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F-15QA. Another representative of the family and a groundwork for the future

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The first flight of an experienced F-15QA, April 2020 Photo by Boeing


In the United States, full-scale tests of the promising F-15QA fighter, intended for the Qatar Air Force, continue. In the foreseeable future, this car will be brought to mass production, as a result of which the Qatari Air Force will become the owners of perhaps the most advanced version of the F-15.

International cooperation


Preliminary agreements on the supply of modernized McDonnell Douglas / Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft were reached in 2016. In November of the same year, the US authorities approved a deal for the supply of 72 aircraft, spare parts and weapons, as well as personnel training. The estimated cost of such an agreement was to exceed $ 21 billion.

The contract for the construction and supply of equipment appeared in June 2017. In accordance with it, in the coming years, the American side was supposed to create and test a special modification of the original F-15, and then establish its production. The document provides for the supply of 36 fighters with a total value of $ 12 billion.

The United States and Qatar have agreed to create a new modification of the fighter called the F-15QA (Qatar Advanced). The basis for this project was the previous modification of the F-15SA for Saudi Arabia. It was proposed to remake it using the latest developments of the Boeing company and taking into account the wishes of the new customer.

During testing


Design work and construction of experimental equipment did not take long. By the beginning of 2020, the first experienced F-15QA was built and launched for testing. The first flight of this machine took place on April 14. To date, the construction of two more fighters has been completed, they are also involved in the tests.

F-15QA. Another representative of the family and a groundwork for the future

Red carpet prototype meeting. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of Qatar

Reportedly, two prototype aircraft are currently being tested at the Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, California. Over the next few weeks, it is planned to carry out a number of different tests that are impossible on other sites. In particular, flight performance at low altitudes is checked, systems for work on ground targets are tested, etc.

During the current tests, the total flight time of the three experienced F-15QA has already exceeded 100 hours. The aircraft have to go through several more stages of verification, after which they will be handed over to the customer. It is expected that the Qatar Air Force will receive this equipment as early as next year. Then a full-scale series will be launched, which will ensure the fulfillment of the existing contract within several years.

Ways of modernization


The F-15QA project envisages updating the design and instrumentation of the basic F-15E / SA, taking into account the wishes of the customer and the latest achievements of science and technology. Such innovations simplify and reduce the cost of assembly and maintenance, as well as increase the flight, combat and operational qualities of the aircraft.

First of all, the airframe production processes have been redesigned. The nose and wing for the F-15QA are made using Boeing's Full-Size Determinant Assembly (FSDA) technology. Within the framework of FSDA, the number of units supplied for final assembly has been reduced, and the process of joining parts is reduced, accelerated and simplified. In addition, some modifications have been made to the design of the units, which increase their resource.


First F-15EX for the US Air Force under construction. Photo by US Air Force

Developing the F-15SA project, the Qatar Air Force fighter receives a similar digital fly-by-wire control system in all channels. It is built on the basis of two computers, each of which has two control loops. Provides a fourfold redundancy of wiring to the actuators. This EDSU architecture provides high flight performance combined with a dramatic increase in reliability.

The F-15QA receives an updated sighting and navigation system based on the Raytheon AN / APG-82 (v) 1 airborne radar with an active phased antenna array. The data processing before being issued to the pilot and navigator-operator is carried out by the ADCP II computer (Advanced Display Core Processor II). The Operational Flight Program operating system is used in the latest “production” version of Suite 8.

The fighter is equipped with a double "glass cockpit". The main means of displaying all the necessary information is a large-format liquid crystal touch screen. On the sides of it are smaller screens. The old windshield indicator has been replaced by a new smaller profile HRCCP (HUD Radio Communications Control Panel) with an integrated radio control panel. Pilots can still use American-made helmet-mounted target designation systems.

Due to the preservation of the main components of the airframe and the power plant, the performance characteristics of the new F-15QA remain at the level of the basic F-15E / SA fighter. The complex of weapons remains the same. Qatar Air Force fighters will be able to use all missiles and bombs compatible with the F-15E.


The design look of the F-15EX. Boeing graphics

Another modification


In the recent past, the F-15QA fighter was called the latest and most advanced version of the F-15E. Now this honorary title has passed to the next development. A new aircraft for the US Air Force is being created on the basis of the Qatari fighter. Previously, the F-15X single-seat aircraft project was proposed, but the customer chose the F-15EX two-seat modification, more similar to the F-15QA.

In terms of airframe design and general equipment features, the F-15EX is minimally different from the F-15QA. At the same time, the computing complex will receive the software of the next version of OFP Suite 9, and the survivability will be increased due to the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS). The ammunition is planned to introduce promising hypersonic air-to-ground missiles and other weapon new types.

On July 13, 2020, the Pentagon officially ordered the first batch of eight F-15EX fighters, costing approx. $ 1,9 billion. By that time, the first aircraft was already being assembled at the Boeing plant in St. Louis. Q2021 FY2023 the first two aircraft must be handed over to the Air Force for testing. The remaining fighters will be handed over only in XNUMX.

In total, the US Air Force wants to buy 144 F-15EX aircraft by 2030. Approx. 22,9 billion dollars. Annually they will order and pay for the construction of 12 vehicles.


Externally, the F-15EX and F-15QA differ only slightly. Boeing graphics

The appearance of an order for the F-15EX is directly related to the state of the air fleet of the Air Force and the National Guard, as well as to the characteristic problems of recent times. Cash F-15C / D are running out of resources and need to be replaced. The number of modern F-22s, initially considered as replacements for the F-15, turned out to be insufficient, and the production of new F-35s does not cover all the needs of the Pentagon. In this regard, a "temporary measure" was adopted in the form of another project for the modernization of the F-15E - with the production of completely new vehicles.

Family perspectives


The development of the F-15 family of fighters continues and produces interesting new results. On the basis of a very successful platform, new modifications are being developed with increased combat and operational characteristics. At the same time, the next versions of the fighter are created not only for the main customer, the US Air Force, but also for friendly foreign countries.

Several factors underlie the F-15's success. First of all, it is necessary to note the high potential of the F-15E aircraft as a platform for further renewal and improvement. Initially, it had good characteristics, and the replacement of certain components ensures further development with obtaining high results. In addition, the problems of newer projects in the form of rising costs and declining production rates became an important factor.

The Saudi, Qatar and US Air Forces have already ordered more than 230 F-15SA / QA / EX fighters. In the foreseeable future, full-scale production will begin, and by the end of the decade, all this equipment will be delivered to parts. Thus, the claimed technical perfection of the new aircraft is gradually turning into commercial success. However, it is too early to talk about the achievement of all the set goals.
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  1. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 2 December 2020 18: 13
    +25
    Despite the presence of the F-35 in the series, they are not going to curtail production of the F-15. Indeed, a good plane
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 18: 18
      +16
      Quote: Smirnoff
      Despite the presence of the F-35 in the series, they are not going to curtail production of the F-15.

      Completely different aircraft for different missions. They complement each other, not replace.
      1. Smirnoff
        Smirnoff 2 December 2020 18: 20
        +21
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        They complement each other, not replace.

        Nobody argues. I remembered the statements that "old stuff" is not worth producing - "the last century"
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 18: 24
          +4
          Quote: Smirnoff
          old "not worth producing -" last century "

          F15, Su-30/34/35 will be relevant for another 20 years minimum. With modernizations, changes in tasks, but a huge backlog.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 48
        0
        No, you wait, wait, have you announced to the whole world that the F-35 will become the only type in production, which means that it can and should solve all the proposed tasks.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 3 December 2020 09: 33
          +1
          No.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_program

          This is the F-35 Lightning II, which will replace various tactical aircraft, including the US F-16, A-10, F / A-18A-D, AV-8B and British Harrier GR7, GR9s, and Tornado GR4.

          This is the F-35 Lightning II, which will replace a variety of tactical aircraft, including the American F-16, A-10, F / A-18A-D, AV-8B and the British Harrier GR7, GR9s and Tornado GR4.



          https://www.gao.gov/assets/600/591608.pdf

          Page 3
          The conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant will be an air-to-ground replacement for the Air Force's F-16 Falcon and the A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft, and will complement the F-22A Raptor. The STOVL variant will be a multi-role strike fighter to replace the Marine Corps' F / A-18C / D Hornet and AV-8B Harrier aircraft. The carrier-suitable variant (CV) will provide the Navy a multi-role, stealthy strike aircraft to complement the F / A-18 E / F Super Hornet.

          Conventional Take-off and Landing (CTOL) will replace the US Air Force F-16 Falcon and the A-10 Thunderbolt II air-to-ground aircraft and complement the F-22A Raptor. The STOVL variant will be a multi-role strike fighter that will replace the F / A-18C / D Hornet and AV-8B Harrier Marine aircraft. The Carrier Option (CV) will provide the Navy with a multi-role, stealthy strike aircraft in addition to the F / A-18 E / F Super Hornet.
        2. Outsider
          Outsider 28 February 2021 17: 31
          0
          - The F-35 is capable of solving all these problems, but against the Papuans, solving these problems on 4th generation aircraft is three times cheaper. "Hammering nails with a microscope" is an expensive pleasure ...
      3. Sckepsis
        Sckepsis 3 December 2020 22: 20
        +1
        Yeah, but only the penguin was conceived as a replacement, including the F-15, so ...
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 3 December 2020 22: 21
          -3
          You're lying, balabol. Give proof. Mine are higher.
    2. lucul
      lucul 2 December 2020 18: 28
      -7
      they are not going to wind down production of the F-15.

      With each upgrade, it looks more and more like the Su-35.
      It is not surprising - by inventing various bicycles in different countries, it still turns out to be a typical bicycle)))
      1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
        Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 3 December 2020 05: 08
        -4
        more and more on the Su-35

        and here are the creatures moving into the past
  2. DLord
    DLord 2 December 2020 18: 24
    +9
    Great plane
  3. Cowbra
    Cowbra 2 December 2020 18: 37
    -12%
    One of the unexpected conclusions - if they buy OLD, albeit modernized fighters at 300 million green apiece, 70 million for the F-35 - either a wild lie, or the F-35 is even more junk than they say about it
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 18: 45
      +6
      Of course it's a lie. Below are the actual prices for the F35. In the contracts, the price for the aircraft itself is 40-60% of the total. The F-15EX costs about $ 130-160 million.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 2 December 2020 19: 12
        -11%
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Of course it's a lie. Below are the actual prices for the F35.

        But the F-35A that crashed in the US in the spring was estimated at 270 million by the Pentagon. So the "relevance" of these prices is like fair elections in the United States. There, at one site in Michigan, the turnout was under 800%. Here are the prices from there. They have already described how they are formed - a primary contract is concluded, for 70 lam per unit, then a couple of dozen additional ones, and instead of 70, 270 comes out even on the domestic market, why for the USA they buy F-15 for 150 million / unit - this is the internal price
        1. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 2 December 2020 19: 42
          +3
          Here I took the F-35B. $ 101 million.
          Its weight is 13 tons.
          Let's count in silver.
          That's 417960 ounces at $ 24 an ounce.
          Total: $ 10.
          Some kind of madness.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 2 December 2020 20: 12
            -10%
            It is calculated for the sectarians. Note that all these supporters of the F-35 - they have not a single argument, except for the sectarian - I believe, because it is absurd
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 3 December 2020 02: 42
              -2
              Quote: Cowbra
              Note that all these supporters of the F-35 - they have not a single argument, except for the sectarian - I believe, because it is absurd

              But the Persians in Syria regularly arrive, and their non-analogous air defense does not react. They don't see the F-35I, but it is.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 3 December 2020 03: 16
                +3
                Yawning. Only arrives from the territory of a neutral state, which does not want to attack Syria. But over Syria or near Turkey, the F-35 ended abruptly. That inspires confidence that the air defense is exactly unparalleled. But the "invisibility" of the F-35 - Hollywood tales. Especially considering that they still have not been able to pass the state acceptance procedure - and this is a reinforced concrete FACT
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 3 December 2020 03: 26
                  -3
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Yawning.

                  Oh yes, you have it there either late night, or early morning. Can't sleep? And we have evening.
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Only arrives from the territory of a neutral state, which does not want to attack Syria.
                  Is this Lebanon or what? So he, too, has been at war with Israel since 1948. There was a case, the Lebanese president signed a peace treaty with Israel, but his own Arabs and soaked it, along with the treaty. And in order to cover targets on the border of Syria with Iraq, the Jews had to fly over almost all of Syria, which they did. Nobody noticed anything, and the targets were hit.
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Especially considering that they still have not been able to pass the state acceptance procedure - and this is a reinforced concrete FACT
                  Introduced into service in the United States since 2015 (Marines), 2016 (Air Force), 2019 (Navy).
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
                  In Israel since 2017.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement
                  1. Cowbra
                    Cowbra 3 December 2020 04: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: Nagan
                    Introduced into service in the United States since 2015 (Marines), 2016 (Air Force), 2019 (Navy).

                    Nonsense. Where and when did the F-35 go ​​through state acceptance? The latter lasted from December 2018 to October 2019, the result - on average, 11% of cars were bogotous, mattresses, British, Dutch took part. As a result, the state acceptance failed. as a result, instead of batch orders (FR1-1 ... 1-4), "pre-batch production" LRIP12..14 continues. )
                    wassat 400 with hook models of fighter in pre-production production. Someone robustly warmed his paws ...
                    The results of the state acceptance at Edwards airbase:

                    according to reports from the testers of the Joint Office, the average level of full combat readiness of fighters participating in official tests is 11%, and in June - only 8,7% (in the graphs in green). In total, 23 F-35 fighters participate in the acceptance test program at Edwards airbase (the test conditions have already been violated there - some of the aircraft did not correspond to the latest version with updated software). Among the reasons for the low combat readiness is the lack of spare parts and malfunctions of the "distributed" search system - often the radar and electronic warfare systems fail (they catch glitches in the form of false missile launches), the helmet (400 thousand evergreens) give the pilot a picture with interference ... According to the plan proposed by DOT & E of the Pentagon , the level of combat readiness of the fighters participating in the tests should not be lower than 80% (this level of combat readiness Mattis demanded by September for all air forces). It's funny that the level of combat readiness of conventional combatant F-35 is still higher - as much as 23%.
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 28 February 2021 01: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Cowbra
                      Where and when did the F-35 undergo state acceptance?


                      There is no state acceptance in the USA.
        2. Avior
          Avior 2 December 2020 20: 18
          +4
          Can you give a link about an estimate of 270 million?
          Is this one of the first F-35s?
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 2 December 2020 20: 45
            -8
            Search by hints:
            https://afirsov.livejournal.com/589580.html
            https://afirsov.livejournal.com/583777.html
            The sources are named, and this is one of the editors of Aviation and Cosmonautics from Technique and Armament.
            Pisi: it turned out 170 kopecks. But everything is one - NOT 70 at all. And this is from the Pentagon, which lowers the price.
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 December 2020 21: 26
              +9
              The source of the figure I found is the official report.
              There is no decryption of what is included in the price, only a number.
              The plane was initially expensive, everyone knows that, the price dropped with the release. So when it can and was worth it.
              He underwent modernization, maintenance, it is quite possible that this was included here.
              But this happens with all aircraft.
              This has nothing to do with the selling price.
              About the understated price - no decoding of what is included, and the devil is in the details.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 2 December 2020 22: 18
                -11%
                170 instead of 70 is a 2,5 times lower price, not parts. And there is also an interesting schedule from the Americans - the announced and real price for the F-35, and this is already a criminal article of fraud. not details
                1. Avior
                  Avior 3 December 2020 05: 39
                  +6
                  The schedule is empty there. It is unknown who compiled and what includes
                  From your link --- this. Just the tabloid press with banged statements.
                  I found the original report with a figure, there is also no transcript, as it was believed.
                  The first f-35s in production cost more than 200 million, no one hides this, it is emphasized everywhere that as the production progresses, the price decreases.
                  And you are trying to compare the aircraft of the old issue with the aircraft of the latest batches. Of course, it used to be more expensive, it is getting cheaper with each batch, there someone brought a plate above.
                  As for the "real" price, you need to justify where the numbers are from and what is included, not empty pictures.
                  The contract price can exceed the price of the aircraft several times, this is the most common practice for aviation, and without decoding these numbers, data on the "cost" is an empty phrase.
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 53
                    -3
                    If you bought an aircraft for 170 million, and now it costs 70 million, does this mean that in case of loss, you will lose 170 million? After all, the full replacement of this loss now costs only 70.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 3 December 2020 11: 18
                      +3
                      We don't know what the 175 million figure includes.
                      The report contains not the slightest decoding, just a figure in the preface in one short sentence.
                      ... The MA, valued at $ 175,983,949, rolled, caught fire, and was completely destroyed.

                      Here is a link on how to download the report in PDF.
                      https://www.defenseworld.net/news/28021/USAF_F_35A_Jet_May_Crash_Caused_By_Technical_Glitch#.X8idMKhwk0M
                      Therefore, we cannot say what it means.
                      Maybe this is a figure of how much was spent on this particular board during the operation. Or maybe the cost of a particular board at the time of its purchase.
                      Early series aircraft were much more expensive, so this cannot be ruled out.
                      Nothing can be said for sure.
                      If someone finds how the figure was taken, it will be interesting to read.
                      1. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 3 December 2020 13: 51
                        +1
                        The word "damage" means lost. Fuel costs are not damage, these words are spelled "OPERATING EXPENSES". And do not include the stupid one, as it was said in the movie "Zhmurki". Otherwise, it is possible even to fairy tales that 176 million is including R&D
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 3 December 2020 15: 17
                        -1
                        Nobody knows what this means in a particular case. And guesses are guesses, some are worth the other.
                        And the plane of old issues could well cost much more expensive than modern ones.
                        So you don't need to include what you wrote.
                      3. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 3 December 2020 15: 37
                        -1
                        Yes Yes. And a combat fighter means - skilful hands that did not pass state acceptance. Nobody knows this either? And stealth means - the newspaper printed that he is invisible, I swear by my mother, they say ...
  • DAQ
    DAQ 3 December 2020 02: 17
    0
    One of the unexpected conclusions - if they buy OLD, albeit modernized fighters at 300 million green apiece, 70 million for the F-35 - either a wild lie, or the F-35 is even more junk than they say about it

    Firstly, the f-35 will not be sold to just anyone.
    Secondly, do not confuse export prices with producer prices.
    Plus, you take into account ammunition, spare parts and accessories, training of pilots and those personnel (and possibly maintenance of American technicians), possibly simulators, infrastructure goodies and other related equipment.
    Foreign military sales program, the Pentagon buys from the manufacturer and resells to others at 1.5-2 times more expensive.
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 2 December 2020 18: 41
    +1
    Arabs love "maximum configurations".
  • Avior
    Avior 2 December 2020 18: 45
    +8
    Great plane
    The F-35 is not a replacement for the F-15, it is a replacement for the F-16.
    The Americans did not rush to full-scale production of the f-22 to replace the f-15.
    We made a small batch, since at that time the enemy for the f-22 was not even outlined, and now, thanks to the high modernization potential, the f-15 will stretch until a new aircraft appears, which is now being developed, which will replace the f-15 and f-22 as release.
    The super Hornet remains unnoticed for now, let's see what will be replaced, perhaps the same new aircraft.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 18: 51
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      The super Hornet remains unnoticed for now, let's see what will be replaced, perhaps the same new aircraft.

      We launched the F / A-XX program to replace the F / A-18E / F. Ready for the 30th year. Takeoff weight 40 tons, two XA100 / 101 engines if not ready then F135, avionics partially from F35, initially unmanned and manned.
      1. Avior
        Avior 2 December 2020 20: 15
        0
        Let's see what will result
        40 tons is also suitable for replacing the F-15 and F-22.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 20: 20
          +2
          Yeah. I think they will make close cars. Like F35A / C
          1. Avior
            Avior 2 December 2020 22: 03
            0
            Tom Cat was 34 thousand maximum, superhornet - 30 tons
            But if the catapults close, and the engines help, there may be more deck
            Actually, a complete analogy with land
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 2 December 2020 23: 03
              0
              A new electromagnetic catapult is being created. It can be used to launch aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight of 45 tons.
              1. Avior
                Avior 3 December 2020 05: 42
                0
                Especially. The deck, I think, will survive.
                But the hangar, lifts, the finish line - on new aircraft carriers should be provided.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 53
      0
      F-35 - this is the "superhornet" in all flight characteristics.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 December 2020 10: 59
        +2
        F-35 is replacing Hornet. The Superhornet will remain in service until a new aircraft appears.
  • Operator
    Operator 2 December 2020 19: 30
    -24%
    Due to the presence of the Su-35, the F-15 has no prospects from the word at all.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 2 December 2020 20: 11
    +7
    Quote: Operator
    Due to the presence of the Su-35, the F-15 has no prospects from the word at all.

    Prospects are WHERE? Export to other countries, and production for themselves, hundreds of machines have been ordered. The plane has been mastered in production and by the military and will fly for another 30 years. And they will rivet THOUSANDS.
    How many Su-35s? request hi
    1. Dmitry Makarov
      Dmitry Makarov 2 December 2020 21: 25
      -7
      The United States wants to))) purchase 144 units of F-15 until 2030 !!!
      Russia already has more than a hundred Su-35s, I think they will still be riveted by 2030.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 December 2020 22: 19
        0
        Well, the United States is at the conclusion of F15 and it is necessary to replace them with something. F35 is already more than 100. And 200 F22. And simple ones with modernization by the F15 and F15E shaft. I am silent about F16.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 3 December 2020 09: 00
          0
          F-22s produced fewer than 200. Since then they have fought.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 December 2020 09: 06
        0
        The last 3 Su-35s of the second contract have just handed over, a total of 98 production vehicles, one seems to have been rigidly planted, since it was handed over as a full-scale stand, plus 3 flight prototypes, one of which immediately became non-flying due to a breakdown of 100 % cars. The remaining 2 sides, 901 and 902, have not glowed for a long time, 902 was last lit when the aiming container was tested on it, but, in general, they should already be badly worn out.

        The third contract, apparently, 3 aircraft until 30, and then, it seems, the release of capacity for the Su-2024.
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 December 2020 15: 20
          0
          So, after 2024, the production of the Su-35 will not be possible, is it?
          ... The third contract, apparently, 3 aircraft until 30, and then, it seems, the release of capacity for the Su-2024.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 3 December 2020 08: 59
      -2
      About the same. What the hell, thousands, if the contract for the F-15EX includes 144 vehicles until 2030. Even if the production of the Su-35 is limited to 3 contracts for the Russian Air Force for 48, 50 and 30 aircraft, as well as exports to China (24 units) and Egypt (apparently, 30 units), this gives 182 copies.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 December 2020 09: 47
        +1
        Only, it is desirable that the Su35S has already been upgraded - Radar, Brains, cockpit. In the image and likeness of Su57. And do it in 1 and 2 local versions.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 2 December 2020 20: 29
    -5
    I am delighted with the difference in price. For Qatar: "The document provides for the supply of 36 fighters with a total cost of $ 12 billion."
    For myself: "In total, the US Air Force wants to purchase 144 F-15EX aircraft by 2030. Approximately 22,9 billion dollars are going to be spent on this equipment."
    laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 2 December 2020 21: 45
      +11
      No wonder
      This is not the price of an airplane, but a delivery kit
      Fighters are usually purchased with spare parts, long-term armament, spare engines, training for pilots and personnel, often with prepaid service and much more.
      The contract price can be several times higher than the cost of the aircraft
      It's just that the Americans do not need it, they have it according to other articles.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 December 2020 22: 16
    +1
    So much for a compilation of the Su34,30,35 in the modernized version compared to the Su35. A single strike aircraft and air defense aircraft.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 December 2020 00: 02
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      compilation su34,30,35

      Such a zoo is not a good life. According to the mind, there should be one plane instead of these three. But fighters are badly needed, better than nothing.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 3 December 2020 05: 49
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      compilation su34,30,35

      So it seems that information has already passed that the SU-30 has begun to be equipped with the SU-35. Modernization with unification ,.
      It is surprising that they only now guessed. Maybe, of course, the electronics manufacturer could not master the quantity.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 December 2020 07: 25
        +1
        But there is no information about the replacement of Su34
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 3 December 2020 07: 42
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          there is no information about the replacement of Su34

          There is information about its modernization. Which is already good. True, the modernization is flawed and does not reach the possibilities that already exist, but at least so, than not at all.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 3 December 2020 09: 09
        +1
        Do you even know what the Su-30SM is? Apparently not, since something surprises you. And it is like a quick adaptation of the Su-30MKI with the preservation of some of the imported equipment, which made it possible to minimize the test time and put it into production in less than 2 years after the first flight. Work on its unification with the Su-1SM began at the same time, in aviation everything is strict, any replacement must be tested.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 3 December 2020 09: 42
          +1
          Ideally, the newest glider, avionics, radar and turbojet engines of all T-10s are from the Su35. And, theoretically, it needs a two-local version. Su30 is the previous generation, and Su34 is the one before last and specialized.
          1. Object.F7
            Object.F7 7 December 2020 15: 32
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            The Su-34 is a bomber where fighter functions are a bonus. It was created to replace the Su-24 bomber, how did you drag the Su-35 here, the big question. And why spend money and resources on the development of a two-seater 35th, which "you urgently need", when the modernized two-seater 30th will receive the same engines and part of the Brao 35? Everything in this line is logical and correct. With all the desire and imagination, the F-15 will not be able to become a better bomber than the Su-34, because there is no armored cockpit and the pilots do not sit shoulder to shoulder, as bomber pilots have been positioned since the days of the B-17
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 7 December 2020 21: 11
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              I will tell you a secret that all over the world, aircraft of the F15EX type completely replace the Su34 ........ and the F16 variations on the same theme are replaced in light weight
              1. Object.F7
                Object.F7 10 December 2020 13: 32
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                Yeah, in July the US government ordered only 8 F-15ex, the first pair of which will not be ready until 2021. And you have them ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL REPLACE the Su-34 ... In my opinion, you need to share your secrets in one of the clinics
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 10 December 2020 14: 55
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                  Before that there was an F15E which was not a full-fledged fighter
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 December 2020 09: 44
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        They wrote that this is thanks to the Hindus and the "Super-Dry" theme. Why not make a 2-seater Su35 right away? It would be more progressive than the old Su30SM glider
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 3 December 2020 06: 03
    -1
    Here are good fellows Boeing, they are already taking envy. Once every five years, a new modification, everything new has appeared, immediately into action.
    And here - the SU-35 has been flying for 15 years and no upgrades are expected.
    The SU-30 is generally an old man, they guessed to update the current-current at least to the level of the SU-35, well, at least there will be unification at the same time.
    You can nod at the SU-57, they say, here it is, progress. Well, its final version did not appear yesterday either.
    We brake. : (((
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 3 December 2020 09: 11
      -1
      How can a Su-35 fly for 15 years when it first flew in 2008? You teach the materiel or something, otherwise you will blow bubbles into a puddle.
    2. Object.F7
      Object.F7 7 December 2020 15: 52
      0
      I'll tell you a big secret, just don't tell anyone, but the Su-30, according to the same principle, may differ in versions for each specific customer. And Migi, too, Algeria was put in the maximum upgrade. This is a completely unique logic, where the Su-30 from the nineties is an old man, and the F-15 is the newest aircraft (in service since 1976)
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 4 December 2020 16: 54
    +1
    Thank you for the article!
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 4 December 2020 17: 44
    -1
    Prevoskhodnaya mashina pok. 4 ++. Odnoznachno rang no.1 v mire.
    Ne o pok. five.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 8 January 2021 15: 46
    0
    It is interesting that, in fact, two classmates, the F-15 and the Su-27, are developing almost identically! Both initially had a huge potential for modernization and both do not give up their positions, even despite the appearance of a replacement for the next generation.
    Aircraft engineers were strong then !!!
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 14 January 2021 10: 34
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      Can you imagine the design of the Su-27? This is a suitcase, which is very convenient to put everything in Change the content, fill with new systems as much as you want ... And from the point of view of aerodynamics, it is already difficult to come up with something new ...