The first batch of BMPT "Terminator" entered the troops for trial operation

First batch of support vehicles tanks (BMPT) "Terminator" entered the tank division of the Central Military District. This was reported by the press service of the Central Military District.

According to the report, eight BMPTs entered the 90th Panzer Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region, for trial operation. Currently, the formed crews are undergoing retraining to work on new equipment, they are assisted by representatives of UVZ.

It is noted that this is the first delivery of BMPTs under the state defense order.

Tank support combat vehicles produced by Uralvagonzavod entered the 90th Guards Tank Vitebsk-Novgorod twice Red Banner Division of the Central Military District. This is the first delivery of BMPTs to the Russian Armed Forces as part of the execution of the state defense order. In terms of its combat effectiveness, one BMPT will replace 2 BMPs and a motorized rifle platoon

- reported in the press service of Uralvagonzavod.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that the decision on the place of the BMPT in the Ground Forces would be made following the results of the Kavkaz-2020 strategic command and staff exercises.

BMPT "Terminator" is made on the chassis of the T-72. The vehicle is armed with two 30mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for the 9M120 guided missiles (Attack complex).

Comments

[Max Lebedev]

Today the topic of projectiles with controlled blasting on the trajectory was just raised. For BMPT just right.

[Lord of the Sith]

Run-in of the BMPT "Terminator", entered for trial operation in the Guards Tank Division of the Central Military District

[loki565]

The firepower is good, but as for me, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle would be better, a wider range of tasks and versatility.

[Old tanker]

The range of fire missions that a heavy infantry fighting vehicle can solve is less than that of an infantry fighting vehicle. the only thing that BMPT cannot - transport an infantry squad.

[loki565]

the only thing that BMPT cannot - transport an infantry squad.

So this is the main trick, well, tanks with BMPTs will come into the city, well, they will shoot at the buildings and that's it, clean it up, take it, they can't. Bringing up infantry on light infantry fighting vehicles is no longer an option, any RPG will burn it. The sniper infantry will be shot on foot. But the heavy infantry fighting vehicle will give the infantry a lift and cover the tanks.

[Incvizitor]

But the heavy infantry fighting vehicle will give the infantry a lift and cover the tanks.

[Escobar]

Is their serial production started;)?

[Per se.]

Quote: loki565

But the heavy infantry fighting vehicle will give the infantry a lift and cover the tanks.

Heavy infantry fighting vehicles are weaker than BMPTs in terms of armament, and heavy armored personnel carriers will be inferior in terms of transport function. In short, you cannot add anything without subtracting anything, without prejudice to one another.

In our case, it would be better to "tandem" - for specialized fire support BMPT, and for the protected transport of infantry heavy armored personnel carriers. This will be the "tandem" heavy infantry fighting vehicle.
Otherwise, the whole point of the BMP is in its versatility (BMP-3), which the "heavy BMP" initially does not have.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Per se.

Heavy infantry fighting vehicles are weaker than BMPTs in terms of armament, and heavy armored personnel carriers will be inferior in terms of transport function. In short, you cannot add anything without subtracting anything, without prejudice to one another.

Truly. And the option with BMPT is nevertheless closer to the optimum, namely: the minimum participation of manpower (as a result, the minimum of human losses) with the maximum participation of military equipment.
After all, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers (even heavy ones) are unlikely to operate in the first line along with tanks and the same BMPT. According to long-standing tendencies, the (moto) infantry will perform the functions of clearing the enemy's defensive lines, which are previously subjected to careful and thoughtful processing by front-line aviation, artillery and BTT. Now no one will throw "naked" battalions or mechanized columns of the BTG head-on at fortified enemy positions. In other words, the infantry will be brought up, but a little later and with the maximum guarantee of safe delivery to the place of the mission. But the need to support the attacking orders of tank units on the battlefield has not disappeared over time, but, on the contrary, has increased many times over. And here BMPT will be very useful. It is unlikely that the manufacturer removed this ratio from the ceiling:

In terms of its combat effectiveness, one BMPT will replace 2 BMPs and a motorized rifle platoon

Sometimes it is funny to read the comments of local "alternatively informed" tovarischi, mercilessly defaming the very concept of BMPT and anathematizing "this murky device". And it's even funnier when the same people in the neighboring branches begin to chant the funeral from the series: "Oh, we have nothing to cover with the enemy's power in the battlefield! Oh, we will again put the children in the cheese in thousands of small pieces of land ...", and something about "women who are still giving birth." In short, infantius vulgaris: maximum emotion and minimum logic.
Well, since the BMPTs have already gone to the troops, then, therefore, their role on the battlefield has also been determined - it is not for nothing that they were involved in most of the past exercises. Yes, they looked for a long time, also took a long time to make a decision, but in the end everything came to a logical conclusion, and a new type of BTT will take its place in the ranks of its "colleagues-colleagues".

[Old tanker]

Tanks without DISCHARGED infantry do not enter the coat. Moreover, in the city, assault groups are advancing in front of armored vehicles. Tanks in the city are just moving firing points, which, due to the range of their guns, hit the resistance nodes taken out by the infantry and provide them with support. BMP and BMPT also follow the infantry. So it doesn't matter what the infantry will use to get to the city to dismount in it. In a heavy infantry fighting vehicle or even on an armored car. BMPT has 4 (!) Target channels capable of operating simultaneously cannon / rocket / machine gun (gunner works), two automatic grenade launchers (two gunners of the AG work independently of each other) and an additional commander works, which is not desirable, but acceptable), either a rocket or cannon / machine gun, depending on what the gunner is using. And so in the BMPT 4 weapons can work at the same time, and in the BMP only one (!), Either a cannon, or a coaxial machine gun, or an ATGM with which the gunner works. The commander on the BMP only has duplication, not autonomous control. And when fighting on foot (and in the city only such), the BMP commander will be out of the vehicle in the combat formation of his squad, since he is his commander.
Now think about what is more effective in the city of an BMPT with its 4 simultaneously working weapons of destruction or a heavy BMP from just 1 ?!

[Dzungar]

Tanks in the city are just moving firing points, which due to the range of the guns

WHY IS RANGE IN THE CITY ..? Probably the advantage of the tank and BMPT in the city is all the same armor protection and firepower.

or a heavy infantry fighting vehicle from just 1?

The heavy infantry fighting vehicle has two (2) guidance channels ... Commander and gunner. If not, then the BMPT has three, (3) guidance channels

[Old tanker]

The range allows you to hit the upper floors of buildings and not come within the range of a shot from RPGs and some light ATGMs.

[Dzungar]

To hit the upper floors of buildings in the city at a maximum distance of 500 meters DOES NOT REQUIRE RANGE. Requires high elevation angles of the barrels of guns, which tanks do not have ... Oh, you sofa iksperdy ...

[Old tanker]

You should have told us this in Grozny in August 96.

[Dzungar]

I can tell you. I myself was there in August 96. Old trades, Leninsky district .... And now tell me WHY DOES THE TANK IN THE CITY RANGE ..? SHAMING ON THE TOP FLOORS OF BUILDINGS ..? Here is a tank standing by a building and it needs to shoot at the upper floors ... HERE NEEDS RANGE ... ????

[Old tanker]

8 ot 166 guards Omsb brigade in August 96 did not lose a single tank. Since the tanks operated from cover. They jumped out and beat at the indicated targets. Due to the range, all floors of buildings are accessible. Having worked out, they went into cover.

[Dzungar]

When a battalion of the 205th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade with a company of tanks entered the center early in the morning of August 10th from control 22 and they began to hammer on Prospect Mira from all sides - WHERE THERE WAS THE TANK NEEDED RANGE ... ??? And when on August 9 he walked from Khankala to 22nd control and they were beaten at from 500, maximum from 1000 m - WHERE THERE WAS THE TANK NEEDED RANGE ...?

[Old tanker]

Because they stupidly drove the tanks into the city. 8 ot 166 guards Omsb brigade in August 96 did not lose a single tank. The tactics are simple. In front was the infantry, behind them, at a distance of 200-300 meters, BMPs covering them. And the tanks operated from cover. They jumped out and beat at the indicated targets. Due to the range, all floors of buildings are accessible. Having worked out, they went into cover.

[Old tanker]

500 meters is already above the effective range of small arms fire. This means that you need a more long-range weapon for cover - a large-caliber machine gun / BMP cannon / tank gun. To suppress or destroy enemy firing points. Well, for 1000 meters, all floors in the area are accessible from the tank. So the tanks from Khankala did not have to protrude at all. So far, with their fire support from a considerable distance, the infantry has not cleared the street. Well, continue to move along the same tactics. Now it is clear why a tank has a range in the city?

[Dzungar]

NIKHRENA IS NOT UNDERSTANDING ..! This is TANK,.! 500 m and even 1000 meters for a tank is NOT a range. What is the general term - the range of a tank gun .. ??? You can shmalnit from it at 10 thousand meters, and even at 15 thousand meters, this is the range. Only at whom and where are you going to shoot .. ???

So the tanks from Khankala did not have to protrude at all.

And where would they fire from Khankala ... ??? Have you been to Khankala ..? Where would you shoot from tanks from there ... ??? To the nearest houses .....? They could no longer shoot from there for a minute, let alone in the center of Grozny ...

[Old tanker]

I have long understood your stubborn incompetence.
For reference.
The maximum firing range of the 2A46M / M1 tank gun depends on the type of projectile and is, with the use of the sight:
BPS - 4000m;
BC - 4000m;
OF - 5000m '
Managed 4000m.
OF from a closed position -10000m.
What 15000 are you talking about.?!
But even following your logic, from closed positions you can fire from tanks not only at Minutka, but also at the center of Grozny.
By the range of a tank gun, I meant that according to the school geometry course, the more legs, the longer the hypotenuse. That is, at a given angle of elevation of the tool, the further you are, the greater the height you will shmallow. And again, the firing range of a tank gun is superior to that of small arms, RPGs, and infantry fighting vehicles. So a smart kosandir uses the weapons entrusted to him based on his capabilities, and the dumb one blames that the weapon is worthless.
On this I bow.
PS I have been to Khankala more than once. What does it have to do with both wars.

[Dzungar]

the tanks from Khankala did not have to protrude at all.

So you need to know before talking about something ...

from closed positions you can fire from tanks not only at Minutka, but also at the center of Grozny.

At whom were you going to shoot from tanks from closed positions from Khankala in the center of Grozny ...? For someone a concreino or just to destroy the city center ...? Whose side did you fight on, I don't fucking understand ..?

That is, at a given angle of elevation of the tool, the further you are, the greater the height you will shmallow.

I am asking you for the hundredth time - you are going to shoot at what buildings from 2000 meters ...? If closer to this there will certainly be a few more of those that will obscure the one at which you were going to shoot .......

[Dzungar]

RPG firing range 400 meters. What light ATGM are you talking about ..? Metis ..? Firstly, his caliber is no more than RPGeshny, and secondly, I have never heard of him from spirits. For a tank to be inaccessible for an RPG, 500 m is enough. So this is a city, there is usually such a building that the tank needs to shoot at 100-200 meters. WHY DOES HIM THERE RANGE ...?

[Old tanker]

What kind of stupid person said that you need to shoot from such at 100-200m? The facades of the buildings on the opposite side of the street are accessible to the tank from just a much greater distance. It is suicide for tanks to urge them on during the assault on the city at such a distance from the enemy. The same mistake was made by the 205th brigade and the 276th regiment in August of the 96th. But our 166th brigade and 506th regiment did not engage in such nonsense. Therefore, our losses in tanks did not occur, and in the 506th they were minimal, mainly on land mines.
Well, on the upper floors of the building of the Council of Ministers, they generally smacked on a "carousel" from 2 km on target designation of the infantry.

[Dzungar]

Well, on the upper floors of the building of the Council of Ministers, they generally smacked on a "carousel" from 2 km on target designation of the infantry.

on which Council of Ministers did you shoot in August 96th ... ??? It was occupied by a company of the Airborne Forces, and next to the buildings of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Chechnya, and in general it was a government quarter occupied by federal forces ... Who were you fighting for ...?

[Old tanker]

That's just the KC, and the republican FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs spirits on the first day tightly and overlaid. When the KTs were unblocked, they thrashed where the infantry was leading and our "mad" reconnaissance company. She took the journalists, wounded and women out of the CC.

[Dzungar]

our "mad" reconnaissance company.

mad is spelled with E

KC, and the republican FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs spirits on the first day tightly and overlaid. When unblocking, the KC and thrashed where the infantry was pointing

So our FSB officers and employees of the Chechen Interior Ministry and the Russian Interior Ministry were there. and they never gave these buildings away. You fucking thrashed that one ... ???

[Old tanker]

At the same time, the commander and gunner cannot fire from modern infantry fighting vehicles. This means one target channel. Two will appear in the perspective. One will fire from a cannon and a coaxial machine gun, and the other with a rocket. But that's before you hurry. And BMPT has 4 target channels.

[Dzungar]

At the same time, the commander and gunner cannot fire from modern infantry fighting vehicles.

Where did you read this garbage .. ??? What is the general term - target channel ..? There is no need to invent your own terms, use the existing ones. And don't show off your meager knowledge of modern technology

[antivirus]

Will that wheel reach Kazan?
-And these to Kiev and Berlin?

[Paul Siebert]

Don't worry, buddy Antivirus!
These minusists did not read Gogol at school.
In general, except for a smartphone, they did not read anything ... Echo of the exam ...

[antivirus]

Gogol is a cohol, which means an enemy. politically savvy miners. without knowledge of the classics (almost Soviet-is also harmful now)
and the resource "wheel" to Berlin is definitely enough? can defend the honor of tank builders?

but it is always difficult for serious people to have fun.
in PM on "aircraft carriers"

[Victor_B]

I'm wondering where they were stuck in the org-nominally?
Separate BMPTs - battalions / companies / platoons formed?
Or did the tank platoon become 2 tanks + 1 BMPT or 3 tanks + 1 BMPT?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Victor_B

I'm wondering where they were stuck in the org-nominally?

Or were they given to the motorized riflemen?
Again, where did the organizational staff stick?
Motorized rifle platoon nominally 3 BMP. What have BMPT added there?
This is also plus 3 pieces of equipment in the company.
The field kitchen, by the way, is designed for 130 people. To the company. And there are 15 more mouths ...

[Momotomba]

Quote: Victor_B

Or were they given to the motorized riflemen?

If it were BMPBMP, then motorized riflemen. And the BMPT is necessary for tankers, following the logic of the name.
Although ... to mislead a potential enemy, you can use artillery

[Piramidon]

Quote: Momotomba

Although ... to mislead a potential enemy, you can use artillery

Yes, easily. Following the example of "Buratin" and "Solntsepekov", which for some reason were attached to the chemists.

[Interlocutor]

Yes, easily. Following the example of "Buratin" and "Solntsepekov", which for some reason were attached to the chemists.

They invented them

[Momotomba]

Maybe because the dusts hit the enemy, including with fire, i.e. flamethrowers ...

[raw174]

Quote: Victor_B

Or were they given to the motorized riflemen?
Again, where did the organizational staff stick?

As I understood from the article, they were brought to us, near Chelyabinsk, in Chebarkul, there are tankers ... T 72 they have.
PS: V. Kharlamov also started playing professionally in Chebarkul))))

[bayard]

Quote: Victor_B

I'm wondering where they were stuck in the org-nominally?
Separate BMPTs - battalions / companies / platoons formed?
Or did the tank platoon become 2 tanks + 1 BMPT or 3 tanks + 1 BMPT?

Better a BMPT company in a tank battalion.
And to use such tank battalions (with a BMPT company) as part of battalion tactical groups: a tank battalion, a motorized rifle battalion, an artillery battalion, a mortar company.
And use it in assault operations.

[YOUR]

Yes, they did not stick it anywhere. Written for trial use. So they will twist to look as best and where to stick them. Most likely, the battalion will have a couple of BMPT platoons, which will be either individually or as part of platoons attached to companies.

[Old tanker]

It is unlikely that they went to reduce the firepower of a tank platoon by removing one tank from it. For the convenience of conducting combat training exercises and more flexible use, they most likely included one company in a battalion or regiment (or a battalion in a regiment). I personally consider the best company to be the 4th company in the battalion on the BMPT.

[lucul]

The first batch of tank support combat vehicles

Supporting tanks against infantry and, most importantly, against UAVs - that would be better.)))

[_Ugene_]

against the UAV, nothing effective has yet been seen in the troops

[Livonetc]

There is a military contingent in Syria.
UAVs are also working quite successfully.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: _Ugene_

against the UAV, nothing effective has yet been seen in the troops

Why, then, are they in Syria, Libya? In Karabakh? Exclusively because of technical malfunctions?
Or do you mean that our equipment has not yet encountered REAL drones, like Reapers and Predators, and that's why we got it?

[_Ugene_]

in Syria, we are shown mostly shot down do-it-yourself drones, but when the Turks worked on the Syrian troops with their drummers, the losses of the Syrians were at the same level as those of the Armenians in Karabakh, we cannot boast of dozens of shot down drummers, but they destroyed armored vehicles a lot, so I see no reason for optimism in this matter

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The answer to your comment is contained in it.
Probably because the level of training of the Syrian troops is at the level of the Armenian.

[_Ugene_]

they simply do not have the technique for effective confrontation, from a word at all, to the level of preparation it did not reach

[Interlocutor]

Exclusively because of technical malfunctions?

Well, then answer the question. Why does nothing fall from the sky to people in Karabakh today? And do they talk politely to each other?
That is why they are in Syria and Libya, but not in Karabakh.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Interlocutor

Well, then answer the question. Why does nothing fall from the sky to people in Karabakh today? And do they talk politely to each other?

Because in Syria and Libya, Turkish UAVs operated against the Syrians and Libyans, respectively.
And in Karabakh, for today, the Russian army is operating

That is why they roll in Syria and Libya, but not in Karabakh.

"therefore" in this case is written together, and a comma is placed before "a".

[Interlocutor]

"therefore" in this case is written together, and a comma is placed before "a".

Sit down. Six. Diary tomorrow.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Do you think I'm wrong? Or just offended?

[Interlocutor]

Do you think I'm wrong? Or just offended?

I believe that we are talking about one thing, but we understand differently.
Personalization is a sign that you have nothing to say in essence.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Interlocutor

Personalization is a sign that you have nothing to say in essence.

I just corrected a couple of your mistakes. Which, I am sure, you have done in panting. No transition, no personalities. With all due respect.

[Interlocutor]

You committed in a huff.

See the missing "K" - Know. The button is worn out. In couch battles.

[Vadim237]

Tunguska, Shilka, Sosna - against the UAV, the most juice will come soon and Derivation will do.

[_Ugene_]

as the experience of Tunguska and Shilka showed, Pine is meat for attack drones, which is not surprising, these ancient air defenses were not developed at all for this

[hagen]

Quote: lucul

Supporting tanks against infantry and, most importantly, against UAVs - that would be better.)))

BMPT against UAV will not pull. Minimum - Air defense derivation. In general, it is too weak to deal with devices capable of flying and shooting from heights of over 8000 meters.

[YOUR]

There is no universal weapon so that one against all

[Jacket in stock]

Well, yes, instead of one or two "attacks", at least a "needle" and projectiles with a controlled detonation into the ammunition load, plus optics as in "derivation"

[seregin-s1]

You also need an airborne squad with cyborgs, with blasters!)

[sedoj]

Quote: seregin-s1

You also need an airborne squad with cyborgs,

On this issue - to the Ukrainians.

[svoit]

Quote: _Ugene_

there is nothing effective against the UAV yet

Against everything, you will have to put KAZ and DZ on everything

[Guru]

In terms of its combat effectiveness, one BMPT will replace 2 BMPs and motorized rifle platoon

Come on The platoon will replace it. The Syrian experience has shown that 30 mm is not enough for a gun, the presence of only guided missiles is too bold to randomly shoot possible firing points. The effectiveness of the BMPT against the infantry entrenched in the shelter is very doubtful. And for work on UAVs, the BMPT does not have its own radar. Vooopschem - BMPT is a mixture of Bulldog and Rhinoceros.

[bayard]

Supplementing the firepower with small-caliber artillery of tank battalions.
Advance in general order with tanks. Suppression of firing points of grenade launchers, ATGMs, machine-gun nests, support for assault groups in urban areas and on highly rugged terrain.

[Senka naughty]

+ 2 AGS forgotten, but you scribblers are forgiven ..

[Guru]

+ 2 AGS forgotten, but you scribblers are forgiven ..

No, not forgot But the AGS on the Terminator are built into the body, so they are inactive. This means that the crew will have to perform maneuvers and actually spin in place to aim. The power of 30mm grenades is not enough to destroy targets in long-term field fortifications.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Guru

The power of 30mm grenades is not enough to destroy targets in long-term field fortifications.

For this, the very tanks that the BMPT support are used.

[Note]

On these BMPT models, there are no longer two grenade launchers. All weapons are indicated. But in my opinion the layout could be improved. I consider it advisable to install an additional turret on the site next to the main one, a little closer to the place of the mechanical drive, on which to install the AGS 40 and the cord. At the same time, removing the item from the main turret. Change the layout of the main turret by removing one 30 mm. gun replacing it with an automatic cal. 57 mm. Or, as an option, a larger caliber launcher, or an automatic mortar. (In principle, all this can be. Well, of course it would be very cool to install those very needles, but here a complex redevelopment of several systems is already necessary, and the question of efficiency when spraying tasks.

[Note]

A bit wrong. On the BMPT 72 model, there are two AGCs in built-in containers. Here, in fact, they can be replaced with 1 AGS 40 and a cord machine gun in a movable turret.

[Note]

By the way, this will reduce the number of crews by one gunner.

[Castro Ruiz]

Vmeste 2 30 mm 1 57 mm so snariadami s upravlyaemim podrivom + automat. grenade launcher

[evgen1221]

I've been hearing about these terminators for ten years now, and everyone praises them, it's really sweet. And what do we see - 8 cars entered trial operation. Damn, but what were they for at least 5 years? Stalin, we have developed a new tank-Is-1, Ok, comrade Malyshev, there is a war going on, when will the tank be under Maskva? , you know Comrade Stalin, everything is for the front, everything is for victory, we are trying. A rundown in the alligoria.

[seregin-s1]

Terminators are shipped to Kazakhstan, Algeria and Iraq as a minimum. And our Armed Forces signed the first contract.

[evgen1221]

And at the same time, the bosses from the opk declare to us that when we sell one copy, we use this money to make 2 (one for ourselves and one for sale) - Someone is lying and strong.

[seregin-s1]

Algeria has ordered over 300 units. BMPT-72 "Terminator", 10 in Kazakhstan, in Iraq there were only pictures, which means 600 in the Russian army!)

[evgen1221]

Yeah, in theory and according to relations, it should be like this for a long time, in real life we ​​have 10 cars in 8 years and again in an experimental batch and operation.

[Jacket in stock]

And what, now the war and the Germans near Moscow?

[evgen1221]

Yes, war and enemies have occupied the country for a long time.

[Doliva63]

Quote: evgen1221

I've been hearing about these terminators for ten years now, and everyone praises them, it's really sweet. And what do we see - 8 cars entered trial operation. Damn, but what were they for at least 5 years? Stalin, we have developed a new tank-Is-1, Ok, comrade Malyshev, there is a war going on, when will the tank be under Maskva? , you know Comrade Stalin, everything is for the front, everything is for victory, we are trying. A rundown in the alligoria.

It's simple - they are not needed, it's obvious. But UVZ stubbornly pushes them into the army. Maybe they will take it under pressure, but not much. Do not cut the structure of the Ground Forces because of the UVZ.

[evgen1221]

Well, why not need to write in the brigades of high-quality reinforcement of tank and motorized infantry formations and go! The machine is useful, it is clear that this is a microscope for narrow tasks, and it is necessary to use it wisely, foolishly, and you can beat the tanks with parade marches.

[Doliva63]

Quote: evgen1221

Well, why not need to write in the brigades of high-quality reinforcement of tank and motorized infantry formations and go! The machine is useful, it is clear that this is a microscope for narrow tasks, and it is necessary to use it wisely, foolishly, and you can beat the tanks with parade marches.

How is this machine useful? Don't answer, the question is rhetorical. In the early 2000s, I asked the BMPT designer this question, in the end it turned out that they were just looking for something to make money on in difficult years. The army didn't ask for this crap.

[evgen1221]

Well, the army did not ask for PO-2, but it became irreplaceable. Maybe this car will come in handy, because if they take it, then someone needs it. Yes, and armada BMPT is not necessary, here, as with the sun, there is a little, and in some places wildly help out.

[Lord of the Sith]

It's high time, it's a mega car))

[faiver]

and that we have nothing fresher than "Attack"?

[Vadim237]

Why doesn't Attack D suit you?

[Merry_Militarist]

And I am interested in the niche of this BMPT, I don't quite understand its role on the battlefield, especially if there is a bundle of tank + 1-2 BMP and an infantry unit, where should I push it? And why is it better than the same BMP 2M with "Berezhk" in terms of functionality? In addition, there are 5 crew members in the car.
The second is the question of a rather outdated gun - 2A42 (72), its accuracy of combat is not "the same level" to put it mildly, against the background of competitors, and armor-piercing shells, modern versions of BMPs will not do much harm, there is no ammunition with remote detonation, to counter entrenched infantry.
Well, as a matter of reflection, why not install the good old 57 mm autocannon, a la "Derivation", on such a powerful chassis?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Merry_Militarist

And I am interested in the niche of this BMPT, I don't quite understand its role on the battlefield, especially if there is a bundle of tank + 1-2 BMP and an infantry unit, where should I push it?

Instead of an infantry unit.
For the history of BMPTs in their present form stretches from the times when the situation with motorized riflemen was critical: "BMP broke down, in the department - 3-4 people"So the tankers wanted their own replacement for the constantly absent infantry. Therefore, as an alternative path: the resupply of the ISO, ISV and ISR to the state and the organization of statutory interaction - was recognized as unscientific fantasy.

[Merry_Militarist]

The understaffing of the infantry covering armored vehicles, for example, in a battle in an area with dense residential buildings, this BMPT does not compensate in any way, the same "box", because no one except motorized infantry will clean the buildings / structures.
Yes, if a subdivision is understaffed, it is incapable of combat and it is criminal to send it to the front line. I don’t know what a fantasy it is to bring a motorized rifle unit to its full strength ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Merry_Militarist

Yes, if the subdivision is understaffed, it is incapable of combat and it is criminal to let it go to the front line. I don’t know what a fantasy it is to bring a motorized rifle unit to its full strength ..

The usual fantasy, which was a reality for our army right up to 2008. An army numbering more than a million - and active bayonets for two calculated divisions, in the first Chechen, in the second, were collected from all over the country. And still they didn't collect it.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Merry_Militarist

And I am interested in the niche of this BMPT, I don't quite understand its role on the battlefield, especially if there is a bundle of tank + 1-2 BMP and an infantry unit, where should I push it?

Instead of an infantry unit.
For the history of BMPTs in their present form stretches from the times when the situation with motorized riflemen was critical: "BMP broke down, in the department - 3-4 people"So the tankers wanted their own replacement for the constantly absent infantry. Therefore, as an alternative path: the resupply of the ISO, ISV and ISR to the state and the organization of statutory interaction - was recognized as unscientific fantasy.

Minusators have no sense of humor at all Passed, colleague!

[Vadim237]

"And why it is better than the same BMP 2M with" Berezhk "in terms of functionality" - The presence of good armor and doubled firepower.

[Merry_Militarist]

"Good booking" is, of course, a factor, but very relative, depending on what. Of course, BMPT is more tenacious - yes. But what's the point of these two 2A42s? I wrote above that these cannons with huge recoil and disgusting accuracy, the problems with modern shells, even if you add 4 of them, this will not solve the essence of the problem. And the BMP, as a platform for this weapon and as an ATGM carrier, is cheaper and more functional (transports infantry), more convenient when used in urban battles, again.

[Konnick]

UralVagonZavod no longer knows what it is possible to make money on, and therefore puts its sophisticated, very expensive fantasies into the troops. I will tell you about the talent of local designers, I ran into them a couple of times. Almost all of them are from the same place of study, where they are taught very specific knowledge - no one except us, such small-town swagger, special engineering chauvinism, not based on anything. And this is the trouble of the modern defense industry, this happens not only in Nizhny Tagil, but quite often the reason for this is the lack of personnel rotation ...

[iouris]

I understand "military trials", but what is "trial operation"?
Exploitation is use to generate surplus value.

[senima56]

"The vehicle is armed with two 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62-mm PKT machine gun, as well as four launch containers for guided missiles of the 9M120 family (Attack complex)", but have you forgotten about two AGS-17 (30)?

[Incvizitor]

It seems to me that they are very good for the city, instead of MBT and guns, missiles and armor are raised high.

[Hiller]

To understand where they want to stick it regularly? The technique is good - no words. And where, on the basis of what documents, by whose decision? Who will teach, on what directors, according to what standards and what course of shooting?

[Land defence]

Let them work out - it will not be superfluous

[Pavel57]

Quote: Doliva63

Do not cut the structure of the Ground Forces because of UVZ.

They will say that BMPT is artillery, and nothing needs to be cut

[AC130 Gunship]

I read reviews of various experts. Everyone writes that it's a complete bullshit. Large crew and little to do. It's just another format for developing the budget in full. As the recent war in Karabakh has shown, tanks and guns will not fight in the 21st century. At least those who win it

[Konnick]

As I understand it, not 2 30mm cannons, but a paired installation, and this is a completely different matter, i.e. can fire only one target at a time. Is there a stabilization of the gun or aimed shooting only from the spot?

[Escobar]

Maybe for the layman, they look ugly, but why is the combat module covered with cannon-proof armor of the hull, maximum bulletproof protection? If he gets fired upon from an automatic cannon? Even a heavy heavy sniper rifle is dangerous to barely covered missile containers. So on the battlefield, you can remain unarmed. In Soviet times, there was a project for the IT-1 "dragon" missile tank, where 15 missiles were placed in the tower and they were hidden behind anti-cannon armor. There is already an experience with uninhabited towers on the Armata. Why not put the same 30 mm cannon and a retractable launcher with missiles, and more protection and ammunition in a similar turret. Yes, more expensive, but more sense.

[Konnick]

The Armata has a similar design - the outer armored hull has splinterproof armor, if it hits the turret, the devices located under the outer armored hull will be destroyed and the gun will turn into a thick-walled tube.

[Escobar]

If the Armata has splinterproof and not cannon-proof armor, then this is not a tank, but a props, and we are being driven all over the country about its super characteristics. Where did you get this from?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Eskobar

then this is not a tank, but a props, and we are driven all over the country about its super characteristics.

Quite rightly said. Therefore, he is not in the army, there is no video from Syria and there are no orders from abroad.

Weight of Merkava, Abrams, Leopard 70-80 tons, T-90 in the region of 46 tons, Type-99 54 tons. Armata weight 48-55 tons. What is it made of?

[Konnick]

I wrote about the turret, about the external body kit, under which there are aiming and observation devices, the gun itself is protected by some kind of super-duper armor. But the devices can be destroyed by a large-caliber machine gun, against which active protection is powerless. Armata has not been tested by shelling from various types of weapons. Likewise, the Terminator did not pass the shelling test.

[Escobar]

Everything is correct, God forbid it will be revealed that yet another replicated "super-duper" turned out to be a puff - heads will fly "we will not fight tomorrow"

[maxim k.]

"According to the report, eight BMPTs entered the 90th Panzer Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region, for trial operation."
Trial operation, how many years? Ten? Twenty? And then again expensive modernization ???

[Dzungar]

As a veteran of the base, including in the city, I see the BMPT as such - a heavy base by itself. One or two 57 mm cannons with a large UVN. The commander's large-caliber machine-gun mount is similar to those on the T-14 and T-90M. Three ATGMs from each side of the tower in a body protected from bullets and small-caliber artillery shells with the installation of DZ blocks on it. Including to protect the compartment with the breech and the BC 57 mm guns. Two AGS-40s are also on fenders, also with large horizontal and vertical guidance angles ... Nothing radically new and impossible. Only weapons are added (commander's KORD 12,7 mm), changed to more powerful (57 mm and 40 mm AGS) and the number (ATGM) increases. Of course, dynamic protection wherever possible, and of course - KAZ