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Our "Pentagon Wars". Realities of domestic military R&D

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Raised in a short article "Unmanned" swarms "are preparing for battle" questions require clarification in terms of Research and Development (R&D) (in general, and promising robotic systems (RTK) in particular) and countering air defense-UAVs ("At the forefront of confrontation: UAVs against air defense"). This article is the first in a series of materials about our R&D.


Director Richard Benjamin's Pentagon Wars (1988) provides an edgy and grotesque look at the wrong side of some US military research and development (R&D). A smart good movie with a lot of humor (and not American, but rather English) is highly recommended for viewing. Persons related to the military sphere or the military-industrial complex will receive a separate aesthetic pleasure.

A quite reasonable question arises: "How does it all look here?" Especially in the situation after the failure of the dates of many ROCs, the actual military-technical revolution and a significant aggravation of the military-political situation?

It is difficult to describe how all this "functions" in our country in simple Russian. If only because he can break, and he (for an accurate transmission of reality) will need the help of very strong boatswain's expressions. But we will try.

The whole "depth of our depths" - a short excursion


On this topic, there is a series (including those available on the Internet) of excellent articles by experts well-known and respected in the defense industry and the Ministry of Defense. Despite the fact that they did not raise all the problematic issues, but what they said was “enough for validol”. For those who want to understand what is generally happening with the creation of military equipment in our country, a series of these articles is highly recommended for reading. Journal "Automation tools and technologies":

No. 3/2017 "The paper underside of military electronics"
No. 3/2015 "Military electronics: an overview of the regulatory framework and practice of its application"
№ 3/2013 "Military electronics: Brownian motion in paper mazes, or life by concepts"
No. 3/2011 "Military electronics: summary from the" paper "front"
№ 3/2009 "Paper" features of the national military electronics "
No. 3/2007 "Procedural issues of the use of electronic means in military equipment: regulatory framework and the truth of life."

Taking an example from the authors (and in order to avoid using strong boatswain's vocabulary for an accurate description of what is happening), we will refer to official sources as much as possible, but with our own comments, considering it also possible to illustrate them with suitable screenshots from the film "Pentagon Wars".

First, let's find out what is a normal R&D organization?

This is (briefly):

- Normal stages of R&D of weapons and military equipment (AME) and their timing: search R&D (research work), applied R&D (with detailed justification and formation of the necessary groundwork for this appearance and requirements for promising weapons), development work ( ROC), ensuring serial production and operation (intended use) of AME with the implementation of its modernization.

- Effective and capable developers and customer structures.

- Adequate regulatory framework and adequate funding (and its size is far from the most important thing here).

- Strong scientific foundation and technological and personnel capabilities of the industry.

How did it look in the USSR?

As an illustration, you can cite (the key is highlighted) a good article by Ph.D. Major General S. Kolganov "Ordering weapons in the Soviet way":

Decisions on the development of weapons and military equipment (AME) were made at the highest party (Central Committee of the CPSU) and state (Council of Ministers of the USSR) levels. All the organizational and directive work in this direction was carried out by a special body - the Commission of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on military-industrial issues (MIC) ... Directly the preparation of materials aimed at substantiating and developing program documents on the development of weapons was carried out by the Ministry of Defense (General Staff of the Armed Forces, apparatus of the Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR for armaments - chief of armaments of the Armed Forces) together with the directorates of the commanders-in-chief and the main headquarters of the branches of the Armed Forces, the commanders and headquarters of the branches of the armed forces.

The bulk of the work was directly carried out by ordering directorates and scientific and technical committees of the services of the Armed Forces and combat arms ...... the leadership of the Armed Forces service, combat arms, ordering directorates and scientific and technical committees formed a list of tasks for the development of the Armed Forces service and the creation of advanced weapons and military equipment with the required characteristics.

Based on this list, plan of scientific work of the branch of the Armed Forces ...
The presence of this plan ensured the personal responsibility of all officials for the results of their work ... Acceptance of research results, as a rule, took place in sharp and principled discussions, which made it possible to find the most rational solutions to the most difficult issues.

In addition, the main headquarters, directorates of the main command, branch of the military, ordering directorates acted as customers of scientific research by the nature of their activities, which significantly increased the objectivity of research conducted by research institutes and universities (and their quality). All the main results of scientific work were reported to the commander-in-chief (or commander), who at that time was the general customer of weapons for his type of Armed Forces (branch of the armed forces)... As a future consumer of the weapons being created, it was the commander-in-chief who fully imagined the role and place of new equipment in the troops, in the conduct of hostilities, and was interested in making the decisions necessary for the troops.

... The undoubted advantage of the existing system was its transparency and the presence of top officials who were objectively interested in obtaining high-quality weapons. The disadvantage was poor coordination at the interspecific level, as a result of which weapons and military equipment sometimes appeared that solved similar problems.

That is, the strength of the “Soviet system” was that resources (financial, production, human) were in the hands of those who were directly responsible for the case (there were several of them in certain types of the RF Armed Forces). Due to the fact that military missions (VP) were included in the system of ordering directorates of the services of the USSR Armed Forces, the customers knew the real situation, opportunities and problems in the defense industry organizations well, had constant and effective feedback on the decisions made and implemented.

The main weakness was not even (indicated by S. Kolganov) duplication of a number of works, but serious problems where the "interspecific coordination" began. Moreover, where the topic turned out to be without a "master", there could simply be a complete blockage. An illustrative example of this is the anti-torpedo protection (PTZ) of the USSR Navy. Having the necessary scientific and technical groundwork in order to have them at the most modern level, the USSR Navy received in fact a complete failure, due to the frank "orphanhood" of the topic ("lost" between the miners, acoustics, electronic warfare officers, "calculators", "mechanics" ).

Note. Today, the situation with the organization of this issue is even worse, because that (PTZ), which formally and in fact refers to the MPS (marine underwater arms), "Gave" to the "diocese" of the "REBovtsev", which by their nature were engaged in the "upper hemisphere" (that is, electromagnetic waves), and about what hydroacoustics and hydroacoustic countermeasures (SGPD) are, they had and still have performance.

Thus, the Soviet system really needed to be reformed. Instead, she was broken.

What is happening with us today?


The first stage was the "consolidation of customers" with the formation of "single customers" in the types of the RF Armed Forces in 2006 (in the Navy this was the Department of Orders and Supplies of Ships and Weapons).

The “logical” (in quotes) subsequent decision was the creation in 2011 of a single customer in the Ministry of Defense (Department of State Defense Order).

In addition, at that time, another major mistake was made - the withdrawal of military missions from the subordination of the customers of the services of the RF Armed Forces and the formation of a single Directorate of military representations of the RF Ministry of Defense. As a result, customers almost immediately lost not even "feedback", but an idea of ​​the real "situation".

An illustrative example - история with diesels for the MRK series of project 22800, when the Navy until the very last moment (until the disaster with this state defense order became a fait accompli) had no idea about the real situation at the manufacturer (and the fact that its leadership initially and deliberately went actually into disruption GOZ and series of ships).

In 2007, it was decided to excommunicate power state customers (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, etc.) from the money due to the thieving of generals. They were managed by Rosoboronpostavka, created as an anti-corruption seal between customers and executors of the state defense order. Rosoboronzakaz has been guarding the efficiency of spending budget funds since 2004. The role of the arbiter and coordinator between the security forces and industry was played by the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Government of the Russian Federation. The decisions of the military-industrial complex have become binding on all executive bodies.

On January 1, 2014, 44-FZ entered into force. The main goal of its adoption is to defeat corruption, in which every fifth “military” ruble is being stolen today. Won? It looks like no.

From January 1, 2015 Rosoboronpostavka and Rosoboronzakaz have been abolished. The role of their "gravedigger" was performed by S. Shoigu, who addressed V. Putin in May, who imposed the resolution "I Agree" on this address. In the defense industry, this event was greeted with a bang. The Ministry of Defense at Rosoboronpostavka, as follows from the official website of the Ministry of Defense, has a new Department of Public Procurement. Generals again became the managers of the money, the intermediary disappeared. The oversight functions previously performed by Rosoboronzakaz have been distributed among other existing executive authorities.

The Institute of Military Acceptance, practically destroyed by A. Serdyukov, has been restored. Its number has increased from almost 7,5 to 25 thousand people. Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 612 in the summer of 2014 returned to the classical form and function of the VP, including control of pricing and participation in contractual work.

Current state of affairs


Briefly on the structure of the organizations of the Ministry of Defense responsible for R&D (functionality taken from the official website of the RF Ministry of Defense).


Military Scientific Committee (VNK) Of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: designed to solve the problems of scientific substantiation of promising directions of construction, development, training, use and support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in real and predicted conditions of a military-political, economic and demographic situation. The VNK of the RF Armed Forces is a military science governing body, which is directly subordinate to the Chief of the General Staff.

In addition, the Chief of the General Staff is directly subordinate to the Directorate (for the construction and development of a system for using unmanned aerial vehicles) of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

Since the distant Soviet times, the Deputy Minister for Armaments was responsible for armament (in the status, like the Chief of the General Staff, first deputy). The last “chief armed man” - the first deputy minister was General of the Army Y. Borisov, however, with the appointment of the current “chief armed man” of the RF Ministry of Defense, Krivoruchko A.Yu. the status of the position was significantly downgraded, and today on the official website of the Ministry of Defense it ranks 10.

The Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation is responsible for organizing the military-technical support of the Armed Forces (AF). Supervises the activities of military command and control bodies, military units and organizations for planning the development of weapons, military and special equipment (AME); organizes the development of proposals and the implementation of the Fundamentals of the Military-Technical Policy of the Russian Federation in the Armed Forces and coordinates their implementation by federal executive bodies; carries out the functions of a state customer in the field of defense in terms of weapons and military equipment and measures to eliminate them within the framework of the implementation of international treaties assigned to the Ministry of Defense; organizes and manages, jointly with the General Staff, the development and implementation of a unified military-technical policy in the Armed Forces on the creation and modernization of weapons and military equipment ...


A number of structures are subordinate to him, the key of which are the following.

Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation:

is responsible for organizing and coordinating the activities of military command and control bodies that carry out orders for research and development work (R&D), testing, procurement, repair, disposal and liquidation of weapons and military equipment (AME), military-technical property and other materiel, ... within the framework of the state defense order.


Scientific and Technical Committee (Arms Development):

designed to perform functions of military-scientific support for the development of a draft of the foundations of the military-technical policy of the Russian Federation on the creation and improvement of weapons, military and special equipment (AME), support and assessment of the results of their implementation; organization of information and analytical support for the planning, placement and implementation of tasks of the state defense order (SDO) in terms of weapons and military equipment; consolidated planning and organizational and methodological support of scientific, military-historical work, publishing and congress-exhibition activities of military units and organizations for planning the development of weapons.

Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for ensuring the state defense order (DOGOZ):

intended for implementation by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation functions of the state customer of the state defense order in terms of preparation for the placement of tasks of the state defense order, control and accounting for the implementation of state contracts for the development, supply, service, modernization, repair according to the fixed nomenclature of weapons, military, special equipment and materiel.


Office of military missions Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

is intended for the organization of work on quality control and acceptance of weapons, military and special equipment (AME), quality control and acceptance of military products intended for export (MPN), aviation civil engineering and space systems and complexes for scientific, socio-economic and commercial purposes.

In addition, there is also the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army P.A.Popov, in whose subordination is Main Directorate of Research Activities and Technological Support of Advanced Technologies (Innovative Research) Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (GUNID):

is intended for organizing innovative and congress and exhibition activities in the Ministry of Defense, exercising the powers of the Ministry of Defense in the field of state support for innovative activities, supporting scientific, technical and innovative projects, as well as creating conditions for their implementation in order to create promising weapons.


Note. When creating, the GUNID was initially conceived as a "second customer" (to the main customer - DOGOZ), in relation to the promising subject matter of the Ministry of Defense. However (for a number of reasons) this was not implemented, as a result the new (no longer new) structure was de facto looking for a place for itself in the R&D "kitchen" of the Ministry of Defense. Without the function of ordering (and in the presence of a number of other structures), the current status of the GUNID is somewhat "ambiguous".

Here it is necessary to remember about such a very serious and respected structure as Main Missile and Artillery Directorate (GRAU), which is responsible for:

- planning and organizing the provision of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with weapons, military equipment and other material resources according to the assigned nomenclature;
- organizing the improvement of the elements of the missile-technical (RTO) and artillery-technical support (ArtTO) system and coordinating the activities of the military command and control bodies on RTO and ArtTO issues.

At the same time, GRAU is included in the structure Logistics of the RF Armed Forces Army General Bulgakov D.V. It will be appropriate to recall:

20.06.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Russian Ministry of Defense did not liquidate the archive of the Main Missile and Artillery Directorate (GRAU), where historical information about Russian arsenals was stored, the press service and information department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said in a message with reference to the head of the GRAU, Major General Alexander Romanovsky.

“The information in the media that the RF Defense Ministry has liquidated the archive of the Main Missile and Artillery Directorate, which contained information about all Russian arsenals and weapons production for more than 500 years of history, does not correspond to reality,” A. Romanovsky said.

“This is impossible by definition, since all documents on GRAU up to the 40th century are stored in the Russian State Archive of Ancient Acts, from the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries in the Russian State Military-Historical Archive, from the beginning of the XNUMXth century to the XNUMXs (last century - IF-AVN) in the Russian State Military Archives. All these archives are part of the Rosarkhiv system, and the history of GRAU is stored in its funds, ”he added.

"Archival documents from the 40s of the XX century to the present are carefully stored in the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, some of the documents on the history of the GRAU are concentrated directly in the department," said the head of the GRAU.

Meanwhile, earlier the former head of the GRAU, Colonel-General Nikolai Svertilov, said that the Russian Defense Ministry had liquidated the GRAU archive, which contained information about all Russian arsenals.

“Even the Bolsheviks in 1917 did not raise their hands to liquidate the archive of the Main Artillery Directorate of the tsarist army, as the GRAU was called then. But now, while optimizing the central directorates of the military department, under the pretext that there are no extra areas, it was decided to destroy the most valuable archive of the GRAU. In fact, we are destroying history with our own hands, ”said N. Svertilov.

N. Svertilov stressed that after the current reorganization of the GRAU, in fact, the main role of the head office for the organization, storage and provision of troops with rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition has actually lost.

“Now from GRAU, as a whole, there are horns and legs. Science was transferred to one department, overhaul - to another, storage and assembly of ammunition and missiles - to a third "
, - he said.

In this publication of Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the representative of the RF Ministry of Defense, to put it mildly, was not telling the truth, or rather, he was engaged in “substitution of the thesis”. Yes, the lion's share of historical documents was in the archives he indicated, but they were also in the archives of the GRAU! However, the main thing was different, the destruction of most of the documentation on current R&D (and equipment in service). And this (in fact, a deliberate sabotage) was not only with the GRAU archive, but with all the structures of the RF Ministry of Defense, then reformed. In fact, there was a direct destruction of the accumulated experience and scientific and technical groundwork for the creation of promising weapons and military equipment.

There are also types of armed forces (Navy, Aerospace Forces, Ground Forces, Strategic Missile Forces, Airborne Forces) and their scientific organizations, which seem to be responsible for the case for their intended purpose, but all the resources are not with them, but in the central bodies of the Ministry of Defense.

I emphasize once again that society considers that "the fleet is responsible for the ships", "for the aircraft - the Air Force (VKS)", "for Tanks - landowners ", - simply because" it is so logical ", but in reality it is not so, because the resources for all this are in the central bodies of the Ministry of Defense (while the services of the RF Armed Forces here, in fact, only have a "deliberative vote").

At the same time, it is necessary to understand that “resources” are not only and not so much financial, but rather decisions on the subject of work, the content of their TTZ, and the appointment of receiving commissions. For the types of the RF Armed Forces, the “right to vote” here is purely “substantial”.

The basis of irresponsibility


In fact, some are responsible for the case, without having the resources. And those who have the resources very often simply bear no responsibility for anything. In this case, it happens when a number of topics have several "curators". And also such situations when it is not very clear who should be responsible for a specific issue.

A few examples.

Example one:

Today there is a widespread opinion in the society that, unlike submarine shipbuilding, where everything is supposedly fine, there is a breakdown after a breakdown on the surface. This is not true. It's just that it was in surface shipbuilding that the problems that had been hushed up for a long time were revealed, and now there is a hard work on their real solution.

Example two:

When they talk about the problems of shipbuilding, they usually remember the Navy, forgetting that a number of functions in this area are actually outside the area of ​​responsibility fleet, but are entrusted to the structures of the Ministry of Defense, including DOGOZ. Therefore, the position of the head of the DOGOZ department on the relevant topic is very weighty and important. The employee who occupies it directly affects the result. The final decisions are made by the bosses of a much higher rank, however, at their level, the volume of current information and affairs is such that it is not possible to delve into in particular ...

The question is about the "responsible official" in this area in the DOGOZ of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It was an almost "legendary" personality of the recent history of the Navy - ex-head of the surface ships department DOGOZ Sobolevsky AA, who "gloriously" "steered" our surface shipbuilding in the late 2000s - early 2010s. (ie during the years of the "Serdyukov pogrom" of the Main Command of the Navy), which directly supervised the development and procurement in our surface shipbuilding.

And then one more example of the "logic" (in quotes) of the decisions made:

The bid in the tender was initially placed on OOO Nevsky Shipyard and Spetsudoproekt. After signing the contract, NSSZ entered into an agreement for the development of design documentation with ZAO Spetsudoproekt (St. Petersburg), otherwise, in its turn, not having the necessary capabilities to fulfill the order, it simply acquired the ST33 project of the Odessa Marine Engineering Bureau. … But this is not the main problem. ... tankers of this size are not needed by the fleet, the project has a small displacement and a deadweight of only nine thousand tons. And this indicator is an important operational factor that determines the capabilities of the Navy to project force in the far sea and oceanic zone. Even in the Indian Navy, the deadweight of tankers, similar in their tasks, significantly exceeds nine thousand tons. There is reason to believe that in this situation the operational capabilities of the Navy and the state were deliberately sacrificed to selfish interests. Many of the oddities of what happened, perhaps, can be explained by the fact that the organizer and curator of the tender, who until early 2014 was the head of the department for the organization of public procurement (DOGOZ) of the RF Ministry of Defense, after the facts that raised questions in surface shipbuilding quickly moved to the chair of the head "Spetsudoproekt".

By the way, tankers are also not the Navy, but the "diocese" of General of the Army Bulgakov (Logistics of the RF Armed Forces), specifically the DTO (Department of Transport Support). The fact that the Navy was "castrated" in terms of capabilities in the far zone by tankers, against the background of the fact that as a result of recent "reforms" entered the former Main Headquarters of the Navy in Moscow ... The rear of the RF Armed Forces is "almost trifles."

Actually, the problem is in the "jungle" of this dense, established organization, where there is no clear responsibility of officials, and those in charge have no resources.

Were there those who raised the question of the abnormality of the existing system? There were. For example, General of the Army Shamanov, Commander of the Airborne Forces, and Admiral Suchkov, Admiral of the RF Ministry of Defense. We managed to do and change some things. In any case, today the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy is not an “English queen” (a literal description made by one of the RF Ministry of Defense officials “sitting on a state defense order”), as it was in 2012–2013, but quite a weighty official. Those. the weight of the apparatus increased, but the inadequate “bureaucratic framework” remained.

It's all just "slightly and slightly". For greater relief, you need to give two illustrative examples.

The first is naval aviation (with which we just have a disaster).

And the second is mine defense (MIP), where it is even worse than a catastrophe (in fact, there is simply no MIP).

When discussing the problems of the new (modernized) Ka-27M helicopter (including in terms of interaction with the ships of the Navy) with the representative of the Central Research Institute of Shipbuilding, all claims were immediately rejected by him ("this is all Fontanka" (branch of the 30th Research Institute of the Air Force, now attached to 4 Central Research Institute), "the application model is 24 Central Research Institute" (operational and strategic research of the Navy), so there can be no complaints about the Central Research Institute of Shipbuilding.

The irony of this situation is that Fontanka (the research organization of the Naval Aviation of the Navy) is not in any way subordinate to the Navy (and scientific organizations of the Navy) and is completely in the VKS system.

Mine defense is "even more fun" because

"The easiest way to fail any business is to appoint several people responsible for it."

As a result, we have units of minesweepers (whose antique armament is "supervised" by the Marine Underwater Weapons Service), anti-submarine sabotage defense units (close to the head of the Navy's Anti-Submarine Warfare Service), which have nothing at all against modern mines (not even non-magnetic divers' equipment) and ... Marine Engineering Service (in which there is nothing to solve this problem, but there are tasks and responsibilities). At the same time, MIS generally refers to the "diocese" of the Rear Services of the RF Armed Forces.

Our "Pentagon Wars". Realities of domestic military R&D

Or more. A highly relevant UAV for the Navy is a target designator for missile weapon systems. Whose will it be? "Rocketeers"? "Pilots" (in "detached" from the Navy "separate carriage")? Or “will you have to run until the 4th Central Research Institute and the Office for Construction and Development of the System for the Use of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles? And you will need to "run" so many, many times. Here we can recall the fact that recently a separate "unmanned service" has appeared as part of the Main Command of the Navy.

And it will not even be very possible to condemn the relevant bosses, who are already rushing about "like squirrels in a wheel" practically without days off, but here they are encouraged to "increase the length of the races several times.

Therefore, the "servicemen" have questions: "Maybe, well, him?" and "Perhaps there will be no war?"

And if in the west of UAVs target designators for ships began to be used en masse since 1990, then Krasnaya Zvezda several years ago proudly wrote about an initiative warrant officer from a Pacific Fleet missile boat using a personal drone in exercises.

Note. Yes, the fleet began to carry out exercises with the "Eagles" and "Outposts" - they were forced. In some cases - "heavy army boots". But this is not at all what is actually needed.

By the way, "a wonderful question": "Who will be more important -" pilots "or" missilemen "(with different points of view in their organizations)?" Especially given the fact that if “something is wrong,” the military prosecutor’s office is “always happy to help”: both the developers and the military. See, for example, just an "epic story" with the military prosecutor's office of the Northern Fleet, which demanded in 2014-2015. coordination of the repair of torpedoes (including the ammunition load of the NSNF) with ... Kiev (Kiev Automation Plant). And this is just what has surfaced.

By drones. We made a breakthrough in the early 2010s, when there was no such organizational insanity. And then, this could be done by those who perfectly understood that "it smells like gunpowder." "Grounds" (and not the Air Force, which "unmanned" then "filled up" everything). Those more than 2000 UAVs (which our Armed Forces currently have) are a consequence of this leap, which is now being reproduced in a mass production (with some upgrades). However, it is rapidly becoming obsolete.

In the comments to articles on UAV swarms, they tried to object to the author: they say, we have "Geoscan" (which is outdated), effective "parades of copters" with a huge number of UAVs involved.


Alas, this example is "by". Starting with the fact that these are civilian UAVs, and with a rather simple "logic" of the "swarms" functioning. And ending with the fact that, according to the available information, in "Geoscan" and so "everything is good" and "hemorrhoids" with developments for the RF Ministry of Defense, they are, to put it mildly, not interested. According to the latter, it may have changed (but they were not at the "Army-2020", which is quite obvious), but a few years ago this was exactly the case.
However, only all of the above problems are not limited.

Licensing


Do you want to do something (develop and release) for the Ministry of Defense (even a simple nail)? Then, if you please, for a start, get a license that you (your company) is a "purebred dog", and not some "rootless mongrel":

... At the end of summer 2015, the defense enterprises of the Crimea were loaded by 40%. Wherein the main problem was obtaining licenses and permits. A vicious circle, which is not broken even today: if there is no agreement, you will not receive a license; there is no license - you cannot conclude a contract.


I stress once again:

You can't get a license without a contract. No contract is concluded without a license.

The real situation. Organization. The CEO and the military representative are sitting. They break their heads. The issue of compulsory obtaining a license for the production of weapons and military equipment (previously not required) arose. And without it, further deliveries are excluded. However, obtaining this license immediately becomes the basis for a criminal case: “illegal business”. (How did you ship (and receive) the products before?)

On November 26, 2008, the Government of the Russian Federation took a new step to put things in order in the licensing procedure - it approved Resolution No. 889. It sets complete clarity on the issue of what a license is needed and what is not. The concept of "military equipment" now includes component parts and components. In other words, you need a license for absolutely everything! We returned to the initial state: the defense industry has no right to buy a worthy “civilian” product if the license is not “stuck” to it. A normal domestic manufacturer will not even be able to offer its products without a “pass” in the form of a license for the defense market.
But component parts in the overwhelming majority of cases (and non-corrugated products - almost always) are intersectoral products ...

A vivid example of the savagery of the current licensing situation, the facts after the loss of two aircraft at Kuznetsov during its military service. After the rupture of the aerofinishers at Kuznetsov, the fleet urgently summoned (to the Mediterranean) specialists from the Proletarian Plant, which was refused. Since the plant had the corresponding license at the place of its actual location. And work in the Mediterranean was not mentioned in the license. That is, it was already illegal business and fell under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. "Homeland needs"? In response, the Navy was reminded how many people had actually "sat down" earlier for such a "need" (in strict accordance with the current legislation) ... The question was still "somehow solved". But from a legal point of view, it was still a "gray area".

Moreover, licensing is not at all under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Industry and Trade (with one caveat: documents for licensing are accepted certified, including by military acceptance). Moreover, even if the documents are in complete order, there are many completely legal formal grounds for refusing to grant a license (especially in a competitive situation). Of course, there are “good Samaritans” who are ready to help “for a small bribe” and “arrange everything” (regardless of the applicant's real ability to work on the subject claimed for a license).

Is the licensing procedure for military equipment fair? No, it's not. If only because the existing regulatory framework does not give an exact answer to the general question: "What is subject to licensing in the field of military equipment and what is not?" Is an anchor, engine, furniture, battery, coffin military equipment? If so, then the one who produces them and supplies the Ministry of Defense without a license - to prison (Art. 171 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). There are reports of such criminal cases related to this "feature" of the legislation. There are dozens of them. This circumstance not only breaks the fate of specific people, but also harms the country as a whole, artificially limiting the circulation of civilian products used for military purposes and healthy competition. Moreover, foreign suppliers do not have such risks - imports are regulated differently.

In conclusion - about the need for licensing the development of weapons and military equipment. Until 2001, this type of activity was not subject to licensing: the law of the Russian Federation of September 25.09.1998, 158 No. XNUMX-FZ allowed the designers of diodes and even tanks to work miracles without any license. But the law stopped this idyll: so that engineer Petrov could legitimately invent the world's best "nails", his general director Ivanov had to obtain a license for the right to develop them.

The paradox is that “if you are careful, you can” engage in de facto development of military equipment, “calling” this process R&D (research work). "Just" experimental samples of products (or complexes) must be made with the RKD and "all the requirements" in order to "deftly" bring what has turned out to be tested within the framework of the "Regulations for proactive development ..."

It is amazing, but true: this "Provisions ..." of the military-industrial complex, contrary to a bunch of federal laws, actually worked (and made it possible for developers to act on the creation of promising models of weapons and military equipment). In this regard, the expediency of replacing it with a document of a much lower level (order of the Ministry of Defense), to put it mildly, raises doubts.

If the current regulatory framework had been in 1941, the world would never have seen an AK assault rifle: Senior Sergeant Kalashnikov M.T. with a 9-grade education, not only would they not have issued a license (in principle, he would not have been able to fulfill any of the licensing requirements!), but simply would have been imprisoned.

Meanwhile, the thought involuntarily arises: is licensing necessary at all? Such a thought, in particular, after reading (the article), where it is happily reported that after 205 years of activity, NPO Izhmash finally received the first Rosoboronzakaz license for the development, production and sale of ammunition. But how did this enterprise produce these ammunition for 205 years without a license? And will this ammunition be the best in the world thanks to a license?

As they say, no comment.

Scientific and technical groundwork is the most critical R&D problem


Scientific and technical groundwork (NTZ) is a "foundation" not only for the modern weapons and military equipment themselves, it is also the awareness of how to effectively use them. Essentially - an understanding of modern war (and the ability to wage it).

С the official website of the Ministry of Defense:

A scientific and technological reserve is a set of available new results of intellectual activity in the field of science and technology, critical and breakthrough technologies, the development and implementation of which in industrial production leads to an increase in the efficiency of the functioning of industries and the development of new technical systems (products) in production.

To date, the key elements have been clarified that determine the priority areas for creating a scientific and technical reserve for promising types of weapons, military and special equipment (AME). This primarily concerns the "List of basic and critical military technologies for the period up to 2025" and "The list of priority areas for fundamental, predictive and exploratory research in the interests of ensuring the country's defense and state security for the period until 2025".

Based on the results of the analysis of the development of new weapons and military equipment, significant changes were made to the list of military technologies, mainly related to the development of complexes of unconventional weapons, hypersonic aircraft, communication and control systems. Each military technology contains a detailed description in the form of a passport, reflecting its focus, critical characteristics, level of readiness, estimated cost and other parameters necessary for further use in the preparation of the state armament program (GPV) and the state defense order (SDO). As a result, the revised list includes 9 basic, 48 critical and 330 military technologies.


The key questions are: "Who pays?" and "Who Calls the Tune?" In order to “save money”, even under Serdyukov, the RF Ministry of Defense decided that the Ministry of Industry and Trade should be primarily responsible for the formation of a promising NTZ (and the Ministry of Defense - “buying (choosing) the goods you like in the store”).

It turned out the same. Without resorting to the boatswain's expressions, we will simply quote the material from the magazine "Armament and Economics" No. 4/2012."The role of scientific and technical groundwork in the innovative processes of creating advanced weapons: problems and solutions" (direct link to PDF-file)



In fact, the phrase “general directions for conducting scientific and technological research require an improvement in the procedure for drawing up, agreeing and implementing the list” is a “fig leaf” of the actual defeat of the system of formation of scientific and technological research for the RF Armed Forces. Some of our successes in the overwhelming majority of cases are the personal work (and merit) of a number of responsible leaders, and not the system (which has actually been destroyed).

However, the positive shifts in the system of arms and military equipment orders did not affect science, which in Soviet times played an important role in substantiating the necessary nomenclature of arms and military equipment and their performance characteristics (tactical and technical characteristics). Military science has moved to the stage of loss of functionality. At least, V. Burenok, President of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences, claims so. We do not know exactly what our Armed Forces need and with what parameters. Often, TTZ (tactical and technical assignment) for the creation of new samples contains requirements that are beyond the laws of physics and common sense. Meanwhile, the "reforms" of the military-scientific complex (MSC) continue. In the course of their implementation, military science became "like a patient who is continuously operated on, and he no longer thinks about productive life, his task is to recover from endless pain and simply survive."

Let's just quote a few blocks from the previous articles of the author (and speeches at the events of the RF Ministry of Defense).

During the military-technical forum "Army-2015", an extremely interesting and useful round table "Marine underwater weapons (MPS): realities and prospects" was held.

The most acute problem of the Navy's R&D is the deliberately unrealistic timing of work. The real minimum development period for a torpedo is 6 years (and usually more), and these figures are in line with world experience. Unrealistic R&D deadlines are not only their inevitable disruption, which forces the developer to make sub-optimal design decisions, significantly limiting the possibility of the developed MPS sample.

Another problem is the presence (more precisely, the lack) of the necessary scientific and technical groundwork for the successful conduct of R&D. Practically all R&D projects in recent years began without a sufficient and reliable NTZ, thereby setting the deadline and problems with the implementation of the TTZ ROC.

Link

At the Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on October 5, 2015, the author raised questions about the existing critical problems of IGOs:
... without carrying out complex research and development, we will not get a modern MPO. Today we do not have a full-fledged scientific and technical groundwork even in order to write a substantiated TTZ ROC. Example: ROC "Lomonos", which was supposed to become the base in the adopted "Concept for the development of naval underwater weapons." At the Army-2015 forum it was announced that the Lomonos ROC was closed. The reasons were clear, and they were named - unrealistic terms and requirements, lack of a normal scientific and technical groundwork.

Separately, it should be said about the level of scientific and technical support for the work carried out by industry. There are three components:

- scientific research organizations (NIO) of the Navy;
- Department of State Defense Order (DOGOZ);
- military acceptance.

In the NIO of the Navy, where the TTZ was developed, the ROC "Lomonos" knew perfectly well the whole unreality of this, nevertheless, it was done.

Further - the Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for ensuring the state order (DOGOZ) is actually responsible "for the line" in the plan, for the case - not.

The customer system that existed in Soviet times had a lot of flaws, but in it the resources were in the hands of the boss who was responsible for solving the problem, and he knew the real situation (through acceptance).

In order for the system that we have today to work effectively, it is necessary to introduce dual subordination to the Office of Military Representations (UVP) and DOGOZ, for example, at the level of deputy commanders for armament of the Armed Forces (with the formation of the corresponding apparatus).

But the most important issue is the formation of a scientific and technical reserve, for this we need comprehensive research and development. If there is no money for them, then it will be necessary to reduce the number of ships, because without critically necessary scientific research and testing, we cannot further ensure their real combat capability.

The same persons, who submitted false reports to the management about the imaginary well-being, under the pretext of “lack of money” in the “fat financial years” simply “strangled” all R&D on the subject of IGOs. The wildness of the situation is that even in the difficult 90s, the RF Ministry of Defense tried to preserve critical R&D as much as possible (and preserved them!), Because there was an understanding that there is no future without them.

Characteristic is the discussion that unfolded at the IGO conference of the Army-2015 forum on one of the “innovative detection systems” that the Navy NIO “prescribed” in almost all current R&D projects. The head of the development organization admitted that from the real groundwork there are only "results of mathematical modeling", and the range is very small. At the same time, its implementation was "justified" by the termination of promising research projects on the subject of acoustic CLOs! As they say - "a mistake is worse than a crime"! Maybe the point is that the head of the torpedo department of the NIO of the Navy had a thesis on this "innovative topic"?

Link

Scientific research work (R&D)


From the speech of the First Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov to the participants of the general meeting of members of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences on December 7, 2012:

It is necessary to eradicate the practice of opening ROC without carrying out appropriate research and development work (R&D). Conducting research and development guarantees us from mistakes in the future, reduces the risks of unsuccessful completion of development work. In the process of performing research, in addition to preparing a scientific and technical report, if necessary, prototyping is carried out, according to the results of which the contractor must convince the customer of the possibility of implementing certain technical solutions. And only after that, on the basis of objective data, a draft technical assignment can be formed, a feasibility study for future development projects can be carried out.


Army General Borisov Yu.I.


Graphics from the article "Special groundwork" Borisov Yu.I. Falichev O.V., 2017

Link

Draws attention to the excess of 500% of expenditures for the project 885 "Ash" (and which in the form stipulated by the State contract of the Navy and the industry, have not been able to pass until now. For example, "Last" and everything connected with it). Here it is appropriate to recall the disgrace with the weapons (and the old torpedoes USET-80 and "Physicist-1") demonstrated to the President of the country a year ago in Sevastopol (under the Laika project), despite the allegedly "successfully completed" R&D on it.


It should be admitted that before that, a significant part of the research and development work of the RF Ministry of Defense was an outright “use of budget funds” with minimal results. At the same time, even in the most difficult 90s, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation carried out a number of research projects that allowed us to preserve and develop the modern scientific and technical groundwork. In spite of all extremely acute problems, the relevant leaders understood that it was impossible to "cut" these R&D projects, because the future would be "cut down" with them.

In the course of Serdyukov’s reforms, many “modern and effective managers” came to the Ministry of Defense, who were taught in the MBA to “cut the cost” (cut costs). And they were the first to "cut" the absolutely incomprehensible "science" (including the military). If there is no one of our own, we will buy it abroad!

Serdyukov has not been in the Ministry of Defense for 7 years, many of his mistakes have been corrected, but the problem of pogroming promising research projects in the Ministry of Defense has been preserved and is still acute. There are several extremely acute problems with serious long-term negative consequences:

1. The Ministry of Defense, even under Serdyukov, "stabbed" almost all R&D, believing that R&D supposedly "should be conducted by the Ministry of Industry and Trade."

2. There is no money, but I really want “one that has no analogues” and surpasses everything and everyone. Accordingly, blatant lies “bloomed” in various “cartoons” of presentations for the leadership. Let me emphasize that this is not about TV propaganda, but about the "internal" documents of the Ministry of Defense (and other structures. For example, about reports to the Presidential Administration).

3. In the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, there are practically no managers left who are able to effectively conduct and control research.

Sooner or later, resuming OCD with such a background and such approaches at a normal healthy level will be impossible.

The system needs to be changed.

But more about that next time.


PS. About "cartoons and scientific and technical groundwork"



Mobile phone rings:

- Hello, is this Vadim Pavlovich Lukashevich?

- Yes, I'm listening to you.

- The leading designer of the NPO Molniya is speaking to you (mentions his last name). We have a problem - could you explain why on your website www.buran.ru Buran is separated from the second stage of the Energia launch vehicle by the impulse of four shunting engines, and not six?

Stunned by such a question (after all, the leading designer of the Buran development organization calls me), I hesitantly ask again:

- Why are six engines firing and not four?

“We have carried out a computer simulation of the separation process of our product and the second-stage unit, and we have to use six motors to damp the arising oscillations during plane-parallel divergence, without collisions. And you only have four on your site ... Why?

- Wait, but you have developed "Buran" and implemented all the separation issues! You have simulated everything thousands of times and performed it in flight on November 15, 1988! What do I have to do with it? I just drew a beautiful cartoon ... For my website ... I wanted to make a screensaver so that a beautiful picture similar to reality would spin on the computer screen ...

- But you have a four-engine compartment, and we get only six. Why do you only have four?

- Well, we drew "from a lantern", as I understand it, without any calculations and even more so dynamic models. We just drew a beautiful cartoon. If you are modeling on real data, and you get six, then six is ​​correct. What is the problem?

- So we make six for a new product. We simulate on a computer stand - four does not work without collision. We report to the general. And he convenes a large meeting and says that we do not understand anything, because Lukashevich's website is divided by four engines (he saw it himself). And this is fuel economy. If you cannot do it yourself - call Lukashevich and find out how he did it! So I'm calling ...

And I just crawl under the table ... Where I remember that Vladimir Putin, in his last message to the Federal Assembly, speaking about the new strategic missile "Sarmat", showed the whole world a cartoon that we made with screenwriter Andrey Pochtarev in the mid-2000s in Ostankino for a couple of hours "on the knee" for the next release of the "Shock Force" program of the First Channel about "Satan".

I still remember the question of a 3D designer: "What are we going to bomb?"

And my answer is, "Fuck Florida!"

And in the picture, the Sarmat-type is ripping holes in Florida with our MIRVs ...

Well, why not a movie? About our Pentagon Wars?
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  1. page
    page 10 December 2020 05: 15
    +11
    Cruel, but such are the consequences of "effective management". Licenses - I'm shocked at all, I didn't think that it would be so, it looks like it will be even worse.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 10 December 2020 07: 43
      +5
      ... Meanwhile, the thought involuntarily arises: is licensing necessary at all?

      Very, very necessary. Licenses and permits are the main trough for officials (corrupt officials) !! Our esteemed gentlemen have succeeded in this and successfully fit into modern realities. We made fortunes on this !!!

      And to especially stubborn haters rocking the boat of an established stabilizer - we wish: no need to whine and envy !!! Go work!
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 10 December 2020 08: 27
        -1
        Licenses and permits are the main trough for officials


        Far from being the main one.
        A license is needed so that specific trusted enterprises participate in the tenders of the Ministry of Defense and they are not won by dropping the price of businessman Vasily, who has a chair and a fountain pen among all his assets.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 10 December 2020 07: 53
      +3
      but these are the consequences of "effective management".


      These are not exactly the consequences of "effective management". The problem is that by 2007, out of the far from ideal “Soviet system”, a difficult-to-describe structure had emerged, which, consuming very large resources, did not produce results. And the evil Serdyukov was set not just like that, but with the specific purpose of breaking this existing "tangle of like-minded people" who very remarkably mastered the huge budget with an absolute inability to fulfill the assigned tasks.
  2. Dimy4
    Dimy4 10 December 2020 05: 20
    +3
    The usual time ... (strong boatswain's expression) bordering on betrayal. Nobody is responsible for anything. The sword of Damocles of serious punishment does not hang, since the question is serious.
  3. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 10 December 2020 05: 24
    +7
    The troubles of modern Russia are no longer two Ds, but two Cs - corruption and nepotism.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 10 December 2020 07: 02
      +1
      A ,, two K ,, where do they come from? That's right, from irresponsibility, and so on along the entire vertical from top to bottom. Result 1P = 2K.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 10 December 2020 08: 46
        -1
        And here I can see a huge number without Putin.
        1. Svateev
          Svateev 24 December 2020 17: 03
          0
          Quote: EvilLion
          And here I am without Putin

          Note that the Pilot did not indicate Putin, it was you who decoded 1P like this ... yes
  4. Nazar
    Nazar 10 December 2020 05: 24
    +11
    Well, you can't do it like that, in the morning and "on the brain" - "Sooner or later, the resumption of OCD with such a reserve and such approaches at a normal healthy level will be impossible. The system must be changed." - I completely agree with the last conclusion, but what kind of "System"?
    When the "establishment" is not able to function normally, the change of furniture and cosmetic repairs will not help - the "staff" must be changed, and from the very top.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 10 December 2020 05: 47
      +8
      you just need to "treat with understanding" ... "we get up from our knees" ... "ten years of victories are ahead". and this ... "don't rock the yacht!"
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 10 December 2020 06: 26
        +4
        . "Don't rock the yacht!"
        ... The yacht is separate, and the boat is in tow by the yacht, that's why they say "don't swing the boat", we are in the boat without oars, they are on the yacht. smile
      2. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 10 December 2020 08: 20
        +7


        So, this is
      3. stalki
        stalki 10 December 2020 08: 27
        +2
        you just need to "treat with understanding" ... "we get up from our knees" ... "ten years of victories are ahead". and this ... "don't rock the yacht!"
        So it's storming you know wink I would like not to sway, so she sways herself. lol
    2. stalki
      stalki 10 December 2020 08: 22
      +1
      I completely agree with the last conclusion, but what kind of "System"?
      When the "establishment" is not able to function normally, the change of furniture and cosmetic repairs will not help - the "staff" must be changed, and from the very top.
      And what's the point of changing the "actors"? "Writers" are not normal. To change something, or someone, you need to have a replacement, you must first come up with an alternative and choose personnel. Who will do this? The same corrupt officials?
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 10 December 2020 10: 20
        +3
        stalki (Sergei) - Colleague, I wrote - "from the very top" - and de we have "the very top"? - was he buried in Novo-Ogaryovo, or on Bocharov Ruchey?
        And it really makes no sense to change the "actors" - it is necessary to start with the "director" of this circus. hi
        1. stalki
          stalki 10 December 2020 11: 39
          -3
          stalki (Sergei) - Colleague, I wrote - "from the very top" - and de we have "the very top"? - was he buried in Novo-Ogaryovo, or on Bocharov Ruchey?
          And it really makes no sense to change the "actors" - it is necessary to start with the "director" of this circus.
          Will you be the director? Or maybe an oval type, or maybe we put pseudo-communists? Can we deliver? Conversations, conversations .... containers bars rastobary. The alternative will be differently worse than now, especially during this period of time. And it's not so bad as many cry here, it's a mess, and it's a mess in Africa, it's everywhere. The replacement of power should take place legitimately, they have already broken firewood. Personally, I am fed up with revolutions, riots, war and protests with Maidans. Do you have a specific plan to avoid this mess? If not, what is the conversation about? And if you have, go into politics, fight weakly?
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 10 December 2020 21: 37
            +3
            stalki (Sergei) - As you wrote, Colleague - quote: "The replacement of power should take place legitimately ..." - You would explain this to the citizen Tereshkova, and to all the "zeroes" at the same time.
            Nazyrbayev and he found a way to transfer power without shocks, and ours is exactly how Mugabe will cling to the chair to the last - this is what can lead to unwanted excesses.
            Also your quote: "The alternative will be differently worse than now" - ??? I understand, of course, that it is difficult for you to believe this, but the president is not eternal, as it is written by Bulgakov:
            "Yes, man is mortal, but that would be half the trouble. The bad thing is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal, that's the trick!"
            And what if we all wrap ourselves up in sheets and crawl to the cemetery? there is no "alternative" in your opinion.
            And about your proposal to "go into politics" - if I was twenty years younger - I would go, and so, "it took a lot of money" to change, in politics and without me there is already too many old men. hi
            1. stalki
              stalki 10 December 2020 23: 26
              -3
              Well, why are you pounding water in a mortar here? You cannot enter politics, the director is bad, Nazarbayev was apparently better laughing do you even know what's there but what? Do you know better than the president when to leave? I’m looking, can you sign up as advisers to our government? You know, I am more than sure you and 20 years ago could not have done anything, do you know why? Because they couldn't, why didn't they do anything? The tram left. wink at the expense of unheard of, you are right, but that I, that you are pawns, nothing more. Personally, I prefer to abstain from advice, the polytechnic is full of people more talented than me and you. Everyone must do their job. If you can, do it. You cannot, it is better to remain silent. Here on the resource, the adviser is the advisor, the council of people's deputies is direct laughing
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 10 December 2020 06: 04
    +9
    "I come to the director, I say:
    - Who made the suit? Who did this? I won’t do anything, I won’t scream, I just want to look him in the eye.
    It turns out a hundred people. I say:
    - Guys who made a suit?
    They speak:
    - We!
    I say:
    - Who are we"?
    They speak:
    - We have a narrow specialization. One sews a pocket, one sews a small pocket, I personally sew buttons. Do you have any complaints about buttons?
    - No! Sewn to death, do not tear it! Who made the costume? Who sewed sleeves instead of pants? Who, instead of the sleeves, dangled my pants? Who did this?
    They speak:
    - Say thank you that we did not sew a sleeve on the codpiece.
    Can you imagine? There are a hundred of them, and I am alone. And everyone stands like buttons: to death. And I said:
    - Hi guys! You are well settled! "(C)
  6. 210ox
    210ox 10 December 2020 06: 25
    +3
    Well, this is all nonsense. The main thing (according to one member of the forum from an article about the problem of the defense of Kaliningrad) is that our soldiers have a high fighting spirit (a bunch of hats are in store). Damn, the new Menshikov knes ... Courage and valor must be supported by something else ..
  7. mark2
    mark2 10 December 2020 06: 46
    +1
    The overall impression of all these morning articles is, I quote, the authorship is unknown.
    [quote] To a person to change consciousness,
    It costs little and labor.
    Just grab his attention.
    And keep on a leash always

    What is not morning, then propaganda.

    We are all wondering, how is it that people in the government do not change, but only move? Where do so many generalists come from?
    That's where it comes from!
    The entire government is made up of journalists. They understand everything that they don't even take part in.
    1. timokhin-aa
      10 December 2020 10: 38
      0
      What was it written for?
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 10 December 2020 06: 50
    +6
    Like! Bold, too. The author reveals what is actually inaccessible to the understanding of the broad masses. It will be revealed anyway, when the thunder breaks out and it will be too late to be baptized. But this happens in all spheres of life (not only among the military). Therefore, thinking people have questions - why .... do we have such a mess in the country? But because, as the hero of one arthouse film said in his monologue - "you are playing life." Hanging noodles on the ears goes to the very top and everyone is in good "ignorance" that we have all the namazi. Or most likely - everyone is happy with everything. They drank babos, report that everything is buzzing, draw cartoons and voila - life is a success. Blurring, postscripting, hushing up problems, irresponsibility ... And the weight because they wanted to eat chewing gum and flaunt in jeans ... angry
    The IVS would now - and they would learn to work, the resources would become truly popular, and they would be judged not by cartoons, but by deeds ... repeat
    ugh ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 10 December 2020 08: 49
      -3
      Didn't it happen in the USSR? How much interdepartmental nonsense and outright sawing was in the USSR, including ROC according to various "ekranplanam", which gave zero exhaust?
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 December 2020 10: 01
      +5
      He laughed. The author, well, you must understand ... Do you remember the fuss raised by "serious people" in Moscow, when the research work for the oil industry was obliged to be certified by the Academy of Sciences? Milyaga Gref spoke personally, grieving that oil R&D, which we have "ahead of the rest of the world" by a hundred million kilometers, would wither away. And we buy all equipment for oil production, including bolts and nuts, in the West and in China, because here! AN is still an office today, but even so ...
      In general, R&D is an awesomely convenient way to write off billions of rubles just like that. To whom did you donate ten billion? To factory? Where is the plant, what is it doing ?! Look for the factory, make sure that there is something buzzing and thundering, so that the brigades dragged the pieces of iron from corner to corner ... A lot of trouble. And then how simple - the money was spent on research! What research? Secret! How to check? Inspectors need to get one thousand one hundred and forty-two tolerances, release, overflow and overflow. And in ten years he will be shown two dozen "scientists" staining printer paper with some mysterious symbols and diagrams. Go figure them out. But experts cannot be involved! They have no tolerances-lapses-bypasses.
      And licensing! Well this is generally a song. Can you make weapons? Shish you, not a license. But I, quite by accident, have a company with a license. Everything in general, including the creation of worlds. The firm is reputable. It contains the general director, my nephew, ten thousand rubles for the provision of the LLC, the seal and the same License. In general, so, you leave 90% of the profit in this company, and work for yourself completely calmly! And this is only one way to withdraw money from a sucker manufacturer, otherwise there is a sea of ​​them ...
      In general, they will continue to write orders, merge departments, pour them into different glasses and produce other "order". Not to work, well, in fact, for these pitiful billions of rubles! Letting the designers and manufacturers of weapons work. And we just take away from them every opportunity to grow and develop. Is defense capability suffering? Don't you give a damn about it?
    3. timokhin-aa
      10 December 2020 10: 38
      +6
      It will open anyway when thunder breaks out and it will be too late to be baptized


      Exactly
  9. KKND
    KKND 10 December 2020 07: 00
    -6
    Look, guys, in less than a week, three critical articles about Russia have already been published. 1- Timokhina that in paradise it can and will work, but they do not all die. 2 -uzera under the nickname Sakhalinets, where he compared Putin with Gorbachev and Yeltsin. 3 is this.
    That's it, tales about "we will shower everyone with hats!" the campaign ends. The fairy tales "Guard !!!" begin.
    As if the little articles would not go ala "Why do we need Donetsk?"
    My opinion is all because the money of the common people is running out, so the hats are blown away.
    Propaganda has passed into the regime of the 90s ala Karaulov.
    On the topic of the article, in many respects the author is right. Only it is easy to criticize something, try to do something yourself. Do not write articles, but go design machines or production technologies for us so that we do not buy foreign ones. It is very difficult to fix a machine in "pants", but people worked as designers, went to the smoking room, like drug addicts laughed at a stupid joke in order to instinctively relieve tension.
    But why such difficulties is easier to say that everyone around does not understand anything and continue to work with the language.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 10 December 2020 07: 24
      +4
      Quote: KKND
      "Why do we need Donetsk?"

      Try to clearly answer this very question,
      otherwise I am confused, I cannot formulate
      clear and understandable answer.
      1. KKND
        KKND 10 December 2020 07: 41
        -4
        Quote: Bez 310
        Try to clearly answer this very question,
        otherwise I am confused, I cannot formulate
        clear and understandable answer.

        The whole country was confused. Only this does not mean that we have to start listening to all sorts of scammers and shy away from side to side like in delirium.
        What to do? Wait. I don't see any more options in such a deplorable situation. Going around is even worse.
    2. mark2
      mark2 10 December 2020 07: 47
      -4
      Personally, it reminds me of the years of perestroika and 90, when there was a stream of journalistic investigations, when the whole people were told that everything was bad. Today they immediately write that it was not all bad at that time, and in the military-industrial complex in particular. But now it is much worse, and in the military-industrial complex in particular. The feeling that they are preparing the people for new shocks and new breakdowns.
      Today's journalists do not even bother to provide any facts and evidence, especially their physical search. There is the Internet, everything is there. What other evidence can there be? Truth? And the fact that these Internet facts are concocting the same does not occur to many. He who seeks will find. Well, yes, you can find everything in the landfill, even gold.
      There are more and more articles like "it is necessary this way". Everywhere. And what is surprising is that with a general drop in the level of education, as they wrote on VO more than once, there are more and more tips. I would like to propose to collect all these "must" and then register who will perform and at whose expense. There will not be enough people or funds.
      1. KKND
        KKND 10 December 2020 08: 03
        0
        Here the situation is that the state runs out of money, people will be fed much less.
        In such a situation, the old propaganda ala "Russia-Forward!" will look not something that is not appropriate but will only anger people. Here comes the propaganda of the 90s.
        It's not about propaganda. The fact is that the country is running out of resources. Propaganda as a system of state functioning is trying to somehow compensate for this terrible problem.
        There are almost no good options for salvation.
        All the same, I think we are not in the version of perestroika and the late USSR (I do not remember this time, the truth). We are moving towards the 90s, in my estimation.
        The propaganda will try to shout "Help !!! The Americans are coming!" and try to distract the population from the emptying refrigerator with "flying saucers".
        I think our top management is not going to give up yet, they do not yet understand what to do.
        But everything can change at any moment.
        All these are observations of an ordinary man in the street (I). The devil will break his leg. I'm not claiming anything.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 10 December 2020 10: 35
          +1
          KKND - Colleague. here you wrote: "We are moving towards the 90s" - and there will not be a repetition of the 90s, for one simple reason, then after the destruction of the USSR there were a lot of resources in the country, and a huge amount of them was simply "nobody's". People who found themselves without a livelihood could simply go and collect the same scrap metal, and somehow feed themselves, now it will not be so. Everything that could be collected and sold has already been sold. also in the 90s, thousands of people “shuttle” - they went abroad and carried consumer goods from there and existed at the very least from resale - now this niche is tightly occupied, so everything will be much tougher than in the 90s.
      2. timokhin-aa
        10 December 2020 10: 41
        +1
        It's right not to do anything, it will resolve itself, right?
        1. mark2
          mark2 10 December 2020 12: 03
          -5
          There is no need to raise a panic. And of course you have to do it.
          None of us, ordinary citizens, know for sure what is happening in the country and in the world in general. We all judge by our subjective feelings, which are formed by personal feelings and mass media.
          Someone cannot earn a decent life and it seems to him that everything is bad. Someone makes machines for pastry shops, and despite the obstacles, he continues to make them. He's definitely better than the first one.
          Someone reads stories about the power of NATO and comparing articles by the same authors about the Russian army and it seems to him that everything is worse than it really is.
          We do not know what the real combat power of NATO is. We don't even know what our army is really capable of. NATO's military operations do not give a complete picture. According to propaganda before Iraq, it seemed that NATO should be able to handle it in a matter of days. As a result, it took 9 months and then for several years they raked the consequences of suffering losses.
          The same Afghanistan or Syria.
          All this does not mean that the enemy is already very effective. Yes, more dough. And what? Their weapons are more expensive and the costs of secondary economic needs are much higher. And than. NATO is not a single organism, but so ...
          They also want to fight as much as we do. Those. do not want to. How can a new iPhone come out, but they'll kill me)
          What they talk about there on TV is just the chatter of people not endowed with responsibility. Today he is commander in chief, and tomorrow he will be replaced. How many ministers have changed on defense under Trump?
          1. KKND
            KKND 10 December 2020 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: mark2
            There is no need to raise a panic. And of course you have to do it.
            None of us, ordinary citizens, know for sure what is happening in the country and in the world in general. We all judge by our subjective feelings, which are formed by personal feelings and mass media.

            And there is. Reliable information about the military, industrial, financial potential of the country is top secret information.
            The media can only hang noodles. They, ordinary journalists, do not have access to this information. They are nevertheless more informed than ordinary people, but not much. What they say they will say.
            The whole problem of the late USSR and modern Russia is that there is a lot of chatting among the professionals. But doing something really difficult is not at all a lot.
            Mina is also funny, he served in the navy and thinks that he has become a professional. The ordinary military knows little about their super-complex systems. Their job is to press buttons correctly and die with honor. Only a very narrow circle of chief designers knows how radars, sonars, rockets and so on work, but he rushes with some funny graphs on the Runet like a written sack, thinks, since the schedule will not be analyzed and checked (they will add authority to him).
            And he also understands industry and ROC, an expert on all issues.
            But on the other hand, if we came to VO, it means that we are only able to eat this, it’s not even a physics textbook to read, everything is easier here, the uncles will explain who is to blame and what to do on the fingers.
            1. timokhin-aa
              10 December 2020 19: 45
              +2
              Answer from Klimov:

              Monsieur, it is obvious that YOU have never dealt with anything concrete or anything complicated, but also simply have no idea about it. YOUR "judgments", this is not even nonsense, this is ACHINA

              "Especially secret information", for example, the fact that in the combat composition of the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, where there is a NSNF, there is NOT a SINGLE modern secondary armament (and, moreover, ANY NLA PMO). And arbitrations on disruptions to the state defense order for a whole range of weapons are, of course, cartoons that have no relation to reality.

              But in the "bins of the Motherland" we have OGO-GO !!!! - rows of "newest weapons" in fresh lubrication (together with spare leading and chief designers - the latter "grow in the beds" and "are stored in refrigerators" in "waiting for a lot of work").

              The author in the defense industry complex had the last position of the leading designer of the complex, and developed, incl. ОНР-2030 http://federalbook.ru/files/OPK/Soderjanie/OPK-10/III/Borisov.pdf

              About the "knowledge and ignorance" of the military, "picking his finger in the sky" by Monsieur KKND of the "murzilka" level (stupid and illiterate). As in real life, you can read, for example, from the "legend of the Buranov regiment"

              "There are no such fortresses that the graduates of the Academy named after Alexander Fedorovich Mozhaisky would not have taken ... Well, there simply are not such fortresses ..." (Field Marshal Suvorov., PSS vol. 4, p. 19)
              ..
              Either the appropriate command was issued, or the system developers themselves realized that according to the absolutely stupid "Operating Instructions" developed by them, no normal person (engineer) will be able to master the technique in full - it does not matter, but practically on all systems in the morning until the evening, heated debates began to take place ...
              The composition of the discussion clubs is the ideologues of "boxes", system developers, leading engineers and designers on the one hand, and lieutenants on the other ... Gray-haired, with glasses with thick glasses, disheveled, out of this world, "wrapped" industrialists with a pencil and with a piece of paper, "on fingers" explained to young lieutenants first the idea, physics and technology of the process, and then - the device and execution in hardware ...
              ....
              There was not a single lieutenant-engineer who would be satisfied with the quality, reliability, ergonomics, maintainability of the received equipment. It is strange, after all, it was developed quite recently, literally just about, before our graduation from the academy ... The technique was SURPRISING with its spine ...
              But for some reason, civilian specialists always considered themselves academicians in comparison with military blockheads ... Well, show your work, damn it ...


              http://samlib.ru/s/swolochx_a_s/ermolae.shtml
          2. Tsoy
            Tsoy 10 December 2020 19: 34
            +2
            NATO's military operations do not provide a complete picture. According to propaganda before Iraq, it seemed that NATO should be able to handle it in a matter of days. As a result, it took 9 months and then for several years they raked the consequences of suffering losses.



            In the Russian Federation, experts predicted a second Vietnam. In fact, a month later, tanks in Baghdad demolish Hussein's monuments. What then was a miscalculation of politicians, not military men. NATO operations over the past 15 years have made it clear that the war has changed. The number of tanks and manpower is absolutely not a guarantee of safety. They will not win, but they can destroy the state with the fleet and aviation without invasion by large ground forces. Libya and Syria are perfect examples.
          3. Svateev
            Svateev 24 December 2020 17: 17
            0
            Quote: mark2
            None of us, ordinary citizens, know for sure what is happening in the country and in the world in general.

            Do you think the boss knows better how to turn the nut ?!
            Repeatedly convinced that the higher from the "common man" (from a soldier in the army) - the less understanding of the tactics of this soldier. So that there was "feedback" the Americans put the "Chief Sergeant" next to the commanders of the branches of the armed forces. We in the Southern Military District try this in the units "on an initiative basis".
    3. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 10 December 2020 10: 16
      +5
      I have a friend who CAM designs and manufactures "machines" for baking confectionery products, his inspection bodies got so bad that he howls like a wolf. "Effective managers" do not need Russian machines, it is better to buy over the hill for a rollback ...
    4. timokhin-aa
      10 December 2020 10: 40
      +4
      My opinion is all because the money of the common people is running out, so the hats are blown away.
      Propaganda has passed into the regime of the 90s ala Karaulov.


      No, just a war is on the verge. Real.
      https://topwar.ru/176856-morskaja-vojna-porazhenie-revoljucija-i-smert.html
  10. Eldorado
    Eldorado 10 December 2020 08: 07
    -8
    Another paid article! negative
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 10 December 2020 08: 10
      +2
      Who paid for this one?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 December 2020 08: 37
        -7
        Quote: Lex_is
        Who paid for this one?

        Guess from three times - who is our strength down the throat? Who has the Pentagon declared the main threat? Us or lim-po-po?

        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 10 December 2020 09: 14
          0
          I don’t remember talking to you, asking you something or being interested in your crazy fantasies.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 10 December 2020 09: 26
            -1
            Quote: Lex_is
            I don't remember talking to you

            For personal communication with whom the thread is, there is a "personal", that's where you write to those with whom you want to talk face to face, and here you write for everyone - from everyone and get answers, yes, those that you don't like.
            1. Lex_is
              Lex_is 10 December 2020 09: 31
              +2
              Once again, for the gifted:
              I didn't ask you any questions.
              Your opinion and delusional fantasies are not interesting to me.

              Why do you come to me with your nonsense, moronic cartoons and minuses?
              Do you lack attention?
              No one to tell about the intrigues of the Pentagon?
        2. timokhin-aa
          10 December 2020 10: 41
          +2
          What power? This force really exists only in the transmission of "carbon monoxide". This is the problem, from this a number of authors are angry as the author of this article.
  11. Slippery
    Slippery 10 December 2020 11: 22
    +3
    Quote: KKND
    On the topic of the article, in many respects the author is right. Only it is easy to criticize something, try to do something yourself. Do not write articles, but go design machines or production technologies for us so that we do not buy foreign ones. It is very difficult to fix a machine in "pants", but people worked as designers, went to the smoking room, like drug addicts laughed at a stupid joke in order to instinctively relieve tension.

    Did you hold the 334 order in your hands? maybe we were leafing through 275-fz? then that did not read it is visible. Read for the sake of interest, it is only profitable to trade it. About "go design", pay and go. As soon as they start shouting loudly about patriotism and "special cases", then you will work for free. My personal experience says so, you see a rabid patriot with slogans keep your pockets tight.
    1. KKND
      KKND 10 December 2020 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Slippery
      About "go design", pay and go.

      Designer, before someone pays you even a penny, answer your school question what is the difference between an inertial and non-inertial frame of reference. Briefly, specifically and to the point, so that everyone understands that you have figured it out. There, the answer from words 5-6 should consist, it is not necessary to cite Talmuds from textbooks.
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 24 December 2020 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: KKND
        Constructor, before someone pays you even a penny, answer your school question

        It is right. But superficially. It's much more complicated.
        We have passed the examination of the GUNID and received a standard conclusion "on an initiative basis." OCD costs tens of millions. Let's say we will do and achieve the characteristics stated in the TK. Will the Defense Ministry buy? Is not a fact. Far from being a fact.
        We ask you to conclude an ROC contract on the condition that the Ministry of Defense will pay in case of achievement of the characteristics declared in the technical specification... And he will receive CD and other property so that he can transfer it to anyone they want, if they don't trust us. After all, the GUNID has checked, confirmed what is needed for defense capability, more efficiently than the existing one ...
        They don't want to. Although there is no risk for the Ministry of Defense: if our designer was mistaken and the specifications of the TK are not achieved, the Ministry of Defense will not have to pay.
        Can you answer this "school" question?
  12. Rostislav
    Rostislav 10 December 2020 11: 32
    0
    "If the stars are lit, then somebody needs it" ©
    It is clear who needs a mess here - our "partners" would never have seen them.
    But that mess is brought to life by specific people.
    I.V. was right. Stalin - every mistake has a first and last name.
    And when there is no personal responsibility, then we have what we have.
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 10 December 2020 11: 33
    -1
    Yeah. Excellent article but reminded of an old anecdote about a young wife.
    A young wife calls her mother and tells her mother, crying, that her husband is so and so and they quarreled and everything.
    her mother consoles her, they say, well, such a docha, everyone has such a need, like rubbing in, finding common interests and all that.
    To which the daughter replies, ma, I understand all this, what to do with the corpse?
  14. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 10 December 2020 12: 50
    0
    Organization of R&D is not a priority at the moment. stop How can we survive in Syria in the event of an American attack? what
  15. rica1952
    rica1952 10 December 2020 13: 11
    -1
    The article is very large and, most importantly, R&D is blurry. Let's start with the fact that we have practically destroyed fundamental science in the person of the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation. The specific institutes of the RF Ministry of Defense have been destroyed. Military academies from Moscow have been thrown out (destroyed). the result quickly affected the Russian Federation on the sale of weapons on the world market sagged Well, a good example of Syria, Libya, the regional war in Artsakh, where it was shown how modern wars are waged with high-tech weapons.
    1. c2020
      c2020 10 December 2020 13: 27
      +1
      To properly understand the current state of affairs with R&D, you need to be a cynic and not watch TV at all. Let me explain briefly. Foreign agents reliably control that truly important R&D does not appear and is not implemented. Do you want to be ahead of the whole world? Get ready for the fact that you will have big health problems, with a career, in the family. And professionals will work on this - be sure. Academician Fortov died of coronavirus? It so happened ... Academician Mikrin died of coronavirus? It just so happened ... At the end of the Soviet years, this already passed: Landau's car accident, a trivial operation and no Korolev, suffocated in the garage of Keldysh ... Naive people will not understand, but for normal cynics it cannot be clearer. And there is no need to look for switchmen, foreign agents do not deal with switchmen. You can continue for a long time. Were engaged with something new - they died ... Were working with something promising - they planted it ... This is the main thing, and all the rest of the verbiage around R&D is nothing more than tinsel.

      And more about the quote:
      Scientific and technological groundwork is a combination of ...

      Remember the shaggy anecdote about the military definition of a bush: a bush is a collection of branches and leaves growing from one place.

      Let's combine two concepts:
      The scientific and technological groundwork is a collection that grows from one place.

      A new public holiday will soon be introduced - the Day of Foreign Agents.
      1. KKND
        KKND 10 December 2020 14: 01
        0
        Uh ... the flying saucers flew in faster than I thought wassat belay
      2. lucul
        lucul 10 December 2020 18: 44
        -1
        Do you want to be ahead of the whole world? Get ready for the fact that you will have big health problems, with a career, in the family.

        Yes - it's like in football - you play the way your opponent allows you.
    2. tank64rus
      tank64rus 10 December 2020 17: 41
      0
      And you think those who put Field Marshal Taburetkin in the place of the Ministry of Defense. After all, what he did first of all was the destruction of military science. Why, yes, his curators perfectly understood, and that if then military science was restored, its scientific schools would take decades. Military science is the basis, everything else comes from it.
      1. Tavrik
        Tavrik 11 December 2020 22: 39
        +1
        Well, to be honest, military science died before him. He only summed up and "fixed the losses", having dispersed what left one form without content. It is a pity that not all of them. Military science must now be sought at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. For it was there that the big-headed officers, enthusiasts of their work from the military research institutes, who were bored with the poverty of the nineties, who were with the shagistic and formalism of the tenths, went.
  16. Slippery
    Slippery 10 December 2020 14: 55
    0
    Quote: KKND
    Designer, before someone pays you even a penny, answer your school question what is the difference between an inertial and non-inertial frame of reference. Briefly, specifically and to the point, so that everyone understands that you have figured it out. There, the answer from words 5-6 should consist, it is not necessary to cite Talmuds from textbooks.

    Answer yourself honestly, you can remember Ohm's law without a cheat sheet))) tell me here what exactly you designed? or is it all "secret"? ... Well, re-read my post, there is a simple idea, if they sniff me patriotic slogans it means they will "expropriate". About go design, pack your suitcase and get out. Let me remind you. When our civilian pilots rushed to China for the yuan, I did not see the "patriots" but let them knock down, let them pack their bags. Together with Rosaviatsia, they began to "mutter" about the debt to the Motherland. Boring with you ...
    1. c2020
      c2020 10 December 2020 16: 24
      +1
      ... it is easy to criticize, try to do something yourself. Do not write articles, but go design machines or production technologies for us so that we do not buy foreign ones.

      Well, he made me laugh. The normal cynic thinks differently. Look for eccentrics to create in the current conditions. For 70 years, three hundred million fools worked in the USSR, so that later, with the collapse of the country, they would donate everything they earned to America. That's really robbed so robbed! There seems to be nothing left to steal on a large scale. The children of thieves will soon grow up and they will also need to steal on a large scale. So they call on the next one and a half million fools to work for another 30-50 years. For this, they will not disdain to revive the likeness of the USSR, and it seems that this is the only way out for thieves. And then a new Perestroika will burst out, the children of thieves will say "thank you" to the fools, they will again take away everything they have earned in the USA and so on in a circle. He wanted machines and technologies ... You can do it, agitator! Go build it yourself! And we will wait until the real thieves are put behind bars for life and the stolen goods will be returned with interest for 30 years. Guarantees from thieves are needed, but nobody seems to be going to give them. So who is interested in the work of Sisyphus? It is much easier to sell pies or underwear, as the intelligentsia did in 1917. Today it is even more profitable ...
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 December 2020 18: 46
        -1
        For 70 years, three hundred million fools worked in the USSR, so that later, with the collapse of the country, they would donate everything they earned to America.

        Well, why should people tear templates like that)))
  17. Slippery
    Slippery 10 December 2020 16: 48
    +1
    Quote: c2020
    Well, he made me laugh. The normal cynic thinks differently. Look for eccentrics to create in the current conditions.

    In the modern world it is impossible to design, construct, etc. in one helmet. The time of brilliant loners is over. And our "effective" people still want one man to feed 5 generals. So they run around with the slogans "start with yourself - you still have to feed us."
  18. tank64rus
    tank64rus 10 December 2020 17: 33
    -1
    I agree that it is cruel, oh, if only part of this could be conveyed on a direct line with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. I was at Army 2015 and Army 2018, to be honest, I saw how many talented people and developments we have. And if it comes to the Army, then a small part. Now I read and understood why. Thanks to the author.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 10 December 2020 19: 37
      +1
      I agree that it is cruel, if only part of this could be brought to a direct line with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief



      Apparently the boyars again ...
  19. Svateev
    Svateev 24 December 2020 17: 01
    0
    You can't get a license without a contract. ...
    The real situation ... However, obtaining this license immediately becomes the basis for a criminal case: "illegal business".

    The author, can you indicate what rule of law prohibits obtaining a license for the development and / or supply of weapons and military equipment before the conclusion of an agreement for such development and / or supply?
  20. con_nick
    con_nick 24 January 2021 15: 03
    0
    Yes, Sergei Kuzhugetich is in his repertoire))) It would be better if Serdyukov was left)))