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Russian space problems

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So the news that Dmitry Rogozin filed lawsuits against several media outlets sounded in a peculiar way. On the protection of honor and dignity. In fact, yes, we need to show these journalists who's boss. And who should think over the words, about the "funeral of cosmonautics", and who should bear the honorary title of "undertaker of the Russian space".



Photo: In Search of the Unknown | Unexplored World, unexploredworld.com

While the court is yes


In the meantime, the court and the case (in the literal sense of the word), Mr. Rogozin composes songs and posts them on the Roscosmos website. The very place, "Poems.ru" and "Pesni.ru" ꟷ is not relevant. Here is the Roscosmos website ꟷ this is a more suitable place.

Journalists often accused Rogozin of populism. Indeed, his statements give a reason for this even when it is not necessary. What are the latest statements by Rogozin that he is an opponent of capitalism and dreams of building a state of social equality in Russia?

Funny, is not it? Rogozin, who is barely making ends meet with a measly 44 million 130 thousand rubles (information from Rogozin's income statement for 2019), and, say, an engineer from the Voronezh KBKhA, who receives as much as 300 thousand rubles. Also a year.

And these people should be equal.

“I am against capitalism. This is the worst thing that people have created ... But the state should have a goal, and I think that this goal should be the construction of a state of social equality and justice, where there is no place for dramatic property stratification and lack of spirituality ”,

- Rogozin wrote on his Facebook.

To be honest, it's not entirely clear. Either Rogozin will be fattening up 500 thousand a year, or an engineer in the space industry will start receiving ... at least 500 thousand a month.

In general, it really would be nice for Mr. Rogozin to give concerts at the enterprises of Roscosmos with such a program. I think the staff would have appreciated and awarded Rogozin with applause.


Photo: Sergey Mamontov, Wikimedia Commons

No money left. And they are plundered


Meanwhile, while we are all washing the bones of Rogozin, who clearly does not know what to do with himself, it is worth listening to another person.

"We can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area."

It was not a journalist who said that. This was not said by an opposition politician. And not even a blogger.

These words belong to Alexander Mikhailovich Sergeev, President of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Russian space problems
Source: kremlin.ru

And he said this at a meeting of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science. There is such a committee. And where, if not at a meeting of such a committee, to say such words?

Sergeev lamented that our space science receives 60 times less money than is spent in the United States on NASA programs. What does this mean? And the fact that underfunding leads to a constant postponement of the completion date. Advanced work, as one would like to think.

Cosmic throwing


Plus, it is worth noting the constant throwing from one project to another. Then we build our space station. No, we are building a station on the moon. No, we are flying somewhere, for which we urgently need to build new ships and launch vehicles.

And in the end there is nothing because:

a) there is not enough money for everything;
b) the allocated amounts are simply stolen at an accelerated pace;
c) what remains is spent on giant superstructures of "effective" managers. Moreover, this applies not only to Roskosmos, as an administrative structure, but also to the enterprises within it.

Is Sergeev a pessimist? Not at all. At the same meeting, the chairman of the Duma committee on education and science, Vyacheslav Nikonov, himself supported Sergeev.


Source: A.Savin, Wikimedia Commons

Vyacheslav Molotov's grandson, doctor historical sciences, also believes that science in Russia is in a deep crisis.

“Today there are six times more researchers in China than in Russia, in the United States - twice! Although once we had much more of them. "

It is estimated that every year less than one percent of our university graduates go to science, and even less remain there.

Meanwhile, all in the same ill-fated May 2012, it was said about the restoration of the level of funding for science in the amount of 1,77 GDP by 2015.

2020 is coming to an end, but the level of funding is still 1,1% of GDP.

So it's amazing that we have at least something created. At least in the defense industry. But space is already starting to go out of orbit, frankly yielding to those who were previously in the role of catch-up.

Again, a quote from Sergeev's speech:

"Funding for scientific space has been reduced to virtually a minimum, which does not allow us to compete with NASA."

Moreover, the Federal Space Program is constantly being adjusted in terms of funding. And, of course, not upward. The allocation of funds specifically for scientific space is being cut.

“Under this program for 2016–2025, it was planned to finance 12–15 billion rubles a year for the tasks of scientific space. In fact, we see that by 2022 funding for work should fall to 2,9 billion rubles instead of 15 billion. This year, funding for scientific space, which is in Russia, is 60 times less than funding for scientific space in NASA. "

Actually, you can put an end here. But no, it's too early.

The cosmos is aging


Our space industry is rapidly aging. Moreover, this applies to personnel, and scientific base, and instrumental. Everything is aging both morally and physically.

And lagging behind today in everything. Yes, we are confidently talking about the launch of lunar spacecraft Luna-2024, Luna-25 and Luna-26 by 27. Perhaps the stations will fly and successfully complete their tasks.

Why "maybe"? Because the module "Science", which we have been launching since 2007, and still nothing.


Let's digress for a while. During a meeting of the Space Council of the same Russian Academy of Sciences, Vladimir Solovyov, First Deputy General Director of the Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) Energia, which is also part of Roscosmos (formerly a Soviet cosmonaut), spoke there.


Soloviev said that

"Some elements of the International Space Station (ISS) are seriously damaged and cannot be replaced with new ones."

And after 2025, an avalanche-like failure of the ISS systems will begin in general, as a result of which further maintenance of the station will become too expensive.

"The costs of further financing, which are estimated at 10-15 billion rubles, are too large."

That is, why should this "Science" be launched now, if the whole station is on fire?

Deorbiting


Soloviev in his speech proposed to return to the idea of ​​creating ROSS, a Russian orbital service station. The idea of ​​your own station is not bad. But where to get the money and those who will build it? Excuse me, in light of the fact that we can't launch the unfortunate module into orbit? 13 years already "work" has been carried out. Then what can we say about the whole station?

Meanwhile, our competitors from the USA and China in the indicated range of 2025-2030 are going to start exploring the Moon. Of course, you can say:

"That's when they start - then we'll see."

I dare to remind you that Musk and his missiles were also spoken of. As a result, all that remains for us is to watch how the Americans and Chinese are rapidly going ahead in the implementation of their space programs.


But, apparently, everyone in our country is happy with everything in this way. The President issues decrees (on the restoration of funding for scientific space programs), but everything remains in the same places.

And it seems to me that the quiet and calm descent of the Russian space industry from orbit and the subsequent "gurgle" in the waters of the Pacific Ocean to the songs of Dmitry Rogozin is our reality, which we will have to put up with.

Yes, of course, we will be proud of our Soviet space past. Korolev, Gagarin, Leonov, Tereshkova ... Our (not quite our) Soviet achievements.

To continue


Today it doesn't matter where the wheel was invented, for example. In Europe or Mesopotamia. 4 or 5 thousand years BC. And it is important how the world uses it today. The same can happen with space: yes, well, the Russians were the first. So, what is next?

I really want this very "further" to be too. And in Russian space history. And not to the songs of Rogozin.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 1 December 2020 15: 07
    +22
    Long Live the Mighty Russian Trampoline ..............
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 December 2020 15: 17
      +19
      To be honest, it's not entirely clear. Either Rogozin will be fattening up 500 thousand a year, or an engineer in the space industry will start receiving ... at least 500 thousand a month.

      The hypocrites are now quite easy to identify .. that would have reduced my salary to the salary of an engineer, there would be social equality, and then, he is a professional engineer, and Rogozin is a journalist ... and if he also had responsibility for unfulfilled programs, stolen funds ... it used to be, under the Soviet Union .. so it would have moved you look ..
      A populist, a hypocrite .. in a word, a journalist, but not one who covers objectively, but one who for money any whim ..
      And it seems to me that the quiet and calm descent of the Russian space industry from orbit and the subsequent "gurgle" in the waters of the Pacific Ocean to the songs of Dmitry Rogozin is our reality, which we will have to put up with.

      I have no doubts about it. It will be so. In general, our state has no prerequisites in any area .. and space is not a priority at all.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 1 December 2020 15: 31
        +17
        and space is not a priority at all.

        And what is our priority in general?
        For the development of the space industry, 3 components are needed: smart heads, a powerful domestic industry and a lot of money. Oddly enough, there are plenty of smart heads. Despite all the reforms in education, our country is one of the three strongest winners of the world youth Olympiads in mathematics and physics. But with the second and third terms - trouble.
        We can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area. "

        This was clear earlier, when the Mir station was "removed from orbit." And then more.
        Soon the Western countries will cooperate with their ISS, the PRC has its own ambitious space exploration program, and Russia is in danger of "being left with nothing" ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 December 2020 15: 50
          +22
          Quote: Doccor18
          For the development of the space industry, 3 components are needed: smart heads, a powerful domestic industry and a lot of money. Oddly enough, there are plenty of smart heads. Despite all the reforms in education, our country is one of the three strongest winners of the world youth Olympiads in mathematics and physics. But with the second and third terms - trouble.

          Colleague, I will add that science and education are still needed.
          And with money, everything is simple, if you shake a friend's friends, then there will be enough money for everything and 5 times!
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 1 December 2020 16: 02
            +11
            ... if you shake a friend's friends, then there will be enough money for everything and 5 times!

            No, well, you can't do that ... winked
            Then it will no longer be a democratic Russia, but a "totalitarian USSR" ...
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 2 December 2020 22: 23
          -5
          smart heads have not yet reported for the loss of Phobos-Soil .. about "they do not give money for space" .. there are a couple of points .. money is given for launched projects based on success .. and then a strange situation comes out - scientists demand 10 billion per year, but at the same time they do not promise at least some kind of return and an increase in the number of studies ... Just give money ... while the same scientists themselves constantly shift the deadlines for projects, arguing that they have not yet developed this or that device ... here they are and pressed funding for new mriya until there is a result on current projects ... about the RAS ... there you generally need to go to the Accounts Chamber and the Investigative Committee for investigation .. By the way, why the article does not mention the allocation of the element and instrument base until 2024 billion rubles ... and what did he say? "Small! Let me disappear!" .. Ie. in fact, it is proposed to randomly allocate a huge amount of money without a responsible person, without tasks or deadlines.
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 1 December 2020 15: 57
        +22
        Quote: Svarog
        It is quite easy to identify hypocrites now .. that would reduce my salary to the salary of an engineer, there would be social equality

        Yes, he at least reduced his salary, to the level of the director of NASA. And I would raise the salaries of engineers. At least up to the level of 10% of the nasa. And then our respected graphomaniac, oh my apologies, our poet, gets 1.5 times more than his American colleague, and his engineer is 20 times less than the Nazis. Such "communists", at the temporary detention facility, were instantly despondent.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 December 2020 15: 58
          +9
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          And then our respected graphomaniac, oh my apologies, our poet, gets 1.5 times more than his American colleague, and his engineer is 20 times less than the Nazis.

          Apparently this is how he represents social justice .. if he sang such songs .. wassat hi
        2. for
          for 2 December 2020 15: 54
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          And I would raise the salaries of engineers.

          With an increase in salaries or pensions, we immediately or in advance raise prices and more than salaries and pensions. Motivation to work better should not only be monetary. There is no money, in terms of income and expense.
      3. astepanov
        astepanov 1 December 2020 16: 28
        +21
        Come on, everything will be fine. Now Slipped and Chernikov will come and tell about the incredible achievements of Rogozmos, the personal contribution of Dmitry Olegich and the nearest prosperity, as well as about five fateful missile launches upcoming before the New Year.
        And Cho, I believe: there will be launches. Surely Rogozin bought the required missiles in the nearest fireworks store and will take them out to his home Baikonur just before New Year, and will delight his neighbors.
        But here's what confuses me: if the word "Roscosmos" is replaced by "Ministry of Health" (Ministry of Education ... - find the options yourself), and the name Rogozin with other personalities, the article will still remain relevant. That's what standardization means!
        And one more thing: which year I have been interested in how journalist and philosopher Rogozin became a doctor of technical sciences, and who voted in the Academic Council "for", and how do the figures from the Higher Attestation Commission, who approved this disgrace, sleep. No information ... T-sss, the enemy is awake!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 December 2020 16: 30
          +9
          Quote: astepanov
          But here's what confuses me: if the word "Roscosmos" is replaced by "Ministry of Health" (Ministry of Education ... - find the options yourself), and the name Rogozin with other personalities, the article will still remain relevant. That's what standardization means!

          good That's for sure, where do not spit ... the situation is standard hi
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 1 December 2020 20: 56
          +34
          Quote: astepanov
          But here's what confuses me: if the word "Roscosmos" is replaced by "Ministry of Health" (Ministry of Education ... - find the options yourself), and the name Rogozin with other personalities, the article will still remain relevant. That's what standardization means!

          It's called Putinism!
    2. Civil
      Civil 1 December 2020 15: 22
      +3
      That's what the article is about? 10 years ago they wrote and commented that they were plundering the remains, now they have already arrived. We have to start from scratch. Only there is no one to start. And there is nothing. All that remains is to "relax and have fun."
      1. dorz
        dorz 1 December 2020 15: 44
        +16
        ... yes, well, the Russians were the first. So, what is next?


        sad
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 1 December 2020 15: 47
        -23%
        Quote: Civil
        That's what the article is about? 10 years ago they wrote and commented that they were plundering the remains, now they have already arrived. We have to start from scratch. Only there is no one to start. And there is nothing. All that remains is to "relax and have fun."

        Remember what army was in Russia under Serdyukov? And what she became under Shoigu! But it was Serdyukov who did all the dirty work! So it is with the space program: a new leader will come and the situation with space will radically change! For some reason, everyone has forgotten about the sanctions, which greatly hamper our space industry. When we are independent of imported components, when building spaceships and satellites, then our space program will take on new rails. And whether Rogozin is to blame for space failures or not, time will tell! If he is now at the head of this industry, then it must be so! If it was only about him, then Putin would have removed him long ago.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 December 2020 15: 56
          +7
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And whether Rogozin is to blame for space failures or not, time will tell! If he is now at the head of this industry, then it must be so! If it was only about him, then Putin would have removed him long ago.

          Of course, the two of them will be responsible for the collapse of the space industry, as well as for the collapse of everything and everyone.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 1 December 2020 16: 04
            -12%
            Quote: Stroporez
            Of course, the two of them will be responsible for the collapse of the space industry, as well as for the collapse of everything and everyone.

            Is it in front of you?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 December 2020 16: 11
              +8
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Is it in front of you?

              Not only, but before the people and you, by the way, too, for fooling you for so many years, and you believed them.
              And for your deceived faith, you will recoup them all in full.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 1 December 2020 16: 18
                -17%
                Quote: Stroporez
                Not only, but before the people and you, by the way, too, for fooling you for so many years, and you believed them.
                And for your deceived faith, you will recoup them all in full.

                Have you played a lot on Gorbachev? Still alive and well!
                And I believe in Putin, as well as not a small part of the Russian people!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 1 December 2020 16: 32
                  +15
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  And I believe in Putin, as well as not a small part of the Russian people!

                  You mean what part .. for half a year, the population decline of 300 tons of people was .. They believed Putin?
                  Putin's rating hangs around 10-15% .. This just fits into the population, which is not bad .. who is closer to the trough and the servants of the gentlemen.
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 1 December 2020 16: 41
                    -17%
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Putin's rating hangs around 10-15% .. This just fits into the population, which is not bad .. who is closer to the trough and the servants of the gentlemen.

                    Is your rating not from Navalny?
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 1 December 2020 16: 43
                      +17
                      Quote: СРЦ П-15
                      Is your rating not from Navalny?

                      And yours from Pamfilova? wassat
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 1 December 2020 16: 31
          +16
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          If he is now at the head of this industry, then it must be so!

          Yes, yes, and Yeltsin was at the head of the country - "it means it must be so!" Colonels known for multibillion-dollar embezzlement fought against corruption - "so it must be!" You would also say - "All is God's will!"
        3. Cosm22
          Cosm22 1 December 2020 17: 20
          +16
          "If he is now at the head of this industry, then it must be so! If it was only him, then Putin would have removed him long ago."
          So it should be, then?
          And what, in fact, do you need? To stand on the sidelines of the world cosmonautics and look with longing at how others with a mighty leap forward along the space road?
          Is it necessary? Who needs? You need? Or Rogozin? Or someone else? For example, I don't need it.
          Let's think about it.
          In September 2000, Jeff Bezos created Blue Origin, and two years later, Elon Musk created SpaceX. Both are private traders.
          The history of the Russian Federation begins around this time. With her space. State.
          You can compare.
          So, what has been created in Russia in two decades? If you do not delve into the little things (such as modifications to the RD and Unions) - nothing. Russia was only proud of the achievements of another state and mercilessly exploited its legacy, believing that this would continue forever. Yes, she skimmed the cream off the closure of the Space Shuttle project, raising the price for a seat for an American from $ 21 million to an incredible $ 86 million in just 13 years!
          The result is that today she is at a broken trough in cosmonautics. Yes, a lot can be attributed to the chaos after the collapse of the USSR. But we cannot forget the super fat oil years, when the country was literally bathed in money and did not know what to do with it. Unfortunately, no one outlined priorities. In the same astronautics.
          The American private traders did not face the problem of what to do with their money. Unlike Russian billionaires, they were not concerned with building personal yachts, but invested money, including in space projects. The results are stunning.
          Bezos and Musk's companies have already created unique methane engines. Blue Origin's VE-4 methane rocket engines have already gone into production. Musk's Raptor has not yet shown any obvious failures. Moreover, the forecasted cost of the engine in the series should be $ 1000 / tf. thrust, which will indicate a price of $ 250 thousand per engine.
          Musk has flying Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy in operation, stage number B1049 has already completed SEVEN !!!! launches! In addition, the manned spacecraft Dragon is already flying, the Starlink satellite constellation is regularly replenished, and work is underway to create the Super Heavy / Starship RCS at an accelerated pace. Impressive?
          Skeptics chuckle, they say, NASA and the Pentagon are helping private traders with money.
          And what does Roscosmos stand apart from military tasks? For whom is the same long-suffering fifth Angara done? Civilians do not need it with its prohibitive price either abroad or in Russia.
          And since private traders are doing so well, why shouldn't Roscosmos give part of the funds to Russian private traders? What is missing? Desires? Uma? Or is it money now?
          The picture is sad. And light strokes on it, apparently, will never be added.
          The train left. Both American and Chinese.
        4. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 1 December 2020 21: 53
          +15
          But it was Serdyukov who did all the dirty work!

          Oh is it? The rout in military medicine, started by Marshal Taburetkin, did not go anywhere. I'm talking about the liquidated military academies. Zhukovsky and them. I’m not even talking about Gagarin - their unification and transfer to Voronezh caused damage, more than Hitler’s - then the educational institutions were evacuated along with the experimental base and the teaching staff. There is no need to praise Taburetkin here. Or did he pay for this post?
        5. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 2 December 2020 04: 23
          +7
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But it was Serdyukov who did all the dirty work!

          mmmda .. dirty millions stuck to dirty hands .... advice: do not voice your thoughts during the military, it is fraught with beatings at best.
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 1 December 2020 16: 14
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Only there is no one to start. And there is nothing.

        On account of no one you are wrong. But on account of nothing, you are right. The strength of our science was determined by the Accounts Chamber. “The auditors of the Accounts Chamber analyzed the main reasons hindering scientific development in the Russian Federation, and found that Russia is among the world scientific leaders only in one indicator: the absolute scale of employment in science. The number of Russian researchers in 2016 amounted to 428,9 thousand people. More - only in China (almost 1,7 million people), the United States (1,4 million people) and Japan (665,6 thousand people). In terms of the share of spending on science in GDP (1,1%), Russia lags significantly behind the leading countries of the world, ranking 34. The leaders are Israel (4,25%), the Republic of Korea (4,24%), Switzerland (3,37%), Sweden (3,25%) and Taiwan (3,16%) The United States and China, which have the largest volume of domestic expenditures on R&D (research and development - ed.), Occupy 11th and 15th places in terms of the share of these expenditures in GDP (2,74% and 2,12%), "the report says. ...
        1. Arpad
          Arpad 1 December 2020 16: 41
          +3
          Quote: WIKI
          that Russia is among the world's scientific leaders in only one indicator: the absolute scale of employment in science... The number of Russian researchers in 2016 amounted to 428,9 thousand people. More - only in China (almost 1,7 million people), the United States (1,4 million people) and Japan (665,6 thousand people)... In terms of the share of spending on science in GDP (1,1%), Russia lags significantly behind the leading countries of the world, being in 34th place. The leaders are Israel (4,25%), the Republic of Korea (4,24%), Switzerland (3,37%), Sweden (3,25%) and Taiwan (3,16%).

          the case when quantity does not turn into quality
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 1 December 2020 15: 10
    +13
    You might think - Rogozin is somehow very different for the worse against the background of the rest of Putin's nukers .. Yes, everyone is like that, except for those who are much more gruesome. Capitalism, sir, everyone thinks exclusively about how to fill their own pocket. They are deeply concerned about the country and the people with a pager ..
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 1 December 2020 15: 18
      +4
      The most important thing in Russian space is the cosmic sums stolen from the budget. smile
  3. Kart
    Kart 1 December 2020 15: 12
    -32%
    The author was undermined not childishly.
    Calm down, comrade.
    There will be Russia - there will be space, without Rogozin or with him.
    Fuck off to revolutions - nothing will happen. No country, no space. In the next 300 years.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 December 2020 15: 20
      +18
      Quote: Carte
      There will be Russia - there will be space, without Rogozin or with him.

      Do you think Russia will be without Putin or not?
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 1 December 2020 16: 16
        +11
        This is a very difficult question for him. He will answer incorrectly, in a moment he will lose his prestigious job as a patriot.
        1. Genry
          Genry 1 December 2020 19: 55
          -17%
          Quote: Varyag71
          This is a very difficult question for him. He will answer incorrectly, in a moment he will lose his prestigious job as a patriot.

          Do you already know all the creaklam?
          Your goal: to spoil the state in which you live. Krylov's fable "The Pig and the Oak" immediately comes to mind.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 1 December 2020 15: 25
      +17
      Yes? Didn't the socialist revolution bring us into space? And in general - created a great superpower out of Russia? And didn't the capitalist counter-revolution kick us out of outer space, and turned the country into the devil knows what?

      But some citizens persistently rub in on us - no, no way, don't you dare rock the boat, no revolutions! Come on, the country is rolling into a cesspool under the wise guidance of an adored guarantor ..
      1. Genry
        Genry 1 December 2020 19: 48
        -13%
        Quote: paul3390
        Didn't the socialist revolution bring us into space?

        Firstly, the "socialist" one was an ordinary coup d'etat (change of government), since in Russia the tsar was overthrown earlier during the bourgeois revolution (namely the revolution).

        You still remember the reign of Hitler with its economic development in Germany. Where did television first appear?
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 1 December 2020 15: 45
      +15
      Quote: Carte
      Fuck off to revolutions - nothing will happen. No country, no space. In the next 300 years.

      Actually, we have already galloped once. Just before space and nuclear weapons. And they galloped away just from the mega-power, which, for example, was not able to weld optical glass. And I didn't intend to at all. What for? Let's sell grain and buy from the Germans. Painfully familiar, isn't it? And in general, it was inferior, in terms of the general level of technical development, and not in smelting iron and producing coal, to such a monster as Italy. And now they galloped back. To "The Russia They Lost". And in this Russia, there really won't be space. If 5 years ago they still tried to compete with the United States and China, now we will fight with the EU and New Zealand. 2000 - 32 launches, 2010 - 29 launches, this year - 12. Sorry generously, but better surgical intervention in the form of revolutions than rotting alive. Slowly, but surely.
      1. Genry
        Genry 1 December 2020 19: 59
        -15%
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Excuse me generously, but surgery, in the form of revolutions, is better than rotting alive. Slowly, but surely.

        You want to change sex - it's your own business (private revolution) - please satisfy yourself.
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 1 December 2020 15: 14
    0
    "everything". said gold. kin will not be ............................................... ............................................
    there is a secret city - they are building stations for the development of Neptune and Pluto. I don't know for sure, maybe for Uranus.
    and the rest is a fig.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 1 December 2020 15: 17
    +3
    Novel, so that the country has a cosmic present, it is first necessary to totally change everyone who runs our "space shop"! hands. We need to take money away from Rosnyun and give it to our cosmonautics, we need a lot more! But, for now, the journalist is filling the space with space, so far, in fact, and not in words, the Kremlin is satisfied with the poverty of our cosmonautics, Rogozin
    , a leader who does not have his own opinion, only carrying out decisions "from there", Russia will be forced to vegetate on the margins of the world space.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 1 December 2020 15: 27
      -1
      The system needs to be changed, not the personalities in power !! Well, put others in prison - they will steal in the same way and not do a damn thing. For this is the main value of capitalism - the acquisition of dough. Everything else is irrelevant.
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 1 December 2020 16: 33
        -10%
        The system needs to be changed

        Would you go on with your change of tuning. Already changed - swam ...
        No really. prem in front.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 1 December 2020 16: 42
          +5
          Continue to kiss the bourgeois ass lustfully ..
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 1 December 2020 16: 20
      +3
      The Kremlin needs to be changed
      1. Genry
        Genry 1 December 2020 20: 07
        -11%
        It is better for you to immediately change the state - in the sense of moving and changing citizenship (most likely you are no longer a citizen of Russia). After all, the fish is looking deeper.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 2 December 2020 07: 33
          +7
          I am still a citizen of the great country of the USSR! And why should I and other people, because of a handful of rotten rulers, their sixes and various kinds of slaves, have to change my country and homeland?
  6. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 1 December 2020 15: 23
    0
    Russian space problems
    Not character but scale
  7. Tsoy
    Tsoy 1 December 2020 15: 24
    +6
    "Some elements of the International Space Station (ISS) are seriously damaged and cannot be replaced with new ones"


    And he said it for a reason. The ISS leak was never fixed. The place was found, but a crack in the case was in a hard-to-reach place. There is a possibility that it will start to increase further. Even docked progress is afraid to touch it out of harm's way. The funny thing is that Roskosmos proudly announced the record of Progress staying in outer space, keeping silent that he was hanging out there not because of a good life, but simply because it’s scary to make things worse.
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 December 2020 15: 24
    +7
    When they talk about Brezhnev, "stagnation" is inevitable. When they talk about "Buran" - a costly project. If we had VVP, as in stagnation, then we would only dream of having fun. Such a drone as Buran, no one will repeat. Under the damned USSR, we had our own space stations, but now we knock off money on tourism.
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  10. Vadim237
    Vadim237 1 December 2020 15: 27
    -19%
    Until 2028, they create: Angara A5P, A5M, Soyuz 5, Soyuz 6, which is also a super heavy base Yenisei, manned by Oryol, Nuclear power plant Nuclon, SV Wing, new liquid-propellant rocket engines, plasma, electric engines for satellites, new upper stages, satellites of the Sphere system and, accordingly, preparation foreign cosmonauts and participation in international space expeditions and research continue, as well as the removal of commercial load, both civil and military - something early on, all sorts of professors of the Russian Academy of Sciences and authors bury our space.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 1 December 2020 15: 38
      +11
      Vadim 237 - the Kremlin has such a bad game "shifting the deadlines for the implementation of programs to the right," and moreover, they play this game in the Kremlin all the time! Few of what you have listed will actually be "embodied in iron", and a lot of what will be "done later, then, then", much later than the specified period. When everything is hopelessly outdated. ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 December 2020 17: 12
      +10
      Well, with a tugboat, a wing, and so on, like Musk and Starship - either it will create or fail. Any revolutionary technology has a great chance of failing or requiring processing, or refinancing, or tripling of the time frame.

      As for the Angara, it's already expensive. She even with Ariane6 will not take out the competition. And Arian6 himself is barely getting into the market (not yet born) and that is solely because of the lobbying of launches on European media and lending.

      The Methane Union is interesting. The main question is how it will lag behind the competition. For example, the same SES (a favorite client of Roskosmos) will conclude contracts for withdrawal with other companies for another 5 years, and that's all, there's no use from the Union if the customers are already in contracts and they have norms.

      As for the astronauts - I repeat, the UAE personnel are now preparing in the states.
      UAE chose NASA instead of Roscosmos
      The United Arab Emirates Mohammed bin Rashid Space Center has selected NASA to continue training its own astronauts for flights to the International Space Station (ISS). This was announced on Twitter by the Prime Minister and Vice President of the UAE, Mohammed ibn Rashid Al Maktoum.
      As the Khaleej Times writes, with September 21 Al-Mansoori and Al-Neyadi began training for flights to the ISS in NASA Lyndon Johnson Space Center in Houston (USA)... Two more astronauts from the UAE are to undergo similar training at NASA.

      As for the conclusions, there are very few firm contracts, foreign customers. Again, I repeat, it is wrong to take Arian - because they are there marketing as they can, but they are all the cream. RK - provides a launch vehicle and a package of launch services. The profit from starting through Arian is much less than from starting directly.

      If we take RK:
      - OneWeb. They seem to have been resurrected in the morgue, but we'll see. Suddenly they will die again. The lag behind Musk in the system's withdrawal is already colossal. You can't take off the cream.

      - 1,5 launches in the interests of South Korea.

      - 0,5 launches in the interests of Tunisia and other customers (all 16 nano-micro-cubes will be crammed in).

      - Angola, but the money is unclear. The jamb was recognized by RKK for the first satellite. The start is definitely not monetary, the question is only strongly negative or moderately.

      - EkzoMars - but this is SPShka.

      For example, in December a new Turksat5a flies from a best friend. Guess 3 times on which rocket it is displayed? Also next year, a satellite ordered in Italy is flying for Field Marshal Sisi, another best friend. Guess which rocket it is launched on? Even at the expense of politics, launches cannot be pulled out. sad
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 1 December 2020 19: 32
        +1
        Well, with a tug, a wing and other things like Musk with


        Do you think there will be at least some benefit from the offspring of Lake Baikal? A light launch vehicle that will carry too much ballast to return. Given the complexity of the SV Wing, I don't think it will be cheaper than Electron.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 December 2020 20: 08
          -10%
          We will live until 2028, there it will be possible to summarize both our projects and competitors - what to guess now.
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 2 December 2020 09: 43
            +3
            We will live until 2028, there it will be possible to summarize both our projects and competitors - what to guess now.


            Oh, how they love you here)) The cons were shipped for a logical and natural statement as a whole.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 2 December 2020 12: 56
              0
              Vadim gets downsides for inadequate comments.
        2. Genry
          Genry 1 December 2020 20: 19
          -7
          Quote: Choi
          A light launch vehicle that will carry too much ballast to return.

          The carbon fiber wing and landing gear will be no heavier than the extendable supports and the enlarged tanks of excess fuel (with a margin) for a "rocket" landing. At the same time, the load in the planning mode (the remaining fuel is completely burned out or drained) is much less than in the controlled engine braking mode.
  11. Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 1 December 2020 15: 49
    +28
    Today there are six times more researchers in China than in Russia, in the United States - twice! Although we once had many more

    But G. Gref is convinced that we only need "competent users of the results of someone else's work" and we do not need researchers. These are the "leaders" who command us.
  12. Roman070280
    Roman070280 1 December 2020 15: 55
    +4
    Dmitry Rogozin has filed lawsuits against several media outlets. On the protection of honor and dignity.


    Joke..))

    "We can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area."

    These words belong to Alexander Mikhailovich Sergeev, President of the Russian Academy of Sciences.


    But local iksperds can compete quite ..))


    Meanwhile, all in the same ill-fated May 2012, it was said about the restoration of the level of funding for science in the amount of 1,77 GDP by 2015.


    And also:
    "May 19, 2017
    Dmitry Medvedev presented to Vladimir Putin the government's work plan for the next eight years. The prime minister said that already Until 2020 year the growth rates of the Russian economy may reach level above the world average"

    How was that for you ??)

    Shl .. and what good "rogozy" we still dream of seeing in Roscosmos, with the same fraudulent ministers and presidents ??
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2020 20: 12
      -13%
      The prime minister said that by 2020 the growth rate of the Russian economy could reach a level higher than the world average "You missed the word" Possible ", that is, there was no statement that we would come out straight - And then the question is, where did he actually goof?
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 2 December 2020 08: 50
        +4
        Correctly..))
        Likewise, Rogozin, when he says that in a couple of years we will fly to the moon - he is as "non-reckless" as his superiors .. because, perhaps we will fly, but maybe not ..))
        More precisely - everyone knows that no one will fly anywhere .. just like everyone knows that there was no growth rate of the Russian economy to a level higher than the world average, no, and will not be .. But it does not bother anyone to tell lies ..))
  13. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 15: 59
    +7
    "We can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area."
    The hats are over. smile
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 1 December 2020 16: 38
      +1
      Che, from one skin you can oh how many hats to sew laughing You can't even stretch strawberries.
  14. Van 16
    Van 16 1 December 2020 16: 14
    +2
    Good article, everything about the case.
  15. Esaul
    Esaul 1 December 2020 16: 32
    +7
    Our government does not need space, or an army, or science and education, or medicine, etc. They only need money allocated for this purpose, which can be plundered calmly and without straining work.
    1. Genry
      Genry 1 December 2020 20: 24
      -12%
      Quote: Esaul
      Our government doesn't need space

      Go into space yourself!
      You need it more.
    2. 1970mk
      1970mk 1 December 2020 23: 36
      +2
      Why is this all to Putin and Co.? They received the means of production as property + the country's resources. They're enough!
  16. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 1 December 2020 16: 37
    -3
    And everyone who has commented below will rely on the rigidity (on pain of black funnels) control .. and for funds too.
  17. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 1 December 2020 16: 50
    +2
    we will be proud of our Soviet space past. Korolev, Gagarin, Leonov, Tereshkova ...
    in the light of recent events, only Gagarin can be proud of.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 2 December 2020 13: 00
      0
      Already Tereshkova, now you definitely cannot be proud, but you can despise.
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  19. steelmaker
    steelmaker 1 December 2020 16: 59
    +9
    In two years, China produced more cement than the United States in the entire 20th century. Road length is 4 million km. 300 thousand bridges across the country, of which 1000 more km. During the year, the vehicle fleet increases by 20 million cars. 100 airports are built every year. In 10 years, there will be 220 cities in China with a population of more than one million. How many such cities will we have in 10 years? And all these statistics are due to one digit. Since 2000, 10 thousand officials have been executed in China !!!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2020 20: 19
      -9
      "100 airports are built every year." Maybe all the same airfields. And there is nothing to compare Russia with China - the population is ten times more favorable weather conditions, the absence of permafrost and the absence of many other "charms" which we have, both historical and economic.
    2. Genry
      Genry 1 December 2020 20: 59
      -9
      Quote: steel maker
      Since 2000, 10 thousand officials have been executed in China !!!!

      BH Obama also stated that about 2 million children of Chinese officials have a "residence permit" or citizenship in the United States. Why doesn't China shoot their parents?
  20. donavi49
    donavi49 1 December 2020 19: 29
    +15
    Everything turned out:
    CHINA SUCCESSFULLY LANDS SPACECRAFT ON MOON'S SURFACE IN CHANG'E-5 MISSION TO RETRIEVE LUNAR ROCKS - STATE MEDIA

    Chinese re-entry vehicle "Chang'e-5", sent for lunar soil, made a successful landing on the visible side of the moon - TV


    1. Genry
      Genry 1 December 2020 20: 30
      -8
      It turns out that the Chinese have overtaken the United States and Russia in lunar landing this year.
      Do we need it now?
  21. 123456789
    123456789 1 December 2020 20: 26
    +4
    Dmitry Rogozin has filed lawsuits against several media outlets. On the protection of honor and dignity. In fact, yes, we need to show these journalists who's boss. And who should think about the words about "funeral of astronautics ", and who should bear the honorary title "undertaker of Russian space ".

    The idea behind the lawsuit is that if you get two liars to expose each other, the truth will come out.
    Bernard Show
  22. TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 1 December 2020 20: 54
    +4
    Meanwhile: At 23:13 Beijing time (18:13 Moscow time), the landing module of the Chang'e-5 reentry spacecraft landed on the moon, the CGTN television channel reported. Soon he will start taking soil samples. The goal of the China National Space Administration's mission is to deliver samples of lunar gravel and rocks to Earth for the first time in Chinese history. https://news.mail.ru/society/44381480/?frommail=1 I haven't watched the news for a long time, I have to: what will the Russian media tell you?
  23. WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 1 December 2020 20: 55
    +6
    Yes, of course, we will be proud of our Soviet space past. Korolev, Gagarin, Leonov, Tereshkova ... Our (not quite our) Soviet achievements.


    Too timid, Roman, too timid.
    These achievements are NOT ours. These are the achievements of the USSR to which modern Russia,
  24. WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 1 December 2020 21: 31
    +10
    Yes, of course, we will be proud of our Soviet space past. Korolev, Gagarin, Leonov, Tereshkova ... Our (not quite our) Soviet achievements.


    Bolder, Roman, bolder and you will learn the simple truth - we do not have наших cosmic achievements from the word "absolutely", for ours is when created us Here and now.
    What was created earlier: the space program, the exploration of the atom, the Great Victory, our own civil aviation - this is, by and large, not ours. All this remained in that country, which my fellow citizens, maddened by the permanent socio-political stupidity and all-encompassing deficit, joyfully "poured" into a latrine.
    And we will never build is our, if we do not answer the simple question "Why?".
    And we will be able to answer this question only when a full-fledged ideological model of the development of the Russian Federation appears, which answers clearly and clearly to simple and understandable questions:
    - Why should a resident of Kaliningrad and Vladivostok live in the same country?
    - Does Russia have a special development path? If so, why?
    - What is the main goal and task of the Russian government?
    - Is it a calling as a government official?
    - How important is the role of the deputies and should they be included in one of the branches of government?
    - Is entrepreneurship a form of self-expression or enrichment?
    - Can an entrepreneur, especially a former one, be a top government official?
    - Social justice is what and why?
    - ...
    There are many of them, these questions and they, in different verbal forms, often obscene, are born and mature in the heads of my fellow citizens, especially young people, to whom, despite the bravura official chatter, it begins to dawn that they were , a cold, technologically backward country on the outskirts of the civilized world. In a country that slides smoothly, under the crunch of a French roll, to Urkaganat.
    And when personal thought processes accelerate the neurons of public relations to supercritical speeds, creating an avalanche-like increase in discontent, irritability and mutual hatred, we will need an ideological shield and sword like air, but we will not have them, because we are about "like our space"wrote.
    I think so.
  25. KSVK
    KSVK 1 December 2020 21: 35
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Is your rating not from Navalny?

    And yours from Pamfilova? wassat

    Good answer. Bravo!
  26. KSVK
    KSVK 1 December 2020 21: 40
    -2
    Quote: Carte
    ..Nothing will happen. No country, no space. In the next 300 years.

    Will you give the arguments, or so, by .. fuck?
  27. KSVK
    KSVK 1 December 2020 21: 52
    +4
    Quote: Genry
    Quote: paul3390
    Didn't the socialist revolution bring us into space?

    First, the "socialist" was an ordinary coup (change of government)

    The October REVOLUTION of the 17th year was precisely the REVOLUTION. For it changed the ownership of the means of production. Let's leave the question of its timeliness outside the brackets.
  28. KSVK
    KSVK 1 December 2020 22: 07
    +7
    Quote: Genry

    You want to change sex - it's your own business (private revolution) - please satisfy yourself.

    You know, my dear, to offend a woman, even possibly virtual disgusting. Unworthy for a real man. Regardless of her sexual predilections and orientation. Let's not be like. And we will learn to take responsibility for our words and actions.
  29. 1970mk
    1970mk 1 December 2020 23: 30
    +4
    The most revealing thing is that in our so-called "news" they don't talk about space at all. Gentlemen-Comrades .... millions are looking at YouTube as the Americans launch another .... the Chinese are landing on the moon ... with us? Zero!
    Forgive me, as it is not patriotic, there is a complete DEGRADATION of everything in the country. Just FINISH! I don’t understand one thing - we have the same genius and his comrades for 20 years! Great Russia is out everywhere ON OUR TV!
    What's happening? We are in this very ... FULL of this very ... and there is no way out!
  30. kig
    kig 2 December 2020 04: 52
    +2
    Everything that happens to us fits perfectly into Gumilyov's theory of passionarity. The passion has faded, the fuse has dried up, the desire for change has passed - Russia is slipping into a passionarity below the norm, that is, laziness and passivity.
  31. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2020 07: 25
    +1
    This topic is not for discussion, but for SUFFERING !!!
    Tired, and there is NO sense in any chatter!
    1. Strelets1
      Strelets1 3 December 2020 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      This topic is not for discussion, but for SUFFERING !!!
      Tired, and there is NO sense in any chatter!


      I read something at the beginning of the comments - then I got tired of it, I just leafed through the rest.
      A resume similar to yours - one whining and wringing of hands. From "junior sergeants" to "marshals" - with a bunch of stripes ("for the length of service" on the site). There is even nothing to comment on.

      I just want to send the "whiners" to the launch table for 2019 and ask them to calculate how many spacecraft were launched this year by the "three whales" of the American aerospace industry - Lockheed, Boeing and Northrop (well, ULA, of course - as the LM and Boeing launch operator) ... And compare with the data of Roskosmos.
      And how much the vaunted Blue Orange launched Bezos - from 2002 to the present. and 2019 - specifically.

      The "genius of modern cosmonautics" - (aka "St. I. Musk"), look - how many launches there were in 2019 funded by NASA and the US Department of Defense, how many launches of their own satellites to deploy the Starlink orbital group (which, according to all accounting canons, should fit in the article "Costs for launch services") and see how many launches he has left in the ... hehe ... "conquered Space X market" of the "world commercial launches".
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 December 2020 22: 03
        0
        Now, and even after the infection that rolls around the world, everyone will suffer !!!
        Unless the Chinese will drive out of this situation, without serious losses .... although this is not a fact.
        In general, this period must still be lived through without global catastrophes.
        Ohhhhhhhh, pulling out the last hairs from the head of hair will help nothing ...
  32. Alex66
    Alex66 2 December 2020 08: 18
    +2
    And that we are rolling a barrel at Rogozin, everything is clear with him, he is a manager, and by all accounts GOOD (judging by the salary). So everything that he does suits his boss and questions, but who is our most important boss? V.V. Putin elected by the majority to work for the good of the PEOPLE. We just don't understand something and this is his cunning plan for the collapse of the space industry, but in fact new transport systems for travel in space are already ready and soon we will learn about this from Putin's speech V.V. (sarcasm if that)
  33. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 2 December 2020 12: 57
    0
    But on the other hand, the new business center "RosKosmos" is being built in Moscow according to the plan ... :(
  34. Old Orc
    Old Orc 3 December 2020 17: 24
    0
    The most correct song description of what is happening in Roscosmos and not only, with the work being done and promises https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJDS1RZnh7E
  35. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 4 December 2020 18: 11
    0
    An emotional article, but nothing more. Ragozin? Well, Rogozin, an effective manager, is one of many. Remove it? And what will change? No songs will be published on the site. But about the station, it's more interesting. One station is outdated, so another station is needed. Or maybe for a start, one of these scientists will explain to us why this station is needed at all? But because there is a whole money chain here. There are cosmonauts, there are "ships" for them, there are rockets for these "ships". But if there is no station, then where to fly then? Here is the answer why the station is needed. Astronautics is in crisis! The crisis is not in astronautics, but in the brains of retrogrades. Manned space exploration is a dead end for today and tomorrow. How mininmum! Lunar programs, flights to Mars and Alpha Centauri, leave to filmmakers and science fiction writers. They do it better. The satellites are where the real development is. What is a satellite? This is the same device, which means that every year it becomes more functional and small in size. And they don't need heavy rockets. So it's not about money, but about development strategy. And here a political decision is needed. And without him, they will launch barrels with people into orbit for another 50 years!