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Ukrainian delegation to TCG: Russia prepares to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR

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Ukrainian delegation to TCG: Russia prepares to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR

After negotiations between the Russian Federation and representatives of the Donbass republics, the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group (TCG) concluded that Russia is preparing to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR. They considered it a sign that a referendum could be held in the "occupied" territories, which would determine the legal status of the republics.


The Ukrainian delegation to the TCG published this information on its official Facebook page.

The Russian Federation is trying to legitimize its puppet formations by attracting them to the highest international platforms, including the UN, and by holding a pseudo-referendum.

- says the publication.

At the same time, according to the representatives of Ukraine, Moscow casts doubt on the expediency of negotiations in the Normandy format, considering a more rational format, in which Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk would become participants.

Kiev suspects that the Kremlin is ready to go further:

Russia was unable to put pressure on Ukraine and now intends to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR unilaterally.

Apparently, Moscow needs to listen more often to the words coming from Kiev. After all, one can hear quite sensible thoughts from the Ukrainian representatives. For example, why is the idea of ​​direct negotiations between Kiev and the Donbass republics bad? The recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR would also be a good decision.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 3 December 2020 14: 50
    +20
    For example, why is the idea of ​​direct negotiations between Kiev and the Donbass republics bad?

    This is not an idea for a long time.
    It has been one of the main requirements since the age of 14 - to put Kiev DPR and LPR at the negotiating table.
    Kiev chose war instead of negotiations.

    How quickly some people forget events.
    Where is the author from?
    Has it fallen from the moon?
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 3 December 2020 15: 24
      +21
      Ukrainian delegation to TCG: Russia prepares to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR
      It is high time. No matter how hard you pull the rubber, it is still clear that the republics and Banderstadt are not organically, naturally compatible.
      We must admit, and so that Ukraine understands that there is nothing to do in the part of Donbass that it has captured and it is time for it to go home - to the banks of the Dnieper and the Western Bug.
      Or even further away ...
    2. Vladimir247
      Vladimir247 3 December 2020 15: 41
      +1
      All this, as they say, is a dead poultice. No, of course you need to admit, the question has long been overripe, but what's next? Transnistria for "marriageable" ... recognition is necessary again. Well, or take it. And what to do? Play endlessly in the game? Dead end wherever you look.
      And there is only one way out. It is necessary to enter the legal legal field. The basis is the results of the national referendum of 1991.
      For today's ilitam, it is, of course, like one sharp object, in tender places, but ... but what else is there? This immediately gives us a legal basis. There is nothing above this referendum, it has already been discussed hundreds of times. The main thing is that we recognize the supremacy of the laws of the USSR.
      And the rest will catch up.
      Otherwise, it turns out that we are slowly, little by little, on the sly, pulled into a confrontation that we cannot pull, simply economically. And in all other aspects, too, do not pull. And in the end, everything will happen as with Armenia. And then in the Kremlin they will use their pens ... well, it just so happened ... recourse
    3. boris epstein
      boris epstein 3 December 2020 15: 49
      +4
      Now Kiev distorts the cards. Instead of real representatives, the LDNR is trying to substitute the Great-Ukrainian immigrants who escaped from the LDNR for negotiations.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 3 December 2020 17: 18
        +2
        This was the performance of real representatives, that's why Kiev raised a howl
    4. K-612-O
      K-612-O 3 December 2020 16: 08
      -3
      The whole statement is stream of consciousness, drooling, hydrocyphalus.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 3 December 2020 14: 50
    +1
    Apparently, Moscow needs to listen more often to the words coming from Kiev. After all, one can hear quite sensible thoughts from the Ukrainian representatives. For example, why is the idea of ​​direct negotiations between Kiev and the Donbass republics bad? The recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR would also be a good decision.

    Of course good .. but too late. Better late than never, though.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 3 December 2020 15: 04
      +19
      recognition within the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of the Ukrainian SSR .......................................... .......................................
      with a modest statement - we will support the liberation of the territory of the region from Bandera
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 4 December 2020 07: 41
        +1
        at least "hands" - just not to the Kokhlostan paradise ...................................
        are you writing from paradise?
  3. keeper03
    keeper03 3 December 2020 14: 50
    +14
    A referendum on joining Russia and nothing else !!! soldier
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 3 December 2020 15: 29
      -6
      I'm not sure if the LDNR needed it. Otherwise they would have done it long ago.
  4. Cowbra
    Cowbra 3 December 2020 14: 56
    +5
    "You already got everyone - that's why!" - "Dogma"
    Already after, following the US Senate, even Britain recognized that whole regiments of fascists serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for example, Azov, your business is veal, "all over the world"
  5. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 December 2020 14: 56
    +9
    It is high time. States have been built.
  6. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 3 December 2020 14: 57
    +9
    Before joining Russia, Donbass, as self-proclaimed republics, has the right to request military assistance from the Russian Federation. I am sure that the Kremlin will not refuse them. That's when, ,, VELYKIE Ukrainians ,, even to breathe in the direction of Donbass, will be afraid.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 December 2020 15: 41
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      as self-proclaimed republics, has the right to request military assistance from the Russian Federation. I am sure that the Kremlin will not refuse them.

      You are a naive person! The Kremlin could long ago have recognized and provided more effective assistance. And so ... you know, Vladimir Kornilov published the book "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic. A Shot Dream". So after many years we have the second volume, only it turned out not in the form of a farce, but in the form of a tragedy.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 3 December 2020 16: 14
        +3
        Elena: I am also a naive person. Only joining will ensure the normal life of citizens. And it will turn out like Abkhazia.
      2. pipetro
        pipetro 3 December 2020 16: 24
        +2
        So what is the naivety? They didn’t recognize it before, now they do. Times change, so does the setting
  7. Roman070280
    Roman070280 3 December 2020 15: 01
    +4
    Do not recognize any independence .. Nonsense ..
    First, it's not that easy ..
    Secondly, the Kremlin doesn't need it ..
    Thirdly, the Kremlin needs just the opposite - that this territory should be part of Ukraine ..
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 December 2020 15: 29
      +2
      I think that this is a purely economic calculation. They think not to pull the buzz if the LPNR is recognized.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 3 December 2020 15: 56
        0
        purely economic
        Not only..

        This is also about "Ukraine in NATO" - an unresolved conflict ..
        And about the open border - beneficial for the Kremlin ..
        Ukraine itself cannot refuse Donbass .. which means it has to somehow "fight" for it ..
        This is such a Trojan horse from the Kremlin to Kiev .. they say - take them for yourself, but on our (Minsk) agreements ..
    2. pyagomail.ru
      pyagomail.ru 3 December 2020 15: 29
      +3
      Before the 2018 FIFA World Cup, Putin publicly warned Ukraine that if you try to stage a provocation, you will lose statehood. I believe that even now they are informed that if anything, Russia will recognize the LPR within the administrative borders of the regions, conclude an agreement with them on military cooperation and ... That's it. And what about the LDNR staying within Ukraine is unrealistic (ask them).
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 3 December 2020 15: 53
        -3
        And what about the LDNR staying within Ukraine is unrealistic (ask them).


        The funny thing is that no one asks them ..
        They were hanged in the form of a yoke in Ukraine, and this is for a long time ..
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 4 December 2020 10: 27
          +3
          Quote: Roman070280
          They were hanged in the form of a yoke in Ukraine, and this is for a long time ..

          belay belay belay
          Like this ??? belay
          It turns out that it was we, Russia, contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine, who introduced ITS troops into the territories of the regions that did not recognize the coup d'etat in Kiev, and started shooting people?

          How are you doing with logic?
      2. Holgerton
        Holgerton 3 December 2020 17: 00
        +3
        Only it became clear long ago that the "loss of statehood" is more of a bluff than any real development of events, since any official military actions of Russia against Ukraine will be presented as aggression against a sovereign state. And the Pentagon is just waiting for this, under the pretext of protecting territorial integrity and at the request of the official and recognized the government will begin a full-fledged deployment of American military facilities, radar stations, and possibly even aviation at airfields, because what do we need, that the Americans need Ukraine to create a kind of buffer. If they feel that Russia wants to change the balance by force in its favor, then they will begin similar active actions, and there, and in the UN, it will be possible to contract other allies for support.
        It makes no sense to threaten Ukraine with "loss of statehood", simply because it is just the same for us not profitable. As long as Ukraine has an unresolved territorial issue, NATO does not shine for them (another thing is that you can always correct the documents), for that, any military actions and recognition of the LDNR, on the contrary, will lead to the cancellation of the Minsk agreements and the loss of the last stopper, which keeps the United States from full-fledged military deployment to the borders of Russia, the Kremlin understands this very well and therefore is trying to push the LPR back into Ukraine on the basis of autonomy rights and with a kind of analogue of the "veto right" to prevent the adoption of pro-Western decisions.
        The LDNR itself, as a territory, is of low value: its industrial potential has been destroyed, most of the mines are flooded, infrastructure and communications are seriously worn out or destroyed, plus a huge number of mines and explosives, and the size of the LDNR is less than half of the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions ...
        In short, the economic potential is near-zero, and the restoration of the region requires billions, if not tens of billions of dollars. In such conditions, the attractiveness of the territory of the LDNR for Ukraine is incomparably lower than the refusal of the LDNR, but in view of the policy and the "preservation of sovereignty" and the continuation of our expenses to support the LDNR, neither they themselves, much less their owners, can say no.
        Therefore, everything is as it is, everyone is trying to tug the scales in their favor.
  8. Victorio
    Victorio 3 December 2020 15: 05
    +3
    It's high time to admit.
  9. Fungus
    Fungus 3 December 2020 15: 06
    -2
    We will definitely admit it. It's a matter of time.
  10. Dimide
    Dimide 3 December 2020 15: 33
    -2
    Brad.Putin has repeatedly stated that the LDNR is Ukraine. And only as part of Ukraine they are needed by the Russian Federation for "pushing and correcting" both external and internal political decisions. All other talk in favor of the poor
  11. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 3 December 2020 15: 35
    0
    Quote: Temples
    For example, why is the idea of ​​direct negotiations between Kiev and the Donbass republics bad?

    This is not an idea for a long time.
    It has been one of the main requirements since the age of 14 - to put Kiev DPR and LPR at the negotiating table.
    Kiev chose war instead of negotiations.

    How quickly some people forget events.
    Where is the author from?
    Has it fallen from the moon?


    I wonder who gave you a minus? Representative of Kiev or DPR and LPR?
  12. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 December 2020 15: 39
    -1
    Independence will not save the republic. It must be admitted to the RF. But that won't happen.
  13. askort154
    askort154 3 December 2020 15: 41
    +4
    Kiev suspects that the Kremlin is ready to go further:

    In my opinion, the Kremlin should have initially - "take the bull by the horns" in relation to the post-Soviet territories and world outrage. Russia proclaimed itself the successor of the USSR. Fulfilled all legal and economic requirements stipulated for this status. The UN has officially recognized this. Even the Anglo-Saxons accepted this. Based on all this,
    what claims can there be against Russia and the regions (former republics of the USSR) if they mutually decide to reunite with the successor of the USSR-Russia.
    We have a very weak legal base at the international level. We are losing practically all international legal proceedings. And we humbly bow before their pressure on us. We constantly hang out in the zone - excuses, or expressions of concern. We even forgot the phrase -
    "mirror response". Even at the level of civil rights, we are inactive. The United States brazenly jails Russian citizens for any reason, we "boldly protest" only in our media. Do we have no foreign residents who can be arrested in response to their arrogance ?! So, it is enough to "huddle". We have an alphabet
    decent behavior at the international level - the history of the USSR.
    It's time for the country to be ruled not by "oligarchs and elite", but by the rigid legal and political structure of the Russian state.
  14. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 3 December 2020 15: 48
    -3
    And Ukraine is a puppet formation of the USA. So you can roll with your inferences ...
  15. sleeve
    sleeve 3 December 2020 15: 57
    -1
    What is this opus? Where did the last paragraph come from? Or is it just a typo and you need to read the Kremlin instead of Kiev and vice versa?
  16. 23424636
    23424636 3 December 2020 16: 00
    +2
    article inverted and paraphrased It is surprising that there are no specialists in VO to determine the false essence of this libel. Common thoughts from Ukraine are dancing around a tambourine, to regain control of the border by any means, and then we will hang all of them (Donetsk) (Filatov mayor of Dnipro) .Then Crimea will be forgotten and given green, as Macedonia was pulled into NATO. Named it in the North.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      3 December 2020 19: 49
      +1
      Whoever wanted to have sound thoughts understood. Kiev accuses Russia of "insidious plans", which, unfortunately, it does not have. And if they did, they would become an excellent roadmap for solving the Donbas problem.

      Moscow, unfortunately, has not dared to recognize the Republic for seven years. Needless to say, the Kremlin does not want trouble from the West. Problems will be in any case, even though they admit it, though not.

      What Kiev accuses Russia of should be listened to carefully, recorded and performed, and not constantly justified. They say that there are Russian troops in the Donbass, which means they must appear there, and on a legal basis. And the legal basis will be if they are invited by the legitimate government of the DPR and LPR recognized by the Kremlin. And then there will be peace and quiet. So, they did this with Abkhazia, so now Tbilisi is even afraid to breathe in its direction.

      And the negotiations should be direct, and not like now, when Kiev communicates with Donetsk through "translators". There is no sense in these negotiations between Moscow, Kiev, Berlin and Paris. Still, they invited Myanmar and Zimbabwe to this "group" of Uruguay, they would decide everything at once.

      So I say - good ideas in Kiev suggest when Moscow is accused. It is a pity that these accusations are false.
  17. kit88
    kit88 3 December 2020 16: 02
    +9
    Until Kiev is liberated, the problem will not be solved.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 3 December 2020 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: kit88
      Until Kiev is liberated, the problem will not be solved.

      The only correct thought of all the article debaters!
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 December 2020 16: 50
    +1
    including the UN, and by holding a pseudo-referendum.
    Your 404 in general in 91m without a referendum was artificially created.
  19. altimo1
    altimo1 3 December 2020 17: 43
    +1
    In general, what can you negotiate with the puppets - the former "Ukraine"? It is necessary to speak either with their masters - the Anglo-Zionists, who are not very negotiable, or generally do what we know. But apparently the time has not yet come for the latter.
  20. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 December 2020 18: 05
    0
    The Skakuas blurted out: "The Russian Federation is trying to legitimize its puppet formations by attracting them to the highest international platforms, including the UN, and by holding a pseudo-referendum."
    If you look at the Minsk agreements, which are many years old, you will find that the same thing is written there, just in other words. That is, the ukrofascists once again refuse to fulfill the requirements of the very Minsk agreements. Isn't it time to carry out a serious denazification on the territory of Little Russia?
  21. spectr
    spectr 3 December 2020 18: 26
    0
    Rather, a throw-in to check Russia's reaction and assess the possibility of its intervention if the Azerbaijani scenario of military operations is used against the LPR and DPR.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 3 December 2020 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: spectr
      to test Russia's reaction and assess the possibility of its intervention if the Azerbaijani scenario of military operations is used against the LPR and DPR.

      Watching, listening ..:




      repeat
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 3 December 2020 20: 29
    -2
    I cannot understand these maneuvers of our authorities with Donbass. We could curtail trade with Ukraine in a couple of days and there will be a collapse, and already with the new authorities try to talk from scratch. Ukraine, by volume of trade relations
  23. Tank hard
    Tank hard 3 December 2020 21: 49
    +1
    Russia is preparing to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR

    Well, very good. good
  24. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 3 December 2020 22: 32
    +15
    Ukraine would be more attentive to watch Transcarpathia, otherwise trouble will come from where they did not expect.
  25. Kara
    Kara 3 December 2020 22: 51
    +14
    After all, no one will remove sanctions for Crimea anyway ... Donbass can be annexed, nothing will change from this.
  26. asr55
    asr55 21 December 2020 10: 44
    0
    All this will end once and for all, if Ukraine launches a full-scale offensive on the LPNR, Putin will show a strong-willed decision and protect Donbass. There will be screeching, sanctions, etc., but Ukraine will lose part of its territories to the Crimea, and the LPNR will become part of Russia. This should have been done a long time ago, but even now it is not too late. And the shelling of the civilian population will end because of the fear of retaliatory actions and from Russia directly. And if you chew snot, the current situation with shelling of civilians, their daily death, constant military conflicts will be in a sluggishly active form endlessly. It is necessary to fundamentally solve this situation.