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Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance

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Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain


At present, the Anglo-Saxon world acts as the ideological, political and financial core of the West. France and Germany are isolated and secondary, and the coalition of Anglo-Saxon states is a powerful commonwealth of five countries, and they hold practically the same position on most of the key issues of world politics. There is no doubt that, if necessary, they will act as a unified military force, as has happened more than once.

Unity of the Anglo-Saxons: causes and consequences


Five countries are Great Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All of them are united by the dominance of the Anglo-Saxon component, the state English language and a common origin. At the same time, Great Britain is the "mother" of the Anglo-Saxon world, and the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are its isolated colonies.

If you remember history, then we will understand that the Anglo-Saxon countries were not always friends. The United States, for example, began its political history with a long and bloody confrontation with the British. For a long time, the United States did not have the best relations with the former metropolis, but then the situation began to change.

The United States and Great Britain became the closest allies by the middle of the twentieth century, having tested their commonwealth in the battles of the First and Second World Wars. As for Canada, Australia and New Zealand, they have always been much more loyal to the British crown than the United States. What is worth, at least, the fact that until now it is the English queen who is the head of state - the current monarch of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

During the second half of the twentieth century, all Anglo-Saxon countries were united by the idea of ​​confronting the Soviet and communist threat, and in the mid-XNUMXs of the XNUMXst century, the idea of ​​confronting post-Soviet Russia and China came to the fore. A common enemy is one of the most important factors for the consolidation of the Anglo-Saxon world. But, in the first place, of course, is the linguistic community. The closeness of mentality also plays a very important role, no matter what they say about the differences between the inhabitants of the former metropolis and the inhabitants of its branches.

Slavs will not be able to unite


If we compare the unity of the Anglo-Saxons with the Slavic world, then in the latter case, everything is much more deplorable. There is a kind of ethnic imbalance. It is worth reflecting on its causes.

The Slavs are not united and they cannot be united anymore, so the Slavic unity, in contrast to the Anglo-Saxon, is more of a mythology, which can only be believed by a very great optimist and romantic. To begin with, if all Anglo-Saxons are adherents of the Western version of Christianity and, for the most part, Protestants, then among the Slavs there are both Orthodox and Catholics, and the same Protestants, and even Muslims.

Bosnian Muslims and Pomak Bulgarians have always been in the orbit of Turkish cultural influence and in this regard stand completely apart from the rest of the Slavs. Croats, Slovenes, Czechs, Slovaks, Poles - representatives of the Central European cultural code, Catholics and Protestants. Part of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus also gravitates towards them. Only a part of the southern Slavs - Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bulgarians, and the Eastern Slavs belong to the Orthodox tradition, on the basis of which their culture has been formed for centuries.

Therefore, if we talk about the Slavic world, then its Muslim-Turkic and Central European parts can be immediately separated. The Orthodox part of the South Slavs and the Eastern Slavs remain. But both those and others have been the objects of tough anti-Russian propaganda for at least a century and a half.

Under the influence of the West, represented by Austria-Hungary and Germany, a construct of political Ukrainians was formed, thanks to which it was eventually possible to mentally separate a significant part of Ukrainians from the Russian world. Now Poland and Lithuania influence the Belarusian society in the same way. Similar processes are observed in the Balkans, where the Serbs still hold out, but the Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bulgarians have long since given up weakness.

Overcoming the division of the Slavic world, divided by different religions, languages, cultural characteristics, foreign intervention and completely different history, is not just difficult, but practically impossible, especially in those conditions when the same Anglo-Saxon world acts as a powerful generator of any anti-Russian sentiments.

Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world? In theory, yes, but one can imagine the level of opposition that will be provided. The issue of resources in this case also plays a role, and one of the most important. There is also a question of expediency, especially with an eye to the fact that many "Slavic brothers" often actively opposed Russia and the Russians in different historical periods.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 3 December 2020 07: 59
    +32
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance

    The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, there is a plan and there is an ideology ... We do not have this .. The desire to earn money or heat cannot unite people .. An idea, a common goal can unite .. When all this appears with us, then there will be unification .. only I would not divide into Slavs and non-Slavs ..
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 3 December 2020 08: 06
      +15
      Quote: Svarog
      The desire to earn or warm up cannot unite people.

      Is not this ideology among the Anglo-Saxons? Another thing is that such an ideology does not suit us. But she united the Anglo-Saxons.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 December 2020 09: 22
        +39
        Now the situation is such that it is just right to talk about the separation of Russians. Many people in Ukraine gravitate towards Russia, but the state and the imposed ideology interfere.

        This is not the case in Donbass. Donbass wants to go to Russia. Russians want to see Russians ... But the Kremlin won't take it! For some reason, Moscow sends its troops somewhere in the distance - to Syria, and to Karabakh to the non-Slavs, but it cannot help out its Russians at hand.
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 3 December 2020 11: 21
        +7
        F.I. Tyutchev. Two Unities
        From a cup overflowing with God's wrath
        Blood is pouring over the edge, and the West is drowning in it.
        Blood will rush on you, our friends and brothers! -
        Slavic world, close tightly ...

        "Unity," announced the oracle of our day, "
        It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "
        But we will try to solder him with love, -
        And then we'll see what is stronger ...

        September 1870
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 3 December 2020 15: 26
          +18
          Just read the poignant lines about the May 2 victims on the net
          I left at dawn today ...
          Mom, I forgot to tell you
          That you are dearer to me than anyone else in the world ...
          And I forgot to kiss you ...
          Mom, dear, how difficult it is for me to breathe!
          Not from soot and smoke ...
          They drive a fascist stake into my chest
          With the hymn "Ukraine has not died yet!"
      3. Cube123
        Cube123 3 December 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: Lesovik
        But she united the Anglo-Saxons.

        The Anglo-Saxons were united by the British Empire. In fact, out of the five listed by the author, only two countries are independent. UK and USA. Canada, New Zealand, Australia and 12 other countries are governed by Governors General appointed by the British Queen. Moreover, in the constitutions of these countries, the British queen is designated as the head of state and there is a clause that the British queen has the right to declare war on their behalf.

        "15 independent states headed by the British queen"
        Source: https://travelask.ru/blog/posts/11186-15-nezavisimyh-gosudarstv-glavoy-kotoryh-yavlyaetsya-britans

        So the unity rests not on a common ideology, but on colonial dependence.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 39
          +37
          Quote: Cube123
          So the unity rests not on a common ideology, but on colonial dependence.

          how much is "colonial" Australia or New Zealand now dependent on England?
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 3 December 2020 16: 57
          +6
          Quote: Cube123
          So unity is not based on a common ideology
          Colonial dependence is rather a factor that gives power over the rest of the world, and not a factor that serves to "rally" the Anglo-Saxons. There is a world economic pyramid, there are leaders and masters of world capitalism. Alas, in the struggle for world leadership, the British crown won, which continues to openly and secretly rule the world.

          Her transatlantic "miscarriage", the United States, was a thug that was on "face control", into the club of "celestials" who went crazy with billions and power over the world. Yes, "an elephant in a china shop", when it is necessary to smash the unwanted, remaining in the shadows. Whatever the United States did, it was primitive before what Britain did. Even their skyscrapers on September 11, the Yankees blew up stupidly, as a pretext to invade Iraq.

          There is now one pole of power, this is capitalism. There are masters of this pole, they are the Anglo-Saxons. Britain has plundered the world for centuries, amassing its wealth and power. Two world wars finally confirmed the leadership of the Anglo-Saxons in capitalism, the United States especially rose after World War II, profited from this war, enslaved the rest of the world. America's prosperity began with separatism, the genocide of the indigenous population, the slave trade and the plunder of the rest of the world, which continues today.

          Our party traitors, renegades, destroyed the USSR, picked up capitalism, what kind of unity can there be in the Slavic world today? The Central Bank of Russia under the IMF and the Federal Reserve System, the "elite" keeps the treasures acquired by "back-breaking labor" from the enemies of Russia, in foreign banks and foreign currency. The government only puffs its cheeks to raise the ratings, but it is also dependent, and chews snot, expressing concern, in an ever-shrinking ring, losing its last allies and sympathizers.

          Socialism will return, traitors will flee to their masters, there will be a truly independent Russia, and then it will be possible to talk about the revival of the pole of power, about the creation of Slavic unity.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 December 2020 11: 59
            +2
            "about the creation of Slavic unity." ///
            ----
            With whom? With Slavic Poland or the Czech Republic?
            And these two countries are the most economically developed of the Slavic countries.
            No socialism or capitalism can attract them to Russia.
            Even if Russia becomes - a miracle! - richer than Switzerland, then the union is not
            it will turn out.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 4 December 2020 15: 00
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              With Slavic Poland or the Czech Republic?
              Poland and the Czech Republic long ago fell under the West, these are not Orthodox peoples. And this is one of the factors. What, Aleksey, even in small Israel, are very fond of "blacks", that is, their own ultra-Orthodox Jews? Therefore, speaking of "Slavic unity", one must speak of those who historically saw themselves with Russia, these are, first of all, the Serbs, in this case and those Russians who were separated into a far-fetched division under the "Ukrainians".
              Otherwise, when you are strong and rich, the same Israel will want to join the "Slavic unity". So to speak, there are many "Russians" in the Promised Land. As for the vile Poland, so ungrateful psheks sooner or later will receive what they have long deserved, they will screw up their Poland without an alliance with Russia.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 4 December 2020 19: 10
                +2
                At first you spoke about the Slavic peoples, and not
                about the Orthodox. Religion and ethnicity are different things.
                There are three peoples in the Balkans - Serbs, Croats and Bosnians - this is one Slavic
                the tribe that once came to these lands. Genetically, they are 100% the same.
                But historically, they adopted three different religions, and turned into
                worst enemies.
                Just like the Russians and the Poles. Genetically - 100% match.
                Historically the worst enemies.
                There are many such examples.
                1. Icarus
                  Icarus 5 December 2020 23: 15
                  +2
                  At first you spoke about the Slavic peoples, and not
                  about the Orthodox. Religion and ethnicity are different things.
                  There are three peoples in the Balkans - Serbs, Croats and Bosnians - this is one Slavic
                  the tribe that once came to these lands. Genetically, they are 100% the same.
                  But historically, they adopted three different religions, and turned into
                  worst enemies.
                  Just like the Russians and the Poles. Genetically - 100% match.
                  Historically the worst enemies.
                  There are many such examples.

                  What does genetics have to do with it (by the way, the Finno-Ugric peoples are genetically closer to the Russians, and the Balts to the Poles) fool ... Ethiopian (Pushkin A.S.) can also be Russian (self-identification) by origin. As for the topic of discussion: So far, Russia is not a successful project (financially, politically and culturally). Who wants to unite with the people who are being robbed and duped by their own oligarch officials?
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 5 December 2020 23: 59
                    0
                    "Finno-Ugrians are genetically closer to Russians, and Balts to Poles)" ///
                    ---
                    Haplogenetics disagree with you smile
                    but we will not argue - I agree about the success of the project.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 10 December 2020 00: 28
              0
              Russia is much richer than Switzerland.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 December 2020 00: 34
                -1
                Russia is much richer than Switzerland. good
                But the Swiss are many, many times richer than the Russians. Paradox... laughing
                Slepakov has a song about it.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 11 December 2020 00: 12
                  +1
                  We're not talking about Russians. It's about the country. By the way Slepakov is much richer than many Swiss, probably most of them, but there will be some of yours)
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 11 December 2020 00: 57
                    0
                    The country is people. If people are poor, then the country cannot be called rich.
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 11 December 2020 16: 23
                      +1
                      Controversial statement. In the USSR, people were not rich, but they had everything to be happy. Poverty is not always determined by true needs. And let's say some Denmark. One of the leading countries in "people's happiness". An economically strong state, but what does it affect and what can it do globally in the world? And it should be viewed in perspective. Are the Chinese rich people? I think on average one of the poorest if you take the arithmetic mean. I think your language will not turn to say that the state of China is poor.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 11 December 2020 17: 53
                        -1
                        "but what does it affect and what can it globally do in the world?" ////
                        ----
                        You are confusing strength and wealth here.
                        A completely impoverished country can be strong in
                        militarily. Example: North Korea.
                        Nuclear weapons make her both powerful and powerful.
                        But she remains a beggar.
                        Denmark or Switzerland, if they want to and strain, can also
                        make an atomic bomb and ballistic missiles.
                        But they simply do not need such power and influence.
                        They prefer to be developed countries with rich and
                        happy population.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 22
          +1
          Quote: Cube123
          So the unity rests not on a common ideology, but on colonial dependence.

          and if we continue that on continuity and tradition. And we are divided by rewriting the history of the country. A change in attitude towards the past. We especially distinguished ourselves by approving the cult of Stalin. sad and away we go ...
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 3 December 2020 22: 00
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Cube123
            So the unity rests not on a common ideology, but on colonial dependence.

            and if we continue that on continuity and tradition. And we are divided by rewriting the history of the country. A change in attitude towards the past. We especially distinguished ourselves by approving the cult of Stalin. sad and away we go ...

            And before that we were not forced to forget Russia? Russian history does not begin with the Stalin era! ... At this time, it ends .........
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 4 December 2020 07: 23
              0
              Quote: 30 vis
              Russian history does not begin with the Stalin era! ... At this time, it ends .........

              but that was the era? smile
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 December 2020 11: 54
          -1
          All this remained purely formal. As well as the status of the Queen of England.
          Both Canada and Australia are richer countries than England.
          And they are completely independent, and England cannot order them anything.
          The British Commonwealth is not held together by fear of the mother country,
          but on the benevolent attitude towards England of the former colonies.
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 13 December 2020 08: 43
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And England cannot order them anything.

            England may and may not. But the British queen, according to their constitution, can. The Prime Minister in these countries is always approved by the British Queen. And, if he decides to say at least something in parliament that has not been agreed from above, then he will fly out of his post even before he finishes his speech. And he knows it very well.

            "Queen Elizabeth's Royal Visits to Canada - 2020"
            https://ru.lifehackk.com/44-queen-elizabeth-visits-to-canada-510580-3154
            "Queen Elizabeth, Canadian head of state, always attracts crowds when visiting Canada. Since her accession to the throne in 1952, Queen Elizabeth has made 22 official royal visits to Canada "
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 December 2020 09: 34
              0
              "if he decides to say at least something not agreed from above in parliament" ///
              ----
              There will be absolutely nothing for him laughing
              They may express regret ... maximum.
              And he will be prime minister until the next elections.
              Visits are a show, the audience loves titles, pomp. But not more.
              And in England, the actual words and desires of queens do not mean anything. Moreover, for 300 years.
              1. Cube123
                Cube123 13 December 2020 23: 12
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                There will be absolutely nothing for him laughing

                "Canadian minister rebelled against his queen
                A diplomatic scandal erupts between the UK and Canada. This is due to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada, who announced last week that the Queen of England cannot remain the head of the Canadian state for long. The resignation of the Canadian Foreign Minister is expected from day to day. "

                “The sensational speech of the Canadian minister threatens to turn into a serious scandal in British-Canadian relations. The head of the foreign policy department himself has already realized that he will not sit in his chair for a long time. "It looks like Queen Elizabeth's career will be longer than mine."- said Mr. Manly with a bitter grin. "

                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/267355
        5. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 4 December 2020 20: 50
          +1
          "So unity is based not on a common ideology, but on colonial dependence" - nonsense ..
        6. Sofa
          Sofa 10 December 2020 08: 12
          -1
          Look at their standard of living as you say "colonial" countries, colonial countries do not live like that. India was a colony of the British Empire there was no such thing as a fine standard of living. New Zealand, Canada and Australia are part of their circle of countries with common goals and they are satisfied with it , and colonial for them are Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Japan, and so on, not counting the third world countries.
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 38
        +38
        Quote: Lesovik
        Is not this ideology among the Anglo-Saxons? Another thing is that such an ideology does not suit us. But she united the Anglo-Saxons.

        what's the difference in what ideology? It is important that she is. Their ideology took centuries to form, ours lived for 70 years and died. In return - not any.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 3 December 2020 08: 08
      -7
      Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance
      Slavs ... because Stalin did not finish off the Nazis ... but like this: "a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies" + "lace panties" ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 05
        +13
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Slavs ... because Stalin did not finish off the Nazis ... but

        Again Stalin is to blame! And what about the current Kremlin policy?
        Or again "innocent me"!
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 3 December 2020 08: 14
      +14
      Quote: Svarog
      ... When all this appears with us, then there will be a unification ... only I would not divide into Slavs and non-Slavs ..

      This is a very difficult question. In my opinion, now the Russians are the most disunited people, and not only geographically.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 09: 32
        +5
        Quote: Stroporez
        This is a very difficult question. In my opinion, now the Russians are the most disunited people, and not only geographically.

        you can remember the Germans. Where they just did not settle and even now remain
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 07
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        now Russians are the most disunited people

        "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother" ... it was like that. And now ... they kill each other for not wearing a mask
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 3 December 2020 11: 25
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother" ... it was like that. And now ... they kill each other for not wearing a mask

          Comrade, that's exactly what I said, and sometimes I'm ashamed to be Russian.
          1. Tamparu
            Tamparu 3 December 2020 19: 22
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Silvestr
            "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother" ... it was like that. And now ... they kill each other for not wearing a mask

            Comrade, that's exactly what I said, and sometimes I'm ashamed to be Russian.

            Do not value nationality, value a person according to his deeds. The spirituality of a person, his actions are the main criterion for assessing a person. And never be ashamed that you are Russian ... if you are really Russian! hi
          2. Andrey Stavropolsky
            Andrey Stavropolsky 8 December 2020 23: 00
            0
            Within the framework of this article, it would look better "Russian to Russian, friend comrade and brother" By this principle, in my opinion, almost all peoples live except ours.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 26
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother"

          Comrade Stalin, the most worthy successor of the work of Jesus Christ, tried to instill this in our society. In general, in ancient Rome they said "Homo hominy lupus est" man is a wolf to man, nothing has changed ...
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 3 December 2020 18: 57
            +3
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Comrade Stalin, the most worthy successor of the work of Jesus Christ, tried to instill this in our society.

            This is a joke, hope?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 December 2020 21: 19
              +1
              Quote: Obliterator
              Comrade Stalin, the most worthy successor of the work of Jesus Christ, tried to instill this in our society.

              This is a joke, hope?

              So you find some Truth in this ?? laughing
              1. Obliterator
                Obliterator 3 December 2020 22: 36
                +1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                So you find some Truth in this ??

                No, well, I might have scraped up some miserable couple of percent, all the same, training in theological seminary does not pass without a trace for anyone. But otherwise ....
    4. bandabas
      bandabas 3 December 2020 08: 29
      0
      [media = https: //yandex.ru/video/preview/? text = go + follow + me + 72 + meters & path = wizard & parent-reqid = 1606973716221652-402142070380656260800163-production-app-host-vla-web-yp-305 & wiz_type = vital & filmId = 11437388516256253298 & url = http% 3A% 2F% 2Fok.ru% 2Fvideo% 2F1560101654921] Unlike the Naglo-Saxons, we in Russia (USSR, Russian Empire, Russia) have always treated interracial marriages normally. So the term "melting pot" should be attributed specifically to Russia, and not to the States. And with ideology it is really sad. With "brothers" constantly does not work.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 09: 33
        +13
        Quote: bandabas
        Unlike the Naglo-Saxons, we in Russia (USSR, Russian Empire, Russia) have always had a normal attitude towards interracial marriages.

        As for the USSR, I agree, but even in a nightmare I can't imagine what kind of Countess Yusupova is married to a Japanese or a Negro. And naval officers, I do not know of any cases that one of them would be married to a representative of a non-Caucasian race. Arap of Peter the Great, an exception to the rule.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 09: 43
          +8
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And naval officers, I do not know of any cases that one of them would be married to a representative of a non-Caucasian race.

          A woman on a ship, bad luck! What is your conclusion at all ?!
          The Cossacks married everyone who was close by and nothing, no one accuses them of being non-Russian. hi
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 10: 08
            +9
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            The Cossacks married everyone who was close by and nothing, no one accuses them of being non-Russian.

            Perhaps you will be surprised, but the Cossacks themselves did not mix with "men", "Ukrainians" and other "foreigners".
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            What is your conclusion at all ?!

            In addition to the fact that the Russians were not and are not "natural internationalists," under the tsar, the indigenous peoples of the north were sorely tormented, for example, the peoples of Central Asia were not given a penny. The Jewish question in RI is a separate topic altogether. Only the Soviet government gave true equality to the peoples in the USSR.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 3 December 2020 10: 34
              -5
              "Only the Soviet government gave true equality to the peoples in the USSR." The expulsion of entire nations under Stalin is the clearest example of this. am
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 10: 41
                +4
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                "Only the Soviet government gave true equality to the peoples in the USSR." The expulsion of entire nations under Stalin is the clearest example of this.

                Well, yes, yes, will you continue to quote the magazine "Ogonyok"? Read the documents of that era, about the Crimean Tatars, for example, or about the Chechens.
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 3 December 2020 11: 26
                  -5
                  Similarly, read the documents about the establishment of Soviet power in the Baltic states, western Ukraine, about decossackization ...
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    Similarly, read the documents about the establishment of Soviet power in the Baltic states, western Ukraine, about decossackization ...

                    from the same source? smile "Ogonyok" in the 80s is the mouthpiece of Perestroika !! he will find you any information ...
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 19: 35
                    +7
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    Similarly, read the documents about the establishment of Soviet power in the Baltic states, western Ukraine, about decossackization ...

                    Don't confuse the class struggle and the national question.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 11
                +11
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                The expulsion of entire nations under Stalin is the clearest example of this.

                And what happened after Stalin, too lazy to remember? Restoration of Tashkent, Spitak, for example
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 3 December 2020 11: 27
                  -3
                  Sumgait was also there.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 43
                    +5
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    Sumgait was also there.

                    There was, but there was also Tashkent. Or dispute? There was everything
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 32
                    +5
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    Sumgait was also there.

                    Sumgayit is already Perestroika .. this is Gorby and company. do not confuse
                    1. Sergey Valov
                      Sergey Valov 3 December 2020 19: 20
                      +1
                      What does perestroika have to do with it? Interethnic strife has been accumulating for centuries and decades, the Bolsheviks did not destroy it, but extinguished external manifestations with the threat of repression. As soon as their power weakened (and perestroika is the reduction of the communists), the old sores came out.
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 3 December 2020 21: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        Interethnic strife has been accumulating for centuries and decades, the Bolsheviks did not destroy it, but extinguished external manifestations with the threat of repression.

                        conflicts are between nations, between people, there are so many divorces .... The Bolsheviks, at the beginning of the path, had a goal. Under which the ideology was created, and where the work was at the level, conflicts disappeared. As the party apparatus turned into a bourgeois layer, Ideology turned into Dogma, and the special services helped to flare up conflicts
                    2. Sergey Valov
                      Sergey Valov 3 December 2020 19: 27
                      0
                      I personally witnessed such a scene, the action took place in Moscow in the second half of the 80s - a father, a colonel of the Soviet army, a Ukrainian, says to his son, a preschooler - when you grow up, we'll take a Kalashnikov assault rifle and go kill Muscovites. This is the question of interethnic strife and the great community of the "Soviet people".
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 3 December 2020 21: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Sergey Valov
                        when you grow up, we'll take a Kalashnikov assault rifle and go kill Muscovites.

                        I had such an episode, in 1993 I met a classmate at the institute - great bro!
                        - what kind of brother am I? tyzh Moskal! It was very unpleasant
            2. bairat
              bairat 3 December 2020 11: 33
              +4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Only the Soviet government gave true equality to the peoples in the USSR.

              And there is. Before the revolution, Tatars were second-class people in the empire.
              1. ghby
                ghby 3 December 2020 12: 19
                +7
                Quote: bairat
                And there is. Before the revolution, Tatars were second-class people in the empire.

                Shirinsky-Shikhmatovs, Yusupovs, etc. second-class people ?! Oh well.
                1. bairat
                  bairat 3 December 2020 12: 32
                  -1
                  They all converted to Orthodoxy.
                  1. ghby
                    ghby 3 December 2020 12: 36
                    +9
                    Quote: bairat
                    They all converted to Orthodoxy.

                    and ceased to be Tatars?
                    1. bairat
                      bairat 3 December 2020 12: 52
                      +1
                      No, they haven't stopped. They are rare exceptions, the bulk remained in Mohammedanism.
                    2. awdrgy
                      awdrgy 3 December 2020 23: 45
                      +2
                      They became Russians of Tatar origin. This is a very important point.
                    3. awdrgy
                      awdrgy 3 December 2020 23: 50
                      +1
                      Anecdote in the subject- On the moon in a bar 4 men meet a bottle over a bottle One is a sleepwalker, the second is a sleepwalker of Martian origin, the third is a sleepwalker of a Venusian origin. Fourth, I'm an earthling. All amicably, and why drink with you ?!
                  2. Overlock
                    Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 43
                    +33
                    Quote: bairat
                    They all converted to Orthodoxy.

                    and they became Russians?
                  3. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 3 December 2020 22: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: bairat
                    They all converted to Orthodoxy.

                    German woman Catherine the Great also converted to Orthodoxy. It's not about religion hi And in the sense of statehood.
                2. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 22: 21
                  +4
                  Quote: ghby
                  Shirinsky-Shikhmatovs, Yusupovs, etc. second-class people ?! Oh well.

                  They were nobles, not to be confused with the common people. Every nation had its own nobles, who were the mainstay of the royal power.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 33
                +8
                Quote: bairat
                And there is. Before the revolution, Tatars were second-class people in the empire

                Russian peasants generally off-grade meat were .... not people at all. And among the Tatars, well-known princes were
                1. bairat
                  bairat 3 December 2020 20: 21
                  -4
                  If you are not Christ, then there was no way beyond the elementary school at the mosque.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 3 December 2020 21: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: bairat
                    If you are not Christ, then there was no way beyond the elementary school at the mosque.

                    In tsarist Russia, there was a law on the percentage rate, which ordered, based on the results of examinations, to take into account the percentage of a particular nationality when admitting to educational institutions. damage to excellent students.
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 3 December 2020 22: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: bairat
                    If you are not Christ, then there was no way beyond the elementary school at the mosque.

                    My grandfathers, Ukrainian and Russian, graduated from the parish school. They barely knew how to write clumsily. If you are not famous and not rich, there was no way to anyone.
            3. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 12: 17
              +6
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Only the Soviet government gave true equality to the peoples in the USSR.

              I agree with you ... small peoples who actively participated in the peasant wars of Stepan Razin and Yemelyan Pugachev, on the side of the rebels. You can, for example, recall the novel by the white emigrant Ivan Nazhivin "Stepan Razin"
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 41
            +34
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            The Cossacks married everyone who was close by and nothing, no one accuses them of being non-Russian.

            Suffice it to recall "Quiet Don" by Sholokhov: how the Cossacks treated the proletariat. And this feeling gave them the moral right to lash them with whips and chop them with checkers. This is how the Civil War began
      2. Escobar
        Escobar 3 December 2020 11: 01
        +2
        Maybe because someone from overseas invests well in Russophobia. "Divide and rule". A trivial example is Ukraine. Turning to the west and breaking off trade relations with Russia, we had to urgently look for a replacement for Ukrainian turbines, without which warships could not be handed over to the Navy, replacement of helicopter engines supplied from Motor Sich, all these are additional costs and lost time.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 16
          +10
          Quote: Eskobar
          A trivial example is Ukraine. Turning west

          Where did the "best" diplomats look for 30 years? Where did our Supreme Power look? What did it, our government, offer to Ukrainians, ordinary people, not swindlers? - The idea of ​​further plunder of the population and the growth of social injustice? Remember, almost no one went to AntiMaidan, unlike the Maidan. Why? This answer will be the answer to the "turn" of Ukraine. Don't blame the mirror. ...
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 45
            +35
            Quote: Silvestr
            Where did the "best" diplomats look for 30 years? Where did our Supreme Power look?

            looked into their wallets. What did Chernomrydin answer about his role as ambassador to Ukraine? - To control the pipe. So we got it under control
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 December 2020 18: 35
          0
          Quote: Eskobar
          Maybe because someone from overseas invests well in Russophobia.

          yes, and they also actively use rod theory. Why buy people when you can buy a leader ???
    5. Doccor18
      Doccor18 3 December 2020 08: 47
      +3
      I would also add that the Anglo-Saxons have quite clear and down-to-earth goals: bend everyone, live well, due to the fact that everyone else is living badly.
      The rulers of the Slavic countries had very great goals, but at the same time, vague and almost utopian: universal unification, common prosperity ... But how to translate this into reality ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 09: 46
        +7
        Quote: Doccor18
        The rulers of the Slavic countries had very great goals, but at the same time, vague and almost utopian: universal unification, common prosperity ... But how to translate this into reality ...

        Something I do not remember the prosperity of the Commonwealth, except for the magnates. The Zaporozhian Cossacks did not just booze that they entered into an alliance with non-Slavic Tatars.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 3 December 2020 11: 18
          -3
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Something I do not remember the prosperity of the Commonwealth, except for the magnates

          Stefan Bathory
          wheat trade with the West.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 23
          +5
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          The Zaporozhian Cossacks didn’t just get busted that they were already with non-Slavic Tatars

          Khmelnytsky together with the Crimean Khan of Poles cut - a well-known fact
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 46
        +34
        Quote: Doccor18
        bend everyone, live well, due to the fact that everyone else is living badly.

        from their point of view, normal. Doesn't the consumer attitude that we have formed have these goals? Remember our officials stealing without fatigue. They're stealing ours.
      3. Kisa
        Kisa 3 December 2020 19: 14
        +4
        you correctly mentioned the main criterion - life is one and you want to live it now. my parents were thrown into life by the great Juche ideas about justice for brotherhood and a great future ... only there was no toilet paper ...
        economy and welfare are the magnet. 12 German-Austro-Prussian-Hungarian principalities to Bismarck - rolled into a pancake twice in one century, and the Germans merged again and again rule
        bend everyone to live well - this is such a modern strategy of the Kremlin in relation to the regions beyond the Urals until the latter scatter from there
    6. Boris55
      Boris55 3 December 2020 08: 57
      -14%
      Quote: Svarog
      The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, a plan and an ideology ...

      Naglo-Saks have concept - their idea of ​​the structure of the World, described in the Bible:
      - Old Testament - instructions for the enslavement of the World;
      - New Testament - instructions for keeping him in obedience.

      Quote: Svarog
      We don't have that ..

      Russia has its own concept - COB (Concept Public Security), in every possible way discredited by the now dominant.

      About ideology.
      The task of any ideology is to hide the goals of the dominant concept. Ideologies that do not fit into the framework of the dominant concept are hushed up, discredited, destroyed into the flesh until the leaders of their carriers are eliminated.

      Parties are the bearers of ideologies.
      We have this:
      * EP - ideology of exploitation of man by man;
      * Communist Party of the Russian Federation - a gloomy ideology;
      * Liberal Democratic Party - liberal democratic ideology;
      * etc..

      The party that won the majority in the Duma, through the adoption of laws, implements the ideas (ideology) of its party. This ideology is in fact state... The people, through elections (with all the nuances), have a completely democratic change in the country's ideology by voting for another party in the elections.

      Calls and hints that we need a state ideology come from the United Russia. It is she who in the Duma will appoint the state ideology and will be the greatest naivete to think that she will appoint the ideology of another party.

      Output.
      All who stand up for a state ideology call for the ideology of the United Russia Party to become such - the exploitation of man by man, in order to deprive the people of the right to choose one or another ideology (party).

      ps
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 3 December 2020 09: 13
        +15
        Russia has its own concept - KOB (Public Security Concept), which is discredited in every possible way by the dominant one.

        Now Russia does not even have a concept ... much less ideology. Now we play by the rules of the west. This game has been imposed on us since the time of Grozny .. since that time they have been constantly trying to rewrite history in order to condemn us to repentance and servility .. Only 70 years have we managed to live in the country free of the Western yoke. And what is the result!
        The closest thing to us is socialist ideology, it just answers the historical demand of society about justice and even spirituality because it is socially oriented .. And it was in the period when this ideology existed that we showed the most outstanding results.
        Another question is that under socialism we had different options for its implementation, and starting with Khrushchev, mistakes began to accumulate. Any model should develop, and most importantly, have the opportunity for development. The cap model has now come to a dead end, the way out of which is poverty and war .. this spiral will always continue and with each turn will bring trouble to humanity. The conclusion is that it is vitally important to return to a socially oriented state, having previously performed serious work on mistakes.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 3 December 2020 09: 30
          -8
          Quote: Svarog
          Russia doesn't even have a concept

          Russia has a concept that opposes the Biblical one - this is the COB, developed in the early 80s by one of the Leningrad institutes on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU to counter the Biblical concept, to counter the growing influence of Western ideologies on Soviet society. By the time this task was completed, a hunchback was already sitting in the Kremlin, who did not need her. So that the work of scientists would not be wasted, it was decided to distribute it among the people.

          Quote: Svarog
          This game has been imposed on us since the time of Grozny ..

          In the first century, Andrew the First-Called, not called by anyone, came to Russia and presented a new concept of the structure of the World. Russia did not accept it, but did not present its own either. As a result, by the 10th century the Biblical concept took possession of the minds of princes and many wise men ... From this moment on, the Biblical concept of the construction of the World is imposed on us. Opposition to it is constantly going on and echoes of this are in the presence of both the ROC and the RPSTs.

          Quote: Svarog
          Khrushchev's mistakes began to accumulate.

          These weren't mistakes. It was their idea of ​​the World, which they systematically put into practice. This can be expressed in the words of one of the leaders of the uprising: "Let us kill all the landowners and boyars, and we ourselves will become landowners and boyars." In the 90s, their dream came true ...

          ps
          Concept above ideologies. First, we decide how we will live (concept), then we agitate others for it (ideology).
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 December 2020 10: 06
            -3
            Quote: Boris55
            Russia has a concept that opposes the Biblical one - this is the KOB, developed in the early 80s by one of the Leningrad institutes on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU to counter the Biblical concept, to counter the growing influence of Western ideologies

            For this, it was not necessary to invent a bicycle, but to continue the line of the party and I.V. Stalin, and the Khrushchev-Brezhnev concept led only to the collapse of the USSR. She drove slowly and confidently, as we got in 1991. The collapse of the country, the hatred of everyone for everyone, and for everything. The concept of the destruction of Russia outlined after the October Revolution found a breeding ground after 1953, and 38 years later the country collapsed like a house of cards. But Russia survived, rose from the ashes. And now the West is again waging a war against Russia, and victory in this war will depend only on the Russian people.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 3 December 2020 12: 48
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              Russia has a concept that opposes the Biblical one - this is the COB, developed in the early 80s by one of the Leningrad institutes on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU to counter the Biblical concept, to counter the growing influence of Western ideologies on Soviet society. By the time this task was completed, a hunchback was already sitting in the Kremlin, who did not need her. So that the work of scientists would not be wasted, it was decided to distribute it among the people.

              Dear Boris! Again you have taken up your propaganda of your COB!
              We already corresponded on this topic in December 2018. And I sent you mine official NEGATIVE review "DEAD WATER" and its place in society " from 1993 on the antiscientific philosophical component of your concept of BER according to its primary source "Dead water" of the Conceptual Predictor of Russia.
              In my 32-page review, I set out in detail the methodological errors of scientific philosophy and the sophistic tricks of the authors of the COBR concept (Russia).
              And you still want the anti-scientific ideology of the KOB to become the state ideology in Russia!

              The propagandists of the KOB are a political boujoise-ideological SECT for the Russian people!
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 3 December 2020 16: 13
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                In a 32-page review
                It would be interesting to read.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 3 December 2020 16: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: sniperino
                  It would be interesting to read.

                  Write me your email address in PM, because the review will not be included in the PM. I'll send.
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                  2. kalibr
                    kalibr 3 December 2020 18: 26
                    -2
                    And the hunt for you was 32 pages that spitting is not worth it?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 3 December 2020 18: 46
                      0
                      Quote: kalibr
                      And the hunt for you was 32 pages that spitting is not worth it?

                      Ideological concepts should in society undergo a scientifically sound examination in time for their internal logical consistency and determine which political classes and countries they work for - i.e. who and what they serve - in order to determine the national security of their implementation for the country as a guide to action, before they are implemented as a STATE ideology.
                      Otherwise, the state will be destroyed with historical inevitability, and the country will lose its national sovereignty. Those. falls apart and ends up under foreign dependence and external control.
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 3 December 2020 18: 49
                        0
                        I would just throw a box of church candles to the author of the "concept" and with a lot of noise would condemn him for a couple of years for their theft. A person would be cured of unnatural concepts for the rest of the time! And you wouldn't have to dirty 32 pages. The forests are coming to naught!
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 3 December 2020 17: 23
                  0
                  I sent it. The transfer worked the second time.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 3 December 2020 17: 57
                    0
                    Thank you!
              2. Boris55
                Boris55 4 December 2020 08: 09
                -1
                Quote: Tatiana
                We already corresponded on this topic in December 2018.

                And they came to the conclusion that you were using an unreliable source, which was most likely slipped to you, because of which your conclusions were not correct.

                Quote: Tatiana
                COB is a political boujoise-ideological SECT

                Signs of a sect, can you name? The BER defines the signs of a sect as:

                - The presence of esoteric and exoteric teachings, which in Russian means: in a sect there is always a teaching for the crowd and a teaching for the elite - dedicated hierarchs.
                - The presence of certain dogmas of the doctrine, which are not subject to discussion and should be accepted by adherents of the doctrine as true without any doubt or reasoning.
                - The presence of a ritual that accompanies any meeting of representatives of the sect and is actually a means of zombifying their psyche.
                - The existence of an arbitrarily branched hierarchy, which is strictly forbidden to enter into a dispute with which according to the main dogmas of the sect’s teachings.
                - Since the teachings of the sect are based on dogmas that are not subject to discussion, then there is no place for the formation of a personal culture of mastering new knowledge (there is no method of mastering) and a meaningful attitude to Life by conscience.

                KOB - these are books, just like, say, books in the Bible. Can a book be called a sect?

                Quote: Tatiana
                for the Russian people!

                The concept of Public Security is not only for Russians, it is for everyone and therefore is called not national, for any one nation, but public - for everyone.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 4 December 2020 10: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  And they came to the conclusion that you were using an unreliable source, which was most likely slipped to you, because of which your conclusions were not correct.

                  Nothing of the kind - did not come! On the contrary, this is either you yourself or WRONG information on the creation of the KOB ideology and its origins. Either you in their sophistic (erroneously conscious) theorizing did not understand anything.
                  And now absolutely nothing has changed in philosophy in the KOB of Russia! Just as the KOB apologists DID NOT OWN the most perfect methodology of philosophy - the dialectical-materialist method - they still do not own it! Everything they have in methodology of philosophy is at the level of SOPHISTIC RELATIVISM on the basis of idealization and metaphysics.
                  The anti-scientific justification of OBJECTIVE REALITY alone in the COB is worth it! Namely.
                  “Lenin's definition of matter:“ matter is a philosophical category to designate an objective reality that is given to a person in his sensations, which is copied, photographed, displayed by our sensations, existing independently of them, ”is a tautology. It is equivalent to the following identity: "matter" = "objective reality". "Objective reality", in turn, is the Universe, that is, the universe as a whole "
                  .Here, the COB contains the grossest elementary formal-logical error of the COBR authors.
                  Lenin's "matter" and "objective reality" - not a tautology, but different concepts. Namely.

                  V. I. Lenin in his definition of "matter" as "Objective reality" writes unequivocally: "matter is a philosophical category for DESIGNATION ...". This is all akin to the following example:
                  Sounds we hear and pronounce.
                  The letters we see and write.
                  Letters are a symbol for sound.
                  The same sound in different languages ​​has different designations - different letters. In Morse code, sound is indicated by dots and dashes.
                  In the same way, in all philosophical methods, philosophical categories are a kind of proper letters for the symbolic designation of various phenomena.
                  For example, each philosophical method has its own philosophical category to denote objective reality:
                  • for Marx's method, it is “matter”;
                  • for Hegel's method, it is an “absolute idea”;
                  • in religion - it is "the creation of God's hands";
                  • and in the author's method of the Internal Predictor of the USSR / Russia based on the work "Dead Water", which is the basis of the worldview of the KOB of Russia, - it is a scientifically untenable "trinity process: matter, information, measure."

                  Under this sophisticated "shop" modern "priests" of the KOB of Russia can shove into the heads of their adherents, like a sect, whatever the "priests" of KOB (R) want! And shove it in!

                  Well, how can I agree with this ?!
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 4 December 2020 11: 04
                    0
                    An attempt by the anonymous authors of the BER to derive their own philosophical method based on the “process-trinity; matter, information, measure " indicates that for its research method they choose and use the methods of some other, specific scientific disciplines, which he does not name in his work and about which one can only guess. Analysis shows that this particular scientific discipline is "cybernetics" with the underlying information theory and control theory in particular.
                    However, the work "Dead Water" does not say that anonymous authors borrow the particular scientific method into their philosophical method, because then it will be impossible for the authors to stand in science above modern philosophy in general and ahead of all science.
                  2. Boris55
                    Boris55 5 December 2020 08: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    it is a scientifically untenable "trinity process: matter, information, measure."

                    Maybe because you don't understand him? An example to understand:

                    Sand in a sandbox is matter... Molds for sculpting Easter cakes are measurewhich endows matter information - bunnies, squirrels, hippos, etc. what measure, then it turns out. When a child grows up and begins to build castles on the sand, then his measure is in his head, how much he owns information about the castle, he gets such a castle ... Matter transforms with information... It is impossible to separate them.


                    (energy, space, time are one and the same, this is a measure)

                    The theory of Marxism-Leninism led not only the country to collapse, but also to the collapse of the entire socialist movement in the world. Stalin's behest to abandon obscurity and create a new theory - you, communists, have not fulfilled. You have not yet presented to the World your concept of building the World, but in every possible way you oppose the concept opposed to the Biblical one and this suggests thoughts ...

                    The book "Dead Water" is out of date and can only be viewed from a historical point of view. KOB, in contrast to the teachings of Marx, to whom the communists still worship, is not a dogmatic teaching. It is dead water because the written word is dead, starting from the last point in the written word.

                    ps
                    And you did not answer the question about the sect. So could a book, say Capital, be a sect?
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 5 December 2020 11: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Stalin's behest to abandon obscurity and create a new theory - you, communists, have not fulfilled. You have not yet presented to the World your concept of building the World, but in every possible way you oppose the concept opposed to the Biblical one and this suggests thoughts ...

                      This does not mean that the erroneous Marxist-Leninist theory must be replaced with your scientifically untenable theory, which will lead to nothing but the further destruction of our country.
                      Nafig, I personally need a new anti-scientific absurd nonsense of your COBR, for which you, having come to power, will again shoot people - your opponents! Because your evidence is false!
                      The teachings of COBR are the same Zionist sabotage-utopia against the Russian people and their statehood - against Russia - as well as the teaching of the classics of the metal. theories about the withering away of the state.

                      Check m / d. theory for its correspondence to the dialectical-Marxist method and find ERRORS in it the way a teacher checks a student's solution to examples and problems in mathematics. Mistakes are there and lie on the surface, but they are not at all the same as you tell the young people about them who take your word for it. B with dirty water in m / l. theories you throw out the child in your COBR!
                      I told your Zaznobin directly in the eyes in the presence of outside listeners at the meeting that he personally and all the members of the Internal Predictor of the USSR / Russia do not know the methodology in philosophy - they do not understand philosophical methods and, most importantly, do not know the dialectical-materialist method, they do not know Lenin's works well, that is why they drive their anti-scientific ideological delirium, like sectarians, to the masses. He had nothing to answer.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      The book "Dead Water" is out of date and can only be viewed from a historical point of view.
                      Then admit that the concept of COB is not scientifically a universal worldview concept, that it is erroneous and represents only the private opinion of officers who have not completed their studies in universities in philosophical knowledge.
                      But you've been driving your bullshit further for 30 years! The members of your anonymous Internal Predictor of the USSR / Russia have already grown old and passed away, and everything is still there - in an unscientific basement!
                      Quote: Boris55
                      And you did not answer the question about the sect. So could a book, say Capital, be a sect?
                      This is not about the book as such, but about the teaching that determines the worldview of society, which lays in the brains of people a program of behavior as a guide to action.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 5 December 2020 12: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        This is not about the book as such, but about the teaching that determines the worldview of society, which lays in the brains of people a program of behavior as a guide to action.

                        Any book, any information, any word - there is control.
                        Glossism has fully demonstrated its inconsistency in practice.

                        If we talk about who the sect is, then it is you who are admirers of Marx. The following signs of the sect fully concern you and in no case BER:

                        - The presence of esoteric and exoteric teachings, which in Russian means: in a sect there is always a teaching for the crowd and a teaching for the elite - dedicated hierarchs.
                        - The presence of certain dogmas of the doctrine, which are not subject to discussion and should be accepted by adherents of the doctrine as true without any doubt or reasoning.
                        - The presence of a ritual that accompanies any meeting of representatives of the sect and is actually a means of zombifying their psyche.
                        - The existence of an arbitrarily branched hierarchy, which is strictly forbidden to enter into a dispute with which according to the main dogmas of the sect’s teachings.
                        - Since the doctrine of the sect is based on dogmas that are not subject to discussion, there is and cannot be a place in it for the formation of a personal culture of mastering new knowledge (there is no method of mastering) and a meaningful attitude to Life according to conscience.

                        This concludes. You do not convince me, I am you. Everyone will remain with their own mind. hi
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 5 December 2020 12: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Boris55
                        - The presence of esoteric and exoteric teachings, which in Russian means: in a sect there is always a teaching for the crowd and a teaching for the elite - dedicated hierarchs.
                        - The presence of certain dogmas of the doctrine, which are not subject to discussion and should be accepted by adherents of the doctrine as true without any doubt or reasoning.
                        - The presence of a ritual that accompanies any meeting of representatives of the sect and is actually a means of zombifying their psyche.
                        - The existence of an arbitrarily branched hierarchy, which is strictly forbidden to enter into a dispute with which according to the main dogmas of the sect’s teachings.
                        - Since the teachings of the sect are based on dogmas that are not subject to discussion, then there is no place for the formation of a personal culture of mastering new knowledge (there is no method of mastering) and a meaningful attitude to Life by conscience.

                        It is precisely with such sectarian methods - out of thoughtlessness and philosophical illiteracy - that you in your organization with your teachings of the KOB of Russia just work, zombifying people! The West is delighted with you!
                        How can one be so illiterate in the methodology of philosophy when it comes to politics and national security of the country ?! Well, how ?!
                      3. Boris55
                        Boris55 6 December 2020 08: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        How can one be so illiterate in the methodology of philosophy when it comes to politics and national security of the country ?! Well, how ?!

                        And you (not you personally) ask yourself this question, how did you fail to fulfill the task set by Stalin for so many years, from 1952 to the present day: ".. We could tolerate this discrepancy until a certain time, but now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy... "(see my post below).

                        A holy place is never empty. You (not you personally) did not occupy it, others did not occupy it, which proves the inconsistency, ossification of obscurity, its inability to see the needs of society and foresee the consequences.

                        You (not you personally) remember the people only before the elections. My advice to you (not to you personally). If you do not want to be drained into the toilet of history, renounce the discredited ideology of obscurity. Create a Bolshevik party, go out, at least a week, with your analytics on the Internet. This is the only way you will have a chance to stay in politics in the future.

                        ps
                        You can leave your indignation in my address in a personal. I here have exhausted my limit on posts.
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 December 2020 12: 34
                        0
                        All your COBs are from the "anonymous" Internal Predictor of the USSR / Russia, - were originally officers of either the GRU or the USSR / RF Navy and respectively were members of the CPSU !!!
                        So why did they turn out to be so illiterate in the field of Marxist-Leninist philosophy and could not scientifically correct the mistakes of the m / l theory if they had been doing this since 1988-1993, and instead, the devil went in what sophistic-forged way? Western style?
                        And why did the indication to them of their theoretical errors in 1993 turned out to be members of the "anonymous" composition of the USSR / RF Internal Predictor of the COBR co-organizers stubbornly ignored?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 4 December 2020 08: 19
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        For this, it was not necessary to invent a bicycle, but to continue the line of the party and I.V. Stalin ...

        Everyone knows what the communists have led the country to.
        It is not possible to build heaven on earth on Marxism. That is why, as soon as Stalin was gone, the country went downhill. And by the way, Stalin gave up obscurity, but the communists still do not:

        "... Moreover, I think it is necessary to discard some other concepts taken from" Capital "by Marx, where Marx analyzed capitalism, and artificially glued to our socialist relations. I mean, by the way, such concepts, as "necessary" and "surplus" labor, "necessary" and "surplus" product, "necessary" and "surplus" labor time.
        ... We could tolerate this discrepancy until a certain time, but now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy ... "

        Excerpts from the work: "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR" 1952. - J.V. Stalin.
  2. Overlock
    Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 51
    +29
    Quote: Svarog
    Now Russia does not even have a concept ... much less ideology.

    disagree with you! First, there are 2 Russia: one for the authorities, the elite and the logigarchs, the other for the rest.
    For the first part, the concept is simple - to steal and escape the crime scene, for the second - to survive. Between them there is a layer that has managed to grab something and does not want to be in the second part, and does not pull up to the first. Its value is variable and depends on income. The contradictions between the parts are colossal.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 3 December 2020 18: 51
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      For the first part, the concept is simple - to steal and escape the crime scene, for the second - to survive. Between them there is a layer that has managed to grab something and does not want to be in the second part, and does not pull up to the first. Its value is variable and depends on income. The contradictions between the parts are colossal.

      Lzh wrote about this very well. Orwell in his 1984 novel. Will you find it yourself or give you a part? In the search engine you need to type: THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE 1984 J. Orwell and you will get the desired passage ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 December 2020 09: 55
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    Parties are the bearers of ideologies.
    We have this:
    * EP - ideology of exploitation of man by man;
    * Communist Party of the Russian Federation - a gloomy ideology;
    * Liberal Democratic Party - liberal democratic ideology;

    Ideology never unites either a state or a group of states. The state is united by the forming people. As it was during the Second World War, this whole state was united by the Russian people, and for it the first toast was raised by the first toast IV Stalin "I raise a toast to the Russian people !!!"
    And about how the ideology united the entire USSR and Eastern Europe, we all see now, when the country collapsed. And only one hatred of Russia and the Russian people remained from the unification.
    Excuse me, comrade, but "Scientific Communism", which was taught in universities, has gone into oblivion.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 December 2020 10: 28
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      about how the ideology united the entire USSR and Eastern Europe, we all see now, when the country collapsed. And only one hatred of Russia and the Russian people remained from the unification.

      You are deeply mistaken .. hatred for Russia and especially for the Russian people is only among the Western pro-Pagan and their curators .. Recently, a survey was conducted among the East Germans .. they speak with nostalgia and love about the period when they belonged to a socialist state .. And so the same with the rest. I had occasion to communicate with Georgians and Kazakhs on this topic .. there is no hatred there .. There is a part of the population who fell under the skating rink of propagandists-nationalists .. but this is a very small part ..
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 December 2020 11: 13
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        I had occasion to communicate with Georgians and Kazakhs on this topic .. there is no hatred there.

        And I happened to see how in 2008 the same Georgians killed the Russian people in Georgia without hesitation, and who knows in what year they will start killing us. After the collapse of the USSR, not a single Russian was killed only in Belarus and Estonia. The seeds sown by "Prometheus" sprouted.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 December 2020 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And I happened to see how in 2008 the same Georgians killed Russians without hesitation

          So I'll tell you more .. in 2014, in general, Russians began to kill Russians .. but this is all a consequence of the victory of the Anglo-Saxons and the surrender of the country's leadership to its own interests. And if this continues, then similar problems will begin inside the country.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 56
            +32
            Quote: Svarog
            in 2014, in general, Russians began to kill Russians ..

            and continue to this day.
          2. Piligrim
            Piligrim 3 December 2020 16: 45
            0
            Don't you think that the Anglo-Saxons themselves became victims of ... a biblical project? Maybe you are placing the source in the wrong place?
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 19: 28
          0
          only in Belarus and Estonia.
          Nobody was killed in Latvia or Lithuania either.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 29
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        I have communicated with Georgians and Kazakhs on this topic ... there is no hatred there

        There is no hatred, but there is no love either. What about Ukraine and Belarus? Do many love us there? We are not losing territory, we are losing people! By encouraging Lukashenka to terror, do we win the sympathy of Belarusians? - According to the latest poll, they began to love us by 11% less
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 December 2020 13: 39
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Svarog
          I have communicated with Georgians and Kazakhs on this topic ... there is no hatred there

          There is no hatred, but there is no love either. What about Ukraine and Belarus? Do many love us there? We are not losing territory, we are losing people! By encouraging Lukashenka to terror, do we win the sympathy of Belarusians? - According to the latest poll, they began to love us by 11% less

          So I am about the same, politics has not changed .. Russian policy is in step with the interests of the West .. Is it in our interests to be at enmity with the Ukrainians? Do the common people want this enmity? Haven't lived 70 years in perfect harmony .. and generally divide Ukrainians, Belarusians .. in my opinion we are one people.
          And the whipping up of hatred will continue as long as the Gauleiters are in power.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 55
        +31
        Quote: Svarog
        You are deeply mistaken .. hatred for Russia and especially for the Russian people is only among the Western Pagan and their curators ..

        disagree. It is being transposed, at the everyday level, from the existing Russian state to the Russian people.
        Let's remember Ukraine - Russians are at war with Russians
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 December 2020 14: 20
          +2
          Quote: Overlock
          It is being transposed, at the everyday level, from the existing Russian state to the Russian people.

          Everything is correct. But where does it come from? Who sows enmity?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 26
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    The people, through elections (with all the nuances), have a completely democratic change in the country's ideology,

    With voting completely controlled on a national scale, massive falsification, and barriers to dissent? - Not funny. We are constantly offered to make a choice between the fractions of the same substance
  • sniperino
    sniperino 3 December 2020 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    - Old Testament - instruction ...;
    - New Testament - instruction ...
    Only after the appearance of the second "instruction" did the Jewish state disappear for something for many centuries. Is the Qur'an also an instruction?
    1. Piligrim
      Piligrim 3 December 2020 16: 52
      0
      What don't you like? Instruction is a normal modern word, now everyone communicates like a robot with a robot ... and therefore an instruction. Only here is the instruction for what? Maybe you should at least once carefully read this "instruction" and it will be clear that the Sermon on the Mount ... it also calls on a modern robot to become a Man. And who wants to bother with flashing and upgrading ... all now ideal designs and upgrades are not subject to ... the truth is rusted
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 3 December 2020 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Piligrim
        Instruction is a normal modern word
        My question is not in words, but in text.
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 3 December 2020 19: 11
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    Parties are the bearers of ideologies.
    We have this:
    * EP - ideology of exploitation of man by man;
    * Communist Party of the Russian Federation - a gloomy ideology;
    * Liberal Democratic Party - liberal democratic ideology;

    In theory, of course. And in fact:
    EP is a party of the bureaucratic class without any ideology;
    Communist Party - only the image of the communist, Lenin and his contemporaries from them would not sit at the same table with anyone;
    The Liberal Democratic Party is not liberals even once.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 December 2020 09: 44
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, a plan and an ideology ... We do not have that.

    They don't have a goal and a plan that brings them together.
    Five countries are Great Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All of them are united by the dominance of the Anglo-Saxon component, the state English language and a common origin.
    They are united by the state forming the people - the "British", as RI and the USSR united the Russian people. After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian people are not a constituent state.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian people are not a constituent state.

      Why?
      The collapsed "mistress of the seas" has not lost its dominance
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 December 2020 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        The collapsed "mistress of the seas" has not lost its dominance

        And why is not clear. Is it not clear that in the USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the state of the forming nation is the Anglo-Saxons. But our ruler did not understand since Khrushchev.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 3 December 2020 12: 44
          +2
          Quote: tihonmarine
          the forming nation is the Anglo-Saxons.

          Here !!!!! hi
          In both Ukraine and Belarus, Russians were the majority. And where is the majority?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 December 2020 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            In both Ukraine and Belarus, Russians were the majority. And where is the majority?

            Because the power of these newly formed states adopted the concept of the state forming the people of the Ukrainians. And it doesn't matter who is more, just as in the USA, Australia, New Zealand there are fewer Anglo-Saxons, and in Canada it is impossible to understand, but 67% speak English. But they are representatives of the united political elite of Great Britain and the United States, as well as other countries of the United Kingdom (the former British Empire) - Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and all immigrants from Britain.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 59
              +31
              Quote: tihonmarine
              the authorities of these newly formed states adopted the concept of the state forming the people of the Ukrainians.

              but the Russians did not oppose it there. Like in the Baltics !. Did the Russians who lived there after the independence of the "three sisters" moved to their homeland? Assimilation of people is taking place, everyone wants to live well. There is nothing wrong with that.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 December 2020 14: 26
                +4
                Quote: Overlock
                Did the Russians who lived there after the independence of the "three sisters" moved to their homeland? Assimilation of people is taking place, everyone wants to live well.

                And where was it to go in 1991, when in the historical homeland everything flew into tram-tarars, and whoever cared about us there would have survived by ourselves, and then there were extra mouths. Where will you go, here is an apartment, and children, and grandchildren, and friends.
                As for assimilation, everyone who lives abroad should understand “you are with us or with them.” In Russian-speaking communities, in mine, so are Russian Tatars, Dagestanis, and Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Iranian, Arab and even Kurdish.
                If the Jews for a thousand years have not lost their identity and their language "Yiddish", and the same Russians who have been living here since the 18th century. I will put it more simply in the words of Turgenev "As a person gets used to everything, so Mu-mu is accustomed to city life."
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 16: 11
                  0
                  and your language "Yiddish"
                  Their language, Hebrew, was practically resurrected from oblivion.
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                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 16: 20
                      0
                      Sephardim spoke Ladino, Ashkenazim spoke Yiddish. Hebrew was in extremely limited use - as a trade code. It was with the rise of Israel that literary Hebrew was revived.
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                  3. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 December 2020 16: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    Their language, Hebrew, was practically resurrected from oblivion.

                    Excuse me, but I did not mean all Jews, but only "galut" Jews.
                  4. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 December 2020 18: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    Their language, Hebrew, was practically resurrected from oblivion.

                    The Hebrew language of the Zionist Jews (from Mount Zion, not to be confused with another word). He was not resurrected, he was, but became only the state language in Israel. Well, they'd better tell us about it, our friends from Israel, they have great knowledge.
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 18: 37
                      0
                      Zionist Jews
                      Mountain Jews or something lol Yes, you need to wait for one of them, they have with their own history all the way.
                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 20: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Mountain Jews or something

                      Mount Zion in Jerusalem, before the XNUMXst century AD BC, Mount Zion was called the Temple Mount. Therefore, the name "Zionists" comes from this mountain, Jews are Zionists, but not to be confused with territorialists.
                    3. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 20: 15
                      0
                      The Zionists seem to support the resettlement of Jews to Israel, this is not an ethnic group. Although I am no peysologist sad maybe I don't know why.
                    4. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 6 December 2020 00: 16
                      0
                      as always, the conversation about the fate of the Russian people turns to the Jews.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 3 December 2020 17: 20
            +30
            Quote: tihonmarine
            themselves would have survived, and then the extra mouths. Where will you go, here is an apartment, and children, and grandchildren, and friends.

            so is LIFE called
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 December 2020 18: 35
              +3
              Quote: Overlock
              so is LIFE called

              What kind of life Gorbachev and Eltsyn arranged for us, it was hard to name, life.
              Although where I lived, and I live now, it was easier, it didn’t come to murders, and it was easier with work. Well, they are accustomed to capitalism, just like us, so are you, and there is no difference.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 3 December 2020 13: 56
    +34
    Quote: tihonmarine
    All of them are united by the dominance of the Anglo-Saxon component, the state English language and a common origin.

    you can't tell more precisely hi
    We profiled it all
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      We profiled it all

      They profuked us, but rather we law-abiding ones, were simply deceived by international swindlers, although the guilt is not removed from us. We still fought somehow, but on August 19 we went to bed in the USSR, and woke up in another state on August 20, 1991.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 3 December 2020 18: 42
        +33
        Quote: tihonmarine
        but on August 19 they went to bed in the USSR, and woke up in another state on August 20, 1991.

        There was a case. They looked at the TV with stunned eyes and could not understand what was happening. It seems that the people also came out in support of Yeltsin, but that's how it happened! And they say that the people are wise
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 December 2020 20: 15
          0
          Quote: Overlock
          It seems that the people also came out in support of Yeltsin, but that's how it happened!

          And we were waiting for him to be grabbed by the trunk, in January 1991, when he handed us over, but Dudayev took him out for which he got a general.
  • Civil
    Civil 3 December 2020 09: 53
    +6
    Well, how, how ...
    1. The Tsar-Father wanted to unite all Slavic peoples in order to amuse his pride and appoint thieves-governors.
    2. But Lenin was able to unite half the world with one realized idea, not like the Slavs.

    How is it now? Why is the Russian oligarch more attractive than the Bulgarian, Slovak or, God forgive me, Ukrainian?
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Civil
      The Tsar-Father wanted to unite all Slavic peoples in order to amuse his pride

      he collected lands under the crown, which from time immemorial did all empires, snatching pieces and influence from each other. What's wrong? Empires abhorred static - this is the meaning of their existence and the "pride" of monarchs.
      Quote: Civil
      But Lenin was able to unite half the world with one realized idea, not like the Slavs.

      he did not combine anything, since the idea remained an idea, nothing more.
      The idea of ​​a "world revolution" died to the sound of the "Internationale".
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 December 2020 11: 34
        -5
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        But Lenin was able to unite half the world with one realized idea, not like the Slavs.

        he did not combine anything, since the idea remained an idea, nothing more.
        The idea of ​​a "world revolution" died to the sound of the "Internationale".

        I agree with you, this is the nonsense of the internationalists, which J.V. Stalin understood and made the Russian people state-forming. The state can exist when there is a priority of the state-forming people. When the Khrushchevs-Brezhnevs-humpbacks-Eltsins left this concept, the Union went into oblivion, and no one from the former peoples of the USSR wants to return to Russia. But I see many people think differently, although life shows otherwise.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 3 December 2020 14: 05
          +33
          Quote: tihonmarine
          when the Khrushchevs-Brezhnevs-Humpbacks-Eltsins left this concept, the Union went into oblivion, and no one from the former peoples of the USSR wants to return to Russia.

          It's that simple. The successor continued this line as well. See how the theory of the "Russian world" proclaimed in the late 90s has shrunk! Because it was based on the "domination" of the Russian state over the little ones. As Putin said earlier? - "The post-Soviet space is a zone of our influence." Now: "Azerbaijan has the right to choose its own friends." A fundamental departure!
          This position was not very popular with the local elite, who wanted equality. And they began to look around.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 3 December 2020 14: 50
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            This position was not very popular with the local elite, who wanted equality.

            You are right, there are local "elites". This is what they have been striving for since 1953, and our rulers followed their lead. I saw all this when in the Estonian SSR where I lived, then all the roads were open to the "national cadre", and our salaries were higher, and when in the RSFSR people stood for meat for hours, or in general they gave rations at the enterprises, then we have everything was free in the store, and the meat is not at the "commercial" price, but at the state price of 1p. 80 kopecks pork, beef 1 rub. 70 kopecks. and lamb 1 rub. 60 kopecks.
      2. Civil
        Civil 3 December 2020 12: 13
        +3
        he collected lands under the crown, which from time immemorial did all empires, snatching pieces and influence from each other. What's wrong? Empires abhorred static - this is the meaning of their existence and the "pride" of monarchs.

        From how much land the empire tsar had by crown - the main population, serfs, there was only one loss, the extortions were increased and the youth were taken for cannon fodder.
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        he did not combine anything, since the idea remained an idea, nothing more.
        The idea of ​​a "world revolution" died to the sound of the "Internationale".

        We are talking about facts, there was a socialist bloc.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 12: 59
          -1
          Quote: Civil
          We are talking about facts, there was a socialist bloc.

          had it not been for the Second World War, there would have been no bloc.
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 3 December 2020 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Civil
      1. The Tsar-Father wanted to unite all Slavic peoples in order to amuse his pride and appoint thieves-governors.

      Pan-Slavic idea
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 33
      +5
      Quote: Civil
      Why is the Russian oligarch more attractive than the Bulgarian, Slovak or, God forgive me, Ukrainian?

      So they say: why change an awl for soap? And they add "Kolosovsky or Medvedchuk, no matter, they are bad, but they are our own. Why do we need Usmanov or Sechin?"
      Rob all the same
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      Why is the Russian oligarch more attractive than the Bulgarian, Slovak or, God forgive me, Ukrainian?

      The oligarchs do not have a nation, it is a cancerous tumor. But "God forgive me," there was also a Russian people, and when they became not Russian, but Ukrainian, they immediately developed hatred of other peoples. But in their country, the Ukrainian people are now forming a state, no matter what they are for us, but their attitude towards us is not fraternal, and in Ukraine they are doing everything so that the Ukrainians are above all.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 3 December 2020 14: 07
        +31
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The oligarchs do not have a nation, it is a cancerous tumor. But "God forgive me," there was also a Russian people, and when they became not Russian, but Ukrainian, they immediately developed hatred of other peoples. But in their country, the Ukrainian people are now forming a state, no matter what they are for us, but their attitude towards us is not fraternal, and in Ukraine they are doing everything so that the Ukrainians are above all.

        Better not say! hi
        When it comes to the "local patriots"! Russia has not lost the territory of Ukraine, it has lost the PEOPLE!
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 16: 34
          -1
          Russia lost not the territory of Ukraine
          And this is the only value.
          she lost a PEOPLE!
          They were not Russians, neither brothers, nor comrades, nor friends, but they were "kents for lard" -you have lard-you kent me wassat Even in emigration about a person, their first question is - is he Ukrainian or not? Such is the micronazism among them.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 3 December 2020 17: 19
            +33
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            They were not Russians, neither brothers, nor comrades, nor friends, but they were "kents for lard" -you have lard-you kent me

            Did you understand what you wrote? Kozhedub and Kovpak fought for fat? 2 thousand Heroes of the USSR-Ukrainians and all for bacon?
            Know comments
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 17: 24
              -1
              Know comments
              No comments, actually. tongue And how many Ukrainians were in the caches right up to the 50s, and how many did they carry the same fat (and information) into the forest, and how many police officers? As if not the majority, let's be honest. And who happily rushed to destroy the Jews as soon as it became "legal" during the occupation? And if the Germans did not behave like animals, there would be even more of them.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 3 December 2020 17: 56
                +31
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                And how many Ukrainians were in the caches right up to the 50s, and how many did they carry the same fat (and information) into the forest, and how many police officers? As if not the majority, let's be honest.

                then, to be honest, how many Russians were there in Vlasov's army? - More than 300 thousand! Your cap is not tight for you? Are you going to shoot all the Russians now? And the fact that 7 thousand Heroes of the Union are Russian, where?
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 18: 04
                  0
                  You don't need to shoot anyone. Deal with your traitors, and strangers - on the farm from the beach and that's it. By the way, the Soviet Ukrainians said that there was no need to feed Moscow, but with our industrial potential (where did it come from?) To become a second France. And it was the soviet Ukrainians-"isroiks" who distributed books (gray brochures) to schools throughout the year in 91 where they pointed out that Kievan Rus and Moksha were not on the way, and the Kuban and Belgorod regions should be taken. I myself remember these pamphlets. (Head of studies-historian Violetta Pavlovna, member of the CPSU, wassat transferring the blooms)
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 3 December 2020 20: 01
                0
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                And how many Ukrainians in caches up to 50s

                Sorry, but it was the Ukrainians who holed in the caches, But not the Little Russians.
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 20: 03
                  +1
                  Little Russians are now loyal to Russia and not to Kiev. But the state-forming nation in Ukraine is Ukrainians.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 3 December 2020 20: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    But the state-forming nation in Ukraine is Ukrainians.

                    Rather, it has seized power.
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 20: 27
                      0
                      No, they had a lot of nationalists even during the Soviet Union. Not from Mars, they flew in 91m smile ... And they were in the party, and they did not forget about the great Ukrainians. With a fig in a pocket we went through life. I told you once - they live in England, they hate England and the British, and they also serve up for benefits (if legally in the country). It's the same in Poland. And by the way, already in Lithuania, as my friends told me.
                    2. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 20: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      And they were in the party, and they did not forget about the great Ukrainianity.

                      Well, the same "good boy" Lenya, to what heights he reached in the Communist Party. Khrushchev saved them from destruction.
                    3. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 20: 44
                      0
                      And you think he was the only one laughing What kind of pop is such a parish. fellow
                    4. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 23: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      And you think that he was the only one like that. What kind of pop is that and the arrival.

                      It was a clearly organized organization (there is no one in the net), the struggle was successful, but when it came to "bothering", the brain of the OUN, then at the direction of Khrushchev, the struggle was stopped. All departments for the fight against banditry and parts of the NKVD were dispersed. The head of counterintelligence in the Lviv region was removed on the personal instructions of Khrushchev. My uncle, the battalion commander of the KRK, was also, like many other counterintelligence officers who went through the whole war, specialists in the fight against terror from God.
                      The entire organization went underground and is still alive.
                    5. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 23: 41
                      +1
                      And without the support of not the entire population, but a significant part of it, they would not have been able to exist for so long in their caches.
                    6. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 4 December 2020 10: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      And without the support of not the entire population, but a significant part of it, they would not have been able to exist for so long in their caches.

                      It was easy to do. I know very well on the example of Estonia, where all the relatives and those who helped the "forest brothers" were exiled to the Urals. A year later, the banditry stopped. But in Galicia everything was organized with the assistance of SD, SS, etc. very competently, and the entire top and middle link of the "bespeki" did not sit in the caches, and as soon as the KRK began to destroy the "bespeki", for some reason, Khrushchev ordered an end to the struggle, and informed the top about the elimination of the OUN / UPA. The fire was gone and the coals were smoldering. And the coals were the catalyst for the fire. What we now see.
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 3 December 2020 19: 29
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    The oligarchs do not have a nation, it is a cancerous tumor.

    At the same time, business elites differ in different countries. I'm not sure that American, British or German merchants were so impudent as to shamelessly rob the state for the state. contracts, as the Russians did during WWI.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 3 December 2020 16: 45
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    Russian oligarch
    Name at least one and, most importantly, as you probably learned that he runs the state. Or you pass off rumors and your beliefs as truth, to say the least.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 3 December 2020 10: 01
    +3
    The Anglo-Saxons have ... ideology

    Absolutely correct! It is ideology that is the basis on which the Anglo-Saxons unite.
    Even Hegel said: the idea rules the world. The Anglo-Saxons just demonstrate the presence of an idea that allows them to unite. Ideology is the form in which the idea is conveyed to a specific individual - the Anglo-Saxon.
    The task of Russia is to put forward an idea that would be as attractive to the Slavs as the idea of ​​the Anglo-Saxons. While there is no such idea, there is no unity of the Slavs.
    By the way. A great idea can be accepted by Orthodox Slavs, Catholic Slavs, and Muslim Slavs. The main question: when will such a Slavic idea appear !?
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 16: 37
      0
      Absolutely correct
      And what is their official ideology, please?
  • lucul
    lucul 3 December 2020 11: 03
    -5
    The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, a plan and an ideology

    And most importantly, their kings were circumcised)))
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 3 December 2020 14: 45
      0
      And they still do. Only circumcision is done to determine if a boy has hemophilia or not.
      There is no political and religious component here.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 15: 15
      0
      Quote: lucul
      And most importantly, their kings were circumcised)))

      Sorry, I was not allowed to see the royal persons, so I doubt it.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 3 December 2020 12: 44
    -1
    we have everything))) just not the time))) if you are not familiar))) it's up to you!
  • krops777
    krops777 3 December 2020 14: 26
    -1
    The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, there is a plan and there is an ideology ... We do not have this .. The desire to earn money or heat cannot unite people .. An idea, a common goal can unite .. When all this appears with us, then there will be unification .. only I would not divide into Slavs and non-Slavs ..



    Are they united? It's like looking at if there is some kind of war or misfortune (pandemic cataclysms) there is unity and does not smell, but to heat it up and to rob such an essence from them, profit from someone else's grief with us exactly the opposite.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 December 2020 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: krops777
      we have exactly the opposite.

      What do we have? Soviet people, here I agree .. even under the tsar the people were more compassionate .. but now I disagree .. Today everything is like in the West and the mentality is becoming the same ..
      1. Plate
        Plate 3 December 2020 17: 22
        0
        Today everything is like in the West and the mentality is becoming the same ..

        Westernization-s. This is a completely natural process for a world dominated by the West. In the last 2-3 times, when we successfully carried out Westernization in our country, the West was getting hurt ... Scary at least.
      2. krops777
        krops777 4 December 2020 02: 37
        0
        What do we have? Soviet people, here I agree .. even under the tsar the people were more compassionate .. but now I disagree .. Today everything is like in the West and the mentality is becoming the same ..


        What happened to you if you have lost faith in people and with the help of whom then to build socialism or is it already a utopia?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 December 2020 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: krops777
      Are they united? It's like seeing if there is some kind of war or disaster (pandemic cataclysms) there is unity and does not smell

      Here, yes, there is no unity and there cannot be, but it is necessary to "separate the wheat from the chaff." It should be about representatives of a single political elite Great Britain and the USA, as well as other countries of the United Kingdom - Canada, Australia, New Zealand, inhabited mainly by descendants of immigrants from Britain. These elites have been united for hundreds of years.
  • Plate
    Plate 3 December 2020 17: 17
    0
    Purpose, ideology ... Aren't these ideal entities from the start? Now, if you apply the word "project", then it becomes more clear.
  • EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 3 December 2020 18: 22
    0
    How and where is the ideology of the Naglosaks formulated in a readable form?
  • NF68
    NF68 4 December 2020 19: 43
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance

    The Anglo-Saxons have clear goals, there is a plan and there is an ideology ... We do not have this .. The desire to earn money or heat cannot unite people .. An idea, a common goal can unite .. When all this appears with us, then there will be unification .. only I would not divide into Slavs and non-Slavs ..


    And the top of the Anglo-Saxons are more experienced in these matters because they are smarter.
  • skullcap
    skullcap 5 December 2020 00: 12
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited:

    Because the Anglo-Saxons have strict discipline (through funding), and the Slavs have confusion and vacillation (each only for his own farm)
  • Sofa
    Sofa 10 December 2020 08: 01
    -1
    The Anglo-Saxons have a powerful economy and the standard of living is an important criterion that unites them. Also, everything that you have listed plays a huge role in their cohesion. Moreover, many other countries want to live like them and therefore completely imitate and support them.
  • Temples
    Temples 3 December 2020 08: 01
    +12
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world? In theory, yes

    Moscow is demolishing brick houses in order to spend money and build other houses in these places.

    At this time, a huge number of Slavs live in houses that are worse than those that \\ Moscow rsushit.

    But money is spent not on building houses in the country, but on destruction in Moscow.

    Disposal of demolished houses in Moscow alone is more expensive than building a house in Uryupinsk.

    What kind of unity is there ?:

    Where is the union.

    There is a gap here.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 3 December 2020 08: 10
      +7
      Quote: Temples
      Moscow is demolishing brick houses in order to spend money and build other houses in these places.

      Moscow and Russia are two different states.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 December 2020 09: 38
      +1
      Quote: Temples
      What kind of unity is there ?:
      Where is the union.
      There is a gap here.

      Unification is possible only on a class basis; only separation is possible on a national basis. In the USSR, in leadership positions were people of different nationalities, in contrast to the Republic of Ingushetia, for example.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 3 December 2020 18: 48
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        In the USSR, in leadership positions were people of different nationalities, in contrast to the Republic of Ingushetia, for example
        Who are the Germans in RI?
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 3 December 2020 22: 53
          0
          Quote: sniperino
          Who are the Germans in RI?

          And in the Republic of Ingushetia, as in an estate state, the nobility, and no matter what nationality. The comrade apparently forgot the school history course and names like M.T. Loris-Melikov, P.I. Bagration, I. Biron. None of them were ethnic Russians.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 3 December 2020 08: 01
    +3
    Because the local aborigines were massacred and their own people were brought in, and the Russians treated too humanely, if they bent down well, then even now they would be afraid and respected.
  • Far B
    Far B 3 December 2020 08: 02
    +10
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited
    Because if you put "Slavs" in the heading, then you have to compare not with the Anglo-Saxons, but with the German-speaking. Which, in fact, are also not very united, although now the situation is still much better than that of the Slavs. And with the Anglo-Saxons, one can compare the East Slavic peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. However, here the situation of the Anglo-Saxons also looks much better.
    And the reason is simple: now Russia, no matter how inflated the cheeks of regular propagandists from the blue screens, is practically in semi-colonial dependence on these very Anglo-Saxons. And the lord will never allow a vassal to become stronger than him. Why the hell does he need it, senor? He's not a cancer, senor.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 3 December 2020 08: 12
      -6
      Quote: Dalny V
      with German-speaking. Which, in fact, are also not very united, although now the situation is still noticeably better than that of the Slavs

      aha ... soon the Teutons will have a second state language ... guess which one.
      1. Far B
        Far B 3 December 2020 08: 28
        +12
        If you are talking about Turkish-Arabic, then we have the same problem - the affectionate term "Maskvabad" did not appear from scratch.
        1. depressant
          depressant 3 December 2020 10: 28
          +1
          Forgive me for being off topic at first.
          Why the respected Authors in their articles can use the term "" (not in this, but in yesterday's)? Why can commentators (for this and not only this article) use this term, but for me nowhere and never - the term is removed, instead of it there are three dots - why? )))
          And so in our life - in everything. Then and only then, when we learn to call things by their proper names, then and only then will we discover the truth for ourselves.
          Say, why did the Soviet Union fall? Because you cannot cross the lofty ideals of the Russian nation with the primitive ideals of the Caucasus, Asia, the Baltic states, and others. It all boiled down to one thing: "Russian, take off your last shirt, give it to a Caucasian, Baltic and Asian!" Appreciated? Are they appreciated? Do not give up the idea, but the shirt, for it is useless to argue with the millennial mentality. It came down to this, and on that it all died. They took the shirt and laughed at the Russians ... with three dots. Throughout the Soviet era, we Russians diligently fed the consumer, and they had 5-10 children each, and in our country it gradually came down to 1-2 already in Soviet times. Well, they fed me.
          And in order to grow consumers out of us, we had to announce a state program for growing a Russian consumer, who does not remember - Fursenko to help ..
          The Anglo-Saxons did not take off their last shirt, no! They honestly, not at all steaming, removed her from the colonial territories as civilizationally backward entities, and they dawned on them: "If the Anglo-Saxons are able to take off our last shirt, then they are strong, their idea is strong." Thinking so, the colonized were imbued with the idea of ​​the superiority of the Anglo-Saxons, the legality of undressing and the idea of ​​undressing itself. Hence, yours. Conveniently fit into their mentality - they showed understanding.
          Russian world? Do not make me laugh! Announcing the Russian world, they declare our undressing as strangers, which means the legitimate use of the term "three dots" in relation to us.
          But we have already been undressed for thirty years already - by Western colonialists, our own colonialists under Putin's amendment to the production sharing law, as well as by any pedestrian-passing people who asks our government to undress us for his, a passer-by, for the benefit ... Well, there are debts of billions to forgive, some money to throw in several billions - there, another Kyrgyz leader will come to us soon to ask Putin to organize another Russian striptease.
          Sorry, but we are already naked! Are they going to remove the skin from us?
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 3 December 2020 16: 16
            0
            Brilliant. I shake both hands smile
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 19: 10
            0
            Baltics, others
            The Finns have not been given the last shirt for a long time - as a result, even by Western European standards, their living standard is very high tongue ... The Finns did not rob colonies either, for lack of them. fellow
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 3 December 2020 18: 55
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          the affectionate term "Maskvabad" did not appear from scratch
          Ukronatsiks invented it. And this place is not empty yet, but everything is heading towards that.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 19: 11
            +1
            In St. Petersburg in 94m they said so.
            the affectionate term "Musquabad
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 3 December 2020 19: 23
              -1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              In St. Petersburg in 94m they said so.
              I also heard this in the 90s because of the “foreigners” from the southern republics who came to Moscow in large numbers. But the spelling through - "Maskvabad" met only in the comments of non-brothers, so, perhaps, he was mistaken.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 19: 50
                +2
                At 94 people from St. Petersburg did not even suspect that they would come in large numbers to them. Therefore, they emphasized for themselves that they have - in the Northern capitals - better than in the present capital.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 3 December 2020 08: 02
    +7
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?

    Russia has no strategy, no plan, only momentary victories, and then gradual defeats, retreats to the wall in historical terms.
    Now we are back against the wall.
    This means that we cannot (do not know how) to play a long game for several moves ahead, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, who skillfully use any contradictions in the camp of their enemies, pushing their foreheads like Germany with Russia.
    Russia now does not have an elite capable of working for the future of the country, we lived for one day and okay, but what will happen there in thirty, forty, fifty years in the next generations is no longer interesting ... after us, even a flood.
    This time-bound mind in our guide will get us into trouble a lot.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 December 2020 08: 20
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      This is the limitation of the mind

      The Anglo-Saxons skillfully divided the Slavs, pitted them, dragged them into their faith (Catholicism), and we did not answer them in any way in this regard. Therefore, such disunity. The last example is Ukraine!
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 December 2020 09: 17
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Therefore, such disunity. The last example is Ukraine!


        If we watch silently, this will not be the last example ...
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 09: 34
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The Anglo-Saxons skillfully divided the Slavs, set them off, dragged them into their faith (Catholicism)

        they are protestants repeat
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 3 December 2020 10: 39
          0
          Catholicism is the main religion in many European countries (Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Belgium, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Ireland, Malta, etc.). In just 21 European countries, Catholics make up the majority of the population, in Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland - half And the Slavs are here -Catholics!
          USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand. In Germany, the Netherlands, Canada, Switzerland and these are Protestants!
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 3 December 2020 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      in our guide

      here, in every third komenta incline the leadership power the bosses - it's somehow not logical to me - that someone will appoint him from another planet ??? they are never satisfied with their bosses - it's another matter how to react to it. ... every nation has the power it deserves
  • tatra
    tatra 3 December 2020 08: 11
    0
    Anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia. All enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people in the West, in Europe, on the territory of the USSR, including the Russians, are united in their hatred both for the USSR and the Soviet people, and for Russia and the Russian people. And after the destruction of the USSR, they clearly proved this.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 3 December 2020 08: 46
      -11%
      Quote: tatra
      Anti-Sovietism is always equal to Russophobia. ...
      Everything Soviet is always equal to Russophobia ... The whole history of the USSR is the history of Russophobia ... starting with the division into nationalities and the end of the forcible rewriting of Russians into the same Ukrainians, the transfer of Russian lands to new formations - republics - again Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus and so on The empowerment of the newly-formed republics to withdraw from the union is again the affairs of the USSR, Distribution of land poured with Russian blood for good health ... And the distribution of red-bellied nishtyaks to these same republics at the expense of the Russians is a separate song - the same virgin soil raised - at the expense of the Russian village , which then never recovered ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 3 December 2020 08: 56
        +1
        Ha, the enemies of the communists are primitive, predictable and the same as a blueprint. This is exactly the answer I expected from the enemies of the communists - according to their eternal cowardly principle to all accusations of IM - to respond in the style of "defending oneself through attacking others." They climb to discuss the history, politics of Russia / USSR. But none of them is able to do it honestly, objectively, adequately. And if I write now that the USSR is a better state for Russia and the Russian people than the Russian Empire was and their anti-Soviet Russia became, they will respond with predictable malice against the USSR.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 3 December 2020 09: 05
          -6
          Ha, and I expected such a response from the Krasnopuzi ... we had a great conversation, thanks to such articles (and to you personally for raising the topic of the USSR when they talk about the Slavs) that unite the Slavs !!! good
          1. Kart
            Kart 3 December 2020 09: 22
            -2
            You react to it more calmly.
            There is a steady feeling that a bot is communicating with you under this nickname. Uniformity of reaction to keywords, complete absence of even signs of dialogue and understanding of the interlocutor.
            Himself dabbled in such.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 3 December 2020 09: 21
        +6
        Quote: Nasr
        ... And the distribution by the red-bellied nishtyaks to these very republics at the expense of the Russians is a separate song - the same virgin soil raised - at the expense of the Russian village, which then never recovered ...

        How much hatred do you have for those who gave you the opportunity to be born, study, heal .. a very primitive approach, I think that even with complete rejection of the left movement, you need to respect your story.
        It is possible and necessary to criticize and reflect on mistakes .. but to call those who gave birth to you in general and thanks to whom we now still have a state .. what no .. this is a sign .. at least a person who is not grateful.
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 3 December 2020 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          How much hate you have for those who gave you the opportunity to be born,

          Well, for example, Tsar Nicholas 2 gave one of your ancestors the opportunity to be born, not starve to death, perhaps even finish the Central School of Arts. Do you respect him?
          Or do red-bellies ask for respect only for themselves?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 3 December 2020 09: 31
            -1
            Quote: Junger
            Quote: Svarog
            How much hate you have for those who gave you the opportunity to be born,

            Well, for example, Tsar Nicholas 2 gave one of your ancestors the opportunity to be born, not starve to death, perhaps even finish the Central School of Arts. Do you respect him?
            Or do red-bellies ask for respect only for themselves?

            In the light of the unification of the Slavs, the article - The October Revolution dealt such a blow to the unity of the Russian people that there is still no unity - an example of our debate ...

            Quote: Svarog
            thanks to whom you were born at all.

            I am grateful to my parents and no one else ...

            Quote: Svarog
            ... thanks to whom we still have a state ... what no ....

            The Russian state has existed for a thousand years of official history.

            1. Svarog
              Svarog 3 December 2020 09: 35
              +2
              Quote: Nasr
              Quote: Junger
              Quote: Svarog
              How much hate you have for those who gave you the opportunity to be born,

              Well, for example, Tsar Nicholas 2 gave one of your ancestors the opportunity to be born, not starve to death, perhaps even finish the Central School of Arts. Do you respect him?
              Or do red-bellies ask for respect only for themselves?

              In the light of the unification of the Slavs, the article - The October Revolution dealt such a blow to the unity of the Russian people that there is still no unity - an example of our debate ...

              Capital inflicts a blow on the Slavs .. It is violet to the Slavs and in general to everything except money .. All because of money and culture that the Anglo-Saxons imposed on us .. it is alien to us ..
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 3 December 2020 09: 45
                -4
                Quote: Svarog

                Capital inflicts a blow on the Slavs .. It is violet to the Slavs and in general to everything except money .. All because of money and culture that the Anglo-Saxons imposed on us .. it is alien to us ..

                A person is so arranged that he wants to crush all the nishtyaks and impose his own worldview - from time immemorial ... Those who wanted a world revolution - wanted the same ... There is nothing else in this world!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 3 December 2020 11: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Nasr
                  A person is so arranged that he wants to crush all the nishtyaks for himself and impose his own worldview - from time immemorial so ...

                  No, not from time immemorial .. mankind is evolving .. primitive communal system .. feudalism .. capitalism .. and now mankind needs a new ideology of socialism ..
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 3 December 2020 11: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    and now humanity needs a new ideology of socialism ..


                    again? Yes, you are a masochist! China fled to capitalism, Vietnam there too, Cuba and North Korea quietly roll back their socialism ... and we again dream of building a paradise ...
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 3 December 2020 14: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Nasr
                      China fled to capitalism

                      Come on .. China still has a planned economy, before the Chinese were not paid pensions, but now they pay .. China has not escaped anywhere, it has chosen its own special path, but the goal is the same .. And it demonstrates the corresponding indicators ..
                    2. sniperino
                      sniperino 3 December 2020 20: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: Nasr
                      and we again dream of building a paradise.
                      Who is dreaming? Everyone is convincing that if their electorate elects to power, they will soon find themselves in paradise. It is a fact. There are few people dreaming of building it.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 3 December 2020 09: 31
            +2
            Quote: Junger
            Quote: Svarog
            How much hate you have for those who gave you the opportunity to be born,

            Well, for example, Tsar Nicholas 2 gave one of your ancestors the opportunity to be born, not starve to death, perhaps even finish the Central School of Arts. Do you respect him?
            Or do red-bellies ask for respect only for themselves?

            I respect history .. the king is already history, whatever history is, it is our common and must be treated with respect. At the same time, it is important and necessary to disassemble and criticize mistakes .. so as not to admit in the future .. And by the way, the Anglo-Saxons, what differ from us, they go by the rake much less .. and respect their history .. one of the other follows.
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 3 December 2020 09: 36
              -3
              Well, it's great that you are so scrupulous, but the absolute majority of your like-minded people call the Tsar Nikolashka and pour crap on him. What do you want from ideological opponents if you do the same?
              And again - it was your like-minded people who blew up monuments, churches and swore at graves, and by no means monarchists or democrats. And now you are singing about respect for history - it's very strange, ambivalent and makes you think that you are not sincere.
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 3 December 2020 10: 15
            0
            Quote: Junger
            Well, for example, Tsar Nicholas 2 gave one of your ancestors the opportunity to be born

            And how many were not born under Nicholas? The country had a prohibitive infant mortality rate, common syphilis was a common phenomenon .. literacy 14% .. A nobleman could play cards with his entire annual supply of wheat .. This all accumulated over the years and resulted in cruelty against the class of parasites .. and in fact the king with the family suffered. But these are their mistakes, they ignored the opinion of the majority and made their own admiration .. very similar to today.
            The Church was and is only a state psychological clinic, where they call for humility and repentance of the poor and disadvantaged. The church has always been with the authorities, not with the people, and this is the main mistake. I do not consider this education to be related to God. But as a historical monument, of course, the church should not have been destroyed.
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            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 12: 28
              +2
              I would also add children's alcoholism, which flourished with him. This is really an experiment, an experiment on the Russian people, even after the collapse of the USSR, this has not yet come to this.
              Another manifestation of the deviation of minors was the use of alcoholic beverages, which, as noted at the First All-Russian Congress on the Fight against Drunkenness, "occurs in children much more often than it is commonly thought ... 90% of the drinking population begin to learn how to drink alcohol in their youth." Of the 43 children surveyed at the St. Petersburg School for Boys aged 8-11, 37 were familiar with vodka. Before lunch, 9 people drank from half to one glass every day, on holidays - 14, were drunk from vodka - 16, from beer - 17. In other schools, out of 50 boys did not know the taste of vodka, only 6. In a female school, out of 50 girls drank vodka - 10, beer and wine - 38.

              According to the data presented at the All-Russian Congress on Family Education, “out of 182 boys, aged 8 to 13 years old, 166 were familiar with alcohol, and 151 of them drank vodka systematically. Some stated that they can drink up to 3 glasses at once with pleasure, and they drink because "it makes a good noise in my head." Of the 159 girls aged 8 to 15, 149 drank, ie 93,7%, some of them “every day”, others “for a long time”, the third “were drunk”. As you can see, drunkenness was characteristic of both boys and girls, the differences were only in the frequency and place of consumption, as well as in the quality of drinks. https://hystory.mediasole.ru/90_podrostkov_v_carskoy_rossii_pili_vodku
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 3 December 2020 12: 55
                -4
                You probably think that under the sovereign Emperor Peter 1 in the villages, infant mortality tended to zero, there was a sewage system, running water and electricity. But it was under Nicholas that the children began to die, drink vodka, swear and get sick with syphilis?
                And only the Soviet government saved the people from death. Well, I killed a couple of tens of millions - the main thing the children stopped drinking drinks Well, they also stopped being born, since 6 million abortions a year for Soviet people is a trifle.
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 3 December 2020 19: 02
          -2
          Quote: Svarog
          who gave you the opportunity to be born, studies, is treated ..
          The consignment?!!
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 09: 50
        +5
        Quote: Nasr
        Everything Soviet is always equal to Russophobia ...

        This is what the Russian people reached their maximum number under the USSR, despite the civil war and the Second World War.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 3 December 2020 09: 54
          -6
          Quote: Stirbjorn

          This is what the Russian people reached their maximum number under the USSR, despite the civil war and the Second World War.

          And from where do you know how much he would have reached the number if there were no revolution, and therefore civil and WWII? You will not deny that Germany was specially pumped up for the war with the USSR (as an ideological enemy)? think about it at your leisure ...
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 10: 20
            +2
            Quote: Nasr
            And from where do you know how much he would have reached the number if there were no revolution, and therefore civil and WWII?

            With infant mortality, almost the largest in the world, by the beginning of the 20th century ?! I strongly doubt
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 3 December 2020 11: 01
              -2
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              With infant mortality, almost the largest in the world, by the beginning of the 20th century ?! I strongly doubt

              Judging by your doubts with such a mortality rate and common syphilis, the Russian people should have died in ancient times)) But no. Otherwise, on whom would the Communists conduct experiments?
      4. Unknown
        Unknown 3 December 2020 13: 34
        +4
        Quote: Nasr
        The entire history of the USSR is the history of Russophobia ... starting with the division into nationalities and the end of the violent rewriting of Russians into the same Ukrainians, the transfer of Russian lands to new formations
        ... We must at least take an interest in the history of the Civil War, before affirming this. After the dismissal of Nikolashka R.I. began to collapse rapidly like a house of cards and the first, as in the case of the USSR, the outskirts ran. All committees of national revival began to grow like mushrooms, precisely under the talker and idiot Kerensky, and the creation of quasi-states was a matter of time, regardless of whether the Bolsheviks would take power in your own hands or not. And the first so-called Ukrainian Rada was created in March 17, and they did not consider themselves Russians at all. And where does the Bolsheviks have to do with it? Independents also appeared under the tsar, the same Ivan Franko, Hrushevsky, Larisa Petrovna Kosach-Kvitka, better known as Lesya Ukrainka. This audience was supported by both the Germans and the Austrians. They did not consider themselves Slavs either. Here is the Slavic unity for you, as on Kalka they could not unite before the Tatars, and they fought further, over the centuries. Petliura is also not a myth, Krasnov on Don, too, sculpted something independent, even in the Volga region they created their own republic. And under what slogan to unite everyone? One and indivisible? Well, Kornilov tried with Denikin, it didn't work out. Only the Bolsheviks had an ideology and a goal, and they coped with the goal, opposing nationalism with an international. How else was it to recreate the country.
    2. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 3 December 2020 10: 26
      0
      All enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people in the West, in Europe, on the territory of the USSR, including Russians, are united in their hatred as to the USSR

      It would seem that the topic is about the Slavs and Anglo-Saxons. But Irina, as always, is in her repertoire.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 3 December 2020 08: 16
    -8
    Because the Anglo-Saxons did not have the Great October Revolution, which would explain to them that their own blood is water. And the main thing is class affiliation.
    That is why the Turks in Turkey can publicly declare that "we are Azerbaijan", and if someone in Russia says such an obvious thing in general, that we are Ukraine or Belarus, those around them will raise a condemning high.
    Unfortunately, most of the Slavs living on the territory of the former USSR after many decades of washing are Ivans, who do not remember their kinship. That is why the Russian world will not take place in the near future. Because there are very few Russians.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 December 2020 09: 58
      0
      Because the Anglo-Saxons did not have the Great October Revolution

      That is why the Turks in Turkey can publicly declare that "we are Azerbaijan

      In the days of the USSR, the Turks would not have thought of making such statements .. In the days of the RI, yes, they could and fought with them constantly .. BUT with the advent of Soviet power, the Turks were so far behind the USSR that no one would have allowed them to show off. But now, Russia has again slipped to the Republic of Ingushetia and the Turks raised their heads ..
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 3 December 2020 10: 06
        0
        The point is not in the USSR, but in the fact that the Turks are not afraid to call things by their proper names. In our country, this is impossible - a howl about great-power chauvinism, Russian Derzhimords will immediately rise - using the terms of Vladimir Ilyich. We are afraid to just talk about normal things - it is imperative to make curtsies in favor of internationalism, friendship of peoples, multinationality and other bullshit.
        Otherwise - fascism, you know. The grandfathers fought, and we really won't give the last shirt to the nationals? They are just like us, even better. smile
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 December 2020 10: 17
          +2
          Quote: Junger
          The grandfathers fought, and we really won't give the last shirt to the nationals?

          Do you want to say in the Second World War only the Slavs fought?
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 3 December 2020 11: 16
            -2
            Quote: Svarog
            Do you want to say in the Second World War only the Slavs fought?

            The point is not who fought there, but how much sense it was. And how much was the use of the natsmen - ask Comrade Mehlis. Also not a hare.
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 3 December 2020 10: 10
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        ..In the days of RI, yes they could and fought with them constantly ...


        At the time of RI, all of eastern Turkey was part of the Russian Empire ... which the Bolsheviks gladly exchanged for their legitimacy ...
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 3 December 2020 08: 25
    +4
    Five countries are Great Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All of them are united by the dominance of the Anglo-Saxon component, the state English language and a common origin.
    The first two were in conflict with each other until the early 20th century, though. And the last 3 are generally included in the Commonwealth Kingdoms. Therefore, it makes no sense to compare "Anglo-Saxon" with "Slavism". Different historical paths, in principle. With this Angosaxon, it is rather a parallel in Russia as a whole - like the inhabitants of the Central region, the Urals, Siberia and the Far East. For 500 years, Russians were settled from West to East. And the British passed their way by sea, due to the limited territories.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 3 December 2020 08: 28
    +4
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?

    Does Russia need this union? Those who lived under the USSR should remember this combination of letters CMEA. And it was an almost one-way street. In East Germany alone, hell knows how much, so that the standard of living is, if lower than in Western Germany, not much. The Czechs, consider, were presented with a contract for L-29 training aircraft for the entire Warsaw Pact, but mainly for the USSR Air Force, although the Yak-30 was better and cheaper. In Poland, when Jaruzelski established martial law there, they supplied food for "transferable rubles", and at the same time bought them for themselves in the West for hard currency, and still there was a shortage. The Volga and Lada ran all over the CMEA, and in the USSR there was a queue for them for many years. But as soon as they let go of the reins, all these "allies", including the Slavic brothers, instantly fled to the West.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 December 2020 09: 00
      -1
      And what is your business?
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 3 December 2020 09: 17
      +7
      Those who lived under the USSR should remember this combination of letters CMEA. And it was an almost one-way street.


      Ie, did Eastern Europe bother you, and when did they destroy the common SEB market and heal? laughing

      Then Ukraine interfered with you, now Belarus ... yes dear, so soon Voronezh will have to be bombed, so as not to interfere with one-way traffic.

      And the truth is that the neo-feudal post-communist state, which is not particularly attractive to the minds and wallets of people, is in the way. Even for you it is so-so, but you think why, damn the Slavs do not want to live in our world? What do you want yourself?
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 December 2020 09: 40
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Does Russia need this union?

      A return to ideology, where everything is decided by the party elite of the only party in the country, “don’t get it for nothing”.
      Our leaders were carried away by narcissism, and issues were resolved quite simply. And the CMEA has done a lot with the “transferable ruble”. The fact that the Polish shipyards built ships for the Soviet Navy is worth a lot.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 3 December 2020 08: 30
    +2
    Everything is far-fetched. Take the Balkans. Orthodox Macedonians do not really like Orthodox Bulgarians and Serbs. Orthodox Bulgarians do not really like Macedonians and Serbs. Orthodox Serbs do not favor Bulgarians and Macedonians. Macedonians are especially affected. Serbs consider them Serbs, Bulgarians, Bulgarians. And Macedonians dream of Great Macedonia, the time of Alexander Fillipovich of Macedon, as well as Serbs about Great Serbia, when the lands of Macedonia and Bulgaria, Bulgarians entered. Great Bulgaria, when it included the lands of Macedonia and Serbia. And how can the Orthodox unite here.? smile
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 3 December 2020 09: 04
      0
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And the Macedonians dream of Great Macedonia, the time of Alexander Phillipovich the Great,

      Will the Greeks, Turks, and Persians agree?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 3 December 2020 09: 14
        +3
        Ask them. Greece, for example, did not recognize the Republic of Macedonia for a long time, and demanded that it change its name to the Republic of North Macedonia, which it did this year. This opened the "gates" to NATO and the EU. joining these unions of the Republic of Macedonia.
        And the Macedonians dream of Great Macedonia, the time of Alexander Fillipovich the Great
        it was generally sarcasm, I had to put a smiley, excuse me.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 3 December 2020 09: 21
          0
          Well, I should have put it too, because the question was rhetorical. lol
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 3 December 2020 09: 43
            +2
            A rhetorical question is a question the answer to which is not required or not expected due to its extreme obviousness to the speaker, it seems ... But when the Republic of Macedonia was created, political leaders claimed both South Macedonia and the territory of Greece. Of course, such requests no one in the world supported and the Republic of Macedonia was told: "Shadow, know your place", the ruling circles did not resent for a long time, and in the end they even renamed their state. smile ... Yes, I understand that you knew this before ... smile If so, it wouldn't be worth asking rhetorical questions. hi
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 3 December 2020 11: 38
      -1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      And how can we unite the Orthodox

      standard conditions
      most powerful - Common enemy.
      The longest are generally good economic conditions and comfort.
      Medium - general idea and purpose (atheistic)
      A combination of all is ideal.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 3 December 2020 08: 34
    +7
    The article is another nonsense on duty caused by progressive senile marasmus.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 December 2020 08: 35
    +7
    "Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?"
    The USSR did not divide the country and its neighbors into Slavs and non-Slavs, and this did not prevent even African and Asian countries from gathering around it.
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    2. cniza
      cniza 3 December 2020 09: 15
      +2
      Just like the Russian Empire before the USSR ...
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 3 December 2020 08: 53
    +5
    V.V. Mayakovsky: "Don't waste your words on the brotherhood of the Slavs. The brotherhood of workers - and no others."
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 3 December 2020 09: 19
      +1
      Brotherhood of workers - and no others. "


      Correctly! Hire workers from the Volvo factories or Lockheed Martin hard workers! laughing

      Bend your back on the vile capitalists mercilessly!
      1. DNS-a42
        DNS-a42 3 December 2020 09: 37
        +2
        Let's not worry.
      2. Kisa
        Kisa 3 December 2020 20: 13
        +2
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        workers from factories

        no ideology will help until that worker has 3 thousand euros per month and this one has 300 - unless of course he is a violent sectarian
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 December 2020 08: 58
    -2
    A strong impetus to the rioting of the Slavs in the 20th century brought persecution of the church in Russia and the almost direct destruction of the clergy. All this needs to be corrected, and the holy fathers need not be measured by brands of cars, but work with people inside the country and closer ties with foreign clergy are no less important, especially in light of the aggressive promotion of LGBT people.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 3 December 2020 08: 58
    +3
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?
    Of course it can, as soon as the Slavic world understands the real threat to its existence.
  • prior
    prior 3 December 2020 09: 05
    +1
    The division into Anglo-Saxons and Slavs is very primitive, it is determined at the level of the animal world.
    The Anglo-Saxon race are carnivores, predators.
    The Slavs are herbivores.
    The desire of some herbivores to move to the predator class usually ends badly.
    And, accordingly, the behavior of predators, to live devouring others, throughout history is quite natural.
    There is nothing new under the sun.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 3 December 2020 19: 43
      +1
      The Slavs are herbivores.
      Rather omnivores. A bear can fill his belly with raspberries, he can ruin a beehive, catch fish, and maybe even a cow to lift (and easily a moose, if necessary). Anything happened.
    2. unknown
      unknown 5 December 2020 06: 51
      -1
      Perhaps everything is simpler.
      English history is fake.
      Indeed, Britain entered the historical arena at the beginning of the "nineteenth century".
      The formation of the nation came from the scum. Basically. from pirate.
      At some point, money was pumped from the continent.
      The first offshore company appeared on the island.
      "Pirate" genetics, backed up by big money, became the basis of foreign policy.
  • cniza
    cniza 3 December 2020 09: 14
    +2
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?


    A very difficult topic was raised and opinions will not disappear here, but at the beginning of the article, practically, in my opinion, a hundred percent answer was given - the language is the answer. Therefore, now there is a struggle, in the post-Soviet space, against the Russian language. Will Russia be able or not? what for? and a host of other questions, but if Russia does nothing at all, they will strangle him. If we want to preserve Russia, then we have no other more important task than preserving and spreading the Russian language, everything else will follow.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 10: 07
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      one hundred percent answer - language is the answer ... preservation and dissemination of the Russian language, everything else will follow.


      in, a ready-made recipe - to plant the Russian language among the natives, and it's in the bag. Economy, diplomacy, influence, military and political blocs - this, damn it, turns out to be a secondary property, if you want to follow it .... The teacher of literature is the main figure. Just like Peschel with the "Prussian teacher" who won the war)

      By the way, about the language: Your phrase is spelled like this:

      XNUMX% answer: language is the answer
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 December 2020 11: 21
        +2
        Who do you call the natives?
        Thanks for pointing out the error ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 11: 22
          -2
          Quote: cniza
          Who do you call the natives?

          and you do not understand the meaning of this term?
          1. cniza
            cniza 3 December 2020 11: 24
            +2
            The meaning is clear to me, who are the natives in our environment or among the Slavs?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 12: 56
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              then in our environment or among the Slavs natives?

              explain: Russia considers itself a dominant in the so-called. In the "Slavic" world (whatever is meant by this), she (more precisely, Polonsky) has appointed herself the unifier of the outskirts of Slavic, semi-Slavic and conventionally Slavic ethnic groups into something identical. Accordingly, all the objects of unification considered by Russia outside its borders are natives for it. Available?
              1. cniza
                cniza 3 December 2020 13: 03
                +2
                This is just your opinion and it is not necessary to accept everything so primitively, it does not lead to a normal dialogue ...
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 13: 22
                  -2
                  Quote: cniza
                  This is just your opinion

                  of course, mine. And the messianic idea of ​​spreading the Russian language is exclusively yours.
                  Quote: cniza
                  and it is not necessary to take everything so primitively

                  I accept "primitive" your primitive thesis? How else to take it?
    2. unknown
      unknown 5 December 2020 06: 46
      0
      About language.
      There is such a discipline.
      It is called "psycholinguistics".
      Studying the connection between language and thinking.
      Language is an operating system.
      And operating systems are different in their capabilities and potential.
      English as an operating system is not very good.
      Primitive, dumb and flawed.
      Compared to developed languages, of course.
      There is a statement by a very famous person, unfortunately, now I do not remember his name, that in order to learn English, thirty hours is enough.
      French - thirty days.
      German - thirty years.
      This phrase shows the real potential of languages.
  • Kart
    Kart 3 December 2020 09: 17
    -6
    It's simple.
    Religion. It was she who determined success for hundreds of years. Society was built depending on its attitudes and permissions-prohibitions.
    And again, it is very difficult to name a successful country in which the original religion was Byzantine Orthodoxy.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 3 December 2020 20: 23
      0
      while I was reading the comments - I was fascinated by the variety of sectarians - whoever did not meet here - communist anarchists monarchists priests ... and all have followers)))) I did not see the answer how to glue it all together
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 December 2020 09: 30
    +1
    The Slavs are not united and they cannot be united anymore, so the Slavic unity, in contrast to the Anglo-Saxon, is more of a mythology, which can only be believed by a very great optimist and romantic. Let's begin with that if all Anglo-Saxons are adherents of the Western version of Christianity...

    ... that the Slavs were imposed from the outside (by force) a confession alien to them. And all would be fine, but in the country for some reason this is an important role. For what? To raise and nurture slaves? Having lost the obligation for everyone to have a single state language, giving the autonomies the right to develop their own literacy (for what purposes, for what purpose, folklore could be limited), we still tried to build our own "tower of Babel":

    What else has united us in our lives over the past decades? This is the same level of salaries (in the capital and regions); it is GDP per capita (in the capital and regions); these are the benefits of civilization and access to the "remaining culture" (in the capital and regions); this is an opportunity to fly to another country (in the capital and in the regions); this is the availability of jobs (in the capital and regions); this is the size of federal subsidies (in the capital and in the regions) ... Why are outsiders such a "freebie"?
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world? In theory, yes, but one can imagine the level of opposition that will be provided.

    I will remind you of only one fragment of the "attempt to unite" (explanation of the need)

    And now imagine that “someone” from Russia will offer to “someone from the outside” unification on the terms: “we will always find a place for our friends and never leave, and you will somehow be on your own” ... The country is in a situation where all forces, resources, money are concentrated in one place - the center, and everything outside the Moscow Ring Road develops according to the residual principle and is equated to "cattle" ... Well, name the names of those who wish to join these ranks. ..
    The theory of unification has not been written within the walls of the Kremlin. "To snatch, appropriate, successfully withdraw and invest, get out of the water and get away from these ..." - this is the theory of today's government. Does anyone want to try on this clamp?
  • faterdom
    faterdom 3 December 2020 09: 30
    0
    Very tight. All this association of the Anglo-Saxons is a situational situation based on the results of the Second World War, and not so voluntary.
    Or do you think the British Empire, over which the sun never sets, longed to dry up, to free its colonies and move the financial center to the United States, at the same time allowing the latter to become a nuclear superpower?
    I dreamed of it ... No, she just adapted to this state of affairs, did not make up, inciting Hitler. I wanted to incite against the USSR, and then, say, eliminate him, Hitler, and enjoy the benefits. But they clearly did not expect to lose all of Europe and sit under bombs and the threat of invasion, or divide the world on Hitler's terms.
    Having received the invincible Stalinist armies under their noses, they were forced to lie under the United States, which, however, would be stuck in the back at any suitable occasion.
    1. unknown
      unknown 5 December 2020 06: 39
      -1
      After the collapse of the British Empire, an audit was ordered.
      For yourself. Real, no fraud. To understand. why it happened.
      The result was unexpected.
      The British Empire turned out to be a completely unprofitable enterprise.
      Its disintegration was a boon for the island.
  • Clear
    Clear 3 December 2020 09: 32
    -1
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited:

    Always united when robbery.
  • betta
    betta 3 December 2020 09: 33
    +1
    They are united by a small number of elite and a lot of money.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 December 2020 09: 38
    0
    Not everything is so simple here. Since ancient times, the sons of great leaders went over to the side of the West. Until we figure this out, we will either sprinkle ashes on our heads, or build an ideology in the style of “They are all bad, we are all right." Or vice versa.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 3 December 2020 09: 38
    +1
    Let's look at the history of the Anglo-Saxon world - it arose on the remains of Rome. What was called the German-Roman world in 3-4 centuries. The same Angles then respawned in Frisia, then conquered the Britons, who are also Germans. And the Britons, with the retreat of the Romans, fled to Brittany.
    And Normandy is called that because Nor-man, the Vikings - Franks, who were also Germans, gave them to settle there.
    In these and subsequent centuries, everyone spoke Old Germanic - from the Vikings of England to the Vikings of Kiev. And the Slavs riveted their huts somewhere else. And now most Americans are not of English, not Spanish, but Germanic roots. Even before the World Wars, they still spoke German.

    Religion, psychology. In the east and west, people are different. Why will the Anglo-Saxons prosper in the modern world? Pozhalsta - Max Weber, "Protestant Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism".

    Bottom line - I know many Anglo-Saxons and they are nice guys, but I don't want to live in their world, although it is very prosperous. He is a stranger to me, with a different relationship. I am a lax southerner, a Slav, and I like to visit a friend without calling him and drink brandy.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 6 December 2020 00: 32
      0
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      conquered the Britons, who are also Germans

      Celts
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 December 2020 09: 51
    +2
    A funny collection of outright nonsense.
    The Anglo-Saxons are united because one day English scientists gathered in Cambridge. They gathered in order to approve the strategy of turning England into Great Britain, into a huge empire over which the sun will never set. Most of these scholars were aristocrats, but not only. Talented people of all classes were necessarily accepted into their circle, and considerable sums were spent on the development of such people. But this is by the way, and if about the unity of the Anglo-Saxon world ...
    Scientists, the smartest heads of the time, created a strategy with which the Anglo-Saxon world would take over the planet. They created a set of tactics to apply. And also confirmed their place in this process. A kind of secret service was created, consisting exclusively of British scientists and engineers.
    This Service was directed by one of the Deans of Cambridge College. Due to the fact that many scientists were from the highest aristocracy, the Service enjoyed the full support of the authorities, and, naturally, the royal family. Most of the members of the Service did not receive remuneration for their freedom of work (they did not need money), but they could always receive any required amount from the state without accountability. The results of the Service's work very quickly convinced those notified of its existence that it was the Service that should lead the UK into the future.
    Since the strategy and tactics were developed and constantly improved by scientists and engineers, the best minds of the Anglo-Saxon world, the Anglo-Saxons won a clear and almost complete victory on the planet. And who opposed them / is opposed to the Slavs? Take a look ...
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 3 December 2020 19: 47
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      They gathered in order to approve the strategy of turning England into Great Britain, into a huge empire over which the sun will never set. Most of these scholars were aristocrats, but not only. Talented people of all classes were necessarily accepted into their circle, and considerable sums were spent on the development of such people.

      You are right, the Anglo-Saxons, having burned themselves on slaves, now prefer highly qualified guest workers, spending considerable sums on them.
      Why did the Roman Empire die?
      - began to eat while lying down ..
      But water does not flow under a lying stone.
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/ancient_rome/pochemu-drevnie-rimliane-eli-leja-5f52bcca72b2bd46975a19e3
      For example, Muscovites are reluctant to go to construction as laborers,
      prefer low-skilled guest workers.

      Where, point us fathers fatherland
      Which ones should we take for samples?
      Are not these people robbery rich?
      Protection from court in friends found, in kinship,
      Magnificent building chambers,
      Where they are poured in feasts and prodigality .. (A.S. Griboyedov)
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 4 December 2020 09: 12
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        Why did the Roman Empire die?
        - began to eat while lying down ..

        It is not.) The Romans ate lying down at the BEGINNING of their Empire. You talk about laziness and effeminacy. They are important, but they are not the cause of the fall, because they are only a consequence of the underlying cause. Muscovites do not want to destroy their lives for the pennies that construction firms are used to paying migrant workers. Strange, isn't it? Even if the Muscovites had wished it, they still could not - the cost of living in Moscow is much higher than the migrant workers' "earnings".
        You are probably some kind of boss, right?) Confident that the bad results of the office are the result of the laziness of subordinates? Hehe ...
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 4 December 2020 13: 17
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Muscovites do not want to destroy their lives for the pennies that construction firms are used to paying migrant workers.

          Why are the Slavic peoples disunited? Some Russian-speaking people are envious of other Russian-speaking people living geographically almost nearby. Envy is a vice.
          Why envy? Because, for example, Muscovites do not want to destroy their lives for the pittance that construction companies are used to paying. Do Muscovites prefer to have their lives destroyed for a pittance by residents of other regions? Why don't they love their neighbors who live nearby? And then what is the source of the pennies that Muscovites themselves receive to pay for living in Moscow?
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 6 December 2020 13: 03
            0
            What is this stream of consciousness? A Muscovite cannot survive on guest workers' money. It is impossible to live on them in Moscow, there simply will not be enough for a communal apartment and other inevitable expenses. Guest workers huddle at a construction site or 20 people in a one-room apartment. They do not get treatment, do not study, do not use any service, do not move around the city by car, eat all sorts of rubbish. I just said that. What is this insane rut in response?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 09: 58
    +1
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?

    and the Slavic world needs it?
  • here
    here 3 December 2020 10: 04
    -2
    Everything is easy to explain using a more mundane example: you walk down the street and smile at everyone, throw a metro ticket into the trash can, hold the entrance door for a lady with bags and the elevator door to someone who almost has time to enter. Go out to your apartment, and there is a bunch of dogs on your rug. And it is clear that the dog is someone from the neighbors, since the yard dogs do not open the magnetic locks yet. This is a description of respecting your neighbor's borders. We, Slavs, respect borders and this is our trouble, because the second trouble is that the Anglo-Saxons are chronically unable to respect someone's borders, or rights, or respect respect for their own borders, because they consider it stupidity and weakness. The disunity of the Slavs is similar to the southern Italian family: we quarrel very hotly with the dishes splashed, pillows on the feather, pots of flowers in the window, remembering all the great-grandfathers from the side of the husband, wife, brother-in-law and all even non-blood relatives with a picture search for stashes in books and banks jam, we involve neighbors, the police, passers-by in a quarrel ... This behavior is typical for loved ones in the family and speaks of our community, not disunity. Vector yes, no. We are busy with ourselves and everyone else is used for showdowns in our family, for which they are no longer needed.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 10: 36
      0
      The metaphors with dog poop and everyday scuffle in the context of "Slavic community / disunity" were very encouraging. Bright allegory laughing
      1. here
        here 3 December 2020 12: 31
        -3
        It's good that you are familiar with dog poop, paragraph. Why scuffle? Did your dad and mom know that much in your family? Don't broadcast your childhood traumas on me.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 13: 05
          0
          Quote: local
          It's good that you are familiar with dog poop, paragraph.

          of course, I read Hasek, if you are talking about it.
          Quote: local
          Did your dad and mom know that much in your family?

          Do you want to get personal? I don't seem to have urinated on your family tree. Here you are, my dear, refrain.
          Quote: local
          Don't broadcast your childhood traumas on me.

          funny: here you are painting a family quarrel, simultaneously admiring your own eloquence, and it turns out that I have psychotrauma.
          1. here
            here 3 December 2020 13: 22
            -2
            Why get so excited if there are no injuries? Diligent quoting and lengthy analysis suggests otherwise. You are annoyed by the word heap and you immediately paraphrase it into dog poop, distorting the context of the written. Well, who has what vocabulary. Eloquence pleases me, this is true. It is also true that you take too close to heart the description of family conflicts "for show", and according to your own scenario, they must certainly go into a scuffle. Well, my dear paragraph, it's definitely not me pissing on your tree. I am sorry that I have touched something that is so painful for you to remember. Don't be angry with me for that, I didn't mean it. Be healthy!
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 13: 24
              +1
              Have a nice one you too.
              Have you tried to cure the tediousness?
  • horror
    horror 3 December 2020 10: 13
    -6
    The author correctly noted that religion unites the Slavic peoples, it is not for nothing that there is such pressure on Orthodoxy, they are trying to discredit the church in the eyes of the population. The ROC has always supported the statehood of Russians and their integrity.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 10: 44
      +8
      Quote: horror
      it is no coincidence that such pressure is being exerted on Orthodoxy, they are trying to discredit the church in the eyes of the population.

      Come on, the church is diligently discrediting itself in the eyes of the population. She is trivially engaged in monetizing the "spiritual bond" and promoting her clerical interests.
      1. horror
        horror 3 December 2020 12: 41
        -7
        The Russian state is the core of Orthodoxy today, and there are still many people in our country who adhere to spiritual, cultural and moral values. And most importantly, in the church itself there are outstanding personalities who are ready to sacrifice themselves in the name of Christ.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 13: 14
          0
          Quote: horror
          The Russian state is the core of Orthodoxy today

          Are you fucking serious? - the state is the core of Orthodoxy ?
          Quote: horror
          And most importantly, in the church itself there are outstanding personalities who are ready to sacrifice themselves in the name of Christ.

          And what is the practical use of the sacrifices of these blessed ones?
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 3 December 2020 16: 13
            -3
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Are you fucking serious? - is the state the core of Orthodoxy?

            It's like that. The state exists to provide for the Church. This is how the idea of ​​statehood was understood since the time when the Roman Empire was baptized.
            Because the true state is the Universal Orthodox Church.
          2. horror
            horror 3 December 2020 16: 39
            -1
            You are looking at it from the point of view of an atheist.
      2. here
        here 3 December 2020 13: 27
        +4
        Here I agree. It doesn't take much effort to discredit the ROC, they themselves are doing just fine.
      3. Jünger
        Jünger 3 December 2020 16: 35
        -3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        come on, the church is diligently discrediting itself in the eyes of the population

        The majority of the population has long ago discredited itself by the number of divorces, abortions, drunkenness, etc. Therefore, if someone is bad in their eyes, it is more likely a plus.
    2. Sergey Nemov
      Sergey Nemov 3 December 2020 23: 39
      +11
      Quote: horror
      religion unites Slavic peoples

      Religion does not unite, but separates the Slavic peoples.
      Quote: horror
      trying to discredit the church in the eyes of the population

      The church has discredited itself in the eyes of the people. And the more churches and church propaganda become, the more people turn away from it.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 3 December 2020 10: 37
    0
    In World War II, the Americans simply took over Britain, forced them to open the markets of their colonies, give them independence, and thus bankrupt the Empire. So, unity is possible only on American terms. Yes, and Trump so screwed up brotherly Canada that only fluff flew. Returning to the idea of ​​the Slavic world is an empty and harmful idea. Russia paid very dearly for the rescue of the "brothers", saving the Serbs mv flew into the First World War. We don't have brothers, and we don't need them. not fed.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 3 December 2020 11: 02
    +5
    ... Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?

    The question is fantastic! If the gap between Ukraine already exists, the gap between Belarus is maturing, then what kind of unification is there? There is no agreement even within the country, but again the assembly center? What is the idea behind this build and why? Before the idea was communism, now what is the idea?
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 3 December 2020 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      Before the idea was communism, now what is the idea?

      Well, there is an antipode-Russian world. The main thing is not to promote it.
      Now it is not up to ideas to promote their idea. Expansion is good when you eat slowly at home. But now the economy needs to be raised - the overpricing for oil has passed and all the influence has blown away like snow in the south, and ambitions have grown.
      But there is no money ..
      But the surrender of allies / loyal / cultural and linguistic space / economically tied countries for the sake of ambitions and momentary profits hits the future economy.
      In general, you first need to be united and successful inside. With such data, it can and will begin to be attracted. And even if they do not start without ambition, people can also live comfortably. With a good economy and state.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 3 December 2020 12: 42
        +5
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        With a good economy and state.

        Economy is primary ... should be in a normal state
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 December 2020 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?

      The question is fantastic!


      the funny thing is that the Jew Polonsky is talking about it.
      Here is the tsimes of this joke laughing
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 6 December 2020 00: 42
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: Silvestr
        Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world? The question is fantastic!

        the funny thing is that the Jew Polonsky is talking about it.
        Here is the tsimes of this joke laughing

        it is time for some nation to be banned from holding government and public offices.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 3 December 2020 11: 16
    +3
    What attracts the Anglo-Saxons is the standard of living. If we raise our standard of living, then we will unite the Slavs, or rather, they themselves will want to unite with us. Otherwise, no matter how, as soon as the level will sink right there and be betrayed. They will only want to be friends with the rich or the strong; no one else will want to share with us our hardships in building a happy society, but there are those who want to enjoy the fruits.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 3 December 2020 20: 40
      0
      a comrade from above made it clear to you - a new unifying idea - give the prices for hydrocarbons as in fat zero then we will buy them again Dodonov Lukashenok Yanukovichev ... how we all worried about this pipelayer ... I don’t see another fastener for now ( ((
  • Disorder
    Disorder 3 December 2020 11: 27
    0
    Why are the Anglo-Saxons united

    They are not one, they are the only ones.
    Five countries are Great Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    These are not five Anglo-Saxon countries, but the metropolis and its colonies.
    And if initially Great Britain was the metropolis, now the USA plays its role.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 3 December 2020 11: 37
      0
      Of these five de jure countries, only the United States does not belong to England.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 3 December 2020 11: 36
    -1
    Why and why - unrelenting work with the population and propaganda. From kindergarten, through movies and games to the grave. The state is people, and what kind of people the state wants to get such and educates. We have scored on this - the result of breakouts every day.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 3 December 2020 11: 49
    -1
    I will also add that the Slavs were divided even BEFORE the formation of some kind of "Anglo-Saxons". Themselves these concepts as "Slavic world" and "Slavic unity" are empty shells, a product of the clumsy ideology of the Romanov tsars (do not feed them with bread only to liberate / attach some "Slavs" to Russia ...). It's time to move away from this stupidity, when some kind of assistance to the "Slavs" is being carried out to the detriment of Russians / Russians inside Russia.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 3 December 2020 11: 59
    0
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance
    Because Russia and its environment in its development traditionally lag behind Western civilization, but clearly follows its rake !!! The Anglo-Saxons survived their internal crisis in the 60-70s of the last century - they overcame it, rebuilt themselves (perestroika consists in removing everything obsolete from society and borrowing new progressive world ideas and concepts of development). And the post-Soviet space, on the contrary, experienced a rise in the 50s-70s of the last century, which was stupidly squandered by the authorities.

    And now Russia and its neighbors since the beginning of the 90s are in a systemic crisis - in a crisis from which it is difficult to get out without using someone else's experience ... And so far there are no serious attempts to overcome the crisis ... There is another behavior of the elites of the post-Soviet space - they pretend that there is no crisis, or if something serious happens, they include the policy of an ostrich - head in the sand and I don't know anything !!!

    The Anglo-Saxons are united because they overcame and digested their various problems and conflicts - and the countries of the post-Soviet space, on the contrary, have overgrown with different problems !!!
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 3 December 2020 13: 29
    0
    The key mistake of the author of the article lies in one sentence:
    Five countries are Great Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    It is naive to believe that Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are separate states. The Englishwoman did not comply with any UN resolutions on the decolonization of the world. And the reasoning about the sovereignty of decision-making in the territories ruled by governors-general and security forces who have sworn allegiance to the Queen of England is the sweetest nonsense. And the Trotskyist-globalist international, which lies at the foundation of the US Democratic Party, is a response to commonality with the Anglo-Saxons.
    According to Slavic unity, the author himself answered in many ways.
    Only one thing can be added. Fighting only on your own territory is impossible to win.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 3 December 2020 14: 45
    +5
    Quote: Alex66
    What attracts the Anglo-Saxons is the standard of living. If we raise our standard of living, then we will unite the Slavs, or rather, they themselves will want to unite with us. Otherwise, no matter how, as soon as the level will sink right there and be betrayed. They will only want to be friends with the rich or the strong; no one else will want to share with us our hardships in building a happy society, but there are those who want to enjoy the fruits.

    In the 80s, I, a young communist, was awarded a ticket to VDNKh
    (Carter's project was closed for a long time, but in the end
    the exposition was deployed). Much has been devoted to agriculture and amazed
    figure: 100 agricultural workers in China "feed" themselves and one citizen,
    1 US agricultural worker "feeds" himself, 74 residents of US cities and 17
    foreigners. And at this time, if you remember, there was a peak of "sausage"
    electric trains and I from this VDNKh lane home two suitcases of food.
    And the corresponding agricultural indicator for the USSR was obvious to me.
    Another example is titanium Kosygin, the maximum that he could is to launch
    one factory (imported!) in the five-year plan for the production of nylon
    stocking - capacity 5 million pairs per year! And this despite the fact that "there" had
    14 pairs per woman. But at the same time, a research program was being implemented
    Moon, Venus, Mars, nuclear power plants were built.
    So it turns out that the main ideology we had for decades
    and there is to this day-NECESSARY TO BE ABLE.
    Well, do we unite a lot under such a slogan?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 3 December 2020 15: 40
    +2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Silvestr
    The collapsed "mistress of the seas" has not lost its dominance

    And why is not clear. Is it not clear that in the USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the state of the forming nation is the Anglo-Saxons.
    But our ruler did not understand since Khrushchev.


    Some kind of dumb scheme - one does not understand -270 million is puffed out.
    Nicholas II did not understand, Khrushchev did not understand, Gorbachev didn’t ... I’m afraid
    this one just understood, Yeltsin ... I'm at a loss here at all ...
    Something is wrong at the conservatory ...
  • iouris
    iouris 3 December 2020 16: 10
    0
    Not understood. Is this unity in their blood? Then it is racim.
    Analyze financial flows, not blood composition.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 3 December 2020 19: 36
    -1
    It was already in 1945: "Brothers - Slavs!" it was, but it drifted away .... Ingratitude got out and turned into betrayal, and Russia does not forgive betrayal ... So is it worth uniting and leading traitors ?!
  • Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 3 December 2020 21: 31
    -1
    Quote "Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world?" - no. Russia itself did not find itself and did not rise from its knees as the authorities say. Lack of a national idea and a monstrous stratification of society, a constant flight to the cesspool.
  • Logic
    Logic 3 December 2020 21: 40
    +2
    The main reason and difference is economic development.
    Naturally, economic development is based on real, not imaginary, values ​​of society. At the same time, "economic" values ​​are not always righteous values ​​from the point of view of universal human values.
  • Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov 3 December 2020 23: 27
    +12
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance

    The answer is simple. We do not have a unifying idea, unlike the West.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 December 2020 01: 12
      +3
      We do not have a leader who will start uniting the Slavs in spite of threats from the West.
  • pytar
    pytar 4 December 2020 10: 48
    0


    The author has raised one controversial topic! And as always in Russia, very biased! laughing
    Under the influence of the West, represented by Austria-Hungary and Germany, a construct of political Ukrainians was formed, thanks to which it was eventually possible to mentally separate a significant part of Ukrainians from the Russian world. Now Poland and Lithuania influence the Belarusian society in the same way. Similar processes are observed in the Balkans, where the Serbs still hold out, but the Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bulgarians have long since given up weakness.

    Why is overlooked, the ambiguous policy of Russia towards the Slavic peoples? For me, in some cases Russia acted more anti-Slavic than all the Anglo-Saxons taken together!
    Will Russia be able to act as a unifier of the Slavic world? In theory, yes, but one can imagine the level of opposition that will be provided.

    No, Russia has a competitive civilizational project! Unfortunately! There is an archaic imperialism that repels everyone! And in general, how "Slavic" Russia ??? Arguably ... what
    There is also a question of expediency, especially with an eye to the fact that many "Slavic brothers" often actively opposed Russia and the Russians in different historical periods.

    Of course, according to the author, "bad slavs", Russia "never opposed the interests of other Slavs"! lol
  • flicker
    flicker 4 December 2020 14: 26
    0
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited
    The technological advantage of the Anglo-Saxons allowed them to dominate the rest of the world.
    This dominance unites them.
    As soon as they stumble, they will immediately fall down.
    ---
    Everyone who can encroach on their dominance is destroyed by all available means, and they have enough funds (thanks to technological leadership).
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 4 December 2020 15: 04
    -5
    The Anglo-Saxons have long come under the rule of the Jews, and they are beneficial to them precisely as a monolithic force against the Slavic world. The elites of the Anglo-Saxon world have long been Jewish, and they are trying to consolidate this world, smoothing out contradictions.
    And vice versa, the Jews fail to seize control over the Slavs, therefore it is profitable for them to divide us.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 6 December 2020 00: 45
      0
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Conversely, the Jews fail to seize control of the Slavs, so it is beneficial for them to divide us.

      What do you mean fails? Are you saying that power in Russia now belongs to the Russians?
  • unknown
    unknown 4 December 2020 18: 58
    -1
    About the dominance of the Anglo-Saxon component.
    In the US, FORTY PERCENT of the white population consider themselves to be descendants of the Germans.
    Add here, the descendants of the Irish, Italians, French, Poles and other Swedes ...
    And don't forget about the TWENTY-FIVE million Russians.
    And where is the dominance of the Anglo-Saxons here?
    Rather, a minority.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 December 2020 21: 02
    0
    Quote: bandabas
    [media = https: //yandex.ru/video/preview/? text = go + follow + me + 72 + meters & path = wizard & parent-reqid = 1606973716221652-402142070380656260800163-production-app-host-vla-web-yp-305 & wiz_type = vital & filmId = 11437388516256253298 & url = http% 3A% 2F% 2Fok.ru% 2Fvideo% 2F1560101654921] Unlike the Naglo-Saxons, we in Russia (USSR, Russian Empire, Russia) have always treated interracial marriages normally. So the term "melting pot" should be attributed specifically to Russia, and not to the States. And with ideology it is really sad. With "brothers" constantly does not work.

    Khan Nakhichevan was a Muslim, his wife was a Lutheran, and his children were Orthodox.
  • pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 5 December 2020 06: 36
    +1
    Why the Anglo-Saxons are united, and the Slavs are disunited: the reasons for the imbalance
    Because they are in the same boat, figuratively. They call the leader a leader ship. A nation of sailors. And we have for someone in the forest, someone for firewood. Which is also not bad in its own way. As the saying goes, it's best not to keep all the pots on one shelf.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 5 December 2020 11: 53
    0
    The worst dream for the Anglo-Saxons is the unity of the Slavs. They have been working on this all their lives.