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"Wonderful School Years": English in a Soviet Special School

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In the USSR, there was education for everyone, but there were also special schools where some disciplines were studied in depth. Most of all there were schools with the study of a foreign language, although they were, in general, a rarity ...


A scarlet tie blossomed on my chest.
Youth is raging like spring water.
Soon we will join the Komsomol -
So the school years go on.
(Evgeny Dolmatovsky. School years)


I thought for a long time what kind of "pictures" to illustrate this material, so that everyone would be interested and at least a little instructive. Decided that it would be best to use illustrations from textbooks on stories for grades 5 and 6, because they, perhaps, even better than the text, tell about the level at which the teaching of these subjects was carried out, and whether it was the way it needed to be. For example, here's a great illustration of The Ishtar Gate in Babylon. " But ... nowhere in the textbook did it say that they were found, restored and are in a museum in the center of Berlin on a museum island. Or then, in the 60s, they were still not restored? Well, this is quite possible and even needed to be said ...

Memories of the past. In the last material about the school years in primary school in 1962-1966. I forgot to write about the most important and very funny "puncture" of my "first teacher", which took place on May 1, 1966. She had said a month earlier that our fourth grade had been honored by our first May Day demonstration. And the class will be decorated with ... flags of different countries of the world! She brought a volume of the encyclopedia with flags and told them to choose. Anyone other than the flag of the USA and Germany - "they are our enemies." There was a smart girl who immediately chose the flag of Japan, but I didn't choose it and went home to ask my grandmother what kind of fabric we have. And I found out - a lot of white, black ribbons, a little blue and red. Well, what country's flag can be built from this? South Korea, what else! We made poles for us, we fixed flags on them and ... went to demonstrate across the square under the slogans and calls: "Workers of all countries - unite", "Freedom to prisoners of capital!" and the song - "Comrades in prisons, in cold dungeons, we are with you, we are with you, even if you are not in the columns!" Gone ... and then a "responsible comrade" approaches our teacher and begins to reprimand her, as she admitted, that "this boy is walking with the flag of South Korea, and this girl is of Japan," and she is a "satellite of the USA!" I remember that I was scared then to stutter, but the word "satellite" seemed especially scary to me. That is, our… elementary ignorance has failed. Although yes, she taught us to read and write, solve problems and sew buttons! In four years! By the way, later this flag was very useful to me personally. We used it on Zarnitsa as the flag of the “opposing side”. That is, everything that you did with your hands will never be wasted. Of course, if you have a head on your shoulders, and not a head of cabbage!


Pericles (on the right on the stairs below the speaker) retires after speaking at the People's Assembly of Athens. Everything seems to be as it should, but ... in the same picture in the textbooks of the 50s, he has a Corinthian helmet on his head. Moreover, it was known that he really suits him, and that is why he wore it. It is unclear why it was removed in later revisions. After all, this is an established historical fact!

New teachers, more freedom, worse academic performance ...


In the fifth grade, we had different teachers. There was more freedom, and the "Rusichka" became the class teacher. She came to the class, lifted us all up and scolded us for about 15 minutes for poor performance and behavior. Well, for the rest of the time, there was a lesson in the Russian language or literature. And in the end I slipped into triples in most subjects. Besides history ... Here I had only A's and holy love and affection from the woman who taught her. As a test - I'll be the first to answer! I drew battle plans with ink, drew pyramids and temples in section ... In a word, "I will be a historian" - it firmly stuck in my head just then!


The uprising of the "yellow bands". Somehow I could never comprehend the deep meaning of this picture. And I'm not alone. And if so, then ... why insert it into the textbook?

In the sixth grade, we had our first special subject - continental geography in English, and I had only A's in it, while in English there were solid Cs, which was very amazed by the teacher who taught her. "After all, you can, but ... you don't want to!" And I really did not understand why I needed this English language, because I was not going to be a translator!


And here - oh-oh-oh, not armor, but a solid fantasy, although the drawing itself is very good. A typical mixed mix, supplemented by “fictions”. It's just that its author, who lived in the USSR, has never been either in Dresden or in Vienna, and, most likely, in the Knight's Hall of the Hermitage

Here, however, my mother intervened in my attitude to study in the most serious way. “If you are a C grade student, you will go to the factory and become a worker. She told me. - If you are a worker, you will go to wash your first pay. You get drunk, you come home dirty and dirty (and the fact that workers come home on Saturdays just like that, I have seen more than once, because I lived on Proletarskaya Street!), And I will tear you from my heart and drive you out of the house! " Soviet education gave me the strength to protest: "And we are all equal!" - I told her this, but where could I argue with the lecturer of the RK KPSS. “On paper and in words - yes, but in deeds ... Look how your comrades live, and how you live. What do I wear to work, and what do their mothers and fathers wear? "


A city holiday on the square near the town hall, and in general everything is as it should be!

And since the way they live, what they eat and how they dressed was before my eyes, and the Kosygin reform had not yet begun, her words had an effect on me ... in the right way and burned into my heart like Cain's seal. And "I will tear you from my heart" seemed just awful. Knowing her character, I never doubted it for a minute. And ... he gave himself a vow to change for the better. Which turned out to be a very difficult matter.


Another non-historical "historical illustration". What kind of tournament is this, what century is it? And what is this "stick" in the knight's hand instead of a tournament spear as thick as a log, and where is the reason he controls the horse? In theory, the rarest form of a tournament with a barrier of the middle of the XNUMXth century is shown here, but something completely different should be shown - the tournament of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.

It's easy to fall, it's hard to get up!


I went through the entire seventh grade in the struggle with myself. Only our Englishwoman, who became our class teacher, noticed my efforts. But ... she did not give me the slightest indulgence. “Do you want an A in English? Earn! " Now I understand how correct and good she was as a teacher, and that this was the only way to do it with me.


Not a bad illustration, although the timing is not entirely clear. And ... the hats are not the same. If the peasants on the left are robbed by the feudal lord, then they should not be dressed like that!

In the eighth grade they added English literature to us, and ... I got more worries. I still remember well how late at night I walked along the whitewashed Dutch stove and learned by heart the text about William Shakespeare: “William Shakespeare was born in Stratford-upon-Avon in ...” Lord, what a difficult subject it was! It was necessary to know the biographies of English poets and writers, to learn by heart the poem by Robert Burns "My heart's in the Highlands, my heart is not here", to retell Kipling's "Mowgli" and to read the novel "The Citadel" by the Scottish writer Archibald Cronin in English. I had to talk about the work of H.G. Wells based on the novel "Mr. Blettsworthy on the Isle of Rempole" (who has not read, read ...), in a word, it was very difficult in all respects, although it was very useful for me.


Joan of Arc enters Orleans. Very nice drawing, isn't it? And everything seems to be on it as it should, and the horse saddle is beyond praise. And yet ... Why is Jeanne painted with her hair down? Well, this could not be, she could not not have a headdress, especially, being dressed in armor. They would pull out whole strands of her, falling into the joints between the armor! A trifle, of course, but ... the devil is just hiding in the details - it was said long ago and very correctly!

Then they added American literature, technical translation and ... oh joy! - military translation in addition to CWP. He was led by a military officer and an English teacher at the same time. It was necessary to describe in English the weapons and insignia of the British and American armies, disassemble, again commenting on this in English, the Kalashnikov assault rifle and another gift of fate - the English light machine gun Bran, and also learn to interrogate prisoners of war. "Now I will interrogate you and it is in your interests to truthfully answer all my questions ..."

All this was interesting, so, although not without difficulty, I nevertheless climbed to the top five by the tenth grade, somehow to the top four in Russian and physics, but for some reason chemistry was given to me very easily. But mathematics - well, nothing. However, the personality of the teacher, who had the nickname (and very telling!) "Pepin the Short", also played a role here. His favorite thing was ... to bully me:

- You say, Shevchenko, that you will be a historian, that you do not need mathematics! How do you go to college and pass the exam there?
- And now they don’t take historical mathematics to the teacher training school!
- How not to surrender?
- And so! Open the manual for applicants to universities, there all exams are listed in black and white!
- Well, you will be expelled from the first year. You won't pass math!
- And now there is no mathematics in history! Here is a curriculum for history with English. Well, where is the math here? Even she doesn't smell!


An absolutely awful picture. Except for the warrior (on the far right), everyone is dressed in something fancy. But the Mexican codes and images from them were already known. Who prevented you from looking and drawing everything as it should?

It is clear that such conversations did not add respect to him or to his subject from me. As for the tenth grade exam, seeing how I sit and suffer, our class teacher (holy woman!) Just took and brought a sheet of paper with solutions to all problems and examples. “Don't forget to make mistakes! She said at the same time. "And nobody will believe if you get five in algebra!" That's how I graduated from high school.

Now count how much English we had, and from the second grade: English itself, the geography of the continents in English, two years of English literature, a year of American literature, two years of technical translation and a year of military service (after which, by the way, we were given information about that we completed the course of military translation and received the specialty "military translator"). So the fact that even our C grade students knew him very well in comparison with ordinary schoolchildren is not at all surprising.


The hard work of the manufactory is shown here. But what makes it clear that it is heavy? This is not visible from the figure at all! Except that the two guys on the left are tense ...

And by the way, then I immediately understood why I was tormented with English for so many years. I started answering the college entrance exam ... and they asked me what school I graduated from. I answer ... "And it was necessary to start with this!" - they noticed to me. “We only lost time. Five - go! " So, again, from the top of my today's "afterbirth" and experience, I can say that the Unified State Exam for schools and universities in modern conditions is preferable to the old examination system, since it reduces subjectivity in the assessments of teachers and gives more chances for admission to universities for children from the countryside. This means that it increases the social mobility of our society!

Keep track of time and keep up with it all the time!


It's funny that after graduating from this very "special school", and realizing how much education in it can give a child in terms of knowledge of a foreign language, I actually arranged for my daughter to study there as well. But ... there was something "wrong" with her. Then we did not catch the "wind of change". Because she had to study there with the "quick-rich" children of all kinds of "Duneks", and therefore there was an atmosphere ... "appropriate". In elementary school, the class teacher was an outright fool, even worse than mine in Soviet times. In high school, yes, the foreign language was in all its manifestations, but the rest of the subjects were ... "so-so." But studying there demanded a lot of money and practically no real return.


But this illustration is made on the basis of a medieval miniature and therefore does not raise any questions for it. Why shouldn't the rest of the illustrations for history textbooks be made just from old miniatures?

That is why we sent our granddaughter to the most ordinary school, where the primary school teacher was ... a good teacher, judging by the reviews on the Internet. It's good that by this time, by the way, such a thing as the Internet had appeared. And ... she taught her how to write and read, and taught her well. But in technical creativity, she was "not in the teeth" and, having also learned from the Internet who the granddaughter would learn from her, agreed with me that I would lead labor lessons for her, and even a technical circle. And everyone was happy! She was relieved of what was difficult for her. I just sat in class and checked my notebooks. And I had the opportunity to do with the guys what was interesting and easy for me, and what else no one would do with them. That is, by joint efforts we have built a wonderful educational process really at the level of the XXI century. Separate classes were conducted by my daughter, who at one time was engaged in needlework, so the "lessons" were interesting for both boys and girls. My wife spent children's matinees, holidays on March 8, and also the New Year, where again my daughter was the Snow Maiden. By the way, other parents also actively helped the classroom. A parent-music worker took over all the musical design of the events, the rest helped with the repairs, were on duty at the school, on the territory, in a word, everyone "did according to their abilities." And only in high school we got tired of doing this. Still, a lot depends on the personality of the class teacher! Therefore, when I hear calls from some to "improve" today's school, I always want to say: take it, and go to it, organize classes there with children and pass on your life experience, skills and knowledge to them. And then we all know how best "in words". But take it, and try it in practice!

To be continued ...
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 18: 12
    +8
    The methods of teaching English in school are terrible. They cause a persistent aversion to learning a foreign language for many years. Creates the feeling that foreign languages ​​are not yours. Just starting to attend private courses, you understand that this is not so. Therefore, we have such a low percentage of proficiency in a foreign language, at school / university everyone had such a subject, although there was about 0 sense from it.
    1. kalibr
      4 December 2020 18: 23
      +1
      Strong belief that this was done on purpose. Before the whole world: the language is there. And at the same time it seems to be gone. But no - it is scary to leave ... But imagine if the language was taught perfectly? The number of those who fled from the USSR would have increased significantly!
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 18: 32
        -1
        Quote: kalibr
        Strong belief that this was done on purpose.

        I think so. As I recall the table of verb tenses, it shivers. It's like giving higher mathematics in high school. Go explain what ± infinity is and how to work with it, to a 10-12 year old child.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 4 December 2020 19: 02
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        The number of those who fled from the USSR would have increased significantly!

        It was necessary to provide this opportunity .. and at the slightest desire to help move .. you look now would have changed places with China ..
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 5 December 2020 10: 09
          -1
          Quote: Svarog

          It was necessary to provide this opportunity .. and at the slightest desire to help move .. you look now would have changed places with China ..

          And howl laughing
      3. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 4 December 2020 19: 16
        +9
        Quote: kalibr
        Strong belief that this was done on purpose. Before the whole world: the language is there. And at the same time it seems to be gone. But no - it is scary to leave ... But imagine if the language was taught perfectly? The number of those who fled from the USSR would have increased significantly!

        Well, in our school, for example, they subscribed to Le Monde - a French newspaper, when Francois Mitterrand won - they immediately did what it was possible in the USSR to subscribe literally for a penny and delivered mail to school along with Pravda, Izvstyi, Trud and Teacher's newspaper ... So we studied living French on the elective on this newspaper hi
      4. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 4 December 2020 20: 06
        +11
        What are you carrying? My mother graduated from high school and was almost (I cannot judge) fluent in English and German. What she gave me before school was enough for everything, including institutes. And how did it not mix in her head? .. Basically, my father is of the same spill (the breed rests on me, but I know at least). Do you think they fled from the USSR? You are wrong, they went to the Komsomol construction site in the darkness-cockroach and there they found each other - that's how I appeared ... a sloven and a renegade. :)
    2. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 4 December 2020 18: 24
      +6
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The methods of teaching English in school are terrible. They cause a persistent aversion to learning a foreign language for many years. Creates the feeling that foreign languages ​​are not yours. Just starting to attend private courses, you understand that this is not so. Therefore, we have such a low percentage of proficiency in a foreign language, at school / university everyone had such a subject, although there was about 0 sense from it.

      Well it depends on the language teacher !!! good
      I studied in an ordinary Soviet school for everyone, but I went to an elective course in French ... At the end of grade 10 (then grade 10), do you know how I passed the test in French? repeat
      The teacher played Joe Dassin's record three times with an unknown track - and I translated it by ear to "5" hi Well, not in verse, of course - but literal ...))) but at 5 !!!
      1. kalibr
        4 December 2020 18: 40
        -3
        Quote: Corona without virus
        The teacher played Joe Dassin's record three times with an unknown pestney - and I made its translation by ear to "5" well, not in verse, of course - but literal ...))) but by 5 !!!

        This is not an indicator of the word at all. Excuse me.
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 4 December 2020 18: 44
          +8
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Corona without virus
          The teacher played Joe Dassin's record three times with an unknown pestney - and I made its translation by ear to "5" well, not in verse, of course - but literal ...))) but by 5 !!!

          This is not an indicator of the word at all. Excuse me.

          1. Choose any song you don't know in the language you think you know
          2. Listen to the song 3 times
          3. Make a literal translation
          4. Take your translation to a familiar teacher of the language in which the pestle was
          5. Get a "5" - then we will continue to argue about the quality of teaching foreign languages ​​in Soviet schools hi
          1. kalibr
            4 December 2020 18: 47
            +1
            For example, I generally do not perceive anything by ear, I need to read. And there are many of them. And there are those who, yes, are good at hearing. So this is not an indicator. This is a feature ... of biology. And I do not want to argue with you, I not only graduated from a special school, but also at the university taught the methodology of teaching a language on Wed. school, and then taught it for three years, again in the Soviet school. How long have you taught it and in which school?
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 4 December 2020 18: 57
              +6
              Quote: kalibr
              For example, I generally do not perceive anything by ear, I need to read. And there are many of them. And there are those who, yes, are good at hearing. So this is not an indicator. This is a feature ... of biology. And I do not want to argue with you, I not only graduated from a special school, but also at the university taught the methodology of teaching a language on Wed. school, and then taught it for three years, again in the Soviet school. How long have you taught it and in which school?

              I have not taught foreign languages ​​to anyone, I will not lie hi
              But I have a hobby - I teach children and students programming and chemistry "for the soul" so to speak - but, really, for BIG money in private repeat
              Here is the simplest example - right now (two weeks ago my friend asked me to check the quality of teaching programming in a Moscow programming lyceum), in just one day I found out that the boy had lost a year and a half from his life crying He was taught to write programs there, and in just some 2 weeks I taught him programming "from scratch" more than he did in lyceum for a year and a half wassat tongue
              1. kalibr
                4 December 2020 19: 17
                +5
                I have always respected and respect specialists, as well as those to whom something is "given from God." Apparently you are "from God" given the ability to languages. And I completely approve of the ability to earn money in private. This type of education is the future!
              2. Aag
                Aag 4 December 2020 21: 04
                0
                "... I have a hobby ... for BIG money ...
                belay
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 4 December 2020 21: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: AAG
                  "... I have a hobby ... for BIG money ...
                  belay

                  Well, what's wrong with that? )))
                  I'm not teaching on a stream, but for the soul good And not everyone in a row, but who really wants to learn ... After all, teaching is a lot of work good

                  For example, if anyone wants to learn programming from me, I first force such a child to personally retype Eugene Onegin tongue For then - "War and Peace" by Tolstoy - this is so, there will be a warm-up, because programmers type sooo much on the keyboard)))
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 5 December 2020 20: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Crown without virus
                    Quote: AAG
                    "... I have a hobby ... for BIG money ...
                    belay

                    Well, what's wrong with that? )))
                    I'm not teaching on a stream, but for the soul good And not everyone in a row, but who really wants to learn ... After all, teaching is a lot of work good

                    For example, if anyone wants to learn programming from me, I first force such a child to personally retype Eugene Onegin tongue For then - "War and Peace" by Tolstoy - this is so, there will be a warm-up, because programmers type sooo much on the keyboard)))

                    Well, is it a hobby for the soul, or BIG money?))
                    Probably, I lagged behind life, - usually it turned out so, for me, my friends, that a hobby cost money. Sometimes not small ...
                    No, of course, the dream of life - to do what you love, for good (some inappropriate adjective) money.
                    ... Those who are FORCED to teach "on the stream", and, often not only those who want to acquire knowledge, skills, are initially in the worst conditions (teachers of all - secondary schools, universities, - levels, for example).
                    About teaching as labor, I agree! Moreover, both for the trainee and for the teacher. With a conscientious approach ... Unfortunately, the opposite is often observed. From either side of the process. Worse, if from one of the.
                    Tell me, for lessons on PROGRAMMING, well, when a student reprints classics of Russian literature, do you take an hourly payment? Or by the number of characters?)) Do you influence the process? - keyboard layout, finger placement (teaching typing)?
                    Yes, more! If you oblige the students to type the texts you have indicated FROM MEMORY, then you can safely demand an additional payment for teaching Russian literature! ... But there is also a foreign one! (You can make money without learning programming!).

                    Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend, that’s for sure. I was a little lousy, yes.
                    The reason is the monetization of everything, everywhere, and everything. Often, in the absence of proper professionalism.
                    And ... Among the acquaintances, there are still unique, ready-made relics, not so much for a hard-earned coin, but more often at a loss for oneself (material, not spiritual) to transfer their knowledge and skills to those who need it (unfortunately, those have also become less, more ready to buy) ... It's sad. hi
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 5 December 2020 23: 33
                      0
                      Quote: AAG
                      Quote: Crown without virus
                      Quote: AAG
                      "... I have a hobby ... for BIG money ...
                      belay

                      Well, what's wrong with that? )))
                      I'm not teaching on a stream, but for the soul good And not everyone in a row, but who really wants to learn ... After all, teaching is a lot of work good

                      For example, if anyone wants to learn programming from me, I first force such a child to personally retype Eugene Onegin tongue For then - "War and Peace" by Tolstoy - this is so, there will be a warm-up, because programmers type sooo much on the keyboard)))

                      Well, is it a hobby for the soul, or BIG money?))
                      Probably, I lagged behind life, - usually it turned out so, for me, my friends, that a hobby cost money. Sometimes not small ...
                      No, of course, the dream of life - to do what you love, for good (some inappropriate adjective) money.
                      ... Those who are FORCED to teach "on the stream", and, often not only those who want to acquire knowledge, skills, are initially in the worst conditions (teachers of all - secondary schools, universities, - levels, for example).
                      About teaching as labor, I agree! Moreover, both for the trainee and for the teacher. With a conscientious approach ... Unfortunately, the opposite is often observed. From either side of the process. Worse, if from one of the.
                      Tell me, for lessons on PROGRAMMING, well, when a student reprints classics of Russian literature, do you take an hourly payment? Or by the number of characters?)) Do you influence the process? - keyboard layout, finger placement (teaching typing)?
                      Yes, more! If you oblige the students to type the texts you have indicated FROM MEMORY, then you can safely demand an additional payment for teaching Russian literature! ... But there is also a foreign one! (You can make money without learning programming!).

                      Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend, that’s for sure. I was a little lousy, yes.
                      The reason is the monetization of everything, everywhere, and everything. Often, in the absence of proper professionalism.
                      And ... Among the acquaintances, there are still unique, ready-made relics, not so much for a hard-earned coin, but more often at a loss for oneself (material, not spiritual) to transfer their knowledge and skills to those who need it (unfortunately, those have also become less, more ready to buy) ... It's sad. hi

                      I'm not holding a grudge!!! drinks I'll start answering points ...)))

                      1. If, in terms of 1 hour of my LABOR, I earn roughly 100 rubles at work, and "sell" my LABOR on training for 50 rubles per 1 hour of my time - is this a "hobby" or not ?! ;)

                      2. I can train a bear to ride a motorcycle in the circus arena ... Only ... I DO NOT release bears on motorcycles on public roads ... sorry ... for no money !!! ))) Here either my Pupil (with a capital U) will become my Pupil ... or him in the circus, learn to ride a motorcycle in the circus arena laughing
                      1. Aag
                        Aag 5 December 2020 23: 45
                        +2
                        Thanks for the reply. drinks
                        Sorry, you need to comprehend, so as not to break the wood)). And the time in my hour, at five in the morning) hi
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 December 2020 19: 03
              -2
              Quote: kalibr
              How long have you taught it and in which school?

              It always surprises me when amateurs teach specialists, and in addition, they try to impose their opinion. But ....
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 December 2020 10: 15
              +3
              Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi
              It's also about the difference between languages. English, for example, is not very "phonetic" - words, especially songs, are chewed. Unlike German, for example
              1. kalibr
                5 December 2020 10: 31
                +1
                Good morning and day to you! I agree, but I generally do not understand foreign languages ​​well by ear, even English ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 5 December 2020 12: 40
                  +1
                  Didn't live in a language environment
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2020 19: 01
      +4
      School English teaching methods are terrible

      They have become like that now .. When I started to study English, I was very surprised .. the technique was really turned upside down .. I compare it with my school, where I was taught German by a German woman, a wonderful teacher, a person .. I still adore German and I still couldn't master English ..
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 19: 05
        +2
        In addition to school and university, I studied English in 2 courses from different private schools. The difference in teaching methods is directly felt. Somewhere you make your way through the wall and mazes, somewhere through derby, somewhere you just climb the stairs.
        We need to try different schools and methods, physiologically we are all different.
        1. Aag
          Aag 4 December 2020 21: 13
          +1
          "... somewhere in the derby ..."
          sad
          Olepatka?
          In the arrangement of letters, or in the capitalization of the first?))
          If, nevertheless, - "derby", then what is the meaning? In the sense of a trot?
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 21: 24
            0
            Wilds of course. Tablet auto-change. Thanks for the amendment.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 5 December 2020 10: 17
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        School English teaching methods are terrible

        They have become like that now .. When I started to study English, I was very surprised .. the technique was really turned upside down .. I compare it with my school, where I was taught German by a German woman, a wonderful teacher, a person .. I still adore German and I still couldn't master English ..

        Now children learn English much easier, because there is a so-called language environment - computer games, YouTube, music channels, etc. Not German itself is easier
      3. Kart
        Kart 8 December 2020 09: 05
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        I compare it with my school, where I was taught German by a German woman, a wonderful teacher, a person .. I still adore German and have never been able to master English ..

        Well, that is, a wonderful teacher was caught - and everything worked out.
        But if it were ordinary, like mine, it would not work to make friends with English at school.
        So now everything depends on it - there is a wonderful teacher, you can study, and most importantly, you will learn.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 December 2020 19: 21
      +6
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The methods of teaching English in school are terrible. They cause a persistent aversion to learning a foreign language for many years.

      I have a good memory of our German teacher at the 7 year old school. It was led by a military translator who completed 3-month courses and fought the entire war, opens a window, lights a cigarette, and starts a survey by pointing her finger at you, "Hans! Tell me the name of the division, the number of the regiment, who is the commander, etc., etc." And we enjoyed playing this game in the classroom, and then on the street playing "war". There is no technique, the knowledge is simple, but at the end of the 7th grade, I liked it, and I began to perceive the language. Already at the 10-year-old school, the teacher was German, and for herself she reached the required level. I had to visit Germany for work, the Germans did not complain.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 19: 26
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        who fought the entire war, opens a window, lights a cigarette, and starts a poll by pointing her finger at you, "Hans! Tell me the name of the division, the number of the regiment, who is the commander, etc., etc."

        Quote: tihonmarine
        I had to visit Germany for work, the Germans did not complain.

        Go complain about this, with such teachers then ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 December 2020 19: 36
          +3
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Go complain about this, with such teachers ...

          To be honest, you are right.
    5. Fast_mutant
      Fast_mutant 4 December 2020 19: 37
      +5
      You are not right. It all depends on the teacher! I fully support the views of the author! He himself studied at an English special school. On a solid C grade. When I had to finish 10th grade in another, ordinary, school I did not do English lessons at all. In the 10th grade, we took a course in the 6th grade "special schools"! )))) I still live on the TOM backlog. Ali, all sorts of fuckers, business correspondence at work! ))) Py.Cy. Our teacher was just a beast in English (we thought so then). Her lessons were called simply - "flying to za-lu-poo"! (sorry, moderators!) But who would have known how many grateful words in my later life I said to her! I'm not lying!
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 4 December 2020 20: 29
        -1
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        You are not right. It all depends on the teacher!

        If everything depends on the teacher, so what kind of technique is this? The teacher must take the methodology and textbooks, follow it. And so every good teacher has his own methodology, what does this mean? Only that the officially accepted one is not suitable for training and you need to use other methods.
        1. Aag
          Aag 4 December 2020 21: 25
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Quote: Fast_mutant
          You are not right. It all depends on the teacher!

          If everything depends on the teacher, so what kind of technique is this? The teacher must take the methodology and textbooks, follow it. And so every good teacher has his own methodology, what does this mean? Only that the officially accepted one is not suitable for training and you need to use other methods.

          Well, as if even a machine does not always act according to a given algorithm. What can we say about people ... If we proceed from the subject of the site, all the Armed Forces live according to the OVU of the RF Armed Forces (General Military Regulations of the Armed Forces). according to their MDK (moral business qualities) ...
        2. Fast_mutant
          Fast_mutant 19 December 2020 15: 56
          0
          Everything depends on the teacher, because one can take a student by the throat, and the other is a very good person, but a rag. And children are animals! They clearly smell the weak. And immediately they score. Therefore, if the teacher is a beast, then he is a fine fellow and his children know the subject. And if he's kind, then a shitty teacher. From today's position I remember with a kind word, oddly enough, only "teacher animals"! A huge bow to them for their nerves and strength!
          The institute / school has a different approach. But at school "real life" is not soon, and not many can learn without a stick.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 December 2020 21: 16
        +1
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        Our teacher was just a beast in English (we thought so then). Her lessons were called simply - "flying for ...-

        I was lucky with the teachers of English, when, after German, I began to study English in a sailor, one worked in embassies, and the other as a translator on a non-magnetic schooner "Zarya", the only one in the world where her husband was a captain. When I was studying, there was no longer a schooner and my husband was the captain of the sailing ship "Kropotkin", and all of us cadets gathered on this barkentine standing near the "Lieutenant Schmidt" bridge and where the husband and wife spoke with us only in English. Rufina Vasilievna (our teacher) was just good, she always came with a smile, to which we also responded with good. And she and her husband, the captain, spoke to us only in English, although we understood him little, but by the spring we all spoke in a simple language. Dozens of years have passed, but I remember everything as if in reality, and only thanks to them, I was able to work at sea for dozens of years, because after the collapse of the Soviet Union, we were able to work on all ships in the world.
    6. Motorist
      Motorist 4 December 2020 22: 52
      +1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The methods of teaching English in school are terrible.

      This is not the point: the languages ​​that we have are foreign are of a different language group, and they are difficult for us, especially without practice.

      Here is an example: German juvenile delinquents (imagine how "good" they studied at school!) English grasped "once or twice" and within a month they communicated with us quite tolerably.

      Another example: I myself didn't speak English at all, but after the first practice I began to feel freer in terms of expressing thoughts in a foreign language.
    7. pereselenec
      pereselenec 5 December 2020 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      The methods of teaching English in school are terrible. They cause a persistent aversion to learning a foreign language for many years.


      The methods of teaching any foreign language in our school are terrible. The language should be taught by talking, watching videos and reading books on a topic that is interesting for the student, about which he already knows a lot of factology in Russian, so that there is something to cling to when assimilating the material. In our country, teaching any language is a stupid cramming of grammar, 70 percent of which is not used even by native speakers, which creates rejection.
    8. Doctor
      Doctor 6 December 2020 00: 48
      +1
      The methods of teaching English in school are terrible. They cause a persistent aversion to learning a foreign language for many years.

      Because these techniques have been created by philologists since pre-revolutionary times.
      Based on approximately 1000 hours per European language.
      And in school, with 35 academic weeks and language classes 2 hours a week, 70 hours a year are accumulated.
      The junior school can be ignored, there are no serious classes there, so in 7 years about 500 hours.
      2 times less than necessary. And everyone knows the quality of classes. wink
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 4 December 2020 18: 26
    +4
    Soviet special schools were a formality, in fact - all schools could be called special schools, at least in large cities.
    The school that I graduated from was with a mathematical bias, although even then it was not entirely clear what this meant.
    Specifically, for in-depth study of foreign languages, you must have at least a good memory and, the student's own craving for languages.
    And, now it is considered prestigious in our country to study in such schools, if a youth is a fool, no special school will teach him languages.
    1. kalibr
      4 December 2020 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: bober1982
      if the boy is a fool, no special school will teach him languages.

      This is without a doubt so! So it was, is and will be !!!
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 4 December 2020 23: 15
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        without any doubt

        I also strongly disagree. almost anyone who is in a stressful situation - such as new immigrants or sailors or work abroad ... if your survival depends on the language you will have the ability and time and diligence and tutors ... yes, this is stress on the brink, but only so
        after school, like everyone else, dysis e table dysis e retired ... in DVIMU they began to drive and in the shipping company all caps and grandfathers were afraid of an Englishwoman in an offshore sub-flag not to sit or in the honorable Arctic for rubles several times less - that was the incentive. ..
        my dear inyaz finished - one of her vivid impressions when she spoke abroad and these old British idioms all turned out to be dead
  3. kamakama
    kamakama 4 December 2020 18: 26
    +7
    Unfortunately yes. I studied German, where all the brains were gutted with grammar, but that did not help me in any way in Austria and Frisia, where they speak their own German languages, very different from Hochdeutsch. And as English Australian and English Indian - that's generally counting different languages
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 5 December 2020 00: 28
      0
      Quote: kamakama
      did not help me in any way in Austria and Frisia

      In Ostfriesland (if you mean this region) only few people speak Platdeutsche - old people in villages and local nationalists. Basically now - hohdeutsch, even in schools, the study fee was canceled several years ago. Unfortunately for local patriots and despite democracy ... Language will die soon.
      1. kamakama
        kamakama 7 December 2020 12: 42
        +1
        Well, maybe it was officially canceled as a full-fledged language, but in the Wilhelmshaven area 10 years ago I AT ALL could not understand what they say to me in response to a banal question - what is on the menu? by ear - a wild accent, cooler than my Russian. It was the same in Austria - like the word everyone is familiar, but I can't understand whether I can park the car here or not. You shouldn't think that no one speaks local languages ​​in Europe, even the French made a film dedicated to the language problem in the regions. In Russian it is known as "Beaver cheer"
      2. kamakama
        kamakama 7 December 2020 14: 36
        +1
        Well, yes, a little Russian reality. A foreigner who comes to the market of Rostov-on-Don or Krasnodar will feel a slight shock from the fact that what they speak here is also Russian, but it differs from the literary language that was taught to him at the university in his homeland. He will only be able to understand TV programs and radio, and that is not all. Moreover, the South Russian surzhik also does not specifically teach anywhere, but all the same, it exists by itself
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 7 December 2020 21: 19
          0
          Quote: kamakama
          You shouldn't think so that nobody speaks local languages ​​in Europe

          Hello. I don’t think so, I just described what is happening in Ostfriesland: the language is "aging" (in the sense - its speakers), young people are drawn to the cities (which is understandable!), And there platdeutsch is not needed there. Hoch crushes the boards by a terrible force ... Also, they stopped teaching him in local schools.

          And, nevertheless, I would not compare Russian in Rostov and Leningrad (for example) with plat- and hohdeutsch - ordinary Germans do not understand boards practically, and you will not surprise us with Ukrainian. hi
  4. mark1
    mark1 4 December 2020 18: 33
    +1
    And then we all know how best "in words". But take it, and try it in practice!

    To do this, we have specially trained people, and we only have to evaluate their activities (we have the right)
    1. kalibr
      4 December 2020 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      we just have to assess their activities (we have the right)

      Only if the specialist is assessed by a specialist! Well, in general - I went to the doctor, and the tooth hurts - the doctor is bad. Although not 100% fact - that is the problem!
      1. mark1
        mark1 4 December 2020 18: 41
        +2
        When we send children to school to study, we expect some kind of result, and on the basis of these expectations we have the right to assess. No?
        1. kalibr
          4 December 2020 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          When we send children to school to study, we expect some kind of result, and on the basis of these expectations we have the right to assess.

          Here - certainly!
  5. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 4 December 2020 18: 37
    +6
    I had German, in all honesty, I did not think (and others) that it would be needed.
    And teachers, they tried to give us the knowledge that they themselves owned.
    There were favorite subjects and good teachers, there were subjects that were not loved and that were not given to us. And the teachers were those who didn't want to go to class.
    But in general, the Soviet school was very good.
    Those who wanted to study could achieve success.
  6. credo
    credo 4 December 2020 18: 42
    +9
    “You will be a C grade student, you will go to the factory and become a worker. She told me. - If you are a worker, you will go to wash your first pay. You get drunk, you come home dirty and clothed (and I have seen the fact that workers come home on Saturdays just like that, because I lived on Proletarskaya Street!), And I will tear you from my heart and drive you out of the house! "
    [i] [/ i]

    Auto RU.
    I also lived for a dozen years in the USSR on Proletarskaya Street, next to a huge factory, which was located on an area of ​​several hundred hectares, but I never saw the cheated workers, although after pay, many of them legally went to pubs, consuming there not only beer.
    I can't say that my place of residence at that time was elite, but the workers, as a rule, went to work in neat, clean clothes and with a headdress in the form of hats or caps.
    The attitude towards workers and their professions in the USSR was completely different and there was no disdain, especially among the male population, therefore, the workers' dynasties in the USSR were proud and it was not a shame to be a worker.
    1. kalibr
      4 December 2020 18: 53
      0
      Quote: credo
      therefore, the workers' dynasties in the USSR were proud and it was not a shame to be a worker.

      But for some reason, many workers tried to push their children to universities ...
      1. credo
        credo 4 December 2020 19: 04
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: credo
        therefore, the workers' dynasties in the USSR were proud and it was not a shame to be a worker.

        But for some reason, many workers tried to push their children to universities ...

        "Many workers tried to push through" - the phrase clearly has nothing to do with Soviet times.
        For example, in vocational schools, it was only possible to get into the groups of welders, car mechanics, ship mechanics, turners and other professions that were considered monetary. Groups filled up very quickly and dropouts were very rare.
        1. kalibr
          4 December 2020 19: 11
          +2
          Quote: credo
          the phrase clearly has nothing to do with Soviet times.

          I have been working at the Higher School of Art since 1982 and this trend has been very clearly identified every year ...
          1. credo
            credo 4 December 2020 19: 20
            -1
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: credo
            the phrase clearly has nothing to do with Soviet times.

            I have been working at the Higher School of Art since 1982 and this trend has been very clearly identified every year ...

            Most likely, those whom you refer to as workers were actually parents from the sphere of trade, the regions of the Caucasus and some other industries that have nothing to do with working professions.
            The truth is only that by the year you are describing, especially 1985, the prestige of the working profession began to fade, because perestroika began, hard and unjustly hitting the workers and engineering and technical personnel. But this is no longer the Soviet history of the country, although there was still time before the collapse of the USSR.
            1. kalibr
              4 December 2020 19: 29
              +3
              Quote: credo
              in fact, they were parents from the trade, the Caucasus regions and some other industries that have nothing to do with working professions.

              Well, for ... you don't need to count me, eh? There was always a survey and there was: who the parents are, where they work, by whom ... We all knew about everyone!
              1. credo
                credo 4 December 2020 19: 53
                -1
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: credo
                in fact, they were parents from the trade, the Caucasus regions and some other industries that have nothing to do with working professions.

                Well, for ... you don't need to count me, eh? There was always a survey and there was: who the parents are, where they work, by whom ... We all knew about everyone!

                I cannot judge what your university was so prestigious, but together with me 70-80 percent of young men and women "from the families of workers and peasants" entered the University, some after vocational school, some after a technical school, with work experience or after the army, and I knew many of them from school.
                Most of them didn’t come without any cronyism or "alms". School knowledge, coupled with subsequent education, was enough.
                1. kalibr
                  4 December 2020 20: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: credo
                  Most of them didn’t come without any cronyism or "alms". School knowledge, coupled with subsequent education, was quite enough

                  And in our polytechnic, the majority acted without cronies and alms. Ordinary university ...
                  1. credo
                    credo 4 December 2020 20: 13
                    0
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Quote: credo
                    Most of them didn’t come without any cronyism or "alms". School knowledge, coupled with subsequent education, was quite enough

                    And in our polytechnic, the majority acted without cronies and alms. Ordinary university ...

                    By the way, in the Soviet era, at that time, very advanced equipment from capitalist countries was purchased for the plant next to which I had to live, for example, large carousel and other CNC machines. So many guys, after receiving a rig and working as engineers, went to work on these machines in working specialties. The job was highly paid and prestigious, plus advanced equipment, live experience and knowledge. No one who went there has never regretted it.
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 4 December 2020 20: 27
        +1
        Shove it through? Well, in principle, I understand you - you are a white bone, I don’t know who is hereditary ... And, by the way, who are you hereditary? Do you want me to answer for you? You are nobody, if you can judge people like that, and in the main people your words will cause nothing but hatred. Few of you in Smolny were smeared on the walls, it was necessary to grind. Sorry ... in vain.
        Have you ever thought that the desire to "shove" is just parental care for children? I think not, for you this is a lower caste, then whether you are all in white and with a halo. It's disgusting.
        1. kalibr
          4 December 2020 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Have you ever thought that the desire to "shove" is just parental care for children?

          It was me, Sergei, I was thinking, but why not go to my factory? And prestigious and honorable, and the salary is 320 + 13th, and they all strive for the university ... Is it strange somehow?
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 5 December 2020 00: 50
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            they all strive for university

            It's just that the parents wanted their children what they did not achieve themselves for one reason or another. I agree with Sergei that the word "shove" is used incorrectly. IMHO. hi
          2. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 5 December 2020 03: 05
            +1
            Thank you for missing my emotional words ... And to your "plant" too, the dynasty is very good - mother is a geologist, father is a geologist, brother is a geologist, I am a mining engineer (the same geologist, only ... providing the work of geologists whether?). Isn't it "to your factory"? Only salaries are slightly higher, taking into account all the coefficients. Everything should develop - people too. My grandfather is self-educated (there were no conditions for education), parents - higher, I - two higher.
      3. Aag
        Aag 4 December 2020 21: 37
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: credo
        therefore, the workers' dynasties in the USSR were proud and it was not a shame to be a worker.

        But for some reason, many workers tried to push their children to universities ...

        Your disregard for the working class is "rushing" both in the article and in the comments.
        Sorry if I'm wrong ...
        1. kalibr
          5 December 2020 06: 37
          0
          Quote: AAG
          Disregard for the working class

          Not to the class, but to its individual representatives, above all of the Soviet era. Remind you of alcohol consumption? Who consumed it on such a scale? Teachers, doctors, librarians - right? ... Now I have two representatives of the "class" in my acquaintances ... and I am very pleased with them.
          1. Esoteric
            Esoteric 5 December 2020 12: 53
            -1
            Komsomol and regional committee workers consumed on a scale incomparable to any worker. For a worker, for example, at a lathe, it is quite difficult to work drunk, you can switch to disability. In the assembly shops of the "defense industry" the same will not get drunk. But the Party organizer has a lot of freedom, for he does nothing, he only gets everyone with his speeches about a "guiding" line.
            I saw very well the doctors in Soviet times, in a "bewildered state", and the physics teacher at school was that every day he improved his health. Well, they have a subtle nature of an intellectual, they can. smile I treat the intelligentsia like Gumilev, with his immortal words - "- Lev Nikolaevich, are you an intellectual?
            - God save me! The current intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they know nothing, they do not know how, but they judge everything and absolutely do not accept dissent. "
            1. kalibr
              5 December 2020 14: 16
              +3
              Your "dissent" is welcome here too!
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 5 December 2020 20: 02
                +1
                And goodness and happiness to you (through "and", in my opinion it is more correct smile ) in life! I read your articles with pleasure, but sometimes there is a desire to argue smile Although I do not know very much, which I do not hide.
                1. kalibr
                  5 December 2020 20: 09
                  +1
                  Dear Dmitry! Arguing is normal. The fact that you write that "I don't know much" is excellent. I also learn a lot here for the first time. Nobody knows everything. Gradually, if you are interested, you learn a lot.
            2. kalibr
              5 December 2020 14: 18
              +3
              Quote: Ezoterik
              For a worker, for example, at a lathe, it is quite difficult to work drunk, you can switch to disability.

              Not scary! I know of one woodworking workshop where workers have three, two, or even one finger on their hands. And everyone is so drunk and working!
              1. Aag
                Aag 5 December 2020 22: 27
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: Ezoterik
                For a worker, for example, at a lathe, it is quite difficult to work drunk, you can switch to disability.

                Not scary! I know of one woodworking workshop where workers have three, two, or even one finger on their hands. And everyone is so drunk and working!


                I know (knew) a carpentry shop, about 8 years ago, where there is one master master (9 fingers), with him two apprentices, bring it, give it, three managers, a director, two deputies, plus the owner.
                A typical device of domestic production. ((
          2. Aag
            Aag 5 December 2020 21: 24
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: AAG
            Disregard for the working class

            Not to the class, but to its individual representatives, above all of the Soviet era. Remind you of alcohol consumption? Who consumed it on such a scale? Teachers, doctors, librarians - right? ... Now I have two representatives of the "class" in my acquaintances ... and I am very pleased with them.

            Some, again, generalization followed from the text ... Without denying the existing fact, I want to draw your attention, and the participants in the discussion, that in the times you describe there were incomparably more "hard workers". Let's not forget the conditions ... If it's quite rude , - the current working class is represented, for the most part, by "office plankton" (I do not cancel the existence of warehouse workers, logistics ...). In contrast to the Soviet era you mentioned (why? in the above commentary). , you see, it's difficult. Because, like a turner, a milling machine operator (and the machine itself, alive, and not a Chinese craft), you still have to look! But there are enough drunk managers (without belittling the importance of the profession in the current realities). they are in the wine-glasses, and in the barrels of beer! They are not there either! Look into nightclubs (covid failed), walk through rented apartments ...)))
            Nothing special ( am ) has not changed, - the next round of "development": before they worked "for uncle", their own, quite good and fair for themselves. Now, for someone else's, with all the consequences ... hi
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 December 2020 18: 44
    +4
    I, knowing how they teach in schools, prepared children for school myself. And, for them, at first everything was in a playful way, and as they grew older, I changed the training methodology. The only thing is my English language, although at one time it had a solid 4 at school, that is, I was "good", I spoke only my native language, school knowledge was forgotten. For example, I wanted to hire a tutor for my daughter, but obviously at the genetic level she went to me, and she studied easily and perfectly, a little was not enough for her for a gold medal! But I am grateful to the Soviet school precisely because the teachers were caught by the gods in their hypostasis, they did not just know the subjects, they loved them! And, we were able to convey this love of knowledge! If not for my dislike of mathematics and geometry, I would definitely get a medal. ..Thanks to the author for the article, so the Soviet school came to my mind. ...
    1. kalibr
      4 December 2020 18: 55
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      the items didn't just know - they loved them!

      I also came across such. Everything is the same with regard to land - there are good plots, medium and bad. So it is among people ...
    2. Aag
      Aag 4 December 2020 21: 49
      +1
      "Thanks to the author for the article, so the Soviet school came to my mind. ..."
      I remember the Soviet school a little differently. More positively. I will not argue that in different schools it was different ...
      Regarding the article, I greatly overshadowed the impression of the author from the previous texts, either in articles or in the comments (IMHO, of course) ...
      1. Aag
        Aag 5 December 2020 22: 54
        -1
        Quote: AAG
        "Thanks to the author for the article, so the Soviet school came to my mind. ..."
        I remember the Soviet school a little differently. More positively. I will not argue that in different schools it was different ...
        Regarding the article, I greatly overshadowed the impression of the author from the previous texts, either in articles or in the comments (IMHO, of course) ...

        It would be necessary, of course, to write to the author, but I consider it necessary to correct, supplement my comments.
        Despite the disagreement with the author about a number of questions and facts, I must admit that the author's answers to almost all the significant comments to the article should be considered a positive moment. The person is responsible for his words! hi
  8. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 4 December 2020 18: 57
    +6
    I will express my personal and subjective opinion. I liked learning English at school. I had a good and solid "A" (* I graduated from school in 1979 and then there was a five-point scale of grades - AN), but in the last days of May, before the end of the tenth grade, an Englishwoman asked me strictly so - I will not apply to foreign language? exactly? I assured the teacher that I was going to a military school, the Englishwoman calmed down and gave me a well-deserved "five" in my certificate. However, I honestly earned the mark and the knowledge was. Further - study at a university (I did not go to a military school, but graduated from a civil university), but there the study of foreign languages ​​was then conducted at a level even lower than at school. The explanation is simple - with us, the townspeople, the guys from the villages of the Ukrainian SSR and the RSFSR studied, and they taught foreign languages ​​very badly. And there were no exams in foreign language - only tests. And the language was studied for the first two courses. It was then that I lost my knowledge. And then, already in 2005-2006, when I went to work in Iran, I had to remember English and to myself to thank our school teacher for the knowledge that she gave us! Had school knowledge and remembered. By the way, Turkish, French and Iranian construction firms worked next to us. Communicated in a mixed English-Turkish-Russian language plus gestures. The fact is that Turkish firms recruited engineers in Azerbaijan, and they knew Russian. We improved our spoken Turkish in a year. And "great" English was not very popular: the Iranians knew this language even worse than us ... So, we were not alone with the English language - the Iranian Ministry of Education also needs to significantly improve the study of this language! I hope that the Iranian comrades visit this site and will correctly perceive my criticism. It is what it is. Work!
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 4 December 2020 19: 23
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      An Englishwoman asked me strictly so - I will not apply for foreign language? exactly? I assured the teacher that I was going to the military school,

      I, here I learned German at school, and then at a military school - well, I think they will teach the interrogation of a captured Bundeswehr officer in German, wink However, in my artillery engineering school we were taught primarily technical terms, half of my life has passed but I still remember:
      Maschinengewehr, Geschütz, Panzer ... But the main thing I remember is schieße nicht, Hitler Kaput ... hi
  9. Cowbra
    Cowbra 4 December 2020 19: 11
    0
    There are several very interesting things at once. First, a diploma of a military translator. It only seems like a trifle, but in fact it is a real application of knowledge. Baby wink (uh-huh, you come to the audience and with a height of 185 from the bottom up you look at them wassat ) understands that this is not an abstract leapfrog, but a very real thing that may come in handy right now - you can already become not a rookie but a translator. By the way, after studying in two special schools - physics and mathematics with English and medical bio - everything was real, what they were doing - from the 5th grade they began to solve problems from tickets at Moscow State University and research (really research, not to wash test tubes) at the Biofac. But this is also true - laboratory assistants ... Interest for the student is zero.
    Further - in order to teach something - you need to interest, with English it is generally always. The author's motivation was fear. I flooded in my time - for a music lover, I don't need to force songs to translate. Strugatsky. which Arkady loved science fiction, and then you will get figs, that's "Stalki and Company" and translated. The meaning is that everything is very individual, and you cannot drive it into the exam.
    Further, again about the exam. 5 minutes of live communication, I'll tell you if the student understands chemistry and can speak English at least a little. The exam will pass the ass, stupid cramming. And it will fly out from the first year - you can't make a SPECIALIST from him, it's a parrot
  10. Esoteric
    Esoteric 4 December 2020 19: 11
    +3
    The imperative is clear. "You will be a C grade student, you will go to the plant and become a worker," all you need to know about what the party elite thought about the so-called "hegemon". On television and at meetings, it is of course the workers are the salt of the earth in our country. And in his circle, for his children, this worker was a scarecrow, a "cattle", or else they are the "party" ones.
    They flutter with their tongues, the works of Pope Carlo and all his camarilla know, intellectuals, do not descend to vulgar physical labor. This is the lot of hard workers despised by the party elite. Everything you need to know about communism.
    1. Unknown
      Unknown 4 December 2020 19: 58
      +3
      Quote: Ezoterik
      The imperative is clear. "You will be a C grade student, you will go to the plant and become a worker," all you need to know about what the party elite thought about the so-called "hegemon". On television and at meetings, it is of course the workers are the salt of the earth in our country. And in his circle, for his children, this worker was a scarecrow, a "cattle", or else they are the "party" ones.
      They flutter with their tongues, the works of Pope Carlo and all his camarilla know, intellectuals, do not descend to vulgar physical labor. This is the lot of hard workers despised by the party elite. Everything you need to know about communism.
      ............ The party elite has a very distant relationship to communism, it's so easy to get hold of a party card and the ability to climb to the top. There is another word for this - opportunists. The strangest thing is that the author does not hesitate to say this. Lenin's slogan, “The Party is the honor and conscience of our era,” is not for him and those like him. These people are without conscience and honor. One can imagine what kind of atmosphere reigned in such a family, where mother and grandmother taught the history of Marxism - Leninism, and this was how they treated the workers. It is clear what kind of experience he got in special schools. Yes, the Soviet power raised the creative intelligentsia, here it is simply not possible to add not to subtract. And on the site they break the spears why they destroyed the USSR, that's because in the middle and upper echelon of power there were such communists.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 4 December 2020 20: 06
        +3
        Well, I really like the ideas of communism. And I think humanity will come to this, of course not now, now it's just a utopia. We need a different mentality in a person. And this is a long process, maybe a thousand years, who knows? Unless, of course, our civilization will still exist on this planet by this time. And so the idea is great. There is no violence, no states, no coercive apparatus, no money, no lies, no envy, no anger. But the human mentality is not yet ready for this. And will it be ready someday? Question.
  11. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 December 2020 19: 14
    +3
    The USSR is to blame for all your troubles. Languages ​​were poorly taught. If they had learned it, they would have fled and were already homeless in California, where the homeless are given immense benefits.
    Flags of enemies in the USSR were prohibited. But they didn't. Today, for the symbols of the USSR, you can serve a term or get off with a fine in euros or other hryvnias.
    The anti-Soviet people continue their anti-Soviet cause.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 4 December 2020 20: 24
      -2
      Did you sell study guides to learn it yourself, or was there an Internet?
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 4 December 2020 20: 53
        -1
        Have you heard about dyslexia and dysgraphia in children?
        Only this year, when the youngest was getting ready for school, many of my friends have such diagnoses in their children.
  12. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 December 2020 19: 19
    0
    pictures from the history textbook of the Middle Ages touched me, I studied the same way, but later, when I was going through the history of the Second World War, we were lucky with the teacher - it was adequate, but a year later there was a historian in the classrooms who said that the Germans reached Moscow because they had plywood tanks under the t-34
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 December 2020 20: 54
      0
      She is right, and there were such red flags on sticks, I watched Mikhalkov in documentaries.
  13. Esoteric
    Esoteric 4 December 2020 19: 26
    +9
    And the working man is the salt of the earth. It is the worker who lays the asphalt, it is he who monitors the sewage system in the cities, he, and not the chatterbox, bakes bread, sows the fields, he collects all your gadgets, cars, planes. He, no one else, plows up a sweat, in all countries of the world, and makes the existence of this civilization possible. And he also produces oil and gas. And he, the worker, walked the seas, discovering the world. Without him, the worker, there will be no civilization. So maybe you need to do him justice, he, along with engineers, doctors, teachers, scientists - the creators of modern civilization? Not talkers.
    1. Fat
      Fat 5 December 2020 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Ezoterik
      And the working man is the salt of the earth. It is the worker who lays the asphalt, it is he who monitors the sewage system in the cities, he, and not the chatterbox, bakes bread, sows the fields, he collects all your gadgets, cars, planes. He, no one else, plows up a sweat, in all countries of the world, and makes the existence of this civilization possible. And he also produces oil and gas. And he, the worker, walked the seas, discovering the world. Without him, the worker, there will be no civilization. So maybe you need to do him justice, he, along with engineers, doctors, teachers, scientists - the creators of modern civilization? Not talkers.

      Yes, it is simply necessary to give credit. Any specialist hunter will tell you this. There is almost an abyss between a laborer, a metalworker and a gunsmith who was granted a green caftan, they are united by only one thing - their labor is hired. The Rothschilds in the 19th century funded all research in the field of socialism-communism. Financed the Fabian Society (have you heard of the Webbs? They were translated by Lenin and Krupskaya in Shushenskoye) ...
  14. Van 16
    Van 16 4 December 2020 19: 27
    +4
    Much depends on the student himself. Our teacher was wonderful, but I didn’t learn English well, well, I didn’t like it. And then, in the 8th grade, I got carried away with music, listened a lot, first ABBA and other Smokey, then more serious, Pink Floyd and all that. And he began to study, you must at least know approximately what they are singing about. As a result, I became almost an excellent student))
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 4 December 2020 20: 05
      +4
      Otherwise, it could have turned out like in that story:
      - Oh, this is a cool song, there one dude kills another, and then sings a funeral song over his body.
      - No, there one just asks the other, please tell me, is this train going to Chattanooga Chu-Chu?
      smile
  15. orcinus
    orcinus 4 December 2020 19: 28
    +3
    The positive was up to the words about the Unified State Exam, as about a social lift))) Now children at school do not learn a subject, but prepare for tests. Write, better, the following article about the dropout rate after the first session and first year of study. At the same time, start with technical universities - this will already be closer to the essence of the entire series of articles)
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  17. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 4 December 2020 19: 42
    +5
    you go to wash your first pay. You get drunk, you come home dirty and cheated (and the fact that workers come home on Saturdays just like that, I saw more than once, because I lived on Proletarskaya Street!)

    At the same time, I lived in a military town, where, in addition to the instructors of the flight and navigational school, a certain number of railway workers and workers of city factories lived. After Khrushchev's defeat of the Air Force, many of the dismissed aviators went to work at the Orenburg "Mashzavod", so he talked with the hard workers and their children. I have not seen anything of the kind described by the author. It is unlikely that the working class of Orenburg was very different from the hard workers of Penza. Some specific perception of the factory people by the lecturer of the RK KPSS.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2020 19: 55
      +4
      The usual perception of the working class among the party elite. Nothing unusual. There were exceptions, but very rare, those that confirm the rule. It seems that they were not nobles, themselves from the "bare-assed", but got into the "stream" and ascended to Olympus, justifying the proverb about "boor and pan".
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 4 December 2020 20: 04
        +2
        Yes, you are probably right. This is the specificity of grassroots party members from district committees, city committees and regional committees of the Khrushchev-Brezhnev era
    2. kalibr
      4 December 2020 20: 07
      -1
      Everyone, Sergey, has his own street and his own life experience. What I remember is what I am telling you about. And you were different ... well, great. Particulars are both. I am by no means generalizing, mind you.
      1. Aag
        Aag 4 December 2020 22: 20
        +3
        "Each ....... has its own street and its own life experience. What I remember, I tell you about that. And you were different ... well, great. Particularly both."
        I totally agree ... Sorry to interrupt ...
        "I am not generalizing at all, mind you."
        From your article, the opposite opinion was formed.Moreover, you present your personal educational experience as the education system of the USSR, and, based on this, offer your approaches to education, the system of assessing knowledge, in the present and future ...
        1. kalibr
          5 December 2020 06: 42
          -1
          Quote: AAG
          you represent your personal educational experience as the education system of the USSR,

          And here I have the right. Worked in this system. And the personal one was at school as a child. But then ... then there was work!
          1. Aag
            Aag 5 December 2020 22: 20
            -1
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: AAG
            you represent your personal educational experience as the education system of the USSR,

            And here I have the right. Worked in this system. And the personal one was at school as a child. But then ... then there was work!

            You certainly have.
            However, like me. And I got the impression ... At least because of this: "But then ... then there was work ..." that, excuse me, rudely not the "golden calf" was lucky, but simply saddled you. ..
            I don’t blame, I’m trying to understand .. It’s clear that such discussions have arisen, and are arising, with people and closer ones. Well, here it’s like in carriage disputes, with random people ...
            I can throw a lot of epithets for myself and my own kind: "loshara", "underestimated", "not fit into the market", "very smart", "dinosaur", "thought a lot", "utopian" "too principled", etc. .p .... But people who are not happy with life (they exist among the homeless, as an extreme), but successful in a broad, normal sense, are very few! I do not consider options for material well-being while violating the principles of universal human morality .Not to mention the code of the builder of communism.)) ... (((
            How did we all (?) Have our brains turned .. hi
  18. sevryuk
    sevryuk 4 December 2020 19: 43
    +2
    In language special schools, there were up to 10 hours of a foreign language per week. Talented children knew him very well. It was sometimes difficult to get there (by pull), but the contingent for injections was formed. In the "postEGE" era, this experience will certainly be in demand.
  19. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 4 December 2020 19: 49
    +1
    At least one person spoke positively about the Unified State Exam.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 4 December 2020 20: 06
      +2
      The author of the Unified State Exam is greatly mistaken, believing that the check there is objective. The exam is a set of tests, nothing more. Another thing is that now it will not be possible to return to the previous assessments of knowledge, there is no one to examine.
      1. kalibr
        5 December 2020 06: 42
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        The author about the exam is greatly mistaken, believing that the check there is objective

        A tete-a-tete exam is more objective, isn't it?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 5 December 2020 10: 08
          0
          Naturally, if the examiner is interested in the knowledge of the examinee. This is how I prepare and select employees for myself.
          1. kalibr
            5 December 2020 10: 29
            0
            It's not about employees, but about applicants, right? There is also a big difference. Some are shy by nature, and some are not, somewhere you are distracted yourself, tired, somewhere you are distracted. At first you ask longer, in the end less ... Why am I explaining to you the truths in capital letters - people are people, when you receive 25-30 people a day it is impossible to objectively evaluate them all.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 5 December 2020 15: 37
              +2
              Once again, I need young employees. And not only to me, to everyone who develops science and industry. Not everyone comes to me, so the employee of the GSS who crashed in Indonesia on the RRJ-100 was my student. Nice guy, smart. Where they come from - from applicants. The quality of the latter is inevitably declining, at least for the last 30 years that I have been teaching. In the preparatory courses, in addition to physics, you have to explain the rules of action with fractions - this is what was included in the program of almost an elementary Soviet school. It is impossible to study physics without this (and other) school knowledge. If a person does not know the concept of valence, then it is also impossible to explain to him hole conductivity in semiconductors. It is important to convince the student of the need for the acquired knowledge, so that he realizes that he needs it. Sometimes it works. During the classic exam I have not 25-30 people, but up to 40. And nothing. Now the possibilities for cheating are simply grandiose, but there is a good antidote - looking at the sheets with the correct answers to the exam ticket (one theoretical question and 3 problems), I first ask what these symbols and letters mean, and then I give a simple problem that I have invented (of course , on the Internet it is not) and I ask you to do it with me. After that, everything becomes clear. And objectively.
              1. kalibr
                5 December 2020 17: 59
                +1
                I also did the same for my students on PR and advertising. But college entrance is different ...
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 5 December 2020 18: 03
                  +1
                  Why did people get tired after 25-30? The level of knowledge is established quickly. And entering a university is the same, why take someone who does not have elementary knowledge, he will not be able to study.
                  1. kalibr
                    5 December 2020 18: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    why take someone who has no basic knowledge, he will not be able to learn.

                    What about the recruitment plan? And money? A "list". Maybe you are allowed to do everything there, but at the Polytechnic we had a rather tough ... system. If he is unable to study, we will expel him, but we will leave the money. He wants to recover, has changed his mind - pay. You are like the first time in our school. Or is it all wrong with you? If yes, then congratulations!
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 5 December 2020 19: 51
                      +2
                      I don't care deeply about the "dial plan" and "list". I am a part-time worker, albeit the head of the department. I have a place to work, for this work, and I prepare people, although the department does not graduate. And everything gets away with it, because I can quit, and no one will be quickly found in my place. And they won't find it for a long time either. They can appoint someone, but they are afraid of subsequent failure. There are people in the dean's office who tremble for the "recruitment plan", etc., but I am not one of them. I have been in our VS for 30 years, I wrote about this.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 6 December 2020 08: 24
              0
              I already wrote that applicants then turn into employees. Nothing will come of the "naturally shy" ones - let him get rid of shyness first. It's not as difficult as it sounds. We have different specialties with you. The conversation is pointless.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 5 December 2020 23: 54
        0
        The author of the Unified State Exam is greatly mistaken, believing that the check there is objective. The exam is a set of tests, nothing more. Another thing is that now it will not be possible to return to the previous assessments of knowledge, there is no one to examine.

        Have you seen these "tests" yourself?
        Unified State Exam Mathematics 2021.
        Try to guess the answer. laughing





        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 6 December 2020 08: 25
          0
          And what, is it unsolvable? Can you give Lidsky's problem book (entrance tickets to MIPT in mathematics) for comparison?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 6 December 2020 09: 26
            0
            And what, is it unsolvable? Can you give Lidsky's problem book (entrance tickets to MIPT in mathematics) for comparison?

            Solvable. But not guessed.

            Those who criticize the USE think that these are tests in which you need to choose the correct answer from several.
            And this is just a WRITTEN EXAM.
            In the second part of the exam in Russian, you need to write an essay, for example. wink

            And like any written person, he is objective.
            Nowadays, if you return the oral, teachers will start to buy without exception. laughing
  20. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 4 December 2020 20: 01
    +4
    Quote: Cowbra
    Further, again about the exam. 5 minutes of live communication, I'll tell you if the student understands chemistry and can speak English at least a little. The exam will pass the ass, stupid cramming.

    My daughter passed the exam in chemistry by 100 points. Was in prizes at the regional Olympiad. Such simple cramming does not work.
    I studied German at school and university. Now I read technical texts in English in my specialty practically without a dictionary. But I have no idea how to pronounce it. So, I don't know English.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 4 December 2020 20: 13
      +3
      If you master the subject, then the exam is easy. But you can prepare for the exam by coaching, and also pass it without understanding the subject. When studying this subject at the university, such multi-point students have insurmountable obstacles. I know firsthand, as I read general physics at the institute.
    2. Imobile
      Imobile 4 December 2020 20: 27
      -4
      Congratulations! What is good about the exam, I know that your girl knows chemistry well. In the USSR, if there was 5, it is not a fact that he knew at least something from the subject.
  21. Grif
    Grif 4 December 2020 20: 03
    +3
    I recognized the author from the first sentence. Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Your articles warm the soul.
  22. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 4 December 2020 20: 19
    +1
    Quote: Aviator_
    The exam is a set of tests, nothing more.

    For a long time, at least in mathematics, not a set of tests. but a set of quite common tasks where you need to write an answer. Problems in category "C" are very difficult.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 4 December 2020 22: 56
      +3
      Problems in category "C" are very difficult.

      First, not really. At the level of Goldfarb's problem book (I'm talking about physics). There are not many of them (category C). And they do not reach the level of the Kozel (physics-technical problems) at all. The rest is a suite of tests.
  23. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 4 December 2020 20: 31
    +1
    Quote: orcinus
    Write, better, the following article about the dropout rate after the first session and first year of study.

    The general level of applicants to universities has dropped dramatically. This year my wife's nephew entered the Physics Faculty of Voronezh State University, having collected 140 POINTS from THREE exams. THIS POC has no words what awaits us.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 5 December 2020 11: 45
      -1
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      I entered the Physics Faculty of Voronezh State University, having typed 140 POINTS from THREE exams.

      Looks like such a university. Not very, let's say, advanced. In a good university the "budget" was worth 285 points last year, or even higher. We, in some faculties of YSU, could enter the budget with 215 - 220 points.
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      THIS POC has no words what awaits us.

      It is clear that. All waiters will be certified ... But the PPC will be, although it is already observed, in the professions of the working grid - welders, locksmiths, turners and other irreplaceable specialties in the industrial society. The state is ready to pour a lot of money into shipbuilding, for example, but there is no one to cook ship hulls. Something like this....
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 6 December 2020 00: 33
      0
      enlighten plz. what is 140 for 3 exams?
      When I entered - mathematics physics essay - depending on the specialty - 4. 4. and 3 was enough in most technical universities. 4.4.5 - this is already the cream in the old universities
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 December 2020 08: 43
        0
        Quote: kitty
        enlighten plz. what is 140 for 3 exams?

        Apparently, your children have not yet had to take the exam. laughing The essence of this figure is as follows: upon admission to the competition, three subjects are taken into account, in which the Unified State Exam was passed. Usually it is Russian + two specialized. For example, for the humanities (legal direction) history and social studies. The maximum score for the exam is 100. So in the university we are talking about, it was necessary to score 140 points from three subjects, so that in all of them at least 45 (this level is indicated in the rules for admission to the university), according to the early scale - that something about 3 points. In good universities, this score can go up to 280-290 and higher. Only a few out of a million graduates manage to get 300 for the USE. For a score higher than 95-98 in one subject, you need to seriously "sweat", and here, without additional preparation - nothing. It should be borne in mind that our assessment of "5" corresponds to mathematics - 66, Russian - 73, foreign language - 85, etc. So count it.
  24. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 December 2020 20: 32
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    Strong belief that this was done on purpose. Before the whole world: the language is there. And at the same time it seems to be gone. But no - it is scary to leave ... But imagine if the language was taught perfectly? The number of those who fled from the USSR would have increased significantly!

    I know people who went to the States with different levels of language proficiency. Everyone has adapted.
  25. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 December 2020 21: 21
    +1
    I always wanted to understand. And what is a special school ...
    Perhaps special people come out from there ...
    I began to study English more or less intensively already after graduating from schools and colleges. And it is paid.
    Then (it was '90) I was informed that this is IMPORTANT for the further development of my life. I will say moreover, even then (for further development) it is necessary to navigate in the accounting department! And I have successfully learned these questions as well.
    Today we have the following.
    No English / accounting was of any use to me in this life.
    But the methods of cold / hot straightening of planar and volumetric sections are absolutely necessary for me.
    And I have no experience and knowledge in this matter. You have to learn on the go. While there is someone.
    Such a squiggle.
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 4 December 2020 21: 47
      +1
      Usually this is what higher education is intended for. Good luck.
      Until recently, I also did not know what g-code and milling features are, but I am slowly mastering it.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 5 December 2020 16: 18
        +1
        Absolutely no "tower" is needed here.
        This, I am for editing the designs.
        Here you need experience in working with hardware. And understanding what, how and why can behave this way ... No institute will teach this.
        After graduation, Comrade Vlad works for us as a welder's apprentice.
        Certification before the new year will not pass (there is a great suspicion) - he will be fired. request
      2. Altona
        Altona 6 December 2020 18: 00
        +2
        Quote: Ua3qhp
        Until recently, I also did not know what g-code and milling features are, but I am slowly mastering it.

        -----------------------------
        Higher education is not needed here at all. You just need an understanding of metalworking technology. And the G-code is just a description of part of the operation and is not very complex.
        1. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 6 December 2020 19: 45
          0
          Certainly not difficult, about how to program a calculator, figured it out.
          The main thing is to understand what to do.
    2. Altona
      Altona 6 December 2020 18: 04
      +3
      Quote: Benzorez
      No English / accounting was of any use to me in this life.

      ---------------------------
      Insofar as they are needed for general development, for some ideas about the movement of funds (boo) and communication (English), but certainly not enough to study this matter thoroughly and clog the brains. And exactly the same people leave a special school as from an ordinary one. The only thing that matters is the ability for further learning and perception. English in the Soviet school was not allowed to talk, but to read technical literature, basically.
  26. orcinus
    orcinus 5 December 2020 00: 56
    -1
    I sit here thinking, thinking, I can’t sleep. This is me about the assessment of the moral and intellectual capabilities of the proletariat in the article. Here's something my father, the son of a worker and storekeeper, who began their journey in the Second World War as a ZK from an unnamed UZh, became an assistant professor and candidate of medical sciences. in Soviet times. But the former teachers of the history of the CPSU, etc. from my entourage (and there are 4 of them - the parents of my acquaintances and friends) all "unexpectedly" became progressive people, talented businessmen with not sickly initial capital (because in the late 80s they were Komsomol leaders at factories). This is information for the author to think about. And then the line between a simple discussion and the transition to personalities with an insult is erased once or twice. We, ksati, already communicated in absentia last year. There, too, the life-motive slipped by that "humanities" - the basis of the universe - not everyone is given to understand. With respect to the author!
    1. kalibr
      5 December 2020 06: 45
      +1
      Quote: orcinus
      But the former teachers of the history of the CPSU, etc. from my entourage (and there are 4 of them - the parents of my acquaintances and friends) all "unexpectedly" became progressive people, talented businessmen with not sickly start-up capital (because at the end of the 80s they were Komsomol leaders at factories).

      So after all the humanities ... This is first of all, eh?
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 5 December 2020 13: 05
        +2
        Let's model virtuality. The apocalypse has occurred. There are three people left on Earth, one girl and two men. You need to continue the race. One of these men is a humanist, in the broad sense of the word, an intellectual in general, another uncouth dork, with three classes of education, who has not read books, but who can build a hut without nails, with one ax, and get fire, and "take" the beast to strip the skins from him and sew shoes, clothes, and so on. Who will the girl leave with?
        The prestige of the profession and occupation determines the development of society, the development of civilization, and if the usual conveniences collapse, everything changes exactly the opposite. And the one who can do something with his hands, at least catch fish from the river, on a simple branch broken off from a tree, acquires tremendous weight and significance.
        1. kalibr
          5 December 2020 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: Ezoterik
          Who will the girl leave with?

          The girl will come with me. Because at night I will stab him, having proved to him in the daytime my complete uselessness and his complete superiority. It will be enough for him to look at me to feel his significance. Such a pleasure, yes ... for the time being.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 6 December 2020 00: 48
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Ezoterik
            Who will the girl leave with?

            The girl will come with me. Because at night I will stab him, having proved to him in the daytime my complete uselessness and his complete superiority. It will be enough for him to look at me to feel his significance. Such a pleasure, yes ... for the time being.
            How to get food? - who will get food? ...
            Intellectuals - they know everything, but they don't know how nothing yes
            1. kalibr
              6 December 2020 07: 49
              0
              Knowledge is the basis of learning. She will try and learn. You cannot only learn what you don’t know. The main thing is that the girl will be mine, and everything else will follow!
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 6 December 2020 14: 16
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                Knowledge is the basis of learning. and everything else will follow!
                Russian national football team players знают how to play football ...
                And the result of them Knowledge we all know (when the Victory in the World Championship will be attached to knowledge ?).
                1. kalibr
                  6 December 2020 18: 08
                  +1
                  Winning championships is one thing, playing simply is another. There is no need to strive to get an elephant, the girl can be fed with rabbits.
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 6 December 2020 18: 30
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Winning championships is one thing, playing simply is another.
                    1) A footballer is hired = hired - no Victory = no Profit ... Just playing football = just going for a walk in the park.
                    Quote: kalibr
                    There is no need to strive to get an elephant, the girl can be fed with rabbits.
                    2) YOU are sure that rabbits They will voluntarily feed YOU and "your girlfriend" with their meat ... And in case of meeting with predator - just agree...
                    Quote: kalibr
                    having proved to him in the daytime his complete uselessness and his complete superiority. It will be enough for him to look at me to feel his importance.
                    Also, do not forget to provide the girl with living space - to build a hut, ... or agree with the cave lion so that the lion would give up his cave to YOU ​​... yes
              2. Altona
                Altona 6 December 2020 18: 08
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                Quote: kalibr
                The main thing is that the girl will be mine, and everything else will follow!

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                Which means "I will pass on my seed and become an alpha male." How simple it turns out. laughing
          2. Niel-le-Calais
            Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 01: 28
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            Quote: kalibr
            Because at night I will slaughter him

            Quote: kalibr
            Such a pleasure, yeah

            that is, you will kill humanity with your own hands ... for fun.
            2 men and one woman dramatically increase the chances of humanity to survive than one man and one woman. (If she still cannot give birth, or give birth to few children, everyone is kapets)
            In general, humanity will die out only because the most educated decided for the sake of pleasure and competition to finish off a competitor. It seems natural, but absolutely unreasonable.
            It is logical to expect this step from him.
            Then I'll root for the girl. So that she "lost" everyone
            1. kalibr
              6 December 2020 07: 53
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              Quote: Niel-le-Calais
              2 men and one woman dramatically increase humanity's chances of survival,

              I sneezed at your humanity ...
          3. Altona
            Altona 6 December 2020 18: 06
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            The girl will come with me. Because at night I will stab him, proving to him in the daytime my complete uselessness and his complete superiority.

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            What a horror. I thought you were a sophisticated humanist and nerd. laughing laughing And you ekosya, on a man with a knife. But what about humanistic ideals? laughing laughing
            1. kalibr
              6 December 2020 18: 09
              +2
              Quote: Altona
              But what about humanistic ideals?

              And I sneezed at them, as if they supported them ... And why is it necessary with a knife? Blood can stain the bedding. A hammer in the head and a corpse into the water ...
          4. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 6 December 2020 18: 29
            +3
            Severely. And not humane. But...
            Not athletic to the heap.
            I thought better of you. hi
            Although ... Himself the same.
            But, it is necessary to crackle for humanism! This is said to be important today.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 6 December 2020 00: 05
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          Let's model virtuality. The apocalypse has occurred. There are three people left on Earth, one girl and two men. You need to continue the race. One of these men is a humanist, in the broad sense of the word, an intellectual in general, another uncouth dork, with three classes of education, who has not read books, but who can build a hut without nails, with one ax, and get fire, and "take" the beast to strip the skins from him and sew shoes, clothes, and so on. Who will the girl leave with?
          The prestige of the profession and occupation determines the development of society, the development of civilization, and if the usual conveniences collapse, everything changes exactly the opposite. And the one who can do something with his hands, at least catch fish from the river, on a simple branch broken off from a tree, acquires tremendous weight and significance.

          You have modeled virtuality for a man.
          But REALITY is geared towards Shpakovsky.
          The world is ruled not by brutal men with axes, but by pot-bellied bankers with fountain pens.
          A smart girl will choose a banker.
          Or, at worst, a writer of articles on VO.
          At least he wouldn't stink and bang her drunk.laughing
          1. kalibr
            6 December 2020 07: 51
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            Quote: Arzt
            But REALITY is geared towards Shpakovsky.
            The world is ruled not by brutal men with axes, but by pot-bellied bankers with fountain pens.
            A smart girl will choose a banker.
            Or, at worst, a writer of articles on VO.
            At least he wouldn't stink and bang her drunk.

            In-oh-from! You correctly understand the realities of life!
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 6 December 2020 14: 20
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            Quote: Arzt

            But the REALITY
            The world is ruled not by brutal men with axes, but by pot-bellied bankers with fountain pens.
            A smart girl will choose a banker.
            laughing
            А children the girl will have from security chief yes
        3. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 01: 30
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          Quote: Ezoterik
          one girl and two men

          anecdote about a stewardess ...
          But in reality it all depends on the girl ... And the men can kill each other ... for the female then ...
          and their minds will not remember the role of everyone in the future ..
  27. Hagen
    Hagen 5 December 2020 11: 35
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    There was more freedom, and the "Rusichka" became the class teacher. She came to the class, lifted us all up and scolded us for about 15 minutes “standing up” for poor performance and behavior. Well, for the rest of the time, there was a lesson in the Russian language or literature. And in the end I slipped into triples in most subjects.

    Once reading past impressions of the Soviet school, I remembered an article about Eton College, a boarding school for boys, including royal blood. Until the early 80s of the last century, discipline was maintained there with very harsh measures, up to corporal punishment. This is how the elite that today commands Europe was brought up. Today they do not beat off the butts of the pupils with rods and canes, but they still keep them in "hedgehog" mittens. Again, this is an institution where children of the upper class of England study and some "come in large numbers", but are able to study in the same rhythm with the locals. No almond of liberality. And yes, the word of the teacher or tutor is the law for the student and his parents. Those who are against - to the exit. And we groan about the overload of the program of our school ... You can break spears about teaching methods, etc. But we must understand that not a single technique will work if there is an unpunished opportunity to skip the lesson or not fulfill the teacher's task. I would say more, if the money spent by the state on the education of the student is wasted due to the negligence of the student and his parents, then it is not a sin to keep this money from them. Do you want to study for free, at the expense of the state? Please, but study really, diligently, and mom and dad are obliged to delve into the child's work and provide all possible assistance.
    1. kalibr
      6 December 2020 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      Please, but study really, diligently, and mom and dad are obliged to delve into the child's work and provide all possible assistance.

      The truth has spoken by your mouth!
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 December 2020 08: 23
        -1
        Quote: kalibr
        The truth has spoken by your mouth!

        Thank you for your kind words! These thoughts have been tested by practice and are confirmed by the gold medals of both children. And without tutors. Not that I want to boast of their successes, although this is warm too. I want to say that SUCCESS IS POSSIBLE, and not only in large cities with a full set of infrastructure, but also in small, almost 30-40 thousand villages. And, most importantly, without any "untold money", everything is within the normal educational process, in a regular secondary school. University preparation is a different song. wink
        1. kalibr
          6 December 2020 18: 13
          +3
          And you boast! There is nothing shameful in this! The children were well "done", well prepared - honor and praise to you!
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 6 December 2020 21: 09
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            Quote: kalibr
            And you boast!

            Thanks again!!! And yet, instilling hope in your strength, in the ability to build the future of children is much more important. I was able, so both you and others can. There is nothing worse than discouragement. Not for nothing in Russia it was one of the main sins. The ability to help at least one overcome it already justifies this whole discussion.
  28. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 5 December 2020 11: 49
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    All people, at heart, want to know other languages. In vain they started to build the Tower of Babel.
  29. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 5 December 2020 12: 50
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    Quote: Hagen
    Looks like such a university. Not very, let's say, advanced.

    This is not such a university, but this specialty is so unpopular, everyone wants to be lawyers and some doctors, but physicists in any way, fast income is not expected.
  30. vanNormayenn
    vanNormayenn 5 December 2020 21: 44
    +2
    I studied in an English special school according to the same program as the author.
    Language - from the 2nd grade. With a mirror at first, older - lingophone study
    Geography of the parts of the world - 6th grade. Parts of the World, latitudes and longitudes, etc.
    English literature - grades 8-9. Geoffrey Chaucer - The Dawn of English Literature, etc.
    American Literature - Grade 10. Because I could not stop for Death etc.
    Technical translation - grades 9-10. But there was no military translation.

    After school, I practically did not study the language (the university does not count). But when, 20 years later, he left for the States, there were practically no problems with the language.
  31. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 6 December 2020 01: 22
    -1
    The uprising of the "yellow bands". Somehow I could never comprehend the deep meaning of this picture. And I'm not alone. And if so, then ... why insert it into the textbook?

    Resistance.
    Class (according to the level of weapons and equipment)
    "Ours" are the oppressed, poorly armed.
    Illustrations should give birth to images.
    If they are incomprehensible (and historical pictures are really incomprehensible to modern people or are poorly understood, caricatures), then you need to make them understandable. Here are visual drawings.
    These are lessons for children. Not specialists. Children without understandable images will find it difficult to describe what they do not understand.