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Sorry, the test is negative! The first experience of an uninfected SARS-CoV-2

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Thank you instead of "sorry"



A few days ago, a journalistic success, rare for the fall of 2020, fell - without any problems they were accredited for a big get-together, which will be held on Friday. And not online, but in normal format.

A forum on the topic of defense industry, in the capital, with the participation of foreigners, and not only from the near abroad, and therefore one problem still arose.

At present, the problem is on duty - it was necessary to urgently provide the organizers with a negative test for Covid-19. Moreover, it was done not earlier than 48 hours before the big collection.

Is it worth explaining that 99 percent of the participants and media representatives at the forum could not have one by definition. It would seem that the only way out is a paid test?

But for more than two thousand - to the conference, and even certainly without a buffet table. No, sorry. However, in reality, everything turned out to be simpler and more honest. An express test, moreover free, could be taken at the venue of the event exactly two days before it.

The organizers were not stingy to invest in the work of a special team of doctors, which, as the author himself was able to see, quickly and accurately did its job. Questionnaire, smear, wait for an answer.

The answer is negative


There are tests that are awaited with hope, like the legendary "two stripes" - a pregnancy test. And there are tests, the expectation of the result of which causes not even anxiety, but real fear. I think I am by no means alone in this attitude towards the test for the notorious "nineteenth" Covid.

Sorry, the test is negative! The first experience of an uninfected SARS-CoV-2

Sorry for the almost complete repetition of the title - in this case, it was difficult to expect more gift than a negative answer. After all, doubts and fears, by no means minimal, were still there. The only pity is that a negative test for Covid-19 is not for long, or rather, only once.

Nevertheless, such a response became the strongest incentive to take up the pen. But all the enthusiasm and reflections of the optimist immediately ran into the inner voice, as usual - pessimistic.

It is clear that in expectation of a positive effect from the open forum, several million rubles can be sacrificed to domestic medicine. Moreover, she deserved it. Or is it just me?


Yes, in comparison with organizational and transportation costs, the cost of testing even two thousand participants and journalists is a mere trifle. But this trifle is already, by all indications, put on the stream, or rather, on a sort of business conveyor.

As well as masks and other "protective" utensils, which, judging by the positive reports of the authorities at all levels and the now omnipotent Rospotrebnadzor, has fallen in price almost threefold. But this only means that the rate of return from 1000 percent, obtained at the start of the pandemic, has now dropped to 300.

And this is with an increase in sales volumes at least ten times. Readers can accuse me as much as they like of black envy of successful entrepreneurs "from a pandemic".

And they will be absolutely right. I envy, although I just can't understand - they somehow realize that it is impossible to build their own little paradise in a huge coronavirus hell.

Hellish torment


I will not enumerate here those who suffered the most from restrictive measures - and without me everyone knows everything. It is hardly worth mentioning the beneficiaries - those who now profit from the pandemic like no one else. A negative test gives a reason to talk about medicine and doctors.

The rank and file, doctors and nurses, were simply driven onto a deadly conveyor belt, realizing that the overwhelming majority of them would not even try to figure out something.

It is said: "it is necessary", we answer - "is." And someone just hopes to earn extra money, even if not as much as they promised during the first wave.

Statistics ruthlessly record the highest percentage of deaths just where the virus immediately finds the maximum potential victims. That is, in medical institutions and among the doctors themselves.


Source: Mos.ru

But is it necessary to repeat over and over again that people in white coats are now simply a total lack of oxygen. But this is a powerful blow to immunity, with which little else can compare.

However, the borders of hell have long gone beyond the hospital gates and are spreading more and more every day. Moreover, they are distributed by the efforts of the authorities of almost all levels and all countries. Not excluding China and its neighbors, who have gone into a coronavirus underground that both Ilyich and Mao could envy.

Get tested


As far as foreign experience is concerned, the first thing that catches the eye is the "covid-dissidence" of little Austria, where they are not going to hang locks on their ski resorts. Or a direct opposition to Hungary, it seems, is already ready to acquire the Russian Sputnik-V, no matter how criticized it is.

And the devilish (this is in hell) games of the Western media with numbers are frankly straining. Please note that the death rate from SARS-CoV-2 in the second wave does not exceed the rates of the first pandemic offensive. But now there are much more infected people, at least in four large countries of Europe and the United States.

This data, of course, can be looked at in the same way as the leading Western media do, of course, from the top. If the incidence rate has increased, but the mortality rate has not increased, it means that the treatment has become better. Although the vaccine in any of its forms is still only on the doorstep.

But after all, everything can be regarded in a completely different way, as is done by all covid dissidents, supposedly few in number, but retaining at least the remnants of common sense.

The number of infected people increased only because there were many times more testing, that is, testing! At times, but somewhere in tens and even hundreds of times! So I certainly did not plan to get tested - but I had to.

However, with the mortality rate, the compilers of the reports simply do not succeed - well, the public does not want to die so actively from Covid-19 anymore. Even sacred sacrifices and recording everything that is even a little close to the coronavirus does not help.

Don't shoot the pandemist


However, the answer from the "pandemists" is already at the ready - too many have already died out, and many have already developed antibodies. The other day, the mayor of the capital Sobyanin said that 50 percent of Muscovites have immunity to the newfangled infection, but either stable, or quite the opposite:

Research in Moscow shows that about 50 percent of our population already has an immune response to coronavirus: cellular immunity, antibodies, and so on ... are already more or less protected from coronavirus.

What research has been carried out, and who prompted the almighty mayor such data - one can only guess, although statistically it is now easy to substantiate anything. It's much harder to believe, especially since in the summer Sergei Semyonovich counted only 20 percent of Muscovites with immunity.


Source: kremlin.ru

Then, in the editorial office of Komsomolskaya Pravda, the mayor not only stated that there would be no autumn wave of Covid-19, but also cited some data from the fourth stage of the study of population immunity. They, according to Sobyanin, "testified that more than 20 percent of Muscovites already have antibodies to coronavirus."

As you can see, it was said about these 20 percent even more floridly than about 50. But how, in a matter of months, another 30 percent of the population managed to acquire immunity, it is not at all clear.

Breathe deeply ...


In addition to the right to breathe freely, people have now been deprived of another essential right - to move freely. Each of the non-Moscow summit participants has their own small история arrival, but that's not about that.

If only we were talking about the borders between countries. Inside this or that state, the devil is also going on. And Russia, which, in fact, is now clearly among the laggards in terms of bureaucratic stupidity, alas, is no exception.

So, right before the holidays, many large enterprises, and not only Moscow ones, are already preparing to introduce something like truly draconian measures. Let me draw the attention of readers that these are not offices, at these factories and in research institutes, to fulfill the recommended 30 percent standard from working at a distance, simply colossal efforts are needed.

Yes, not everything can be shoved into a computer. And it is there that they plan to oblige employees, many of whom will disperse to relatives and friends, often to other regions, to sit in quarantine after that or to take express tests.

Not all employers are ready to pay for these tests, as the organizers of the forum did, where I was lucky to be accredited. But after all, according to this logic, employees leaving for the periphery may turn out to be carriers of infection throughout the country.


Source: Eneas De Troya, flickr.com

In Moscow, as, by the way, in many large cities, the rates of "infection" and "mortality" from damn Covid-19 are almost the highest in the country. So isn't it better to pass the tests at all on departure?

I will note from myself sarcastically that those very high metropolitan rates of "infection" and "mortality" are nothing more than a direct result of a much wider coverage of the population with the notorious tests and a more massive target (regarding SARS-CoV-2) hospitalization.

Well, SARS-CoV-2 itself is nothing more than a very dangerous, but hardly really the most dangerous type of flu. Which is known to be still invincible. So what now, "always be in the mask"? Well then, problems with immunity are guaranteed to all 100 percent of the world's population.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 6 December 2020 15: 05
    -3
    I still don't understand why the author is dissatisfied? What test is free done? This is what I do for money - regularly. request
    Well, to call the crown - a kind of flu, not at all from a great mind. Article - negative
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 December 2020 15: 19
      +17
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I still don't understand why the author is dissatisfied? What test is free done? This is what I do for money - regularly.

      I also did not understand what the author wanted to say.
      Well, to call the crown - a kind of flu, not at all from a great mind. Article - negative

      Corona is also a viral disease and, according to statistics, the mortality rate is approximately the same .. in this case, the author clearly expressed himself.
      If we had Soviet medicine, we would not have noticed this byaki .. The Chinese reacted exactly in the Soviet style and they have a wonderful result .. Which, I must say, speaks of the controllability of the state in times of crisis. Controllability there, at a high level .. we have no controllability at all, everything is left to chance ..
      Which suggests that the state, in the event of a serious cataclysm ... will simply be eliminated ...
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 December 2020 15: 34
        +14
        Quote: Svarog
        If we had Soviet medicine, we would not have noticed this byaki .. The Chinese reacted in the Soviet style and they have a wonderful result

        In China, not only the Soviet one - but even modern Russian medicine (no matter how bad it is) is not even in sight. There, more or less massive free medical care is available only in some large cities for certain categories of citizens (and even then for the last few years). The rest (the overwhelming majority of Chinese) are "treated" by bats according to the behest of their ancestors. They rushed to build prefabricated hospitals in Wuhan after the outbreak of covid precisely because there were no ordinary hospitals at all.

        And how do you know what the real result is in China? The Chinese authorities have tightly closed access to the topic of coponovirus for all curious people. Now the world about the coronavirus in China knows only what the PRC authorities themselves want to tell him. Do you think they will tell you something bad about themselves? So far, we can only say more or less firmly that the Chinese have coped well with the creation of an electronic concentration camp on the subject of covid, which additionally contributed to the filtration of information outgoing outside. But what does medicine have to do with it? Yes, and the Soviet one.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 6 December 2020 15: 43
          +9
          Confirmation of your words - I am !!! 11 (or 12) times have been to China, China is completely different - there are more Homeless people than the entire population of Russia.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 6 December 2020 15: 55
          +10
          In China, not only the Soviet one - but even modern Russian medicine (no matter how bad it is) is not even in sight

          In this case, it's not about medicine .. it's a consequence .. it's about prevention and mobilization, the ability to respond to challenges .. The speed with which the Chinese build clinics is amazing, as well as discipline.
          But if you are comparing our medicine, then objectively, it has become equal to the Chinese. But there are also tendencies, a vector in China for the growth of quality and mass production, we have the opposite.
          Have you tried getting a free CT pass? In general, for any examination or a narrow specialist? 5 years ago, I lived in Moscow, there were no problems with it ... but in the regions it is not real.
          In other words, we only have a free visit to a therapist .. but the therapist will tell you (without taking a single analysis) the same thing as the Internet ..
          At our work, an employee recently, a child broke his leg, went to the trauma center, the doctor said a bruise .. and the child was safely sent to kindergarten .. but the leg was swollen the next day and turned blue .. again to the injuries point .. it turned out to be a fracture, the child two days passed with him .. Everyone was stunned by this story .. and then my brother throws off a photo of me, they say he fell, his leg is swollen, I tell him, go take a picture .. after much persuasion he went, they said stretching .. Three days later, the leg turned blue and swollen .. it turned out to be an ankle fracture ..
          In short, we don't have any paid medicine either.
          1. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 6 December 2020 16: 30
            +13
            Quote: Svarog
            In short, we don't have any paid medicine either.

            I had to run around the hospitals here recently, medicine is really scary.
            My brother's wife fell ill (a doctor, by the way)). They made an analysis and sent him to sick leave. And then the first surprise, the analysis for covid is done for 5 days. For 5 days you can get sick and infect everyone you can. After 5 days, the analysis comes: -positive. A doctor comes in, rewrites everyone who has contacted her over the past 5 days, and everyone is quarantined, including me. I go to the hospital, I say I have a job, do an analysis so that I would not be in prison for two weeks. There are two unexpected, the analysis is done only for those who have symptoms, no symptoms - no analysis, if you want to go do it at your own expense 2000 (do a day)). What surprised me at the hospitals was the huge queues to all the doctors, as they explained to me there were practically no doctors, they were taking a couple of hours, everyone was fighting covid. Well, in short, I stayed at home for two weeks, even though I got sick leave, by the way I stood in line for him for 3 hours, the people were dark ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 41
              +5
              Quote: Ramzaj99
              analysis for covid is done 5 days

              by technology - 1 day!
              1. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 6 December 2020 17: 15
                +15
                Quote: Silvestr
                by technology - 1 day!

                Putin even said on TV that 3 days for the analysis is a long time, it takes two. But in fact, five. What a day, I beg you, we have a lot of things written, only nichrome is not being performed ...
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 6 December 2020 17: 31
                  -3
                  Quote: Ramzaj99
                  What a day, I beg you, we have a lot of things written, only nichrome is not being performed ...

                  listen, I work on this system and I do it every day. Tested on myself, relatives, the mass of patients. 10 minutes for an express test, a blood test from a vein for immunoglobulins takes 2 hours, together with the delivery and mass loading of the analyzer (no one will drive an expensive analyzer for 1 sample) - 7-10 hours, PCR - 1 day.
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 6 December 2020 17: 42
                    +3
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    listen, I work on this system and I do it every day.

                    ====
                    and if the virus starts or has already begun to mutate? Will the vaccine work anyway? influenza vaccines are different, for each mutant or not?
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 6 December 2020 19: 55
                      +5
                      Quote: Victorio
                      and if the virus starts or has already begun to mutate?

                      that's exactly what happens
                      Quote: Victorio
                      Will the vaccine work anyway?

                      no
                      1. Salty
                        Salty 6 December 2020 19: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: Victorio
                        and if the virus starts or has already begun to mutate?

                        that's exactly what happens
                        Quote: Victorio
                        Will the vaccine work anyway?

                        no

                        I love pessimists, I myself am the same)))
                      2. Victorio
                        Victorio 6 December 2020 22: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: Victorio
                        and if the virus starts or has already begun to mutate?

                        that's exactly what happens
                        Quote: Victorio
                        Will the vaccine work anyway?

                        no

                        ===
                        thanks, let's hope for the best
                    2. Simargl
                      Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Victorio
                      already started to mutate?
                      I've already started. More precisely - it mutates constantly, but strains have appeared that neutralize the presence of vaccination.
                  2. antivirus
                    antivirus 6 December 2020 19: 59
                    -1
                    I envy - I'm happy and mute, and only not much envy those ...

                    Regarding the level of medicine, the entire system in a separate hospital-polyclinic should be ground in several years before Kovid19, adjusted + allocate targeted funds for Kovid.
                    otherwise collapse (slipping), stupid queues about which other people are talking.

                    there is no end-to-end subordination and funding from minister to therapist. there is reporting
                2. Van 16
                  Van 16 6 December 2020 19: 23
                  +8
                  "by technology - 1 day"
                  In terms of technology, yes. How about the organization? For me personally, the result came either on the seventh or on the eighth day. hi
                  1. Salty
                    Salty 6 December 2020 19: 59
                    -3
                    Quote: Van 16
                    For me personally, the result came either on the seventh or on the eighth day

                    When it was? Now - exactly two days, and SMS comes with the result. Show? I have a couple already)
                    1. Van 16
                      Van 16 6 December 2020 20: 26
                      +3
                      In August. 11 got into "contact", 13 passed the test, the result was either 20 or 21.
                      In October my wife had the same, about seven days.
                      No need to show it, I believe you. Most likely it depends on the cities where and how.
                      1. Salty
                        Salty 6 December 2020 20: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: Van 16
                        Most likely it depends on the cities, where and how

                        Moscow region. Here the decrees of the Chief work faster.
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 7 December 2020 08: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: SaltY
                      When it was?

                      There were five days in August. I have at least.
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 6 December 2020 18: 08
                +9
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                analysis for covid is done 5 days

                by technology - 1 day!

                Aha laughing The daughter is a virologist of the URO RAS, 3 weeks after the laboratory was tested for covid, there is no result. wassat This is despite the fact that 1 has already died, and 2 are hospitalized. They just sent everyone to the "remote location" - everyone stays at home and gets paid. This is technology! laughing
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 6 December 2020 16: 04
          +36
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          In China, not just the Soviet one, but even modern Russian medicine (no matter how bad it is) is not even in sight.

          while Lukashenka was treated for a stroke by Chinese doctors, he refused Russian
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 7 December 2020 10: 16
            +2
            Quote: Overlock
            Lukashenka was treated for stroke by Chinese doctors

            Social stratification in a "socially just" state. To the top - medicine, to the masses - bats. Luka, in his own way, fell from the bounty of the PRC elite.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 20
            +2
            Quote: Overlock
            Lukashenka was treated for stroke by Chinese doctors
            "Gold Star"?

            Quote: Overlock
            he refused Russian
            He already has alcohol.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 December 2020 02: 10
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              Gold star

              She is Vietnamese)
              Thanks for reminding me. I don't know if she really helped with anything, but I have the fondest memories of this drug. I have to buy it, otherwise I won't forget about it for another 20 years.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 11 December 2020 19: 11
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Thank you for reminding me.
                Vaseline with tea tree oil, mostly. Or do you think that something very cunning was pushed there? Unlikely.
                Go to a sensible aroma oil: he will give literature and tell you what (how to heal a fracture with a couple of drops, protect yourself from covidla, attract money, etc.)
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 December 2020 04: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Go to a sensible aroma oil

                  My ailment, in this case, can only be treated with an asterisk. For this disease is called - nostalgia)
        4. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 6 December 2020 16: 20
          +8
          Medicine has nothing to do with it.

          Personally, I'm tired of covid hysteria, of all these endless reports.

          I am also tired because I sense lies in propaganda. Under the guise of the coronavirus, a fish is caught in troubled waters.

          And - I did not receive an answer to the question: why is only covid diagnosed? Forgot about the flu, about ARVI, about other viruses.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 37
            +10
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            Personally, I'm tired of covid hysteria, of all these endless reports.

            everyone is tired. If only they knew how tired the doctors were! I remember the appearance of the first covid in the department - noise, panic, the chief calls - all contacts for testing. 7 months have passed: covid - as a matter of course, we are testing on time or at will. We can safely say that barriers in the form of tests work partially, covid ones penetrate the hospital and this is revealed after a few days.
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            Under the guise of the coronavirus, a fish is caught in troubled waters.

            not a fish, but money. And recently, the solution of political problems.
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            Why is only covid diagnosed? Forgot about the flu, about ARVI, about other viruses.

            somehow it so happened that in a panic they forgot about the existence of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and other other diseases. Hence the "excess mortality".
            1. Vladimir247
              Vladimir247 6 December 2020 19: 02
              0
              ...it happened...
              ---------
              Just like in court ... it's not my fault ... laughing
              Recently Igor Gundarov, a professor of the Russian Academy of Sciences, spoke well about coronavirus on the first channel.
              The "owners" of the media have played too ... not without reason they say that if God wants to punish a person, he deprives him of his reason. And after all, except as madness, this scam cannot be called.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 6 December 2020 19: 53
                +5
                Quote: Vladimir247
                Just like in court ... it's not my fault ...

                do you think that doctors are to blame for this? Medical victims are just like you. Today 937 doctors died from the coronavirus. They lost their lives for the optimization of healthcare, the mess and the collapse of this industry. How many civilians died, no one knows. Apart from the rank and file of this war, consider the bosses of all levels, which determine the tactics and strategy of waging this war.
                Quote: Vladimir247
                And after all, except as madness, this scam cannot be called.

                this is not a scam, people pay for it with their lives
                1. Vladimir247
                  Vladimir247 6 December 2020 22: 12
                  -6
                  That is, they wrote that 937 doctors died, so everyone died. What about your Russian language? Actually, in such cases, the word died is used. But if you need to add horror ... laughing here yes ... they died - just right.
                  And yet, yes, but who did this optimization for us? Are the komunyaki hidden?
                  And the reformers-democratizers, they have nothing to do with it? wassat
                  You work poorly ... scorch on trifles, white threads stick out all around. ((
                2. Vladimir247
                  Vladimir247 6 December 2020 23: 22
                  -5
                  And further. You say that you are not a scam. But the Chinese are already inviting tourists to Wuhan. TOURISTS, Karl !!!
                  For those who are in the tank, I explain: it is completely safe. And here's how to understand it? One and a half billion China, did it? And nobody else? After all, not masks have cured, right? And what, then, you can't just stupidly copy the Chinese technique?
                  Scam, in its purest form. And they drive her through the deep state media. On the Renminjibao website, such moaning is not observed ... laughing
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 23
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              And recently, the solution of political problems.
              First of all, the covidlo was promoted for this purpose.
              Now it is declining, they are actively looking for a replacement.
              Soon we will run like in "Stalker".
          2. Mitroha
            Mitroha 6 December 2020 17: 21
            +8
            Why is only covid diagnosed? Forgot about the flu, about ARVI, about other viruses.

            Oh, don't make it up. Right now I am lying at home with ARVI, my wife had a sore throat a month ago. The district policeman said so, when she came on call, 99% of you have ARVI, but here is my phone number, for two days if it gets worse or new symptoms appear, call me. Poor fellow, made a note in a notebook, called from the clinic for another call, asked, it turned out 47 per day. Poor girl, how she can handle it.
            1. polar fox
              polar fox 7 December 2020 07: 50
              +2
              Quote: Mitroha
              th, but do not invent. Right now I'm lying at home with ARVI,

              daughter got sick, fever and cough. called a doctor. came, took a smear on covid and - in a couple of days there will be an analysis! nothing else ... in a day everything has passed ... the analysis of the result has not yet been received, only 4 days have passed ... tomorrow to the kindergarten medicine-fire!
          3. My doctor
            My doctor 6 December 2020 17: 36
            +9
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            And - I did not receive an answer to the question: why is only covid diagnosed? Forgot about the flu, about ARVI, about other viruses.

            Covid is more likely to be infected and there is a large list of unclear side effects. For example, I have been sitting at home for a week with right-sided pneumonia, despite the fact that I feel great.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 42
              0
              Quote: MyVrach
              Covid is more likely to be infected and there is a large list of unclear side effects.
              Measles is highly likely to be infected, but covidlo, it seems, only lives in liquid and it is not easy to get infected with it.
              Quote: MyVrach
              despite the fact that the state of health is excellent.
              The rise to the fifth floor will show.
              A month ago, some kind of bullshit happened - I went to the second floor with shortness of breath. Two days. Then he let go. Now the 9th and blown away.
              1. My doctor
                My doctor 8 December 2020 14: 42
                0
                Quote: Simargl
                The rise to the fifth floor will show.
                A month ago, some kind of bullshit happened - I went to the second floor with shortness of breath. Two days. Then he let go. Now the 9th and blown away.

                in fact, I'm on the fifth floor in a panel Khrushchev and live.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 8 December 2020 15: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: MyVrach
                  I am on the fifth floor in a panel Khrushchev and live.
                  I'm worse: I have an elevator.
                  I just decided to enter a new apartment (under construction), and this is the 15th floor. Well, on the 9th he died. Out of habit.
            2. awdrgy
              awdrgy 8 December 2020 14: 15
              0
              That is, if it were not for the doctors and equipment, you would not have found out about it.I have a friend who happened in 2006, and in general, he was bad for about 3 months until he was completely weak and went to the hospital (but it could have been assumed by the symptoms) simply I thought it would pass by itself but did not pass. And what about this asymptomatic they say? It will pass by itself and just scars will remain on the lungs or is it necessary to drink antibu?
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 6 December 2020 15: 37
        0
        Vladimir, here's what to do with you? We started for health - finished for peace ... but is it okay that our death rate from the crown is practically the smallest in the world?
        Viral Diseases - Darkness. The corona cannot be accurately compared with the flu, just look at the statistics.
        Thanks for the minus laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 December 2020 15: 42
          +8
          Quote: Hunter 2
          but nothing that we have the death rate from the crown is practically the smallest in the world

          and where did the 300 population decline?
          Viral Diseases - Darkness. The corona cannot be accurately compared with the flu, just look at the statistics.

          Whose statistics? If ours, then you can't trust her at all. In Tatarstan, especially in the villages, everyone is ill ... but not covid ... the diagnosis of pneumonia ..
          Thanks for minus laughing

          Minus in exceptional cases, or when a person spits out hunger in a "patriotic" stupor, or is rude .. This is not my minus.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 25
            +8
            Quote: Svarog
            If ours, then you can't trust her at all

            As an argument: can you trust Golikova? In my opinion, the answer is obvious
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 03
          +7
          Quote: Hunter 2
          nothing that we have the death rate from the crown is practically the smallest in the world?

          This is how to count. In the world, they count on the number of cases, in our country, on the number of tests. You understand that there are patients and there are infected. In Kommunarka, the official mortality rate is 8,4%. According to WHO, the mortality rate in the world is 1,8%.
          Many deaths in our country are not encrypted as covid and vice versa, as the patient wants. The statistics of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation and the statistics of Rospotrebnadzor no longer coincide by 500000 thousand
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 December 2020 16: 20
          +5
          Quote: Hunter 2
          but nothing that we have the death rate from the crown is practically the smallest in the world?

          Interestingly, why are you doing regular tests for money then? A lot of money, or what?
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 6 December 2020 20: 43
            +6
            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            Interestingly, why are you doing regular tests for money then? A lot of money, or what?

            Yeah, it's just that Chickens don't bite and rabbits in packs refuse to eat.
            My MOM had a stroke in April, paralyzing her. Decent care can only be realized in a special boarding house, where they are accommodated. To at least see each other, you have to take tests, otherwise they will not be allowed.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 December 2020 20: 44
              0
              Quote: Hunter 2
              To at least see each other, you have to take tests, otherwise they will not be allowed.

              Then I'm calling. hi
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Thanks for the minus

          Here's a "+"
        5. Alf
          Alf 6 December 2020 19: 28
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          but nothing that we have the death rate from the crown is practically the smallest in the world?

          OFFICIAL-Yes! And the real one? Remember the story about Rosstat? Someone did not like his indicators and the head of Rosstat was replaced. And, lo and behold, the indicators have changed dramatically.
        6. businessv
          businessv 6 December 2020 20: 40
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The corona cannot be exactly compared with the flu, just look at the statistics.
          What's wrong with the statistics? Here's an example of the flu:
          The epidemic lasted from January 1918 to 1920; worldwide, the Spanish flu infected at least 550 million people (about 30% of the world's population). The number of deaths is estimated from 17 million to 50-100 million people, or 0,9-5,3% of the world's population, which makes this epidemic one of the largest catastrophes in human history. Thus, the mortality rate among the infected was 3-20%.
          What do you say about this? smile
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 6 December 2020 17: 30
        +2
        And I constantly watch the programs of the journalist Pivovarov. A few weeks ago, as an experiment, he got himself a vaccine against the Corona and ... Voila - last Sunday he was broadcasting from his home, so he fell ill with the coronavirus! So the process of enrichment in 300% or there in 1000% continues!))))
        1. Alf
          Alf 6 December 2020 19: 34
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          A few weeks ago, as an experiment, he had himself vaccinated against the Corona and ... Voila - last Sunday he was broadcasting from his home, so he fell ill with the coronavirus!

          Did he meet these conditions?
        2. businessv
          businessv 6 December 2020 20: 34
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          A few weeks ago, as an experiment, he had himself vaccinated against the Corona and ... Voila - last Sunday he was broadcasting from his home, so he fell ill with the coronavirus!

          Here, after all, it still plays an important role, when exactly he was grafted! After all, it takes about a month to develop antibodies! And if he got vaccinated today, tomorrow he stopped worrying about the crown, lost his vigilance, then he was overtaken by the free coronavirus that flew by at that moment!
        3. Simargl
          Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          A few weeks ago, as an experiment, he had himself vaccinated against the Corona and ... Voila - last Sunday he was broadcasting from his home, so he fell ill with the coronavirus!
          As far as I remember, it began to be vaccinated with Sputnik-5, and it is two-component, with a duty cycle of three weeks. Did he think that, like a tetanus, he gave an injection and the next day you can poke around with your cut hands in the ground? You'd better lick the toilet ...
      4. Petrik66
        Petrik66 8 December 2020 09: 47
        0
        The Chinese reacted precisely in the Soviet way. It is important not how many people actually get sick and die, but what they write in the media and how to count. You simply have not been to China, you do not know the real picture: "the welfare of citizens", control over the Internet, "pension" provision, real production in Chinese factories, and not in factories of American and Western European companies, and medicine is a separate issue there. There is no need to repeat about the "Chinese" path that we need to follow, God forbid us to follow it. ...
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 6 December 2020 15: 48
      +6
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I still don't understand what the author is dissatisfied with?
      + So I wrote
      But for more than two thousand - to the conference, and even probably without a buffet.
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 6 December 2020 16: 01
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2

      Well, to call the crown - a kind of flu, not at all from a great mind. Article - negative


      It is a kind of flu.
      Due to the lack of immunity for a similar variety, it is more difficult.

      But not worse than pneumonia.
      Which has a normal mortality rate of 400 cases per million

      According to Rosstat, 2015 thousand people died from pneumonia in 34,7. These are the lowest rates in the last six years.

      And pneumonia has always been.
    4. bar
      bar 6 December 2020 16: 07
      0
      I still don't understand what the author is dissatisfied with?

      Like Vysotsky - "the song is anxiety"
    5. ximkim
      ximkim 6 December 2020 17: 33
      +2
      The fight against the virus in the country is peculiar (as stated in the article). Something like this. yes
    6. Arpad
      Arpad 7 December 2020 19: 27
      0
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Well, to call the crown - a kind of flu, not at all from a great mind.

      Why?
      I was ill with the corona, it was very difficult .... during two weeks of isolation to look for at least some small symptom.
      Have you ever heard of asymptomatic flu?. I no, the flu is not terrible, but everyone if they get sick like this with all the symptoms, but a terrible crown wassat --- 97% are asymptomatic i.e. yes, they do not know that they are sick (and I would not know, nor do we check at work).
      Divorce and bullshit, two weeks sitting at home.
      Oddly enough, no one from the family got infected - has anyone seen such a thing with the flu?
      And so the crown is terrible, worse than Ebola, look and read the media - we all should have died yesterday.
    7. zenion
      zenion 12 December 2020 17: 50
      -1
      Why don't they trust the authorities if antibodies can be freely bought from hands. Anything. You just need to have money, and the necessary antibodies will be found, there is demand, there is supply.
  2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 December 2020 15: 09
    +1
    99 percent of the participants and media representatives at the forum could not have one by definition

    I know a couple / three guys from the "federal TV". All as one do tests at least once a week - just for work purposes. The result is the next morning (as I understand it). Those. tests are taken on the eve of the corresponding event, and in the morning, before leaving, there is already the necessary "piece of paper".
    They rent it either in some polyclinics at work, or by working VHI.
  3. Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 6 December 2020 15: 38
    -13%
    Coronation and covidorisie. The virus has not yet been isolated. Elon Musk did the test 4 times - 2 positive, 2 negative. The opinion of epidemiologists is generally ignored.

    The influence of the media on people is being tested. Until ... the score is not in favor of the people.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 6 December 2020 15: 49
      +9
      Quote: Vladimir247
      Until ... the score is not in people's favor

      The main thing is that there are people like you. Your head is not that the media are not scary, any infa bounces from it like a ball from a brickwork.
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 6 December 2020 18: 46
        -6
        I love when about me, beloved ... laughing
        But that's okay. But what about Trump ... he also does not know who commands the media in the US ... wassat
        So you eat, eat, ... but we have one boat ...))
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 23
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir247
      Coronation and covidorisie.

      Rave. There is a virus, there are many varieties of it. Yesterday there was a message about the isolation of a new strain resistant to the vaccine. Which one is not said
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 6 December 2020 18: 49
        -11%
        You, tovarisch, Troll, before you write, tell us who, where, and when isolated this virus. Well, about Elon Musk, tell us how it happened that he is different cut laughing I received the ultrasound tests twice ... but for now I'm going to get some popcorn ... laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2020 19: 54
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir247
          You, tovarisch, Troll, before you write, tell who, where, and when isolated this virus.

          brain cancer. Yandex and Google banned you?
          1. Vladimir247
            Vladimir247 6 December 2020 21: 47
            -7
            But in fact there is something to say?
  4. boris epstein
    boris epstein 6 December 2020 15: 53
    +15
    Joke.
    In Western medicine, a new term has emerged - asymptomatic patients. They used to be called healthy ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 22
      +6
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      the new term is asymptomatic patients.

      Carriers or poorly examined
      1. Alf
        Alf 6 December 2020 19: 36
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Boris Epstein
        the new term is asymptomatic patients.

        Carriers or poorly examined

        A doctor friend of mine has a professional saying, “There are no healthy, there are under-examined.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 6 December 2020 18: 15
      +1
      Aha-if there were a man and we can think of a disease!
    3. Arpad
      Arpad 7 December 2020 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: boris epstein
      Joke.
      In Western medicine, a new term has emerged - asymptomatic patients. They used to be called healthy ...

      good
  5. Overlock
    Overlock 6 December 2020 15: 55
    +31
    Covid: at first there was fear and panic, then they began to make money on it, and now, along with the money, political dividends.
    1. Alf
      Alf 6 December 2020 19: 41
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      Covid: at first there was fear and panic, then they began to make money on it, and now, along with the money, political dividends.

      1. Simargl
        Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 52
        0
        Actually, this is a cartel conspiracy of manufacturers of masks, soap, buckwheat and delayed traders.
  6. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 6 December 2020 16: 01
    +7
    The publication "Mediazona", with reference to the data of the Information Center for Monitoring the Situation with Coronavirus (ICC), found that many regions of the country underestimate the statistics of deaths from coronavirus at least twice. Among them was the Tomsk region.
    As the newspaper notes, a user of the ICC contacted them, who wished to remain anonymous. He presented the editors with proof that he really had access to the system, and sent an archive with the files downloaded from the center.
    The source archive contained several hundred files with the template names "Operational monitoring of the readiness of regional health systems for hospitalization of patients with pneumonia" and dates from March 31 to November 22. In addition, the archive contained files with the names "Summary information on the readiness of the bed fund", but only for November.
    According to these data, since the start of the ICC system, 74 patients have died on the beds allocated for coronavirus patients. Publicly available statistics of victims is two times less - 866 people.
    “In November, when federal reports reported 400-500 deaths a day, 800-900 people actually died in coronavirus hospitals. The peak of mortality in the data available to Mediazone fell on November 17 - then 932 people died in hospitals: Rospotrebnadzor reported only 456 deaths, "the newspaper writes.
    And where to laugh, author?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 6 December 2020 16: 07
      +35
      Quote: From Tomsk
      And where to laugh, author?

      one should not laugh, but cry. Regions are thrown into autonomous voyage with coronavirus: no money, no beds, no doctors, no medicine
      1. huntsman650
        huntsman650 6 December 2020 16: 44
        +2
        And everyone is given ARVI)))
  7. New Year day
    New Year day 6 December 2020 16: 20
    +3
    There are no problems with testing in the hospital: within 10 an express test, after 10 hours immunoglobulins, after a day - PCR.
    Another thing is what we get as a result! The lack of positive results does not mean the absence of the disease. I learned about the covid transferred on my legs only after donating blood for immunoglobulins. But I was contagious to those around me. At the same time, there are questions about covid: I was dangerous to others, but testing of my loved ones showed that they were not sick with covid.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 7 December 2020 01: 11
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      At the same time, there are questions about covid: I was dangerous to others, but testing of my loved ones showed that they were not sick with covid.

      Compare with plague or Ebola. And everything will become clear at once. See Tail wags the dog. And think, how so, you had a coronavirus, but your loved ones did not. By the way, you are not the only one.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 7 December 2020 11: 32
        +1
        The influence of the individual characteristics of the organism on the course of infection. Someone may not notice that they have become infected (the immune system has coped, the virus has not multiplied), someone is buried on the fifth day after infection (and before that he was healthy as a bull) ...
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 7 December 2020 22: 27
          +1
          Quote: dzvero
          Someone may not notice that they have become infected (the immune system has coped, the virus has not multiplied), someone buries on the fifth day after infection

          And if most of them are asymptomatic (carriers) or as usual ARD? What is the difference between the covid and ordinary orz? Yes, nothing. And with flu and acute respiratory infections, there are people who die from complications. And if you collect them in one or two hospitals in the city, it will also be hard. But nobody really believes in the flu. And no one believes in covid either. See how most people wear masks.
          But entire villages died out very quickly from Ebola, they didn't even have time to tell anyone. Although it is also not always, nevertheless, the contagiousness and severity of the virus is evident. But the villages died out from the covid?
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 7 December 2020 23: 24
            0
            And if most of them are asymptomatic (are carriers)

            This is so; I just meant that some people have the immune system "works very quickly" or have a genetic immunity to the virus. This has been proven with HIV.
            With ebola, it is somewhat different - a pandemic does not threaten us. The virus is contagious, but the incubation period is two days at most, and the symptoms are very noticeable. The mortality rate is very high - from 70 to 90%. The fact that entire villages in Africa were dying ... hygiene and customs ... in India I was told that from celiac infections, too, whole villages were not so long ago.
            As for mortality from covid, it depends on how you count. In general, it is somewhere between 1-2% (10 times higher than the flu). But if you calculate for the 60+ age category, then suddenly the mortality rate is 20 to 40%.
            By the way, a simple rule emerges - out of ten patients, one goes to the hospital; out of ten people who are admitted to the hospital, one dies. True, until you get sick, you will not understand which ten you will get ...
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 7 December 2020 23: 37
              +1
              The point of my comparison with Ebola with covid is to show the complete weakness of covid.

              Quote: dzvero
              As for mortality from covid, it depends on how you count. In general, it is somewhere between 1-2% (10 times higher than the flu).

              Based on what numbers do you count?

              In general, after a deceased 80-year-old man, a couple of years old as a bedridden patient who does not go out on the street, indicate the cause of death - covid, and all his relatives are healthy and are not quarantined as contact ... trust in statistics and the health care system is disappearing altogether. From the word completely.
              And if at the same time doctors are paid to work with "covid" ones. It remains to believe only those observed in real life, and not on TV and the Internet, events analyzed through the prism of their life experience.
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 8 December 2020 00: 11
                +2
                Based on what numbers do you count?

                Online numbers for every taste. For myself, I think that German indicators of 0.8% are closer to reality. Yes, and in our country about 5000 people are diagnosed a day, and about 40-60 people die "from covid". Of course, the mortality rate will become clear after the end of the epidemic, if the statistics are not distorted, and should be around or below 1%. Most likely, due to opportunistic considerations, they will overestimate two or three times.
                As for real life, there were no cases in our area during the first wave in the spring. Now there is enough, and not far-fetched ... I do not panic, the virus is here, it is more dangerous than the flu, but the pressures in the media and senseless restrictive measures enrage. You can't go to a restaurant or a movie, but in a crowded subway - please. They would have to wear masks indoors and that's it.
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 8 December 2020 10: 18
                +1
                Quote: bot.su
                to a bedridden patient who does not go out, the cause of death is indicated - covid, and all his relatives are healthy and are not quarantined as contact ... trust in statistics and the healthcare system generally disappears. From the word completely.
                I have a lot of examples: the family is over, one does not want to, or vice versa: one is sick, the other is at least something. In order to get infected, it is not necessary to leave - it is enough for others to come out. And if the title is not enough for these other, but younger ones, then for an 80-year-old it may be enough.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 11 December 2020 00: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Simargl
                  In order to get infected, it is not necessary to leave - it is enough for others to come out. And if the title is not enough for these other, but younger ones, then for an 80-year-old it may be enough.

                  It is logical, but such speculations are not extinguished by an isolated example, when a young wife is diagnosed with a virus, but the husband does not. They live in a one-room apartment, they sleep in the same bed ... But come on! By the way, it was officially admitted that a third, even almost 40%, of the tests were false-negative. if the same number of false positives, then out of 10 tests 6, or even 8 are incorrect. If analyzes are unable to reveal the real picture, and the majority of "patients" are asymptomatic carriers - why all this nonsense on TV and on the internet?
    2. Arpad
      Arpad 7 December 2020 19: 32
      -3
      Quote: Silvestr
      At the same time, there are questions about covid: I was dangerous to others, but testing of my loved ones showed that they did not get covid

      The same crap, I was kind of sick (asymptomatic), and no one from my family got infected.
      And so yeah, a terrible epidemic, worse than the plague wassat
      They spread the whole world like suckers.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 7 December 2020 19: 54
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      I was dangerous to others, but testing of my loved ones showed that they did not suffer from covid
      It's okay! Friends in the same bed were not infected.
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 6 December 2020 16: 35
    +4
    You can play with statistics for a long time. You can indicate anything in the "cause of death" column. It is possible, as in Turkmenistan, to argue that there is not a single case of the disease in the country. The pandemic, alas, continues, people get sick and die at times a little more or less. This does not change anything on a global scale. And with the presence / absence of antibodies, not everything is clear.
    The only thing that pleases me is that a paradoxical maxim has been actually confirmed: the more covid dissidents, the less covid dissidents.

    God bless you all!
    hi
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 December 2020 17: 21
    +2
    It seems to me that those who are on self-isolation lose their immunity.
    1. ANB
      ANB 6 December 2020 20: 55
      +2
      ... It seems to me that those who are on self-isolation lose their immunity.

      Hmm. Can you justify it?
      1. polar fox
        polar fox 7 December 2020 07: 59
        0
        Quote: ANB
        Hmm. Can you justify it?

        can I try ... I took the children from the city to the village in March and until September they lived with me. they didn’t limit anything. when we went to school and kindergarten, mine were the only ones who did not get sick, did not have snot and was really healthy . the coach with difficulty selected 3 "bark beetles" from class, capable of "not dying" during the warm-up ... a week later, only mine remained ... I regularly steam them in the bathhouse for the weekend and wipe them with snow. 8 and 4 years.
        1. ANB
          ANB 7 December 2020 10: 01
          +1
          ... I took the children from town to village in March and until September they stayed with me.

          So this is an example where self-isolation increased immunity and strengthened health :)
  10. BAI
    BAI 6 December 2020 19: 13
    +2
    Statistics ruthlessly record the highest percentage of deaths just where the virus immediately finds the maximum potential victims. That is, in medical institutions and among the doctors themselves.

    Here we see a complete resemblance to oncology. As my uncle, an oncologist surgeon, said: "Among oncologists there is an increased mortality rate from oncology. They know all the signs, they know what they can be confused with, they delay the examination procedure to get a diagnosis - what if not oncology, but something else? Or vice versa, at the first erroneous diagnosis calms down - not oncology. And as a result, the time is delayed when it is too late to be treated. " And my uncle died of oncology. For the same reason.
    Those. with covid, they hope that it is not him, they are losing time, and of course the result.
    1. Salty
      Salty 6 December 2020 19: 18
      -1
      Quote: BAI
      And my uncle died of oncology. For the same reason

      Um .. my sympathy. When the child dies in the same way, I will probably hear you. If I live, the same trouble, the same butt)
      1. BAI
        BAI 6 December 2020 19: 22
        +1
        From my own experience. Oncology was suspected. We did a standard examination. Not oncology. The oncologists said - "Not our patient." The attending physician doubted. Let's do an in-depth analysis. Made. Oncology. I went to the hospital with a second degree, and they cut out a third.
        About hospitals - I can recommend Moscow Oncology 62. I had complications during the operation, but doctors in Israel confirmed that the operation was excellent.
        1. Salty
          Salty 6 December 2020 19: 32
          -2
          Quote: BAI
          About hospitals - I can recommend 62 Moscow Oncological

          Thanks. Not mine, mine, if anything - Balashikha. Never a Muscovite, yes.

          Quote: BAI
          I had complications during the operation, but doctors in Israel confirmed that the operation was excellent

          Good luck, sincerely. We are all human ... we will all die sometime. But better later, here you are right around.
          1. BAI
            BAI 6 December 2020 19: 34
            +3
            Through the commercial department you can. Stay as far from Balashikha. I have not seen any positive reviews.
            1. Salty
              Salty 6 December 2020 19: 34
              0
              Quote: BAI
              Stay as far from Balashikha. I have not seen any positive reviews

              I know. We'll all die (c)
  11. businessv
    businessv 6 December 2020 20: 17
    +3
    So what now, "always be in the mask"? Well then, problems with immunity are guaranteed to all 100 percent of the world's population.
    Thank you, Peter, for the article that makes us think! In fact, the mortality rate from bird flu is 47%, so SARS-CoV-2 is really not the most dangerous flu, especially since there is still debate about its origin - either artificial or natural. Hence, there are so many conflicting articles, judgments and completely opposite conclusions about the measures taken by countries. In any case, someday it must end, as the "Spanish flu", smallpox and other "delights" of our already difficult life ended.
  12. businessv
    businessv 6 December 2020 20: 23
    +2
    Quote: A. Privalov
    The only thing that pleases me is that a paradoxical maxim has been actually confirmed: the more covid dissidents, the less covid dissidents.
    A bit wrong, colleague: the more covid dissidents, the fewer covid patients. smile
  13. riwas
    riwas 7 December 2020 05: 18
    +1
    There is a serious official website where covid hospitals exchange experiences.
    I was interested in the use of aprotinin. Have received a positive result not only on hamsters, but also on humans.
    https://covid19-preprints.microbe.ru/files/238
    https://covid19-preprints.microbe.ru/files/237
  14. Roman070280
    Roman070280 7 December 2020 11: 02
    -5
    13.11.2020 "Something extremely deceiving is happening... I passed the coronavirus test four times a day. Two results are negative, two are positive. Same machine [for analysis], same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from [test maker] BD, ”Musk wrote.


    Smile and wave..))

    PS .. for almost a year - the only acquaintance "sick" was a colleague at work .. After the assumptions arose, somewhere on the third day (Wednesday or Thursday) he went to the tests (I know exactly what he paid) .. 5 days later I got a positive result .. in the end I stayed at home for a month .. I didn't ask him much - but all this time he worked .. remotely ..
    I thought .. when (well, everybody gets sick once every couple of years) some ARVI / FLU - I usually lie in bed for several days without getting up .. fever, cough, chills, snot .. I have no strength to eat to get up. . And here the person just complained that he was not feeling very well .. and continued to work ..))

    And yes ..
    "After the assumptions arose, somewhere on the third day !!" - for some reason no one at our work got sick anymore, despite the fact that he talked to everyone for at least three days, being "sick"
    And maybe someone got sick ..))

    Here is such a terrible virus ..
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 7 December 2020 16: 13
      +2
      You're in luck, for now ... But judging by the dynamics - not for long.
    2. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 8 December 2020 12: 35
      0
      My colleague was ill - under 39 temperature - an average hard week + 3 at home.
      Nephew with family - temperature 39,5-40 week + 3 weeks at home, wife still has temperature 37 (month).
      Mother-in-law with father-in-law - the first two weeks are hard under 39, then 2 more with improvement.
      That is, it is easy if someone easily tolerated it, then did not notice, and who was sick, then it is very difficult for a week, someone has 20% of the lungs affected, one relative under mechanical ventilation lay 40% of the lung damage (by the way, the test did not show at first that it was infected, they began to treat it late) ...
      At the grassroots level (district doctors and diagnostics, CT) - chaos and chaos due to the influx of patients, lost tests, not a word how to treat, no free medicines - three quarters of sick relatives and friends did not receive any medical help at all during their illness, some received tests for a fee, most of the cases were not included in the statistics.
      Only three were included in the statistics (one was in the hospital under mechanical ventilation and two passed free tests on the 8th day after the doctor's call, the doctor was never there, but they took the tests).
      Thank God that there is open information on how and how to treat - otherwise the result would not be the same.

      And thank God that it was not a highly lethal disease - the state completely lost control over the situation, and in the regions it did not control it - it failed the epidemic resistance test.

      I myself am waiting for the opportunity to be vaccinated, while I am lucky, my colleague was ill - he was sitting in a mask 2 meters from me.
  15. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 7 December 2020 16: 10
    +2
    The author is a ram. It will speak differently if it gets under the oxygen cap in the "intensive".
  16. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 8 December 2020 12: 12
    0
    A negative test for coronavirus (domestically produced) is not yet a fact that there is no virus in the body - the sensitivity of Russian tests is very low.

    An acquaintance became infected in a remote village, a man came to him who twice tested negative for covid-19 before the seminar, although he already had symptoms.
    And only the third test gave a positive result.
    Unfortunately, I was late.
    I got infected.