Azerbaijan announced losses during military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

During the hostilities on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani army lost more than 2,5 thousand soldiers killed, more than 100 people are still missing. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of the republic.

The message of the Azerbaijani military department, posted on Facebook, specifies that a total of 2783 Azerbaijani servicemen have died, the identity of another 103 people has not been established, and more than 100 people are missing.

In the Patriotic War, 2783 servicemen were killed. The identity of 103 soldiers is established by DNA analysis. More than 100 servicemen are considered missing. Steps are being taken to locate them and hand them over to families

- said in a statement.

It is added that today 1245 servicemen who have received various injuries are in the country's medical institutions.

Detailed information on the names of the dead servicemen, their date of birth, rank and combat path traveled will be additionally presented to the public of the country

- stated in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic.

Let us remind you that earlier Yerevan published its data on losses during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to the statement of the Ministry of Health of the republic, as of November 19, the death toll of Armenian servicemen since the beginning of the conflict was 2425 people. It was about the servicemen of the Armenian Defense Army and volunteers, whose bodies have already passed a medical examination and their identity has been established.

Both sides note that today it is not possible to establish the final death toll, since the exchange of bodies and prisoners has not been completed.

Comments

[Fungus]

In principle, as everyone guessed, the losses were huge. Without Turkish UAVs, the end of the war could have been very different ...

[Hunter 2]

All this is sad. Even if you believe the official version ... 2783 servicemen in the category of 200, plus 300, plus deferred losses.
Azerbaijan has many tears, and Armenia too. My condolences to everyone.

[know]

Very sad. These are echoes of the collapse of the USSR.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Hello !

Quote: Hunter 2

All this is sad. Even if you believe the official version ... 2783 military personnel in the category 200, plus 300, plus

To be honest, I expected around 1800-2000 two hundred. If you are interested. Here in the West they are discussing the Conflict.
It is symptomatic that the nationalist opposition of Azerbaijan, in two or three days, announced the losses to Western correspondents in the region of 2700 XNUMX.
They counted according to their source.
It looks like Aliyev didn't lie this time. What's most interesting. Western military analysts are praising the military unit of Azerbaijan.
Especially about the final phase, I mean under and in Shusha.
The French were the first to start, and then the rest were picked up.
As I understand it, they were impressed by the Nakhchivan mountain special forces.
Almost melee weapons (kukri) and self-loading Browning Hi-Power 9 × 19.
It looks like you noticed who did their best in training.
Cautiously hinting at the retired Gurks.
British "well-wished" were noted.

[Dreamboat]

It’s somehow hard to believe in the Armenian figures, not only did they openly lie throughout the war, but now the whole statistics with continuous reservations “the loss of Armenia’s defense from among 2500 identified persons” ... but how many not identified? How many are missing? How many of the other units that participated in the war on the side of Armenia?
Azerbaijan was somehow more honest in its PR war (which even surprised). I did not lie about 12-15 thousand dead opponents, "hellish cauldrons where enemy divisions dissolve and this will provide a turning point" and so on. A little earlier I reported about the capture of another village or city, but in fact everything turned out to be taken ...

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Dreamboat

I somehow believe in Armenian numbers

Hello !
Probably you wanted to write * not * hard to believe? !!
And the rest I agree with you.
At the same time, note that the Armenians did not meet the Azerbaijanis with "bread" and "salt" either.

[voyaka uh]

Why huge? For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war are estimated at 4000-5000 soldiers killed.

[Alex777]

If it were not for the high-level betrayal, the losses would have been much less. This was not the case in this war.
Although mining the directions of the offensive is a murky story.

[Incvizitor]

If it were not for the betrayal of the Armenians and they would not have such problems, although they themselves jumped.

[Alex777]

If it were not for the betrayal of the Armenians and they would not have such problems, although they themselves jumped.

The Armenians did not have - it is not yet known for sure. It will be known - we will discuss.
And the fact that we do not have all the information about this war - be sure.
I have not seen what the participants of the hostilities tell in the press.

[krot]

Why huge? For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war are estimated at 4000-5000 soldiers killed.

You don't need to level your ass with your finger! The war in Chechnya, the second was from 1999 to 2002, a hot phase, but losses continued until 2008. This is nine years, not a month of fighting in Karabakh !! And there they took Grozny. And yet Chechens are not Azerbaijanis or Armenians! These are people who are tougher. One mention of the "Vostok" battalion with "Bumblebees" in 2008 plunged the Georgians into flight. Only the heels sparkled all the way to Tbilisi.

[Renator]

Quote: krot

And yet Chechens are not Azerbaijanis or Armenians!

Would you be everywhere in hostilities to judge? Arrogance and stupidity only

[krot]

Would you be everywhere in hostilities to judge? Arrogance and stupidity only

You don't need to be in the field to conduct analytics. Chechens are natural born warriors, they have it in their blood, and Armenians and Azerbaijanis are born traders. And there is no arrogance here.
And about stupidity, I'll leave it on your conscience.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why huge? For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war are estimated at 4000-5000 soldiers killed.

The further, the more local wars (we are not talking about the barmaley) tend to reduce the number of victims - because you yourself understand, not trenches, machine guns, thorns, and a herd running towards almost for a bayonet attack a la the First World War. Well, yes, the Chechen - even the second - was still happening at a time when the Russian army had not even begun to reform. And for such a modern - and rather transient - conflict, the number of victims is really a lot. Well, although these are two post-scoops. I'm more interested in how many civilians on both sides died, and how.

[maxim k.]

In a month and a half of fighting, how was it in Karabakh?

[d4rkmesa]

For a 100-strong army - considerable, with the wounded minus a whole brigade, or even a division.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why huge? For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war are estimated at 4000-5000 soldiers killed.

So here the war is counted in one, not a full year quarter, which cannot be compared with the Chechen war. Here the losses on both sides are almost comparable to the losses in Afghanistan for the entire time.
It must be admitted that the Armenians also fought not weakly, since they inflicted such damage in manpower without the support of shock UAVs, the use of which by Azerbaijan predetermined the outcome of the war in favor of Baku.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

without the support of attack UAVs, the use of which by Azerbaijan predetermined the outcome of the war in favor of Baku.

Hello !
Mostly tornadoes and polonaises did their best. On sbs 6 Dutch tv. channel, showed for almost two hours! How tornadoes covered the Armenians with packages. Especially during the Armenian counter attacks.
Entire units were drowned in fire and smoke.
Horror. Frankly, shots are not for the faint of heart.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

Quote: Nyrobsky

without the support of attack UAVs, the use of which by Azerbaijan predetermined the outcome of the war in favor of Baku.

Hello !
Mostly tornadoes and polonaises did their best. On sbs 6 Dutch tv. channel, showed for almost two hours! How tornadoes covered the Armenians with packages. Especially during the Armenian counter attacks.
Entire units were drowned in fire and smoke.
Horror. Frankly, shots are not for the faint of heart.

Have a nice one you too! It may be so, but the shots with the destruction of Armenian equipment and infantry, both on the march and in the trenches with the use of Bayraktar and Israeli kamikaze drones, which twisted the entire period of hostilities, had a huge demoralizing effect, as well as a clear demonstration of superiority in business solving operational and combat missions through the use of drones. The same packets of tornadoes and polonaises, which you mentioned, which covered the infantry and fortified areas of the Armenians, were aimed using the same UAVs. In general, these "Carlsons" did a great job so that in the general staffs of many countries of the world those who are supposed to seriously revise the tactics and strategy of the nearest and future wars.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

It may be so, but the shots with the destruction of Armenian equipment and infantry, both on the march and in the trenches with the use of Bayraktars and Israeli kamikaze drones, which twisted the entire period of hostilities, had a huge demoralizing effect

Here, that's it!
Correctly noticed.

[iouris]

I think more died. The question is, was it a war with whom?

[sustav75]

How many years did the Chechen war-2 last? And then a month! Do not level.

[X-factor]

But during this month, much more shells were fired than during the Chechen years. Consider not only the duration of the war, but also the intensity.

[Vladimir247]

Warrior uh.
Why huge ...
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Because. Let's take the total losses for 5000. Divide it by 40 days of conflict. We get 125 people a day.
And now we project ... well, for example, on Israel. How is it for you, 125 a day, is it normal? Not huge?
And this is if you take the officialdom. It is underestimated by a factor of 2. Many times the figures of 10 thousand were sounded. What is believed much more. Until there is a list of names, this figure has a clear priority. And this is 250 people a day.
For example, in the Second World War, we lost about 500 people a day. military.
Not a huge loss at all. I understand ... not mine ...

[Letun]

Quote: Vladimir247

For example, in the Second World War, we lost about 500 people a day. military.

During the Second World War, the USSR lost about 700 thousand servicemen? Are you out there in your mind? Or listened to the anthem sitting in the UAZ Patriot?
Divide the losses of the USSR by the number of days of the War. This makes 18 people a day. Even if the military is a quarter of the dead population, this will turn out to be about 600 thousand per day. Every day for 5 years!

[Vladimir247]

Letun
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.... you are out of your mind ....
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The trouble is with you who are "out of your mind". Kindergarten, right-word. The teacher will send you to the pot, and if she doesn't tell you to take off your pants, don't take it off.
The losses of the USSR, the military, according to our General Staff, are about 8,5 million. Divide by 365 × 4, that is, we are 1460. We get 5 thousand 821. This is a day. Where does 18000 come from?
Now take now. 10000, divide by 40 days. 250 people. In a day.
So clear, or still need to explain?
Now, let's project onto the population. In the USSR there were 200 million, in Armenia and Azerbaijan in the amount of about 10. That is, the current losses, we multiply by 20. This is about 5 thousand, well, or vice versa, we divide our 5 thousand by 20.
In what mind you are, I do not know, but the fact that the losses for these two republics are like in the Second World War is a no brainer. They lost as much as in the Second World War, got it?
Inject, are you a victim of the exam?

[Old tanker]

We compared 40 days of hostilities and three years, of which about a year of intense.

[Alex013]

Alexey, the comparison is somewhat incorrect. How long did the second Chechen war last? And the war in Karabakh - 1,5 months ...

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Why huge?

Did the second Chechen one last 2 months?

[Reviews]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

Did the second Chechen one last 2 months?

"Wiki":

August 7, 1999 - active hostilities until April 20, 2000)

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

It was a rhetorical question.

[Reviews]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

It was a rhetorical question.

Well, maybe someone else doesn't know yet.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why huge? For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war are estimated at 4000-5000 soldiers killed.

For comparison - in the Yom Kippur War of 1973, the Jews lost about 18 thousand people in 3 days, the Arabs - 8-12.

[EvilLion]

Do you know how many years this war went on? Despite the fact that by March 2000 the bandits had already been defeated.

[72jora72]

For comparison, the losses of the Russian army in the second Chechen war

The losses of our troops (total) are about 2600, but you did not announce the period "modestly", 1999-2008, ten years. How long did the fighting in Karabakh last? I can not hear?

[Alex777]

There is a suspicion that the advancing army should have suffered somewhat greater losses than announced. Especially against the background of what fortifications they had to take by storm and how the Azerbaijanis ran into minefields at the beginning of the war.
On the other hand, it is a pity for all those who died in this war and the fewer the better.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Alex777

There is a suspicion that the advancing army should have suffered somewhat greater losses than announced.

This is in a classic war. In modern wars, technical superiority decides. Only by photo / video Azerbaijan lost 30 tanks destroyed, against 127 Armenian ones (without captured, with 200 captured). Fourfold difference.

[Toby Dammit]

To fit so much stupidity and contradiction in one comment - you need to try!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fungus

In principle, as everyone guessed, the losses were huge.

I wonder how many Turks and Muslim mercenaries died.

[Alex777]

I wonder how many Turks and Muslim mercenaries died.

Scrupulously noticed! Here, apparently, the difference is hidden.
About the Syrians came across a figure of 200 in the middle of the war.
And among the Armenians about the volunteers they could easily keep silent.

[Nationalist]

Proofs about "Armenian volunteers" in the studio!
More than 600 Syrians have died (this is a statement from the Syrian authorities)

[X-factor]

0 because these were all Armenian fairy tales. For 44 days + month of the end of the war, not Armenia, not France, and not one other state could prove its own words about mercenaries. It was just an informational duck to put both Turkey and Azerbaijan in a bad light. Although Azerbaijan showed several videos with the participation of Kurds and Greeks from Armenia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: X-factor

0 because these were all Armenian fairy tales. For 44 days + month of the end of the war, not Armenia, not France, and not one other state could prove its own words about mercenaries.

Yes, look at the Internet, not Armenian or Azerbaijani sites, you will find a lot of interesting things (if you want). The Turks are still those guys, they do not want to die in Libya and in Syria, they use mercenaries everywhere in the forefront. So, it is impossible to assert that there was no, just as it is also impossible to assert that there were. This is not our diocese.

[OgnennyiKotik]

According to the statement of the Ministry of Health of the republic, as of November 19, the number of Armenian servicemen killed since the beginning of the conflict was 2425 people. It was about servicemen of the Armenian Defense Army and volunteers

2425 + 250 unidentified = 2675 from the Armed Forces of Armenia and volunteers
+1586 from the army of Karabakh
+ hundreds of bodies not yet removed, not exchanged from the battlefields
Total: 4261 + not found, not exchanged - for any over 5000

[VyacheSeymour]

I saw the set minus for a comment, put a plus by zeroing it ... I can not understand the minuses who do not justify their minus ... - there is something to object, say, but minus an anonymous sign in the absence of any personal opinion. reliable, verifiable sources - share! If not, don't morale Claudia for the sake of a minus ...

[Hunter 2]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

2425 + 250 unidentified = 2675 from the Armed Forces of Armenia and volunteers
+1586 from the army of Karabakh
+ hundreds of bodies not yet removed, not exchanged from the battlefields
Total: 4261 + not found, not exchanged - for any over 5000

Are you happy about this? Couch Dolboozhik? Why sit here, would go like a Man - fought ... a shameful thing.

[Otshelnik]

Listen, you DolboBomzhik! It is none of your business which of us fought and who did not ... he does the right thing, that he is happy ... and you do not enjoy victory? And don't make yourself a dandelion ... do you fight a little or kill a little? Or are you always for justice?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Otshelnik

Listen, you DolboBomzhik! It is none of your business which of us fought and who did not ... he does the right thing, that he is happy ... and you do not enjoy victory? And don't make yourself a dandelion ... do you fight a little or kill a little? Or are you always for justice?

After a break ... we fight a lot and kill a lot ... but we don't kick corpses, we just dig in and forget. My business ... - The Warrior communicates with the Warrior, on the unwritten laws of War. Dogs bark.
There is no honor for the Warrior to communicate with Shavka. And you don’t even pull at her, so nonsense ...

[Otshelnik]

You are not a warrior but an icicle ... I saw how you in the first Karabakh war, not only with soldiers, but civilians ... your 366 regiment ... you will burn in hell ... or maybe you can remind you of the creatures about January 20, when the same creatures how you women and children were crushed with tanks and shot ... you and your scum like you can tell fairy tales here ... so don't bark ...

[Hunter 2]

Tomato mouse hooked you ... Great!
Not a nationalist I, from the word at all ... only in Chechnya yours (mostly Azeris, although I saw several men) - were in the role of mules and cooks ... I even spared you ... to kill a contraceptive is no honor. And how beautiful they cried ... we were forced, we will not be anymore - YouTube to help.
If you are in Russia, I recommend hiding, it will be painful and scary

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Otshelnik

Listen, you DolboBomzhik! It's none of your business which of us fought?

Yes, none of you fought ... sofa fighters, keyboard snipers I wonder why Smirnov has not blocked your group yet? In Tyumen - Everything and Everyone understood at once, if you graduate from something - you will go to the front! Not one disobeyed! I’m lying, one decided to wave a flag ... probably already served his 15 days, now he will go to you with his family, well, if they don’t go to jail for illegally obtaining Citizenship

[Otshelnik]

https://ru.axar.az/news/politika/254176.html

[Otshelnik]

https://youtu.be/eE00IMhaaQA

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

What was sitting here, I would go like a Man - he fought ... it was shameful.

They hit the point, hit the quick.

[Vladimir247]

2500 thousand ... can be believed only after the roll-call publication of the lists. And from the Armenian side, the same thing. And so ... these two figures, who Pashinyan and Aliyev, killed a huge number of people out of the blue. In principle, no way. Now they will try, as they can, to minimize losses. For, any normal person, the question immediately arises: why, in the USSR, Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not shoot at each other? In the army, I remember drinking chacha together ...
Who, how, and why brought people to this state? Tens of thousands of mothers howl with grief, and these ... one young woman with his wife gallops through the ruins, posing, rejoicing, he is the winner ... the son of a KGB general ... the other one grabbed the prime minister's chair ...
Two times exactly underestimated, on both sides. The figure 2 thousand has already been sounded several times. And to clarify the situation, only the publication of the lists of the dead can.

[ankir13]

- "For, any normal person, the question immediately arises: why, in the USSR, the Armenians and Azerbaijanis did not shoot at each other? In the army, I remember, they drank chacha together ..." - that's exactly in order to shoot started, the Jews Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the Komarilla Belovezhskaya UNION and fell apart, to please NATE. That August 91, I remember it was deathly cold in my heart, I went out of the house and cried, I was 17 years old ... Longing and bad forebodings that came true.

[noxange]

Regarding the lists, the quote: "The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan reported that the public will be provided with detailed information about the names, date of birth, ranks and combat path of servicemen who died in the Patriotic War. The commission, consisting of employees of the relevant state structures, is working in this direction."

Regarding the second part, it is difficult to explain something to those who have not passed through themselves 30 years of pain over the lost lands, the attendant adversity and the complete lack of any justice. At the end of the 80s, the population of the Azerbaijan SSR was slightly more than 7 million people, taking into account almost a million refugees from Armenia, Karabakh and the regions around Karabakh, it turns out that as a result of that war, every 7th person in the country was left without a roof over his head, work and livelihood. 20% of the territory was lost, including cities of great cultural importance for the Azerbaijani people. Hundreds of civilians were killed, which the enemy was proud of and raised the killers to the rank of national heroes. Try to project it onto yourself, your country and imagine how you might feel in our place.

Unfortunately, it was not possible to reach an agreement with the world. Moreover, Pashinyan and his associates have been heating up the situation in every possible way since 2018. It came to threats about the start of a "new war, for new territories." The so-called "buffer zone" around the former NKAO was actively populated by Armenian migrants from Lebanon and Syria, etc. Those. rather unambiguous signals were sent that no one was planning to return these lands to the world. In such a situation, Aliyev simply could not continue to look at it and do nothing, the people simply would not forgive him for this. Anyone who says that it was Aliyev who started this war does not know anything about the significance of this conflict for the Azerbaijani people.

God forbid, this will all end and peace will finally reign on these lands. Although, unfortunately, it's hard to believe in this :(

[Vladimir247]

noxange
Try to project ...
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Why try there? We kind of lived in the same country, no? And everyone remembers what they experienced together in the Second World War. Azerbaijan and Armenia fell into a batch on which they cooked the collapse of the country. Hence all the troubles. We should remember where these troubles came from, and why, and we continue: here they are, here they are ...
Nothing will end, you know. And again the Armenians will be encouraged, so remember how in the 90s ... and again there will be a military batch.
Only the restoration of the USSR can bring lasting peace to Karabakh. The story says so. Do not believe it, so see for yourself. Again.

[noxange]

I remember well and understand who and why made this mess. They made good use of old grievances and the huge Armenian diaspora in the west. With the filing of which, the Armenians of the USSR suddenly became uncomfortable to live with their neighbors. Azerbaijanis with whom they lived for 70 years side by side, fought together during the same Second World War, suddenly turned into Turks who needed to be "cut for genocide" in the Ottoman Empire, to which the Azerbaijanis actually had nothing to do with it ... It is a pity that the USSR by that time, he was no longer able to oppose anything to this plan of the Western special services. By the way, Azerbaijan at the referendum supported the preservation of the USSR by 93%. Armenia was against it. Another confirmation of how well they have worked on the Armenian diaspora.

[Vladimir247]

As for Armenia, I will not say, in my opinion no. But Sverdlovsk, yes.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: noxange

I remember well and understand who and why made this mess. They made good use of old grievances and the huge Armenian diaspora in the west. With the filing of which, the Armenians of the USSR suddenly became uncomfortable to live with their neighbors. Azerbaijanis with whom they lived for 70 years side by side, fought together during the same Second World War, suddenly turned into Turks who needed to be "cut for genocide" in the Ottoman Empire, to which the Azerbaijanis actually had nothing to do with it ... It is a pity that the USSR by that time, he was no longer able to oppose anything to this plan of the Western special services. By the way, Azerbaijan at the referendum supported the preservation of the USSR by 93%. Armenia was against it. Another confirmation of how well they have worked on the Armenian diaspora.

Excellent thoughtful comments from you Peace to your home! Write more so that We understand ... Azerbaijanis are Our Neighbors !!! With whom We were Together and survived more than one War.

[Old tanker]

Well, from the Azerbaijani side, not at all for nothing. Almost 30 years they waited for the Armenians to return the occupied territories to them. Yes, with huge losses in such a short period of the war, but they returned their lands. The status of Karabakh has not been determined. But this question is not fundamental. Well, in the future, Armenia will not attack the lands conquered by Azerbaijan. This is an act of aggression on her part.
So, the victims of Azerbaijan are not inappropriate. In general, if Pashinyan hadn't stuck, how many lives he would have saved! Their blood is on it.

[Avior]

If Pashinyan hadn't stumbled, the Armenians would have torn him to pieces
Even after the war they think they are stronger

[Vladimir247]

Old tanker.
... Armenia will not attack in the future ...
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There is no such confidence, and here's why. No one will ask ordinary people whether they want to fight or not. Will put frostbite in power, and forward, Armenians, for the glory of Artsakh! Well, now they pushed it through in Moldova, some ... and less than a week after the elections, she began to cry about Transnistria.
A couple of years will pass, and the Dashnaks in Armenia will sing again ... Soros has enough money to pay all the singers.
All these problems can only be solved systematically. Within the USSR. And so, sooner or later they will drag us into war.

[Old tanker]

I will repeat once again, no matter what scumbags would ever be in power in Armenia, an attack on the regions of Azerbaijan is an act of aggression. With the appropriate reaction to this by the UN and other countries. This is the first thing.
Secondly, Armenia with its economy is unlikely to be able to compare in military power with Azerbaijan. And thirdly, even the frostbitten in power will not attack Turkey's ally in order to get a second front from the south from her. Since to lose this power along with the country.

[Lord of the Sith]

Yes, this meat grinder took many lives. Russia stopped this massacre

[RUSS]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Yes, this meat grinder took many lives. Russia stopped this massacre

Well, let's just say, Russia saddled the Azerbaijani victory in time, and at the same time did not allow to take Stepanakert. It turns out that Russia seems to be good for everyone, and Karabakh partially remained Armenian, and did not interfere with the Azerbaijanis for the time being.

[Lord of the Sith]

Russia saddled the Azerbaijani victory in time, and at the same time did not allow to take Stepanakert.

Right

Karabakh partially remained Armenian, and Azerbaijani

In the root is not true.


Karabakh is now Russian. There are Russian military bases there. The Turks were driven away. Azerbaijanis swallowed their language. Well, and so on))

[RUSS]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Karabakh is now Russian. There are Russian military bases there. The Turks were driven away. Azerbaijanis swallowed their language. Well, and so on))

Firstly, there is no Russian base in Karabakh and it is not known whether there will be. Secondly, there will be Turkish soldiers in Karabakh.

[Lord of the Sith]

Only Russian troops are now under a trilateral agreement in Karabakh. Read the contract carefully. And no one else. For now.

[Vladimir247]

Stopped, yes. Only now, they could have done it earlier. And in general they could not allow it. Through all these CIS and CSTO. Or did they not know that things were heading for that? Here is how to write to a patriotic, so all our intelligence services are the best, and they know everything, but here, as they say, neither ear nor snout? I can't believe it. And nobody even snorted. Only mothers now howl with grief. And there are no guilty ones.
And so not b it happens....

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladimir247

Or did they not know that things were heading for that?

This question can be asked to our intelligence about the war in Ossetia in 2008.

Quote: Vladimir247

And in general they could not allow it. Through all these CIS and CSTO.

So the war was not between Azerbaijan and Armenia, but the war ON the TERRITORY of Azerbaijan, the war between Karabakh and Azerbaijan.

[Vladimir247]

Russ
So the war was ...
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Well, yes, well, yes, and not a war at all. How could I not have guessed ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladimir247

Russ
So the war was ...
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Well, yes, well, yes, and not a war at all. How could I not have guessed ...

Well, how do you think the CSTO could help in resolving this conflict?

[alexmach]

This question can be asked to our intelligence about the war in Ossetia in 2008.

What are your claims to intelligence about that war then?

[RUSS]

Quote: alexmach

What are your claims to intelligence about that war then?

The claims are simple, why did they not know that Saakashvili was preparing an invasion? Why did they miss the pulling of Georgian troops to South Ossetia? Or maybe our people knew and waited for the attack? As they say, the reason appeared to benefit from this conflict, to dismember Georgia, blocking its path to NATO, to send troops into South Ossetia, etc.

[alexmach]

The claims are simple, why did they not know that Saakashvili was preparing an invasion?

I mean, you didn't know? And from the exercises, the troops did not just return to the location and crowded together at the entrance to the Roki tunnel?

[Okolotochny]

They knew, foresaw, there were plans. The first day the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the country (the President) was "out of the access zone", the commander of the 58th Army and the commander of the North Caucasus Military District, as well as the prime minister, took responsibility. And then the rest of the "type connected".

[RUSS]

Quote: Okolotochny

The first day the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the country (President) was "out of the access zone"

The president was then Medvedev, and where was he, that he was not in the access zone?

[alexmach]

Only now, we could have done earlier

What for? at what cost and with what consequences?

And in general they could not allow it. Through all these CIS and CSTO. Or did they not know that things were heading for that?

No, they couldn't. They knew of course, but they could not. The conflict has been brewing for decades and has matured. And somehow it had to be resolved. And Sotorona were not ready for a peaceful resolution. And it was not possible to bend their weight to infinity through the knee. The Armenians are already offended for the last war that they say the damned Russians did not allow them to finish off the enemy to the end. I had to admonish.

2 times exactly underestimated, on both sides

where did you get that?

The figure 10 thousand has already been sounded several times. And to clarify the situation, only the publication of the lists of the dead can.

You never know what figure sounded where. It is difficult to imagine a more competent source of information on Azerbaijani losses than their MO. For Armenians, everything can be much more complicated.

[Vladimir247]

alexmach
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What for?
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Some strange question ... inhuman. Then, that 10 thousand killed were not. Don't you understand this?

You never know what figure ...
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Yes, that's really something like that. There is no more faith, neither in the media, nor in the officialdom. And it is unlikely to be.)
Do you have? Can you share why? )

[alexmach]

Yes, that's really something like that. There is no more faith, neither in the media, nor in the officialdom. And it is unlikely to be.)

And in the anonymous figure issued by God knows who God knows on the basis of what you believe? Well your business of course

Some strange question ... inhuman. Then, that 10 thousand killed were not. Don't you understand this?

Human, human. There is nothing to breed snot, there are things that are subject to man, but there are those that are not subject. For the Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers, the Russian authorities cannot be held responsible. And for the idiocy of the Armenian people, who recently rode with posters about the Russian invaders too. It cannot and should not.

[Vladimir247]

Into an anonymous figure ...
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And who told you that it was anonymous? Have you come up with it yourself? The figure of 4750 killed by Armenia was announced by the Armenian ambassador to the Vatican. And why would the Azerbaijani losses be less? Here comes -10 thousand. And this is still a minimum. Because there is no list of the dead.

[alexmach]

And why would the Azerbaijani losses be less?

Why should they be the same? Their technical losses, for example, are noticeably less.

[Vladimir247]

Burning a tank with a kamikaze drone is one thing, but destroying a soldier is somewhat different. Or do you take the Armenians for idiots, believing that they are completely unfamiliar with such a tactical technique as dispersal in the area? A combat drone-projectile .... expensive thing.
Air reconnaissance, yes, probably the Azerbaijanis were better, but not enough to have losses, 2 times less, during the offensive.

[Vladimir247]

The Russian authorities swore to us in 1991 that everything in the CIS would be tip-top, friendship and so on. Now, you are saying here that they are not responsible. Well ... expected, what ...

[alexmach]

The Russian authorities swore to us in 1991 that everything in the CIS would be tip-top, friendship and so on. Now, you are saying here that they are not responsible. Well ... expected, what ...

Really? But I remember something about independent states and each owner in his house.

[Vladimir247]

Yes, every owner, that's right, but about wars .... on the contrary, the emphasis was on friendship, and so on. So what? Who will be responsible for the deception? Nobody, well, yes, I understand that ...
We will have an eternal war, it has not yet taken up the Tatars and the Bashkirs. It is quite obvious that in the democratic reformist paradigm of the country's existence, a complete kirdyk awaits us.
These are simple things: the country is not able to do anything, even micro-serial ... some samples, wherever you go.
Su57 - 8 pcs. in how many years? Armata was presented in the 15th year ... and where is it?
There is no one to answer again?

[alexmach]

Yes, every owner, that's right, but about wars .... on the contrary, the emphasis was on friendship, and so on. So what? Who will be responsible for the deception?

And the fact that if each owner is in his house, then he is responsible for what is happening in this house.

[Vladimir247]

And in the CIS, no one is responsible for anything? Yes, you read the regulation on the CIS, there are enough mechanisms of pressure on such warriors spelled out. And no one even snorted in time.
Owners, wow. 10 thousand to ditch for what, and this is now called "owners" ...

[alexmach]

Well, how can you be responsible for someone who is "on his own mind"?

[Old tanker]

You tell Pashinyan that he could have agreed to Moscow's proposals earlier.

[voyaka uh]

The real figure. I figured about 2000 killed.
The losses are small for such a war.

[RUSS]

Quote: voyaka uh

The real figure. I figured about 2000 killed.
The losses are small for such a war.

There MLRS and long-range artillery hollowed from morning to night, not counting the drones

[voyaka uh]

Yes, the Armenian artillery and MLRS managed to shoot the first few days.
For the first two days, the Azerbaijani army knocked out tanks from the air, then tightly took up air defense.
And only a week later, approximately, they began to smash the artillery.

[Otshelnik]

Real BUT minus amateurs you won't prove it)

[Vladimir247]

How did you estimate? Is it possible in more detail? And about small losses ... did you teach arithmetic at school? Here, take, and divide your losses, on both sides, into 40 days of conflict, and our 7-8 million in the Second World War, into 4 years of war. And compare how much a day we lost then and how much now.
Pysy: Azerbaijan and Armenia are our country. No one has yet been honored to cancel the 91st referendum.

[voyaka uh]

"Pysy: Azerbaijan and Armenia are our country" ///
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Who would doubt that!
The whole globe is United Russia, but not all the inhabitants of the Earth still know about it.

[alexmach]

The whole globe is United Russia, but not all the inhabitants of the Earth still know about it. yes

But this is their problem :)

[Vladimir247]

Warrior uh.
----- 'Do you have any complaints about the expression of the will of the peoples of the USSR in 1991? And what, if not a secret?

[Lord of the Sith]

A small figure. Ravshan or Dzhamshut said, judging by the Ave))

Will they kill your loved one, will it be a large or not very figure?

[Alexander Terentyev]

First, they celebrated the "victory" by waving flags, and then they began to count the dead ...
Was it worth starting? What did the "conquered" land of Karabakh give to Aliyev? And the residents of Azerbaijan? And what about the fallen soldiers?
.......

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Terentyev

First, they celebrated the "victory" by waving flags, and then they began to count the dead ...
Was it worth starting? What did the "conquered" land of Karabakh give to Aliyev? And the residents of Azerbaijan? And what about the fallen soldiers?
.......

Do you have strange questions? Azerbaijan has returned its lands, refugees are returning, a land corridor to Nakhachivan has been opened, etc.

[Toby Dammit]

You have an interesting position in life.

[Otshelnik]

Homeland, honor, dignity ..... familiar?

[Dimide]

It's common practice to underestimate your losses

[maxim k.]

5000 on both sides in a month and a half. Hmm .... Tin.

[Kuroneko]

And by the way, is Pashinyan the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in Armenia?

[orionvitt]

2783 servicemen were killed in World War II

Wow, they call it "patriotic war".

[noxange]

why can't it be called the Patriotic War?

[orionvitt]

The scale is not the same. However, what peoples, such and wars. But there is enough ambition for all of humanity. This is if you communicated with representatives of these peoples.

[noxange]

Mmm, first of all there is no word "Great" in the title, if we talk about scale, ambition, etc. Do not take this as an encroachment or belittling the scale of the Second World War. Secondly, I am writing from Baku, so everything is fine with communication)

[orionvitt]

Quote: noxange

Secondly, I am writing from Baku, so everything is fine with communication.

Well, okay. And how are you satisfied with the "ruins of the Reichstag"?

[noxange]

We are glad that justice has finally triumphed. All the fallen - eternal memory, family and friends of patience. I am infinitely sorry for those who could live but died. What else can you say. It's a pity that you can't rewind time back to 87th and shoot everyone who made this mess ..

[zenion]

Nice expression: exchange of bodies and prisoners. Usually those who do not understand anything write the exchange of the killed.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: orionvitt

The scale is not the same. However, what peoples, such and wars. But there is enough ambition for all of humanity. This is if you communicated with representatives of these peoples.

It's just that the "Women are giving birth to more" approach to military operations, coupled with the "Wall of Meat" military strategy, are irrelevant in our time, and even more so, dangerous. Or do you definitely need hundreds of thousands or millions of people killed, without this greatness does not work?

[iouris]

The brothers were completely frozen. The Civil War was called patriotic. Patriotic war of the Turkish nation with whom?

[fa2998]

Probably with the numbers "worked". The usual losses of the killed-wounded pr. 1/3. Here the statistics are opposite to pr. 2,5/1. Wounded should be pr. 9 thousand, by the number of irrecoverable.

[iouris]

Lies - blatant lies - statistics.
It is known that most of all lies after the war and after fishing.
By the way, I wonder what the national and social composition of the victims is. I now feel that the "golden youth", the "elite of Azerbaijan" are fighting on this site.

[Avior]

Aliyev's son served urgently
I don't know if this is an indicator or not

Sworn in

[SERGOL]

Torn off the tongue

[Bersaglieri]

Terrible losses for "low intensity conflict", however

[Vadim237]

Who said it was a "low" intensity war?

[TermNachTer]

These figures raise strong doubts. Usually, the attackers have 3-4 times more losses than the defenders. Usually there are 2-3 wounded for one killed. Someone, something does not say much

[Krasnodar]

Usually ... Six-day war of 1967 - for 1000 killed Israelis (advancing) 11 thousand killed Egyptians plus about 2000 killed Syrians and Jordanians.
Falklands War - British advance. 260 Britons killed, 650 Argentines.
Desert Storm - 600 dead in the advancing coalition, from 20 thousand killed Iraqi soldiers
Etc.

[DAQ]

These figures raise strong doubts. Usually attackers have 3-4 times more losses than defenders

We remember a desert storm in 1991: the total losses of the United States were about 300, losses in battle were 147, the loss of the entire UN group was about 600, I don’t remember exactly. Iraq's losses are 100 times greater. There are numbers from 80.000. Plus civilians.
All other things being equal, yes, the loss of the advancing 3 to 1, so it was previously estimated.
But here it was not on an equal footing. But there is no talk of total superiority as in a "desert storm".
So it may well be.
At the expense of the wounded, the figure raises questions.
But given that no one was taken prisoner there, 300- × were often finished off, then perhaps the figure is close to the truth.

[TermNachTer]

Do not compare warm to soft)))) all NATO is against Iraq - they should not have had any losses at all.

[APASUS]

Information war in action to the last. I think the losses are an order of magnitude greater, but such information will not be provided from any country of the conflict. Surely the official authorities did not take into account the losses of mercenaries, volunteers, but these may be completely different figures

[denplot]

This is the destruction of the USSR 30 years later. So many victims in 1,5 months.

[TatarinSSSR]

Honestly, huge human losses on both sides .... It's just wild, 21st century, civilized countries ................

[Azimuth]

Whistling about their losses. When deploying such a number of troops, and even mobilization, only in road accidents, drunkenness, careless handling of weapons, fights, etc., up to three hundred die.

Apparently, losses include only those who have bullet and shrapnel wounds, etc., the rest, under various sauces, were attributed to non-combat losses.

[kill the fascist]

Given the short duration of the conflict, the figures are not small, especially considering that the conflict is still local. This is the difference in hostilities when there is a war between regular armies, albeit with some technical superiority of one of the parties to the conflict, and an army with partisan formations.