something to do with the country.
              The parts that didn't recognize the coup ... it's even better than fantasy. Already 2 times the presidential elections were ... and still a coup ... but they did not recognize ... (Poroshenko was also recognized ...)
              in general, Russians and Ukrainians do not want to see "Russian tanks" in Ukraine. There may still be Soviet ones.
              And the "Russians" definitely don't want to. Thanks. VON there there "so they liberated 1/3 of the regions!" such a showcase of the "Russian world" was created that the best anti-advertising is not needed.
              And it is clear from the comments of Russians in relation to Ukraine and Ukrainians (even neutral ones) that in cases of even military success, you will not see loyal ones. It is not won, it is achieved. And not a weapon.
              1. Finches
                Finches 6 December 2020 16: 52
                +1
                In Chechnya, they did not want to see Russian tanks either, but now they even ask for nothing else - they even ask for supplements ... A tank, it's in Grozny, a tank, in Kiev ... Don't worry! hi
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: Finches
                  In Chechnya, they also did not want to see Russian tanks, and now even nothing like that - even supplements are asked...

                  do not tell me how it happened that in nine years - from 2007 to 2015 - Chechnya received 539 billion rubles from the federal budget in the form of subsidies, subventions and subsidies. Their annual volume averaged 60 billion rubles, and according to this indicator, the republic is in the top three most subsidized regions (only Dagestan and Yakutia received more in 2013 and 2014).
                  The share of aid from Moscow to Chechnya is 81% of its budget

                  So
                  Quote: Finches
                  ... they even ask for supplements ..
                  you're right. Money and more. What kind of tanks are you talking about, you pay tribute. What is Chechnya producing? Minarets?
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 6 December 2020 17: 31
                    +4
                    But it was the tanks that decided everything - and money, and Ukraine, after tanks, will require a large investment of money, like, for example, Crimea, it also does not produce anything special, but nevertheless, today, like Chechnya, it is Russia!
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 33
                      +5
                      Quote: Finches
                      But it was the tanks that decided everything.

                      decided the loot.
                      Quote: Finches
                      Crimea, it also does not produce anything special

                      it is you in vain
                      Quote: Finches
                      he today, like Chechnya, is Russia!

                      Crimea is Russia, but this cannot be fully said about Chechnya
                      1. Finches
                        Finches 6 December 2020 17: 38
                        +3
                        Have you been to Grozny at least once? If you haven't, then go and see with your own eyes, please! Then we will speak on this issue on an equal footing and objectively! hi
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 6 December 2020 22: 12
                    +1
                    You see ... the war there was much more expensive.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 December 2020 22: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      the war there was much more expensive.

                      Deportation would be cheaper ...
                  3. Ovsigovets
                    Ovsigovets 7 December 2020 09: 02
                    +1
                    and Yakutia (even according to you) we pay tribute))))) such is the fate of the poor Moscow budget)))
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 December 2020 22: 23
                      +1
                      Yakutia pays to the budget with diamonds, etc. for subsidies, and what does Chechnya pay?
                      1. Ovsigovets
                        Ovsigovets 11 December 2020 23: 37
                        0
                        regardless of diamonds, Yakutia is subsidized (read unprofitable) and the balance is still negative
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 7 December 2020 02: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Finches
                  There is a tank in Grozny, a tank in Kiev ...

                  You are not the first to notice this. wink
                  Quote: Alexander Averbukh

                  On the motive of Mireille Mathieu love - Der Pariser Tango
                  There are tanks in Paris. (A song about an imaginary Soviet threat, dedicated to the relaxation of international tension and containing the correct recipe for achieving the said detente)

                  Our cheerful private Ivanov
                  Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
                  Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
                  And now - our detachment is in Kabul.

                  Chorus: And again tanks in Kabul, tanks,
                  Afghans and afghans around
                  West Berlin again
                  It stands like an exhibition of ruins.

                  Our cheerful foreman Ivanov
                  Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
                  Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
                  And now - in Warsaw, our detachment

                  Chorus: And again tanks in Warsaw, tanks,
                  And Warsaw women are drowning in the Vistula,
                  And even London and Beijing
                  They stand like exhibitions of ruins.

                  Our cheerful lieutenant Ivanov
                  Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
                  Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
                  And now - in New York, our squad

                  Chorus: And again tanks in New York, tanks,
                  And the Yankees are drowning in the Potomac
                  And everything - from Bonn to Athens
                  It stands like an exhibition of ruins.

                  Our cheerful captain Ivanov
                  Again, we are led to attack the enemies.
                  We make a world cataclysm
                  And now - socialism is all around.

                  Chorus: As tanks are everywhere tanks -
                  In Addis Ababa, in Casablanca.
                  In Monaco and Miami Beach -
                  The Russian speech is heard everywhere.

                  But still...
                  ... our cheerful General Ivanov
                  Again, we are led to attack the enemies.
                  Forty nuclear strikes in a row
                  And now - our detachment is on Mars.

                  Chorus: And again tanks on Mars, tanks,
                  Martians are dying in the channels
                  Jupiter and Saturn again
                  They are meeting our victorious assault.

                  ... Secretary General Ivanov
                  I said a few words from the rostrum yesterday.
                  Frankly into the interplanetary ether
                  He stated that "we are for peace."

                  Chorus: After all, our tanks are tanks on Mars,
                  And on Venus, our tanks ...
                  Our steam locomotive fly forward ...
                  We have no other way ...
                  lol
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 25
                +1
                Quote: Niel-le-Calais
                wow the TV is doing ...

                there is such a thing, well, they can't really look at the world
              3. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 7 December 2020 04: 30
                +1
                Create a legao showcase if you do not hit it daily from large calibers. Yes, in residential areas. Showcase pancake ...
              4. Ovsigovets
                Ovsigovets 7 December 2020 09: 00
                0
                I certainly ask for miles sorry, but did not Ukraine actively liberate those 1/3 of the regions ???? and then somehow it is not camilfo to blame the deeds of their hands on the notorious Russian. Here is the Crimea with all the investments in it after the "liberation" and this is one thing ... and there is the LDNR liberated by you ... so shtaaaa ....... I might initially agree to the results of joint activities, but with such claims and conversation at the level
                1. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 15: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Ovsigovets
                  There is Crimea with all the investments in it after the "liberation" and this is one thing

                  the trouble is that even the Crimea after huge subsidies is still not a showcase.
                  Moscow da showcase. Well, Petersburg still. (But damn when it will be warm in it, otherwise everything is fine, but the weather, kill yourself with a broom)
                  And the Crimea, despite the climate, is not a showcase. Although it is 7 years, we are solving some problems, others are creeping out.
                  ORDLO is deplorable even where they don't shoot. Because there is no investment (not even recognized by the Russian Federation) there is no stability even in the rear.
                  Moreover, the slogans about the Russian world and tanks in Kiev do not look like an advertisement for this "world". More like stretching the gray area over a large area.
                  I think even Moscow is no longer profitable. The initial chaos and destabilization for the sake of consolidating Crimea passed without problems. Now, with peace of mind, you can exchange unnecessary territory or leave it as it is.
                  The PMR experience suggests that you can leave it as it is for decades.
                  There are only 2 billion dollars. and the contents of old warehouses are needed. Small amount.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 27
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            No! Today only Russian tanks of the Armed Forces of Russia and the filtration camps of the Russian Guard will help Ukraine to recover! There is no third!

            reading you, I am sincerely glad that you are not in the General Staff or the Kremlin. Campaigning is continuous and at the kindergarten level. Putin is fighting for the lifting of sanctions, and you are putting such a pig on him with your slogans.
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 December 2020 17: 36
              0
              Putin's indecision just strains me! Kindergarten ... Hardly! For example (perhaps your beloved United States is the only way to solve their problems with national interests) and no one really compares them with a kindergarten - Ukraine, like Chechnya 20 years ago, is a primordially Russian territory of national interests! And this problem is solved exclusively by carpet bombing, and then yes, with money! Do you have any objections? And I don't think that you are very well aware of the problems of our President. If he is concerned about the sanctions, then somewhere in the third dozen of existing problems!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 6 December 2020 19: 58
                0
                Quote: Finches
                Ukraine, like Chechnya 20 years ago, is a primordially Russian territory of national interests!

                so, what is next? Alaska was also Russian
                Quote: Finches
                ! And this problem is solved exclusively by carpet bombing.

                nonsense. Forgot about the "carrot and stick"?
                Quote: Finches
                And I don't think that you are very well aware of the problems of our President.

                fig me this
                Quote: Finches
                If he is worried about sanctions, then somewhere in the third dozen of existing problems!

                and this is disgusting, because it is harmful to the country.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 6 December 2020 20: 11
                  0
                  To the detriment of the country, to endure an obvious enemy at the side of the same! It's even much more dangerous than some stupid sanctions ... It's like having an abnormal neighbor from whom everything can be expected - a grenade through the window, a Molotov cocktail under the door ... Cutting off electrical wiring to an apartment and cutting water pipes ... Isn't it better than him to fuck in the head with a club and hand over the insensible body to the fool, or to law enforcement agencies? Or to live like on a powder keg, not noticing that the neighbor is going mad more and more. In addition, turning your apartment into bedlam, which is visited by all sorts of suspicious individuals: Negroes, Arabs, Anglo-Saxons, all sorts ... With pronounced bandit faces ...
                2. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 15: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Forgot about the "carrot and stick"?

                  Do you know which Russian version of the addition of this saying?
                  The brief absence of the stick replaces the carrot.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 6 December 2020 22: 15
              +2
              Complete nonsense. When and where did he say that?) Rather, on the contrary, he asked to cut everything in at once so that they would not be distracted. Only a very stupid person thinks that they will be removed in the next 50 years
          3. BAI
            BAI 6 December 2020 19: 17
            +3
            Today, only Russian tanks of the Russian Armed Forces and the Russian Guard's filtration camps will help Ukraine recover!

            God forbid. I hope this is a joke?
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 December 2020 19: 35
              -1
              Every joke has its share ...
          4. paco.soto
            paco.soto 6 December 2020 21: 11
            +3
            Finches
            Today, 14: 34
            NEW

            +1
            No! Today only Russian tanks of the Armed Forces of Russia and the filtration camps of the Russian Guard will help Ukraine to recover! There is no third! hi
            Reply ©
            Zyablitsev, this is not the first time I have seen your comments, "filter in the camps of Kievites. I ask when I see that you have relatives in Ukraine. Ya also have relatives and friends in Kiev.
            How do you imagine filtering the residents of Kiev, and me - a citizen of another state who came to visit his city?
            Please answer, of course, if you are not a "forum madman" and are responsible for your words.
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 December 2020 22: 03
              -2
              There is a very good experience during the Second World War - testing and filtration camps of the NKVD of the USSR - special institutions of the NKVD for checking and selecting persons who have been in German captivity, in the occupied territory, as well as fought in the allied armies and formations of the European Resistance Movement. You can familiarize yourself with the methodology of their work in the specialized literature ... All the best, this is well forgotten old! hi
              1. paco.soto
                paco.soto 6 December 2020 22: 49
                +2
                Finches
                Today, 22: 03

                0
                There is a very good experience during the Second World War - testing and filtration camps of the NKVD of the USSR - special institutions of the NKVD for checking and selecting persons who have been in German captivity, in the occupied territory, as well as fought as part of the allied armies and formations of the European Resistance Movement. You can familiarize yourself with the methodology of their work in the specialized literature ... All the best, this is well forgotten old! hi
                Reply ©

                That is, you propose to use methods that have not brought any positive result? (There is no USSR, but Ukraine is "Bender's")
                Shall we continue the dialogue?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 7 December 2020 06: 36
                  0
                  We are now talking about the work of filtration camps, and not about the economic and political collisions of the late USSR! Ukraine - there are primordially Russian lands on the left side of the Dnieper, plus Odessa - this is a fact! Upon the return of these territories, it will be necessary to filter out war criminals who killed civilians in Donbass, bandits who blew up power transmission towers, heads of various state bodies who gave orders to block water, about the arrest of dissidents who allowed the burning of people in the House of Trade Unions, working for foreign special services, etc. and so on. to bring them to justice - At what point do you disagree with me - let their crimes against people go unpunished?
                  1. Niel-le-Calais
                    Niel-le-Calais 7 December 2020 15: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    It will be necessary to filter out war criminals who killed civilians in the Donbas, bandits who blew up power transmission towers, heads of various government agencies who gave orders to cut off the water,about the arrest of dissidentswho allowed the burning of people in the House of Trade Unions, working for foreign special services, etc. etc. to bring them to justice

                    it seems like this was what Temuchin did - everyone above the wheel was shot.
                    The rest just fit all the descriptions.
                    In general, everyone from 7 years old to the camps. (When 6 year olds grow up and other borns, then send them, they will also ask for fathers and mothers)
                    Straining about the size of the camps and the guards.
                    Bold marked the main thing. After all, everyone will be sent only upon birth.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 7 December 2020 22: 17
                      0
                      I beg your pardon, you have a very poor understanding of this topic and did not read my comment at all properly ... Specifically, dissidents meant people illegally arrested in Ukraine after the Maidans, that is, Ukrainian security officials and officials who arrested people because they were disagree with the guiding revolution ... Please read carefully! And think ....
                  2. paco.soto
                    paco.soto 8 December 2020 15: 29
                    0
                    At what point do you disagree with me - let their crimes against people go unpunished?
                    Reply ©

                    I read now that you graduated from WU.
                    And now with amazement I want to continue the dialogue with you.
                    Do you really think that this justice needs to start from the filtration camps and get a just victory like that ?!
                    I beg your pardon for disturbing you, shall we continue the dialogue? I'm interested in this now.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 8 December 2020 19: 48
                      +1
                      Absolutely sure! The people of Ukraine do not assume by their attitude another attitude towards themselves! Or to abandon Ukraine altogether, which would be a betrayal of our national interests and a betrayal of adequate Russian people who, by the will of fate, turned out to be citizens of Ukraine. 30 years of experience in maintaining friendly relations has shown that it is not effective - Ukraine, has become a complete satellite of the United States and its European apprentices, pursues an extremely Russophobic policy up to the consent of the deployment of NATO strike offensive weapons on its territory, which is generally unacceptable ... ideology of hatred for Russia, which creates a real threat of war! How to solve this problem? I answered you! Only by force - while at least someone else in Ukraine is on friendly terms with the head!
                      1. paco.soto
                        paco.soto 8 December 2020 20: 21
                        0
                        Zyablitsev, thank you for your answer.
                        I need to explain now my dialogue: yesterday on Skype I talked calmly with my Friends of Kiev from the commemoration - our friends of the same age in the USSR national team are taking and dying.
                        Why did my dialogue arise: the dress code was embroidered shirts for everyone (I asked, the price was more expensive than in France, a Levi's shirt. And to my surprise, a quarter - with Oseledians. Strong men, like Taras Bulba.
                        In my past, in Kiev, your supposed two divisions for filtration camps will simply be destroyed by 50-year-old men without any visible conflict?
                        Zyablitsev, thank you for the dialogue. will we continue? - nobody reads this forum already.
          5. 210ox
            210ox 7 December 2020 05: 48
            -1
            But now this is not necessary. This would have happened six years ago. Now these zombies (feed them back in concentration camps), there are millions of them, will shoot in the back, shit in the vastness of the Great and Mighty. Let the leper colony remain a leper colony.
          6. Glenni
            Glenni 7 December 2020 10: 18
            0
            Sir, it is already useless to treat you, nothing will help.
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 6 December 2020 14: 03
      +2
      Traditions "my friend", from them nowhere. I will peephrase, it is easy to get a person out of the Gulyai field, it is more difficult to take the Walk out of a person. But all without exception are free and not slaves.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 December 2020 14: 11
        +4
        Quote: Hagalaz
        Walk the fields, it's harder to get the field out of a man.

        You can run away from the farm, but the farm will not run away from you. The farm is for life.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 6 December 2020 14: 11
      +7
      Quote: carstorm 11
      how so many clowns this land could give birth to me is not very clear at all ...

      Our country has given birth to the same sufficient number of clowns. Chubais, Gref, Yeltsin, Siluanov, Golikova can be listed for a long time. Only, what are these evil clowns. Oleg Popov, at one time, I liked much more.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 6 December 2020 14: 23
        +11
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: carstorm 11
        how so many clowns this land could give birth to me is not very clear at all ...

        Our country has given birth to the same sufficient number of clowns. Chubais, Gref, Yeltsin, Siluanov, Golikova can be listed for a long time. Only, what are these evil clowns. Oleg Popov, at one time, I liked much more.

        These are not clowns. These are representatives of liberal democracy, who are set to destroy the country and in Ukraine, the same processes. We simply have a much higher strength reserve .. oil is gas .. imagine for a moment that we do not have this. I am sure that the situation would be even worse than in Ukraine.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 December 2020 18: 58
        0
        And these are not clowns, these are evil elves!
    4. VORON538
      VORON538 6 December 2020 14: 23
      -2
      They seem to live as they want, but the USSR or Russia are to blame. hi
      Fabulous ... well!
    5. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 December 2020 14: 56
      +2
      Not a country, not a state.

      A shard cannot become a mirror ..
      Ukraine is unlucky ...

      And the Ukrainian SSR was lucky ...
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 6 December 2020 16: 43
      +2
      Ukraine is unlucky with presidents, presidents with the country ...
      belay The very formulation of the question is delusional. Bad luck with the king - God sent. recourse They chose Prezik themselves, and chose for themselves, for themselves ... fool So gobble up what you coveted. "We saw the little eyes that they were taking." But not miscalculated! repeat Lucky. request
      Well, the clown himself climbed onto the throne. Yes, from the beginning it was necessary to emigrate to the USA, to take courses with Soros, and an internship .... Skuaten. And he once and in the queens! And they, bastards harey, carry a prezik on the table, who does not understand anything. request
    7. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 December 2020 16: 54
      +5
      As already got this Ukrainian theme! We don't have our own business or what? Is everything all right with us?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 December 2020 17: 45
        +8
        As already got this Ukrainian topic!
        ... So the war in Transcaucasia for the next 5 years ended. The Ukrainian theme started again. All of them are stupid, from the president to the people, and ours are smart in the same sequence. Already a sense of racial superiority, in a separate branch, appears that there is more stupid than us. laughing
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 December 2020 18: 54
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          Already a sense of racial superiority, in a separate branch, appears that there is more stupid than us.

          Your golden words, dear Alexey!
        2. Salty
          Salty 6 December 2020 19: 01
          -4
          Quote: parusnik
          there are more stupid than us

          There is

          Even you are more stupid. Zoo, damn it ...
      2. Salty
        Salty 6 December 2020 19: 03
        -4
        Quote: Stroporez
        Is everything all right with us?

        You have problems with your brains ... how is it in the country 404? ;)
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 December 2020 19: 49
          -1
          Quote: SaltY
          You have problems with your brains ... how is it in the country 404? ;)

          This is yes, what is it that you and Vitaly were released from your lips? laughing Well, let's say Vital is a malachol quilted jacket, but somehow close, and you are a trolley, Kote laughing
          1. Salty
            Salty 6 December 2020 19: 52
            -6
            Quote: Stroporez
            and you

            Kid, be careful .. I didn't invite you "for you" like, didn't I?

            A local miracle, well-known ... scab-cut ... self-cut ... and more options.

            Go to the stump, please don't get in the way stop
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            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 6 December 2020 19: 58
              0
              Quote: SaltY
              Go to the stump, please don't get in the way

              Eh ...
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 6 December 2020 19: 54
          0
          Quote: SaltY
          how is it in the country 404?

          STE where such a miracle?
    8. Vladimir Vladimirovich S
      Vladimir Vladimirovich S 6 December 2020 17: 52
      0
      I will not be surprised if, after WE comes to the Presidency * Tolstoy Patsyuk * .. If anyone remembers the work of N.V. Gogol.
      Patsyuk, he didn’t do anything in it either, he only “cracked” dumplings with sour cream ... am
      1. 210ox
        210ox 7 December 2020 05: 54
        +2
        So he was already ... They call him giblets.
    9. Revolver
      Revolver 7 December 2020 02: 50
      +1
      Every nation deserves the government that has it. wassat
  2. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 6 December 2020 13: 54
    +5
    not for real people, their political platforms and economic programs, but for some images
    Where and when (except for Ancient Greece) was it different?
  3. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 6 December 2020 13: 56
    +5
    Being determines consciousness. The Ukrainian motto is: "there is a high susceptibility to zrobe, but I will whine, well, if my hut is on the edge and I don't know anything. If you give me a penny, then I'll speak for the penguin.
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 6 December 2020 13: 57
    0
    It was said a long time ago that every nation gets exactly the rulers it deserves.

    In terms of their style of government, the presidents of Ukraine are more reminiscent of a farm kulak ... they cannot look beyond their farm into the future.
    He is also unable to calculate all the consequences of a quarrel with his neighbors ... it seemed they should understand if the eastern neighbor is stronger, richer and more prosperous and also helps him to live better in peace with him, but no, he should shit on his shoe and quarrel with him.
    Everyone looks at a beautiful picture of tse Europe with lace truussels and thinks that they will live richly there ... everyone will give it for free ... what naivety.
    For a long time the Ukrainian people will be treated for their innocence.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 December 2020 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Everyone looks at a beautiful picture of tse Europe with lace truussels

      For Europe, the poor and the stupid are not needed, there is nowhere to put their own people, and plus refugees from the African continent. But ladies in "panties" are in great demand, African women will not be able to ride here.
    2. Evdokim
      Evdokim 6 December 2020 14: 25
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      For a long time the Ukrainian people will be treated for their innocence.

      As a "doctor" I will tell you: "This cannot be cured."
      And it’s not innocence, it’s something else. hi
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 6 December 2020 15: 01
        +3
        Quote: Evdokim
        And it’s not innocence, it’s something else. hi

        In order to understand what it is, it is enough to watch the brilliant film "Chasing Two Hares". There is an attempt to sit on two chairs at once, and a German who invests money in a "groom" for a hfason, then to beat them off when he marries a rich one, and deluges, who are bred on outright delirium by guys who are "so smart that already fearfully". And the natural ending.
      2. Vladimir Vladimirovich S
        Vladimir Vladimirovich S 6 December 2020 18: 17
        -1
        As a "doctor" I will tell you: "This cannot be cured."
        And it’s not innocence, it’s something else. hi

        "doctor" and write: "Cunning Fifth Point" ... hi
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 December 2020 14: 05
    +4
    Which country, such and presidents.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 December 2020 14: 11
    +3
    I already wrote that after the release, the Bandera underground decided to integrate into state institutions, and they did it perfectly well. let Banderlog just not give up power, the next one will be again, the local elections have shown. The people are happy with such a life, and who is not satisfied with their minority!
  7. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 6 December 2020 14: 29
    +3
    However, another thing remains unclear - why, after almost 30 years of depressing experiments, they did not understand the simplest truth: any candidate for the presidency in the "nezalezhnoy" is just a protege of one or another oligarchic clan, and in itself does not mean anything and does not solve!

    But what is there incomprehensible? People can only choose from those that other people have already chosen. And these others have in mind only their own selfish interests. And the voter - like a buyer in a run-down general store - would be happy to stock up on ham and lobster, but in reality he can only choose between three varieties of infusions and two varieties of sprat in tomato ...
  8. Yuri Tverdokhleb
    Yuri Tverdokhleb 6 December 2020 14: 43
    -4
    A significant part of the population is deprived of intelligence and ingenuity. Gutters and servants of amers will not allow lying ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2020 15: 02
      0
      Who is minus you ?! Maybe some of the VO subscribers from some kind of Kryzhopol or ZhmErinka? ..
      1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
        Yuri Tverdokhleb 7 December 2020 12: 41
        -1
        Andrey Nikolaevich, thank you for your support, and at the same time, the minus on VO acquired a "strange" relapse.
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2020 14: 59
    -1
    "" - nothing has reached the stubborn Ukrainian voters and will not reach it. Maybe it will, but in 20-30 years. But the train has already left and the sweaty villagers will remain, gnawing seeds, on the platform ..
  10. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 December 2020 15: 01
    +5
    - Have you heard the news? Ukraine is rebelling again.
    “What's the matter?” After all, they themselves drove away their king.
    - What a king! Now they say that the impostors are also not real ...

    1. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 6 December 2020 20: 09
      0
      Well, sho say? Concise and clear, clear and reliable! But most importantly - without further ado and in the spirit of KUKRYNIKS! Thanks!
  11. boris epstein
    boris epstein 6 December 2020 15: 32
    +5
    There was no statist elite in Ukraine at all. Never before. Before the Ukrainian SSR, only one person stands out for the statist approach - Bogdan Mikhailovich (Bogdan-Zinovy) Khmelnitsky. But one person is not the elite. But the elite (the Cossack elder) in the person of Vyhovsky poisoned him. All those who followed him pulled Ukraine in different directions - to Turkey, to Sweden, to Poland ... After 1917, they were pulled to Germany. After all, the Brest Peace Treaty was signed by the delegation of Ukraine 10 days earlier than the delegation of the RSFSR. And as a result of this peace, Ukraine was occupied by Germany. And again, leapfrog Getmaniv-Skoropadsky, Grushevsky, Petlyura ... And everyone wanted to join somewhere, just not to return to mother Russia. And in the Great Patriotic War the same thing - Bandera, Shukhevych, Melnik, Bulba-Borovets. Now they are pulling into the EU and NATO. And they are pulling in their pockets.
    Kravchuk. He was president for 1,5 years. Giving up $ 6,8 billion
    Kuchma. He was president for 8 years. Charged with $ 6,2 billion
    Yushchenko. He was president for 4 years. How many times did his wife, US citizen Katherine Clare-Chumachenko-Yushchenko, have left. So he sits in the apiary.
    Yanukovych. He was president for almost 4 years. Gaining $ 1,8 billion
    Poroshenko. He was president for 5 years. Having raised $ 5 billion
    And at the finish line, an anecdote.
    They ask the Russian:
    -What will you do if you are king?
    He says:
    -I will make the country great and rich.
    They ask a Jew the same thing.
    He answers.
    -I will make the country great and rich. And also hemming at home.
    They ask the Ukrainian for the same.
    He says:
    -To reign two or three billion and dump it.
    First conclusion: The food supply has significantly narrowed.
    Second conclusion: Although Yanukovych is also not a saint, but more or less a bright spot against the background of the others, if only during the Maidan he had stopped ...
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 16: 52
      +3
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Kravchuk. He was president for 1,5 years. Giving up $ 6,8 billion

      The President of Ukraine
      December 5, 1991 - July 19, 1994
      The change of power in Ukraine is frequent.
      The attitude towards power is always negative. If you don't deserve it, you don't deserve it.
      The greatest economic recovery was under Kuchma (Ukrainian economic miracle)
      Praise and the creation of a leader's halo in the country is impossible.
      State channels tried to somehow do this (under Gunpowder), but this causes rejection among the Ukrainians. In general, there is a big difference.
  12. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 December 2020 16: 23
    -2
    Quote: aleks neym_2
    The Ukrainian motto is: "Hai susceptibly there is zrobe, but I will whine, so I will, because my house is on the edge and I know nothing.

    People with such a farmer's mindset simply NOT ABLE to build a viable state! Have he does not have a positive unifying idea, a goal for building it, but the Western curators slipped him Russophobia, hypertrophied hatred of Russians, everything Russian as an idea, a purpose of existence, unable to unite the people and leads only to the collapse of the state, that sooner or later will inevitably happen!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 13
      +5
      Quote: Goldmitro
      leads only to the collapse of the state, which will inevitably happen sooner or later!

      Ukraine has been buried for 20 years already. Well, it cannot die in any way. laughing And if we pay her $ 3 billion annually, and we pay her, then she will never die
  13. New Year day
    New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 12
    +3
    why, after almost 30 years of depressing experiments, they did not understand the simplest truth: any candidate for the post of president in the "non-profit" is just a protege of one or another oligarchic clan, and in itself does not mean anything and does not solve!

    the author calls not to go to the polls? He, the author, will not deny the fact that despite all this, the Ukrainians are changing their presidents, and this even if the current president has administrative resources. What does this mean?
    -About the turnover of power. Bad or good, Ukrainians know better. No one will become bronzed with them, and they can also inflict an investigation on the outgoing president. Here's a catch recourse
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 6 December 2020 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      Ukrainians change their presidents, and this is even if the current president has administrative resources. What does this mean?

      any candidate for the post of president in the "nezalezhnoy" is just a protege of one or another oligarchic clan, and in itself does not mean anything and does not decide
  14. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 December 2020 19: 45
    -1
    Quote: Silvestr
    And if we pay her $ 3 billion annually, and we pay her, then she will never die

    And if we don't? Sooner or later the freebie will end!
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 6 December 2020 20: 20
    -1
    But no - the citizens of Ukraine have gone to the other extreme. In the last presidential election, they voted ... no, not for the showman Vladimir Zelensky, but for the image he created on the screen of a "servant of the people", a kind of "president from the plow" Vasily Goloborodko.

    Sheep saw a white screen when it was broadcast on TV
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 6 December 2020 21: 26
    -7
    The author burns as always: "the economy under Yanukovych has reached fantastic performance" lol Yes, because the oligarchs threw him off, that the economy began to stagnate. For his clan squeezed everything and everything. The business was stupidly selling assets and taking money out of the country, since tomorrow they will come and "make an offer that cannot be refused."
    And another thing: "Kiev turned into a cesspool under Klitschko." At the same time, the people of Kiev evaluate his activities differently. He was re-elected in the first round. And his rivals received several times fewer votes. And, as you can imagine, he was not chosen for his eloquence. wassat
    1. sevryuk
      sevryuk 7 December 2020 19: 46
      0
      Kiev has always voted as a Ukrainian village. Don't forget Chernovetsky.
  17. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 December 2020 00: 22
    0
    ... any contender for the presidency in ... is just a henchman of certain oligarchic clans ...
    The phrase is relevant not only for "nezalezhnoy" ...
  18. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 7 December 2020 09: 06
    0
    when my relatives began to convince me in all seriousness that the main thing in the elections is not the result (who was chosen), but the very fact of the elections, I gave them up ..... the results of this "we can hold elections" I have already observed on the 4th president Ukraine ... everything is more beautiful and better
  19. Glenni
    Glenni 7 December 2020 10: 19
    0
    Everything is all right in Ukraine, you can't wait!
    1. iouris
      iouris 7 December 2020 11: 12
      0
      It's like in Zhvanetsky: "And what about this harm? And we don't feel it ... But we don't feel it ... But we don't feel it ..."
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 7 December 2020 19: 48
      0
      Soon the European standards will start working. Rather, they have already earned money - in a communal apartment. In salaries, for sure, too. Otherwise, what was the muydan jumping for?
  20. iouris
    iouris 7 December 2020 11: 10
    0
    What do you mean "unlucky"? And so it was intended. Everything goes according to plan.
  21. mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 7 December 2020 11: 33
    +1
    The problem is that everyone who could be nominated to power is in the Donbass, in exile or in the grave. And not a single normal specialist with the current authorities "will sit on one hectare to fulfill natural needs." And the assortment in the elections, relatively speaking, is Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann ........ The possibility of adequate people coming to power is approximately the same as in Germany at the end of the 30s of the last century.
  22. wow
    wow 7 December 2020 11: 42
    0
    Out is complete! The point of no return has already been passed. So we are waiting, sir!
  23. Dimide
    Dimide 7 December 2020 12: 47
    -1
    The author is very far from knowing the current political trends in Ukraine.
    They voted for Zelensky not because he successfully played the image of Goloborodko, but because he was not a systemic candidate.
    Even now, in the midst of the crisis, Ze has a large 30% confidence in the population.
  24. sevryuk
    sevryuk 7 December 2020 19: 39
    0
    "That is why they were re-elected for a second term - the only one in the history of the country that received any stability under him."

    the BUSSR, as well as the BRSFSR, are parts of the country. Feudal "presidencies".
  25. Cresta999
    Cresta999 8 December 2020 11: 20
    0
    The article is straightforward with its naivety.
    However, another thing remains unclear - why, after almost 30 years of depressing experiments, they did not understand the simplest truth: any candidate for the presidency in the "nezalezhnoy" is just a protege of one or another oligarchic clan, and in itself does not mean anything and does not solve!

    Is it wrong in our country or any other country? !! Who is this written for? For pink ponies?
  26. Egor53
    Egor53 8 December 2020 11: 28
    +1
    Ukraine is incomplete. And not because the presidents there are bad, but because the Ukrainians are stupid dropouts. Any Ukrainian who has received an education becomes Russian and stops talking at the dough.
    There is no Ukrainian language as such, there is a surzhik with a tiny vocabulary. There is no literature on this surzhik, there is no technical language, or medical or legal. Judge for yourself - a gynecologist in Ukrainian is a puffer, and a midwife is a puporizka. Well, what a normal person on this .... will talk.
    This dressing is suitable only for peasants in their everyday life. And where there is no culture, the nation cannot be normal.
    The beauty and melodiousness of the Ukrainian language is discussed by those who do not know it.
    I know what I’m talking about, I am fluent in this dump, but I speak it only in the market with illiterate peasants. With educated people, I speak Russian or English.