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Russia's victory, the West's defeat: world media on the Russian military in Karabakh

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The American edition of The Wall Street Journal has published a long article by Ann Simmons and Raja Adulrahim. It speaks of the twofold consequences of the entry of Russian troops into the Transcaucasus. On the one hand, the presence of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh, according to the American publication, inspires hope for a ceasefire, but on the other hand, it also inspires bitter feelings: Russia's political influence in the region will noticeably increase.


The main thing that worries Western analysts is the prospects for a significant strengthening of Russia's positions in the Transcaucasian region. Thanks to a well-thought-out policy towards the Karabakh war, Moscow managed to maintain friendly relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan.

As a result, Russia was able to refrain from participating in the conflict on any side, but at the same time ensured its military presence in the region, and formally Russian peacekeepers are already on the territory of Azerbaijan. That is, now from the point of view of international law, Russian troops are present in Armenia, at the base in Gyumri, and in Azerbaijan, on the line of demarcation of the parties to the conflict in Karabakh.

What can follow this? Firstly, there is a colossal risk of the gradual establishment of Russian military-political domination both in Armenia and in Azerbaijan. The Russian authorities may try to integrate the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies into a single military-political space in post-Soviet Eurasia.

Secondly, Russia was able to demonstrate to both the Transcaucasian countries and the world community that in the post-Soviet space, it alone is the only actor capable of stopping bloodshed in such cases and stopping impending humanitarian disasters.

In many respects, the West is also to blame for this situation, which not only did not help Armenia, but also refused to do anything at all to end the bloody war. It turned out that even the anti-Russian Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan should not have counted on help from the Western powers. The United States generally distanced itself from the problem, and France limited itself to demagogic statements that did not carry any real action.

At the same time, some Western media are still trying to accuse Russia - this time for the fact that it “surrendered” Armenia, citing as arguments the opinions of some fictitious Armenians, or nationalists - Russophobes. In fact, anyone, but not the Armenian people in this case, should talk about betrayal by Russia: firstly, the war with the further complete capture of Karabakh was stopped only by the introduction of Russian peacekeepers, and secondly, Russia should not have accepted any of the parties, and only this position allowed her to remain in the role of the guarantor of peace and tranquility in the post-Soviet space, and not to become like Turkey, which unambiguously sided with Azerbaijan and turned into one of the parties to the conflict.

Another American publication Politico considers the consequences of the war in Karabakh as, first of all, the geopolitical defeat of Europe. The elimination of the European countries from the solution of the Karabakh problem led to a significant strengthening of both Russia and Turkey, but the European Union could not show itself as a serious political actor.

Mark Almond, director of the Institute for Crisis Research in Oxford, writes in the Telegraph that Russia and Turkey are the beneficiaries in the event of conflicts in Syria, Libya, and the Caucasus, which will have to collect trophies, and not the West, which completely lost and lost his influence.

The German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung considers the presence of Russian troops in Karabakh as an unambiguous victory for Putin and writes that now decisions on the fate of Karabakh, apparently, will be taken exclusively by Moscow. The French edition of Le Point also writes about the transformation of Russia into the chief arbiter, but it also reminds: in fact, the point in stories The Karabakh conflict has not yet been staged.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 November 2020 10: 47
    +5
    Suddenly offended our "probable friends." (Such friends for Faberge - yes to the museum!)
    Putin is really a grandmaster!
    Veni, lead, vici!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 30 November 2020 11: 00
      +12
      Russia's victory, the West's defeat: world media on the Russian military in Karabakh

      Surprising conclusions: Russia and the West fought in Karabakh? belay
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 30 November 2020 11: 06
        +21
        France limited itself to demagogic statements that did not carry any real action.

        Is it the first time? In September 1939, they also casually and gracefully dumped their client - Polish Poland.

        France, still that "great power" ...
        1. krot
          krot 30 November 2020 20: 07
          +1
          The Russian authorities may try to integrate the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies into a single military-political space in post-Soviet Eurasia.

          The Anglo-Saxons will now start fanning the conflict in Karabakh by acting on the sly .. They will not let the Caucasus live peacefully!
      2. Kart
        Kart 30 November 2020 12: 08
        -1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Surprising conclusions: Russia and the West fought in Karabakh?

        So.
        As two geopolitical, global forces, they are involved in one way or another everywhere. it is between them that there is a constant struggle for domination. There is also China, and smaller applicants, for example Turkey.
        But globally, it is still Russia and the United States, not even just the West.
        True, this unexpected information can tear the brains of the adherents of the destroyed country and the eaten hedgehogs.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 November 2020 12: 45
          -12%
          Quote: Carte
          But globally, it is still Russia and the United States,

          Are you serious? And what are Russia's "global" claims? To whom and where? We are busy in our backyards, not really claiming anything, because there is no potential.
          Quote: Carte
          There is also China, and smaller applicants

          Comrade, you are 30 years late with your swagger of "older brother". For a long time no one looks at us with respectful awe, as at a great power and once the USSR. But to China - yes.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 1 December 2020 11: 21
            -2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            For a long time no one looks at us with respectful awe,

            True, as soon as Putin said "stop!", The fight stopped instantly. Strange, huh?)
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 December 2020 13: 03
              -3
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Strange, huh?)

              yes, to separate the provincial gopniks is a global task.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 2 December 2020 13: 32
                0
                Why didn't you separate? Is it that easy? I would have scored points in the international arena.
          2. Egor53
            Egor53 1 December 2020 19: 25
            -1
            The paragraph Epitafievich has gone completely stupid from Russophobia, and he is working off his liberal money. It works poorly, without a spark.
            Russia does not have "global claims", but real world domination in only two areas, but in the most important -
            1. Military. We have the most powerful army with the most advanced weapons. Not in size it is the most powerful, but because it can destroy ANY power in the world, I mean the United States. But no army of the world can destroy Russia.
            2. Energy. For all 3 energy parameters: oil, gas and nuclear fuel, Russia is in first place in the world. In terms of oil, Saudi Arabia is at our level, but in terms of gas and nuclear fuel, Russia surpasses everyone else, and very much. In terms of nuclear fuel, Russia surpasses the rest of the world combined.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 December 2020 20: 36
              -2
              Enough of the washed out brains strumming, the victim of Solovyov.
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 30 November 2020 13: 28
        +4
        Does this surprise you? The war between the West and Russia is everywhere. And in this war, automatic bursts do not necessarily sound and tanks rumble.
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 30 November 2020 11: 08
      +11
      There is no draw in this situation. There was a stalemate and remained. Only the pieces on the chessboard are arranged differently. It seems that in favor of Russia. hi
      1. Zhan
        Zhan 30 November 2020 11: 29
        -2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        There is no draw in this situation. There was a stalemate and remained. Only the pieces on the chessboard are arranged differently. It seems that in favor of Russia. hi

        I'm wondering how the West will get out of this stalemate now? What nonsense will the gray mare sound again?
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 18
          0
          "I'm wondering how the West will get out of this stalemate now?" - and what, the West somehow got involved in this situation to get out of it? We must pay tribute to the Western strategists - they cleverly shifted all responsibility and financial costs to Russia. It is Russia who now somehow needs to get out of the ridiculous situation, when we have pledged to protect something that used to be Artsakh, and in 5 years will become simply Azerbaijan, and the status of this territory has not been determined in any way. Protect at our expense, getting shots in the back from both sides.
      2. Max Lebedev
        Max Lebedev 30 November 2020 12: 13
        +17
        Quote: bessmertniy
        There is no draw in this situation. There was a stalemate and remained. Only the pieces on the chessboard are arranged differently

        If we talk in terms of chess, then it turns out: at first we bypassed the Turks and dropped anchor from the Syrian side, now they got closer to us. Score 1: 1
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 30 November 2020 13: 34
        +2
        Pat was before. Now business has moved off the ground. The beneficiary is Azerbaijan, ours have a good prize. But the Armenians were not lucky. Here, the Soros with their Russophobic quirks did a good service to Russia. They gave us a good reason to remain neutral without losing face.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 21
          -1
          What is the prize for Russia? The fact that our soldiers were in ... the opera of the world? Both Azerbaijan and Armenia are slowly but surely sailing away from us and will not return. Neither one nor the other will thank us, and Karabakh will not bring us glory.
    3. withoutreverse
      withoutreverse 30 November 2020 12: 10
      +4
      Araksi Gregorian, an operating room nurse who worked for a week in an Armenian field hospital during the fighting, was also alarmed that the sacred site was being guarded by the military.



      “I don’t trust the Russians” because they forced Armenia to give up its lands, as 50-year-old Grigoryan said, whom we met at the Yerablur military cemetery, where they are now digging new graves for dead soldiers and holding funeral ceremonies.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 30 November 2020 16: 49
        +2
        they forced Armenia to give its land
        It is possible that soon the Armenians will talk about the iconic Armenian lands of Ar Sochakh and Ar Rostovakh. wassat
  2. andr327
    andr327 30 November 2020 10: 51
    0
    And the West has nothing to offer and cannot, it just has this terrible word SANCTIONS. And this - the Washington regional committee should give the go-ahead for this (and there are their own showdowns).
    1. frruc
      frruc 30 November 2020 10: 59
      -15%
      And we have nothing special to advise them, except to show the launch of the "zircon" on TV.
      1. Kart
        Kart 30 November 2020 12: 10
        +7
        Zircon must first be made. That is, to build factories, introduce technologies. And then they show it on TV as a result.
        All "partners" perfectly understand this.
        Only the stubborn fighters with the regime of all colors do not understand this.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 30 November 2020 10: 53
    +4
    They are singing praises directly ... only it is still bitter to perceive all this, and the tension remains in none of this place.
    Too many unfinished business! There will always be those who want to stir up another fire on the territory of the former ... along our borders, besides.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2020 12: 17
      -1
      And then how to present! laughing
      When any Western "expert" doubts the effectiveness of "aromas" or Su 57, he is initially ridiculed. When praises are sung, then - that's the same, they recognize a change!)))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 November 2020 12: 39
        +1
        Any idea, direction and other things, have their supporters, opponents.
        Not everything is the same everywhere.
        On the one hand, it should be so, on the other, it causes rejection among some ...
        We will be on our side, but we shouldn't belittle the other side in vain!
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 November 2020 13: 25
          +2
          Quote: rocket757

          We will be on our side, but we shouldn't belittle the other side in vain!


          It is worth puffing out our cheeks and we will lose, therefore very carefully and carefully ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 November 2020 13: 34
            +1
            Well, yes, only forward movement.
            It is not the most useful to have priority in the military sphere, but there are simply no other options now.
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 November 2020 13: 42
              +1
              Yes, we need to keep ourselves in good shape and take everything very seriously ...
    2. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2020 13: 24
      +2
      Quote: rocket757

      Too many unfinished business! There will always be those who want to stir up another fire on the territory of the former ... along our borders, besides.


      That's just the point and there are more than such smoldering centers ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 November 2020 13: 36
        0
        Finish some business, well, I really want to quickly !!!
        But now how will it turn out.
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 November 2020 13: 47
          +2
          I'm afraid that our "partners" are also not sitting idly by and will continue to kindle around us ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 November 2020 14: 25
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            I'm afraid that our "partners" are also not sitting idly by and will continue to kindle around us ...

            Well, yes, you can use a new proverb - Tell me who your partner is and I'll tell you how you will live! .....
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 November 2020 14: 38
              +1
              Uh, here you can discover a new genre - "partnership for the sake of war" ...
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 November 2020 10: 56
    +19
    Russia saved its ally - Armenia - from final defeat.
    But the winner is Azerbaijan. He conquered his territories back.
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 November 2020 11: 05
      -4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      the winner is Azerbaijan. He conquered his territories back.

      Everything flows, everything changes. Until 1917 there was no Azerbaijan yet. In the short term, it may not be. For whom Azerbaijan conquered the territories is still an open question.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 November 2020 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        In the short term, it may not be.

        where will he go? Will Persians lose to Turks at backgammon?
    2. Guru
      Guru 30 November 2020 11: 06
      +10
      Russia saved an ally - Armenia
      You don't need a couple of such allies and enemies. Crimea did not recognize the soznichek, but if America somehow appropriated Greenland for itself, the Allies would recognize it immediately, including Israel. And the Armenians are wagging their tail, so they did it.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 November 2020 12: 05
        -4
        Quote: Guru
        Crimea did not recognize the soul,

        does it matter? Russia's ally questionnaire, question number 1: "Whose Crimea?" - so what?
    3. withoutreverse
      withoutreverse 30 November 2020 12: 08
      +15
      The lamentations of the Armenians reminded me of an anecdote in which a Jew complains about his difficult fate, that he has something wrong, and another ... And he complains to Jehovah that even in the lottery he never let him win! And then Jehovah, amazed at such impudence, declares - Have you, brute, at least once bought a lottery ticket?

      So here too - who is a doctor to whom, if the Armenians themselves have not decided on Nagorno-Karabakh, not recognizing it in any way!

      What should Russia do in this case?
    4. saigon
      saigon 30 November 2020 12: 42
      0
      I completely agree with the defeat of Armenia, there is no victory for Azerbaijan, not all lands have been reclaimed, and no one can say what will happen in the future.
      Both sides are not satisfied with Azerbaijan, while the wind of victory invigorates the minds rather complacently, but Armenia is a question of revenge and no other thoughts.
      An example of Germany and France at the beginning and middle of the last century.
      Also, the territories that both countries considered and still consider theirs.
  5. Gunther
    Gunther 30 November 2020 10: 58
    +5
    .... citing as arguments the opinions of some fictional Armenians, or nationalists - Russophobes.

    to continue to hiss in blogs about the "betrayal of Russia" is a hefty disgusting act on the part of the Armenians, in my opinion.
    However, given how the brothers rescued by the Russians from extermination show "gratitude", you should not be surprised, it is worth moving with the "brothers" to business relations - in the evening money, chairs in the morning, we owe nothing to anyone.
  6. Reviews
    Reviews 30 November 2020 10: 59
    +4
    Russian authorities may try to integrate the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies into a single military-political space

    What is it like??? No, well, purely theoretically, it is possible to imagine a hybrid of our army with the Armenian or Azerbaijani separately, but so that all three together? Rave.
  7. iouris
    iouris 30 November 2020 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: "... In fact, someone, but not the Armenian people, in this case, to talk about the betrayal by Russia ..." End of the quote.
    I am sure that the Armenian (and Azerbaijani too) people are not up to reading materials on "VO" and other "world media". What he thinks to himself is a question. The decisions are taken by Prime Minister Pashinyan, who objectively pursues a policy aimed at finally ousting the Russian Federation from the region. Not quite worked out yet. But the big game continues.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 30 November 2020 11: 09
      +2
      The decisions are taken by Prime Minister Pashinyan, who objectively pursues a policy aimed at finally ousting the Russian Federation from the region.

      So it drives out, so drives out that Russia introduced peacekeepers, fearing displacement. )
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 November 2020 11: 06
    +2
    The key city in Karabakh is Shusha.
    He controls both the capital and the main highway.
    If the Azerbaijani army places its headquarters and military in Shusha
    the base, plus the observation post of the Turkish army - one whose control in Karabakh is clear.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 30 November 2020 11: 35
      -13%
      Karabakh is behind Armenians and Russian peacekeepers. A piece for the Azeri.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 24
        0
        In 5 years there will be no Armenians or peacekeepers.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 30 November 2020 11: 11
    +2
    writes that the beneficiaries in the event of conflicts in Syria, Libya, and the Transcaucasus are Russia and Turkey, which will have to collect trophies,
    The phrase is smart. I dare to add - we are talking about the territory of the former Ottoman Empire or about the zones of historical collision of it and our interests. So the current dual influence will inevitably lead to finding out who is in charge. This is historically conditioned and by geopolitical standards will happen rather quickly. So in the medium term, the "self-withdrawn" and "loser" West may become the beneficiary of such a situation.
    1. saigon
      saigon 30 November 2020 12: 48
      +2
      There is also Iran and also its historically former territories.
      So there is still a threefold confrontation and it is not right to forget about the peoples of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 November 2020 11: 12
    -2
    Once they are praised, it means that somewhere we stepped on the Faberge! We must keep our ears open, they will stir up something!
  11. Avior
    Avior 30 November 2020 11: 14
    +3
    The Russian authorities may try to integrate the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies into a single military-political space in post-Soviet Eurasia.

    In my opinion, it is unrealistic.
    and against whom will the joint Russian-Armenian-Azerbaijani army be directed?
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 30 November 2020 11: 18
    0
    In many respects, the West is also to blame for this situation, which not only did not help Armenia, but also refused to do anything at all to end the bloody war. It turned out that even the anti-Russian Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan should not have counted on help from the Western powers. The United States generally distanced itself from the problem, and France limited itself to demagogic statements that did not carry any real action.

    Gold words !
    It is worth learning by heart some of the heads of state of the Baltic states, Georgia and other "weak-minded" leaders of the countries of former friends. The example of Georgia passed unnoticed, once again reminded ....................
  13. north 2
    north 2 30 November 2020 11: 24
    -1
    from the first days of the opening of the Russian base in NK I wrote that this is the base of Russia and Azerbaijan for a long time. It was not in vain that Putin pulled Aliyev out of Erdogan so that Azerbaijan would not become a vassal of Turkey, if Aliyev went to NK to the end And for such rescues they pay by the territory ... So Russia received
    territory for its military base in Azerbaijan for many long decades. But even more oooh how the West stinks because of this. Even in Turkey, the stench will be short-lived about this, but the United States will oooh how long it will smell about this ..
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 28
      0
      Yes, the United States does not care about Karabakh, they have already openly demonstrated this. And Aliyev deeply lay under Erdogan, this is also understandable. The key junction here is the Nachichivan-Baku road (in fact, Istanbul-Baku). Russian soldiers will protect Turkish interests with their lives. What a disgrace!
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 November 2020 11: 34
    0
    also inspires bitter feelings: Russia's political influence in the region will noticeably increase
    Who about what, and lousy about the bath.
  15. Abdula
    Abdula 30 November 2020 11: 50
    -6
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Russia's victory, the West's defeat: world media on the Russian military in Karabakh

    Surprising conclusions: Russia and the West fought in Karabakh? belay
    yes, let the kremlebots sprinkle boiling water of some victories, and so no, so you need to subscribe to a freebie, it got to the point that any launch test a rocket
    On all TV channels and newspapers like Korea straight, not one Russian flag in Karabakh, but only Turkish and Azerbaijani ,,, winners
    1. Kart
      Kart 30 November 2020 12: 13
      -1
      Scatter back to your Sumerian village.
      This is a Russian site.
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 November 2020 12: 39
    0
    In many respects, the West is also to blame for this situation, which not only did not help Armenia, but also refused to do anything at all to end the bloody war.

    What "THEY" are great fellows (the devil knows who, but "WEST") that they did not get into this Karabakh swamp, into the long-standing conflict of unrecognized separatists.
    I can only imagine what kind of hubbub there would be on VO!
    What a good both pro-Armenian and pro-Azerbaijani guardians would raise!
    As if the sofa-patriots tore their vests on their chests and, foaming at the mouth, would beat themselves with their heels in the chest, swinging their virtual fists in curses to the side, again, the devil knows who, but "WEST".
    How blessed they would be here, they say, why the hell is the "WEST" out of their business and what right does it have to impudently tell sovereign states what to do or not to do!
    And so, Russia did the only right thing in the current situation: Vladimir Vladimirovich squeezed the Armenian eggs with one hand, the Azerbaijani ones with the other, and kicked the Turkish eggs with his foot, repelling the desire to further climb into Karabakh.
    No "WEST" could handle such delicate work. hi
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 32
      0
      Oh-ho-ho ... Don't you think that it was Russia that gave its testicles into the clutches of enemies? The Armenians do not show that they are somehow grateful to Russia, the Azerbaijanis - all the more it is not noticeable that we are holding them for something, the Turks are gathering their soldiers in Karabakh. What is our benefit?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 December 2020 21: 36
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Oh-ho-ho ... Don't you think that it was Russia that gave its testicles into the clutches of enemies? The Armenians do not show that they are somehow grateful to Russia, the Azerbaijanis - all the more it is not noticeable that we are holding them for something, the Turks are gathering their soldiers in Karabakh. What is our benefit?

        Sorry, but I am an Israeli Jew and by definition I am obliged to seek profit. And you should be broad-minded and complete unmercenary. You are supposed to do good deeds without expecting gratitude, and even if you are cheated in a form, endure stoically, for later you will receive reward.lol
        Well, but seriously, no one will openly express any gratitude from any side, indeed. But both sides will now sit quietly. There is no reason for them to puff up and get on the rampage. The Turks terribly wanted to participate, but they were not given the full amount - so they will be comforted. The benefit will be in authority. No matter what the "WEST" bleated, the situation was defused. They still do not understand their happiness there. There could be a REAL mess. It is extremely difficult to extinguish old national-territorial conflicts, I will tell you this, as someone who feels this matter in my own skin. Peacekeepers will be the worst there. They will find themselves between a rock and a hard place. We wish them success, patience and endurance, because provocations, malicious and simply out of stupidity, I do not exclude. hi
  17. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 30 November 2020 13: 10
    -2
    "The German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung views the presence of Russian troops in Karabakh as a clear victory for Putin and writes that now decisions on the fate of Karabakh will, apparently, be taken exclusively by Moscow."
    The newspaper is very influential ... yes
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 1 December 2020 19: 32
      0
      The Germans praise us ... We made a blunder, not otherwise.
  18. cniza
    cniza 30 November 2020 13: 21
    +3
    That is, now, from the point of view of international law, Russian troops are present in Armenia, at the base in Gyumri, and in Azerbaijan, on the line of demarcation of the parties to the conflict in Karabakh.


    Yes, and the West, with its inaction and arrogance, helped this, we need to cover the south harder ...
  19. ccsr
    ccsr 30 November 2020 13: 30
    +2
    The Russian authorities may try to integrate the Armenian and Azerbaijani armies into a single military-political space in post-Soviet Eurasia.

    Whoever assumes this has not the slightest idea how unrealistic this is, and how embittered these two peoples are. So they will never enter a single military space in the foreseeable future, and not because Turkey will not allow them to do this, but because their ethnic contradictions will not allow them to be together even at meetings - as was the case with the severed head of one officer in the Czech Republic ...
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 November 2020 14: 29
    +1
    In my opinion, everything is simpler - if in the near future the Armenians themselves do not catch Pashinyan and impale him in the capital of Armenia, the future of the Armenians will become very deplorable. 
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 November 2020 14: 33
    +2
    The Armenians have one problem, in principle, like the former republics of the USSR, an attempt to sit on two chairs at once.

    And the pants could not stand it, they just burst.  laughing
  22. Smteh
    Smteh 30 November 2020 20: 59
    0
    Normal people have nothing to share. I do not believe that an ordinary German or an ordinary Russian person has any geopolitical interests. We have one value - human life and one nationality - a person. Normal people don't need to build crocodile ditches at the borders. Normal people should unite. I, as a normal person, need a Creative Society. A society where normal people do not fight for their geopolitical interests is a bunch of non-people. A society where man to man is not an evil dog, but at least a friend. A wonderful initiative to build a Creative Society is proposed by the ALLATRA International Public Movement.
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 1 December 2020 08: 57
      0
      Quote: Smteh
      Normal people have nothing to share. I do not believe that an ordinary German or an ordinary Russian person has any geopolitical interests ...

      what
      You know, those very "ordinary" people, over time, of course, just became "Germans" and "Russians" because they had "geo .. (over time, any) .." interests.
      So "believe" is "not a method" here. request
      Although yes, everything depends on the goals ... recourse
    2. tech3030
      tech3030 1 December 2020 13: 59
      0
      This is certainly good, but people have not yet developed before.
  23. Zhan
    Zhan 1 December 2020 21: 08
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    Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
    "I'm wondering how the West will get out of this stalemate now?" - and what, the West somehow got involved in this situation to get out of it? We must pay tribute to the Western strategists - they cleverly shifted all responsibility and financial costs to Russia. It is Russia who now somehow needs to get out of the ridiculous situation, when we have pledged to protect something that used to be Artsakh, and in 5 years will become simply Azerbaijan, and the status of this territory has not been determined in any way. Protect at our expense, getting shots in the back from both sides.

    hi
    Do you have a panacea for this problem? Then, criticizing the current situation, suggest it for discussion, and everyone knows how to shake the air. smile