Attack UAV "Okhotnik" first tested as an interceptor

It became known about the new stage of testing the shock Russian drone "Hunter", which is often referred to by the nomenclature of the program - S-70. The tests were carried out at the Ashuluk interspecific range in the Astrakhan region.

According to RIA Newsciting an unnamed source in the military-industrial complex, the heavy drone was first tested as an airborne interceptor. On board was an imitation of air-to-air guided missiles. The simulators were equipped with IR and radar seeker (seeker). The difference between the simulator and the usual aviation missile is only that it does not have a warhead.

The missiles can be placed in the inner compartments of the UAV.

Such tests make it possible to assess how effectively the communication of avionics (airborne electronic equipment) of the Hunter UAV with weapon guidance systems and the Su-57 fighter, which acts as the lead, is carried out.

It was noted that several flights of the "Hunter" were performed at Ashuluk.

Previously, the heavy attack UAV "Okhotnik" was tested in various formats, including the performance of a pair flight with the fifth generation fighter Su-57. These tests were found to be successful.

In fact, the "Okhotnik" can be both an autonomous unmanned system designed for reconnaissance and destruction of ground, surface and air targets, and an element of a strike aviation group with a fighter (for example, the Su-57) in the lead role.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

In Syria, let them test it on the barmaley, like a shock.

[Svetlana]

First, the entire primary set of tests must be carried out at home, at the test sites.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pessimist22

In Syria, let them test it on the barmaley, like a shock.

Shoigu will take your instructions into account.

[silver_roman]

but better on the Turkish army.

[fruc]

The strike UAV "Okhotnik" was first tested as an interceptor ......

ram interceptor?

[bk316]

ram interceptor?

On board was an imitation of air-to-air guided missiles. The simulators were equipped with IR and radar seeker (seeker). The only difference between the simulator and a conventional aircraft missile is that it does not have a warhead.

Can't read? - MINUS

[zwlad]

I wonder how one pilot on the SU-57 will fly and simultaneously give commands to the slave UAV? The load on him will be huge!

[Pessimist22]

Is it possible to synchronize control at a distance from SU 57?

[1976AG]

Quote: zwlad

I wonder how one pilot on the SU-57 will fly and simultaneously give commands to the slave UAV? The load on him will be huge!

Just like on the MiG-31

[kit88]

Just in case, there are two "pilots" on the MiG-31.

[Temples]

The task was set when developing new aircraft - 1 pilot.
The second "pilot" is the computer. Or, as it is fashionable to say now, artificial intelligence.
The pilot makes a decision based on computer data.
No one is going to overload the pilot.

In fact, a UAV in a twin is an additional weapon for the pilot.
And additional data collection for the computer is possible.
The pilot is not in control of the UAV.
The pilot decides to use the weapon.

[krot]

Just in case, there are two "pilots" on the MiG-31.

Just in case, the Mig 31 is an old device. The Su-57 has an AI that replaces the co-pilot ...

[1976AG]

Quote: kit88

Just in case, there are two "pilots" on the MiG-31.

Just in case, the capabilities of electronics are at times different for them.

[Vita vko]

Quote: zwlad

I wonder how one pilot

The onboard computer does everything for him. One of the test pilots once told about this. The pilot can only agree with the optimal solution to destroy the target or choose from several options. Moreover, for sure there is a tricky mode when the pilot does not need to interfere with the automatic target distribution and target designation system at all.

[Doccor18]

Quote: zwlad

I wonder how one pilot on the SU-57 will fly and simultaneously give commands to the slave UAV? The load on him will be huge!

Yes, it's hard to be alone.
Even in the Ka-50, they considered it difficult to fly alone and engage in search / destruction - and made a two-seat Ka-52.
Of course, since then the software has gone far ahead and significantly helps in control, but two pilots are much better than one ...

[1976AG]

The Ka-50 was created in Soviet times and the electronics are appropriate. Similarly, one can pose the question of how one pilot on a fighter plane can control an airplane and conduct an air battle.

[Kurare]

Quote: Doccor18

Even in the Ka-50, they considered it difficult to fly alone and engage in search / destruction - and made a two-seat Ka-52.

Piloting a helicopter at low and ultra-low altitudes is somewhat different than piloting an airplane several thousand meters. The helicopter pilot pays almost all his attention to piloting. There are simply no "hands" or "eyes" to search for and destroy a target.

[Zaurbek]

As the bourgeois say, on the example of F35. A lot of modes are automated and the pilot is not involved in them. Air refueling type. And this is a laborious operation and very nervous.

[bk316]

And this is a laborious operation and very nervous.

From a programming point of view, this task is orders of magnitude easier than combat support.

[Bersaglieri]

And what about the on-board computer?

[hydrox]

And who said that the Su-57 d.b. manned? It can be controlled from the ground in drone mode, and the pilot can be only the operator of a pack of Hunters planning BPs, a flying hangar for kamikaze drones, a repeater and a source of coordinates for the operational control of Gunships and other terrible things.

[bayard]

And why is the Su-57 for this? Place everything on the Hunter and be happy.

[Garris199]

Perhaps a master-slave scheme is implemented and the relationship between the DRYING and the UAV is necessary.

[bayard]

In this version, the Su-57 should be manned otherwise what is he leading for the slave "Hunter".
On the other hand, the lead aircraft, which controls the space from six radar canvases, acts as the leader of several UAVs, conducting air combat and difficult maneuvering ... and at the same time ... single ...
To me (and not only to me) it seems nonsense.
So the Indians wanted a double.
And we realized it was ... but so far only the original version of the T-50.

[hydrox]

Especially for the inattentive I repeat: this is the very case when the Su-57 acts as the "head" of the swarm: Russian in white !!
And for those who are twice inattentive (and those who fly on the An-2), I add that the artificial intelligence of the swarm is not far off, and the Su-57 is the most acceptable place for it in the battle area.

[bayard]

My minus.
That's for it - .
As for the rest, you didn't have to try.
If you have "artificial intelligence", put it on "Hunter", make him a flight leader, equip explosives with weapons for self-defense and protection of your wards.
Su-57 to cover the strike group "Hunters" - yes.
Managing this group?
Can .
But.
It will be difficult for a single aircraft to do this - the pilot is overloaded in terms of functionality. We need a second crew member - a navigator and operator. Here are just the Su-57 - SINGLE. It is difficult for him to realize his potential with one (!) Pilot even without the function of "leading".
Therefore, do not load so many functions on an aircraft that does not yet exist in the army and its pilot. Or take care of its two-seater version.
And decide on the concept of AI.

[bk316]

It can also be controlled from the ground in drone mode,

500 km above enemy territory? It only works against the Papuans, who have neither electronic warfare nor air defense .... And then repeaters are needed.

[hydrox]

Congratulations.
The repeater is hanging in space, try to remove it.
But why do this if you have your own AI, which listens to space with a scanner ...

[bk316]

The repeater is hanging in space, try to remove it.

What is the problem? GPS is in space, and everyone is not too lazy to jam it without problems, take a ride around Moscow and the region for yourself ...

[hydrox]

And what, civil GPS receivers are ALSO equipped with highly directional antennas for receiving a signal from orbit, and with constant correction by the transmitter of the receiver coordinates over a secure radio channel (laser ??)

[bk316]

And what, civil GPS receivers are ALSO equipped with highly directional antennas for receiving a signal from orbit,

There are no highly directional GPS antennas on aircraft and UAVs. Try to direct any antenna to 5-6 points at the same time when these points and the plane itself is constantly changing mutual angular coordinates. I don't know on ships ...
And then if you are in the subject, you should know that GPS receivers are not divided into civilian and military, but differently

[hydrox]

Thank you enough.

[bk316]

The load on him will be huge!

It seems to me that I need a co-pilot (UAV operator).
Or AI that understands commands of the "guard", "forward patrol", "escort" levels ...

[Victor_B]

We will catch up and surpass the states in the construction of UAVs!
We can do it when we want!

[Pessimist22]

To catch up with Turkey.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Pessimist22

To catch up with Turkey.

We will catch up!
With Israel and the United States, it's more difficult ...
(To the question - when? I have no answer)

[Herman 4223]

Why catch up with her? We have more than a thousand eagles alone, and this is for 18 years, data. Now there are shock drones. In September, the first Orions were transferred to the troops.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Herman 4223

Now there are shock drones. In September, the first Orions were transferred to the troops.

Where are they drums? Is there any confirmation of the launch of rockets or bombs from them?

[Herman 4223]

The Internet will help you, a whole line of new ammunition has been created for them. I think if there is ammunition, then there are tests from the carrier, what do you think?
Or do you need a secret video that is not on the Internet?

[OgnennyiKotik]

I saw bombs, I saw UAVs. But what would they be together, no. What's the secret? How does a bomb detach from Orion at the test site and hit the target? Do not make me laugh.

[Reviews]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

I saw bombs, I saw UAVs. But what would they be together, no.

There is no photo / video application, but there is a photo "together".

[OgnennyiKotik]

Thank you, step number 1 is. I agree with the wording "in the future, shock", but the armament is a pure reconnaissance.

[Reviews]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Thank you, step number 1 is.

They write that "B" has already been said, applied in Syria, but the video so far, one might say, no, only a muddy, in every sense, a video for 40 seconds where "Orion" is visible, and then a separate explosion. The ammunition itself is not visible, which, in general, is understandable due to its small size.

[Errr]

Orion-E is not an attack UAV. This is a scout. And in the photo you have presented, it is not a combat load that hangs under his belly, but equipment for the direction finding of radio sources.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Avis

There is no photo / video application, but there is a photo "together".

They deceived me ((Returning to step # 0

[Herman 4223]

What is the secret is not a question for me. For some reason, they decided not to post a working video, in fact, no one is obliged to do this. If there is ammunition and there is a carrier, then it is obvious that there were tests. You don't have to show everything.

[jovanni]

Quote: Pessimist22

To catch up with Turkey.

Well, with this "Hunter" is unlikely. Painfully dear. Yes, and for something different than the Turks, their "bairam" ...

[Herman 4223]

The analogue of their bayraktar is Orion. By the way, the eagle can also drop loads, and we have more than a thousand of them.

[Errr]

The "Orlan-10", the one that we have over a thousand units, has a payload of up to 5 kg. What kind of cargo [bombs] can be dropped ...

[Herman 4223]

Kamikaze drones, apart from the heavy harop type, usually have warheads in the region of two kg. Our hall is three kg. Polish where a replaceable warhead up to one and a half kg, but high-explosive fragmentation only 800 g he has. Five kg is not a little, if they guess to make a miniature KAB, then we have a ready-made mini bomber. Well, or at least now you can drop a TNT block weighing a couple of kg, the ISIS team did this with copters.

[Errr]

Quote: Herman 4223

Five kg is not a little, if they guess to make a miniature KAB, then we have a ready-made mini bomber.

Well, and where are we going to entu KAB, taking into account the Orlan's catapult launch?

He most likely could have left the pomegranates on the adversaries. There is no dispute here. These can be identified under the wings.

[Herman 4223]

He has a small compartment behind. Look at the military acceptance how he first drops some kind of cargo, and then a bunch of leaflets. Leaflets covered a field of 200x500 meters. Issue even five years ago somewhere.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not bad, in fact the Okhotnik UAV turns into a 6th generation fighter.

[alexmach]

Yeah ... subsonic, interceptor fighter.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The F-35 is also subsonic.

[alexmach]

The F-35 is also subsonic.

This is a false statement.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The cruising speed of the F-35 is 850 km / h.

[alexmach]

Horses, people mixed up in a heap. He only has a cruising speed available or what? And in general, over the past 50 years, the leading aviation powers have not adopted a single subsonic fighter or interceptor.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

How long will the F-35 fly in afterburner? I read it for about 20-30 seconds.

One of the parameters for a 5th generation fighter is considered to be the supersonic cruise speed. What the F-35 does not have, but this does not prevent the United States from considering it a 5th generation fighter.

A stealth UAV with air-to-air missiles is a formidable force.

[alexmach]

How long will the F-35 fly in afterburner? I read it for about 20-30 seconds.

I don't know, and I doubt that 20-30 seconds is true.

One of the parameters for a 5th generation fighter is considered to be the supersonic cruise speed. What the F-35 does not have, but this does not prevent the United States from considering it a 5th generation fighter.

Well, I say, "horses, people are mixed in a heap." Why are you talking about who is supersonic and who is subsonic switched to the requirements for the fifth generation? Supersonic aircraft were actually still of the second generation, if I'm not confusing anything. Starting from MiG-17.

A stealth UAV with air-to-air missiles is a formidable force.

And nevertheless, a fighter from it is most likely so to itself, and the interceptor is most likely not at all, because for a classic interceptor one of the main parameters is speed.

Here is a flying arsenal of constant readiness and long patrols, yes, it will be useful.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This UAV will not need to catch up with anyone, it will just need to enter the desired area at a firing distance and launch a missile at a target that is seen by either a Su-57 or another fighter or ground-based radar.

And for interception, we have Su-30/35/57 and MiG-29/31.

[alexmach]

This UAV will not need to catch up with anyone, it will just need to enter the desired area at a firing distance and launch a missile at the target that ..

... which by this time will leave the desired area on supersonic :)

which is seen by either the Su-57 or another fighter or ground-based radar

If someone sees the target, then there is someone to launch a rocket at it. At least some missile from the S-400

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The target will not go away on any supersonic, since the speed of the explosive missile is 4 times faster.

And you can see the target at a great distance, only it is not always possible to reach it and is often fraught with the risk of losing your fighter, the same Su-35 can see an F-16 fighter at a distance of 400 km, but it can only hit it from 110 km ( this is in the best case), there are of course long-range missiles of the R-37M type, only from such a distance it is difficult to shoot down a fighter with them, simply because it can detect a launch and has a lot of time to get out of the affected area.

And the UAV can be sent closer to the target without the risk of losing people and attack it from a closer distance, while simultaneously conducting reconnaissance of air defense systems in the area.

In general, Russia needs an inconspicuous unobtrusive UAV.

[alexmach]

The target will not go away on any supersonic, since the speed of the explosive missile is 4 times faster.

And the speed of the Hunter going to the desired area?

In general, Russia needs an inconspicuous unobtrusive UAV.

No, with the fact that in general the platform is useful, I generally did not intend to argue.

[Rzzz]

Quote: alexmach

subsonic, fighter - interceptor.

Well, chase Bayraktars, and other trifles, in automatic mode.

[alexmach]

Well, chase Bayraktars, and other trifles, in automatic mode.

In my opinion, it does not look like this at all. Too expensive, big and fast for Bayraktars .. in my opinion.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Hunter turns into a 6th generation fighter.

There is only nothing left: to install the product 30 and start the new software on the AI. And so - everything is fine, but only production is not established ... Such, you know, bad luck ...

[Reserve buildbat]

That is, the simulator is a missile without a warhead? And can you just start the "homing beam"? Or is it only used on the suspension?
I just do not know)

[Errr]

The simulator is a serial ammunition. It only lacks warheads. Instead of the latter, there is obviously a mass and size "blank". This is according to the text of the article:

The only difference between the simulator and a conventional aircraft missile is that it does not have a warhead.

[Zaurbek]

This is roughly speaking the seeker from the rocket and the weight of the rocket.

[Errr]

The mass and size parameters of the rocket simulator (in this case) must be exactly the same as for the serial product. GOS and other nodes are standard.

[Herman 4223]

I just don’t understand the point, if the blank flies on the plane, nothing good will come of it from the impact. If the target is an unmanned emitter, then why without a warhead? Or the rocket was not launched at all, then what is the point of checking?

[Errr]

I just dug fresh:

The simulators have a body and all the electronic stuffing of the corresponding missile, however deprived of the engine and warhead

Source: https://rusnext.ru/news/1606869872231129
More and more interesting. The simulator, it turns out, also has no engine.
I'll sit down to dig up the truth, maybe I'll get something.

[Hexenmeister]

I sit down to dig out the truth, can I get something

You will also have a lot of discoveries, it turns out that there may not be homing heads on the "simulators", but instead of them there is a "substitute" ... In short, complete nonsense about this in the article.

[Kart]

The simulator is different. The article just does not say which one is used specifically.
But then in the comments all the scammers ran up to cry out loud that everything was stolen again, it's just a blank.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Herrr

The simulator, it turns out, also has no engine.

Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ... (s)
1. There is a mass-dimensional simulator of the product. This is a blank under the plane or on a holder under the fuselage. Usually hung to determine the parameters of the flow of the incoming air around it.
2. The fact that without BZO (warhead), but with everything else - a practical rocket for testing the AGSN or other devices of the BEO missile. As a rule, the place of the BZO is taken by the recording equipment. The product itself is saved by parachute after the end of the "flight".
3. It is very expensive and requires a lot of support for practical shooting with a product to destroy the VC. In this case, the parameters registration functions are carried out to the flying laboratory (LL). Telemetry from the rocket avionics is broadcast on the LL. The rocket dies. There remain parameters for decryption and conclusions.
Therefore, the incorrect use of the term "imitator" misled our esteemed colleagues.
Generally, the "simulator" is more used for targets, on which weapons are worked out.
Examples: - the Favorit-RM hypersonic target missile simulator; supersonic - 96M6 "Wild boar", RM-75V / MV "Armavir" and 3M20M3 "Singing".
By the way, the Yankees do not eat cabbage soup either. They train all their air defense on the GQM-163A target, imitating our Mosquito.
Somehow, however.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Herman 4223

Or the rocket was not launched at all, then what is the point of checking?

Yes, they didn't start. In the photo of the C-70, which are available, there are no doors for the weapons compartments. Accordingly, there is nowhere to start.
The point is this:

The source explained that the flights performed "will make it possible to assess the coupling of the drone's avionics with missile guidance systems and the lead Su-57 aircraft."

Those. checked the electronics.

[Herman 4223]

No flaps means no, and the hunter gets a compartment. This means that there should be one more experimental model on which the use of weapons will be worked out and it will not be final yet, most likely.
If it’s true, then the hunter will not go into the series very soon.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Herman 4223

No flaps means no, and the hunter gets a compartment.

The compartment may be just some volume for the payload. Yes, these hunters are flying dummies for technology development. It will not go into the series, due to its uselessness.
The same dry had a really sensible project Zond-1,2,3. Here they are what you need. Simple, cheap, multifunctional. Of these, electronic warfare UAVs, light bomber, fighter, repeater, reconnaissance aircraft, etc. could have worked.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Herman 4223

Or the rocket was not launched at all, then what is the point of checking?

The point is to check joint work - data exchange protocols, electromagnetic compatibility, mechanical and electrical mating of connectors and suspension units, aerodynamics, etc. etc.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Herman 4223

I just don’t understand the point, if the blank flies on the plane, nothing good will come of it from the blow

By the way, most missiles are not programmed to hit the plane, but to be triggered at some distance from the target. So the probability of defeat is higher. For example, the domestic "Needle" aims at the engine nozzle, but a few meters before hitting it turns aside and flies a little forward, closer to the middle part of the aircraft. There are more critical components, there is the cockpit.

[K-36]

Uv. Ivan (construction battalion of the reserve), if you really strive to replenish your knowledge in the field of the purpose of ammunition (including aviation), then I highly recommend such a trusted source as GOST. https://studbooks.net/940224/marketing/klassifikatsiya_boepripasov_gost_20313_boepripasy_osnovnye_ponyatiya_terminy_opredeleniya
After reading, you will easily understand that the article is about training ammunition (according to GOST B 20313-74), i.e. one that can never explode due to its constructive absence!

[Reserve buildbat]

Uv. Victor (K-36), my question was not in the presence / absence of warheads, but in the intended use of the simulator: Is it possible to launch it or is it intended only for practicing interaction on the suspension. Alexander (Udav KAA) answered this question in great detail.

[bk316]

Alexander (Udav KAA) answered this question in great detail.

Well, right on the shelves laid out.
If you believe the article, then it was a simulator of the second type, that is, a product without warheads.

[Lech from Android.]

This is how fast he should have as an interceptor, intrigued.

[Reviews]

Quote: Lech from Android.

This is how fast he should have as an interceptor, intrigued.

It depends on whom and how to intercept. Against helicopters and other UAVs, 800 km / h will be enough. Especially if you use it from a position of watch in the air. It is difficult for a person to withstand 5-7 hours of sitting in the cockpit of a flying aircraft, and the drone can hang until there is enough fuel and after returning to refueling it can fly out again - the autopilot does not get tired, and the ground operator can be changed, their preparation is orders of magnitude cheaper than training pilot.
In one of the sources, they write about the range of 3500 km, therefore, the range is about 7000 km, which at cruising speed already gives a flight duration of> 8 hours, and in the longest duration mode, another hour or two can be added.

[Alex777]

Against helicopters and other UAVs, 800 km / h will be enough.

Against KR and A-10 will be enough too.

[Reviews]

Quote: Alex777

Against helicopters and other UAVs, 800 km / h will be enough.

Against KR and A-10 will be enough too.

In principle, yes, I forgot about the A-10, as well as about all sorts of turboprop attack aircraft of the "toucan" type. A KR is also a UAV.
And, besides, air defense systems generally stand still, but shoot down. If the target is detected in advance, then 900 km / h is enough to reach the launch line of the rocket in the front hemisphere or to the side. Of course, for this a "chain" from the C-70s is desirable in order to be in time at any possible breakout point (or whatever it is called).

[Alex777]

And the S-70 will probably be able to carry anti-radar missiles.
From all sides - a useful thing.
The question of price remains. How many will there be?
And when a new engine is installed on it.

[Reviews]

Quote: Alex777

The question of price remains.

"Izvestia" from Jul-20:

The cost of heavy attack drones S-70 "Okhotnik" will be about 1 billion rubles. According to experts, after the launch of mass production, the price will be reduced by 40-50% in comparison with prototypes.
The most expensive component of the Hunter was the glider - it accounts for 45% of the total cost, which is almost 600 million rubles. Another 240 million rubles is the cost of the jet engine.

1,2 billion rubles was the selling price of the civil Tu-204, for example. With a cost price of 800 million rubles.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Avis

and after returning to refuel, he can immediately fly out again

... and you can teach how to refuel in the air ...

[Reviews]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: Avis

and after returning to refuel, he can immediately fly out again

... and you can teach how to refuel in the air ...

Well, you really want a "easy life". :) Wait from our leaders, at least, just to launch different drones into series ...

[bk316]

Wait from our leaders, at least, just to launch different drones into series ...

And this cannot be expected from the leaders. The products are developed by the KB teams and the plant collectives are launched into the series.

[Reviews]

Quote: bk316

Wait from our leaders, at least, just to launch different drones into series ...

And this cannot be expected from the leaders. The products are developed by the KB teams and the plant collectives are launched into the series.

... and TTZ and the loot are sent by the Customer - the state.
It is strange that you do not know.

[bk316]

It is strange that you do not know.

I only know
1. Only what is already there, tested and licked can be put into the series. Like Warsaw women or S-400, but the hunter is still a prototype.
2. Again, what kind of leadership do you think the TTZ issues? Leadership of what? For the same Hunter, for example.

[Reviews]

Quote: bk316

Again, what kind of leadership do you think the TTZ issues? Leadership of what? For the same Hunter, for example.

"I have no more questions." Go to ... the library.

[bk316]

I have no more questions. "Go to ... the library.

The drain is counted.
I will just note without specifying this particular issue. All your comments are just a fan sketch. Boring girls ....

[abrakadabre]

This is how fast he should have as an interceptor, intrigued.

Not big. the article shows that the drone acts as a platform for weapons intended for interception .. That is, it is not tested as a classic interceptor. When it is necessary to arrive at the desired area on an afterburner alarm and intercept a given target.
But the combination of the supersonic leading Su-57 and the subsonic UAV is rather controversial. Unless just for working off. Because, if necessary, the UAV will not be able to move at the same speed as Drying.
In terms of speed and situational awareness, it is generally better in conjunction with the A-50 or A-100. And even several Hunters for one AWACS. At the same time, there will be enough operators for everyone.

[Reviews]

Quote: abrakadabre

generally in a bundle is better for the A-50 or A-100. And even several Hunters for one AWACS.

The most optimal. Synthesis of old tactics and new technology.

[Errr]

Quote: Lech from Android.

This is how fast he should have as an interceptor, intrigued.

On the http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bpla/s70.html indicate a minimum of Mach 0,77 and a maximum of Mach 0,84.

[Ros 56]

And we suppose further tests will be in practice in Syria?

[Nikolaevich I]

Sweetheart! How many years are you going to fight in Syria?

[Ros 56]

And ask how much you have already experienced. Daragoy.

[Nikolaevich I]

I agree that there is a lot ... but this is what is "ripe"! When "Hunter" is "ripe" for practical (!) Tests (application) ... hidden in the "Andromeda nebula" ... I think, still not soon !

[Ros 56]

Uh-huh, it was in the west, and not only, that all their mouths were rattled when Caliber flew from the Caspian to visit the barmaley.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ros 56

And we suppose further tests will be in practice in Syria?

And who is there to intercept?
The barmaleev does not seem to have aviation. Or train on their styrofoam crafts? So that's a completely different story.

[Reviews]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Ros 56

And we suppose further tests will be in practice in Syria?

And who is there to intercept?
The barmaleev does not seem to have aviation.

Someone's F-35s are flying nearby ... See how the radar "interacts" with them, how they react ...

[Ros 56]

There would be a good interceptor, but in today's world there is always where and who to intercept.

[Kuz]

Such a drone is probably very expensive. But the lives of the pilots are, of course, more expensive. Good luck to the developers.

[Ilya098]

I remember someone on this website wrote that the Hunter would never become an interceptor / fighter, but would simply be an unmanned bomber. Nevertheless, such a possibility was added. Interestingly, with such a load (with air-to-air missiles), can the Hunter be considered a "loyal wingman" or not?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ilya098

Interceptor / fighter The Hunter will never become, but simply an unmanned bomber.

Quite right. The Hunter's design prevents him from being an interceptor / fighter. Scout / bomber only.

[Ilya098]

The interceptor must detect and engage air targets in the absence of visual contact, using radar and Air-to-Air missiles. This is on the hunter, therefore there is a possibility of using it as an interceptor, and the title speaks for itself

Attack UAV "Okhotnik" first tested as an interceptor

Enlighten me if I forgot something, and something else is needed for the interceptor. Well, the Hunter has already been used as an additional radar for the Su57.

The unmanned aerial vehicle made a flight in an automated mode, the interaction between the "Okhotnik" and the leader aircraft was practiced to expand the fighter's radar field and target designation for the use of long-range aircraft weapons without the Su-57 entering the zone of conditional air defense counteraction.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ilya098

Enlighten me if I forgot something, and something else is needed for the interceptor.

Supersonic speed 2-3M, high maneuverability.
The "flying wing" scheme does not allow to gain even about sound speed, 1000 km / h is the ceiling. The maneuverability of this scheme is extremely mediocre.
Air-to-air missiles and radars are armed with both the MQ-9 and the super toucan and the A10. This does not make them fighters, let alone interceptors.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Supersonic speed 2-3M, high maneuverability.

But why?
The interceptor needs speed to quickly exit towards the intruder, but the drone is already always in position.
The interceptor does not need maneuverability at all. He should not enter into air combat. He must at the right moment be on the path of the intruder, detect him and launch a rocket towards him.

And Supertukano, by the way, is regularly used precisely as interceptors.

[Ilya098]

The interceptor does not need high maneuverability, the same moment 31 has high speed but lacks good maneuverability (he does not need it), and high speed helps to quickly get to the desired area, and maybe a high initial speed increases the missile's range, but still for the interceptor more important than missiles and radar.

Why then is the F35 called a fighter? Poor maneuverability, lower speed than su57
(F35B is generally forbidden to go to supersonic), but it is still called a fighter. He has a different concept, the first to notice - the first to destroy. Of course, even some 4th generation aircraft will defeat the F35 in close combat, here it is hopeless, but in long-range combat it has at least parity, if not superiority. If we compare the capabilities of the hunter and the tasks of the fighter of the F35 concept, then the hunter is quite good in this regard, unobtrusive, well armed, and the flying wing allows you to take more useful payload and reduces the RCS.
He was the first to find → the first to shoot → the first to shoot down, there is a radar and missiles for this, and the speed, as in the case of the F35, does not play such an important role.

Obviously, the Hunter is weaker than the moment31 as an interceptor and no one will replace them with it, but at least the c70 is capable of filling the gap in the defense. If it flies in tandem with a drying, then he is able to help the leader with the destruction / detection of a target at long distances. And of course this is primarily a stealthy bomber. Versatility is a useful thing.

[OgnennyiKotik]

F35 shock IB, not to gain air superiority as an interceptor it was never positioned. The ban on going to supersonic was lifted a long time ago, it was introduced during trial operation. I agree with the tactics.

We need a massive, relatively cheap, multifunctional winged aircraft for the Su-30/34/35/57. Like this:

In 2014, the Sukhoi Design Bureau announced the Zond-1 UAV project and its version of the Zond-2 early-range radar detection (AWACS) HALE class with a wingspan of 35 meters, a flight height of up to 16 kilometers and a flight duration of up to 24 hours. Two AI-222-25 turbojet engines (TRD), used on the Yak-130 training aircraft, were supposed to be used as engines.

On the basis of the Probe and make various modifications (electronic warfare, repeater, strike, fighter, reconnaissance, etc.) Instead, they make an expensive, complex, narrow UAV. In the US Air Force, according to the "flying wing" scheme, only the B-2 strategists and in the future B-21 remained. All UAV projects with this scheme in the US Air Force and Navy ended with a refusal to enter service or the choice of a UAV according to the classical scheme. The only thing that is from the UAV is a couple of dozen RQ-170 operated by the command of special operations.
If the S-70 will use a radar, it will glow like a tree, nothing will remain from its low ESR, an external illumination is needed. From whom? Leading information security? So the slave's task is to protect the master. So it must be an emitter, a very expensive emitter. The “flying wing” scheme is many times more expensive than the normal one, even in stealth design.
A striking example is the competition for MQ-25. When tested and ready for mass production, the X-47B lost out to the Boeing paper project. The creation, testing, and fine-tuning of the UAV according to the normal scheme turned out to be cheaper than just the production according to the flying wing scheme.

The usual dough is being cut, instead of simple, logical, cheap solutions, a wunderwaffe for parades is being created.

[Reviews]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Flying wing scheme, many times more expensive than normal

What is this nonsense?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Harsh reality. Why do you think so few planes follow this scheme?

The most expensive component of the Hunter was the glider - it accounts for 45% of the total cost, which is almost 600 million rubles.

600 million is the entire Yak-130 or half of the MiG-29. With glider, engines, avionics, etc.

[Reviews]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Harsh reality. Why do you think so few planes follow this scheme?

I don't think i I know... Because the LC has mediocre VPH, some directional instability and increased cruising resistance due to specific profiles. This all belonged to the pre-EDSU era. Most of these problems have now been overcome.
But if You thought , you would have noticed long ago that the LK airframe is structurally simpler than the airframe of a classic aircraft - there is no fuselage and its interfaces with the wing, there is no tail. Congratulations Eagle Eye, the prison didn't have a fourth wall. :)

[Ilya098]

A striking example is the competition for MQ-25. When tested and ready for mass production, the X-47B lost out to the Boeing paper project. The creation, testing, and fine-tuning of the UAV according to the normal scheme turned out to be cheaper than just the production according to the flying wing scheme.

The US Navy, in principle, postponed the creation of an attack drone, because of this, the finished attack X-47B went to the museum. The MQ25 is not supplied as an attack drone, but as an unmanned tanker, and these are very different tasks. For large attack drones, a flying wing is preferable, due to the peculiarities of this scheme, less engine power is required to maintain cruising speed, fuel is saved, the radius increases + the already mentioned stealth. It is not only in the United States and the Russian Federation that made such a decision, UAVs with a flying wing are being developed by Dassault, BAE Systems, Avic (China) and the already mentioned Boeing, judging by Wikipedia, also continues to work on its Phantom Ray.

[Object.F7]

Indeed, the flying wing scheme is not compatible with supersonic and good maneuverability. Of the vehicles you named, only the ripper is unmanned, but the Hunter is twice as fast! You have given a list of three aircraft, each of which will lose to the Hunter in all possible parameters, except for the warthog's combat load, but he has no low visibility and will have to risk the pilot. So for the tasks of clearing the glade from bayraktar-like ones, the Hunter can become an ideal fighter. With his speed and combat load, he is like a Tyrannosaurus, where Bayraktars are slow and vulnerable grazing.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ilya098

something else is needed for the interceptor.

A secure broadband radio link and a targeting officer - at least! It would be nice to have a passive highly sensitive (OLS or PRLS) detection system for enemy aircraft and an over-long-range explosive missile of the R-77K type.
("A beautiful wife, a manor ... what else is needed for a calm old age !?" (c)

[bk316]

("A beautiful wife, a manor ... what else is needed for a calm old age !?" (c)

AI is also capable of executing high-level commands such as escort, forward patrol, and guard.
And then one su-57 can be added to the heels of the Hunters. And the tactics of combat with American groups (F-22 F-35 AWACS) are changing a lot.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bk316

AI is also capable of executing high-level commands such as escort, forward patrol, and guard.

Pancake! This reminds me of Mukhtar's "training" ...
Most likely, there will be an IZOI without voice, hardware, by pressing one button / key, so that the command-impulses are as short as possible. In order not to shine on the air. Most likely this will be done by the navigator-operator on the twin. Although, I could be wrong.

[bk316]

This reminds me of Mukhtar's "training" ...

Type "accompany" not in the sense that voice.
And the fact that the high-level team "do not shoot at this plane" "we can be attacked and destroy threatening objects." Otherwise, it is impossible to cope with 5-7 UAVs.

[awdrgy]

A hunter for drones And if in conjunction with unmanned helicopters that are loaded to the eyeballs with rackets against drones? I’m thinking, nevertheless, on a helicopter, you can put a little more long-range rackets than on small drones that are problematic for air defense

[Kart]

And if instead of missiles, it is also loaded with drones, smaller ones, and they are in turn with corresponding high-precision ammunition?
Ugh, I wrote nonsense.

[awdrgy]

Why nonsense? It will just be a little expensive

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Carte

Ugh, I wrote nonsense.

Don’t spit! There are people around! And don't hesitate to bre ... dream! If you knew what kind of people were "delusional" like this ... Jules Verne, Hebert Wells ....!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Carte

if instead of missiles it is also loaded with drones, smaller ones, and those in turn are in turn with corresponding high-precision ammunition?

Yes, not delusional at all.
This is a plane, a classic of the genre. A heavy long-range vehicle carries a "swarm" of smaller vehicles.
Well, or you can compare it with cluster munitions, all together on one powerful engine flew closer to the target, and then everyone himself, himself, himself.

[voyaka uh]

They are already experiencing this.
Two Kratos jet drones are suspended under the F-15 wings
(not Valkyrie, but small UTAP-22). And they carry missiles.

[OgnennyiKotik]

You can look at it in kind.

[Hexenmeister]

All the same, it is not clear what was tested. One side:

a heavy drone was first tested as an air interceptor

, that is, it turns out that he did everything himself, and sought targets and controlled missiles, on the other hand:

Such tests make it possible to assess how effectively the communication of avionics (airborne electronic equipment) of the Hunter UAV with weapon guidance systems and the Su-57 fighter, which acts as the lead, is carried out.

it turns out that there was also a fighter, and the drone was, as it were, a "slave", and did everything on someone else's orders, but there was not a word about the flight of the Su-57 during this test.

[Hexenmeister]

Here's some more information:

Flight tests of the S-70 "Okhotnik" unmanned aerial vehicle have begun as a fighter-interceptor. The device has performed several successful flights with simulators of air-to-air missiles to assess the interface of its onboard electronic systems with ammunition guidance heads.

that is, the flight can be considered "about nothing", well, we checked the interaction and checked, there was no "interception". Further, a little more specifics:

If initially it was stated that the "Hunter" would be used for strikes on ground and surface targets, now its capabilities have been expanded. It becomes the world's first unmanned fighter-interceptor. For now, all information about the air situation will be received by the pilot of the Su-57, who will decide which target to attack with which missiles, after which he will transmit the command to the drone.

if we leave aside about the "first in the world", it turns out that this is a "driven" system, with all the ensuing consequences. It is true that the clarification about "So far all information about the air situation will be received by the pilot of the Su-57" is not clear, and then what, he himself will be able, and with the help of what systems? And when will this come later, if we take into account how long it takes to develop a radar for the T-50?

[Nitarius]

good luck to the testers)) beautiful Hunter came out)))

[Tektor]

Hare to test, it's time to rivet: pieces are desperately needed.

[Nikolaevich I]

Attack UAV "Okhotnik" first tested as an interceptor ...
Will they give him an anti-satellite missile?

[Merry_Militarist]

But this is notable! These are good fellows "Sukhovtsy", a multipurpose heavy drone, needed, of course, yesterday. But the plans, so far, seem to be only 3 units. But handsome, devil!

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: Ros 56

And we suppose further tests will be in practice in Syria?

probably if the Basmachi have planes ... although you can probably frighten the Turkish "friend" sometimes :)

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Temples

Pilot makes a decision on the use of weapons.

This is an insurmountable barrier for all scientists to introduce AI into weapons systems.
It's time to give this right to the car.

[Observer2014]

Attack UAV "Okhotnik" first tested as an interceptor

In the madhouse, even felt boots were spiers. Who printed this nonsense? What is he an interceptor? :

[svoit]

To be honest, I strongly doubt its effectiveness, we need UAVs with a low ESR so that small and medium air defense systems could not shoot them down, and such monsters probably have a huge RCS, no less than 0.5 sq. M. And as a consumable they are not very good ... . Can only be suitable as a strategic intelligence officer.

Quote: Observer2014

What is he an interceptor? :

Attach air-to-air missiles will also be an interceptor, and if also a normal AFAR ...

[STORM 12]

.......................................... ROFAR

[Klingon]

Quote: Pessimist22

In Syria, let them test it on the barmaley, like a shock.

for the barmaley, and what is simpler, such as Orion and Thunder, are suitable. Where it is not necessary to break through the air defense. He is a hunter for completely different purposes.

[STORM 12]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Attack UAV "Okhotnik" first tested as an interceptor ...
Will they give him an anti-satellite missile?

As a result, Zircon will be delivered,

[Siegfried]

I'm afraid the hunter will pull in the role of a fighter a maximum of a "pylon for missiles" and its survivability given the huge engine nozzle sticking out openly behind is small.
But in tandem with the Su-57, it would be possible to create different versions of this carrier, such as radar (other wave frequencies than the leading Su) and a banal missile carrier. The radar can fly as far ahead as possible and see farther than the Su-57 and detect targets earlier. But the hunter clearly cannot handle interception missions without the Su-57.