Abroad, they were skeptical about the capabilities of the UAV "Okhotnik" as an interceptor

Attempts are being made in the foreign press to evaluate the Russian heavy attack drone "Okhotnik" in the interceptor format. Recall that the other day "Voennoye Obozreniye" reported on the tests of the "Okhotnik" UAV in exactly this format - with an imitation of air-to-air missiles in the sky over the Astrakhan region.

Particular attention was paid to the new tests of the Russian attack UAVs in the countries of East Asia, including Vietnam. So, the Vietnamese press writes that so far no country in the world has been able to use an attack drone as an interceptor aviation techniques.

“To what extent is this possible in the case of the Russian Okhotnik? military observers in Vietnam are asking.

To describe the most likely problems, the speed parameters of fighter-interceptors are given as an example. So, the MiG-31BM, which is in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, can reach speeds of more than 2,5 thousand km / h.

Vietnamese press:

If Russia has not created the latest engine for UAVs, then it is impossible to make a heavy shock drone move at comparable speeds.

Also abroad, skepticism is expressed regarding the ability of the "Hunter" to maneuver at high speeds. In the case of fully automatic control, heavy-duty computing capabilities of the on-board computer are needed, and when controlling drone The operator needs ultra-high-speed data exchange channels that allow the aircraft to perform intensive maneuvering.

Judging by these statements, abroad they are trying to view the Okhotnik UAV as a classic interceptor. But after all, in the Russian Aerospace Forces, no one said what exactly the drone would intercept if necessary. It is practically pointless to use it in the current conditions to intercept fighters. But for escorting and intercepting, for example, reconnaissance UAVs, which are increasingly appearing near the borders of the Russian Federation, including over the Black Sea, it is quite possible. It is important to correlate characteristics in terms of altitude and the ability to attack from different echelons with air-to-air missiles.

Comments

[Pereira]

I would be surprised if the West met this idea at least with understanding.
Sober analysis is out of the question.

[Reviews]

What "West"?

Particular attention was paid to the new tests of the Russian strike UAV in the countries of East Asia, Vietnam. Thus, the Vietnamese press writes that so far no country in the world has been able to use an attack drone as an interceptor of aircraft.

“To what extent is this possible in the case of the Russian Okhotnik? military observers in Vietnam are asking.

And the Vietnamese are those isho iksperdy, yeah ...

[Boris Chernikov]

depending on the media .. maybe it's a local echo of Moscow ..

[Doccor18]

Come on in the west, Vietnam is thinking ...

[figwam]

Quote: Doccor18

Come on in the west, Vietnam is thinking ...

Maybe it's western Vietnam)

[Grits]

Quote: figvam

Maybe it's western Vietnam

Duc, a little left ... Soon they will dance with a striped flag.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Pereira

I would be surprised if the West met this idea at least with understanding.
Sober analysis is out of the question.

Analytics from the Vietnamese press. When did Vietnam become the West? As far as I remember Geography ... Southeast Asia!

[Pereira]

I also heard about SEA.
But I very much doubt that the Vietnamese article is the result of my own efforts, and not a reprint of Western responses to the news.

[Aerodrome]

how to intercept, I also have skepticism, the person at the helm is more reliable. and to bomb, a stupid machine may. Despite the "artificial intelligence" it is still a piece of iron.

[Ros 56]

On the one hand, I agree with you, but on the other hand, looking at various films such as Star Wars, you come to the conclusion that at some point a person will simply become an outsider in terms of reaction and performance, and here you don't want to, but you will have to give in to the machine ...

[Pereira]

There are doubts about the person. Times are different, people are different, goals are different, ways are different. Everything is different.
It's stupid to launch a Hunter into a maneuverable battle with an F-16. But who's stopping you from shooting the Bytractors with Nagars? Yes, even helicopters?

[faiver]

But who's stopping you from shooting the Bytractors with Nagars? Yes, even helicopters?

- and why for this a heavy drone? There is nothing simpler?

[Pereira]

I don't know, I haven't read about anything like that.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Pereira

It's stupid to launch a Hunter into a maneuverable battle with an F-16.

Where does such pessimism come from?

The ace pilot lost to artificial intelligence and was shot down in a virtual air battle
Lee is an ace pilot who graduated from the School of Combat Use of Fighters. His skills are undeniable.
However, during the aerial combat with ALPHA, Li never managed to shoot down an enemy aircraft, while ALPHA shot down an experienced pilot several times.

This news is from 2016, but from 2020.

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the US Department of Defense has summed up the results of the AlphaDogfight Trials virtual air combat tests of neural network algorithms and they are very disappointing for humans: artificial intelligence managed to defeat a professional US Air Force pilot with a score of 5: 0.

So let's be realistic.

[Pereira]

Don't be confused. It's not about intelligence, but about the flight characteristics for close maneuver combat of this particular model. If you launch air-to-air missiles at a long range on the guidance of an AWACS, an airship constantly hanging in the air will do. If only the carrying capacity is enough.
And against a fighter, something should be done between a kamikaze drone and an ordinary aircraft missile with the possibility of long-term loitering at the covered object. I wrote this offhand.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Pereira

Do not confuse.

.
What does the flight characteristics of the Hunter have to do with it?
Nobody knows the flight characteristics of the Hunter except the developers.
And if the developers tested it for interception, then it can do it.
For example, I trust developers.
And the reasoning of the Vietnamese "experts", or our conclusions from the couch in comparison with the opinion of the developers, to put it mildly, are not convincing.

[Kart]

It's all the same. If only to daub it is known what.
Moreover, many people do not read anything except headings.
As there in the article:

In the case of fully automatic control, super-powerful computing capabilities of an on-board computer are needed, and when controlling a drone by an operator, ultra-high-speed data exchange channels are needed, which allow intensive maneuvering of the aircraft.

Indeed, where did these Russians come from? They stole a drone, and they fly on it without computers, without engines and communications.
I hardly joke - that's what some people write. the descendants of the ancient Sumerians are especially trying in half with no less ancient people, which is not accepted to be named.
In a decent society.

[Terenin]

Quote: Hunter 2

Quote: Pereira

I would be surprised if the West met this idea at least with understanding.
Sober analysis is out of the question.

Analytics from the Vietnamese press. When did Vietnam become the West? As far as I remember Geography ... Southeast Asia!

Alexey, they have this since the US fleet sailed to the shores of Belarus

[peter rusin_2]

So yes, Vietnam is the West, Southeast Asia))

[Pechkin]

The Vietnamese press is that west.

[Terenin]

Quote: Pechkin

The Vietnamese press is that west.

She can only count on the great rear west because great front west has already been covered by the Ukrainian press.

[Terenin]

If Russia has not created the latest engine for UAVs, then it is impossible to make a heavy shock drone move at comparable speeds.

I need high speeds over the vastness of Russia, but over Europe, Vietnam ... or other islands there ... our UAVs have nowhere to rush

[Maks winter]

bravo, dear ... then prolonged applause ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: Pereira

Sober analysis is out of the question.

The negative reaction of the West is precisely the criterion of the correctness and effectiveness of the chosen direction. It is much more serious to take positive reactions from the West to any events, because these actions would certainly be detrimental to Russia.

[prior]

Hitler's fascists were also skeptical about the military capabilities of the USSR ...
The remains of this skepticism lie throughout the vast territory of Eastern Europe and Russia.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: prior

Hitler's fascists were also skeptical about the military capabilities of the USSR ...
The remains of this skepticism lie throughout the vast territory of Eastern Europe and Russia.

and as ours were skeptical ... 20 000000 XNUMX paid. Lives.

[prior]

Invalid comparison.
It is bestiality to compare the Hitlerite fascists, who vilely attacked the USSR, destroyed the civilian population, with the people who defended the Motherland.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: prior

Invalid comparison.
It is bestiality to compare the Hitlerite fascists, who vilely attacked the USSR, destroyed the civilian population, with the people who defended the Motherland.

against the truth you can’t trample. I don’t care about "fertilizers", but I don’t hold my own people for "bestiality", but there is such a concept - Pravda. Was there not "decapitation" of the army? it was. wasn’t there one "mosinka" for three, it was, the Victory was given with blood, a lot of Blood, so don't ...

[prior]

War is always the lost. It is always a pity for those who died for a just cause. We argue about the same thing, but from different sides.
You don't think that in order to avoid a large number of victims, you should surrender to the mercy of the attacking aggressor ?!
The fact that the Victory was given with such great blood is our pain, our grief, our mistakes, and much more. The USSR opposed the whole united Europe, and this is strength.
Yes. It is a crime to underestimate the enemy. But pity for the dead cannot defeat him.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: prior

We argue about the same thing, but from different sides.

really? I think that on the one hand, there is no need to put me on the other side of the barricades,

Quote: prior

You don't think that in order to avoid a large number of victims, you should surrender to the mercy of the attacking aggressor ?!

what is this? where did you get it? I think a bullet is better than a surrender. and even better to pile on anything and any aggressor.

Quote: prior

The fact that the Victory was given with such great blood is our pain, and our grief, and our mistakes,

Well, what I'm talking about.

[Kart]

It is customary for enemies to be skeptical about the capabilities of those whom they plan to kill.
They must assure their own that it is not scary, that they are simply savages or non-humans, and everything will be simple, easy, and most importantly extremely useful for civilization.

[Clear]

Quote: prior

the machines of this skepticism lie throughout the vast territory of Eastern Europe

It is a pity that only the eastern one. Almost all of Europe attacked the USSR.

[Simon schempp]

Almost all of Europe attacked the USSR.

Yes Yes. As many as 6 countries. Germany, Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria.
Almost all of Europe.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Simon Schempp

Yes Yes. As many as 6 countries. Germany, Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria.
Almost all of Europe.

Well, yes, and the Weapons were produced and the resources supplied, Denmark, Holland, France, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway, etc., plus from each of these countries, the SS Legions (staffed by no means Aryans) participated. So - do not twist your finger at the temple, but rather kill yourself against the wall ... damn historian.

[Simon schempp]

and Weapons were produced and supplied by Denmark, Holland, France, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway

Lol. It was about an attack by a "united Europe". All these countries were occupied by Germany and they did not attack the USSR. During the war, a huge amount of resources went from the occupied territory of the USSR to Germany. According to your logic, the USSR fought not only against the Hitlerite coalition, but also against itself.

plus from each of the listed countries, the SS Legions (manned by no means Aryans) participated

It's funny. There were significantly more Russian / Soviet people in the service of the Wehrmacht than representatives of all these countries combined.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Simon Schempp

Almost all of Europe attacked the USSR.

Yes Yes. As many as 6 countries. Germany, Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria.
Almost all of Europe.

and we have a cemetery ..., Austrians, Croats ... and all of you listed, worked as builders, in captivity, in the Sverdlovsk region touch any railway station of the regional-Austrians did, Italians, well, there are especially many Romanians, a couple of them were drawn to the Urals ... to throw off a photo from the cemetery? there is such a multinational ... the whole of Europe on the face.

[faiver]

you forgot to mention Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, Belgium, Holland, France, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, already absorbed by the Reich ... did I miss someone?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: faiver

you forgot to mention Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, Belgium, Holland, France, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, already absorbed by the Reich ... did I miss someone?

yes ... Luxembourg and the Vatican. maybe Monaco more ...

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Simon Schempp

Almost all of Europe attacked the USSR.

Yes Yes. As many as 6 countries. Germany, Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria.
Almost all of Europe.

In order to assess the national composition of all European help in people, which, in the hope of easy prey, climbed to kill Soviet and Russian people, I will give a table of that part of foreign volunteers who guessed to surrender to us in time:
Germans - 2 389 560, Hungarians - 513 767, Romanians - 187 370, Austrians - 156 682, Czechs and Slovaks - 69 977, Poles - 60 280, Italians - 48 957, French - 23 136, Croats - 21 822, Moldovans - 14 129, Jews - 10 173, Dutch - 4 729, Finns - 2 377, Belgians - 2 010, Luxembourgers - 1652, Danes - 457, Spaniards - 452, Gypsies - 383, Norwegians - 101, Swedes - 72.
The Germans had no problem with supplies: they were provided with weapons and food throughout Europe. The French not only handed over all their tanks to the Germans, but also produced a huge amount of military equipment for them - from cars to optical rangefinders.
The Czechs, whose only one company, Skoda, produced more weapons than the entire pre-war Great Britain, built an entire fleet of German armored personnel carriers, a huge number of tanks, aircraft, small arms, artillery and ammunition.
Poles built planes, Polish Jews in Auschwitz produced explosives, synthetic gasoline and rubber to kill Soviet citizens; The Swedes mined ore and supplied the Germans with components for military equipment (for example, bearings), the Norwegians supplied the Nazis with seafood, the Danes - with oil ... In short, all of Europe did its best.
And she tried not only on the labor front. Only the elite troops of Nazi Germany - the SS troops - accepted 400 thousand "blond beasts" from other countries into their ranks, and a total of 1800 thousand volunteers from all over Europe entered the Hitlerite army, forming 59 divisions, 23 brigades and several national regiments and legions ...
The most elite of these divisions had not numbers, but their own names indicating national origin: "Valonia", "Galicia", "Bohemia and Moravia", "Viking", "Denemark", "Gembez", "Langemark", "Nordland "," Netherlands "," Charlemagne ", the Spaniards formed the" Blue Division ", etc.

[Maks winter]

In France, SS divisions were formed from among the colobationists ...

French volunteers before leaving for the eastern front ...

[Ros 56]

Well, the Vietnamese give, following elementary logic, they were a priori doomed to perish from the striped. Also, the whole world thought that the USSR in 41 would be destroyed by the Nazis, but, but, but.
And the drone, although a complex machine, is just a machine and using AI, engineers will apparently achieve something intelligible. A matter of time and technology.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, the Vietnamese give, following elementary logic, they were a priori doomed to perish from the striped.

even as "give"!

One of the episodes of Barack Obama's visit to Vietnam is now literally immortalized - placed under a glass bell in Hanoi. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/usa/39352151/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink ... something like that. There is no Putin's table. On April 24, 2002, when the Sakhalin-9 ferry moored in Cam Ranh and took away the remnants of equipment and the last military, we irrevocably left Vietnam.

[Ros 56]

Well, what do you want if our liberals sometimes vulgarize the sacred memory of those who fell in the Second World War.
You just have to shoot and bury them like dogs without kin.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, the Vietnamese give, following elementary logic, they were a priori doomed to perish from the striped.

Now what? Should they enthusiastically praise everything that comes from the "big brother"?
Again, even then, almost half of the Vietnamese did not think we were saving them from the Americans. They think it was the Americans who wanted to save them from us. And now there are more and more of them. The victory over a great country, of course, flatters their pride, but here is the result many would like to be different. As, for example, Thailand is friends with America and quite lives for itself.

[evgen1221]

The ideas are certainly cool, but the thing is that the West is building UAVs in different countries and uses them as their own in a single blow. We are forced to build ourselves and in comparable quantities, which puts us in a losing situation, physically we will never do so much.

[Nitarius]

know less))) sleep better))) Artificial intelligence)) let it be a surprise)) for them)

[Clear]

Quote: Nitarius

know less))) sleep better))) Artificial intelligence)) let it be a surprise)) for them)

Oh, they don't need to sleep.

[KCA]

The Vietnamese are notable specialists in aerospace, they have their own 5th generation aircraft, and the world's leading space program, somehow "Buran" was controlled at hypersonic, supersonic and subsonic speeds without using super-powerful computing systems in automatic flight and landing

[air defense]

I honestly doubt that in Russia they will be able to bring the Hunter to mind, they just don't have enough people, they need huge investments in AI research, development of electronics, high-speed communication systems, etc., these are all specialists who need to pay above the market, and in the Russian These are the problems, and the brain drain is even going on at an accelerating pace.

[rotmistr60]

It is practically pointless to use it in the current conditions to intercept fighters. But for escorting and intercepting, for example, reconnaissance UAVs ... it is quite possible

This is probably the answer to the question that excited so much Vietnamese experts.

[svoit]

Can anyone suggest at what launch range it is better to eject, and at which maneuver?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: svoit

Can anyone suggest at what launch range it is better to eject, and at which maneuver?

he took off, lay down on a combat course, everything .. pull the lever on yourself. one MiG 23, so it flew over Europe in the 89th for a long time.

[dragon_13364]

But in the Russian Aerospace Forces, no one said what exactly the drone would intercept if necessary.

that they plan to launch it on rockets to cover the plane? So is this "Hunter" an interceptor or a hunter for something?

[kit88]

The Vietnamese exporter thought. He liked it and he thought again.
Well this is a wise thought, I thought that a subsonic aircraft is not suitable for intercepting supersonic targets! Eureka!

[Smirnoff]

It is better for them not to know the real possibilities

[Jacket in stock]

As usual, a loud headline and no text.

Here at VO, many commentators were also skeptical about the idea of ​​making the Hunter as an interceptor.
Why didn't they write about it too?

[Dikson]

The Vietnamese, of course, are more specialists in the area of ​​air defense ... but the article gives quite reasonable arguments, in contrast to the local disparaging comments .. Gentlemen, what's wrong? Do you understand that it is not enough to teach UAVs to fly and throw bombs and launch missiles? A fighter is not an attack aircraft ... An interceptor fighter needs to be able to perform complex aerobatics, to perform anti-missile maneuvers ... to be able to intercept various types of aircraft ... To teach an on-board computer this is a very difficult task, and communication with an operator in a combat situation can to be blocked by interference and other unpleasant things .. There is a lot of work in fact ... And when controlling via satellites, no one canceled the signal delay .. So why are you sneering here? Taught "Okhotnik" to take off and launch rockets on the ground - good .. Let him learn to work without the help of the host ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Dikson

An interceptor fighter needs to be able to perform complex aerobatics and perform anti-missile maneuvers.

And why all this is the interceptor?
Supremacy fighter, yes, it is necessary.
The ground air defense system generally stands in one place, but quite successfully intercepts air targets. The MiG-31 is also an aerobatic pilot.
Accordingly, it is also enough for an interceptor drone to be able to find and identify targets, launch and direct missiles. But in order to be able to find both air targets and ground / surface ones, you already need a good locator, not aerobatics.

[Merry_Militarist]

Pfft, who are these Vietnamese to listen to their "expert opinion"? But also the opinion of specialists from Northrop or Lockheed, maybe it would be worth listening to, at least they have experience in developing aircraft.

[faiver]

But for escorting and intercepting, for example, reconnaissance UAVs, which are increasingly appearing near the borders of the Russian Federation, including over the Black Sea, it is quite possible.

- And what is simpler, we have nothing? The reconnaissance UAV is not a high-speed target, why are these dances with tambourines?

[bairat]

"The interceptor fighter is a military aircraft designed primarily to destroy enemy bombers and cruise missiles."
Cannon fire is excluded. Launch a rocket from 100 kilometers - there is no need to compete in turns with enemy aircraft. Just a flying platform to launch rockets on command from the ground. So the Vietnamese's doubts about the Hunter are unfounded.

[Dikson]

Are you sure that the "Hunter" does not have cannon armament? Why such a high-speed engine on a "just flying platform"? Not everything is so simple with the Hunter, as you write .. It may not be necessary to compete in turns, but on the other hand, the absence of a man on board gives a very real advantage just in this type of battle - the overloads can be given to the car ... And then - the same anti-missile maneuvers will come in handy in one way or another .. the situation is not always reduced to a duel at a distance of 100 km ..

[AVA77]

Hunter, this is a platform and not a specific finished technical product, it (the product) is constantly being modified, refined at the hardware and software level. This is the groundwork for the future, this is the foundation.
Good luck with your product.

[agond]

For a long time there have been disposable interceptors, air defense missiles, why it is impossible to make a reusable one, and then it is not necessary to manually control all of its maneuvers from the ground, it will be enough to transfer the target parameters, and the AND AND "Hunter" will choose the option of action.

[ZVS]

I did not expect anything else from Asians. Their brains are straight, like the flight of the MiG-31. In addition to high-speed targets, there are many other, low-speed targets. And these goals will prevail on the battlefield in a modern conflict, as, for example, in Karabakh.

[Lord of the Sith]

Abroad skeptically reacted to the capabilities of the UAV "Okhotnik" as an interceptor

Well, let them think so)) Let the pompous Yankees consider themselves airships

[Klingon]

Vietnam should just think about something else, that it would be time to change the MiG-21 BIS and Shilki for something newer, and not talk about what they do not quite understand. Little will the Hunter intercept? can hunt robots or intercept shock guards

[Observer2014]

Abroad, they were skeptical about the capabilities of the UAV "Okhotnik" as an interceptor

What a mlyn he is an interceptor! Wake up! Likes lovers. Congratulations. You were caught on "understood". What should they intercept? Bayraktars? So what next? He can do it faster, better and more efficiently than the same MIG-29, for example? Oh, and experts ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Pereira

And against a fighter, something should be done between a kamikaze drone, and a conventional aircraft missile with the possibility of a long ...

The General class AI will shout to the Helicopter: Stop the intruder at all costs.

[eklmn]

What do they have?
And they have the Alabama-based rocket startup Aevum just unveiled the world's largest drone - a 28-ton autonomous giant that could soon launch US military satellites into orbit.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-rocket-startup-aevum-just-170000599.html
“Called Ravn X, the 28t UAV is designed to launch a two-stage rocket into the air that puts satellites weighing up to 100kg into orbit. The U.S. Air Force selected Aevum to launch a $ 4,9 million satellite mission in 2021. Aevum has also been awarded a commercial mission contract.
Jay Skylus, CEO and founder of Aevum, says that his company aims to launch customer satellites within three hours of receiving them at the launch site. ”

[Land defence]

How can you evaluate what you have no idea about?

[jetfors_84]

And when was such news greeted with enthusiasm there?