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BOD "Admiral Kharlamov" project 1155 removed from the Northern Fleet

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BOD "Admiral Kharlamov" project 1155 removed from the Northern Fleet

Large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Admiral Kharlamov" removed from the Northern fleet and will be prepared for disposal. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the shipbuilding industry.


As the interlocutor of the agency said, the ceremony of lowering the Andreevsky flag was held on the BOD yesterday, and in the future the ship will be prepared for scrapping. The company that will dismantle the ship will be determined on the basis of a tender, the terms of which have not yet been announced.

Project 1155 large anti-submarine ship Admiral Kharlamov was built at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad. Adopted to the Northern Fleet on December 30, 1989 (traditionally "under the Christmas tree"), St. Andrew's flag was raised on February 25, 1990. In the early years of his service he made visits to Canada, USA, Sweden, Norway and a number of other countries. For two years in a row, from 1997 to 1998, he held the title of the best ship of the Russian Navy.


In 2000, the BOD moored at the berth and did not go out to sea again. Since 2004, the ship has been in reserve due to its technical condition (in the technical reserve of the 2nd category), formally - in anticipation of a planned medium repair with the replacement of the main engines (it was assumed that it would begin in 2014 at Severnaya Verf). For a long time, the BOD served as a source of spare parts for ships of the same type in Severomorsk. 31.01.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX was delivered to the floating dock of the Nerpa shipyard of the branch of Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC.

The ship bears the name of Admiral Nikolai Mikhailovich Kharlamov (1905-1983). During the war years, Rear Admiral Nikolai Kharlamov was the head of the USSR military mission in Great Britain, negotiated the opening of a second front in Europe, ensured the repair and re-equipment of Soviet submarines and ships with modern weapons, oversaw the supply of military products and weapons under the Lend-Lease program through the UK.
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  1. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 December 2020 12: 51
    +15
    Unleashed.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 06
      +11
      It was used as a training ship for 20 years. Standing by the shore.
    2. Severok
      Severok 4 December 2020 10: 01
      +1
      Unfortunately, in modern Russia, analogs to this project are no longer being built, but necessary. There is no replacement for this BOD, and what is being built is too small and frivolous.
      1. Machito
        Machito 5 December 2020 17: 15
        +2
        Goodbye destroyer, hello mosquito fleet.
  2. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 December 2020 12: 53
    +15
    It is a pity that not for modernization.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 10
      +22
      He was used as a donor. Thanks to him, other ships of Project 1155 continue to remain in service.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 2 December 2020 15: 17
        +1
        "lost, but not lost"

        my end is someone else's beginning .. in the dock of Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 2 December 2020 13: 10
      +6
      The hull was so worn out that modernization was completely impossible.
      Eyewitnesses said that "the state is as if the whole was poked with needles."
      1. Luty
        Luty 2 December 2020 15: 11
        +6
        His tragedy was in the corps. The case cannot be darned or replaced.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 2 December 2020 20: 14
          +3
          Quote: Luty
          His tragedy was in the corps. The case cannot be darned or replaced.

          Yes, everything is being repaired. A question of price and rationality.
          Another thing is that the body is not the only problem there. There, most likely, there is no living space on the whole ship, everything is plundered.
          1. Luty
            Luty 3 December 2020 19: 11
            0
            Interestingly, have you ever seen or heard that you could digest all the welds on the body?
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 3 December 2020 20: 51
              +2
              In the sense - to digest? Why digest from EVERYTHING? If there is a crack along the seam, then it is cut and boiled, right on the spot, right under water a diver can do it.
              During the repair, sheets and seams are defective. Those sheets that change, there will be new seams.
              And so you can replace anything. We restored one steamer, which stood "at the fence" for about ten years, one of its compartments was flooded (xs, why, the fittings did not hold, or the corrosion was already through). So when it was defective, it turned out that there was some iron left in that compartment .... 30 percent. It turned out to be easier to cut out almost the entire fucking compartment into ferrous metal and form a new one.
              1. Luty
                Luty 4 December 2020 13: 36
                0
                And if the metal of the case is not friendly with the electrodes that were cooked ???
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 4 December 2020 16: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Luty
                  if the metal of the case is not friendly with the electrodes that were cooked ???

                  This cannot be.
                  When designing a ship, the grades of steel are indicated from which each element is made. A separate drawing in the project is a "welding chart", where the type of each weld is indicated, and the brand of electrodes or wire is also indicated. Well, of course, all work is carried out by certified welders. A ship hull welder - he is generally an expert in his business, and not everyone will be taken there.
                  1. Luty
                    Luty 4 December 2020 19: 48
                    0
                    This was not a typical case and this is the tragedy of the ship.
                    1. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 4 December 2020 21: 04
                      0
                      I did not know such a circumstance. Then yes, this body is probably easier and safer to cut. Because there is not only the casing, there the set is also welded, and the strength of such a case will be unpredictable.
                      Most likely, a lot of something was stolen on construction in the already dashing times.
                      1. Luty
                        Luty 4 December 2020 22: 24
                        0
                        And then there are those who dream of selling something to someone)))
                  2. Luty
                    Luty 4 December 2020 19: 49
                    -1
                    The ship became because it flowed at the seams. Then it was as it was.
                    1. Nirag013
                      Nirag013 6 December 2020 22: 22
                      +1
                      The ship is not flowing at the seams! The sheathing sheets themselves are becoming thinner - simple and electrochemical corrosion, fouling and shells. Yes, yes, it is the shells, or rather, the mollusks, which are attached to the body, and leave deep ulcers on the sheets. And this wear of metal in thickness can reach 50 percent or more, up to 100%. And in places of welded seams, by the way, the metal has a thickening relative to the thickness of the skin.
                  3. Luty
                    Luty 4 December 2020 19: 51
                    0
                    It was tragic and not typical. The ship flowed at the seams and became without the possibility of being restored.
                  4. Nirag013
                    Nirag013 6 December 2020 22: 11
                    0
                    Everything is as you say. The body is defective, the worn out casing and the accompanying set are cut out, everything new is put in and cooked. I've been doing this (in the sense of welding) for thirty years. There were times when it was necessary to change 100% of the bottom area. For example, after landing a ship on stones.
                    1. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 7 December 2020 00: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Nirag013
                      I have been doing this (in the sense of welding) for thirty years.

                      Nice to meet you. I also have been doing it for many years, only not in the actual repair, but in the very technical operation. Before that, even more time - navigation. Looked out the window for money laughing laughing

                      So the topic of repairs is very familiar to me.
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 3 December 2020 05: 21
          -1
          Quote: Luty
          His tragedy was in the corps.

          So you will remember the 956 project! What was the building ...
      2. Cympak
        Cympak 2 December 2020 16: 49
        +12
        "Admiral Kharlamov" is one of the latest (or rather, the penultimate) in the BOD 1155 series. What wear? Rotted without proper maintenance.
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz 2 December 2020 20: 05
        +7
        A standing ship rots - with ulcers. In those foci where corrosion begins, there it goes stronger.
        A walking vessel rots evenly. And slower, which is amazing.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 3 December 2020 00: 04
          +4
          Quote: rzzz
          A standing ship rots - with ulcers.

          There are many factors: welding - improper grounding, disabled anti-corrosion protection, shore power - zero on land (water - hull). We should have foreseen this when putting on a suck.
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    3. seti
      seti 2 December 2020 13: 12
      +24
      Quote: Pavel57
      It is a pity that not for modernization.

      Inappropriate. The upgrade will be equal to the new ship. Fortunately, the CODAG diesel-gas turbine power plant with a capacity of 65 hp finally went into production. which allows us to hope that in the future the Northern Fleet will receive new frigates of Project 000 or 22350M with an increased power of the main power plant and a large number of launchers.
      Now the main thing, without loss of quality, is to gradually increase the output of DGEU and to stamp new large series of cases for them.
      1. Machito
        Machito 5 December 2020 17: 18
        -1
        Quote: seti
        Quote: Pavel57
        It is a pity that not for modernization.

        Inappropriate. The upgrade will be equal to the new ship. Fortunately, the CODAG diesel-gas turbine power plant with a capacity of 65 hp finally went into production. which allows us to hope that in the future the Northern Fleet will receive new frigates of Project 000 or 22350M with an increased power of the main power plant and a large number of launchers.
        Now the main thing, without loss of quality, is to gradually increase the output of DGEU and to stamp new large series of cases for them.

        The hopes of the youths nourish.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 December 2020 13: 37
      +8
      Quote: Pavel57
      It is a pity that not for modernization.

      Maybe also modernize the "Aurora"? laughing Nothing is eternal.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 2 December 2020 19: 46
        -10%
        Quote: Piramidon
        Maybe also modernize the "Aurora"?

        The Aurora is the most destructive weapon in human history. Just one blank shot, and the whole country is in ruins.
        So how, to modernize, to drive the river to Moscow and bang? Although ... where are you going to get the masses of rrrrrevolutionary-minded workers, soldiers, and sailors?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 2 December 2020 21: 04
          +5
          So how, to modernize, to drive the river to Moscow and bang?

          You are sending us some controversial advice from the States. wink
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 2 December 2020 22: 42
            0
            Yes, so, just brought here one and a half old, still Soviet times, anecdote. One, about "the most destructive", completely, and the second partially. Full version:
            - Why were the running vehicles removed from the Aurora during the refurbishment?
            - So that it was impossible to overtake the river to Moscow and shoot blanks at the Kremlin.
            And it seemed like it was a "questions and answers" broadcast by the Armenian radio, but I don't remember such details.
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 3 December 2020 13: 15
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: Piramidon
          Maybe also modernize the "Aurora"?

          The Aurora is the most destructive weapon in human history. Just one blank shot, and the whole country is in ruins.
          So how, to modernize, to drive the river to Moscow and bang? Although ... where are you going to get the masses of rrrrrevolutionary-minded workers, soldiers, and sailors?

          ===
          see no contradictions? we condemn one thing, we call for another.
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2020 13: 22
          +6
          Quote: Nagan

          The Aurora is the most destructive weapon in human history. Just one blank shot, and the whole country is in ruins.

          The country was destroyed by the February, not the October revolution. Oktyabrskaya began to build a new country. It's time to know this already.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 3 December 2020 01: 48
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        also modernize the "Aurora"?

        Duc, already. yes Six years ago I was lucky to observe from the English Embankment. her towing to Kronstadt. In the course of work at the "Aurora" they completely cut off the old, rotten, concrete-filled bottom, and welded
        working cue. I don’t understand the moans about "memory destruction". Although, perhaps, someone's memory really looks so unpresentable. laughing
    5. Escobar
      Escobar 3 December 2020 07: 17
      +1
      What kind of modernization, if it was slowly dismantled for parts, read carefully the article
  3. SaLaR
    SaLaR 2 December 2020 12: 53
    +7
    The Glorious Legacy is leaving ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 2 December 2020 13: 01
      +1
      built at the Yantar plant in Kaliningrad.
      Is it weak to build something like that now?
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 05
        +12
        Large landing ships, dock ships and frigates are under construction now.
      2. Ulysses
        Ulysses 2 December 2020 14: 02
        +2
        Frigates and large landing ships are under construction.
        BDK Morgunov
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 2 December 2020 14: 05
          +3
          Quote: Ulysses
          Frigates and large landing ships are under construction.

          Nice to hear ! drinks
          1. faiver
            faiver 2 December 2020 14: 19
            +12
            What's nice? Large landing craft with a displacement of 5 thousand. tons were built for five years ..., during this time the Chinese built an aircraft carrier with a displacement of 50 thousand. tons
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 2 December 2020 14: 26
              +10
              The Chinese are digging on the moon .... Where are we to them. Even though frigates and large landing ships are okay.
              1. Dude
                Dude 2 December 2020 15: 39
                +26
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                The Chinese are digging on the moon .... Where are we to them. Even though frigates and large landing ships are okay.

                Not so long ago (by historical standards), everything was exactly the opposite.
                An excellent, in its clarity, example - how differently you can spend 30 years of the life of the state ...
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 3 December 2020 02: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: Dude
                  everything was exactly the opposite.

                  Sergei hi This is what I am talking about, with nostalgia and anger!
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 2 December 2020 20: 13
                -8
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                The Chinese are digging on the moon .... Where are we to them.

                Nothing that we did that fifty years ago? What should we repeat like this again? I don't see the point.
      3. Cympak
        Cympak 2 December 2020 16: 52
        +3
        It is necessary on "Yantar" to organize the construction of frigates of project 22350, and then 22350M. "Severnaya Verf" rowing everything to suit itself. It is necessary to organize the parallel construction of frigates of project 22350 on "Yantar", and then 22350M. Then it will become obvious how ineffective Severnaya Verf is.
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 2 December 2020 12: 53
    +10
    It's sad. Although the reasons are clear, when a warship leaves for scrap, it is simply sad.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 2 December 2020 12: 53
    0
    In Russia there are no specialized facilities for butchering military vessels, and even under the USSR there was none. All our military ships were sent to butcher in Asia. Where will the Admiral Kharlamov be sent for cutting?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 13: 01
      -3
      Quote: APASUS
      All our warships were sent to Asia for cutting. Where will the Admiral Kharlamov be sent for cutting?

      A very strange decision. The ship is young, the penultimate in the series. The modernization possibilities are high. The large anti-submarine ship "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" for 10 years older than this, is performing combat missions right now.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 2 December 2020 13: 04
        +18
        If for 10/15 years he was a donor, then his condition ... well, nothing at all.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 2 December 2020 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        A very strange decision. The ship is young, the penultimate in the series. The modernization possibilities are high. The large anti-submarine ship "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" for 10 years older than this, is performing combat missions right now.

        In such materials, as a rule, they do not write the technical condition of the case, the percentage of wear of the main units and equipment, so it is difficult to judge.
      3. Eldorado
        Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 07
        +11
        He was a donor. They twisted everything from him and took them off long ago.
      4. Dude
        Dude 2 December 2020 15: 42
        +13
        A very strange decision. The ship is young, the penultimate in the series.
        A very strange decision was to put an 11-year-old first rank up against the wall, and then start cannibalizing it ...
        1. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 2 December 2020 18: 32
          +9
          A very strange decision was to put an 11-year-old first rank up against the wall, and then start cannibalizing it ...

          So the Sharks were cut like that ...
          And then there were no missiles on them ...
          And the mines cannot be adapted ...
          And there is no one to hang for personal belongings ...
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 2 December 2020 13: 04
      -15%
      To the Chinese, most likely. And I won't be surprised if they "revive" him. For iron and older ships are
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 13: 07
        -11%
        Quote: NDR-791
        And I won't be surprised if they "revive" him

        There is also a suspicion of this. 30 years for a rank 1 ship is not a period.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 2 December 2020 13: 10
          -10%
          Here I am, too. And if there are no cutting capacities of their own, and the competition is still being held, then the Chinese have no equal. They and our aircraft carriers coped at the expense of rebuilding. And they coped with the boats.
          And they have their own filling and engines.
      2. mark1
        mark1 2 December 2020 13: 14
        +8
        Do they need it?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 2 December 2020 13: 17
          -8
          They need a lot of things and they have money for what they need. Unlike us.
      3. lopuhan2006
        lopuhan2006 2 December 2020 13: 24
        +21
        Don't talk nonsense. They are EMs analogs of Berks like seeds spank, and you offer them 40-year-old junk for spare parts (which are not there). You have to think a little bit before you write.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 2 December 2020 13: 52
          -5
          Former Varyag, now Liaoning.


          And they built Shandong themselves by remaking our project radically, but recognizably
          So I would rather beware of bullshit
          1. lopuhan2006
            lopuhan2006 2 December 2020 15: 33
            +6
            Clinic. 40! Fourty years. China for 20 years already flies to the moon and makes stealth. They don't need it !!! How tight it comes ...
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 2 December 2020 14: 23
      +7
      Rosatom is engaged in cutting up in the north, so for a second, and not only nuclear-powered ships. And in Asia in the 90s they pushed them like scrap metal with a specialist in order to poke money
    4. Rzzz
      Rzzz 2 December 2020 20: 24
      +5
      And what special capacities are needed there? Any shipyard lifts the ship on a slip, rolls it back to the far corner of the platform, a team comes with gas cutters, and two cars roll forward - a gazelle brings up cylinders, KamAZ with a manipulator takes away iron. Everything is prosaic to the point of disgrace.
      And the cruisers were driven off to Asia, because the Indians wrote one price in the contract, and on the face of it, the admirals were paid handsomely on top of that.
  6. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 2 December 2020 12: 54
    +1
    Still finished off the ship! Here he is a control shot !!! ...
  7. Borik
    Borik 2 December 2020 12: 59
    +13
    For 10 years, the handsome ship sailed the seas for 20 years, stood waiting for repairs and waited, but not repairs, but cutting into needles. And it's a pity, he would have walked and walk on the seas, but our admiralty never found money for repairs. But he was not the oldest one from the 1155 series,
  8. xomaNN
    xomaNN 2 December 2020 13: 01
    +18
    In 2000, the BOD landed at the berth and never went out to sea again.
    !
    Only 10 years of active life for such a ship is not enough ...

    Taking into account the fact that some of the "systemship" are still in service, it's a pity hi
    1. Graz
      Graz 2 December 2020 13: 21
      +2
      I strongly doubt that these 10 years have been an active life, given who we had in power and the state of the army and navy, while the number of fuel and lubricants allocated then
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 4 December 2020 09: 47
        0
        I strongly doubt that these 10 years have been an active life

        No need to doubt

        The fleet in the 90s went to sea more often than now. There are a lot of examples (check out the chronicle of campaigns and practice shooting of the same Kursk). And then there were more ships at times
  9. Eldorado
    Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 03
    +5
    Goodbye. rest in peace crying
  10. Al Asad
    Al Asad 2 December 2020 13: 05
    +5
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    built at the Yantar plant in Kaliningrad.
    Is it weak to build something like that now?

    There will be an order-build. There are no technical problems.
    The shipyard consistently launches ships with a displacement of 3-5 thousand tons
  11. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 2 December 2020 13: 06
    +5
    it was clear for a long time, the engines could still be made for him, and the polynomial was removed for Zakharyin, who ran aground ... they rolled the nipple ... and even cannibalized, there are no spare parts, so we are waiting for someone else to be dismantled ... the ships, even if they are good, well, at least I honestly plowed my time for 30 years exactly ..... Chabannko Levchenko does not seem to come back either, so only 2 BOD 1155 remains on the Northern Fleet
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 2 December 2020 13: 12
      +10
      Next "Admiral Levchenko". He hasn't been out at sea for a year ...
  12. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 December 2020 13: 12
    +2
    "Marshal Shaposhnikov" was commissioned a little later than "Kharlamov", and it’s okay, there was a modernization.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 2 December 2020 13: 13
      +8
      ships fail not from age, but from intensive exploitation and accidents
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 2 December 2020 13: 45
        +16
        Quote: vladimir1155
        ships fail not from age, but from intensive exploitation and accidents

        Yes Yes yes we have just such randomness - effective managers.
  13. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 2 December 2020 13: 15
    +2
    It is a pity that the Navy has very few such ships.
  14. Merry_Militarist
    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 18
    +2
    And there is a project for modernization of Project 1155, and the first such ship has already passed it, but alas, it was rattled.
    It is sad.
  15. Alien From
    Alien From 2 December 2020 13: 18
    0
    It's time to rest, most likely they were dismantled for parts very much. This is how ships leave .... (
  16. Vlad is short
    Vlad is short 2 December 2020 13: 21
    0
    And how did you manage to bring the building to an emergency state, that it has not undergone maintenance and repair?
  17. Dikson
    Dikson 2 December 2020 13: 28
    +10
    A mysterious story .. 10 years of service in total .. and so many years of downtime .. and for disposal .. (((Does anyone know what the reason is? What broke on it, then they started using it as a donor? age for the ship ..
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 2 December 2020 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      A mysterious story .. 10 years of service in total .. and so many years of downtime .. and for disposal .. (((Does anyone know what the reason is? What broke on it, then they started using it as a donor? age for the ship ..

      Engines and hull wear, I went to sea on it more than once ... sadly (((
  18. svoit
    svoit 2 December 2020 13: 28
    0
    Quote: El Dorado
    He was a donor. They twisted everything from him and took them off long ago.

    It's never too late to put everything in place, after all, only 10 years in service - this is very, very little, I wonder if there are still ships abroad that are written off for scrap after 20 service?
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 2 December 2020 18: 14
      +2
      and abroad there are still ships that are written off for scrap after 20 services?

      There is not one.
      In the United States, the first four LCS built in 2008 - 2014. will be written off in 2021.
      In Great Britain:
      the first River class - Tyne (2002-2018), Severn (2003-2017), Clyde (2007-2019)
      RFA Largs Bay - (2006 -2011)
      RFA Fort George - (1993 -2011)
  19. Reviews
    Reviews 2 December 2020 13: 29
    +7
    St. Andrew's flag was raised on February 25, 1990

    In 1990 ???
  20. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 December 2020 13: 36
    +5
    12 years on the move and 20 years at the dock! Yes, judging by the comments, the problem with the hull, the electrochemical protection was connected incorrectly? We had this in the fishermen, there generally less than ten years from the new building and on needles.
  21. Sofa
    Sofa 2 December 2020 13: 38
    -1
    Yes, we do not know how to build such a displacement yet, it had to be repaired and modernized back in the 2000s, but now it makes no sense to stand idle for too long
  22. Pavel Vladimirov
    Pavel Vladimirov 2 December 2020 13: 44
    +8
    'St. Andrew's flag was raised on February 25, 1990'. This is how history is rewritten.
  23. ccsr
    ccsr 2 December 2020 13: 45
    +3
    Adopted to the Northern Fleet on December 30, 1989 (traditionally "under the Christmas tree"),

    This is a common practice - the end of the budget financing of the project itself and such a product must be transferred to finance it already through the operating structures. Otherwise, they will be tortured to write the memorandum that to allocate additional money for the project if it goes beyond the final deadlines for delivery and the ship is not transferred to the fleet. But this has happened in our history, and not only among the naval ...
    formally - in anticipation of a planned medium repair with replacement of the main engines (it was assumed that it would begin in 2014 at Severnaya Verf).

    It’s hard for me to believe that during a MEDIUM repair they change the propulsion system. At least in the ground forces, this has always been a major overhaul, not an average. But the naval "jokers" are such, judging by the forum naval commanders, that they could break through this too. I would like to hear a comment from them ...
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 2 December 2020 20: 27
      +2
      Quote: ccsr
      It’s hard for me to believe that during a MEDIUM repair they change the propulsion system. At least in the ground forces, this has always been a major overhaul, not an average. But the naval "jokers" are such, judging by the forum naval commanders, that they could break through this too. I would like to hear a comment from them ...

      Medium repair is the main factory repair of the ship and is designed to carry out planned work to eliminate malfunctions and perform a full survey of the material part in order to restore the technical readiness of the ship and its reliable operation before the next repair.

      Medium repair, except for the work that is carried out during the current repair, includes:

      - repair of main engines, gearboxes and shaft lines;
      - replacement in some cases of auxiliary mechanisms;
      - survey and repair of main and auxiliary steam pipelines, systems and pipelines, high pressure air cylinders;
      - a significant amount of hull work related to the repair of ship premises, individual hull structures and impermeable closures, ship devices, as well as hull flaw detection;
      - repair of weapons and technical equipment in order to restore their resource.
      During the period of medium repair, the ship is docked, as well as modernization works, which are carried out according to special solutions and are associated with the replacement of obsolete ones and the installation of new weapons and technical equipment in addition to the existing ones. In addition, work is being carried out to improve survivability and safety, reliability and efficiency of operation and combat use of certain types of weapons and technical equipment available on the ship.

      Medium repairs are also planned by the technical department on the basis of long-term and annual plans. For the duration of the average repair, the ship is removed from the permanent readiness forces.
      But the main resource of Kharlamov's gas turbine engine was actively "knocked out" for 10 years of operation.
      If anyone is interested, the USSR was the first to start creating serial ships with gas turbine installations and by the beginning of the 90s surpassed the United States in the number of ships and the total power of the GTU))) And look at the situation now)))
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 3 December 2020 12: 25
        +2
        Quote: ZEMCH
        Medium repair, except for the work that is carried out during the current repair, includes:
        - repair of main engines, gearboxes and shaft lines;

        Agree that this is not a replacement for the propulsion system - at least any deputy or deputy for armament understands this. But with a major overhaul, it is precisely possible to change engines - at least this is how the Soviet orders of the Minister of Defense interpreted it.
        Quote: ZEMCH
        But the main resource of Kharlamov's gas turbine engine was actively "knocked out" for 10 years of operation.

        This is the fault of the planning authorities, because the orders of the Defense Ministry have always determined the annual resource of any military equipment and weapons. And if the commanders allowed an excess of the use of the annual resource, then this should have been accompanied by an official investigation and punishment of those responsible. So we were taught in the Soviet Army by smart people who knew about technology and knew how to count the people's penny.
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 3 December 2020 13: 08
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          Agree that this is not a replacement for the propulsion system - at least any deputy or deputy for armament understands this. But with a major overhaul, it is precisely possible to change engines - at least this is how the Soviet orders of the Minister of Defense interpreted it.

          When undocking, a decision is made on overhaul or extension of the resource, if overhaul, then unloading, sending to the plant and installing new ones or waiting after repair. GTZA are also checked, in case of their repair, the middle one smoothly "goes" into the capital one. As one friend said - "The repair cannot be finished, it can only be stopped!"
          Quote: ccsr
          This is the fault of the planning authorities, because the orders of the Defense Ministry have always determined the annual resource of any military equipment and weapons. And if the commanders allowed an excess of the use of the annual resource, then this should have been accompanied by an official investigation and punishment of those responsible. So we were taught in the Soviet Army by smart people who knew about technology and knew how to count the people's penny.

          At the time of Kharlamov's active use, the Soviet Army was gone, there was chaos and confusion)))
  24. zwlad
    zwlad 2 December 2020 13: 51
    +1
    In total, he served 14 years. Why not upgrade that. Has the body rotted away?
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 December 2020 13: 53
    0
    However, a law should be passed, the equipment should be scrapped, if you please replace at least the same, but modernized, and better, the newest. Within our military concept, however. Then there will be no people in uniform cursing through gritted teeth.
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 2 December 2020 16: 36
      +1
      However, a law should be passed, take the equipment to the scrap, if you please replace at least the same ...

      Not just a law, but an amendment to the constitution! yes
  26. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 2 December 2020 14: 01
    0
    bourgeois economy. in the USSR he would not stand idle for 30 years
  27. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 2 December 2020 14: 05
    0
    Make a museum ship. 956 is already there, there would be a partner.
    1. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 6 December 2020 23: 26
      0
      The fleets of the second and third world countries used American destroyers and cruisers from the Second World War until the end of the 80s. A Brooklyn-class cruiser, EMNIP was ditched by the British during the Falklands War. And he could still swim. Usually with new equipment and weapons. There would be a desire to strengthen their country, and not to plunder and drink away everything they could reach. For me, it's better to have an old ship with different engines and new electronics and weapons than no ship. By and large, a Sumner-class destroyer can be crammed with so much of modern weapons that you get something very, very biting. Let the engines no longer produce 33-36 knots. But it is better than nothing or than another yacht for the next "democratically elected representative of the people from two or more candidates"
  28. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 December 2020 15: 00
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    Quote: Piramidon
    Maybe also modernize the "Aurora"?

    What is Aurora after the famous renovation?
  29. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 December 2020 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: cosmonaft
    bourgeois economy. in the USSR he would not stand idle for 30 years

    In the USSR, they really did not like to get involved with the modernization of crabs.
  30. Kara
    Kara 2 December 2020 22: 41
    +17
    It's a pity, until the last moment I hoped for modernization
  31. silver_roman
    silver_roman 3 December 2020 00: 15
    +1
    The sad fate of the ship.
  32. Escobar
    Escobar 3 December 2020 07: 19
    0
    With a displacement of about 5 thousand tons. BOD is about 7 thousand tons. Apparently, solid ships could no longer produce
  33. garri-lin
    garri-lin 3 December 2020 07: 39
    0
    The most offensive thing is that recently in the news he was uplifted as standing in line for modernization. Like according to the results of the Army 2020.
  34. EvilLion
    EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 05
    0
    I, of course, understand everything, but in 1990 they could not raise any St. Andrew's flag on it.
  35. Evil 55
    Evil 55 3 December 2020 08: 29
    +1
    They would have written that they turned into a "donor" and dismantled them afloat to such an extent that restoration became unprofitable or impractical.
  36. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 3 December 2020 21: 14
    0
    It is idiocy of the highest category - to use a warship of this class for only 10 years !!! Couldn't they have thought of anything? Probably. just didn't want to ... fool
  37. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 6 December 2020 23: 21
    0
    Even second world countries use old ships, sometimes installing new equipment on them. Sumners served for 50+ years. A "young democracy with a 30-year history" cannot have new radars / sonars and air defense systems on its own ship. put. A shame. Although what else to expect from the liberals. For "optimizers" I will repeat the elementary truth. Better SOMETHING than nothing. Better to live in a tent than in the open air. Better at least some BOD than empty space. SCS is certainly not MG42 but SCS is better than a musket. An old ship with new electronics, weapons and re-engineered engines is better than ANY ship. Well, yes, instead of 33 nodes it gives only 28. But that's better than nothing. And obviously better than a cartoon soyuzmofilm about another WunderWaff.