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I am ashamed of the descendants. The subtleties of "Goebbels' propaganda" in Ukrainian

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Serhiy Kislitsa is the main herald of the Ukrainian new historical view. Source: news.24tv.ua


New history of Ukraine or how the Russians burned down the Square


Methodical and cynical rewriting stories inside Ukraine has long been a surprise. The support and glorification of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which is legally prohibited in Russia, and Stepan Bandera (the glorification of Nazism) cannot be called an internal affair of Kiev. But when statements equalizing the Soviet Union and Hitlerite Germany are heard from the rostrum of the UN, the situation reaches a new level of madness.

The scandalous speech of the diplomat Serhiy Kislitsa, the permanent representative of Ukraine to the UN, included the following tirade (quote):

“September 1, 1939 was not at all the initial stage of Hitler's plan, developed, among other things, in collusion with Stalin ... During the occupation, the Soviet authorities killed thousands of Ukrainians. Then, during the retreat in 1941, the destruction and burning of important infrastructure in the cities in the face of the Nazi offensive led to the death of even more people ... ...

These cynical words from the lips of the Ukrainian diplomat sounded on the eve of December 1, when a special solemn meeting of the General Assembly took place in memory of all the victims of the war.


UN building. Source: un.org

One of the most important consequences of such pseudo-disclosures from Ukrainian diplomacy was the tacit acceptance by Western countries.

No one, except Russia, was openly indignant at such an outright lie and one-sided interpretation of the events of 80 years ago. All this testifies to the coordinated actions of the European countries, the United States and Ukraine on this issue.

Humiliation of ancestors


The words of Kiev diplomats are perceived as if the ancestors of today's Ukrainians did not fight in the Great Patriotic War, did not die on the battlefield and under barbaric bombings, in the Gestapo dungeons and concentration camps. As if Ukraine of the 40s was an outside observer (or rather even a victim) of the bloody conflict between the communists and the Nazis. It seems that modern Ukraine is seriously faced with the question: from whom the country suffered more - from Nazi Germany or from the Soviet Union?


Reproaches of the destruction of important infrastructure by the retreating Red Army in 1941 have no reasonable basis. Any army forced to leave its own territory under the attacks of the enemy will do everything possible to slow down the enemy's advance and complicate the exploitation of the lands occupied by him. The laws of war are harsh, but these are the laws of war, and without this, Berlin in May 45 would hardly have fallen.

Kislitsa also remembered about the liberation of Ukraine in 1944. Here, according to the diplomat, the situation was the opposite - the Germans, retreating, left the scorched earth, and the Soviet soldiers behaved in the offensive just like barbarians. All this led to tens of thousands of unnecessary victims, for which Ukraine now blames the Red Army. It's a shame that Kislitsa did not reveal the main secret of how it was necessary to organize an offensive against one of the strongest ground armies in the world in order to avoid so many unnecessary casualties?

On the question of the killed Ukrainians. If we are talking about the 14th SS Volunteer Infantry Division "Galicia", then more than 22 thousand Ukrainians in its ranks in what status should be considered? Probably, it is worth listening to the conclusions of the Nuremberg Trials, which unequivocally ranked all SS units as criminal.

Kislitsa is certainly aware that the tribunal in Nuremberg was ruled by the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition. And such decisions were made collectively. Archival data state that up to 80 thousand Ukrainians were ready to voluntarily join the ranks of the SS punitive detachments.

The short memory of Kislitsa and the country's leadership is a real slap in the face of Ukrainians who honorably defended their homeland from fascism. Unfortunately, there are more and more such "sour" in Ukraine.

National memory policy


Any propaganda doctrine must be based on myths. And myths, in turn, are born within the state machine. This simple Goebbels formula has found its place in Ukrainian historical science. Whole "falsification factories" have appeared, whose activities are aimed at rewriting the history of the Great Patriotic War and forming the "correct" consciousness of a citizen.

Such stories cannot do without foreign sponsorship. So, in 2019, a collection with the characteristic title “Revision of History.” Was released for grants from EU funds within the framework of the Eastern Partnership program and the J. Soros Foundation “Renaissance”. Russian historical propaganda and Ukraine ”.

In the best traditions of the Kiev authorities, the authors deny Ukrainian collaborationism, the terror of the "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (banned in the Russian Federation) and the Nazi origin of the slogan "Glory to Ukraine". Author Gritsak was less categorical about the "Ukrainian police" and even partially admitted its existence, but "it was not ethnically fully Ukrainian, there were different groups and strata, along with the soldiers of the former Red Army."

The staff of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine also echoes the Western donors. Last year, in one of the review articles dedicated to the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II, historians Vidnyansky, Gritsyuk and Lysenko talked about the joint war between Germany and the USSR against Poland. Although this should not be surprising - a similar point of view is shared by the German media, in particular, Deutsche Welle.

For some reason, historians kept silent about the fact that part of the territory of modern Ukraine can be considered by the Poles "illegally occupied" and, accordingly, subject to return. Do not forget that any free interpretation of historical events leads to consequences that are sometimes difficult to cope with.

Another blank spot in the historical memory of modern Ukraine was the genocide of the Poles, which went down in history as the "Volyn massacre".

In 2019, the mentioned Institute of History published an interesting article by the Lviv scientist Kozitsky, in the text of which the genocide was allegedly not confirmed. Based on complex conclusions, the author refuses to interpret the punitive actions of the OUN and UPA (prohibited in the Russian Federation) against the Polish population of Volyn as a form of genocide. For the genocide then, allegedly, little was enough: the whole point is the lack of appropriate "social mechanisms" among the Ukrainian nationalists and the lack of a clearly formulated "anti-Polish ideology". Quote:

"The Ukrainian side did not carry out any measures that could be qualified as preparation for genocide ... There are no grounds to assess the anti-Polish actions of the Ukrainian partisan movement in Volyn in 1943 as a pre-planned and organized genocide."

It turns out that now for an act of genocide it is necessary to have some "social mechanisms" and to form the notorious "ideology". If this is not the case, then everything can be interpreted exclusively as an innocent mass murder.

Such monstrous historical conclusions, it seems, were also Ukraine's flirting with Turkish partners. Ankara must have adopted such conclusions to justify the centuries-old Armenian genocide.

Victims of communism


Decommunization and banderization of Ukrainian society has been going on for many years. For a long time now, the glorification of collaboration has been the task of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance, which appeared in 2006 at the initiative of President Yushchenko. Under the auspices of this institute, Bandera exhibitions and expositions are regularly held throughout Ukraine.

In 2019, with the participation of an active revisionist, director of this institute Vyatrovich, another propaganda exhibition "Ukrainian Insurgent Army: Response of an Unconquered People" was organized, within which stands with photographs of Bandera, Shukhevych and other leaders of the insurgent army, as well as Ukrainian SS men from the division were exhibited. Galicia ". Based on the materials of the exhibition, a special booklet was published with a foreword by Vyatrovich, where you can read:

“Presenting UPA soldiers as traitors to their people and criminals is now difficult for those who do not see Ukraine as free and strong in the future. After all, the history of the Ukrainian rebels shows how decisive the response of Ukrainians to an encroachment on their freedom can be. "

In December 2018, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed a law on benefits for former members of the military wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists - Ukrainian Insurgent Army, banned in Russia.

The popular line of behavior continued under the current leader of the country. Elected in April 2019, Zelensky, immediately after the election, supported decommunization (stating that it was "the choice of society"), and also personally approved the glorification of Bandera:

“Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain percentage of Ukrainians, and this is normal and cool. This is one of those people who defended the freedom of Ukraine ”.

Pit for a new war


Ukraine is desperately looking for heroes to distance itself from Russian history. And this results in new rounds of national hysteria. The latest example was the shameful statements of Kiev diplomacy in front of the entire world community.

The worst thing is that what was said from the rostrum of the UN did not provoke a reaction from those present revealing a blatant lie.

So it is worth remembering the folk sign:

"As soon as the lessons of the past war are forgotten, it becomes the foundation for a new one."
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    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 6 December 2020 04: 27
      +49
      Are you sick?) Does the coronavirus give such complications to the brain?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 6 December 2020 06: 15
        +22
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Are you sick?) Does the coronavirus give such complications to the brain?

        Not only. More diarrhea and scrofula. request
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 6 December 2020 18: 48
          +9
          Yes, what the Ukronazis are carrying - Svidomites with Bandera - and the current Ukrainian pro-Western pro-American government based on them normal people seem to be the delirium of sick people. Only they are not insane, but the most impudent liars, acting according to the American-Western patterns used by the West since antiquity. And Kislitsa, and they all well understand what heresy they are carrying! But - they are! It - super insolence, for many, connected with chutzpah.

          The usual American method of action with the rest of the uncontrollable world: first, someone throws in a false accusation of someone (most often - Russia), then obedient mongrels begin to discuss and accuse the object, accepting the false accusation as true and not subject to doubt, then sanctions and punishments are introduced by decisions of american internal organs that the whole world is obliged to execute under the threat of punishment of disobedient ones. The most disgusting thing is that many countries put up with this and this American system of lies and intimidation is still in effect!
          1. muhanov
            muhanov 14 December 2020 15: 51
            +1
            There is a symbol of Down syndrome, such a loop of a two-color ribbon is the state flag. Maybe this is no coincidence? and in vain we break spears.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 14 December 2020 15: 56
              0
              Quote: muhanov
              There is a symbol of Down syndrome, such a loop of a two-color ribbon is the state flag. Maybe this is no coincidence? and in vain we break spears.

              You are wrong: the upper ones are not downs! Most of the lower ones are.
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 6 December 2020 06: 19
        +31
        Are you sick?) Does the coronavirus give such complications to the brain?
        This is a fan of Satan and Bandera on our forum came ... he hates everything Soviet and us at the same time. hi
        Bandera ghouls will never get drunk on human blood and will kill everywhere and everywhere.
        These are the victims of the Bandera scoundrels in Volyn.

        Maria Grabovskaya with her 3-year-old daughter (killed by Bandera on November 10, 1943 in the village of Blozhev Gorna, Lviv region).

        the Scheyer family, mother and two children; carved in his home in Vladinopol in 1943. Three of the more than 80 victims of the Volyn massacre.
        Anyone who wants to know in detail about the crimes of Bandera can see it all here
        http://saint-juste.narod.ru/UPA.html

        ... there is no forgiveness for these bloodsuckers forever and ever.
        And I hope the well-deserved punishment will overtake modern Bandera who are now killing innocent people in Ukraine. am
        Many people who disagree with the Nazi regime of Ukraine are now sitting in the dungeons of the SBU ... I am very unhappy with the Kremlin and its soft policy towards these murderers ... therefore I am not a supporter of Putin now.
      3. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 December 2020 09: 16
        +3
        There is one bone, nothing else.
      4. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 6 December 2020 14: 39
        +6
        The medicine has been around for a long time. Lotions from plumbum compounds. Weight nine (9) grams. It is desirable to take in a forehead line. For there are probably a lot of people willing to join this troll.
      5. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 6 December 2020 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Does the coronavirus give such complications to the brain?

        Malignant infectious svidomism of the brain. At one time, beef with mad cow disease was actively imported from Europe. Now the complications are gone.
    2. Sofa batyr
      Sofa batyr 6 December 2020 04: 48
      +22
      Quote: sergevl
      Satanic ghouls Zhukov Stalin and other necrosadists Satan himself set a goal to destroy as much of the population of the USSR as possible

      Quote: carstorm 11
      Are you sick?) Does the coronavirus give such complications to the brain?

      Bitten by Vyatrovich ...
      1. Machito
        Machito 6 December 2020 04: 58
        +31
        Eck, he got sick. Looks like a descendant of Banderlog crawled out of the cache.
        Most of all I am amused that all the heroes of the ukrofashists are losers. They have no victories. Some defeats. What is he proud of? Khatyn? Babi Yar? Ilovaisk? Debaltseve?
        LOSERS yes
        1. Sofa batyr
          Sofa batyr 6 December 2020 05: 06
          +15
          Quote: Bearded
          Looks like a descendant of Banderlog crawled out of the cache.


          Just WRONG.

          His comment on the article "The fire area in the exclusion zone near Chernobyl has increased significantly":
          That is because trees are burning the grass and all in a row Ukraine is saving itself from the plague. Moreover, in the very heart of Chernobyl, sacred for the Russian civilization. I advise all readers not to become lowered into the grave from the fear of the coronavirus, but to take matches, kerosene, Molotov cocktails, and burn the plague and coronavirus scum around their homes. This is especially true for the inhabitants of Transbaikalia, and more western Siberia.
          1. Machito
            Machito 6 December 2020 06: 00
            +11
            Kiev and Lviv let them burn fool am
          2. major147
            major147 6 December 2020 11: 55
            +6
            Quote: Divan-batyr
            Just WRONG.

            Quote: Divan-batyr
            take matches, kerosene, Molotov cocktails, and burn the plague and coronavirus scum around their homes. This is especially true for the inhabitants of Transbaikalia, and more western Siberia.

            Well no! This is a deliberate step of the enemy and has far-reaching consequences designed for mentally inadequate people.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 46
          +6
          Quote: Bearded
          What makes me laugh the most

          It's not funny! The tasks of the Banderlog are not funny, how to think about it
          1. Machito
            Machito 6 December 2020 14: 17
            +4
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Bearded
            What makes me laugh the most

            It's not funny! The tasks of the Banderlog are not funny, how to think about it

            It's funny that all Ukrainian heroes are losers, all losers. They don't have Suvorovs, Kutuzovs, Zhukovs. And Bogdan Khmelnitsky is not a hero for them. Well, yes, they are proud of Yaroslav the Wise, the Veliko Novgorod prince. Well, duck his ancestor Oleg sailed from under St. Petersburg, prescribed cervical ointment to the people of Kiev and made them hunch back on themselves. The eldest son of the Grand Duke of Kievan Rus has always been the prince of Veliky Novgorod. So it turns out that after the death of the Kiev prince, the Novgorod (Russian) prince seized power over Kiev. The funny thing is that the Novgorod (and after the death of their father, Kiev) princes had the right to have their lands in the Kiev region, but did not have the right to have their lands in the Novgorod region. In fact, the prince was the president of Novgorod. So it turns out that the Novgorod, Moscow, St. Petersburg always had Kiev. Only for the last thirty years Ukraine has been independent thanks to Russia, but it does not know what to do with its independence, and is looking for an owner in the West. You can't forbid being a slave. We have guys, and they have lads (little slaves) laughing
        3. frruc
          frruc 6 December 2020 11: 51
          +7
          Sergei Kislitsa, and others like him, are victims not of Russian (Soviet) accupation, but of a banal abortion. Here, therapy is not enough, surgical measures are needed.
        4. uralant
          uralant 12 December 2020 14: 37
          +1
          Quote: Bearded
          Most of all I am amused that all the heroes of the ukrofashists are losers. They have no victories. Some defeats. What is he proud of? Khatyn? Babi Yar? Ilovaisk? Debaltseve?
          LOSERS

          As you name the ship, so it damn well will float! Here are the bastards and wallow in blood up to their ears. While floundering.
    3. sleeve
      sleeve 6 December 2020 05: 33
      +13
      I wanted to leave here a few words about "high", to speculate. And suddenly bam, this commentary about "Stalin's ghouls". Well, what can you say? Well the truth is nothing to say. It is possible to state some diagnostic features no more ... It is impossible even to reduce it to a general diagnosis. This is not a disorder, but only emotional fulfillment. The general wind will change and the weather vane will solemnly begin to praise "Stalin's falcons and heroes who broke the back of Nazism." There is an order, we beat a tambourine, there is no order, we are silent. Therefore, it does not really look like it. I wanted to speculate about the Ukrainian aggression against Russia and the Russians ...
    4. tatra
      tatra 6 December 2020 06: 59
      +5
      That's right, all of you, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR you captured are the same. You have nothing and no one useful for your country and people, and your ideology and history of your country is the inculcation of anger and hatred, lies, slander, hypocrisy, you justify your crimes during the Soviet period and after you captured the republics of the USSR, praise of collaborators, separatists, traitors. And out of the republics of the USSR you captured, you created States in which not honest people and real patriots live, but criminals and enemies of your country and people.
    5. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 6 December 2020 07: 55
      +11
      Do not vaccinate this ghoul. Nature has to make a selection.
      1. uralant
        uralant 12 December 2020 14: 41
        0
        Quote: 7,62x54
        Do not vaccinate this ghoul. Nature has to make a selection.

        When we return home, nature will make natural selection!
    6. tech3030
      tech3030 6 December 2020 09: 11
      -1
      The ghoul here is you!
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 December 2020 11: 52
        +4
        "You are the ghoul here!"
        all the same, the coronavirus of the brain is contagious, even in the absence of a brain. in this case, it passes into the ukrainovirus of the stomach, or what do they think there?
        1. tech3030
          tech3030 7 December 2020 20: 08
          0
          I wrote about the ghoul in an article, but I didn’t write clearly, I had to express myself more clearly.
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: sergevl
      Apparently, for today this plan of Satan

      Brain cancer!
    8. Rosko
      Rosko 6 December 2020 11: 27
      +3
      Begone ..... mazepovite
    9. iouris
      iouris 6 December 2020 12: 34
      +3
      Quote: sergevl
      Satanic ghouls

      Scoundrel or psycho?
    10. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 6 December 2020 12: 49
      +4
      how are you the first to climb into the branch. Why are satanic ghouls given the internet? They should be in a bed and with a shirt ...
    11. Alt 22
      Alt 22 6 December 2020 13: 18
      +4
      Disrespectful fascist (this is not an insult, but a characteristic of your political orientation), under the USSR, let me remind you, the number of Russians alone almost tripled. Before writing nonsense like yours, just look at the statistics of population censuses in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, and do not carry any more nonsense!
    12. Grandpa Vasya
      Grandpa Vasya 6 December 2020 14: 31
      +2
      It will be very good if a population like you, with such thoughts that your sick brain expresses, disappears forever.
    13. Skif
      Skif 6 December 2020 15: 05
      +3
      Military review our site or ukrovsky? Why're coming out-ghouls hustle here in packs?
    14. wow
      wow 6 December 2020 16: 44
      +1
      A 5 liter enema and wrapping it in a cold wet sheet helps a lot ... before hanging.
  2. high
    high 6 December 2020 04: 44
    -31%
    Kiev cannot forgive being taken prisoner 650 thousandth southwestern front, defending Kiev - in the death of the front, Marshal Zhukov accused Stalin.
    The Germans did not know what to do with so many captured people, so the Ukrainians were released to their homes, the Jewish soldiers were shot, the Jewish officers were hanged, the rest were sent to camps, most of which apparently died ...
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 6 December 2020 05: 05
      +19
      Judging by the comments -sergevl, alta (Anatoly) - today is an open day at the mental hospital.
      1. Sofa batyr
        Sofa batyr 6 December 2020 05: 18
        +10
        Quote: Fitter65
        Judging by the comments -sergevl, alta (Anatoly) - today is an open day at the mental hospital.

        Output...
      2. tatra
        tatra 6 December 2020 07: 03
        +10
        Since Gorbachev gave freedom of speech to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, they stubbornly prove that the communists were right to put them in psychiatric hospitals, that's where they belong.
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 6 December 2020 07: 34
        +3
        Rather, the Maidan nychka of psychotropics was found.
    2. sleeve
      sleeve 6 December 2020 06: 34
      +4
      Who was allowed to go home? A soldier of a warring army?
      1. major147
        major147 6 December 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: sleeve
        Who was allowed to go home? A soldier of a warring army?

        They released those who wanted to cooperate with the Nazis, who later became policemen and joined the Sonder teams.
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 6 December 2020 14: 29
          +2
          Oh, we're talking about them ...
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 December 2020 08: 20
      -1
      I understand that you are not trained to read and write, but then only part of the forces fell into the environment, perhaps 350 thousand. Some of this number died, some hid in the local villages with women, some left to partisan, or to break through to their own. And so, the Deutsche-Zoldat, of course, perfectly distinguished the Great Russian from the Little Russian and knew exactly which of the prisoners of the Deutsche was just happy. And why did the Deutsches need all sorts of Gestaps and other special services.
    4. tank64rus
      tank64rus 7 December 2020 17: 42
      0
      A very free interpretation of history before writing this, read the Order on Commissars and the directives of the Wehrmacht High Command on the treatment of the Russian population and prisoners of war. Keitel was hanged on them only for his signature in Nuremberg. Well, Goering, who instructed his subordinates: ... kill everyone, I am responsible for everything. "I was poisoned in the same place to avoid a loop. Why Kiev cannot forgive Stalin for this from that operetta that the Ukrainian fronts were manned by Ukrainians. Complete ignorance of the history of the Second World War. , or its deliberate distortion.
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 December 2020 05: 13
    +17
    Ukraine should be strangled economically, collapsed by internal contradictions and divided into parts, with the accession of the greater part (East, South) to the territory of Russia.
    1. aglet
      aglet 6 December 2020 11: 55
      +6
      ", with the accession of the greater part (East, South) to the territory of Russia."
      not with joining, but with returning!
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        1. Kronos
          Kronos 6 December 2020 12: 55
          +4
          Those who dream of people in camps are open fascists.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 6 December 2020 15: 31
      +31
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Ukraine should be strangled economically, collapsed by internal contradictions and divided into parts, with the accession of the greater part (East, South) to the territory of Russia.

      ideally, but for now ... nothing works. Loot wins the idea
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  5. Mihail55
    Mihail55 6 December 2020 05: 59
    +7
    It is very surprising that the first commentator received one PLUS !!!
    Any nonsense against our country will be supported by our "partners". We must become strong not only in words, but also in deeds! And this is a real war, we must win in it. And we, ordinary mortals and all, without exception, hand guides should take part in it. How long will we be controlled by those looking around at Western sponsors ???? Having become strong, we were able to respond very harshly to all detractors and their conquerors!
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 December 2020 07: 07
      +4
      And who will do all this in ANTI-Soviet Russia? For the enemies of the communists who seized Russia, the same thing — for all 30 years the justification for their seizure of Russia by them — is a slander against the Bolshevik communists with an automatic justification of the crimes of their external and internal enemies.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 6 December 2020 14: 34
        +2
        Can the "Bolshevik-Communists" keep quiet under the heather of the last leaven. There is no need to cling to once again when the people are fighting for their land. The last real Bolsheviks fell into the ground in 41-45, the rest of the screamers like the current ones were trampled after the war. It's good to soil the honest name of the real communists. Get out of politics so far there is nothing to say except accusations! First, repent before the people who were led for 70 years.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 7 December 2020 08: 31
        -1
        Aren't these "enemies of the communists" sitting at the end of the Union in the CPSU?

        It reminds me of how Goblin and Klim Zhukov discussed who destroyed the USSR, I liked the logic, who are good, then communists, and who destroyed, those are non-communists.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 December 2020 06: 11
    +12
    Yes, the delirium of the first commentator fully fits into the Ukrainian "history" that they themselves invent for their own delight and coincides with the delirium of Ukrainian "diplomats" from the Maidan. What can you do - no education, no logic, no meaning, only one Ragul hatred of the Russian (Soviet) and the Gorlopan "revolutionary" outburst of the maydanuts. And the further, the more.
    this testifies to the coordination of actions of the European countries, the United States and Ukraine on this issue
    And not otherwise. Russophobia of the whole world unite!
  7. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 06: 14
    -9
    Hmm, comical enough. It is not clear only whether the author is trolling, or is really guided in reality by the programs of Russian television.

    The worst thing is that what was said from the rostrum of the UN did not provoke a reaction from those present revealing a blatant lie.


    One of the most important consequences of such pseudo-disclosures from Ukrainian diplomacy was the tacit acceptance by Western countries.

    No one, except Russia, was openly indignant at such an outright lie and one-sided interpretation of the events of 80 years ago. All this testifies to the coordinated actions of the European countries, the United States and Ukraine on this issue.

    Mr. Kislitsa has no more than voiced the generally accepted position of the West on WWII. This is a long-lost battle for Russian propaganda, and any outrage about this in decent places does not cause anything in those present except the desire to remove the brawlers from the hall. Sooner rather than later, they will begin to do this.

    P9_TA (2019) 0021
    Importance of European remembrance for the future of Europe
    European Parliament resolution of 19 September 2019 on the importance of European remembrance for the future of Europe (2019/2819 (RSP))
    ...
    B. whereas 80 years ago on 23 August 1939, the communist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a Treaty of Non-Aggression, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and its secret protocols, dividing Europe and the territories of independent states between the two totalitarian regimes and grouping them into spheres of interest, which paved the way for the outbreak of the Second World War;
    C. whereas, as a direct consequence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, followed by the Nazi-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty of 28 September 1939, the Polish Republic was invaded first by Hitler and two weeks later by Stalin - which stripped the country of its independence and was an unprecedented tragedy for the Polish people - the communist Soviet Union started an aggressive war against Finland on 30 November 1939, and in June 1940 it occupied and annexed parts of Romania - territories that were never returned - and annexed the independent republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia;
    D. whereas after the defeat of the Nazi regime and the end of the Second World War, some European countries were able to rebuild and embark on a process of reconciliation, while other European countries remained under dictatorships - some under direct Soviet occupation or influence - for half a century and continued to be deprived of freedom, sovereignty, dignity, human rights and socio-economic development;
    E. whereas the crimes of the Nazi regime were evaluated and punished by means of the Nuremberg trials, there is still an urgent need to raise awareness, carry out moral assessments and conduct legal inquiries into the crimes of Stalinism and other dictatorships;


    Resolution of the European Parliament of 19.09.919 2019/2819 (RSP).
    b) Act M-R opened the way to WWII.
    c) In accordance with the pact, the USSR committed a number of aggression.
    e) After the end of WWII, a number of states suffered from the actions of the USSR for 50 years.
    f) It is necessary to condemn the crimes of Stalinism similar to the crimes of Nazism.

    This resolution was a great victory for Poland, of course. In the European Parliament, not so many people are able to imagine that criticism of the Stalinist USSR could offend someone in 2019, but the Poles understood this perfectly and trampled on to the fullest.

    But, one way or another, this is precisely the official position of the European Union on this issue. It should not be forgotten that if earlier the position of Europe on WWII was determined by Britain and France, and Germany was humbly silent, now this position is determined by Poland (since Poland and the Balts are the only ones who are interested in discussing the events of 80 years ago), which does not bode well for today's Russia ... At the same time, Poland is not really fighting with Germany (although this does not always stop it), but with Russia it is possible and necessary.

    As for the United States, they are generally not particularly interested in discussing old cases, especially those in which they themselves do not look their best. However, when they are bred on this topic, you can hear equally interesting things.

    May 2, 2017

    President Discusses Freedom and Democracy in Latvia

    As we mark a victory of six days ago - six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox. For much of Germany, defeat led to freedom. For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire. VE Day marked the end of fascism, but it did not end oppression. The agreement at Yalta followed in the unjust tradition of Munich and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable. Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable. The captivity of millions in Central and Eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history.

    The end of World War II raised unavoidable questions for my country: Had we fought and sacrificed only to achieve the permanent division of Europe into armed camps? Or did the cause of freedom and the rights of nations require more of us? Eventually, America and our strong allies made a decision: We would not be content with the liberation of half of Europe - and we would not forget our friends behind an Iron Curtain. We defended the freedom of Greece and Turkey, and airlifted supplies to Berlin, and broadcast the message of liberty by radio. We spoke up for dissenters, and challenged an empire to tear down a hated wall. Eventually, communism began to collapse under external pressure, and under the weight of its own contradictions. And we set the vision of a Europe whole, free, and at peace - so dictators could no longer rise up and feed ancient grievances, and conflict would not be repeated again and again.

    In these decades of struggle and purpose, the Baltic peoples kept a long vigil of suffering and hope. Though you lived in isolation, you were not alone. The United States refused to recognize your occupation by an empire. The flags of free Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania - illegal at home - flew proudly over diplomatic missions in the United States. And when you joined hands in protest and the empire fell away, the legacy of Yalta was finally buried, once and for all. The security and freedom of the Baltic nations is now more than a noble aspiration; it is the binding pledge of the alliance we share. The defense of your freedom - in defense of your freedom you will never stand alone.


    President Bush's speech, May 7, 2005.
    Munich, Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, Yalta - a series of crimes of great powers against small nations. The liberation of Europe was completed not in 45, but in 91, when the legacy of Yalta was destroyed, once and for all.

    Outside the Russian Federation, the subject of WWII and the role of the USSR in it is completely unprofitable for the Russian Federation. For better or for worse, the Russian side does not want and cannot understand this. Well, so much the better.
    1. Volder
      Volder 6 December 2020 08: 06
      +6
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      President Bush's speech, May 7, 2005.
      Munich, Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, Yalta - a series of crimes of the great powers against small nations.
      American presidents are always cynically silent about the US military interventions in Vietnam, Bosnia, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria, as well as about the oppression of Indians and blacks in the US itself.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 15: 40
        -5
        Voice from the TV.
        Quote: Volder
        oppression of Indians and blacks

        All good people have been talking about the oppression of blacks since 2008.
        Native Americans alone receive tax breaks for $ 27 billion a year (for 5 million shameless snouts, including the elderly and children), but they are always ready to remind about their oppression. Google Mauna Kea.
        Quote: Volder
        Vietnam, Bosnia, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria

        Of the listed countries, the Americans climbed into three, and long ago admitted that this was a mistake. Especially sincerely they remembered BiH, a candidate for NATO membership.
        1. Volder
          Volder 7 December 2020 11: 09
          +1
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Native Americans get $ 27 billion a year in tax breaks alone
          This does not negate the fact of oppression of blacks, incl. slavery in American history.
          Of the listed countries, the Americans climbed into three, and long ago admitted that this was a mistake.
          It is very convenient: first to show aggression, to get into where they are not asked to, bomb the cities and civilians, and then declare it "just" a mistake. Then make a "mistake" in relation to the next victim country. And so - for decades.
          Especially sincerely they remembered BiH, a candidate for NATO membership.
          BiH became loyal to NATO and Western democracy AFTER military intervention and change of "regime" (power).
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 7 December 2020 12: 00
            0
            Quote: Volder
            This does not negate the fact of oppression of blacks, incl. slavery in American history.

            What's the problem? Do you want to convey that ugly things happened in the XNUMXth century? Better look for cases where free people fought and died to free slaves.
            Quote: Volder
            Very comfortably:

            You are right, this is one of the advantages of the turnover of power. If something went wrong, you can always blame your predecessor.
            Quote: Volder
            victim countries

            Quote: Volder
            BiH became loyal to NATO and Western democracy AFTER military intervention and change of "regime" (power).

            For example, the former Yugoslavia now consists of NATO members, members or candidates for EU membership almost entirely, except for just BiH and Serbia. So it turns out that Clinton was right, and Milosevic deserves it.

            As for the rest of the "mistakes," the SRV is now friends, you won't believe it, against the Americans, you won't believe it, China. With Iraq, the situation is also quite peculiar, in some ways worse than the times of Saddam, in some ways better, so whoever was lucky. Afghanistan is perhaps a sick child, but this has been the case for a hundred years. Therefore, the mistakes of the United States are internal mistakes, was it worth making these sacrifices for the sake of illusory goals. The favored countries may not have become better to live, but, to be honest, there was not much room either.
            1. Volder
              Volder 7 December 2020 14: 58
              +1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              What's the problem?
              The problem is America itself. Therefore, focusing on her opinion is like not respecting yourself. There are cynical and hypocritical people with "double standards" who do not see the beam in their own eyes.
              You are right, this is one of the advantages of the turnover of power. If something went wrong, you can always blame your predecessor.
              This is one of the disadvantages of the turnover of power.

              The favored countries may not have become better to live, but, to be honest, there was not much to do either.
              The violently democratized countries, of course, began to feel worse than before the invasion of the light-faced exceptional.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 7 December 2020 15: 13
                +1
                Quote: Volder
                The problem is America itself.

                I do not see the problem.
                Quote: Volder
                Therefore, focus on her opinion

                No idea what you imagine as "America's opinion". This is a big country. There are many people and many opinions. Some are close to me, some are not.
                Quote: Volder
                This is one of the disadvantages of the turnover of power.

                As anyone.
                Quote: Volder
                began to feel worse than before the invasion of the light-faced exceptional.

                As lucky as anyone. The Yugoslavs, for example, have stopped killing each other, and in some places they have healed quite well. It seems that Slovenia is the most prosperous post-Soviet country, even more satisfying than the Czech Republic. The Iraqis continued their beloved work, but in slightly different teams. So everything has its own specifics.
                1. Volder
                  Volder 7 December 2020 20: 36
                  +1
                  "America's Opinion" is the official position of the State Department, the White House, the Pentagon, the Senate, and the diplomatic mission to the UN, voiced by government officials.
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  As anyone.
                  If the numerous "mistakes" in the militant and violent implementation of democracy are an undoubted plus and a blessing for you, then you are an obvious patriot of America.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 7 December 2020 21: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: Volder
                    You are a clear American patriot.

                    The word "patriotism" is not very appropriate, I am not a US citizen, but in general I like it better than not.
                    Quote: Volder
                    "mistakes" in the militant and violent implementation of democracy are for you an undoubted plus and blessing

                    On the contrary. American patriotism means amerikafest. Imperial troubles are not patriotic. In terms of democracy, you can kill people you don't like, but you can't force them to live up to their conscience if they've never done it and don't want to try. So you should set realistic goals and objectives for your army.
                    Quote: Volder
                    "America's Opinion" is the official position of the State Department, the White House, the Pentagon, the Senate, and the diplomatic mission to the UN, voiced by government officials.

                    Chatter. In 2005, Bush said a lot of good things about defending freedom, and 3 years later, when it came time to answer for words, he simply turned away. You should not trust politicians, and it is an American tradition to betray your allies.
                    1. Volder
                      Volder 8 December 2020 06: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      In terms of democracy, you can kill people you don't like, but you can't force them to live up to their conscience if they have never done it and do not want to try.
                      And who determines this conscience? Obviously, the United States is taking on too much of it, playing the role of the world's gendarme, although no one asks them to do so. They and Russia tried to impose their democracy in the 90s, and the creepy liberals picked up their instructions and instructions. Does this mean that Russian citizens are less sneaky than Americans? America should not interfere in the internal affairs of other states by imposing its will and conditions. But you said that you sympathize with US foreign policy.
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 8 December 2020 09: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: Volder
                        Obviously, the United States is taking on too much, playing the role of the world's gendarme, although no one asks them to do so.

                        The conventional American patriot will agree with you here. Need to cultivate his garden.
                        Quote: Volder
                        They tried to impose their democracy on Russia in the 90s

                        Yes, here you are also right. Democracy is like corn, growing not everywhere. Especially if you grow with crooked hands.
                        Quote: Volder
                        Does this mean that Russian citizens are less sneaky than Americans?

                        Why only Americans? Of the 15 sister republics of the USSR, 9 succeeded to a greater or lesser extent, while 6 failed. Until 2012, there were illusions that Russia was in the first category. For a very long time it was hard to believe that the Russians would again begin to cut down the empire, this idea was so crazy. But no.
                        Quote: Volder
                        US foreign policy sympathizes with you.

                        Foreign policy? To me, since you registered me as an American patriot, it is not important. Expensive, perhaps, it costs.
    2. major147
      major147 6 December 2020 12: 07
      +6
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      Resolution of the European Parliament of 19.09.919 2019/2819 (RSP).
      b) Act M-R opened the way to WWII.
      c) In accordance with the pact, the USSR committed a number of aggression.
      e) After the end of WWII, a number of states suffered from the actions of the USSR for 50 years.
      f) It is necessary to condemn the crimes of Stalinism similar to the crimes of Nazism.

      And not a word about the "Munich Agreement" which resulted in the beginning of the 2nd MV, the seizure and partition of Czechoslovakia. But the West is shyly silent about this because they participated in this conspiracy.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 15: 34
        -4
        Quote: major147
        But the West is shyly silent about this because they participated in this conspiracy.

        Well, firstly, everything has already been written about Munich in Nuremberg, it is not harmful to read it. It was a completely civilized agreement, and WWII was a consequence of Violations Munich Agreement by the Reich. As for the Covenant, on the contrary, execution the pact meant war.
        Secondly, as mentioned above, the resolution was pushed mainly by Poland, she is not interested in Munich. The Poles also had all sorts of nuances with Cieszyn Silesia there. But the matter is old, neither the Czechs nor the Poles are aggravating it now.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 6 December 2020 15: 49
          +5
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Well, firstly, everything has already been written about Munich in Nuremberg, it is not harmful to read it. It was a completely civilized agreement, and WWII was the result of the violation of the Munich Agreement by the Reich. As for the Pact, on the contrary, the execution of the Pact meant war

          There is no need to promote the Lyash-Bandera interpretations here ...
          A non-aggression pact is occasion accuse the Russian Federation of "conspiracy", as the successor of the USSR, with fascist Germany.
          Causes the Second World War lies on the surface. And only completely maidanuts can blame the USSR for not defending the country that cut off parts of Belarus and Ukraine in the early 20s, taking advantage of the superiority in military power and the patronage of the West, France in particular.
          As a result, the USSR remained on the sidelines and silently watched as the "favorite" of Western democracies was rolling "democratic" Poland to smithereens. And the "guarantors of the Munich agreements" with tears in their eyes promise to open a "second front" in the West.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 16: 45
            -3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            There is no need to promote the Lyash-Bandera interpretations here ...

            Do you deny the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal or what?
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            this is a reason to accuse the Russian Federation of "conspiracy", as the successor of the USSR, with fascist Germany.

            The Russian Federation and the USSR are two different countries, and if the first pretends to be the second, no one is her doctor. For a certain part of TV viewers, the USSR is the country of the most delicious ice cream, while other people remember the USSR from a slightly different perspective. They remember and will never forget.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The reasons for the Second World War lie on the surface.

            Yes.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            did not defend that country

            Copy the resolution into google translate and read what is written there. Protection against comrade. Nobody needed Stalin.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            silently watched as the "favorite" of Western democracies

            France and Britain declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. The Reich's war with the USSR began a little less than 2 years later at the initiative of the German side. Until that moment, the USSR was happy with everything. More than even.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 December 2020 21: 34
              +2
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              You deny the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal or that

              I deny your Khokhlo-Bandera delirium, which all supporters of the Maidan suffer like diarrhea, passing off wishful thinking. Here is a good example, when Bandera's people "leave" the topic:
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              The Russian Federation and the USSR are two different countries, and if the first pretends to be the second, no one is her doctor. For a certain part of the TV viewers, the USSR is the country of the most delicious ice cream, while other people remember the USSR from a slightly different perspective. Remember and never forget

              In other words, people like you are ready to carry nonsense and blizzard of zhovto-blakit orientation, while giving advice such as:
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Copy the resolution into google translate and read what is written there
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 22: 04
                -1
                Regardless of the problems of the creation and functioning of the Ukrainian state, I have to note that during the period under review, the question of its existence was not raised.
        2. major147
          major147 6 December 2020 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          the resolution was mainly pushed by Poland, it is not interested in Munich about it. The Poles also had all sorts of nuances with Cieszyn Silesia there.

          And I mean that. In addition, the USSR proposed an anti-German alliance, but everyone except France refused. The USSR offered to send its troops to defend Czechoslovakia, but Poland refused to let the troops pass.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 6 December 2020 18: 52
            0
            Quote: major147
            In addition, the USSR proposed an anti-German alliance, but everyone except France refused.

            The USSR was just trolling. The anti-German alliance with the participation of the USSR assumed the occupation by the latter of the countries of Eastern Europe, and at the expense of Germany - that's how it goes. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what the USSR agreed on a little later with Germany.
            Quote: major147
            The USSR offered to send its troops to defend Czechoslovakia, but Poland refused to let the troops pass.

            Naturally. To fight the Wehrmacht on its territory, the Red Army during the Winter War is simply ridiculous, and then you cannot expel the liberators from Poland for 50 years. The Poles understood everything correctly. Moreover, with the Reich, as it seemed at that moment, they had reached an agreement successfully, and the Czechs, to put it mildly, are not relatives.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 7 December 2020 08: 32
      -1
      But this resolution is not a decree for us.
  8. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 6 December 2020 06: 51
    +2
    Ukrainian "diplomacy" at the "memorandum" level, i.e. about nothing, and so, for from the category of footnotes (notes) in the margins, well, spoil the air. No more.
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 December 2020 07: 03
    +13
    These "barbarians" rebuilt Ukraine after the war better than it was. If they really hate the Russians, let them break it all down, and we'll see what they do. This is no longer Russophobia, but simply hatred. It is unpleasant to listen to this, but it is necessary to return to yourself. Now, in fact, the communists in this war seem to have nothing to do with .. The people won the victory. And "the communists were worse than the Gestapo" (Anna Shafran). Although Yakov Kedmi says that it was not the Jews who suffered, but the Communists in the past. Many millions of them were destroyed. You watch a film where an artist who previously scolded the USSR plays a Red Army soldier, you see this falsehood. We need to build a more understandable ideology. Otherwise, we ourselves will slide into the same.
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 December 2020 07: 27
      +4
      And what kind of a normal ideology and history of their country can there be for the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR? Neither in 70 years under Soviet power, nor in 30 years after their seizure of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, they did not have anything or anyone useful for their country and people, for all 100 years there was only one malice AGAINST everything Soviet.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 6 December 2020 07: 37
    +7
    This process, the search for "new heroes" is going on throughout the territory of the former USSR. The collapse of the USSR continues, each former republic is trying to separate its history from the general history ... The territory was divided, and now history is being divided .. wink
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 December 2020 16: 48
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      This process, the search for "new heroes" is going on throughout the territory of the former USSR. The collapse of the USSR continues, every former republic is trying ...

      Yes, the collapse of the USSR continues, Alexey. They will try to continue it until all the achievements of the USSR are completely nullified, until it is completely forgotten.
  11. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 6 December 2020 08: 43
    +6
    There is nothing surprising in the fact that the heirs of Bandera and Shukhevych, in their speeches at all international platforms, are trying to equate the USSR with Nazi Germany.
    The Russian Federation in its Constitution with the recently adopted amendments consolidated the historical memory of the Great Patriotic War. In which the assessment of the Non-Aggression Pact concluded between the USSR and Germany is given as a forced measure. This de jure the beginning of the war is considered the day when the first shots on the German-Polish page rang out on the morning of September 1, 1939. De facto, the Second World War is a continuation of the First World War, and the Munich Agreement of 1938 served as the detonator. As an example - the reasons and results of the Karabakh conflict that took place quite recently. Its roots go back centuries.
    All historians and politicians until the end of the twentieth century wrote about the causes of the Second World War, and about the Munich Agreement, and wrote in their writings and spoke from the stands.
    But with the collapse of the state that made the main contribution to the defeat of Germany in World War II, a real revision of both the reasons and its results began, when in 2004 the countries of the former Warsaw bloc were admitted to the EU. First, the Czech Republic, and then Poland, decided to rethink "their contribution" in the fight against Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR. This is understandable - the proud gentry are offended that the war went through the Polish territory twice - in 1939, and in 1944. And this unfortunate country, which was the first to accept the blow of the Nazis, is not even equated with the number of victorious countries, as happened with France!
    It's even more fun with the Czechs ... They silently watched as the Sudetes were first taken from them. And then they were completely silently included in the Third Reich. As a result, in 1941, every third driver-mechanic in the Panzerwaffe was from the Czech Republic, and the Skoda concern worked hard for the good of the Wehrmacht during all 6 years of the war, supplying modern equipment and weapons.
    Modern Ukraine of 2014, as always, is trying to jump on the bandwagon of a departing train, changing shoes on the go, and in every possible way obliterating the lines of History. The meaning is clear: Banderostan is Europe. Geographically. But no one will give money to the Bandera government. Civilized Europe ran out of money. Covid-19, along with migrants who have flooded Germany, France and others like them, is breaking records, production is falling, as is income, as is GDP. All that the fighters with historical memory in NazalEjna can expect is the supply of lethal weapons by the Biden administration. But this will be the beginning of the end of today's Ukraine. Finally and irrevocably.
    1. major147
      major147 6 December 2020 12: 27
      +5
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      But no one will give money to the Bandera government. Civilized Europe ran out of money.

      Well, in the phrase "civilized Europe" I personally always take the word "civilized" in quotation marks.

      The Angles pulled ahead of everyone else, now the Poles and the Hungarians are smearing their skis, and then there are these beggars with their "independence"!
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 December 2020 09: 08
    +6
    The strange "sequence" of Mr. Kislitsa about "two dictatorships" .... If he is about the Nazis and "Soviet authorities" then they have been gone for a long time. If it is about Russians, Germans, Romanians and Hungarians, then let it be equally consistent. ... At this rate, the royal family of Great Britain will soon be "hit" by the foreign ministry's "savages" for the sword to the citizens of Stalingrad and the "magnificent leadership" of the USSR.
  13. New Year day
    New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 40
    +8
    Everything said by Kislitsa reflects the course of the ideological machine of Ukraine, aimed at reformatting the population. The ultimate goal is a complete separation from Russia, our kinship, the formation of the "Anti-Russia" generation.
    Well, you yourself have missed 20 years of opportunities, it's time to collect stones
    What can be opposed? - Nothing. The window of opportunity is closed. Ideology should have been dealt with, not the cultivation of Ukrainian oligarchs. We ourselves also pay for anti-Russian propaganda
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 December 2020 10: 15
    +1
    And when in 2014 Putin gave Ukraine at the mercy of the Americans, what was he thinking about? And now, as usual, we express our concern and indignation. On such statements I would take and annex Donbass to Russia on the basis of their own referendum! To rewrite history was discouraged! The gut is thin! They defiantly drain us, and Putin trade and gas for them. That's the whole genius policy.
  15. evgen1221
    evgen1221 6 December 2020 10: 50
    +2
    It's just that Ukrainians survive as best they can, and the mentality to boot. Today it is relatively satisfying and relaxed to roll a barrel at us, plus it is safe. This will be used until they begin to receive real measures in the teeth and not shake their fingers with threats, then, someday.
    1. aglet
      aglet 6 December 2020 12: 10
      0
      "This will be used until they start to receive real measures in the teeth and not shake their fingers with threats, then, someday."
      what are these measures so real? fines from Gazprom? state, by the way, organization. or the return of the LDNR, and, in the future, the Crimea? It is not yet clear that the Kremlin needs Crimea very much, well, except for resorts, and Sevastopol. and the ldnr are still kept just in case, maybe when they come in handy. would have been needed, would have been annexed long ago, at least like the Crimea
  16. Sychev Vitalii
    Sychev Vitalii 6 December 2020 10: 53
    +2
    They, Ukrainians, will now write their history as they want! Previously, it was necessary to think both the Soviets and the Russian Federation. They inflated the Ukrainian SSR immensely, seizing territories from neighboring foreign states (even those that had never been part of the Republic of Ingushetia, for example, North Bukovina and Galicia) and annexing them. After her exit from the USSR, they did not think at all about the fate of numerous Russians, about Crimea, about Galicia and Bukovina. What did the Russian presidents think almost 25 years after the collapse about the state of Russian-Ukrainian relations? And, it turns out, they did not think anything, because they slept on the stove and / or rested on their laurels. Well, naturally, everything was pissed away in 2014 ...
  17. Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 6 December 2020 10: 55
    +5
    Unfortunately.....
    Did NOT teach the youth
    What you need to do in life.
    To love your family and homeland,
    And NOT to fuck with America ...
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      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 6 December 2020 13: 38
        +3
        Why are you talking about this feverish delirium ???
      2. Thompson
        Thompson 6 December 2020 17: 30
        +2
        If someone tore a fart, then you! And long before that See the first post! And in general, enough to carry your stench here!
        Where are the moderators looking !? Here is not a website censor.
  18. kozkna
    kozkna 6 December 2020 12: 01
    +2
    The artificiality of the Ukrainian project is simply striking.
    Moreover, a sect was created under the chase "Ukrainian nation" - crooked and askew ...
  19. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 December 2020 12: 19
    +3
    What Ukrainian politicians are doing and declaring now is worse than Mazepa's betrayal. All this filth, betrayal, rewritten stories, humiliation of many national Russian people, will fall on the shoulders of future generations of Ukrainians. And it will lie down - for centuries. Let's be honest - a citizen of Ukraine is now associated with dancing on the Maidan, with heads in pots, with murders and violence against the people of Donbass. Few saw Mazepa's betrayal, but everyone saw the betrayal and bestiality of the Ukrainian authorities. Fortunately, TV and the Internet exist. Politicians come and go. Politics is changing. The shame of the whole people remains for centuries. I do not want to be biased, but the power of Ukraine was chosen by the people of Ukraine. Are these people ready for future disgrace? ..
  20. Konnick
    Konnick 6 December 2020 12: 24
    +4
    The first comment shows today's Nazi state of Ukraine. There, a generation has already been brought up in Sumerian traditions, but why did everyone see Nazism in Ukraine only in 2014, why did they not break off diplomatic relations with this unfinished woman in 1992 after these idiots dismantled the monument to Nikolai Kuznetsov, when the streets were renamed in honor of Shukhevych and Bandera. Now we are reaping the fruits of our tolerance, we also have a stigma in the cannon, in connection with the state policy of de-communization, with the closure of Lenin's Mausoleum with plywood, now the Vlasov tricolor is carried out in front of the Victory Banner in parades ... we are walking alongside the Sumerians ...
  21. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 20: 07
    -5
    Elected in April 2019, Zelensky, immediately after the election, supported decommunization (stating that it was "the choice of society"), and also personally approved the glorification of Bandera:
    “Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain percentage of Ukrainians, and this is normal and cool. This is one of those people who defended the freedom of Ukraine ”.

    Well, what to do with the authors of the article who carry misinformation even in simple things.
    This he said on the air when

    he was a showman.
    Candidate for the presidency of Ukraine V.A. Zelensky gave a great interview to RBC Ukraine
    And that in the matter of dekkomunizatsiya that Bandera he decided both yours and ours. He did not give any clear definition at all. Society has supported, well, this is the business of society. A hero for someone of a percentage (mind you not only half of the West of Ukraine, but in general a percentage), well, okay.
    Since he is Ukrainian, he does not see the Russian version of Bandera. He sees that there is a percentage of "Bandera-believing" nationalists. Well, hey. In general, he did not achieve anything. And the elections were completely lost.
    Not a word about heroization. Donetsk court of 2010 on the removal of Hero Bandera and Shukhevych-in force. And if all sorts of nationalists expressed their desire to refute this court decision, then Zelensky not a word about it.
    And still Bandera and Shukhevych are not officially heroes, by the decision of the Donetsk court, by the way. 2010 year. Neither the junta, nor Poroshenko, nor Zelenskiy were able to shake this court decision based on the laws of Ukraine.
    Scandalous speech of diplomat Sergei Kislitsa

    what's scandalous then? Is that not the Russian version? And the Ukrainian one (more precisely, the European one, this is their data, the pact is cooler than Munich). Well, hey. Well, they expressed regret that the Ukrainian land was trampled by all the armies and suffered greatly and a lot of Ukrainians died. In the end, each country talks about its own problems. There is no glorification of Nazism there. They pose the problem of war as a catastrophe for people in a given territory. This is a disaster for them, regardless of global world problems and geopolitics.
    It is clear that this is not the Russian version, where the global meaning prevails. Ukraine has not succeeded in this. Down-to-earth gaze, in my opinion this is a mistake. The previous representative of Ukraine was more global.
    There is nothing anti-Russian in this speech. A common accusation of conspiracy, in big geopolitics where small countries and ordinary people suffer. Someone blames the West, someone East. Standard butting of the rope.
    As a Ukrainian, the speech is so-so. I am sure this is a curtsey to Europe and its worldview. Than a neutral view of the problem, where everyone is to blame, and the USSR and the USA and Europe. But the winners are right. This is their right won by sweat and blood.
  22. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2020 23: 30
    +1
    It would be nice to revive the USSR and - to the fullest extent of the Soviet laws!
  23. Devil13
    Devil13 7 December 2020 01: 24
    0
    The funny thing is that these heroes of theirs killed more Ukrainian civilians than the Fritz soldiers and the river combined.
    But they are heroes, doo.
    Now about the lie. There is such a window of Occam, and it is before your eyes in action. They will soon grunt and 4 will equal 5.
    But as long as our government is lying on its own, as long as it is weak, until Russia is punished for this, and they make shit anti-Soviet films, put up monuments and plaques to Mannerheim and the Kolchaks ...
    We can bullshit and condemn our neighbors as much as we like.
    To sense that this will be 0.
  24. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 7 December 2020 07: 54
    -3
    But I am now ashamed that the Russian information field has become a preserve for the carriers of Goebbels' propaganda. Ukrobots sit on VO as at home, write all sorts of pseudo-historical dregs, turn everything inside out and still have not earned a ban on an i-writer. And then, after reading their posts, all sorts of "Koli from Urengoy" come to the podium, and everyone is surprised - "where did he get it from?" Yes, that's where I got it!
  25. tank64rus
    tank64rus 7 December 2020 17: 29
    -1
    Yes, they sleep and see how to stir up this new war against Russia. it's time to ask the traitors in Russia for the 90s and the collapse of the USSR.
  26. Denis Grushchenko
    Denis Grushchenko 7 December 2020 22: 53
    -1
    I go nuts from this zoo ... We are already accused of all sins. And they will blame. And we are afraid to openly call on Ukraine's western neighbors to take their lands back. I think as soon as it happens, everyone will shut up
  27. Wolf
    Wolf 8 December 2020 14: 22
    -1
    This is roughly how "historians" write history. One of the TRUTH does not need to hide one's eyes, but also one about falsifications and lodges, and especially about THESE WHICH WE DO.
    Why is this important, many people do not know, but the old law is still valid today:
    WHO CONTROLS THE PAST, CONTROLS AND THE FUTURE.
    Therefore, it is important in what hands the science of history and linguistics (grammar).
    The characteristic in all Slavic states from the end of the 16th century is that these sciences ARE NOT OURS, FOR WHICH, FOR AN EXAMPLE OUR LANGUAGE IS NOT MATTER.
    Just look at the example of the PRUSOV in Germany, they no longer know their language, you can now visit them that they are not Marsiyantsi, only Germans and Germany.



    1. Wolf
      Wolf 8 December 2020 14: 25
      0
      THIS AT THE TOP IS CALLED THE OVERTON WINDOW! smile
  28. misanthrope_2
    misanthrope_2 9 December 2020 06: 02
    0
    Ivanes who do not remember kinship.
  29. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 9 December 2020 10: 08
    -1
    It's just that we are weak in soul and state. So every mongrel can poke without fear of an answer.
  30. Denis Radchenko_2
    Denis Radchenko_2 9 December 2020 19: 21
    -1
    And that there was no agreement between Stalin and Hitler, and there was no joint occupation of Poland? And there were no executions of tens of thousands of Ukrainians in western Ukraine during the period from 1939 to 1941 either? And there was no joint parade of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army in Brest in the fall of 1939? As for S. Bandera, for the order given by the UPA to fight against the Wehrmacht, he was imprisoned by the Germans in a concentration camp, where he spent the entire war! His brother died in this concentration camp. And on what basis is he called a Nazi?
    1. klara
      klara 14 December 2020 08: 13
      0
      How the hell is a joint occupation? In 1939, the USSR returned its OWN! Territories seized by the Poles in 1920, the "historian" is illiterate. And you are wrong about Bandera: he was imprisoned for the ideas of an independent Ukraine, which contradicted Hitler's plans. So as not to climb in front of the Fuhrer. Such nonsense is the basis of modern Ukronazi propaganda. This is the language of a state traitor.
  31. IC
    IC 11 December 2020 10: 57
    0
    Ukraine is trying to create a new nation based on "historical" myths. The same thing happens in almost all the former republics of the USSR. In practice, they use the long-tried methods of the Bolsheviks after 17, but this policy receives significant support from Russia, in the form of rabid anti-Ukrainian propaganda of Russian politicians and the media, especially after 14, Together with the Ukrainian propaganda of the Goebbels type, it was possible to turn public opinion in an anti-Russian direction and towards the West.
  32. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 11 December 2020 21: 35
    0
    "Archival data claim - up to 80 thousand Ukrainians were ready to voluntarily join the ranks of SS punitive detachments"
    Let me remind you that these people were not Ukrainians, but Galicians. For only two years, people who were born and raised in Polish Galicia were on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR as part of the USSR. The overwhelming majority spoke and thought in Polish and in the Galician dialect of the Ukrainian language.
    In our understanding, they were not Ukrainians. And Ukraine, and even more so Soviet, was absolutely alien to them.
    1. klara
      klara 14 December 2020 08: 07
      0
      That's right: Moscow allowed the Western Nazis to seize power in Little Russia - the original Russian southern territories inhabited overwhelmingly by ethnic Russians. Even Chernomyrdin the ambassador was warned of the danger. He: "Where will they go, they are sitting on our pipe!" We've had enough. And the president has always appointed such idiots as ambassadors in the most important direction.
  33. Oleg Simokhin
    Oleg Simokhin 14 December 2020 06: 24
    0
    Thank you clearly and to the point. Subtitle title. UN do not forget about Nuremberg this is a terrible truth about the Nazis again the subject of a polygon of history as the next generation wants new mistakes
  34. klara
    klara 14 December 2020 07: 59
    0
    It is disgusting to look at the tears of the author. Doesn't he understand that Kiev is behaving the way Moscow allows it? Here is the Nazi regime, and the closure of Russian schools, and NATO bases, and complete ethnocide, humiliation of the country and government every day. What normal country would tolerate this and even close by? Please, the Kremlin allowed! History teaches: only the weak cries out for justice and sheds tears. The strong one calmly and often silently solves his problems. But how does a complete diplomatic trend on all fronts fit in with the screams from TV that the Russian Federation has the strongest army in the world?
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  36. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 20 December 2020 23: 15
    0
    You will never be brothers.
  37. aleks700
    aleks700 2 January 2021 18: 20
    0
    Well. Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volhynia were occupied by Ukraine. How is this version of the story? Down with the Ukrainian invaders.
  38. Sergey Baran
    Sergey Baran 7 January 2021 20: 32
    +1
    A person who bites the hand that feeds him usually licks the boot that kicks him ...
    I often thought about the nature of the hatred of the Banderaites towards the Russians, until I met the expression: hatred is the revenge of a coward for the fear he has experienced!
    And this explains their current struggle with monuments and their desire to lick the boots of anyone who is against Russia.
    The quilted jacket is the same symbol of Victory over fascism as the T - 34, PPSh and Katyusha. Now it's clear who he pisses off?
  39. Alex Thinking
    Alex Thinking 12 January 2021 11: 52
    0
    And why does the Russian Federation not file a claim with the International Criminal Court against all of them for the rehabilitation of Nazism on the basis of the Nuremberg Tribunal decisions, which were recognized as binding for all participating countries ?? !! It also says that ANY ATTEMPT to rehabilitate Nazism is a criminal offense that has no expiration date!
  40. Pavel skaletski
    Pavel skaletski 1 February 2021 20: 04
    0
    It is necessary to remind more often who they really are.
  41. ppgt90
    ppgt90 14 February 2021 12: 56
    0
    The indignation and extreme indignation, turning into outright hatred, of Russians is understandable. I cannot understand the inaction of the Ukrainians themselves. Are they a people or a herd of sheep? I understand that they are frankly a dumb herd of sheep. Some kind of scum mocks the veterans of the war in Ukraine, and their kids and granddaughters are on a roll? And this something considers itself a people? Outright abomination. It was in vain that our grandfathers and fathers showed mercy to the "repentant" at that time. In vain, in vain. You shouldn't show any mercy. Will backfire then with even worse troubles. The surgeon regretted appendicitis and did not remove all of it. what happens? Correctly. Peritonitis and patient death. So is it necessary to show mercy to a deadly infection in the form of a person? Definitely not. How much cleaner society would be now, if everyone with ... whose Bandera and OUN's were destroyed in time.
  42. Alexander F.
    Alexander F. 28 February 2021 04: 11
    +1
    90 created a dangerous precedent, showed that under certain circumstances it is quite possible to get “from rags straight to riches.” That's all - ideology! ”

    Whom do the Liberal serve? or why the monkey didn't become human.
    Man was created in the image and likeness, but somewhere it went wrong and morality did not take root in some individuals, later they turned out to be communists and liberals. And from them a monkey originated, there is intelligence, they can use tools of labor, but they prefer not to do this, but wait for the bananas to fall by themselves or to be given them - that's why she did not become a man!
    And already a liberal is trying to turn a man into a monkey!
    And if without lyrics.
    Andera is an artificially invented ideology of the West, for cultivation and subsequent unification into a controlled group of persons with sadistic inclinations in Ukraine. These individuals, as serving the ideology of Ukrainization, were bred as a breed of fighting dogs through selection. The truth turned out to be Jackalier
    It was formed to create a shock core aimed at destroying Ukraine at the initial stage as an industrial state, with the subsequent absorption of statehood. (and it turned out the same)

    Russian liberals, and now, like the 6anderites, are trying to bring out the same selection method and with the same purpose of undermining the Russian statehood.
    And we should not forget about British ideals, British racism, ideas of eugenics (improvement, selection of the human race and social Darwinism)

    So they cannot be called more than victims of selection. And I don't want to laugh!
  43. Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 5 March 2021 23: 58
    +1
    and the main thing is that this scoundrel studied in a Soviet school, after all!