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German journalist: Our textbooks teach that British and American soldiers came to Germany with chocolate for children

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German journalist: Our textbooks teach that British and American soldiers came to Germany with chocolate for children

The other day marks 75 years since the beginning of the Nuremberg trials, as a result of which many Nazi criminals were punished. And many did not.


Today, the events of 75 years ago are especially relevant due to the fact that in a number of countries of the so-called Western world there are open attempts to rewrite history... One such attempt is to equate Nazism and communism, Nazi Germany and the USSR. It is extremely rare to hear the voices of European and overseas experts who pay attention to these attempts and try to achieve justice in the interpretation of historical events and their modern consequences.

One such journalist is Thomas Röper from Germany. He recently visited Moscow, where the "Lessons from Nuremberg" conference was held. The German journalist pointed out that propaganda today seeks to change the history of the Second World War.

Thomas Röper:

We are saying that this kind of propaganda began today. I want to say that it did not start today, it has always been. It's just that the degree of impudence changes.

The German journalist notes that the degree of impudence is growing, since today there are fewer living witnesses of those events.

Thomas Röper:

Our textbooks teach that British and American soldiers came to Germany with chocolate for children.

The journalist adds that this is already a falsification, since there is nothing in the same textbooks, for example, about the forced order of the British command to abandon robberies in German cities in 1945.

Video on the channel "Voice of Europe":

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 2 December 2020 08: 44
    +16
    The German journalist is right, the degree of impudence, lies are off scale and not only in Germany.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 2 December 2020 09: 50
      +8
      German journalist: Our textbooks teach that British and American soldiers came to Germany with chocolate for children

      For a long time this picture-poster has been waiting in the wings to reveal the essence of the "liberators of Europe" ...
      .
      We came to Germany, Europe in general, as liberators, and if there were any facts of violence against the population, they were brutally suppressed.

      The same cannot be said about our situational allies.



      The poster reads: “Protect! It could be your mother, your wife, your sister, your daughter»
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 2 December 2020 10: 05
        +12
        There are facts that the "liberators" among children valued girls, their mothers, aunts and grandmothers more.

        On April 16, 1945, on the outskirts of the German city of Freudenstadt, Hitler's "Volkssturm" militants knocked out two tanks belonging to the First French Army under the command of General Jean de Latre de Tassigny from faust cartridges. The French stepped back and for 16 hours in a row (!) Exposed Freudenstadt to shelling from heavy guns, calling American bombers over the radio for air strikes. The city was wiped off the face of the earth - 95% of the buildings there were destroyed, turned into dust. The Wehrmacht, SS and Volkssturm fled after the start of the bombardment: in fact, only civilians were destroyed during the shelling. When the French troops entered Freudenstadt, a delegation was sent to them, begging to spare the city. However, de Tassigny said that he adheres to the medieval rules of warfare, therefore Freudenstadt will be given over to the power of ordinary soldiers for three days. Many Moroccan and Senegalese soldiers served in the general's detachments (Morocco and Senegal were then colonies of France), and soon a complete nightmare began on the streets.

        Orgy of Moroccans  

        1400 families were expelled from the surviving buildings, taking rooms for the accommodation of the military: the homeless had to huddle in basements, sometimes ten people by eight square meters. Each woman was declared a war booty - 600 German women aged 12 to 50 were raped in three days: and this is in a small town, whose population is still only 23 people. Moroccans burst into cellars, stopped the Germans in the streets, searched them, trying to find gold: they cut off their fingers, if the rings were not removed, and the wives and daughters of the townspeople "with meat" pulled out earrings from their ears. Having looted more junk than they could carry, the Allied soldiers made bonfires in the squares, burning unnecessary things. Having drunk on trophy wine and schnapps, the Moroccans shot at teenagers and old people for fun - dozens of people died. French officers calmly responded to complaints: they should have surrendered immediately, and not fired at the tanks. After 000 days, de Tassigny's army left the destroyed, plundered and raped city, leaving no stone unturned there. Neither the general himself nor a single person from his "sponsors" were subsequently brought to trial for these crimes.




        A similar revelry of the winners previously occurred in the town of Bruchsal (in the state of Baden-Württemberg). Bruchsal (population - only 12 people) surrendered to the French on April 000, 2, without a single shot at all, there was no resistance - it did not save him. Moroccans burned and looted the houses of local residents, rape hundreds of women (according to various estimates, from 1945 to 500). Any German who stood up for his mother, wife or sister was shot without reason on the spot. The same thing happened in the German city of Constance on the border with Switzerland - there French soldiers gladly outraged 700 residents and took away kilograms of jewelry taken from the population in their bags. Until now, in France they write very little about this, and if such information comes across, it is mainly with the excuse that the gallant French are not to blame here: they raped, burned and killed "wild" Arabs and Africans. Nevertheless, the French military command did not lift a finger at each incident in order to stop the pogroms - on the contrary, it also deliberately set soldiers from the colonies against unarmed Germans, promising impunity.

        Jazz, stockings and cigarettes

        In 2015, the German magazine Der Spiegel published an article with the screaming headline "Were the Americans as bad as the Russians?" (that is, the very fact that the Russians are bad, in the West no longer need to be proved) on the topic of research by professor-historian from Germany Miriam Gebhart, author of the book "When the Soldiers Came". She claims that at least 190 German women have been abused by the US military. In total, perhaps (according to Gebhart), representatives of the armies of the Western Allies (Americans, British and French) raped 000 thousand (!) Women in Germany in ten years. Although American journalists describe the relationship between German women and “ji” (the nickname of the US military) as purely voluntary: they say, girls easily gave in for a jazz record, stockings and a pack of cigarettes. Based on the recollections of priests from Bavaria in the summer of 900, Miriam writes about monstrous things. “The soldiers took and raped eight girls, some in front of their parents,” says Michel Merksmüller, a church minister in the village of Ramsau. "All Americans were drunk." Father Alois Schiml from the village of Moosburg points out in a letter on August 1945, 1: “We took jiai for comfort 1945 girls, girls and women. The youngest is 17 years old, the oldest is 7 ”.
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        2. Reviews
          Reviews 2 December 2020 11: 52
          +4
          Zaluzhniki also noted themselves in France. So, it's scary to imagine what they really did in the Axis Countries ...

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_by_Force_(book)
      2. Avior
        Avior 2 December 2020 10: 06
        -23%
        we will go so far if we cite fascist propaganda posters as evidence sad
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 2 December 2020 10: 20
          +15
          Quote: Avior
          we will go so far if we cite fascist propaganda posters as evidence

          Yes ? But you yourself do not hesitate, in the comments you promote on the site "a bright image of Ukraine, denigrated by the Russian-Kremlin propaganda" ...
          How many times have I seen your comments on the direction - "In fact, there is not how they write"? How much more will we see?
          In this case, how are your attempts to "wash the black dog to white (the Nazi regime of Ukraine)" different from a one-time demonstration of this poster?

          Moreover, my commentary is supplemented with historical evidence, so there is no need to distort.
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 December 2020 10: 35
            -16%
            if I see lies or distorted information, I write about it, and I do not wash or smear anyone.
            but I do not draw the Italian fascist frankly propaganda posters as proof, as the author of that "historical evidence" that you copied and pasted, a well-known inventor.
            Even if the poster was German, otherwise they inserted Italian into the article about the Germans, for which the fascist Duce gave an order. No German? Or was no one interested? Is that okay?
            Read more from the author you have accumulated
            There is exactly one week left before the fall of the Third Reich. Kripo (criminal police) officer Wolf Lutwitz tries to catch a serial killer. An unknown person dresses the girls in the dresses of fairy-tale characters and kills them at night in the Tiergarten park. Exactly the same crimes are taking place in the areas of Berlin occupied by the Red Army.

            Soviet investigator Sergei Komarovsky goes on the trail of a maniac. But he will have to get into the territory of the city, which is in the hands of the Nazis ...

            Flaming streets. Ruin. A few days before the surrender of Germany. Two people who hate each other, forced to unite to find the killer and prevent him from disappearing into the smoke of Berlin.

            here is a photo of allies with German women from your own article, if you don't know

            success in your "testimonies"
            hi
            1. Sofa batyr
              Sofa batyr 2 December 2020 10: 48
              +11
              You are an interesting type yes
              Quote: BDRM 667
              the French military command did not lift a finger at each incident in order to stop the pogroms - on the contrary, it also deliberately set soldiers from the colonies against unarmed Germans, promising impunity.

              Quote: Avior
              Italian was inserted into the article about the Germans, for which the fascist Duce gave an order. No German? Or was no one interested? Is that okay?


              What's the difference who with impunity raped by allies, Italians or German women?

              Are you thinking about the facts that are being misinterpreted by Western propaganda, or about whose poster?
              1. Avior
                Avior 2 December 2020 10: 52
                -17%
                the poster is fascist propaganda, if for you this is proof of something besides the fact that the fascists had propaganda, then we look at the world in different ways hi
            2. Stasi
              Stasi 2 December 2020 11: 07
              +9
              Quote: Avior
              here is a photo of allies with germans

              And what should this photo testify to?
              That the Americans were carrying chocolate, or that Frau really wanted to eat and came to the Yankees to negotiate a price so as not to be used for free?
              1. Avior
                Avior 2 December 2020 14: 29
                -17%
                The fact that this is the title photo from the article that the opponent copied here. If there is already an article, it makes sense to bring it to the author's intention so as not to violate the integrity of perception. She's no worse than a fascist poster
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 3 December 2020 09: 34
                  +11
                  Quote: Avior
                  This is the cover photo from an article that my opponent re-copied here.

                  Yes, you are also a provocateur? They wanted to put me under the "article" for placing whole articles ?

                  Eyes develop, and make sure that my commentary contains only excerpts from the whole material in the form of two quotes.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 3 December 2020 10: 56
                    -14%
                    I don't do such nonsense.
                    Naturally, your article is not complete, I did not confirm this.
                2. Dart
                  Dart 3 December 2020 22: 27
                  +3
                  Slippery .... however, like all of you.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 4 December 2020 01: 16
                    -12%
                    I see a group of minusers has pulled up retroactively.
                    Oh well....
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 5 December 2020 09: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: Avior
                      I see a group of minusers has pulled up retroactively.
                      Oh well....

                      Group - a set of people (or objects), united by a common interest, characteristics, profession, activity, etc.
                      All signs of a "group" are just your comments.
                3. Dmitry Khayritdinov
                  Dmitry Khayritdinov 18 December 2020 14: 50
                  0
                  I'm wildly sorry, though not for anything. What photo should the author of the article put up? Where is the brave American soldier "roasting" his next trophy? So, unlike the Germans, who did not hesitate to photograph the moments of the execution or hanging of soldiers or civilians who were noticed helping the partisans, for some reason there was not a single photo where they were raping someone. And the photo to the public is not an indication that the Americans and their allies were behaving gallantly.
              2. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 10: 53
                -11%
                And what should this photo testify to?
                That the Americans were carrying chocolate, or that Frau really wanted to eat and came to the Yankees to negotiate a price so as not to be used for free?

                Like the Soviet soldiers did not agree so? Come on, tell us that no. They are not people, and they did not want female affection, they loved exclusively Stalin and the party laughing
                1. lyrics
                  lyrics 25 December 2020 13: 33
                  0
                  If you are so about my front-line father and my uncles who died in the Second World War, you are not afraid that "heavenly punishment" can suddenly grasp you. Only an outright scoundrel or enemy can "joke" like that. Take your pick. Or are you already whispering "and me for sho?" My father told me that, at the age of eighteen, he had seen a lot of things in the war, but the fact that Soviet soldiers massively raped or robbed the German population was nonsense and mean lies!
                  Yes, just imagine, you thought about God, about your mother, about wives and children, about girls, but remember for all your life - Soviet people lived with different goals and thoughts. They never had what a Western man has - self-interest and greed. All this is carefully instilled in us and our children now, but then, it was a crime and a shame! So, shut up and do not stick your dirty nose and your dirty mouth into the history of our country, if you have not acquired your mind and wisdom. Although, I suspect you're still a jerk.
          2. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 10: 49
            -11%
            You here threw such "ducks" and agitation discrediting the honor of our allies, and with gusto call them "rapists and murderers", I will see how your seat will shine when you read the same "agitation" by Anthony Beevor about the rape of German women by Soviet troops in Berlin ...
            You will immediately scream with righteous anger that all this will BLOW! Ko-ko-ko! Who are you to say to the WWII soldiers?
            1. lyrics
              lyrics 25 December 2020 13: 37
              0
              Suck this lousy article yourself. It has long been proven that this is 100% fake!
              And if you want, I'll tell you on my own behalf ... For all the atrocities and grief brought by Germany and its European allies to the people of the USSR, our soldiers would have to rape all the old people at the same time and all the surrendered soldiers and generals, especially, and raze the whole Germany in general. But I repeat once again, the Soviet soldier is not a conqueror, but a liberator of the whole world! Mind you, not an American, not an English, and even more so, not a French soldier, but a Soviet warrior, a holy warrior, born and raised in the USSR!
      3. Merry_Militarist
        Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 10: 39
        -13%
        For a long time this picture-poster has been waiting in the wings to reveal the essence of the "liberators of Europe".

        Well, in fact, everything was situational, someone did not touch civilians, and someone, like in Allenstein, even touched it very much, Lev Kopelev, by the way, wrote about this. Or do you think that after Ehrenburg's article "Kill a German", the soldiers of the Red Army will be Germans, even civilians in their arms?
        If you are trying to judge, then you judge fairly: on both sides there was both worthy and unworthy behavior. And even more so you have the moral rights of British and American soldiers, they fought on the front lines and paved their way to Victory with their blood, just like ours.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 4 December 2020 10: 52
          +6
          Quote: Merry_Militarist
          hands to wear?
          If you are trying to judge, then you judge fairly: on both sides there was both worthy and unworthy behavior.


          Yes, but in the Red Army, such cases were detected and severely suppressed, and in the Allied troops -
          Quote: BDRM 667
          The French military command did not lift a finger at each incident in order to stop the pogroms - on the contrary, it also deliberately set soldiers from the colonies against unarmed Germans, promising impunity.
          1. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 11: 02
            -12%
            Everything was stopped there, no intelligent commander would allow the moral decay of the Army. You just dug up agitation and shook out this useless junk here. These people paid in blood for our common Victory. And then you will ferment on May 9 and beat yourself in the chest with a heel, "I remember, I'm proud."
        2. Dmitry Khayritdinov
          Dmitry Khayritdinov 18 December 2020 15: 04
          0
          Along the way, while bombing Leipzig, which was completely pointless. And of course, you can compare the roads that the Anglo-American troops and the Soviet ones have paved with their own blood since the landing. At the same time, one should not take into account such a fact as "... on the Omaha section, 8 km wide, the situation got out of control Faced with organized resistance from German troops, from the first minutes of the operation, the Americans suffered serious losses and almost lost the ability to turn the tide in their favor. troops." And this is less than a year before the end of the war in Europe. As they say, we jumped into the last car of the departing train so as not to give up the leadership to Stalin in the victory over fascism.
      4. saygon66
        saygon66 20 December 2020 14: 22
        0
        - Yes Yes! And then there is the same poster with a blond ... These are posters from Italy during the Mussolini times. The rest converges ... He calls on all honest Italians to defend their land ...
  2. Yrec
    Yrec 2 December 2020 08: 46
    +11
    It's amazing that the effects of the Nazism / Fascism vaccination in 1941-45 lasted so long. Whether we like it or not, we will have to revaccinate the "patient" sooner or later.
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 59
      +8
      But I think not Germany.
      I respect Germans as people, as soldiers. I believe that all the wars of Russia / Russia with Prussia / Germany were initiated from overseas and from such a small island. Imagine the union of the German and Russian Empires? The whole world would shudder. Therefore, the arrogant will never allow this union.
  3. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 2 December 2020 08: 46
    +13
    And modern German cubs believe in this, the children of Ukraine also sincerely believe that the Russian Federation attacked their country, and Bandera is the hero of the nation (((
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 2 December 2020 08: 48
    +11
    They should show in their textbooks how the Australian special forces killed Afghan peasants in Afghanistan. How the British and Americans demolished Dresden with napalm and phosphorus bombs, a terrible sight. How American soldiers raped thousands and thousands of German women, about this in Germany they prefer do not speak.
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 4 December 2020 11: 10
      -9
      It would be necessary to show in their textbooks how the Australian special forces killed Afghan peasants in Afghanistan.

      It is better to tell how the USSR has been doing this since 79, as a result of "international assistance" a million Afghans died, and Soviet "gifts" are still being found there.
      How American soldiers raped thousands and thousands of German women, in Germany they prefer not to talk about it.

      For some reason, we also prefer not to talk about the non-systematic, but extremely brutal terror against the Germans in East Prussia in January 1945.
      1. Dmitry Khayritdinov
        Dmitry Khayritdinov 18 December 2020 15: 08
        0
        It is better to tell how the USSR has been doing this since 79, as a result of "international assistance" a million Afghans died, and Soviet "gifts" are still being found there.
        Where does this information come from? Is there a link to the source? Or another blah blah? Then it's worth mentioning how the states stuffed the countries of Southeast Asia with bombs in such a way that it would take fifty years to clear mines.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2020 08: 48
    +6
    The German journalist notes that the degree of impudence is growing, since today there are fewer living witnesses of those events.

    Different voices and from the geyrope are heard! They warn and remind ... but the general impression is that the mainstream wants to crush everything and everyone !!!
    If / when this happens, there will be no opinions ... there will be one line, which will be a parallel curve, which can lead peoples to nowhere!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 2 December 2020 08: 52
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      If / when this happens, there will be no opinions ... there will be one line, which will be a parallel curve, which can lead peoples to nowhere!

      Everything will lead to war again.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 December 2020 09: 00
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        Everything will lead to war again.

        A very bad, bad scenario.
        Therefore, voices of sanity are needed, so that people would not forget where a curved parallel path can lead!
  6. Reviews
    Reviews 2 December 2020 08: 48
    +1
    forced order of the British command to abandon looting in German cities in 1945

    And what are the "requisites" of the order? And then we got already photographs of the ISU-152 model with a strapped toilet and comments "from the other side."
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 December 2020 09: 06
    +10
    And what the Germans do not tell at school how the striped men bombed Dresden with "chocolate" so that the whole city burned down, but about carpet bombing of civilian objects? Although, after what the Germans had done in the Union, they should have been wiped off the face of the earth.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 2 December 2020 09: 25
      +10
      The Germans were also lucky that the Red Army took Berlin at the end of April, and soon after that the war officially ended. But if Hitler had held out for another six months, and it is quite possible that the "baby" and "fat man" would not be tested on the Japanese.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 December 2020 10: 21
        0
        I think they would rather be divided equally, and both half and the other as much.
  8. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 2 December 2020 09: 18
    +18
    There is an opinion on liberal channels that the Russian population has been so brainwashed that we feed on hatred, we cannot live without it, like a vampire without fresh blood.
    Hatred of the West, its way of life, its attitude towards modern Russia.
    To some extent, this is true.
    Deep in my soul, I began to feel discomfort if at least once a day I didn’t hear or watch a report about corrupt Europe, stupid Biden, his stupid assistant Psaki, vile Ukraine and insolent dummy Tikhanovskaya.
    That is how it is, but that is the truth.
    I just don't remember such a flurry of hatred towards Russians and Russia from TV, the Internet, radio programs ...
    Now they have begun to rewrite the history of World War II ...
    America allegedly won it. Oh well...
    They have twice as many people died from coronavirus in a year than in three and a half years of their participation in that World War ...
    Then they came to Europe with chocolate for children. I'm sick of this sycophancy ...
    The Germans themselves are not disgusted? A nation of scientists, engineers, thinkers. A nation of warriors.
    Maybe they are trying to forget how they were a nation of executioners, misanthropists, cannibals?
    And what? .. We ate nothing ... American chocolate ... What Eastern Front? .. We weren't there ... We fought in a civilized way with America ... Don't even burn Paris, didn't blow up ...
    I am glad that there are journalists like Thomas Röper. He speaks good Russian, thinks sensibly. Understands where the wind blows from ...
    But he is rather an exception to the rule.
    At an accelerated pace, we are again being made "Untermensch", subhuman.
    The Fuhrer moved to the White House and changes his last name every four to eight years.
    Now he does not remember the names of his granddaughters, he confuses his sister with his wife and wears orthopedic shoes.
    But the mood is fighting. Therefore, he surrounded himself with Himmlers and Goebbels in female guise, with one gyrus for all, but with an irrepressible desire to command men in uniform ...
    Don't forget about June 22, 1941.
    We will be ready.
    At least this time ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 December 2020 09: 49
      +10
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      I simply don’t remember such a flurry of hatred towards Russians and Russia from TV, Internet, radio programs.

      You rightly noted, even before WWII, there was no such hatred. Although even then the image of the enemy in the West was seen in Bolshevism and socialism. Both Bolshevism and socialism were finally destroyed only in 1991, and then not by military means. It would seem that everything, joy and brotherhood have come. An, NO! And now we all see that the entire West did not fight the Bolsheviks, but fought with us, with the Russians, this is their constant goal for 700 years, and it has not gone anywhere, but only becomes more aggressive and cruel. We have already gone through more than one genocide of the Russian people, but this did not end there.
      And when Russophobia grows in your country, it's already scary. After 1991, the authorities stopped considering the Russian people a state as a constituent nation. This is where all the pains of the Russian people come from.
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 2 December 2020 10: 42
        +7
        Quote: tihonmarine
        You rightly noted, even before WWII, there was no such hatred

        Well, then I was not even foreseen in the project ...)))
        But I dare to suggest that such there was no hatred!
        There was no television, no internet. And the morals were different.
        It was impossible just - to take and spit at someone. It was necessary to justify, to prove the guilt of the opponent ...
        Now - go for a walk, I don't want to! There is no proof - we can think of it! Not invented - not necessary. Let's make a strict muzzle of the face, say - "secret information". One woman said ... From the CIA ...
        Russophobia has become a commodity. Whole states trade in it ... Let the dwarf ones ... But the dwarfs also want to eat ...
        And there are more than enough such merchants inside Russia. These are the most dangerous. Received thirty shekels on the card from the owner - and carry the cross-eyed nonsense from federal talk shows or on the internet. Influence the immature brains of the USE representatives. Decompose ...
        Power, in my opinion, played too much. She is not in a position to portray democracy. His stigma in the cannon. No wonder the law itself brought to the Duma the impossibility of dual citizenship among officials and deputies.
        You cannot ride in two sleighs at once.
        Even if you really want to ... wink
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 December 2020 11: 20
          +5
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Russophobia has become a commodity. Whole states trade in it.

          And it did not grow from scratch, but it was grown for more than a dozen years, starting in 1917. Now, after the collapse, it has reached its climax.
          1. EVDmitri
            EVDmitri 2 December 2020 15: 38
            +4
            Russophobia has been cultivated in the West since the time of John IV Vasilyevich, when they felt that Russians just couldn't get caught up in cheap beads!
        2. EVDmitri
          EVDmitri 2 December 2020 15: 36
          0
          That's for sure, Russophobia is a very liquid and bubblegum product!
        3. Slon379
          Slon379 2 December 2020 22: 13
          0
          It is believed that radio made Hitler the Fuhrer. Technological progress drives all processes.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 2 December 2020 10: 49
      +2
      Paul, I agree, but only partially, although usually I agree with you on almost everything ..
      1. - we will not be attacked, we were already defeated in the Cold War and are now using the results .. sadly sad, but so .. by analogy, it is closer not 22.06.41, but rather winter 41 with the battle of Moscow and the opportunity for us to turn everything back, and the "war" has been going on for a long time ..
      2.In fact, for the sake of interest, open the news of several leading US media outlets - you will not see there at all that the Russian Federation is the main news .. they now have a coronavirus and elections .. and before that we were not on the first pages ..
      Let's be frank, the USA is discussing a lot more in Russia .. I repeat, open any news channel (except for the NI-e type, which is focused on Russia) and take a look ..
      3. In what I agree, they are not discussing from the positive side, rather as an enemy .. but I think they need us as a bogeyman, not a real war (see item 1), they are also a bogeyman for us.
      4. They want to destroy / destroy us ... I don’t think .. they didn’t even want to collapse of the USSR, then they need us as a "dark-light side" .. And what else should we destroy after the 90s?
      5. To rewrite history .. well .. why shouldn't they try to "raise their beloved" .. however, I think for them their veterans were always more important .. and 50 years ago too .. The main thing for us is not to forget ours .. And let's be honest - if you look at who snatched how much from WWII, you can say they won the truth - for them the main thing is how much to snatch, not the victims ..
      6. Probably it will sound strange, after my thoughts, but I will support the emotional state of today reflected by you .. really as if something is about to start and something is oppressive .. But one thing is not clear to me, what? because I don't think this is an invasion by NATO armadas ..
      7. Vlad, it was not some "West" who fought with us, but quite specific naglo-Saxons, with the rest of the normal relations were the main part of the time .. and most of all they fought with the Turks - 67 years in total ..
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 2 December 2020 16: 39
        +6
        Nikolay, thank you for your opinion.
        I read all seven points carefully.
        Most importantly, they do not contradict my statements.
        Yes, we lost the Cold War, but we are a bogeyman for public opinion in the West.
        Yes, a feeling of anxiety is oppressive, a kind of pre-storm condition ...
        I slightly disagree with the mention of Russia in foreign media.
        Yes, in America we are the material for the third, fourth pages.
        But in Europe, there are obvious newsmakers and live reasons for daily sensations.
        Russophobic sensations.
        But it has always been like this - we are neighbors on the continent. It's just that now Russophobia is going off scale ...
        Your attitude to a possible war is alarming. Hot war. You claim that it will not be ...
        Your words ...
        Russia's eternal misfortune is confidence in its own invulnerability.
        In the sacredness of this confidence.
        They taught us, taught us ... And confidence is alive.
        But I'm not sure that the Westerners will not have the spirit ...
        For seventy-five years, their fear of the Russian soldier has disappeared.
        It has been a long time since he kicked them in the ass with a forged boot ...
        And they may doubt our inevitable blow of retaliation from nuclear weapons.
        We behave too passively. We express our concerns. We threaten pirate destroyers in bulk ...
        Under Stalin, this McCain would lie at the bottom ...
        So - you need to keep your ears open.
        And the gunpowder is dry! No.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 December 2020 16: 51
        +3
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Vlad, it was not some "West" who fought with us, but quite specific naglo-Saxons, with the rest of the normal relations were most of the time.

        I don’t argue, the Swedes were a little worn out, the Lithuanians and Poles had a very bad time in 1772, the nemchura of various types of knights was building out of themselves, but Napoleon fell under the distribution, Sardinia was a boon, Zapadensky dill as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, children lost in the forest. Greeks and Bulgarians, they were either friends, or they were afraid.
        One thing is obvious, the Anglo-Saxons instigators at all times when they were not beaten.
    3. 9PA
      9PA 4 December 2020 09: 07
      -1
      This requires the 37th
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 2 December 2020 09: 20
    0
    Our textbooks teach that British and American soldiers came to Germany with chocolate for children.
    Well, the Soviet soldier-liberator in Treptow Park is also depicted with a girl in his arms, although everything happened. To accuse of "excesses" those who, as the song says, "the enemies burned down their home, ruined his entire family", somehow the language will not turn. But there were enough marauders, including those in general and marshal's shoulder straps. The loot was taken out in wagons, and this is not at all about reparations. General Kryukov, for example, sat down for this, and his godfather Zhukov got off with a transfer first to Odessa, and then to the Urals as the commander of the district.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Трофейное_дело
  10. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 December 2020 09: 32
    +5
    Lies and impudent lies do not wash away the blood of the population of Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg and all civilians destroyed by the bombing of the allied aviation ... And as the Russian proverb says: "You can't wash a black dog to white!" Despite the fact that the fascists were doing on our land I.V. Stalin never identified the Nazi gang with the people of Germany!
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 December 2020 09: 36
    +1
    Well, if the Yankees poisoned German helmets with parcels to the states, then the more valuable steel has already been plundered (these helmets are directly with the address pasted on) I saw in the USA, among the descendants of the "liberators" who fed German children with chocolate.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 2 December 2020 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Well, if the Yankees were sending German helmets to the states

      If you think that it is for scrap metal or as a pot, you are wrong. They were used as motorcycle helmets. And now it is a kagbe part of the biker subculture. Those who drive Harleys usually wear a German helmet or a similar plastic helmet. A real helmet, essno, cooler.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 December 2020 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        If you think that it is for scrap metal or as a pot, you are wrong. They were used as motorcycle helmets.

        No, the Yankees take what will cost a lot of money. In home collections, they are right there with postal addresses glued on (more expensive), and a helmet now starts at $ 500. So is the other ammunition of the 3rd Reich.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 2 December 2020 11: 06
          0
          I myself saw such helmets on bikers, albeit with non-native paint and stickers. Although it may be a remake or even plastic. And in 1945 no one could have guessed that they would rise so much in price.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 December 2020 12: 34
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            And in 1945 no one could have guessed that they would rise so much in price.

            We didn't guess, but the Yankees guessed. My eldest son is engaged in ammunition for WWII. So we saw in the states, there is so much of it that you will not see it in Europe.
  12. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 2 December 2020 09: 51
    +2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    ... the Yankees were sending German helmets to the states ...

    Yes, they were not lucky with souvenirs, they were not on the US soil, they had to be sent. But on our land, in every village and village in the yard in these helmets, they arranged feeders for chickens. As souvenirs, they did not take root, as they got rid of through corrosion.
    1. Dart
      Dart 3 December 2020 22: 37
      +1
      At my grandmother's, this helmet was lying on a pile of coal, shovel into a bucket.
  13. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 2 December 2020 09: 53
    +8
    British? Chocolate for kids?
    Rather, opium, and for everyone - this is in their mentality.
  14. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 December 2020 10: 45
    +4
    Lubeck, Bingen, Dessau, Chemnitz, Stuttgart, Magdeburg, Cologne, Hamburg, Wuppertal, Dresden, Würzburg, Hildesheim, Paderborn - these are just some of the cities where the Allies came "with chocolate", dropping incendiary bombs on residential areas, museums and libraries. historical Buildings. They bombed even in the spring of 45, when it was clear that very little was left before the Victory.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 December 2020 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      They bombed even in the spring of 45, when it was clear that very little was left before the Victory.

      This is called American freedom. They especially loved to distribute "chocolate" to children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and in the 50s in North Korea and Vietnam, children received "chocolate" called "napalm" and "orange". And in Yugoslavia and Libya they already got along with "cookies".
  15. ccsr
    ccsr 2 December 2020 12: 53
    +5
    on the forced order of the British command to abandon looting in German cities in 1945.

    Those who knew life in the GDR in different regions well remember that where our army fought, many settlements were damaged, and there were casualties among the civilian population, so not all East Germans treated us favorably. Especially those who suffered or suffered losses already during the presence of our troops. But those East Germans living in the western and southern parts of the GDR who were under the occupation of the allies for 2-3 months, greeted us as liberators. And until the collapse of the GDR, the inhabitants of those lands had a completely different attitude towards our servicemen, especially if there were small garrisons there, and our commanders maintained discipline and order. And this was noticed by those who were in those areas on business trips, communicated with local officers and saw with their own eyes that they had a different attitude towards our army. This is what it means to be under the rule of the allies for a couple of months - the vaccination will last for many years.
    1. EVDmitri
      EVDmitri 2 December 2020 15: 31
      +2
      Right! He lived near Weimar in the years 65-71. The German population treated Russians very well! And what kind of freundschaft we, Komsomol members, were strengthening with the SSNM! Mmm ...
  16. rozman
    rozman 2 December 2020 13: 54
    +3
    The largest chocolate they had was made for Japanese children. And they gave him out in Hiroshima and Nagasaki
  17. horror
    horror 2 December 2020 14: 34
    +1
    Honestly, the Germans do not feel sorry for what they did on the territory of the USSR. Soviet soldiers, in theory, should have wiped out this nation from the face of the earth, but the Red Army showed humanity in contrast to its "allies".
  18. EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 2 December 2020 15: 29
    +1
    And the people of Naglo Saks threw popcorn, sweets and marshmallows in Dresden and Hamburg ...
  19. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 December 2020 15: 58
    +4
    At the Yalta conference, Stalin proposed leaving Germany as a single state. But this did not suit his opponents. It means that they knew in advance that the world would be divided into two camps. In the 90s we opened the damper with our own hands, from where a fetid goo flowed out. This act of self-flagellation. And here is the result. Opening the archives in Poland should have been earlier.
  20. bk316
    bk316 2 December 2020 17: 43
    0
    Yeah, over there Dresden was showered with chocolates ...... It turned out cooler than Hiroshima.
    Actually, by all standards, this is a war crime.
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 2 December 2020 18: 52
      -1
      It is more convenient for them, the Germans, to live this way.
      A generation has grown up that does not want
      walk with guilt and anger at yourself
      and others.
      Please note that the Germans do not dig
      in history, as the same offended at all and all Poles.
      Nations always write history
      comfortable for yourself at the moment.
      We also wrote and are writing, so what?
      The Japanese teach children that Hiroshima and Nagasaki
      (I'm not lying!) - God's deliverance, which stopped
      the Japanese military from the continuation of the war.
  21. oracul
    oracul 4 December 2020 07: 18
    -1
    Our children for many years after the war, while the country independently climbed out of the monstrous devastation, yes, even helped Eastern Europe, only occasionally rejoiced in chocolate, replacing it with hematogen and sugar whenever possible. Anecdote - Anglo-Saxons winners in WWII.
  22. Sergey Novitsky
    Sergey Novitsky 4 December 2020 09: 35
    +1
    The main thing is that in our HOMELAND they know the Truth and remember at what cost we got the Victory over fascist Europe, we need to teach our children the Truth, Patriotism and Love for Our Fatherland from an early age so that people like "Kolya s Urengoy" do not appear ...
  23. NF68
    NF68 4 December 2020 20: 08
    0
    I will not be surprised if soon someone in the West starts to prove that on June 22 the USSR attacked Germany.
  24. zontov79
    zontov79 6 December 2020 08: 26
    0
    On Japan, American ki also dropped two bombs with chocolate for children!
  25. Dmitry Kapustin
    Dmitry Kapustin 20 December 2020 14: 17
    0
    The Americans immediately attracted attention, selling their ammunition, food and cigarettes.
    They only distributed free gum to children.
  26. Vanka Zhukov
    Vanka Zhukov 28 December 2020 03: 36
    0
    The frenzy, arrogance and deceit of the Western media is preparing the way to justify the war. Demonization of the enemy with the help of Hollywood, where the Pentagon has long been registered, prepares the population to justify any atrocities, for example, Ukraine. Where US wards burn people alive, use phosphorus, shelling of residential areas, destruction of sports facilities, ignoring any laws. Mini Vietnam.