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The US press spoke about Ukrainian lobbyists helping Washington to prepare sanctions against the SP-2 gas pipeline

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It became known about Ukrainian lobbyists helping Washington prepare sanctions against the SP-2 gas pipeline. We are talking about Vadim Glamazdin and Alexander Kharchenko, who have been in Washington for at least the last four years and, among other things, are helping the United States in its attempts to stop the Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.


This is reported by the American newspaper The Wall Street Journal. The US press said that lobbyists from Ukraine are taking part in the development of sanctions against Nord Stream 2.

According to WSJ, Vadim Glamazdin represents Naftogaz and is responsible for relations with government agencies. Oleksandr Kharchenko is an employee of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine. They are also assisted in their work by the American lobbyist Daniel Vadich.

These two Ukrainian citizens and one American interacted with some senators, including Ted Cruise. The publication claims that Vadic is an advisor to Cruz. Previously, he helped restrict Rosneft's access to modern technologies with the help of a "well-designed package of anti-Russian sanctions." The same method was used against Nord Stream 2.

The publication writes that in 2018 it was Glamazdin and Kharchenko who drew attention to the fact that Russia does not have its own vessels capable of laying large-diameter pipes under water. Then they advised to subject to sanctions for participation in the construction of the Russian gas pipeline foreign companies that own such pipelayers. This was the reason for the withdrawal of its vessels by the Swiss company AllSeas, which took part in the implementation of the project. Because of this, the work had to be suspended.

Then Russia decided to transfer from the Far East and re-equip the ship "Akademik Chersky". The US response step, in the preparation of which Ukrainian specialists also participated, is the imposition of sanctions against companies providing insurance and certification services to Russian courts.

The Nord Stream 2 project involves laying a gas pipeline directly from Russia to Germany along the bottom of the Baltic Sea. 93 percent of the work has already been completed. According to Nord Stream 2, the resumption of construction is scheduled for December this year.
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  1. vkl.47
    vkl.47 30 November 2020 09: 19
    +15
    And we are free of charge for these stingrays.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 30 November 2020 09: 45
      +29
      Meanwhile, Russia continues to actively supply to Ukraine:
      - gas
      - oil
      - diesel and fuel oil (what they fill their tanks with)
      - coal
      - electricity
      - ukrostroystvo lie on our shelves

      Instead of completely closing the border, prohibiting entry for citizens
      (excluding LDNR).

      A complete ban on the transit of goods coming out through our territory.

      Declaration of the Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine as terrorist organizations.
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 30 November 2020 09: 54
        +8
        Again, we will express our concern, or just keep silent ...
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 30 November 2020 13: 14
          0
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          Again, we will express our concern, or just keep silent ...

          We will sharpen the ice ax, and we will do plastic surgery for Basharov and Petrov ...
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 30 November 2020 15: 46
          +1
          anxiously keep silent.
        4. mark2
          mark2 30 November 2020 19: 30
          -7
          Again, we will express our concern, or just keep silent ...


          Sure. This is what they do on this site. Care and grumble
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 30 November 2020 13: 19
        +1
        Meanwhile, Russia continues to actively supply to Ukraine:


        You can also look at things differently ..
        Meanwhile, Ukraine continues to actively buy from us: (and then the same list)

        As far as I understand, the seller always wants to sell his product ..
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 30 November 2020 20: 00
        0
        Don't forget Yanukovych's three-ruble note sad ". In principle," three rubles of Yanukovych sad "can be collected from money transfers migrant workers in Russia - as from ordinary "communal debtors" up to 25% of salary good
    2. stalki
      stalki 30 November 2020 09: 54
      -5
      And we give these stingrays a vaccine for free
      Well, not all cattle are there. These yes, for fertilization.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 30 November 2020 10: 01
        +13
        You know, it's lousy to read the expressions of our sun-faced, when everyone is wiping their feet about us, who repeats like a mantra that: "The Georgian people are not to blame, the Ukrainian people are not to blame" forgotten safely.

        Shame and shame of such an ostrich politics !!
        1. frruc
          frruc 30 November 2020 10: 45
          +6
          I look forward to hearing from the State Duma and a decision to stop transit (all) through the territory of Ukraine. How it happened suddenly with Latvia. Let them make money on sex tourism, they are good at it.
          fellow
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 30 November 2020 10: 54
            +7
            You will not wait. Our oligarchs with Akhmetki, Firtashes, Parasha and other figures are running Vasya-Vasya.
        2. stalki
          stalki 30 November 2020 11: 06
          -3
          You know, it's lousy to read the expressions of our sun-faced, when everyone is wiping their feet about us, who repeats like a mantra that: "The Georgian people are not to blame, the Ukrainian people are not to blame" forgotten safely.

          Shame and shame of such an ostrich politics !!
          If you are so "fair", go to politics and steer there. It's good to criticize sitting on the couch. Do you know everything? Are you deciding something for the country as a whole? Are you ready to control the fate of people? They all knock on the chest with their fists exactly until they have to take responsibility. And then they deflate like balls.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 30 November 2020 11: 43
            +7
            Do you know everything? Are you deciding something for the country as a whole? Are you ready to control the fate of people? They all knock on the chest with their fists exactly until they have to take responsibility. And then they deflate like balls.


            Oo, of course, another multi-move.
            And we can only salute and wait for further instructions from the Party and the Leader.
            Because of this shameful "Minsk mnogokhodovochka", in the Donbass under shelling every day people, children and children are killed. The majority, by the way, are our citizens.
            1. stalki
              stalki 30 November 2020 12: 58
              0
              I repeat to you once again, if you know what to do, go ahead. If I like it I will support you.
              1. frruc
                frruc 30 November 2020 14: 56
                +3
                On this issue, emotions (and hurray-patriotism) aside, you need to do what is beneficial for the country and its people.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 30 November 2020 15: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: frruc
                  it is necessary to do what is beneficial for the country and its people.

                  I believe that it is very beneficial for the country and the people that such creatures stop absorbing oxygen and burden the planet Earth with their presence. It's time to stop delivering snot on the cheeks, it's time to act in the best traditions of pinpoint impact on the object of "adoration".
                  Business, health, accounts, property and other delights have obviously already begun to "reap" them.
                  (In war as in war! (C))
                  IMHO.
              2. Megatron
                Megatron 30 November 2020 15: 42
                -2
                Yeah, into politics, a step to the left, a step to the right - prison. Furgal. Platoshkin.
              3. Looking for
                Looking for 30 November 2020 15: 49
                -1
                do not write nonsense. you understand perfectly well. that "entry" into politics is worth billions.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2020 10: 52
      -2
      Quote: vkl.47
      And we are free of charge for these stingrays.

      For 1000 bucks an ampoule, of course free, let them go through the market and look for cheaper.
      1. Avior
        Avior 30 November 2020 13: 19
        +1
        In fact, Ukraine basically refused to buy the Russian vaccine ...
    4. Looking for
      Looking for 30 November 2020 15: 44
      0
      so in fact "brothers"
  2. Civil
    Civil 30 November 2020 09: 19
    +1
    Yes, take money for lobbying, do nothing. Don't give money away. Profit. lol
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 30 November 2020 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      Yes, take money for lobbying

      Now we can assume why the IMF does not give a loan, there is no money to lobby for a loan, all are "mastered" to fight the joint venture
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 30 November 2020 19: 12
      0
      As far as I know, the very concept of "lobbying", by definition, provides for the process of transferring money to an influential politician, or political circles, in exchange for their assistance in your interests. As far as I know, Ukraine has no money (the oligarchs will strangle themselves), and the US State Department and the US Congress, quite in their own interests, are doing everything to screw up Russia. The peculiarity of Ukrainian politics is that it has absolutely no influence on international events. Ukraine, an object of politics, but a subject.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2020 09: 20
    +10
    Well, I don’t want to hear anything else about SP-2, except that it was put into operation ...
  4. svp67
    svp67 30 November 2020 09: 23
    +11
    We must know by sight these "heroes"
    Vadim Glamazdin, advisor to the chairman of the board of Naftogaz of Ukraine, aggressively lobbies for the interests of DTEK (owner - Rinat Akhmetov)

    and the director of the Center for Energy Research Alexander Kharchenko, back in 2016 he was introduced to the then US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who helped him get to know Daniel Weidich, a representative of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    It was the work of Ukrainian "experts" that brought ExxonMobil out of the JV - 2 project - as a result of this, Rosneft lost a number of important technologies. Among the "works" of Glamazdin and Kharchenko are "quarrels" with the Allseas company, which worked on the laying of the gas pipeline and was forced to suspend the work.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 November 2020 09: 48
      +4
      There will always be some kind of experts. There and our "sufferers" is full.
    2. Avior
      Avior 30 November 2020 10: 01
      +9
      judging by the results of Gazprom in recent years, the entire team of advisers and lawyers from Gazprom needs to be fired, and it would be a profitable personnel acquisition to hire these two for high salaries and a percentage of the profit. smile
      1. frruc
        frruc 30 November 2020 10: 49
        +2
        As for dismissing, I agree, but as for these two ur ... no, there is nothing to do here, they will sell them with losses.
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 15: 38
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        judging by the results of Gazprom in recent years, the entire team of advisers and lawyers from Gazprom needs to be fired, and these two should be hired for high salaries and a percentage of the profit - this would be a profitable personnel acquisition

        By the way, yes.
        Consider lobbying the interests of Gazprom.
        and disperse the Germans too ... with Kurt Schroeder
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2020 10: 53
      0
      Quote: svp67
      We must know by sight these "heroes"

      FERRES!
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 30 November 2020 10: 56
        +2
        Ferrets, by the way, are very cute animals. How did they displease you? hi
        1. Horon
          Horon 30 November 2020 11: 28
          +3
          Until you have chickens, they will be cute. But when the chickens appear, these "cute animals" will quickly clean them up to zero just for fun.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 30 November 2020 11: 45
            +1
            I don't keep chickens, but my friends have a ferret .... affectionate and doesn't stink .... unlike the Sumerians. laughing
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2020 11: 29
          0
          Quote: Megatron
          Ferrets, by the way, are very cute animals.

          The animals are cute, but they smell unpleasant, and the Sumerian ferrets smell, and on top of that they are constantly nasty.
    4. Pereira
      Pereira 30 November 2020 12: 02
      +4
      Truly heroes. Practically the two of us made Gazprom with all its strategists, analysts and lawyers.
      The entire Ukrainian army is unable to inflict such damage on Russia as these two.
  5. cniza
    cniza 30 November 2020 09: 30
    +4
    The US press spoke about Ukrainian lobbyists helping Washington to prepare sanctions against the SP-2 gas pipeline


    Naturally help ...
  6. dgonni
    dgonni 30 November 2020 09: 42
    -5
    That bish is not a dog twirling its tail and the tail of a dog? If so, respect to Ukraine and the mattresses are dull and suggestible amateurs!
    Or is everything completely wrong, and against the background of the failed SP-2, you need to throw the blame on who else but your loved ones?
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 30 November 2020 09: 46
      +4
      the institution of lobbying in the United States is strictly regulated with strict rules and controls, or anything shocking in general.
  7. Airdefense
    Airdefense 30 November 2020 09: 45
    +4
    Yes, in general, it is an ordinary routine policy, what is there to be surprised at, everyone is fighting for their interests.
  8. Pavel73
    Pavel73 30 November 2020 09: 49
    +12
    There is nothing worse and more disgusting than the Russian people who betrayed Russia.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 30 November 2020 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: Pavel73
      There is nothing worse and more disgusting than the Russian people who betrayed Russia.

      This is your opinion. Think with stamps. Since the 90s, people have been reformatted, the result has been achieved. What was the USSR built on? On the idea of ​​communism and the construction of a social state, where the owner is a man of labor, where public ownership of mineral resources, land, etc.
      Now there is no idea, every man for himself, what idea can Russia offer? - Russian oligarchism? Destruction of the welfare state?
      So in Ukraine this is its bulk. And why should they change an awl for soap? Who buried "Russian Spring"? - Ukraine?
      Having lost their head through their hair, they don't cry. It is necessary to perceive reality as it is. The world has become different and it is just stupid not to notice it
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 30 November 2020 18: 14
        -1
        Who buried "Russian Spring"? Ukraine, of course! The fascist government of Ukraine simply took the entire population hostage and staged an ostentatious punitive operation in the Donbas. That is, "if you rock the boat, you will be the same as with Donbass." Ordinary terror.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 30 November 2020 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      There is nothing worse and more disgusting than the Russian people who betrayed Russia.

      They betray only their own. In Russia, they used to say - "a heretic is worse than a Gentile."
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 15: 55
      -1
      Quote: Pavel73
      There is nothing worse and more disgusting than the Russian people who betrayed Russia.

      here we are ...
      Russia is Gazprom ...
      Of course, in the capitalist world, the interests of the state are the interests of its largest corporations.
      But then what does Russia have to do with it ... it had no corporations. lol (although, of course, the Vikings can be considered as foreign investors)
      In general, traitors to Russian capitalists who betrayed the interests of Ukrainian capitalists and competitors of American capitalists.
      Excuse me in the varieties of capitalists and their traitors .. wink
  9. Fungus
    Fungus 30 November 2020 09: 51
    +3
    With the launch of JV 2, Ukraine will lose $ 3 billion annually to the budget. So they are fussing.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 30 November 2020 09: 52
      +6
      Ukraine would not have lost anything if it had not plunged into Russophobia and became an openly hostile state to Russia. Even before both "Maidans".
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 30 November 2020 09: 58
        -2
        Quote: Pavel73
        if it hadn't fallen into Russophobia and become an openly hostile state to Russia.

        And why didn't they interfere? Where was the "soft power", "support of compatriots"?
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 15: 58
          -1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Where was the "soft power", "support of compatriots"?

          it's work. Even Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria can perform it ...
          The Russian Federation did not even have such a thought.
          And the support of compatriots was ... just "compatriots" from the same clan. laughing
      2. Avior
        Avior 30 November 2020 10: 03
        -4
        I must honestly say that it was a mistake to support Yanukovych, clearly the wrong person.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 30 November 2020 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      With the launch of JV 2, Ukraine will lose $ 3 billion annually to the budget. So they are fussing.

      SP-2 .... Here and without it ... They wrote that Naftogaz passed the audit - a shortage of 75 billion hryvnias (about $ 2,6 billion). ...
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 16: 03
        -1
        Quote: BrTurin
        They wrote that Naftogaz passed the audit - a shortage of UAH 75 billion (about $ 2,6 billion). ...

        in fact, it is so cleverly written there. And the results immediately got into the pre-trial case.
        "In general, the audit of Naftogaz identified financial violations and revealed facts of ineffective management actions or risky operations that led or may lead to losses of financial and material resources in the amount of UAH 176 billion, including financial violations that led to losses of 75,5, XNUMX billion hryvnia, "- said the head of the government Gennady Plis.
        Although the company itself easily explains these numbers.

        in general, they led, they can lead .. let the court decide what is happening there.
        It is not clear from the press what they attribute to losses and shortages. The state and the company consider its assets and activities differently.
  10. Avior
    Avior 30 November 2020 09: 55
    0
    According to Nord Stream 2, the resumption of construction is scheduled for December this year.

    The other day Academician Chersky left Mukran for Kaliningrad.
    1. major147
      major147 30 November 2020 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      According to Nord Stream 2, the resumption of construction is scheduled for December this year.

      The other day Academician Chersky left Mukran for Kaliningrad.

      From sources close to JV2: "In connection with the withdrawal from the project, the Norwegian certification company DNV GL hired another company. Now, with the new regulator, it is required to re-conduct the entire complex of practical testing. This is what Akademik Chersky will do next week on the measuring line. in the territorial waters of Russia near the Curonian Spit We have an agreement with the new consulting company to issue an official certificate right on board the pipelayer, immediately after the completion of the necessary tests.
      In the meantime, it was decided not to wait for the certified "Chersky" and start laying with "Fortune". Why the barge will be towed to the start of work by December 2. "
      Something like this. In the near future we will see how much you can trust the source.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 30 November 2020 10: 06
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      The other day Academician Chersky left Mukran for Kaliningrad.

      But Fortune changed its owner and was in Germany
      The pipe-laying barge "Fortuna", which was expected to be a completion builder of the Baltic gas pipeline, but the owners refused, changed its owner. Such information is contained in the extract from the registration of the vessel in the Russian International Register of Ships. Since October 6, the owner of Fortuna is the Russian LLC Universal Transport Group.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/11/27/fortuna-snova-ulybnetsya-severnomu-potoku-2

      All these ships have been back and forth so many times ... when they start then we'll see ...
  11. comradChe
    comradChe 30 November 2020 10: 12
    +4
    We must honestly admit that the lobbyists of the outskirts are in the Kremlin and the White House. Moreover, “personal” is closely intertwined with “business”.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 16: 05
      -1
      Quote: comradChe
      that the lobbyists of the outskirts are in the Kremlin and the White House. Moreover, “personal” is closely intertwined with “business”.

      you don't have to be a "lobbyist for Ukraine or Nauru" ... anywhere.
      You can lobby for what is beneficial.
      This is exactly what the Kremlin is lobbying for. If it is profitable, then it doesn't matter where to sell.
  12. Free wind
    Free wind 30 November 2020 10: 13
    -3
    How could 2 Ukrainians freeze these streams? Either they are very smart, or woodpeckers in the gas industry, especially Europe does not need gas, Europe is gradually switching to green energy, and Australia is actively supplying liquefied gas.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 November 2020 12: 04
      +5
      Either they are very smart, or there are woodpeckers in Gazprom

      Or at the same time.
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 November 2020 10: 18
    0
    On the outskirts, such "advisers" are almost 90 percent of the population. True, after entering Russia, they begin to sing something completely different in order to find a job ...
  14. iouris
    iouris 30 November 2020 10: 28
    0
    "Ukrainian lobbyists" - amused. These are not sanctions, but war. In order not to lose the war, one must at least appear at it.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 November 2020 10: 30
    +2
    These two citizens of Ukraine and one American
    If the whole trouble was solely in these three, then it would be tolerable and even solvable. But when at the level of the President of the United States an assertion is made that "SP-2" can harm American national security, then these three are automatically pushed into the background. Of course, it's unpleasant when two Ukrainian representatives go out of their way to harm Russia, but that's why they are representatives of this country, so that we crap. It remains to wait until "Naftogaz" is completely covered with a copper basin.
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 November 2020 10: 36
      -1
      It remains to wait until "Naftogaz" is completely covered with a copper basin.

      Naftogaz is no longer related to gas transit.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 30 November 2020 16: 08
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Naftogaz is no longer related to gas transit.

        right
        The bilateral package agreement stipulates that in order to continue transit, the Russian energy company Gazprom will conclude an inter-operator agreement with GTS Operator of Ukraine LLC, and an agreement with the state-owned company Naftogaz of Ukraine to book transportation facilities.
        "Operator of GTS of Ukraine" is who provides transit.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 30 November 2020 11: 25
    -1
    Chubaty completely lost the coast, and for a long time ...
  17. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 30 November 2020 11: 55
    0
    Under the Union, these scoundrels would simply be physically destroyed, we are always pulled with this.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 30 November 2020 12: 10
    0
    Well, we cannot refuse to sell gas to Ukraine, we cannot! Why shouldn't they refuse to export their goods to Russia? All your actions should always be based on parity, you lobby for gas sanctions, we close our market for example for your food
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 November 2020 12: 53
      0
      Ukraine has refused purchases and has not been buying gas from Russia for a long time, several years, since 2015, in my opinion.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 30 November 2020 13: 11
        0
        Well, yes, they buy gas in Madagascar!
        1. Avior
          Avior 30 November 2020 13: 17
          +1
          does not buy from Russia for sure, even if it is Russian physically.
          but with this
          Well, we cannot refuse to sell gas to Ukraine, we cannot!

          you are completely correct.
          you cannot give up what is not.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 30 November 2020 13: 21
            0
            Quote: Avior
            does not buy from Russia for sure, even if it is Russian physically.
            but with this

            What the hell are you talking about!
            Show where on the map the pipes go from the EU to Ukraine with gas and when were the gas pipelines built? I know only two pipes and those volumes of transportation to the Lviv region are not enough
            They take gas from the export gas pipeline, they only carry papers about re-export, a long-established scheme !!!
            1. Avior
              Avior 30 November 2020 13: 32
              +1
              And no matter what paper they carry, Ukraine does not pay money for gas to Gazprom, which means that there is no gas sale to Ukraine and there is nothing to refuse.
              Gazprom pays Ukraine for transit and fines, but this is not a sale of gas.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 30 November 2020 14: 04
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                no matter what paper they carry, Ukraine does not pay money for gas to Gazprom,

                Gas is taken from the export pipe at the limit of the same Hungary (for example) and money is transferred to them. What does this not add up? Formally, it is Hungarian, but naturally we supply gas to Ukraine, not Hungarians, not Slovaks or Poles, there are no gas pipelines to Ukraine cleanly technically there is no way to supply gas! And according to the documents, they buy it in Zanzabar, as well as coal from Donbass, through the USA !!
                1. Avior
                  Avior 30 November 2020 16: 50
                  +1
                  According to the documents and in fact, they buy it in Hungary, but what they actually take from the pipe directly, so they take money for transit from Gazprom, but in fact there is no transit, so the price is actually lower for Ukraine
                  And since Ukraine buys in Hungary, Gazprom cannot refuse to sell to Ukraine, no one asks him.
                  hi
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 30 November 2020 16: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: Avior
                    And since Ukraine buys in Hungary, Gazprom cannot refuse to sell to Ukraine, no one asks him.

                    That's why they are so opposed to SP-2. As soon as they stop supplying to the EU through a pipe, through Ukraine, everything will be covered, the money itself is the gas first of all.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 30 November 2020 17: 35
                      +2
                      All gas pumping stations can operate in reverse mode, when they worked like this ten years ago, when the next gas war was, this is their operating mode.
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 1 December 2020 09: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        All gas pumping stations can operate in reverse mode, when they worked like this ten years ago, when the next gas war was, this is their operating mode.

                        Class! Ukraine produces about 20 billion cubic meters a year, and consumes about 30. And they will be able to buy these 10 cubic meters from Europe, do I understand correctly?
                        And you still need to buy 10 billion cubic meters, in order to pump it all in the opposite direction.
                        Carrying toilet paper with BELAZ is a very profitable enterprise!
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 1 December 2020 10: 07
                        +1
                        Yes, they can buy. Actually, they still buy it in Europe.
                        Pumping does not require such costs. Gas must be distributed in any case.
    2. Guru
      Guru 30 November 2020 13: 14
      +1
      Avior (Sergey)
      Ukraine refused to purchase and does not buy gas from Russia
      Yes, I do not want to laughing And what do they drown with? Here is a question, and where does the gas come from in Dill. By pipe from Russia, but no, Russia disappears, probably liquefied from America, or liquefied from Qatar. So they still need to be liquefied. And where is this hub located? Do not remember Norwegian, there is not much of it left and no one is going to sell it to Ukraine. Well, justify the GENERAL -chay gas in Ukraine. Don't even stutter about the reverse, the children probably already understand that this is nonsense, the reverse is on the papers, but in fact everything is as it was.
      1. Avior
        Avior 30 November 2020 13: 24
        0
        gas of the one who sells it, of course, whoever it was physically from the beginning.
        Gazprom has not sold gas to Ukraine for five years.
        but on the site in the discussions periodically there are those who want to give up sales, which have not been for five years ...
        1. Guru
          Guru 30 November 2020 13: 45
          +2
          but on the site in the discussions periodically there are those who want to give up sales, which have not been for five years ...

          Here I agree with you, while the second Nord is unfinished. It will be difficult to dictate the conditions.
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 November 2020 13: 48
            0
            And for another four years after that, under the Gazprom contract, Ukraine will have to pay for gas transit, even if it was not actually pumped. The contract is for five years, the first year has passed.
            this is if SP2 is now completed.