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Why did the Soviet civilization die

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Why did the Soviet civilization die

The Russians had a great chance to take over the Western world - the world of slave owners and slaves, the world-inferno. Direct history of humanity along the branches of a continuous scientific and technological revolution and space expansion. We did not have a way back to the pre-communist agrarian and raw material periphery of the capitalist. There was no way to the core of the capsystem, the metropolis - the "golden billion". Only forward - into cosmic distances. The beautiful is far away! The world of Efremov and Bulychev. Alisa Selezneva. This is the Russian way, the way of correcting world history and saving mankind.


Russian space


As we remember, the Second World War brought great misfortune to humanity. But every cloud has a silver lining. Leading powers at this time made a rapid leap forward in development. A real breakthrough in science and technology. Reactive aviation, ballistic missiles, atom, computer, spacewalk, etc. Stunning development dynamics. History flew forward. However, in the 1960s – 1970s, mankind was faced with a choice: to continue the leap into the future, to move into space, or to abandon development (and imitate it).

This issue was resolved in two superpowers - the USSR (Russia) and the USA. The rulers of America and the Western world in general decided to abandon the movement into space (except for the military and commercial spheres). The fact is that the creation of a new world was killing the old one - capitalism, the domination of a few “chosen” over the masses. Rapid scientific and technical development, space exploration led to the creation of a powerful class of creators, creators. The real elite of society - cosmonauts, pilots, scientists, designers, engineers, teachers, mentors, etc. The world of financiers-speculators, bankers-usurers and the consumer society were doomed to compete with the knowledge society of creation and service. Therefore, the masters of the West (the financial oligarchy) abandoned this path, condemning humanity to another crisis of capitalism, and then the crisis of humanity and man (payment for refusal to develop), which we are now seeing.

But the West's refusal from the dash to the stars meant nothing if the Union continued its space expansion. If the Russians went into space, the future, then involuntarily everyone else would have to follow them. However, the Soviet leaders after Stalin entered into an unspoken agreement with the West. The Soviet elite was also afraid of the rapid movement and relied on "stability". The USSR put its Mars flight programs under the shelter (Why Moscow refused to fight for Mars). Didn't even try to create a research base on the moon.

Efremov's world


How would the history of mankind turn if the USSR did not abandon its space mission? The Russians are flying to Mars. Unwillingly, the USA, Europe and Japan are throwing all their strength to catch up with us. History is changing radically. Colonization of the Moon and Mars begins. The second branch of cosmonautics - aviation, shuttle-reusable - is born and immediately becomes a powerful industry. People are developing atomic energy to use it in spaceships, research bases on the moon. Thermonuclear reactions are taking over. Planeships with nuclear propulsion systems are being designed. In the USSR, the USA, Japan and France, bold projects of a new, bullet transport are born. Screen-flying and airships, high-speed magnetic levitation trains, underwater nuclear freighters, spacecrafts.

Under the influence of space expansion, a lot of new technologies penetrate into human life, production, construction, transport, the organization of life and everyday life, training and education are improving. The union continues to hold the leading position in education. Advanced (and at the same time ancient) methods of physical education and hardening are being introduced, each generation of people is stronger and healthier than the previous one. Psychonetics, methods of awakening creative, superpowers are introduced into education. They are trying to copy the Soviet school in other countries of the world. As planned by Stalin, a 4-5 hour working day was introduced in the USSR. The rest of the time a person can devote to spiritual, intellectual and physical development, children. The society of knowledge, creation and service finally wins. New golden age of culture and art. A breakthrough in energy: the transition first to the energy of water, atom and fusion, then to the energy of hydrogen, wind, sun, waves and bowels of the earth. Significant improvement in the ecology of the planet. In Russia, an unprecedented, noospheric manor house-building is unfolding. Revival of the Russian countryside on a new level.

Biotechnology and nanotechnology are developing. Industry goes underground, robotization and automation. Factories are becoming automatic. Part of the production is transferred to near-earth orbit. Millions of people are being freed from the daily, bleak and often slave labor. But if for the West this is a problem of "extra" people. There is no problem for the Soviet (Russian) civilization. On the contrary, people are needed in a society of creation. We need educators and teachers-mentors for a new huge sphere of "human-building", cosmonauts, scientists, researchers, people who will restore forests and great rivers of Russia. Reenactors, archaeologists and historians, recreating the traditions of different eras of Russian civilization. For the development of the depths of the seas and oceans. This is a whole wonderful area of ​​application of human consciousness and energy.

Crime, as social vices based on drugs, alcohol, tobacco, drug addiction, has been practically eradicated. Any social parasitism is obvious and doomed. Old world, Western civilization in agony. The West is being reborn, receiving a new impetus for development. As well as the ancient East - Japan, China, India, Persia and the Islamic world. Communism, demonstrating the world of "Noon", is killing money-market relations. A spaceship, a station and a settlement on another planet is a miniature communist community. A world without money and capitalists, “the chosen ones”. Success is possible only in unity. This world is fundamentally killing the world of the "golden calf", predatory and parasitic capitalism. Free and strong people who have an excellent upbringing and education, thanks to tempering and physical culture, practically do not get sick, they live in their estates that do not depend on banks, housing and communal services, officials, they do not need financial speculators, or industrial monopolies, or bureaucracy, or any political parties. After all, all the benefits of life and wonderful technology, technologies are created by researchers and creators, and not by usurers and deceivers.

Giving up your way


In the West, they were very afraid that the Russians would follow the space route. However, Soviet bureaucrats and party leaders were afraid of the supernova Russia, since there was no place for bureaucracy and party domination in it. They preferred "peaceful coexistence" with the West, stable and consistent development, which quickly turned into a stagnant swamp and led Soviet civilization to the catastrophe of 1985-1993. In the USSR, the so-called "Big Deal" was concluded between the nomenclature and the masses. The upper echelons of the USSR renounce a principled confrontation with the West, a leap into the future, the transfer of power to the Soviets, and open the way to personal philistine happiness. The dependence on the export of resources begins to progress (the economy of the "pipe"). The years of "oil socialism" are coming. As a result, this will result in the privatization (plundering) of the people's wealth and the collapse of the USSR. The masses get the opportunity to become philistines, to join the achievements of the consumer society, without increasing labor productivity. Khrushchev also introduces egalitarianism. That is, the motives for increasing education, knowledge and skills are destroyed. When a simple low-skilled worker can get more salaries than an engineer or teacher.

Thus, the decay and decay of Soviet civilization began. Moscow falls into senile insanity, is afraid of innovations and takes the path of development "catching up" with the West. Thus, agreeing with the "lag" behind the allegedly advanced Western system. Predetermining our lag, controllability and predictability. The era of "stagnation" in the 70s and 80s began, which by the end of the 80s - early 90s would degenerate into an era of complete decomposition. When the top of the USSR wants to privatize the wealth of the state and the people, become part of the Western (global) elite. In the 1990s, Russia fell completely under the rule of marauders who threw society back into the past, into the new Middle Ages.

Inferno world


The West is a ghoul-vampire civilization. It is based on parasitism, the predatory exploitation of energy and resources of man and the planet. Hence the popularity of films about various predators, parasites and vampires in the West. The vampires in these films (for example, the "Blade" or "Underworld" film series) are a special, elite caste that parasitizes humanity. In essence, the artistic image shows the real role of the financial oligarchy, plutocracy in the West and in the world. It is interesting that in Ancient Egypt there was a belief that the soul after death descended to the west with the descending sun into the underworld, the afterlife (Amenti). That is, the West is the underworld, the world of the setting sun. The symbolism is very revealing.

When the Union, which even at the stage of "stagnation" was an advanced civilization, and held back the entire planet from outright degradation, fell under the blows of internal "rats" and external enemies, the era of the so-called. post-industrialism. The former republics of the USSR, including the largest fragment - the Russian Federation, became the periphery of the "golden billion", the outskirts of the "developed" world. A rapid archaization began, getting rid of the remnants of an advanced civilization, including advanced science, education, health care and industry. A rollback to neo-feudalism - the Baltic "barons" subordinate to Western Europe and the United States; Ukrainian principality first, and then hetmanate; the Transcaucasian and Central Asian khanates.

Degradation and involution (simplification) quickly covered not only the former Union, but the whole world. The only exception is China, which has adopted the best elements of Soviet civilization and is carefully studying Stalin's practical and theoretical legacy. The West, led by the United States, triumphed victories for a short time and plundered the wreckage of the fallen Russian civilization. The next crisis of capitalism (overproduction) came fairly quickly. The United States was unable to maintain its position as the only superpower on the planet. The balance was broken. Development was perverted when everything was reduced to only computers and mobile phones. The "new" economy of endless speculation and making money out of money or even "out of thin air" became the cause of the financial and economic crisis, which has already hit the whole world without exception in the form of the USSR. Liberal-market fundamentalism (if not to say fascism) triumphs with the division of people into competitive ("select") and those who do not fit into the market, "superfluous". A criminal revolution is taking place, outright evil spirits and trash breaks into power.

There is an extinction of scientific thought, the triumph of obscurantism, religious fundamentalism, Islamic and Protestant. On the other hand, the triumph of complete "freedom" - from morality, conscience, honor and family values. Two formations of “new barbarians” were born - religious obscurantists from various caliphates, who calmly cut the heads of “infidels” into cameras; and European-American "vegetables" that have been processed through pacifism and tolerance, the sexual revolution and drugs, the destruction of the traditional family and multiculturalism (plus the complete collapse of the classical school).

What's next?


Further, it will get even worse. There is no restraining factor in the world in the person of Great Russia (USSR). The time of complete domination of the inferno is coming. If someone thinks that recent years (like "damn 2020") are a failure, a deviation, then they are greatly mistaken. This is for a long time. Until the darkness triumphs, or it will not be rebuffed, like our great-grandfathers in 1941-1945, and red banners are hung in Brussels, London and Washington. Thinking people see that a "black" anti-civilization is finally taking shape in the world - a community of marauders, financial speculators-usurers, manipulators of consciousness. The shadow community dominating the masses of the "new barbarians." It conducts globalization, "digitalization" of humanity according to its own rules. Huge masses of people in the world are becoming "superfluous" (up to 80%). The globalists, the financial oligarchy, which is already ready for the transition to a new technological structure, with automatic factories, robotization and automation, with nano-, bio-, info- and cognitive technologies, no longer need masses of workers and employees, not only in Africa, South America and Asia, but also in the core of the "golden billion" - in Western Europe and the United States.

New technologies will make it possible to manage 1-1,5 billion people on the planet. Along the way, solve the problem of the upcoming environmental disaster and lack of resources. Some countries can be deprived of 90-100% of the population in general, due to their complete poverty and “non-competitiveness”. Here, medical terror during the "pandemic" works for the financial oligarchy. How to increase the immunity of a population was shown back in the USSR - mass physical education and hardening, less drugs, more movement and fresh air. Healthy eating, fight negative habits. Now the opposite is true. Isolation, immobilization, more medication and disinfection, which destroys an already weak immune system. Intimidation and stress further undermine health. From despair and melancholy people drink more, smoke, etc. The result is supermortality throughout the planet.

During the transition period, financial capital with its allies in the local elites will try to plunge as many regions of the Earth into chaos as possible. It's easier to manipulate people this way. What we are seeing. Colored revolutions and the Arab spring. The birth of the Black Caliphate. Massacres in Iraq and Syria. War in Yemen and Libya. The entire Middle East and much of North Africa is in chaos. Then a new cycle of crushing and destruction of the former USSR begins - the war and disintegration of Georgia, the revolution and permanent civil war in Ukraine, unrest in Central Asia, in Belarus, the bloody war in Karabakh. An attempt to “digitize” the Russian Federation (Gref-Sobyanin-Matvienko link). Europe is also under attack, where two leading trends dominate: further liberalization (liberal fascism) and nationalism with the disintegration of large states into parts.

As a result, financial capital will try to create a supranational, global power. How this is done, we saw in 2020 on the example of the WHO and the UN, when their recommendations, which destroy the economies of countries and undermine the health of the people, were implemented by almost all states. And attempts to resist and display common sense, like Lukashenka's in Belaya Rus, were harshly and swiftly suppressed (through an information boycott and denigration, a closed financial tap and organizing unrest through social networks). The dollar system will be replaced by a new global financial and settlement system, digital. Any state or individual who tries to go against the "main line" will be deprived of access to vital resources and become outcasts. In fact, as noted by the remarkable Russian historian and philosopher Andrei Fursov, a new slave system will be established.

As Viktor Tsoi sang:
“And I dreamed: love rules the world,
And I dreamed: the world is ruled by a dream.
And a star burns beautifully above it,
I woke up and realized - trouble ... ".
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  1. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 1 December 2020 12: 07
    +38
    The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 1 December 2020 12: 15
      +24
      It's not about slavish thinking. The USSR was doomed. The same Khrushchev-Brezhnev time is the time of the reign of political officers (political workers, members of military councils, nomenklatura political workers), who, due to their wretched way of thinking, a complete lack of healthy pragmatism and laziness, could not provide the country with stupid food and the most necessary consumer goods, but what was was poor and of low quality, they could not get out of the dead ideological templates, they reacted absolutely ineffectively to external and internal challenges, but they even helped a lot to the detriment of the Soviet people, all sorts of socialism-oriented regimes, whose leaders recently got off the palm tree and broke your tail.
      Red-footed political workers, this is me about the Khrushchev-Brezhnev communists, only those fanatically engaged in making mistakes in relation to the Russian people - they fed and nurtured all kinds of Georgian-Armenian and Lithuanian-Latvian-Estonian outskirts, raised and poured unthinkable funds into Soviet Ukraine, and hardworking and talented Russian people spread rot, and also lied and hypocrite .. scum.
      In central Russia, villages are without gas and often without normal hospitals, because during the Soviet era, gas was supplied and new hospitals were built for ragul and Baltic tigers, which all these ungrateful creatures forgot about. But now there will be no more such errors, I hope.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 1 December 2020 12: 25
        +3
        It is good that you distinguish between the Bolsheviks and the Communist Trotskyists like Khrushch.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 December 2020 13: 04
          +9
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)

          Do not confuse slaves with slaves! The slave is a creature that creeps before the master, but the one who dreams of taking his place and there is no worse master in the world than the former slave.
          Serfdom is a purely Russian "invention".
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 1 December 2020 13: 28
            +7
            The USSR lost the cold (ideological, informational, conceptual) war to the "collective west". As the saying goes, "there is no Allen Dulles doctrine, but it works." (C)
            CIA and the art world.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 36
              +46
              Quote: Tank jacket
              USSR lost the cold

              I disagree. The USSR did not lose. The USSR stupidly surrendered - the "bourgeoisie" led by Gorbachev and Yakovlev.
              Until now, all over the world the Soviet ideas of the USSR are in demand, from politicians to economists.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 2 December 2020 01: 40
                -2
                Brezhnev ruined him, Humpback is already like that. Before Brezhnev, all leaders at least tried to build communism, even Khrushch tried, because of his reason. But Brezhnev became the first bug in power, with the only thought in his head - to eat well and sleep well! That he himself, that his daughter. that the entire top - only for this and lived. Everything, the USSR was doomed as soon as this evil spirits climbed into power.
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 2 December 2020 05: 08
                  +12
                  yen
                  Cowbra - Destroyed the USSR - Khrushchev. His betrayal, the XX Congress, the denigration of the previous leadership of the country and the destruction of the smooth economy - all this ultimately led to the emergence of the "second Khrushchev" - Gorbachev, who completed the case of Khrushchev-1st.
                  In China, it is quite reasonably believed that their entire economic system is a direct development of the economic Stalinist system of the USSR.
                2. Silhouette
                  Silhouette 2 December 2020 19: 40
                  -6
                  The USSR was doomed since October 1917. Only you and Samsonov do not know this, for you have never read Ilyin, Bunin, Denikin, or other smart people. They knew it back then. And not only they, but many others who correctly understand what happened. And they were right.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 49
                    +9
                    Quote: Silhouette
                    The USSR was doomed from October 1917.

                    rare stupidity
                    Quote: Silhouette
                    For they have not read either Ilyin, or Bunin, or Denikin

                    but why did these smart ones lose their war and their Russia ?!
                    1. Silhouette
                      Silhouette 2 December 2020 19: 54
                      +1
                      Because the smart are always in the minority! They then saw and understood what was happening, and you do not know this even now.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 56
                        +5
                        Quote: Silhouette
                        They then saw and understood what was happening, and you do not know this even now.

                        Okay, Bunin and Ilyin, but Denikin had the strength, but it didn't work, or maybe the ideas were just not the right ones?
                      2. Silhouette
                        Silhouette 2 December 2020 20: 44
                        -1
                        Denikin's strength is 1 to 10 in favor of the fooled. There were more fools. They also "won". As it turned out 70 years later - ourselves.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 21: 07
                        +1
                        Well, he didn't have such a small army, but if you consider that the Red Army was blurred throughout the entire territory ...
              2. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 3 December 2020 01: 01
                +1
                Denikin swore allegiance to an Englishwoman who crap. Denikin is a clever traitor. The entire white movement was sponsored by the enemies of Russia.
          2. Piligrim
            Piligrim 3 December 2020 17: 59
            +2
            I disagree. The USSR did not lose. The USSR stupidly surrendered - the "bourgeoisie" led by Gorbachev and Yakovlev.

            Don't you find there is some kind of schizophrenia or demagoguery in this? It's like I didn't lose, it was the judge just raised his hand for putting me on my shoulder blades.
            Alas and ah ... to defeat a country in today's times, you just need to take out the brain of its elite and then ... "freedom is slavery" ©.
          3. passerby
            passerby 4 December 2020 03: 27
            +1
            Quote: Malyuta
            Until now, all over the world the Soviet ideas of the USSR are in demand, from politicians to economists.

            Name the politicians and economists who are in demand for the ideas of the USSR?
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 1 December 2020 17: 22
          +9
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The USSR lost the cold (ideological, informational, conceptual) war to the "collective west". As the saying goes, "there is no Allen Dulles doctrine, but it works." (C)
          CIA and the art world.

          When the "Cold War" ended, the USSR was gone. Only the name remained. The Union lost deafeningly to an internal enemy, but not to an external one.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 1 December 2020 21: 30
            +1
            My dear fellow, do you believe that the cold information ideological and hybrid war is over? Tell us about the Cold War since the time of Ivan the Terrible and still against Russia? What are the goals of the Anglo-Saxons in relation to Russia and the Russians? By what methods?
            Who is the Roundtable Group? Cecil Rhodes? Lord Alfred Milner ...?
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 4 December 2020 19: 59
              0
              Quote: Tank jacket
              My dear fellow, do you believe that the cold information ideological and hybrid war is over? Tell us about the Cold War since the time of Ivan the Terrible and still against Russia? What are the goals of the Anglo-Saxons in relation to Russia and the Russians? By what methods?
              Who is the Roundtable Group? Cecil Rhodes? Lord Alfred Milner ...?

              Is this, excuse me, a question or higher? Fuck you understand.
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 4 December 2020 23: 14
                0
                Is the Cold War over? Or is there a cold war? You claim to be over wassat Are you in adekvatee? wassat
          2. kalibr
            kalibr 2 December 2020 06: 28
            -6
            "if the Union continued its space expansion."
            We would not just put on quilted jackets, as Reagan said, but take off our last panties!
          3. passerby
            passerby 4 December 2020 03: 21
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            The union lost deafeningly to an internal enemy, but not to an external one.

            I can imagine the bewildered faces of the public when the judge in the ring, instead of declaring victory by knockout, begins to tell that there was no victory and the knockout was won not by the opponent, but by his wife and children, who distracted the loser from training.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 December 2020 13: 29
        +32
        Quote: Stroporez
        The slave is a creature reptile in front of the master

        At the present time, I have taken root from the genus of "reptiles" a lot.
        Quote: Stroporez
        there is no worse master in the world than a former slave

        That's right. One has only to look at the "top".

        Fireworks Stroporez! hi
        1. Civil
          Civil 1 December 2020 14: 09
          -1
          Why did the Soviet civilization die

          1. Because the ungrateful grandchildren of the Bolsheviks thought that the USSR would save their grandfathers for them in 1917-21 and the fathers in 1941-45 would save them in 1991.
          2. In 1991, the Bolshevik grandfathers had already left for another world, and they did not listen to their veteran fathers.
          3. The damned generation of youth of the late 80's.

          And what do you think, the children of these "grateful granddaughters" are capable of anything? lol ...

          Vladimir Vladimirovich! Twist these slaves into a ram's horn. Serves them right. Let them continue to grovel.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 1 December 2020 14: 07
      +3
      Quote: Tank jacket
      It is good that you distinguish between the Bolsheviks and the Communist Trotskyists like Khrushch.

      So Stalin or Trotsky? So who gave up the idea of ​​a world revolution?
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 1 December 2020 14: 09
        -1
        For Russia to burn in the fire of the world revolution to the delight of Trotsky and the Englishwoman Gada wassat
        Stalin, of course, is not Trotsky, an ice ax in his skull.
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 1 December 2020 15: 37
      +14
      Quote: Tank jacket
      It is good that you distinguish between the Bolsheviks and the Communist Trotskyists like Khrushch.

      If we discard empty chatter and mossy slogans, then the author of the article is our venerable
      Samsonov Alexander is a real Trotskyist!
      After all, he is an obvious supporter of the permanent revolution:
      Until the darkness triumphs, or it will not be rebuffed, like our great-grandfathers in 1941-1945, and red banners are hung in Brussels, London and Washington.
      This is Trotsky's idea in its purest and most crystalline form!

      Once again, reread the article. Lev Davydovich warned about everything that is written in it clearly and uncompromisingly:

      The regime of the proletarian dictatorship that was established in Russia after the October Revolution of 1917 laid the socialist basis of the state by nationalizing the means of production. However, the Soviet bureaucracy carried out a coup, expropriating power from the ruling class - the proletariat. The Soviet Union became a bureaucratically deformed or degenerated workers' state.

      Trotsky viewed the Soviet bureaucracy as a caste.

      As one of the reasons for the emergence of this caste, Trotsky in his book "Revolution Betrayed" calls the allocation of "privileged groups most needed for defense, for industry, for technology and science" in difficult conditions of undeveloped industry, pressure from capitalist states, lack of any assistance from the West. However, he notes that "Huge economic successes led not to mitigation, but on the contrary to the exacerbation of inequality, and at the same time to the further growth of bureaucracy, which has now turned from a" perversion "into a management system."

      “The Soviet Union emerged from the October revolution as a workers' state. The nationalization of the means of production, a necessary condition for socialist development, opened up the possibility of a rapid growth of the productive forces. Meanwhile, the apparatus of the workers' state has undergone a complete degeneration, having turned from an instrument of the working class into an instrument of bureaucratic violence against the working class and, more and more, into an instrument of sabotaging the economy. The bureaucratization of the backward and isolated workers' state and the transformation of the bureaucracy into an all-powerful privileged caste is the most convincing - not theoretical, but practical - refutation of socialism in a single country. The economy in a country like Russia will not be able to withstand the pressure of the hostile capitalist world, as well as the internal pressure of its own backward economy. "


      In Trotsky's opinion, in order to regain power and control over the socialized means of production, the proletariat must carry out a political revolution while preserving the economic basis of the Soviet state. Otherwise, the victory and strengthening of the power of the bureaucracy, which is increasingly expanding its own privileges and increasing social inequality, will lead to the restoration of capitalism.
      “The Soviet regime contains… horrific contradictions. But it continues to be the regime of a degenerated workers' state. This is the social diagnosis. The political forecast has an alternative character: or the bureaucratic bureaucracy, increasingly becoming an organ of the world bourgeoisie in a workers' state, will overturn new forms of property and throw the country back to capitalism, or the working class will crush the bureaucracy and open the way to socialism "


      He foresightedly warned us all from the distance, and he was right!

      The bureaucratic bureaucracy has neither stocks nor bonds. It is recruited, replenished, updated in the order of the administrative hierarchy, regardless of any special property relations inherent in it. An individual official cannot inherit his rights to exploit the state apparatus. The bureaucracy enjoys privileges through abuse.
      That is why the bureaucracy is striving to eliminate the gains of the October Revolution and the restoration of capitalism - it needs to legally secure its rights to property.
      .
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette 2 December 2020 19: 49
        -2
        Lenin, like Trotsky, wrote in their works for you, ignoramuses, that socialism is doomed to failure if it won only in one country. Only his utopian victory on a world scale could save socialism from death by a natural way of degeneration. Hence the International and the permanent revolution. Samsonov needs to delve deeper into the history of all 3 Internationals and understand its role and significance, and not write fantasy nonsense
      2. passerby
        passerby 4 December 2020 03: 33
        +1
        Lev Davydovich, in his theory of a deformed workers 'state, very accurately predicted how the USSR would end, but the only trouble is that his workers' armies also showed their complete failure and disintegrated much faster than the USSR.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 4 December 2020 08: 15
          +1
          If you are talking about the "Labor armies" of 20-21, then the transfer of entire armies to the position of labor from the very beginning was due to the need to preserve them for military needs, - practice has confirmed inefficiency the use of large combat formations that had a complex command structure, a large number of special and auxiliary units that cannot be involved in economic work. However, Trotsky clearly said about the labor armies:
          The recruitment of larger military formations inevitably results in a higher percentage of Red Army men who are not directly involved in production. Therefore, the use of entire labor armies, with the preservation of the army apparatus, can be justified only insofar as it is necessary to preserve the army as a whole for military tasks. As soon as the need for this disappears, it is necessary to disband the cumbersome headquarters and directorates, using the best elements of skilled workers as small shock-labor units in the most important industrial enterprises.


          The transition to a new economic policy, on the one hand, the end of the civil war and the gradual demobilization of the army, on the other, removed the issue of using military units for labor tasks from the agenda and the Labor armies, which had fulfilled their main task, were partially disbanded, and partially reassigned for their intended purpose. ...

          As for the USSR, it will only be created in 2 years. At this time, no one thought about him yet. hi
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    4. Cympak
      Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 12
      +4
      Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Bukharinites, cosmopolitans and who else is there? These are all the labels that some members of the AUCPB / KPSS pasted on other party members in order to remove them from power (with optional physical destruction). This is a power struggle and nothing more.
  2. credo
    credo 1 December 2020 13: 12
    +5
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    It's not about slavish thinking. The USSR was doomed ...

    I do not share your maximalism, but I also do not affirm the inviolability of the foundations of building the USSR.
    Probably, after all, taking the theory of Marx and Engels as a basis, the Bolsheviks could not answer or did not have the will to develop a system of views, goals and steps to achieve communism in a single country and the world as a whole.
    It was the absence of a clear program for building communism that led to the fact that the followers of the Bolsheviks, the communists of the USSR (the communists of other countries do not count) simply lost the ability to move forward and move their idea forward around the world, replacing real work with slogans and chants, slipping into banal philistinism and enrichment ... Applied to the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Komsomol, the saying is very well suited - the fish rots from the head.
    In this regard, the capitalists have both the goal and the program of achieving happiness clearly and specific - Get rich and find happiness, because money is the measure of everything in the world.
    By the way, in this regard, the current Communist Party of China is more like the capitalists in their affairs, with a sort of socialist trail, than a real movement towards communism.
    So, whatever the defenders of the building of communism and the revival of the USSR say, they must understand that with simple slogans you cannot lure anyone to paradise now, if you do not understand how to reach it and what needs to be done for this.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 2 December 2020 06: 32
      -2
      Read the novel "Red Star" (1908) by A. Bogdanov and ... there is an answer to this.
    2. Silhouette
      Silhouette 2 December 2020 19: 57
      -5
      Communism is a utopia for the ignorant and idiots. This is a pipe dream. A toy for idiots.
  3. Malyuta
    Malyuta 1 December 2020 13: 32
    +34
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    But now there will be no more such errors, I hope.

    You shouldn't hope ... Gas is mainly carried abroad, hospitals are closing ...
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    what was was poor and of low quality

    Yes, yes, it was poor and of low quality ... That is why now the demand for Soviet products has increased ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2020 15: 36
      -1
      “That’s why now the demand for Soviet products has increased ...” And what kind of products are these and who have increased - perhaps from collectors?
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 38
        +31
        Quote: Vadim237
        from collectors

        These are in demand for almost everything. Not only for the Soviet.
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what are these products

        From cast iron pans to military and space developments.
        The list is freely available. Instead of sarcasm, look on the Internet for a list of demand for products and developments of the USSR.
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 15
          +1
          You will also remember the "Book about healthy tasty food" and conclude that everyone in the USSR ate this way
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 2 December 2020 13: 29
            +6
            You will also remember the "Book about healthy tasty food" and conclude that everyone in the USSR ate this way
            In childhood (early, mid-80s), walking, we ran into the "Chauffeur's cafeteria" (that's what it was called), and the cook's aunts always sat us down at the table to feed us lunch (free). So, what was prepared and served in this dining room would now adorn the menu of any metropolitan restaurant. I think everyone can remember their favorite cafe or canteen (dumplings, diner, etc.) from the past, and how they fed there ...
  4. DrEng527
    DrEng527 1 December 2020 13: 34
    +4
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    I'm talking about the Khrushchev-Brezhnev communists, t

    read VIL on the national issue - this is his program was being implemented - at the expense of the Russians to develop other peoples ... request
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 38
      +20
      Quote: DrEng527
      read VIL on the national issue - this is his program was being implemented - at the expense of the Russians to develop other peoples ...

      What kind of nonsense are you talking about from the storage rooms of Gebels and the White Guards? fool
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 1 December 2020 19: 53
        +7
        Quote: Malyuta
        What kind of nonsense are you talking about from the storage rooms of Gebels and the White Guards?

        you do not hide your illiteracy behind demagoguery! bully Have you read the VIL "On the national pride of the Great Russians"?
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 2 December 2020 13: 32
      0
      read VIL on the national issue - this is his program was being implemented - at the expense of the Russians to develop other peoples ...
      I'm afraid that you probably did not quite understand (or understand) what you read ...
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 2 December 2020 14: 36
        +2
        Quote: 72jora72
        I'm afraid that you probably did not quite understand (or understand) what you read ...

        I'm afraid you haven't read VIL at all ... request
        however, I look forward to your comments on its text:
        "Great Russians cannot" defend the fatherland "otherwise than by wishing tsarism to be defeated in any war, as the least evil for 9/10 of the population of Great Russia, because tsarism not only oppresses these 9/10 of the population economically and politically, but also demoralizes, humiliates, dishonors, prostitutes them, teaching them to oppress other peoples, teaching them to cover up their shame with hypocritical, supposedly patriotic phrases. "VIL concluded an obscene peace - was it better to live 9/10 for Russians? Lied ...
        "And besides, Bismarck helped economic development, uniting the fragmented Germans who were oppressed by other peoples. And the economic prosperity and rapid development of Great Russia requires the liberation of the country from the violence of the Great Russians against other peoples - this difference is forgotten by our fans of true Russian almost-Bismarcks." You see - this is a different thing not invented now, but back in the days of VIL, .. bully
  5. Kronos
    Kronos 1 December 2020 13: 47
    +1
    The USSR tried to develop the whole country, and leave the fairy tales that everyone was fed and only Russians were offended.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2020 15: 47
      +2
      Unfortunately, this is true of the RSFSR, all 14 republics at their own expense and their materials, equipment and so on provided factories transferred to the territory of the republics engineers prepared electricity pulled gas oil and much more. The Siberian rivers were almost turned around for the benefit of the Asian republics.
  6. astepanov
    astepanov 1 December 2020 16: 06
    +12
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    In central Russia, villages are without gas and often without normal hospitals, because during the Soviet era, gas was supplied and new hospitals were built for raguli and Baltic tigers

    But already three decades have passed since the moment when the "ragulie" and others set sail - and where are the gas and new hospitals in the villages? But no. Now the authorities have new grandiose plans: not all oligarchs have yachts larger than an aircraft carrier. One must think that as soon as this problem is solved, there will be a hospital, a sanatorium, the Bolshoi Theater and a circus with horses in every village. Until then - "There is no money, but you are holding on" (C).
    Regarding the article: some Manilov dreams drawn from the famous speech of grandmaster O. Bender to amateurs from Vasyuki and from the depiction of VDNKh in the film "Pig and Shepherd". The author somehow forgets that in any school class, two-thirds of the idiots do not at all strive for "the creativity of the masses", and besides, they are organically incapable of creativity. And the construction of a rocket or the development of a nuclear reactor is possible only when for one good scientist a hundred people plow in mines, mines and in logging areas. I still remember April 12, 61, especially since I lived not far from the place of Gagarin's landing. So, on April 12, 1961: in my city, the regional center, there is no running water, no gas, no sewage system, there are barracks, quilted jackets and tarpaulin boots. Adobe huts are also found. The phrase "toilet paper" is associated only with newspapers - "Pravda", "Izvestia", "Trud". The shops are empty and after work everyone is busy with "creative work": they hunch back in the gardens and keep (in the city!) Cows in order to somehow feed themselves. The purchase of a school uniform by parents is akin to buying a car and plunges into debt for a long time. True, by the beginning of the seventies it became noticeably better, but the fairy tales that the author told did not even smell. Maybe he read the textbooks of scientific communism and the ever-memorable notebooks of the agitator?
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 1 December 2020 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: astepanov
      And the construction of a rocket or the development of a nuclear reactor is possible only when for one good scientist a hundred people plow in mines, mines and in logging areas.

      I do not agree.
      You can replace humans with robots.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 1 December 2020 19: 53
        +4
        Can. But for those who change people for robots, someone has to plow in mines and in logging. By the way, they began to break cybernetics over the knee not at all under Khrushchev, but even under the "leader of the peoples" - along with genetics. So the beautiful far, it seems, was not realizable. It's just that the scoundrels came to power for the first time not under Yeltsin, not under Gorbach and not under Khrushchev, and not even under Stalin. It seems that this is the genesis of our leaders: cruelty, deceit and illiteracy in the blood.
        Do not pay attention: I grumble like an old man. Jaundice.
        1. passerby
          passerby 4 December 2020 03: 46
          +1
          Quote: astepanov
          It's just that the scoundrels came to power for the first time not under Yeltsin, not under Gorbach and not under Khrushchev, and not even under Stalin. It seems that this is the genesis of our leaders: cruelty, deceit and illiteracy in the blood.

          What a sane view of reality you have, in contrast to 99% of the commentators present here. Just further, in the light of what you have written, the following question arises - where do our leaders and rulers come from? And they come from our fellow citizens, which means "cruelty, deceit, illiteracy", this is whose property ...?
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 7 December 2020 03: 55
            +1
            It is logical. Though it is unpleasant to realize it.
            It is much easier to blame traitors.
    2. Silhouette
      Silhouette 2 December 2020 20: 01
      +1
      Bravo, Alexey!
      1. passerby
        passerby 4 December 2020 03: 47
        0
        Quote: Silhouette
        Bravo, Alexey!

        A person has a very common view of the surrounding reality.
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 1 December 2020 20: 46
    +10
    The real elite of society - astronauts, pilots, scientists, designers, engineers, teachers, mentors, etc.
    Why did the author smoke? He can feed these tales to young people who did not live in the USSR, but we, who lived, remember. Apart from the party nomenclature, the elite were the store director, commodity expert, senior salesman, and warehouse manager.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ4UNE4DUO4
    In the Leningrad Institute of Soviet Trade, the competition is higher than in all sorts of universities and polytechnics, and in prestige right behind the super-elite MGIMO. My friend miraculously got a job at the VAZ service station as a master, and talked about the local approach to clients. Clients are "ticks" with which "brains are treated". Romanov, who is the first secretary of the Leningrad regional committee and a member of the Politburo, arranged a wedding for his daughter with the service of Romanov, who is the emperor, from the Hermitage. The guests, drunk, broke the dishes, the director of the Hermitage complained to the Central Committee, and there Romanov was only told, "Ay-yay-yay, don't do that again." And a few years later they took him to Moscow for a promotion, as the secretary of the Central Committee, and in 1985 he was Gorbaty's main competitor for the General Secretary's chair.
    Maybe if it had not been for Zhukov and Khrushch who killed Beria, but on the contrary, it would have been different, but doubtful. Stalin was a genius who made a basically inoperable system work, and gave it such an acceleration that it was enough for another quarter of a century. But, alas, geniuses of Stalin's caliber are not born in every generation. Even Beria overlooked the military coup under his nose, which cost him and Stalin his reputation, and Beria himself also his life, despite the fact that it was his duty, as the head of State Security, to identify and suppress. But this is another topic that requires a separate article, or even a cycle.
  8. cormorant
    cormorant 2 December 2020 10: 00
    +3
    I am far from a fan of the Soviet system, but it is simply stupid to judge it so primitively. They mixed everything, Khrushchev and Brezhnev ... horses, people. If it were not for the "red-fin" you would not have been most likely. The USSR was not doomed, behind every event in the collapse of my homeland there is a separate person who has a first and last name ... minus you.
  9. Eug
    Eug 2 December 2020 13: 58
    +1
    And they also lied left and right, hiding their unprofessionalism ... and how many Professionals they ruined ...
  10. vel1163
    vel1163 7 December 2020 03: 49
    0
    Moreover, in principle, nothing changes. The lack of competence of officials goes off scale both then and now. It's very convenient not to answer for anything, just write the correct reports. And stay on a salary, get bonuses. Probably that's why the Soviet system was curtailed. That the people's power was only on paper. Elections with one hundred percent turnout on an uncontested basis. Popolizi and chatterboxes were at the top. The best encouragement was work or a business trip abroad. They dreamed that if a person was freed from hard labor, he would create, invent. And now young people are not overloaded with work, so what? Where does she spend her energy: on clubs and on drugs, some on vodka.
  • credo
    credo 1 December 2020 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)

    Well, I don't know who you so dismissively call slaves, but even billionaires and millionaires, by definition, are slaves to their riches, in the presence of which they cannot stop in their thirst for even more.
    But it's not about the slaves and the article is not about that at all.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 1 December 2020 12: 28
      +2
      I didn't name anyone. Just raised the issue of human morality ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 December 2020 13: 44
        +32
        Quote: Tank jacket
        Just raised the question of human morality ...

        Moral...
        The Soviet state carried out sincere, paternal care for the younger generation. "All the best for children!" - under this slogan the state program for the protection of children worked.
        Children were provided with free nurseries, kindergartens, pioneer camps, sanatoriums, cheap baby products; pioneer, Komsomol ...
        All Soviet citizens had the right to free education in schools and institutes, to free treatment in polyclinics, in hospitals and sanatoriums, to cheap medicines and to receive free apartments from the state, including ridiculous payments for utilities, compared to today's ridiculous payments .. ...
        A new trend has been created in culture - socialist realism, to depict the heroic and selfless Soviet people, ascetics of faith in a bright future.
        Moral...
        In post-Soviet Russia, not only the political system and life values ​​have changed, but morality itself, the idea of ​​morality, the decency or dishonesty of a person has subtly changed.
        A mutual guarantee, a corrupt system does not fit in with morality ...
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 46
          -3
          Quote: Malyuta
          Children were provided with free nurseries, kindergartens, pioneer camps, sanatoriums, cheap baby products; pioneer, Komsomol ...

          lies ... they paid for everything ... and for the garden, and for the nursery, and even for the Komsomol - contributions ... request
          Quote: Malyuta
          for free education in schools and institutes, for free treatment in polyclinics, in hospitals and sanatoriums, for cheap medicines

          there was simply no medicine ... watch the film Crew - as ordered over the hill ...
          Quote: Malyuta
          , ascetics of faith in a bright future.

          especially the chiefs at the IVS - who received their salaries in envelopes ... bully
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 39
            +24
            Quote: DrEng527
            lies ... they paid for everything ...

            Dear chauvinist Vlasovsky, you were not taught as a child that lying is not good?
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 1 December 2020 19: 58
              +7
              Quote: Malyuta
              Dear chauvinist Vlasov, you were not taught in childhood that lying is not good?

              so you didn't live in the USSR? noticeable by your illiteracy and stupidity in these matters!
              For kindergarten and nursery in the USSR paid, as now! As well as for a change in a pioneer camp! "Cheap baby goods" "were a terrible shortage, I remember how my mother stood in line at GUM for 4 hours for a coat for me in grade 1 ... request The coats were heavy and uncomfortable - no comparison with modern children's clothes hi
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 1 December 2020 20: 06
          +9
          Quote: Malyuta
          All Soviet citizens had the right to free education in schools and institutes, to free treatment in polyclinics, in hospitals and sanatoriums, to cheap medicines and to receive free apartments from the state.

          I was the first (as a multi-child and every kind of leader) in line for an apartment for 12 years. During this time, the secretary of the party committee, the secretary of the director and someone else have acquired housing - now I don't remember. Say what I got? As for the sanatorium, I have never used it either. Medicines - if something really important, then you had to "get". And not cheap. As for study and hospitals, I think I agree with you.
          Quote: Malyuta
          A new trend has been created in culture - socialist realism, to depict the heroic and selfless Soviet people, ascetics of faith in a bright future.

          Are you talking about "masterpieces" like "Pig and Shepherd"? Lubok, a thoroughly false depiction of reality. But there were, of course, real masterpieces, especially in the literature and cinema of the post-war years. It is unlikely that now someone will write a book equal in strength to Simonov's novel "The Living and the Dead", or shoot a film like the Ballad about a soldier.
          And - yes, people were kinder and supported each other with deeds, not chatter.
        3. Hagen
          Hagen 1 December 2020 20: 38
          +5
          Quote: Malyuta
          The Soviet state carried out sincere, paternal care for the younger generation

          You have probably been living in this world for a very long time, so time has erased all the bad things, leaving only good memories and nostalgia for the time when "everything was possible." But these are all myths far from the realities of life.
        4. Cympak
          Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 30
          +6
          Everything was fine in the USSR, only "the people let them down, they turned out to be too small." The problem is that in the USSR the ideological postulates and the bright image of the ideal builder of communism were shattered by the realities of life. And they were, in terms of communist theory, typical "petty-bourgeois". A person is weak, and with a shortage of resources, he began to "drag him into his hole", spitting on ideals, because your family and your children are closer and closer.
          Here is an example with camps, sanatoriums, kindergartens, there was still a ticket or a direction to get. There were not enough places for everyone. Therefore, not everyone received, first the leaders, many children, honored, then close or useful to those who distributed these vouchers, and then everyone else.
          The USSR was a very social state, in order to succeed in it, you had to have "connections" in commodity bases (food, clothing, goods), in stores (shortage), theaters (ticket), hospitals (a good doctor), schools (good attitude learning children), etc.
  • Kart
    Kart 1 December 2020 12: 28
    +5
    This is called intraspecific competition. One of the basic conditions for the development of any species, naturally including humans.
    As soon as it stops, there will be no wars - everything will immediately begin to degrade.
    But of course, perhaps, in the distant future by biological standards, say, in 100 years, brains will gradually evolve to another type of competition - intellectual, for example.
    In the meantime, as expected, the communists did not succeed in creating a "new man" - the overwhelming majority of people still want to eat more tasty and live more comfortably.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 1 December 2020 12: 30
      0
      I agree with you, Kart. yes
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 1 December 2020 13: 09
      +11
      In the meantime, as expected, the communists did not succeed in creating a "new man" - the overwhelming majority of people still want to eat more tasty and live more comfortably.

      Yah? This means that lovers of tasty food climbed under tanks with grenades, lifted a war-torn country, flew into space, built nuclear power plants, created the great Soviet civilization? Somehow I don’t really believe it .. For, alas, the Communists did manage to educate a certain number of people of the highest human formation - a Soviet man .. And it is to them that our country owes its colossal successes. Why they failed to prevent a bourgeois coup and the degeneration of the elite is a separate conversation. But the main thing is that they were.
      1. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 1 December 2020 18: 32
        +2
        these are lovers of delicious devour ... raised a war-torn country, flew into space, built nuclear power plants

        Well, in general, in many ways, yes. Suddenly. Because there is, for example, such a concept as "deferred good". That is, a person "now" makes super-efforts in the hope of "later" at the cost of the efforts made to dramatically improve his own living conditions.
      2. depressant
        depressant 1 December 2020 20: 31
        +1
        Paul, they were killed in the war. Eight million of those who could.
    3. BAI
      BAI 1 December 2020 13: 32
      +7
      In the meantime, as expected, the communists failed to create a "new man"

      It was the attempt to create a "new man" in a quick, revolutionary way that led to the collapse of the USSR (at least, it made a significant contribution to its collapse). You can't make you happy by force. It was necessary to remake the state for the existing person (then the interests of the state and the person coincide, which has a positive effect on the life of the state), and not remake the person for the created state (then the interests of the person and the state do not coincide, and the state is doomed). This explains the complete indifference of the majority of the population to the collapse of the USSR. It just boiled. As in a family - for many years everything looks good, and then a divorce out of the blue because of a trifle (because you can't remake someone in a marriage, but you need to take the other half as it is, or not join into marriage) ..
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 2 December 2020 06: 41
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        It was the attempt to create a "new man" in a quick, revolutionary way that led to the collapse of the USSR (at least, it made a significant contribution to its collapse). You can't make you happy by force. It was necessary to remake the state for the existing person (then the interests of the state and the person coincide, which has a positive effect on the life of the state), and not remake the person for the created state (then the interests of the person and the state do not coincide, and the state is doomed). This explains the complete indifference of the majority of the population to the collapse of the USSR. It just boiled. As in a family - for many years everything looks good, and then a divorce out of the blue because of a trifle (because you can't remake someone in a marriage, but you need to take the other half as it is, or not join into marriage) ..

        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 80 and 20%
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 7 December 2020 04: 05
        0
        "You can't be cute by force." Folk wisdom.
    4. DmSol
      DmSol 1 December 2020 13: 42
      +2
      So you want to say that humans, in principle, are no different from chimpanzees?
      If it comes to that, then our civilization has no options to avoid a rigidly clan-class society (where normally it will be possible to exist only in the metropolis, and the rest of the world will be a giant Iraq or Afghanistan) - except for socialism.
      1. bondrostov
        bondrostov 1 December 2020 15: 15
        +6
        And the world and so, apart from the Western metropolis, it is in fact already one big Iraq .. Look the truth in the eye ...
        With pain I want to say, but we were defeated in the battle, BUT not in the war. But in the future there is a lot to reconsider and rethink in order not to lose again!
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 December 2020 15: 57
        +1
        Nature and its laws have not gone anywhere from man and will not go away, just as egoism will not go away. Do not invent any kind of communist socialist system.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 40
          +28
          Quote: Vadim237
          Nature and its laws have not gone anywhere from man and will not go away, just as selfishness will not go away

          Do you consider all people to be ordinary stupid animals capable only of consumerism and not of creativity and deeds?
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 37
            +5
            And the capitalists have created and are creating for themselves. And often more successful than the communists. The reason is simple - the laws of management are simpler, the ideology is less, the motivation is clearer.
            The reason for the collapse of the USSR is that citizens are tired of the daily cognitive dissonance: when you are taught one thing, but in practice it is completely different.
        2. DmSol
          DmSol 2 December 2020 17: 16
          0
          Well, let's compare you and the dude from the 12th century for example. Is there really no difference?
          1. DmSol
            DmSol 2 December 2020 17: 19
            +1
            The whole question is who to educate and how. If the state is faced with the task of educating consumers, then this does not require general free education. In the union, everyone was given a chance.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 1 December 2020 19: 56
        +4
        Quote: DmSol
        So you want to say that humans, in principle, are no different from chimpanzees?

        If people were what various philosophers / educators want to see them, etc., then we would have lived under communism for a long time, and without any revolutions.
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 39
          0
          And then the Huns (or other pensioners) would come and all the philosophers and enlighteners who stopped in the development were simply cut out.
      4. kalibr
        kalibr 2 December 2020 06: 41
        +1
        Quote: DmSol
        So you want to say that humans, in principle, are no different from chimpanzees?

        That's it!
    5. forester1971
      forester1971 1 December 2020 21: 04
      +1
      I agree with you. In continuation of your thoughts - the author of the article, in addition to the collapse of the USSR, touched upon another important aspect - namely, the problem of the further development of mankind as a whole, and not just individual countries.
      If you look at the nature of man, then we can say that man and humanity as a whole develop only when they expand. Earlier, that is, until the middle of the 20th century, expansion could be carried out within the boundaries of planet Earth, but in August 1945 it became clear that in the struggle among ourselves, our common home could be destroyed. And therefore, at the present time, the direction for the expansion of mankind, besides the frankly cannibalistic, is only possible - this is the development of first near, and then deep space. It is a pity that very few people understand this, and even fewer people who are doing something in order to make this dream come true.
      In general, you can write a separate article on this topic. I largely agree with the author of the article and many commentators - the USSR could be the locomotive of all mankind in the struggle for space (it turned out a little pathetic - but also a great goal). But unfortunately, for a number of reasons, both external and internal, the Soviet Union has become a thing of the past, and today's Russia will not be able to pull off such a goal, primarily due to the lack of ideology (the economy, with a clear and fair ideology, could be quickly restored ).
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 1 December 2020 23: 45
        +2
        You may be surprised that the people in the USSR dreamed of a separate apartment, their own car, a country cottage, a color TV, a VCR, a wall, upholstered furniture ... cosmonauts stayed for a year, only for a short moment distracted their attention from their "earthly" desires. Well, they also envied the cosmonauts a little more, who were given a personal "Volga" upon their return to earth.
        1. forester1971
          forester1971 1 December 2020 23: 57
          +1
          I know about the "earthly desires" of most of the people no less than you. But the conversation is not about them. And about those who could make decisions, about the so-called. elite. It is they who are the traitors to the dream. That is, they were just pretending to be the elite, but in fact they were the bourgeoisie, about whom you wrote.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 2 December 2020 06: 42
        -2
        Quote: Forester1971
        but the goal is great)

        And what is the use of it?
        1. forester1971
          forester1971 2 December 2020 11: 11
          0
          And what was the use of Yermak's conquests, of the discoveries of Dezhnev, Khabarov, Lazarev and other great discoverers? Or is the benefit to you measured by an extra kilogram of sausage in the refrigerator? Wouldn't space exploration be beneficial? Then we have different ideas about the benefits.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 2 December 2020 13: 26
            0
            Quote: Forester1971
            Wouldn't space exploration be beneficial?

            Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. Ermak - this is furs, yasak - they also had from Khabarov and Dezhnev. And Khabarov also knocked up a bunch of local women, so to speak, the gene pool updated. And who are you going to grow belly on the moon or from whom to take yasak?
            1. forester1971
              forester1971 2 December 2020 16: 44
              +3
              That is, you believe that humanity should sit on Earth and eat each other like spiders in a jar. In principle, there is nothing to talk about with you, if you think that the main thing is to knock up women and take yasak.
              In general, the basic sciences do not bring a quick return. Based on your strange principles, what does not bring instant profit is useless and harmful. I have no need to convince you, so further conversation is useless.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 2 December 2020 17: 59
                -1
                Quote: Forester1971
                eat each other like spiders in a jar.

                And that there can be no other relationship? And fundamental sciences and space flights are different things. For example, each launch of a US shuttle makes a 400 km hole in the ozone layer. What a hole our "kerosene stoves" make, I don’t know, but no less. And this is a direct blow to the diosphere. At one time, the Star Wars program failed not because of its technical problems, but only because putting all its components into space would require such a number of launches that they would eat up all the ozone over the territory of the United States. So much for the benefits of space ... We need to soberly assess the prospects for the possible return of fundamental science and empty pseudo-scientific curiosity. Of course, flights develop both technology and technology, but even in terms of damage to nature, one must look ... By the way, spent blocks of our missiles on heptyl (and this is a terrible poison!) Where do they fall?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 2 December 2020 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)

    It's hard to disagree with you!
  • zenion
    zenion 3 December 2020 00: 18
    0
    The Soviet Union came into being when it was necessary to grind up the West. But he appeared as early as the uprising of Spartacus. But he will come, he is already walking as a ghost on the planet.
  • SID
    SID 3 December 2020 12: 41
    0
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)

    Therefore, the plans for the establishment of communism were the main task - the education of a new person. It did not work to bring up a new person, the Union collapsed.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 1 December 2020 12: 10
    +22
    I cannot say how Western civilization will develop there, but it is obvious that the Russian Federation is rolling back into Newfeudalism. All the achievements of Soviet power have been trampled underfoot by the new government and it will only get worse.
    1. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 12: 29
      0
      Soviet achievements trampled on

      What do you want my friend, a revolution, a bourgeois revolution, and you don't need to say that it was a coup. Millions of sheep happily rushed into the bright sausage denim future. Country 404 with its lace panties just as always repeated our history in the form of farce.
      Regarding Newfeudalism, of course you are exaggerating, but the fact that the capitalist path will have to go through anew is for sure. If those who are now being killed by the Soviet regime read the classics carefully, maybe we would have lived under the USSR.
      1. tatra
        tatra 1 December 2020 12: 43
        0
        And these "rams" together with their "shepherds" have been bleating in a cowardly chorus for 30 years "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists to blame, and we have nothing to do with it, the USSR collapsed by itself, because it has rotted, and we have nothing to do with it, the USSR sat on an oil needle, oil prices collapsed, and the USSR collapsed ", and what kind of nonsense did the enemies of the USSR come up with to justify the seizure, dismemberment of the USSR, imposing YOURSELF in power that is beneficial only to them, they brag about how much they HAVE GOT.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 13: 06
          +13
          Quote: tatra
          and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame

          do not remember how dad ZY at 96 went under him?
          why didn't he take power ?!
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 December 2020 13: 12
            0
            And why do I need this rudeness, cowardly shifting the arrows from responsibility for the seizure of the USSR by the enemies of the communists to the fact that you, the enemies of the communists, after your seizure of Russia proved that you will never give it up to anyone peacefully?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 13: 36
              +9
              cowardly Zyu leaked the elections, he could take power but was afraid of responsibility
              By the way, how did I seize Russia, considering that I was kicked out abroad, as well as 20 million other Russian citizens of the USSR ?!
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 41
                +22
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                I was kicked abroad

                Who kicked you out? Communists or those who replaced them? That your "great strategist" will not bring you back?
                Why aren't you fighting for the right to be part of Russia? Maybe everything suits you? wink
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 18: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Who kicked you out? Communists or those who replaced them? That your "great strategist" will not bring you back?

                  he just returned, made it possible to obtain citizenship under the resettlement program
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Who kicked you out? Communists or those who replaced them?

                  do not remind in which party was EBN ?!
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Why aren't you fighting for the right to be part of Russia? Maybe everything suits you?

                  firstly, do not write about what you don’t understand, secondly, in the early 90s in the Republic of Kazakhstan there was such an attempt and your drunk again with all his might
            2. Merry_Militarist
              Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 13: 53
              +3
              Can you solve the question? And the communists did not capture the Russian Empire? The communists, I'll see, have enemies everywhere. "Syndrome of the besieged fortress" is straightforward.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 14: 02
                +5
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Can you solve the question? And the Communists did not capture the Russian Empire?

                for the sake of truth, they did not capture but picked up what was thrown by the first liberals
                1. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 16: 44
                  0
                  Listen, the legitimate government of Kerensky was functioning and acting then, what questions? Then did the Maidan pick up in 2013-14, what was lying around thrown by our corrupt friends? No?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 18: 32
                    +6
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Listen, the legitimate government of Kerensky was functioning and acting then, what questions?

                    Do you know any of Kerensky's cliques?
                    I’m already silent about the fact that their power was exclusively in the place where they sat and then ...
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Then the Maidan in 2013-14 picked up

                    and who argues the Rostov prisoner leaked everything himself
                    1. Merry_Militarist
                      Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 19: 37
                      0
                      Do you know any of Kerensky's cliques?
                      I’m already silent about the fact that their power was exclusively in the place where they sat and then ...
                      How does this cancel the illegality of the actions of the red bandits and usurpers?
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      and who argues the Rostov prisoner leaked everything himself

                      So how many fables were there about the "overthrow of the legitimate" by the evil Bandera junta? (just replace "Bandera" with "Leninist").
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 20: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Merry_Militarist
                        How does this cancel the illegality of the actions of the red bandits and usurpers?

                        which, in turn, does not cancel the illegality of the February coup and the usurpation of power, in fact, the main negotiator is the same UZURPATOR, only unlike the Bolsheviks, he was not able to retain power
                      2. Merry_Militarist
                        Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 22: 47
                        0
                        Well, firstly, the representatives of the insurgents in February were members of the Duma parties, which were CHOSEN, which means that they had a mandate from the majority. Is it worth recalling that Lenin's party was not particularly popular then? Even in the RSDLP? And secondly, the king-rag himself abdicated the throne.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 07: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Merry_Militarist
                        x in February were members of the Duma parties, who were ELECTED, which means they had a mandate from the majority.

                        mandate for what ?!
                        Quote: Merry_Militarist
                        And secondly, the rag-king himself abdicated the throne.

                        which does not negate the illegality of pressure on him to recant
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 20: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    So how many fables were there about the "overthrow of the legitimate" by the evil Bandera junta? (just replace "Bandera" with "Leninist").

                    once again is Yanukovych legitimately elected? !!!!
                    but Kerensky came to power as a result of a coup - ILLEGAL
                  3. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 22: 54
                    -3
                    Formally elected, roughly like the amendments to the 2020 Constitution, yeah,
                    And yes, so that you know, the Provisional Government, or rather the Provisional Committee of the Duma, was established by the Chairman of this very Duma, and he has more authority for this than Lenin and his merry company.
                  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 07: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Formally elected, approximately like the amendments to the 2020 Constitution

                    this is verbiage
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    The chairman of this very Duma, and he has more authority for this than Lenin and his merry company.

                    by no means, because the supreme power was obtained by CRIMINAL
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 42
        +24
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        The communists, I'll see, there are enemies everywhere

        And you have "partners" and "friends" everywhere. wink
        1. Merry_Militarist
          Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 16: 46
          +1
          Better a dubious friend than an enemy, you know. As practice has shown, the USSR did not hesitate to borrow money from the "bourgeois" and sell them oil / gas, and buy wheat from them. wink
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2020 20: 41
            +2
            there is a SMALL difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation, we produced a lot of things ourselves, but now if they really squeeze it, then even chickens will not be so proud of
            1. Merry_Militarist
              Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 22: 58
              -1
              Well .. this is not at all funny, since the beginning of the 60s the USSR was tightly held by the eggs, they would not sell you wheat and that's all - "effective collective farms" immediately put you on a ration a la Gulag. What was it produced in the USSR? Nice clothes? Shoes? Maybe toilet paper? Women's pads weren't even released ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 07: 27
                0
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Nice clothes? Shoes?

                be surprised, but much better than what we buy now
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Well ... this is not at all funny, since the beginning of the 60s, the USSR was tightly held by the eggs, they would not sell you wheat and that's it

                by no means, there would have been problems, but believe me, SIGNIFICANTLY less than now, and you probably don't know again, but the Union not only bought millet, which you are hinting at, but also sold
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Maybe toilet paper? Women's pads weren't even released ...

                everything is clear, YOU personally did not have enough female pads

                how old are you?
                p / s / when you use the terminology, I would like to study the meaning of these very terms firstly, the GULag is written this way, and secondly, it is the main department, and not the "zone" itself in the Gulag, no one was
              2. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 10: 34
                -2
                be surprised, but much better than what we buy now
                Yes, and that all the ladies and men stood behind the Czech boots / boots? And how much did these Soviet boots cost? 60-80 rubles? how is half the salary of an employee / worker? I do not know what you are wearing there, what is "better then". Personally, I wear the original American Nike, and I'm fine.
                by no means, there would have been problems, but believe me, SIGNIFICANTLY less than now, and you probably don't know again, but the Union not only bought millet, which you are hinting at, but also sold

                Of course I won't. Selling wheat? How, when nearly 40 percent of all bread was made from Canadian / American wheat? (In the 20s and 30s, he sold wheat to the USSR, when the Bolsheviks robbed the village and received total hunger.
                everything is clear, YOU personally did not have enough female pads

                how old are you?
                p / s / when you use the terminology, I would like to study the meaning of these very terms firstly, the GULag is written this way, and secondly, it is the main department, and not the "zone" itself in the Gulag, no one was

                And you don’t scoff, if you have a wife or a mother, imagine how they were "not very much" without personal hygiene items, hmm ... they will hear enough stories from all the Pykhalovs.
                As the saying goes, there is nothing to say - get to the bottom of the spelling (and you yourself write like Akhmed from the vegetable market), I don't care how you spell "GULag" or "Dalstroy" there.
                And here I am already asking the second sage like this, how does age and cognitive abilities relate? After all, you can be an old man, but stupid and not be able to write, for example, or you can be a young man, have your own point of view, different from a duroscope, and "small-town arrogant experts" - fans of the USSR, who sweep aside any arguments about the insolvency of that country, claiming that everything is to blame: "Again the enemies crept into the party, the absence / presence of Stalin, the CIA / NSA / MOSADA / Reptilian conspiracy from the planet Nibiru"
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 16: 29
                +1
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Yes, and that all the ladies and men stood behind the Czech boots / boots? And how much did these Soviet boots cost? 60-80 rubles? how is half the salary of an employee / worker?

                but do not specify how much shoes and clothes of THIS quality COST NOW?
                In addition, as always, people like you either compare salaries or what kind of garbage you need to compare all together, tell you how much they paid for communal services, etc., etc.?

                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Personally, I wear the original American Nike, and I'm fine.

                no questions, carry on
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                (In the 20s and 30s, he sold wheat to the USSR, when the Bolsheviks robbed the village and received total hunger.

                what an enchanting delirium, hunger in the village has been throughout the ALL HISTORY of RI enough to bear delirium, a small producer is NOT IN THE CONDITION TO FEED THE WHOLE COUNTRY
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                How, when nearly 40 percent of all bread was made from Canadian / American wheat?

                for now you are eating feed grain bread
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                And you don’t scoff, if you have a wife or a mother, imagine how they were "not very much" without personal hygiene items, hmm ... they will hear enough stories from all the Pykhalovs.

                you will be surprised but you lived normally
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                hmm ... they will hear enough stories from all the Pykhalovs.

                I lived then unlike you
              4. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 16: 52
                -4
                but do not specify how much shoes and clothes of THIS quality COST NOW?

                I took the original Nike SB Zoom Blazer Mid from the USA for about 8 thousand, if with our money. The quality is quite good.
                Yes, tell me that in the USSR there was a free communal apartment and a kindergarten, I'm very interested (no)
                no questions, carry on

                And you do not envy.
                what an enchanting delirium, hunger in the village has been throughout the ALL HISTORY of RI enough to bear delirium, a small producer is NOT IN THE CONDITION TO FEED THE WHOLE COUNTRY

                Of course, of course, they exported grain abroad, but at the same time there was a famine, but the population of Ingushetia was growing! Paradoxical! So which of us is carrying enchanting delirium?
                for now you are eating feed grain bread
                But you bought your piece of white from your enemy.
                you will be surprised but you lived normally

                "Normal" - it depends on what to compare, in comparison with the Papuans - normal, in comparison with developed countries - no.
                I lived then unlike you

                Well, they profiled their homeland, now there is nothing to blame on the mirror, your union left 110 billion of external debt to my homeland, they gave it back until 2006. They lived
              5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 18: 43
                +1
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                but at the same time there was a famine, but the population of Ingushetia was growing! Paradoxical!
                Africa has the worst hunger but the population is growing
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                But you bought your piece of white from your enemy.

                Are you comfortable in the pants and cross of the enemy? laughing
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                "Normal" - it depends on what to compare, in comparison with the Papuans - normal, in comparison with developed countries - no.

                be surprised but even with Europe
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Well, they profiled their homeland, now there is nothing to blame on the mirror, your union left 110 billion of external debt to my homeland, they gave it back until 2006. They lived

                you are mistaken, the Chubais have created a debt to you by plundering everything that can be learned mat part my young and not very educated friend
              6. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 34
                -1
                Africa has the worst hunger but the population is growing

                Yeah, but in America blacks are lynched. Essentially have something to say?
                Are you comfortable in the pants and cross of the enemy?

                Very comfortably! When such shoes are produced in our country, I will buy from ours. Well, and the United States to you, living in the realities of the Cold War, enemies are all around. But I do not.
                be surprised but even with Europe

                Albania ... any - also Europe, well, yes, well, yes. In addition, I wrote: with DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. When did the USSR live there better than Germany or France? Never.
                you are mistaken, the Chubais have created a debt to you by plundering everything that can be learned mat part my young and not very educated friend

                You write with errors, and I am an uneducated one? What a twist!
                Likewise with the debt, the Union occupied to maintain the pants, and Chubais is to blame))) Hello, we arrived)))
              7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 43
                0
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Yeah, but in America blacks are lynched. Essentially have something to say?

                once again in africa is there population growth?
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Very comfortably!

                then don't reproach anyone with bread
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Albania ... any - also Europe, well, yes, well, yes

                do you really think that everyone lives in Europe in multi-room apartments for 200 squares
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                You write with errors, and I am an uneducated one? What a twist!

                the last argument in the dispute
              8. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 59
                -1
                once again in africa is there population growth?

                You yourself stated this in your message above, and now you are asking me?
                then don't reproach anyone with bread

                Will. Did the American and Canadian farmers feed you, every 4 loaves out of 10 of their grain was delicious from the enemy's hand? "Communists".
                do you really think that everyone lives in Europe in multi-room apartments for 200 squares

                Do not ascribe to me your inventions, in Europe they live differently, but on average, the hospital is better than in the USSR / Russia. By the way, you haven't been to Europe either, how can you say anything? Ha!
                the last argument in the dispute

                It was you about my education who hinted, who pulled you by the tongue? And when they received a reply, they immediately gave it back ...
              9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 20: 09
                -1
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                You yourself stated this in your message above, and now you are asking me?

                you are not friends with logic either
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                Do not ascribe to me your fabrications, in Europe they live differently, but on average, the hospital is better than in the USSR / Russia.

                how do you know the average for the hospital
                Quote: Merry_Militarist
                It was you about my education who hinted, who pulled you by the tongue? And when they received a reply, they immediately gave it back ...

                education is somewhat different, you really don't know what you are arguing about
  • bk316
    bk316 1 December 2020 14: 22
    +7
    And these "rams" together with their "shepherds" have been bleating in a cowardly chorus for 30 years "and we have nothing to do with it all the communists are to blame

    Well, yes, but
    1. There are plenty of communists among them
    2. It was the communists who had the strategic responsibility for the life of the USSR. READ THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USSR.

    Therefore, "we have nothing to do with" - a lie. "the communists are to blame" is true.
    While serving in the army on principle, I refused to join the CPSU, and the feeling of responsibility for the death of the USSR does not pass. And it's a shame about 93.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 1 December 2020 16: 00
      +1
      Those whom you call communists were not. And the responsibility, or rather the power, they used just the same to destroy the Union.
      Why are you ashamed of 93g? Did you shoot at the DB? Legitimate Soviet Power?
      1. bk316
        bk316 2 December 2020 17: 49
        +1
        Why are you ashamed of 93g? Did you shoot at the DB? Legitimate Soviet Power?

        I didn't go to defend her. And he could, at least, the tanks on the bridge had no problems. But a small child, a young wife ...
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 2 December 2020 18: 06
          0
          I went, but there was nothing to burn the tanks with. There was not even a grenade launcher.
          1. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 37
            -2
            And there was nowhere to buy / drain gasoline, as luck would have it in Moscow, not a single car! What a misfortune ... and even a little freaked out, probably? Eh ... the enemies of communism have stolen all gasoline somewhere!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 50
              0
              Quote: Merry_Militarist
              a little freaked out, probably?

              but do not feel afraid to give your name, surname and address of residence?
              1. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 20: 12
                -3
                Oh, do you want to come to visit?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 20: 23
                  0
                  that's exactly what I wrote about, you yourself are a coward but accuse others of cowardice
                  when you have the courage to write in YOUR name, then you will reproach someone for not going to the barricades
                2. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 20: 40
                  -3
                  Oh how? I did not blame, but asked when a person is afraid, this is normal, in general. And I sarcastically over the topic "there was no gasoline" this is in the center of Moscow!
                  Maybe you still need to give you the key to the apartment, where the money is and the sweet granny?
                3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 21: 09
                  0
                  Once again, directly and specifically, will you name or further anonymously express your courage?
                4. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 21: 11
                  -2
                  Who are you to introduce me to you? Especially in public? For what purpose, I'm just wondering, it's not even scary, because people like you can only fart into the sofa.
                5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 21: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  Who are you to introduce me to you? Especially in public? For what purpose, I'm just wondering, it's not even scary, because people like you can only fart into the sofa.

                  that's exactly what I'm talking about
                  rudeness and cowardice, brave and say it MY opinion of Vanya Ivanova and I am not afraid to express it, I do not have the courage to say it quietly
                  and whether I farts into the sofa or not, you don't know, but in any case I am writing to you on my own behalf, and you will find my address on this forum if you wish
                6. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 21: 23
                  -2
                  I'm not sure if it's yours, but you can publish a scan of your passport, if you're bold. Your address is not interesting to me.
                7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 22: 26
                  -1
                  not sure, do not overtake, are used to lying do not consider others the same
                8. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 22: 29
                  -3
                  It's only the hussars who believe in their word))) Will there be a scan of the passport?
                9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 00: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  It's only the hussars who believe in their word))) Will there be a scan of the passport?

  • Essex62
    Essex62 6 December 2020 06: 26
    0
    Here you see what a situevina, in order to drain something and get close to the armor, I had to get out from where I was flying. Not a ride, no matter how. They laid them in accordance with all the rules, the density of the fire was not weak.
    Put your podkolochki in a known place. Of course it was scary when the tanks were out. Judging by your comments, you are a keyboard fighter. Millitarist, ha served though?
  • bk316
    bk316 3 December 2020 13: 45
    0
    There is such a place in Moscow Druzhinikovskaya street. There is a wall with the names of the deceased defenders of the White House. There is the name of my good friend. It would be time for the GDP to give a legal assessment of the EBN's crime. This would bring the line under the 90s much better than the landing of Hodor, the death of Berezovsky or the dismissal of Chubais.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 6 December 2020 06: 29
      -1
      Should the criminal authority confess that it is criminal? What are you saying?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 1 December 2020 12: 58
    +7
    Quote: bk316
    What do you want my friend, a revolution, a bourgeois revolution, and you don't need to say that it was a coup.

    Colleague, revolution is movement forward, and counter-revolution is movement backward. In addition, we actually have no trace of capitalism, the current system and way of life is difficult to describe in one word.
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 1 December 2020 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: Stroporez
      we actually have no capitalism at all

      But in my opinion, there is state capitalism in Russia. According to the Federal Antimonopoly Service, in 1998 the state's share was 25%, by 2008 it reached 40-45%, in 2013 it increased to 50%, and by the end of 2018 it was 60-70%. Putin believed that the state capitalist model was best suited to combat the oligarchy in the early 2000s. The concentration of economic power was to ultimately bolster his political power. He managed to do this. But without strong political institutions and an independent judiciary, we came to where we came. "More than 90 percent of state-owned companies in Russia are in a" gray zone. " auditors of the Accounting Chamber ".
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 December 2020 14: 38
        +5
        Quote: WIKI
        and at the end of 2018 it was 60-70%. Putin believed that the state capitalist model was best suited to combat the oligarchy in the early 2000s. The concentration of economic power was to ultimately bolster his political power.

        Colleague, if we discard the verbal husk, then there has been a redistribution of property and financial flows from one criminal group to another, this is how organized crime groups operate.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 1 December 2020 15: 56
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          there was a redistribution of property and financial flows from one criminal group to another,

          The criminal group has not fundamentally changed. Only the characters have changed.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 1 December 2020 16: 42
        +23
        Quote: WIKI
        And in my opinion, in Russia, state capitalism

        State capitalism was under Khrushchev and after him. And now the "flea market"
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 2 December 2020 00: 11
          +2
          Quote: Malyuta
          And now the "flea market"

          This is just a slogan. I don't like slogans. Could you give a more detailed description of the modern social system in Russia.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 2 December 2020 18: 11
            0
            And the rationale for state capitalism in the USSR. First you justify, and then the comrades will not leave stone unturned from these justifications. But interesting to the point of itching.
    2. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 14: 28
      +2
      Colleague, revolution is movement forward, and counter-revolution is movement backward.

      The word revolution has many meanings, read the dictionary, just for fun.
      In my commentary, I did not introduce any positive or negative meaning. That is, I used the following definition: a revolution is a radical change in the social order, supported by the broad masses of the population.
      Naturally, from the point of view of social science, this was a step backward. In my opinion, it is stupid to argue with this.
      We have capitalism, it's just at the stage of initial capital accumulation. All countries have already gone through this. Read the classics. laughing
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 December 2020 14: 45
        +3
        Quote: bk316
        Naturally, from the point of view of social science, this was a step back, we naturally have capitalism, it's just at the stage of the initial accumulation of capital. All countries have already gone through this. Read the classics.

        We found out that we took a step back from the point of view of social development good For 25 years, they plundered the country, spawning friends of oligarchs, under the guise of officials, took trillions of dollars out of the country and took everything from the population, without exception. Capitalism prudes some market relations, but there is a market in Russia ??? No! What kind of capitalism is this?
        1. bk316
          bk316 1 December 2020 14: 51
          +4
          .Capitalism podruzamevaet some market relations, and in the Russian Federation there is a market ???

          Well, how is it not? The labor market is - is. I just think that my salary is 10 times more than yours - the MARKET. The housing market is there. You can sell and buy an apartment. There is a foreign exchange market - you can even play internationally. The fact that there are many where the market is monopolized, so monopoly is one of the hallmarks of capitalism. So actually the oligarchs are about capitalism. There were no oligarchs under feudalism. Your social studies are hard. Read the classics - I advise you for the second time.
          Here's another tip about the food market ...... Where is so much inedible junk from my point of view - buy - produce - market.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2020 16: 10
      0
      In Russia, the market economy capitalism is an indivisible part of it. True, a curve with fraudulent beginnings will take at least another 39 years for everything to become normal in the West, since Russia lost 69 years in terms of the device and stepwise development of a market economy under the USSR.
      1. bk316
        bk316 2 December 2020 16: 48
        +1
        it will take at least another 39 years for everything to become normal

        Yes you are an optimist, my friend. Do you think we will be in Switzerland in 40 years?
        Is it that after living under developed socialism I can still look into developed capitalism?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 1 December 2020 13: 13
    +5
    What do you want my friend, a revolution, a bourgeois revolution, and you don't need to say that it was a coup. Millions of sheep happily rushed into the bright sausage denim future.

    Well, why lie? After all, those who remember how everything happened are still alive.

    Our leaders brazenly and shamelessly lied to us, declaring not a return to capitalism, but like the restructuring of Soviet power and the modernization of socialism. That is why everything went so quietly - no one could have imagined that we would be sold by our own leaders .. And it was just that a coup that had nothing to do with the true mood of the people ..
    1. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 14: 32
      +1
      Our leaders brazenly and shamelessly lied to us

      So it is absolutely unimportant, hundreds of thousands believed in this lie, and maybe millions actively supported it.
      You may not remember that, but I remember that. And these crowds are in the streets and around the White House.
      Hundreds of thousands is a lot, as far as I remember, more than the Bolsheviks were in 17.
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 1 December 2020 14: 11
    +2
    Quote: bk316
    Soviet achievements trampled on

    What do you want my friend, a revolution, a bourgeois revolution, and you don't need to say that it was a coup. Millions of sheep happily rushed into the bright sausage denim future. Country 404 with its lace panties just as always repeated our history in the form of farce.
    Regarding Newfeudalism, of course you are exaggerating, but the fact that the capitalist path will have to go through anew is for sure. If those who are now being killed by the Soviet regime read the classics carefully, maybe we would have lived under the USSR.

    You can find a normal sausage now. I have to do it myself
    1. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 14: 36
      0
      You can find a normal sausage now. I have to do it myself

      And jeans turned out to be not so important for happiness. You mean that the cheese in the mousetrap was rotten?
      It's true all these "values" marked and EBN turned out to be penny.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 1 December 2020 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: bk316
        You can find a normal sausage now. I have to do it myself

        And jeans turned out to be not so important for happiness. You mean that the cheese in the mousetrap was rotten?
        It's true all these "values" marked and EBN turned out to be penny.

        I mean, sausage was in short supply in the Soviet Union, but you could get it and it was real and tasty. And now a mixture of leather, fat, scraps with glutamate, preservatives in a horse dose and sodium nitrite to fix the pink color, even dogs do not eat such a cocktail. Before there were guests, but now that ...
        1. bk316
          bk316 1 December 2020 14: 53
          +3
          And now a mixture of skin, fat, scraps with glutamate, preservatives in a horse dose and sodium nitrite to fix the pink color, even dogs don't eat such a cocktail

          Here you are wrong. And now you can get excellent sausage, cheese, I'm not even talking about wine.
          It's just that everything is drowning in the sea de .. sorry junk. Well, here is just the market, who is guided by the mass character reduces costs as best they can.
        2. Merry_Militarist
          Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 02: 53
          -2
          Say "thank you" to food anti-sanctions, although if you buy the cheapest sausage - then it is obvious that it will not be made of marbled beef. Do you miss the times when you "got out" and stood in lines in the cold? But I don’t miss.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 07: 32
            0
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            Do you miss the times when you "got out" and stood in lines in the cold? But I don’t miss.

            well, do not write nonsense, you are our snatch
            1. Merry_Militarist
              Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 10: 40
              -3
              You should at least sometimes turn off the TV, by God, or turn on critical thinking. You can see it hurts for the loser of your generation, you profiled the country, now you justify yourself on the forums: "Oh, what a country it was ..."
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 16: 23
                0
                you are serious, why would I need a TV if I lived in the USSR and did not stand in line in the cold
                1. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 16: 35
                  -3
                  Correctly! For nothing! This is a bourgeois and harmful relic, it is better to read an ideologically correct book.
                  The whole country was behind something, and you weren't? From the nomenclature special distributor they were eating, so. Clearly, clearly, well, people like you, of course, had everything.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 18: 28
                    0
                    how old were you at 91?
                    judging by the fact that you don't know how to read these days very little
                  2. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 19: 23
                    -1
                    What is your next age appeal? This is crazy, chtol adds? I am of draft age, calm down.
                  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 54
                    0
                    just wondering, as a rule, that there was nothing to eat in the USSR, it was those who did not live then, but you surpassed everyone, YOU, not living at that time, tell how life was to those who lived then
                  4. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 20: 16
                    -4
                    Of course, as a consistent anti-communist, I consider it necessary to equalize the myths about the "great changes" of the USSR.
                  5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 20: 22
                    0
                    can you find out where YOUR knowledge about the USSR comes from ?!
                    By the way, you are an anti-communist to WHOM you owe all the socialist parties and the 8-hour working day?
                    and that if it weren't for the USSR, you personally, well, if only not blue blood, would have injected for 12 hours without vacation and sick leave until now
                  6. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 20: 34
                    -3
                    My knowledge, of course, from the US State Department, is sent to me personally. But seriously. do you think no scientific monographs come out on the topic of why in the USSR everything was like this and not otherwise?
                    Who is obliged for an 8 hour day? American workers, who first came forward on May 1, 1886, and achieved its introduction.
                    Low-skilled workers "work hard", and qualified and in-demand specialists, like me, are needed in any country.
                  7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 21: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    My knowledge, of course, from the US State Department, is sent to me personally. But seriously. do you think no scientific monographs come out on the topic of why in the USSR everything was like this and not otherwise?

                    specially for those who are in the tank
                    Based on what data do you say that, for example, in 82, the average citizen of the USSR is a Jew worse than the average Frenchman, German, Spaniard, American?
                    you will be mischievous among classmates
                  8. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 21: 19
                    -3
                    I remind the stubborn communists that the average German, French, etc., had the opportunity to buy a car without waiting for it for 10 years. And he also owned an apartment, and not a state Khrushchev, which he could not privatize or inherit, as you see, gigantic knowledge is not required here. From what data do I know this? From relatives. Which in the 82nd already worked. I’m not talking about food, why did your “sovets” stand in the 90th at McDonald's, if “everything was” and was no different?
                  9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 22: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    I remind the stubborn communists that the average German, French, etc., had the opportunity to buy a car without waiting for it for 10 years.

                    that is, if you have a car, it’s good, but if you don’t, then it’s bad ?!
                    and if it is not needed?
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    And he also owned an apartment, and not a state Khrushchev, which he could not privatize or inherit

                    once again did not live then do not write nonsense, the issue of inheritance was solved once or twice, the Soviet Khrushchev, as you put it, was many times better than the average daily apartment in the west both in terms of area and quality of services
                    especially for you
                    normal temperature in apartments
                    Great Britain - 15,2 ° C
                    France - 16,8 ° C
                    Japan - 10 ° C
                    Netherlands - 16 ° C
                    Germany - 17 ° C
                    if in a Soviet apartment in the winter it was 18 it was a guard
                    if we really undertake to compare areas and amenities, it turns out that Soviet Khrushchebs are the dream of many western citizens
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    I’m already silent about food, why did your “sovets” stand in the 90th at McDonald's, if “everything was” and was no different?

                    you are stupid, forgive me, and because it was a wonder, and not out of hunger
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    I'm already silent about food

                    and what products ?!
                    in terms of quality, they were orders of magnitude higher than what is now, and this applied to everything from juices to bread and other

                    do not argue about what you have not seen you do not know and do not understand what
                  10. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 22: 57
                    -3
                    that is, if you have a car, it’s good, but if you don’t, then it’s bad ?!
                    and if it is not needed?

                    Why are you wagging? Don't need - don't buy, the question is unimpeded possibility! In addition, is it necessary to tell what a rare sludge was (and is) the Soviet / Russian car industry, against the background of the Western?
                    once again did not live then then do not write nonsense, the issue of inheritance was decided

                    You can even live in a sakla or a barracks - it doesn't matter to me what you earned in that and live. And now tell me, without ownership of the living area, will you transfer it to the heir? Well?
                    A working citizen in Europe either has a good apartment or his own house, and does not wait for them for 10 years, and as a result receives a dry 2-xy on the outskirts of the city, which he cannot even exchange and move to another city. Or "Khrushchevka" - very high-quality housing?
                    you are stupid, forgive me, and because it was a wonder, and not out of hunger

                    Yes, yes, especially in the 90th year, when the deficit of everything worsened to the limit. Your insults do not forget me in any way, because for me you are from the unfortunate generation of "shot down pilots" who profiled their country, who only have something to remember.
                    and what products ?!
                    in terms of quality, they were orders of magnitude higher than what is now, and this applied to everything from juices to bread and other

                    From empty to empty, there was no food! And there was no systematic one or the other, everyone got it! Although, there were exceptions, in ZATO or in the North, or from special detention centers. nomenclature. Apparently, you haven't tried anything of high quality, go to Poland or Germany, and you don't have anything to choose from.
                  11. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 00: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Now tell me, without the ownership of the living space, will you transfer it to the heir? Well?

                    it makes no sense to explain the nuances to a person who did not live then, the heir was stupidly registered and that was enough
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    A working citizen in Europe has either a good apartment or his own house,

                    you are tired of your stubbornness, in Europe 45-55 percent of the population have their own housing
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Yes, yes, especially in 90, when the deficit of everything worsened to the limit.

                    I can also give an example of a shortage of food in St. Petersburg in December 16 January 17
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    After all, for me you are from an unfortunate generation of "shot down pilots" who profiled their country, who only have something to remember.

                    you shouldn't be rude if YOU and YOU like it lived then then now we wouldn't have it because the belly is the main thing for you
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    there was no systematic one or the other,

                    once again you have not lived and do not know, but pretend to be a know-it-all, the mother of an engineer could afford to buy black caviar in three-liter cans for her salary
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Apparently you haven't tried anything of high quality, you go to Poland or Germany, and you don't have anything to choose from.

                    I have a boy 20 km to Poland and have been there more than once, but my own quality walks through the fields
                    go to bed don't argue with your elders look stupid, mom won't give money for Nike tomorrow, you will be in Chinese
                  12. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 00: 34
                    -3
                    You were the first to start being rude to threaten.
                    Secondly, I have been earning myself for a long time, while you were telling me alluring Soviet fantasies, I already drew up a content plan for 2 months in advance.
                    There is essentially nothing to tell you, one thing is your personal feelings, and another is objective reality.
                    Elders, but how poor, and therefore embittered all over the world. I feel sorry for you.
                  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 00: 35
                    +1
                    give examples of threats!
                    or, as always, they squealed into the bushes?
                  14. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 00: 44
                    -3
                    I regarded your attempts to "grind" personally as a threat.
                    Secondly, you will not prove anything to me, I will not prove anything to you. On this and disperse, like ships in the sea. You are nostalgic, but I work hard.
                  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 09: 16
                    0
                    how easy it is to scare you laughing all you need to ask is the first and last name
                  16. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 10: 41
                    -3
                    I don't have to introduce myself to some no-name from the Internet. And yes, just for the sake of krinzh, listen to bikes from another fan of the USSR. Arevoir))
                  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 11: 27
                    0
                    funny
                    you LIVE thanks to the Union, you USE the benefits that created the Union, and at the same time you have the audacity to shit towards the Union
                    after 17, 30 years later, the Union won a terrible war and was one of the leading powers, made a tremendous breakthrough in industry, and what the Russian Federation achieved in 30 years, with a sin in half, reached the level of 90, and even then not by all indicators
                    you are funny boy
                  18. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 11: 43
                    -3
                    Well, laugh, laughter prolongs life!
                    Your USSR lived off the resources of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then bought entire factories in the United States, as in Magnitka for example)) Now from your "scoop" there are only monuments to the bald charlatan and the names of streets (for the time being).
                    Calm down already, KPSS men.
                  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 14: 21
                    -1
                    Quote: Merry_Militarist
                    Your USSR lived off the resources of RI

                    Well, you at least study the topic, stat data is in open sources what resources of RI? !!!!
                    sorry by the year 17, although the industry had already taken off their shoes before us 0 СХ 0
                  20. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 14: 32
                    -4
                    Oh, you all won't get away ...
                    Are you completely sick, or your Scoop in the desert was formed without capturing communications, factories and cities? And the human resource and material values ​​did not exist?
                    Your Union in 91 "took off" without noise and dust.
                  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 14: 57
                    0
                    foolno words
                    USE generation
                  22. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 15: 03
                    -3
                    Take the tablets - it will feel better. And then the Soviet maniac strongly dragged you out, so much so that you are counting history from 1917.
                    (Here it is, Soviet education - write without punctuation marks and start a sentence with a small letter) ... a generation of losers. lol
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 15: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  Your Union in 91 "took off" without noise and dust.

                  In world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%
                  In 1985, the share of the USSR in world industrial production was 20%
                3. Merry_Militarist
                  Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 15: 09
                  -3
                  In world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%
                  In 1985, the share of the USSR in world industrial production was 20%

                  Do you have these numbers the subject of an erotic fetish?)) Can you put them on the plate and walk along the street with it)) Correction, and what quality was the product produced? Well, yes ... it sucks, that's why they couldn't withstand competition with Western goods and even with China, and such a stillborn child like VAZ flounders only due to the fact that the state unfastens his pants to maintain his pants, next in line for ZiL into a bright future.))
                4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 15: 25
                  0
                  before you shake nonsense, study the topic, your ignorance is no longer funny
  • bk316
    bk316 2 December 2020 16: 54
    0
    well, do not write nonsense, you are our snatch

    Why nonsense. I won't say about the sausage, but I stood in the line for bananas and dried roach and cold smoked bream in the cold. And this is not in the 90s but in the well-fed 70s and not in Uryupinsk but in Moscow. A vivid childhood memory so vivid that even now I can show the place.
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 2 December 2020 12: 26
    0
    Quote: Merry_Militarist
    Say "thank you" to food anti-sanctions, although if you buy the cheapest sausage - then it is obvious that it will not be made of marbled beef. Do you miss the times when you "got out" and stood in lines in the cold? But I don’t miss.

    I am a supporter of the "cheap pays twice" rule, but I don't buy any sausage.
    From your words, it turns out that the sausage may be from Mr., and you justify this by the fact that "well, it's cheap" in daylight it can really be made of shit, and even the most expensive, such a paradox. It's like before, about 5 years ago, milk from powder was called milk, and cheese made from palm oil - cheese, now everything is different, so it's high time to adjust the sausage to these criteria
    1. Merry_Militarist
      Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 12: 32
      -2
      Sausage is now for every taste and pocket, I don’t want to choose, this is not 5-8 varieties, as in the dark times of the communist dictatorship (although sometimes there was not one). There is no "sausage problem" now.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 2 December 2020 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        Sausage is now for every taste and pocket, I don’t want to choose, this is not 5-8 varieties, as in the dark times of the communist dictatorship (although sometimes there was not one). There is no "sausage problem" now.

        Sausage is now in a very thick pocket, literally for the price of caviar. The fact that "for the rest of the pocket" is not sausage, there are not guests, but one or another guest of the Russian Federation, which did not stand next to the guests of the USSR. These are meat products, not sausages
        1. Merry_Militarist
          Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 13: 14
          -3
          Sausage is now in a very thick pocket, literally for the price of caviar.

          Is 350-500 rubles per kilo a lot for you? There are excellent products for this price. By the way, technologists from the food industry appeared in the USSR, where did the "awesome sausage" come from if there was no meat? And we all know about the efficiency of the collective farm.
          Or did you eat from a special distributor for the nomenclature in the USSR?
          1. bk316
            bk316 2 December 2020 16: 56
            0
            where did the "awesome sausage" come from if there was no meat?

            There was meat, but not for stores. laughing
            The rations (orders) contained amazing smoked sausage. But again, in rations for ZiL employees, one for employees of the apparatus of the Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry - another, and for the Kremlin they say a third. About ZIL and the ministry - I answer my grandfathers and grandmothers just worked there and there.
          2. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 17: 01
            -2
            I, of course, understand the nostalgia of individual citizens, but you really don't need to sniff out frank stories, these events did not take place in the XNUMXth century, there is a lot of evidence, including videos and photos, of what and where and who "was" smile
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 00: 31
            0
            Quote: Merry_Militarist
            including video and photos, what and where and who "was"

            How do you know if you weren't there
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 00: 32
        0
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        if there was no meat

        Why weren't you straight ?!
        I wonder what we ate?
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        And we all know about the efficiency of the collective farm.

        Well, what do YOU ​​PERSONALLY know?
        Quote: Merry_Militarist
        Or did you eat from a special distributor for the nomenclature in the USSR?

        Did you drink vodka with the gozman?
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  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 1 December 2020 13: 35
    -1
    Quote: Stroporez
    ... All the achievements of Soviet power trampled on by the new power

    for sure - there are no deficits, censorship and the GULAG ... bully
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 1 December 2020 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: DrEng527
      Quote: Stroporez
      ... All the achievements of Soviet power trampled on by the new power

      for sure - there are no deficits, censorship and the GULAG ... bully

      Oh yes: D no shortage of censorship and gulag
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 32
        -3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Oh yeah

        very reasoned !! bully
    2. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 14: 38
      +2
      for sure - there are no deficits, censorship and the gulag ... bully

      For that there is censorship in the country of the first democracy laughing
      Soon the gulag will pull up to the country for a puddle, but first there will be pogroms
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: bk316
        For that there is censorship in the country of the first democracy
        Soon the gulag will pull up to the country for a puddle, but first there will be pogroms

        1) look less Solovyov / Kiselev bully
        2) do you care? Russia is important to me, not where "blacks are hanged"
    3. DNS-a42
      DNS-a42 1 December 2020 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: DrEng527
      for sure - there are no deficits, censorship and the GULAG ... bully
      The shortage of consumer goods has disappeared, there is a shortage of money, culture, medicine, education. There is no Soviet censorship, there is bourgeois censorship. The GULAG was transformed into the Federal Penitentiary Service.
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 1 December 2020 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: DNS-a42
        there was a shortage of money, culture, medicine, education.

        I sympathize, I recommend to work better hi they made fun of medicine, did you try to undergo CT or MRI in the USSR?
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 07: 34
      +1
      Quote: DrEng527
      for sure - there are no deficits, censorship and the GULAG ...

      one more "specialist"
      the first censorship is in ALL COUNTRIES AND ALWAYS
      the second Gulag has only changed its name to it was the Main Directorate of the Camps now it has become the Directorate of the Federal Service
      1. DrEng527
        DrEng527 2 December 2020 14: 28
        -3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        one more "specialist"

        another empty chatterbox ...
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        the first censorship is in ALL COUNTRIES AND ALWAYS

        Can you name the name of Glavlit in the USA? bully
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        there is only changed the name n

        Really? don't you see the difference between the Stalinist GULAG and the present? I recommend reading Shalamov ...
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 16: 22
          0
          Quote: DrEng527
          Can you name the name of Glavlit in the USA?

          especially for you
          Censorship is a system of supervision over the content and dissemination of information, printed materials, musical and stage works, works of art, film and photo works, radio and television broadcasts, websites and portals ...
          who does this in the mattress for me to one place
          Quote: DrEng527
          Really? don't you see the difference between the Stalinist GULAG and the present? I recommend reading Shalamov ...

          once again for those who do not understand the terminology
          first, learn to write acronyms and abbreviations
          second, you understand that the GULag is not a zone, THIS IS THE MAIN DEPARTMENT
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 2 December 2020 16: 25
            -1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            especially for you

            In translation, it means that Glavlit in the United States is not able to name, but the show bully
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            first, learn to write acronyms and abbreviations

            you don't have the qualifications to teach me ... request
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            second, you understand that the GULag is not a zone, THIS IS THE MAIN DEPARTMENT

            it's a system! Therefore, I am writing about her, and not about a specific camp ... but for you it is difficult ... hi
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 1 December 2020 13: 47
    +28
    Quote: Stroporez
    All the achievements of Soviet power have been trampled underfoot by the new government and it will only get worse.

    The counter-revolution has finally won out in modern Russia. We began to forget such a simple slogan from the first Soviet alphabet: we are not slaves, we are not slaves !!!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2020 12: 11
    +5
    Yes, this is not Efremov and Bulychev, but a science fiction author! laughing
    The books of these authors are wonderful and maybe someday the ideas embedded in them will become reality. But not at the end of the twentieth century, when the leaders of the USSR made a turn in the wrong direction ...
    And the illustration from "The Mystery of the Third Planet" inspired nostalgia. I always liked this cartoon. Will need to be revised.
    1. Kart
      Kart 1 December 2020 12: 21
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And the illustration from "The Mystery of the Third Planet" inspired nostalgia.

      Well, that's the point. This is such a technology - nostalgic pictures in half with outright lies and fairy tales.
      The purpose of these sweet songs is to create the illusion that you can take just one step right now, throw off the regime, and the direct road to happiness will immediately open.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 1 December 2020 13: 06
        +5
        So it will be, only one very small question remains unclear, "And the road to whose happiness will open?" surely not to the one who will overthrow the power and not even to the author of these wet dreams, but fortunately for that invisible puppeteer, the road is still open.
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 1 December 2020 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Yes, this is not Efremov and Bulychev, but a science fiction author! laughing
      The books of these authors are wonderful and maybe someday the ideas embedded in them will become reality. But not at the end of the twentieth century, when the leaders of the USSR made a turn in the wrong direction ...
      And the illustration from "The Mystery of the Third Planet" inspired nostalgia. I always liked this cartoon. Will need to be revised.


      The author is certainly a science fiction writer, but his very thought and direction are correct. Now in the world there is a crisis of the capitalist system, there are no new territories for expansion, the markets have already been divided and the only way to solve this problem is a war, where the losing side will have to give up its market and the markets of its neighbors (where it sold its products), i.e. there will be a redistribution of the market again ... but after the absorption of this piece of the pie, the winning side after some period of time will have a crisis again and again it will be necessary to somehow resolve this issue ... I'm not talking about the problem of overpopulation of the planet in conditions of limited resources ... And another way is to look at other territories, and space expansion is an alternative to birth control and a big war that will happen sooner or later, so in this context it is a way out. And regarding the turn of the USSR, and the change of a society of creation to a consumer society, then one can only regret ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 1 December 2020 15: 59
        +1
        and with whom to fight? who is not already embedded as a market in the capitalist model? Africa unless .. partially ..
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 1 December 2020 16: 17
        +1
        And the markets, which must be divided all the time, are these the most necessary conditions for the existence of mankind? Any other ways to build a civilization can you think of? Only on the buy-sell principle, put the margin on the line and get even more? But this path was imposed on the entire planet by not the best, let's say, its representatives. And if they were sent by the forest? And here there are just a lot of options.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 1 December 2020 12: 13
    +2
    Why-why ... The holy trinity decided for us - Yeltsin / Kravchuk / Shushkevich, and we were slipped into the cult of consumption in the form of cheap jeans and canned beer.
    1. raw174
      raw174 1 December 2020 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Yrec
      Why-why ... The holy trinity decided for us - Yeltsin / Kravchuk / Shushkevich, and we were slipped into the cult of consumption in the form of cheap jeans and canned beer.

      And everyone agreed. Whatever we say, comfort and everyday amenities will always be more important for a person now than a bright socialist future later. Whatever one may say, but in the West, people have always lived better, in terms of life, comfort and cosmic pink dreams of the author are not interesting to the layman. Indeed, it is better to rejoice for Gagarin's flight while sitting in the comfort of a personal car, which went and bought, even on credit, and not by pull, bypassing the queue, knocking out 8 years, looking at his own, not the neighbor's TV ... In general, as always, everyday life defeated wet dreams of a bright future. The USSR was supposed to disintegrate ...
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 1 December 2020 12: 26
      -8
      Quote: Yrec
      The holy trinity decided for us - Yeltsin / Kravchuk / Shushkevich,

      These comrades, only unlucky performers, who could not decide anything.
      The Soviet civilization perished for the reason that the main task of the newly-made "trinity" - the teachings of Marx, Lenin and Stalin, was the fight against Christianity and, with the Russian people. And such a godless power could exist only in conditions of state terror.
      As soon as this terror weakened, after the death of Stalin, the entire Soviet civilization plunged into the abyss.
      1. tatra
        tatra 1 December 2020 12: 48
        +2
        Firstly, YOU, enemies of the USSR, in all the republics of the USSR that you captured, are planting Russophobia, including in Russia, you immediately began to destroy the Russian, and plant foreignism. Secondly, impudently implanting religion, you proved by your example that it does not make people honest, decent, kind, humane, does not make people patriots.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 1 December 2020 12: 59
          +2
          Quote: tatra
          YOU, enemies of the USSR, are spreading Russophobia in all the republics of the USSR you have captured, including in Russia

          Here the fact is that the October 1917 coup and the August 1991 events, that is, the collapse of the USSR, were arranged by the same people, or their "spiritual" heirs
          And, accordingly, Russophobia began to spread long before 1991.
          The government itself, initially, was Russophobic.
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 December 2020 13: 05
            +1
            There are so many lies and cowardice in one comment. The enemies of the communists even use the history of their country for their criminal purposes.
            1. Merry_Militarist
              Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 14: 09
              0
              Didn't the communists rewrite history? Didn't they destroy and sell the historical heritage of 1000-year-old Rus / Russian Empire? And culture was not destroyed? Not forced to give up Russianness? And they did not rob their people?
              Millions of our dead soldiers and officers were betrayed by signing the shameful Brest Peace in order to sit still! A gang of red bandits led by a German spy
          2. DrEng527
            DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 34
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            The government itself, initially, was Russophobic.

            exactly! I will add - I was in the upper echelons, mainly of foreigners and gentiles ... request
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 1 December 2020 13: 13
          +5
          Madam. maybe you had to think a little about people too? Krasnoyarsk Territory, the village of Kozulka, a tank unit, there were 3000 tanks in storage, which no one had ever used anywhere. Maybe in place of 100 tanks it was possible to build some kind of factory for sewing the same jeans. What's bad about it?
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 December 2020 13: 15
            +3
            Well, brag, maniacal critics of the USSR, how many plants and factories you built after you captured Russia. Or, again, the communists are to blame for ruining ALL branches of Russia?
            1. Free wind
              Free wind 1 December 2020 13: 20
              +2
              Madam, are you so aggressive, I just asked you for your opinion, what's wrong with that?
              1. tatra
                tatra 1 December 2020 13: 25
                +1
                The enemies of the communists always have double standards in everything; they evaluate all the facts depending on how they benefit. So, all the facts that they expose for the crimes of Stalin, slandered by them for the benefit of Stalin, they justify or "do not notice" in Nicholas II, who is praised by them for the sake of benefit. So it is with the military-industrial complex and the army, they are angry against the communists because they invested a lot of money in them, and Putin is praised for investing a lot of money in the military-industrial complex and the army.
                1. Free wind
                  Free wind 1 December 2020 13: 34
                  +3
                  I don't care about duck, I'm a Komsomol member after all. Although I do not understand some things, Why so many tanks, well, build another plant for the production of cars. We consider ourselves great, and so that.
                2. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: tatra
                  The enemies of the communists

                  Irina! Communists do not need enemies - they themselves cut each other with a fierce desire ... I hope the History of the CPSU studied? hi
            2. DrEng527
              DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 36
              0
              Quote: tatra
              Well, boast, manic critics of the USSR - how many factories and plants you built after you captured Russia

              a lot of! and stopped buying grain! request so for understanding, in 1991 in the RSFSR there were 560t km of paved roads, and now 2,5 times more ... Obviously, this was done with a hostile purpose ... bully
    3. Kart
      Kart 1 December 2020 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Yrec
      Why-why ... The holy trinity decided for us - Yeltsin / Kravchuk / Shushkevich, and we were slipped into the cult of consumption in the form of cheap jeans and canned beer.

      Maybe for you personally. Maybe you represent that fraction of the percentage of people who are able to walk with a bare ass, but at the same time believe in a bright intellectual future for everyone.
      But the rest were hungry for all those jeans and cola. Well, we got it.
      By the way - why was the best economy in the world not sewing on those very jeans and putting on the right amount of cola? This is not to launch rockets into space.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 1 December 2020 13: 06
        +33
        Quote: Carte
        But the rest were hungry for all those jeans and cola.

        not the worst desire
    4. DrEng527
      DrEng527 1 December 2020 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: Yrec
      The holy trinity decided for us

      why didn't you go to the barricades? did not create the Red Guard, like the officers at the end of 1917? hi
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2020 19: 48
        0
        Quote: DrEng527
        why didn't you go to the barricades?

        how old were you at 91
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 3 December 2020 11: 57
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          how old were you at 91

          answer the question? bully enough, for 30 ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 14: 19
            0
            and you asked me a question?
            By the way, why didn't you go to the barricades?
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 3 December 2020 14: 28
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and you asked me a question?

              and we have a personal conversation? You saw the question, but you stuck it into the bushes ... bully
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              By the way, why didn't you go to the barricades?

              and again a counter question ... behave like a woman ... bully
              I didn’t go, because I understood well enough by this time the harm of the Soviet regime for Russia and the Russians request EBN (and the democrats) I also did not believe, but alas, the people followed them, I honestly tried to change it to the best of my ability repeat , including at rallies, but realized - that this cannot be stopped - a plague on both of your houses - and took up his own business in the profession ... request
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 14: 58
                +1
                Quote: DrEng527
                for Russia and Russians

                20 million Russians who became payers overnight appreciated your impulse
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 3 December 2020 15: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  20 million Russians who became payers overnight appreciated your impulse

                  1) somehow they did not aspire to Russia at that time, from Ukraine or the Baltic states - have they already forgotten? request
                  2) I will note that you did not answer about yourself - because of this I believe that you voted for EBN! bully
                  3) The price of SV for Russians is noticeably higher ... it's good that they threw it off, otherwise the SV would have finished off hi
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 15: 26
                    0
                    Quote: DrEng527
                    How did they not aspire to Russia at that time, from Ukraine or the Baltic states - have they already forgotten?

                    before you write such nonsense, try to move
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 3 December 2020 16: 01
                      -3
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      before you write such nonsense, try to move

                      1) Writing unsubstantiated nonsense and not answering direct questions is your path! request
                      2) Everywhere, this was especially noticeable in the Ukraine and the Baltic States, local Russians hoped to live better after separation from Russia! Forgotten already?
                      3) I don't need to move anywhere! I am Russian and live in Russia. And Russian citizenship could be easily obtained in the early 90s, but for some reason the foreigners were in no hurry - in Russia it was worse financially and there were wars in the Caucasus ... But we survived and raised our country! And now the mankurt whine - they were abandoned ... hi
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 16: 09
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        local Russians hoped to live better after secession from Russia! Forgotten already?

                        unlike you, I know what it is when CHVR hisses in your back, so it's not YOU for me to describe this topic
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        And Russian citizenship could be easily obtained in the early 90s, but for some reason, foreigners were in no hurry

                        well, well, yes, and at the same time remain WITHOUT WORK AND WITHOUT HOUSING, once again you do not know do not argue
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        But we survived and raised our country! And now the mankurt whine - they were abandoned ...

                        from the bottom of my heart I wish YOU this share so that we could sit and be silent
                        when the Cossacks rose in the RK in the 90s, where were people like you? !!!!
                        tongue stuck in one place, so don't bark in this direction any further
                      2. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 4 December 2020 13: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        well, well, yes, and at the same time remain WITHOUT WORK AND WITHOUT HOUSING, once again you do not know do not argue

                        Quote: DrEng527
                        local Russians hoped to live better,

                        It's a choice! request Now sip it!
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        I wish YOU this share so that we could sit and be quietly silent

                        Personalized? I'm not surprised, I've heard enough of such mankurts visiting the Baltics ... request It's hard to admit your mistakes, it's easier to blame others ...
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        where have you been? !!!!
                        tongue stuck in one place, so don't bark in this direction any further

                        Yap is your path! bully And what should I do - I'll decide for myself! Without any foreign tips!
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 December 2020 19: 37
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        It's a choice! Now sip it!

                        only people just chose something else
                        Quote: DrEng527

                        Yap is your path! And what should I do - I'll decide for myself! Without any foreign tips!

                        why is this foreign?
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        I've heard a lot of similar mankurts visiting the Baltics ...

                        listen here and kill yourself on the nose, my ancestors came to Kazakhstan 200 years ago as part of the Cossack troops and lived there by the order of the king to protect the Russian state, my mother came to Kazakhstan when my grandmother was salted from exile there
                        Russians in the Republic of Kazakhstan are not mankurt and you don't have to blame them for this
                      4. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 5 December 2020 13: 37
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        listen here and cut your nose

                        command your wife if you will ... wink
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        salted grandmother

                        do you even understand what you are writing? request
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and it's not for you to blame them for this

                        we are on you request
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Russians in Kazakhstan are not mankurt

                        repeat this to yourself more often, maybe believe it ...
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Kazakhstan

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        RK

                        eka you are your homeland ... request
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        200 years ago as part of the Cossack troops

                        There are no Ural Cossacks there - everyone was taken to the GV and further ... the mummers remained ... hi
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 December 2020 08: 53
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        There are no Ural Cossacks there - everyone was taken to the GV and further ... the mummers remained ...

                        Well, yes, the villages remained, but there are no Cossacks, go ... well, I understood where
                      6. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 7 December 2020 12: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Well, yes, the villages remained, but there were no Cossacks, and

                        exactly! it is a pity that you do not know the tragedy of the Ural Cossacks ...
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        well understood myself

                        that you are not cultured and illiterate, I already understood! request
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 December 2020 15: 14
                        0
                        well, you didn’t live there, but you all know about the tragedies, and those who didn’t live there, go to the garden
                      8. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 8 December 2020 14: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        well, you didn't live there, but you know everything about tragedies

                        1) one friend of mine even wrote the history of the Ural Cossacks ... well, I read something ...
                        2) flood has gone, good luck
                      9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 December 2020 19: 16
                        0
                        you weren’t even smart enough to understand that my ancestors were not in any way to the Ural Cossacks
                      10. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 10 December 2020 11: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        my ancestors to the Ural Cossacks in no way

                        so you are from the best? bully
                      11. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 December 2020 13: 29
                        0
                        understandable knowledge is zero, in fact there was not only the Ural Cossack army
                      12. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 10 December 2020 13: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        there is zero knowledge,

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you didn't even have the mind to understand

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        , into the garden

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        well understood myself

                        Quote: DrEng527
                        then you are not cultured and illiterate, I already understood!

                        hi
                      13. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 December 2020 14: 38
                        0
                        you are sent and you come back all the time
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 1 December 2020 12: 17
    +3
    The decline in education in the last 30 years has led to the fact that Fursov became a remarkable historian and even a philosopher (Aristotle is quietly crying on the sidelines), the fans of the Flat Earth have increased significantly, and the nuclear war of the 18th or some century has found its propagandists. And here is the "Soviet civilization" arrived in time to supplement the gene code of the Aryan-Slavs and the development of their industry, 15 years ago. Sancta Simplicitas ...
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 1 December 2020 12: 33
      +2
      But the USSR had an awesome level of education, the 90s, smart and thinking, trained "best in the world" Soviet citizens charged cans of water in front of TVs, believing that some kind of "energy" is transmitted through the TV screen into the water, and this water remains carried the last savings to various MMM. They massively turned to sorcerers, magicians, shamans, psychics. And today the same "best educated in the world" Soviet people in the same way unconditionally believe in television horrors about Ukraine, the United States and Geyrop, not including independent thinking ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 1 December 2020 12: 52
        +2
        Education is one thing, but intelligence, the ability to analyze incoming information, the ability to think logically is something completely different. So, the enemies of the USSR, as in Perestroika, believed in the delusional anti-Soviet myth that one country can feed the whole world, so they still believe, and due to the lack of logic, they constantly want to prove one thing, but prove something completely different.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 39
          +3
          Quote: tatra
          , the ability to think logically is completely different

          precisely - turn this maxim to yourself ... hi
          Quote: tatra
          believed the delusional anti-Soviet myth that one country can feed the whole world,

          maybe this is your delirium and fever? bully
  • pytar
    pytar 1 December 2020 12: 18
    +4
    Statia is a nostalgic epic for a dead civilization! And she died, as the dinosaurs died out, due to the inability to evolve, in view of the constantly changing environmental conditions! The model of Soviet socialism was doomed from the start! The main defects are the absence of internal competition, especially in the economy, the ossified, clumsy authoritarian pyramid of power, dogmatism! It was essentially a project of globalists, a form of neo-feudal society!
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 12: 35
      +4
      And what you have just listed is now missing in the world? And thanks to this, the world develops by stormy leaps, without wars and crises? smile
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 December 2020 13: 04
        -2
        And what you have just listed is now missing in the world?

        It is present, and Soviet socialism could not withstand external competition because of its internal defects. And he could not fix them, due to the absence of internal competition.
        And thanks to this, the world develops by stormy leaps, without wars and crises?

        All of these elemental are part of the competition. One to one, as in the interspecies struggle in nature.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 13: 32
          +1
          All of these elemental are part of the competition. One to one, as in the interspecies struggle in nature.
          ...Those. everything is fine in the world, just wonderful. How are you there, defeated the corrupt government at rallies? Or is the whole fight still ahead?
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 December 2020 13: 54
            +3
            .Those. everything is fine in the world, just wonderful.

            The world can never be "everything is good and wonderful"! If it becomes so, then everything will stop, development, evolution will stop! That is why, from the outset, in the laws of nature, there is an incessant movement! Because movement is life, and stopping is death!
            How are you there, defeated the corrupt government at rallies? Or is the whole fight still ahead?

            The very fact that it is already possible to freely rally against government corruption is healthy! These are normal processes in a competitive, self-correcting, democratic society! Corruption was not the least of it during totalitarian socialism! But come on then protest, they will take you away for a moment and they won't see you anymore!
            1. Daniil Konovalenko
              Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 14: 01
              +2
              Well, yes, and so the steam let out and everything is still .. As in the Soviet cartoon Scary tale: "On a dark, dark night the gopher went home and did not meet anyone." If capitalism all over the world is neither good nor wonderful and it is evolving into neo-feudal globalism, then this is not stagnation, but a step forward?
              1. pytar
                pytar 1 December 2020 14: 21
                +2
                According to the laws of evolution, there are always dead-end branches! The species that walked on them die off. And what are the dead-end paths? Those who lead to freezing, to stopping traffic! Neo-feudalism is that type! Ego's goal is to keep the statute at a different technological level. Full control over society by the elites, while maintaining and strengthening their power! If the planners succeed in implementing this plan, society will come to degradation, and if there are no internal forces of resistance and change, humanity will disappear.
                1. Daniil Konovalenko
                  Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 14: 32
                  +2
                  Those. dead end way? From the developed democracy of capitalism to the dead end of neo-feudalism? What other way is there?
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 1 December 2020 16: 57
                    +2
                    Those. dead end way? From the developed democracy of capitalism to the dead end of neo-feudalism? What other way is there?

                    Neo-feudalism is a dead-end road, implying total all-technological control. Slaves and Gods drugged into a narcotic dregs ... in fact, a stop in the development of humanity.
                    What other way is there?

                    In parallel, again thanks to the development of technologies achieved under capitalism, another path is opening! Oddly enough it is much closer to communism than our former socialism! Labor productivity reaches such levels that it can remove people from unattractive jobs. And at the same time to satisfy their basic needs without the obligatory need to work to the point of exhaustion. Such experiments / guaranteed basic income / have already been carried out, and they give unexpectedly positive results! Mostly, a person works more efficiently when he does it for pleasure, and not because of "being pressed against the wall"!
                    In short, the coming technological revolution may have two different outcomes:
                    1. Society based on the principle - to each according to the needs of each according to his ability / communism /.
                    2. Neo-feudal technological slavery.
    2. bk316
      bk316 1 December 2020 12: 39
      +5
      lack of internal competition, especially in the economy

      It is completely replaced by thoughtful planned economy.
      authoritarian power pyramid, dogmatism

      This is a consequence, not a cause.
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 December 2020 13: 11
        +1
        It is completely replaced by thoughtful planned economy.

        A group of party bosses can never make temporary, adequate decisions, instead of millions of socially and economically active / due to competition / citizens. The totalitarian political elites were more concerned with taking each other's throats than with real creation and solution of pressing problems. Under socialism, the problems were chronic, their solution would mean a transition to another system.
        This is a consequence, not a cause.

        You are absolutely right! Receiving orders from above / often torn off from reality / to the bottom, they / the lower classes / were reluctant to carry out. Normal human psychology! It's another matter when a person is active himself, in a competitive society! Will or captivity, he is forced to try, to be afloat, because. hi
    3. Van 16
      Van 16 1 December 2020 12: 46
      +4
      Yes, Soviet socialism was not doomed. Did he have flaws? Yes of course. Including those listed by you. Did you need to fix them? Again, yes. But did you have to break everything to the ground, to smithereens and in half? Definitely no.
      And the neo-feudal society .. we just go to it, by leaps and bounds.
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 December 2020 13: 23
        +2
        Yes, Soviet socialism was not doomed. Did he have flaws? Yes of course. Including those listed by you. Did you need to fix them? Again, yes. But did you have to break everything to the ground, to smithereens and in half? Definitely no.

        The shortcomings of totalitarian / in political and economic terms / socialism, just did not allow it to be corrected! They have a principled, fundamental character! Therefore, an attempt to fix them led to the collapse of this system. You cannot fix the incorrigible; you cannot build a new wall on a rotten foundation. hi
        And the neo-feudal society .. we just go to it, by leaps and bounds.

        Yes! On the way to the place of the socialist globalist project, there is a new globalist neo-feudal project!
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 13: 36
          +1
          Yes! On the way to the place of the socialist globalist project, there is a new globalist neo-feudal project!
          ... The new globalist neo-feudal project is certainly better than the socialist global project, everything was so bad there, in your words ... smile
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 December 2020 14: 00
            +2
            The new globalist neo-feudal project is certainly better than the socialist global project, everything was so bad there, in your words ...

            Nowhere did I give a comparison and did not say what that is! request Not how, because the situation with the new is not yet a fact, we can only assume! And that the old was uncompetitive is proved by the fact of his death. Gone after a short 70 years! Suddenly!
            1. Daniil Konovalenko
              Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 14: 04
              +1
              That is why I am asking you whether it is better to die socialist globalism or the coming neo-feudal globalism?
              1. pytar
                pytar 1 December 2020 17: 10
                0
                That is why I am asking you whether it is better to die socialist globalism or the coming neo-feudal globalism?

                Dear Daniel, you can't specify for me ... I'll explain!
                Wallpaper globalism dead-end, destructive. They lead to stagnation, stoppage, and accordingly nature itself rejects them.
                Only a high-tech society can satisfy the needs of citizens. Democracy somehow gives weak, unstable guarantees about choice.
                Socialism, despite some advances in technology, did not create / could not create / a strong highly efficient economy capable of reducing the material factor in order to provide an opportunity for the development of the spiritual factor! The chronic shortage of commodities has led to the growth of the value of the material over the spiritual! Moreover, the communist ideology itself is materialistic, it rejects the existence of God! You cannot build a just society by denying the source of Spirituality!
                Capitalism, with all its shortcomings, creates a high level of "consumption" of technologies and, if combined with democracy / democracy /, can lead to real communism, but such in which the Spiritual will prevail! This is for theory, and what will be for practice, we'll see. hi
        2. Van 16
          Van 16 1 December 2020 14: 54
          0
          You know, I disagree about the foundation. He was just tough, he won the worst war, he won illiteracy, he was the first to go out into space, and so on. hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 December 2020 17: 24
            +3
            You know, I disagree about the foundation. He was just tough, he won the worst war, he won illiteracy, he was the first to go into space, and so on and so forth ..

            Totalitarian, administratively centralized societies, always more persistent, more effective in crisis, extreme periods! Because their structure is similar to the army. But living in the barracks all the time, not how! You are saying that the USSR won the terrible WWII! With unimaginable losses, but won! And who, excuse me, fought with? With the same totalitarian state! The one who turned out to be tougher and with more resources won! In the post-war period, there was a "cold war"! External competition! Here socialism could not stand it! The whole world would become SSS-rovsky, the competition between both systems would cease, humanity would fall into a swamp hibernation.
            But the superstructure - yes, that was really dilapidated, so it had to be fixed

            So they fixed it! I don't know any other country in the world where so many traitors have liquidated! Simply national sports are full!

            Conclusion: The system that "gives birth" to so many traitors is itself defective! She herself has a problem! hi
            1. Van 16
              Van 16 1 December 2020 18: 59
              +1
              All the same, I disagree. You know, I lived under socialism and now I live under capitalism, I can compare. I will not say for Bulgaria, you know better, maybe we have some kind of wrong capitalism, but then, in the Union, there were fewer problems and more freedom. Something like this.
              1. pytar
                pytar 1 December 2020 20: 20
                -2
                Dear Ivan, the fact that you lived well under socialism does not mean that socialism was good. And now you have some kind of mixture of bad capitalism and bad authoritarianism. I often visit Russia.
                You're asking yourself a few questions! Was the "happiness of socialism" worth the millions of repressed, rotten gulags? Is it possible to achieve highly spiritual goals in a society whose ideology is materialistic? Is it possible to create a new person of a high moral level if the partocracy / for some reason / is continuously rotting, citizens sit for hours in line for elementary things, and for ordinary things they need personal connections? Is it possible to develop in a country where economic initiative is being pursued? Is it possible to develop into a country where every dissent is considered a crime? Can you say at least one country in the world where socialism, according to the Soviet model, came at the will of the majority of the people, in a democratic way? You can add many more questions, to which, it seems to me, the answers will be negative!
                But whatever it was, the opinions are subjective. Socialism has lived a moment, which clearly indicates the ego of fundamental defectiveness. Until now, humanity has tried a lot of things, but the most successful combination of economic initiative with socially oriented democracy. hi
                1. Van 16
                  Van 16 1 December 2020 20: 52
                  +1
                  It's very interesting to talk to you hi
                  There are really many questions, but ..
                  About "millions of repressed in the gulag" - do not take an example from Solzhenitsyn and others, everything has long been refuted.

                  "if the party democracy / for some reason / is continuously rotting" - at the top it may be, but at the bottom I have repeatedly come across when the party members stood for ordinary people.

                  "Now you have some kind of mixture of bad capitalism and bad authoritarianism" - but I absolutely agree with that.

                  Apparently, although we will each stay with our own opinion, with respect hi
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 1 December 2020 23: 00
                    0
                    It's very interesting to talk to you

                    Thank you Ivan! I can easily communicate with intelligent people! We may have different opinions, but I am ready to fight for the right to everyone to say my own! hi
                    About "millions of repressed in the gulag" - do not take an example from Solzhenitsyn and others, everything has long been refuted.

                    Let's not argue millions or hundreds of thousands, it was all the same horror! Gulag is Gulag, inhuman attitude! In a normal society, this should not be! By doing evil, you cannot do good!
                    at the top it may be, but at the bottom I have repeatedly come across when exactly the party members stood for ordinary people.

                    But the top should be an example, lead people to a "bright future"! Which way if we can't choose and fire drivers if they can do whatever they want with us? Among the ordinary rank and file members of the party, there were many true believers, honest idealists! They turned out to be deceived, and the main victims. But the reason is not at the top, but in the fallacy of the system itself, breeding monsters in power.
                    Apparently, although we will each stay with our own opinion, with respect

                    Once in my youth I was a supporter of socialism, but even at an early age I began to ask questions! The reality was different, there was no logic in this system! How a lover of mechanics instinctively realized that such a mechanism could not work!
                    The last I will suppose why smart people like you still feel sympathy, nostalgia for this nightmarish system! For patriotism! You perceive it as your own, Russian business! Although this ideology was introduced from the outside for the destruction of the Republic of Ingushetia, and brought enormous suffering, shocks to the Russian people! Several generations have lived in it, knowing nothing else. And the past before her was authoritarian.
                    Yours! hi
      2. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 13: 34
        +2
        Ivan, don't you explain laughing only capitalism has no shortcomings and this is a bright future for the entire planet, or rather what remains of it .. laughing
      3. DrEng527
        DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 41
        0
        Quote: Van 16
        Did you need to fix them? Again, yes.

        Did not work out... request
        Quote: Van 16
        And the neo-feudal society .. we just go to it, by leaps and bounds.

        was in the USSR! there were serfs on collective farms and workers in factories, and feudal lords from the nomenklatura, who were not subject to the ordinary court, only the Central Committee of the CPSU request
    4. evgen1221
      evgen1221 1 December 2020 13: 02
      +3
      No, the Soviet system was not initially doomed, but its end was put, as you correctly noted, by the inability to respond quickly to changes in the environment and food supply. Which brings us back to the question of the fact that they were really engaged in the upbringing of a new person until 1953 and these people moved the country on the idea and idials, the subsequent generations are already like that, insofar as.
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 December 2020 13: 41
        0
        ... but it ended, as you correctly noted, the inability to respond quickly to changes in the environment and food supply.

        So this is a fundamental defect, to "fix" it would mean to move to another social formation, for example, social democracy and its analogues... But then the party elites would lose power, which would put the totalitarian system at a standstill!
        Which brings us back to the question that it was only until 1953 that they were really engaged in the upbringing of a new person, and these people moved the country on the idea and idials, the subsequent generations are already so, insofar as.

        There is one more principled, irreparable defect! Pure people can be brought up only ... pure people, saints, etc. And the Holy One, it is only with the Lord God! The idealists begin the revolution, make the romantics, and the villains take advantage ... The political elite who came to power on blood cannot be pure, saint! In totalitarian societies, the ruler is primarily concerned that there is no opposition and political competition threatening his power!
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 13: 54
          +2
          Yeah, as you have in Bulgaria, pure democracy. You chose yourself, you didn't like it, they went to overthrow, and you were allowed to, you overthrew, overthrew ... But the government resigned and did not leave ... overthrow with the permission of the overthrown. smile
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 December 2020 14: 12
            0
            Yeah, as you have in Bulgaria, pure democracy.

            More normal. 1/3 (pensioners + poorly educated + unskilled) FOR the past socialism. 2/3 (people in active age, more educated and qualified) FOR democracy. Democracy is imperfect, but it is the best thing that mankind has invented so far.
            You chose it yourself, you didn't like it, they went to overthrow it, and you were allowed to do it, you overthrew it, overthrew it .. And it resigned the government and didn’t leave .. But honestly, elections, overthrow with the permission of the overthrown.

            That is good in a democracy that you can elect and remove from power! No untouchable party bosses! Rallies, protests, act more sobering on self-forgotten bureaucrats! By the way, protests do not mean that these are the majority! The ruling coalition has its own support in society. It is not necessary to serve in the leftovers. The elections will be soon, next year, then everything will be cleared up. By the way, the prizewinners, our governments have more than once applied for retirement because of the rallies. The same current premier Borisov, twice left in the past! In short, irreplaceable leaders, withered indisputable idols in portraits, are not ours ... hi
            1. Daniil Konovalenko
              Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 14: 29
              +2
              laughing and the world is heading towards global neo-feudalism laughing Towards a new stage of democracy, the highest .. laughing hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 1 December 2020 15: 56
                0
                I don’t know what it’s like, but there are only 2 options - for the worse and for the best! Let's hope it's all for the best! But it will be neither socialism nor capitalism, but democracy is definitely better than totalitarianism! hi
                1. Daniil Konovalenko
                  Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 16: 21
                  +3
                  Democracy like on the planet Tranai .. hi
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 December 2020 12: 19
    +1
    Rapid scientific and technical development, space exploration led to the creation of a powerful class of creators, creators.
    but this did not happen.
    a new slave system.
    Digital....
    medical terror during a "pandemic"
    works and how it works! How many "extra" mouths I cleaned up.
    1. Kart
      Kart 1 December 2020 12: 33
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Rapid scientific and technical development, space exploration led to the creation of a powerful class of creators, creators.
      but this did not happen.

      Do you know why?
      Because creators and creators cannot just be created and educated on command.
      They must be born. And only then can they be helped by education and conditions for their creations.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 December 2020 12: 37
        0
        Stepan hi I totally agree.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 13: 38
          +4
          Talents need help, mediocrity will break through on their own, which we have seen especially clearly over the past 30 years.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 1 December 2020 12: 47
        +30
        Quote: Carte
        They must be born. And only then can they be helped by education and conditions for their creations.

        and they already have and talents not only in megacities. But how can a nugget get through without a dad or mom, money? How to get an education if the state does not need this person?
        The time of Lomonosov, who came to St. Petersburg and was realized passed
      3. evgen1221
        evgen1221 1 December 2020 12: 57
        +2
        It is fundamentally not true that creators are born and nothing else, for example, your child can speak from the cradle even in Morse code if you teach and educate him yourself, respectively, the task of upbringing and education in conjunction is to identify inclinations and encourage and develop them in every possible way. From birth and from geniuses, the devils that grow up if they do not engage at all. And we do not deal with people at all - Here we have the stars of the screen Shurygin and Kol s Urengoy
    2. Kart
      Kart 1 December 2020 12: 37
      -6
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      medical terror during a "pandemic"
      works and how it works! How many "extra" mouths I cleaned up.

      Nonsense. A pitiful fraction of a percent.
      Only global wars are really cleaned up.
      By the way, on which, by the way, it is not the strongest, the smart and the brave who perish, but just the opposite - the weak, cowardly, stupid and sick.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 December 2020 14: 19
        +1
        And not only here ... How many old people in the states have died!
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  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 1 December 2020 12: 19
    0
    I have no objections It would be nice to consider solutions to the problem
  • bk316
    bk316 1 December 2020 12: 25
    +9
    Interesting point of view, but does not answer the question of the article. The author argues that capitalist society is not capable of vertical progress (Strugatskikh's term), while socialist society is capable and, therefore, would win this race. BUT the question remains WHY REFUSED?

    I think the answer lies in the phrase "cadres are everything." And more specifically
    1. Soviet society was never able to bring up a new SOVIET MAN. The population for the most part remained consumers and happily sold everything for sausage and jeans.
    2. The Soviet state was unable to create a system that would not allow incompetent people to manage. As a result, incompetent people surfaced to the top, who, in order to stay there, quickly became intriguers, demagogues and criminals.

    Of course, now these problems have not been solved either, but capitalism is not going to solve them AT ALL. There is no need to educate a new person, and incompetent managers fit well into the crisis model described by Marx. Where this will lead civilization is unclear ...
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 1 December 2020 12: 44
      -7
      In general, capitalism is actively solving this.
      A massive transfer of power to an AI that is actively developing. And in the warehouses of the same Amazon who to fire, whom to reward, where to whom to run, the computer decides. Bach and the issue of management incompetence is being resolved. Managers are an extremely inconvenient and unpleasant layer for wealth owners, and AI can be a great substitute.
      And they also need a new man, he must be no worse than the builders of communism. Since all these parameters of the capitalist are ideally suited. Minimization of health care leads a healthy lifestyle, constantly learns independently to minimize education, loves to work, increase labor productivity, loves a Spartan way of life, so you can pay him a pittance, etc.
      1. bk316
        bk316 1 December 2020 13: 00
        +4
        In general, capitalism is actively solving this.

        No does not decide Mr. US apologist. Look at Biden and Psaki look at the EC Defense Ministers. Creates compensation mechanisms (AI, bankruptcies, collegial decisions, checks and balances) yes - decides no. And I was talking about a system where incompetent people cannot get to positions of responsibility at all.
        And about the man of the future, the same thing is not about a qualified consumer, but about the Soviet man, the builder of communism.
        It looks like you don't understand at all from there laughing
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 1 December 2020 18: 25
          -1
          Well, compare the results of their incompetent and our incompetent.
          Superpower and raw material appendage.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 1 December 2020 12: 44
      +30
      Quote: bk316
      1. Soviet society was never able to bring up a new SOVIET MAN. The population for the most part remained consumers and happily sold everything for sausage and jeans.

      if it happened then, now they do it on purpose
      Quote: bk316
      The Soviet state was unable to create a system that would not allow incompetent people to manage. As a result, incompetent people surfaced to the top, who, in order to stay there, quickly became intriguers, demagogues and criminals.

      and under the new government everything remained the same and even worse
      Quote: bk316
      Where this will lead civilization is unclear ...

      about civilization - I don't know where the curve will lead to - I guess
    3. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 1 December 2020 12: 51
      -6
      Soviet society was never able to bring up a new SOVIET MAN. The population for the most part remained consumers and happily sold everything for sausage and jeans.

      "Soviet man" is a movement against nature. All these "to each according to need", "man to man friend" - complete nonsense. Man is primarily an animal. And last but not least, Homo sapiens. And this is not consumption. This is nature, our mother. A person, like any animal, has a desire to eat deliciously and mate with the best females / males. Trying to change this is pointless. You just need to stick to your "sapiens" and everything in the world will be fine.
      1. Goscha
        Goscha 2 December 2020 19: 36
        +1
        If you want to be an animal, be it. We'll find a place for you in the barn. Don't bother people to be people.
    4. evgen1221
      evgen1221 1 December 2020 12: 51
      -1
      What will it lead to, yes along the loop. It is necessary and necessary to arrange and accelerate a massive world slaughter (we reduce the number of mouths, redistribute resources, drive uniformity into the brains of those who remain fighting a common enemy and restart the economy again ala 1945-1990 and then again a new circle.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 1 December 2020 12: 32
    +8
    The Kremlin diaspora has been fighting for a great Russia since 20 years, but again the wrong people and a heavy legacy interfere. The philistines do not support good undertakings. Either they want to live in prosperity, or they rock the boat.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 1 December 2020 12: 37
    +1
    In fact, as noted by the remarkable Russian historian and philosopher Andrei Fursov, a new slave system will be established.
    And how can you avoid this? Which way?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 1 December 2020 12: 39
    +6
    Because, alas, the USSR lost the Second World War. Having lost a critical number of convinced and literate communists. 4 million people !! And the rest failed to resist the degeneration of the party bureaucratic elite into a virtually separate class. Whose interests did not fundamentally coincide with the interests of the people and the country, and even to build socialism, these brothers certainly did not intend to. It was about this danger that both Lenin and Trotsky warned. This is precisely what Comrade Stalin so desperately fought against. Unfortunately, losing. /

    Was it possible for ANOTHER? My deepest conviction is yes. When the party leadership was taken under strict control by the grassroots cells and the Soviets. For which Comrade Silan so stood up. But the war radically changed everything. And there was simply no one to control the newly-minted party bosses. That's all it started
    downhill.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 December 2020 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: paul3390
      Having lost a critical number of convinced and literate communists. 4 million people !!

      Absolutely agree! During the Second World War, the USSR lost the ideological generation of the "Builders of Communism"
    2. Goscha
      Goscha 2 December 2020 19: 39
      +1
      Absolutely agree . Stalin fought all his life against the party nomenklatura and, unfortunately, lost. A life . And all the people - their future.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 1 December 2020 12: 42
    +27
    However, Soviet bureaucrats and party leaders were afraid of the supernova Russia, since there was no place for bureaucracy and party domination in it.

    The dependence on the export of resources begins to progress (the economy of the "pipe"). The years of "oil socialism" are coming. As a result, this will result in the privatization (plundering) of the people's wealth and the collapse of the USSR.

    and NOTHING has changed after the counter-revolution of 91!
    It seems that the "whites" came to power, but ...
    "New" economy of endless speculation and making money out of money or even "out of thin air" .... outright evil spirits and trash are breaking through to power.

    Any state or individual who tries to go against the "main line" ...

    ... expelled from the country, imprisoned or killed.
    And all because
    "Peaceful coexistence" with the West, stable and consistent development, which quickly turned into a stagnant swamp ...
    ... continues.
    So if nothing has changed, then what awaits the country?
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 1 December 2020 12: 45
    +3
    “The Vasyukin chess players listened to Ostap with filial love. Ostap was carrying. He felt a surge of new strength and chess ideas. "
    “- Chess! - said Ostap. - Do you know what chess is? They move forward not only culture, but also the economy! Do you know that the four knights chess club, if done correctly, can completely transform the city of Vasyuki? "
    Think about how beautiful it will sound - "International Vasyukinsky Tournament of 1927".
    “The arrival of Jose-Raul Capablanca, Emmanuel Lasker, Alekhine, Nimzovich, Reti, Rubinstein, Marotsi, Tarrasch, Vidmar and Dr. Grigoriev is guaranteed. In addition, my participation is guaranteed! "
    “Dazzling prospects unfolded before the Vasyukin amateurs. The limits of the room expanded. The rotten walls of the horse breeding nest collapsed, and instead of them the glass thirty-three-story palace of chess thought went into the blue sky. In each of his halls, in each room and even in the elevators sweeping by the bullet, thoughtful people were sitting and playing chess on boards inlaid with malachite. The marble staircases really fell into the blue Volga. There were ocean steamers on the river. Muggy foreigners, chess ladies, Australian fans of the Indian defense, Indians in white turbans - adherents of the Spanish party, Germans, French, New Zealanders, residents of the Amazon River basin and, envying the Vasyukinites - Muscovites, Leningraders, Kievites and Odessa citizens, Sibirians, climbed the funiculars into the city ... Cars moved by conveyor among the marble hotels. But then - everything stopped. World champion Jose-Raul Capablanca y Graupera emerged from the fashionable "Passed Pawn" hotel. Ladies surrounded him. A policeman, dressed in a special chess uniform (breeches in a cage and elephants on their collar tabs), politely saluted. The one-eyed chairman of the Vasyukin club of four horses approached the champion with dignity. The conversation between the two luminaries, conducted in English, was interrupted by the arrival of Dr. Grigoriev and future world champion Alekhine. The welcome clicks shook the city. Jose Raúl Capablanca y Graupera winced. With a wave of the one-eyed man's hand, a marble staircase was brought up to the airplane. Doctor Grigoriev ran down it, waving his new hat in greeting and commenting on Capablanca's possible mistake in the upcoming match with Alekhine.
    Suddenly a black dot was seen on the horizon. She quickly approached and grew, turning into a large emerald parachute. Like a large radish, a man with a suitcase hung on a parachute ring.
    - It is he! - shouted the one-eyed. - Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! I recognize the great chess philosopher, old Lasker. He is the only one in the world who wears such green socks. "
    "- Yes! And then the universe. The chess thought that turned the county town into the capital of the globe will turn into applied science and invent ways of interplanetary communication. Signals will fly from Vasyuki to Mars, Jupiter and Neptune. Communication with Venus will become as easy as moving from Rybinsk to Yaroslavl. And there, who knows, maybe in eight years Vasyuki will host the first interplanetary chess tournament in the history of the universe!
    Ostap wiped his noble forehead. He was hungry to such an extent that he would gladly eat a roasted chess horse. "
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 December 2020 12: 47
    +3
    Well, in my understanding, the idea of ​​a golden billion is also a failure. Well, robots will extract raw materials, build, and so on. Well, a person will occasionally be busy with adjusting, let's say that even the benefits of those who remain will be above the roof. But a person, in the presence of practically gratuitous benefits, will he give up the principle of creation, and on what will the corporation profit, if, according to the scenario, everyone has a lot of benefits and a decrease in the boag of this billion is fraught with the collapse of the entire utopian system, and for what he is fighting, to what is it striving for? When everyone has everything in bulk. Oskotinovanie our everything. In general, there are huge semantic holes in the concept of the golden billion.
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 1 December 2020 12: 47
    +3
    Why should a person who works for 12 hours a day or serves should live the same way as an undying drunk or a person who does not strive for anything in life? Why does a person who thinks 18 hours a day how to develop his business should live like those "who go to work 8 hours to work for a salary." Someone has a 100-meter yacht, some have 7 days in Turkey once a year, and some have a bottle of booze. Communism is not possible by definition due to the fact that the activity and aspirations of people are different. Well, maybe it is possible if the robots will work for everyone except. But then why do we need so many people? What were they? Musk take them all to Mars :) since communism could not. According to Darwin, there is always competition and adaptation - some at the top of the food chain and some not. It is not the strongest jock and shooter that survives, but the fittest red-haired rogue :). This is a universal rule. Another thing is that it's impossible to get upstairs and be an angel. You have to be a powerful, ugly and cunning beast. For the most that pops up ... moving on the principle of a chicken coop, push the neighbor against the bottom. And science fiction is fiction. Nicely written but it never happens.
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 1 December 2020 22: 27
      0
      In many respects it is very controversial If only because the peoples consisting of such personalities, without exception, would not have survived a couple of generations being swept away by close-knit neighbors Is that parasitism? Yes, it is by parasitizing on others that such animals have a chance, and then what? What's next? (When the host dies and this is inevitable) The ball is final Very well said in the movie "Highlander" - "there should be only one" And notice the first sign of the implementation of this principle is a stable demographic curve to the bottom Roughly speaking - "be fruitful and multiply" it is from God te for the benefit of the laws of nature, but on the contrary, it is clear from whom. And by the way, it is clear who, in fact, wants the extermination of the human race. In general, here you need to look at what kind of work for 8 hours and for example what kind of business Let's take the job of a bandage on the railway (here is the danger and responsibility for people's lives and just hard and harmful work) and the development of business in the field of trade in clothes (available to persistent troechnik with connections inherited from the ancestor of an official) Or an OT engineer in a large company sawing the country's resources (especially without a load of P B) and business development in the field of production and sale of metal fences (of course, without connections at the initial stage) Here everything is situational and for each case it is necessary to understand.For example, a drunk who became so because he was a grenade launcher (AGS 17) and survived on New Year's Eve in Grozny only because they walked in the rearguard (now not striving for anything) and got rid of the army (like flat-footed ) nowadays a plumber working in for 12 hours and striving to become a nasalnik (even for a paid university graduating for this) How is this alignment? Who was more useful to society? This situation is well shown in the film "Liquidation" when a relative comes to Gotsman from the village (like a businessman, by the way, sold sausage). Therefore, it is very controversial.
  • Ercog
    Ercog 1 December 2020 12: 52
    -2
    Soviet civilization
    There was no Soviet civilization. As well as others: Mayan (Maya), Islamic, some other. Toynbee is cool, of course, but ... There is a human civilization. And that's it! Human civilization is developing. And it is important to know the place in this development. Including for Russia. The rest is from the evil one.
    1. BAI
      BAI 1 December 2020 14: 57
      -1
      I'm tired of explaining to the author that Soviet civilization is, in principle, impossible (according to the classics of Marxism-Leninism). It's a wet fire. Engels (Origin of the family, private property and state):
      "The basis of civilization is the exploitation of one class by another."
      Under communism (socialism), there is no exploitation of one class by another. If only because there are no classes. Therefore, this formation is not a civilization. Communism (socialism) is a socio-economic formation following civilization. Not civilized.
  • savage1976
    savage1976 1 December 2020 12: 58
    +5
    And then I woke up. Here the author's imagination cleared up.
    1. set of sets
      set of sets 1 December 2020 13: 23
      -1
      It looks like I smoked too much))
  • tatra
    tatra 1 December 2020 12: 58
    +4
    The enemies of the communists, led by the members of the CPSU who "saw the light" in Perestroika, seized the republics of the USSR, grabbed them with a stranglehold, believe that they have every right to do whatever they want with the country and the people, BUT for 30 years they have flatly refused to take responsibility for the country and the people, because they captured the USSR exclusively for YOURSELF, and not for the good of the country and the people.
  • Merry_Militarist
    Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 13: 16
    +3
    The author mixed a little both conspiracy theories and "horse-people", and of course sees the USSR in "pink color" exclusively, but it is worth remembering a few points when answering the question "why?":
    1. Ineffective economy skewed towards heavy industry. They let out for the sake of the plan, and even did not think about the technical re-equipment of the factories. The union was never able to dress and feed its citizens appropriately, sorry, the ladies did not even have personal hygiene items.
    2. The Union "Sitting on the Oil Needle" Samotlor played a cruel joke, curtailed all economic reforms. They were selling oil, a non-renewable resource, in exchange for wheat from the United States, as if it transparently hints at the "efficiency of collective farms." Instead of purchasing high-tech machine tools for petrodollars and developing the same genetics, billions were simply consumed!
    3. The attitude of people to people. Enormous lies, silence, eyewash, postscripts, "thugs" dragged everything they could. "Take every nail from work ..." "by pull, by acquaintance" - it all came from there.
    4. The USSR generously distributed resources to the "Allies", built "there" when it was necessary to build "here" and invest in its own people, and not in a stranger.
    An exclusively personal opinion, I do not impose on anyone.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 December 2020 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Merry_Militarist
      4. The USSR generously distributed resources to the "Allies", built "there" when it was necessary to build "here" and invest in its own people, and not in a stranger.
      An exclusively personal opinion, I do not impose on anyone.

      Let's remember together.
      1. Merry_Militarist
        Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 13: 59
        0
        Excellent propaganda, now look out the window and how is it? Does the minimalism of shabby Khrushchevs and Brezhnevs inspire? And living there is a mansion!) Yes, and judging by the fact that the "housing issue" was not resolved until the end of the USSR, it was still necessary to build more, and most importantly, of better quality, and not a bummer.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 December 2020 14: 26
          +2
          Quote: Merry_Militarist
          now look out the window and how is it? Does the minimalism of shabby Khrushchevs and Brezhnevs inspire?

          The USSR is gone for 30 years !!! Can you imagine what a colossal leap the USSR would have made during these 30 years of timelessness ?!
          Or do you think that the Cossacks would drive?
          1. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 14: 32
            -1
            With that economic formation, there would have been no breakthrough. Due to the general backwardness of the economy, industrial base, falling oil prices, unresolved social issues. They would also pump oil / gas - sell it over the hill - eat up the money, as it has been since the 60s.
            We would have driven not in Cossacks, but in, say, Zhiguli, after waiting 10 years.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 December 2020 14: 53
              0
              Quote: Merry_Militarist
              With that economic formation, there would have been no breakthrough. Due to the general backwardness of the economy, industrial base, falling oil prices, unresolved social issues. They would also pump oil / gas - sell it over the hill - eat up the money, as it has been since the 60s.

              Tell me, how old are you? belay
              1. Merry_Militarist
                Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 15: 00
                +1
                I don’t understand your appeals to my age, is this an indicator of my mind? The question is completely tactless. But I will answer, I still managed to live in the same USSR.
                1. solzh
                  solzh 3 December 2020 14: 18
                  +22
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  The question is completely tactless

                  A woman or what?
                  Quote: Merry_Militarist
                  I still managed to live in the same USSR.

                  Based on the stories in your comments, I strongly doubt that you found the USSR.
                  1. Merry_Militarist
                    Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 14: 29
                    -2
                    It is clear that the norms of etiquette are unknown to you.
                    Based on the stories in your comments, I strongly doubt that you found the USSR.

                    Pfft, these "fables" are quite possible for yourself on the same YouTube, it was relatively recent.
        2. savage1976
          savage1976 1 December 2020 14: 54
          -3
          For fighters for a bright future, "You are lying." they did not need apartments, clothes, a smartphone, money, they were exclusively aimed at self-development, space exploration, bringing benefits to society. Now, under the capitalists, give them a piece of sausage, but then, we don't need bread, let's work.
          1. Merry_Militarist
            Merry_Militarist 1 December 2020 15: 04
            0
            What are you? Why did the people stand in queues for sausage? (Did her darling even ride trains to Moscow?) Clothes and tape recorders, as it turned out, were very much appreciated and needed. You tell some cold epics. Well, let's be honest, this "Yaroslavna's cry" looks like an excuse for the lost camp.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 1 December 2020 13: 18
    +3
    The Soviet socialist civilization was not destroyed by Gorbachev and Yeltsin - they just accelerated the process. And not the CIA and NATO - these were generally not ready for the collapse of the USSR. They needed the USSR as a bogeyman to justify huge budgetary investments in their structures. Who's to blame? The two main culprits are the Soviet nomenklatura and the Soviet man. As a teenager, I read poems of a Soviet poet, in which he branded an insolent foreign tourist. And there was this line: "We did not conquer you with tanks, we will conquer you with jeans and chewing gum." But the poet probably didn't even understand himself how he was right! Soviet people in the 70s and 80s yearned for the same stores as in the decaying West. And the comrades of the nomenklatura were eager to have the same right to dispose of factories-factories-shops, as foreign bourgeoisie with all the ensuing material benefits. I remember very well the crowded rallies and demonstrations of the late 80s, where the popular masses angrily denounced the CPSU and demanded true democracy, where everything is full. And we got all this in the end. Jeans-gum (and not only) heaps of all the stores. Buy and have what you want. You can buy imported pants, or you can have a factory with all the workers. For which there is money. But the people are still dissatisfied - and where are the Soviet benefits such as the absence of unemployment. prices unchanged for decades, symbolic payment of utility bills, where are all sorts of free benefits and other benefits of Soviet civilization? Yes, nowhere. For having received one thing, you will inevitably have to part with something else. You can sob endlessly for the lost Soviet grace, only this is a useless occupation. It is more rational to accept the bourgeois-market reality and throw all your strength into making money in any available (and preferably legal) way. And you will be happy.
  • BAI
    BAI 1 December 2020 13: 19
    +1
    The rulers of America and the Western world in general decided to abandon the movement into space (except for the military and commercial spheres). The fact is that the creation of a new world was killing the old one - capitalism, the domination of a few “chosen” over the masses.

    And why is the United States now taking leaps and bounds in space? This message is only suitable to explain why Russia is now jumping on a trampoline instead of flying into space.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 1 December 2020 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: BAI

      And why is the United States now taking leaps and bounds in space? This message is only suitable to explain why Russia is now jumping on a trampoline instead of flying into space.


      It is loudly said about the "rod", given what degradation has taken place in the space industry (after the landing of a man on the Moon and up to the present time) + humanity is still hanging out in orbit around the Earth. But why there was a new surge of interest in space is an interesting question .... perhaps an alternative to a big war is being worked out, i.e. the problem of overpopulation of the planet in conditions of limited resources looms on the horizon ... for example, in 1000 the population of the Earth was 400 thousand people, in 2020 it is 7 billion 827 million people, by 2100 (according to estimates) 11 billion 184 million, But in addition to the population, there is such a criterion as the quality of life, and each representative of homo sapiens wants to live well, and the amount of resources is limited ... and then either make a big war + birth control or start to develop new territories (space expansion) and perhaps now they are preparing the ground for a jerk in 50-100 years.
  • Avior
    Avior 1 December 2020 13: 22
    +1
    The beautiful is far away! The world of Efremov and Bulychev. Alisa Selezneva.

    smile

    I'm comin 'a tear ... good
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 1 December 2020 13: 32
    +3
    in short, delirium from start to finish ... bully
    I was especially amused by the desire for the stars in the 60s, this is when there were hunger riots in the USSR ... request
    well, the author's passage "People develop atomic energy in order to use it on spaceships, research bases on the moon. They master thermonuclear reactions. They design planetships with nuclear propulsion systems." but in reality ... and it is in the Russian Federation or with its participation ...
    1) The nuclear fuel cycle is closed
    2) ITER is under construction
    3) Nuclon is being developed ...
    It is easy to dream of light and to criticize, all problems are attributed to the oligarchs too ... but well ... to lift it off the couch and do something in reality is not for the author ... hi
  • Tektor
    Tektor 1 December 2020 13: 34
    +1
    There is never one specific reason why the Union turned out to be insolvent. But there is the second most important after the idiocy of leadership. Failed to make profitable food production. To produce meat, milk and almost everything else was unprofitable for the collective farmers. Therefore, the entire village was in decline, in different stages of decay. As a result, we admitted defeat and began to buy food from the west.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 1 December 2020 13: 42
    -1
    Eh, Alexander, only made me sad (
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 14: 14
      +21
      We must not be sad, but strive for the restoration of Soviet power and order. I just don’t know how ...
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 3 December 2020 15: 15
        +1
        It is necessary and even necessary for the salvation of our Motherland.
      2. Merry_Militarist
        Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 15: 38
        -2
        Let me tell you how: you need to gather all your hungry for communism, get on an icebreaker and sail to Antarctica, there to arrange a revolution for the penguins with the capture of the Winter Palace!
        Neighing Zhirinovsky.jpg
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 1 December 2020 13: 52
    +2
    And not tired?
    Every month there are similar articles with water about the collapse of the Union.
    Without specifics, without statistics, but with invariable denunciation of everyone and everything. The West, bureaucrats, Trotskyists, and everyone else ...
    And in general, everything is heard, it hits a sore point, but it is absolutely useless - anyone can give it out if he practices coherent calligraphy ...
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 1 December 2020 14: 00
    0
    Thermonuclear reactions are taking over.

    With whom, alas and ah, but the "hitch" came out because they encountered problems not of an applied, but of a fundamental nature.
    Moreover, the work has not stopped until today, being carried out in parallel in the countries of the European Union, the USSR / Russia, the USA, China and Japan.
    airships

    Perhaps surprising to you, semi-rigid airships are quite used. In its rather narrow niche.
    The time of rigid giant airships has passed with the progress in the field of aircraft construction. There is no niche for them these days, except perhaps for an exotic "air cruise liner" for very wealthy passengers.
    high-speed magnetic levitation trains

    They exist quite well in our reality. Until 2006, a magnetic levitation train track was operated in Emsland (Germany). Currently, magnetic levitation train lines are in operation in Shanghai (China) and Incheon (South Korea).
    underwater nuclear cargo

    Why should they be underwater? Simply put - what for to carry, in addition to the cargo, also a large number of tons of water in ballast tanks?
    Advanced (and at the same time ancient) methods of physical education and hardening are being introduced, each generation of people is stronger and healthier than the previous one

    "Ancient best practices" this, let me know which ones?
    Psychonetics is introduced into education
    superpowers

    Neither one nor the other exists. From the word "in general".
    As Stalin planned
    A new golden age of culture and art

    Total censorship, the total dominance of the so-called. "socialist realism", reducing art to almost exclusively a means of propaganda directly contradicts the freedom of creativity, if anything.
    The rest of the time a person can devote to spiritual, intellectual and physical development.

    Does "may" mean exactly "may" or "should"?
    noospheric manor house building

    And what do you understand by these words?
    villages on a new level

    On a new level, how exactly?
    Reenactors, archaeologists and historians recreating traditions from different eras

    And why should these same traditions be recreated (and not just studied)?
    PS: More precisely, if it is done as a hobby, on a private (personal) initiative and without the participation of the state, this hobby is no worse and no better than other means of leisure. But if we are talking about something that is done exactly the opposite, by the forces of the state ...
    join the achievements of the consumer society
    open the way to personal philistine happiness

    But is this here
    live in their estates
    life blessings and wonderful technique, technology

    Aren't there the same "personal philistine happiness" and "consumer society" so (for some unknown reason) unloved by you?
    Millions of people are being freed from the daily, bleak and often slave labor.
    people who will restore forests and great rivers

    If you think that "restoring forests and rivers" is not hard, extremely exhausting physical labor in unfavorable conditions of such work ... You are a little mistaken, alas ...
    Any social parasitism is obvious and doomed

    What do you mean by "social parasitism"? Because you mentioned
    Reenactors recreating the traditions of different eras

    in fact, they can also be characterized as social parasites. After all, these people do not create either material values, or new technologies, or make a serious contribution to increasing the amount of knowledge available to society, or even create some kind of mass entertainment product.
    PS: Although as one of the ways to "utilize" the efforts and time of people who have become "superfluous" as a result of robotization of production - quite.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 1 December 2020 14: 12
    -3
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The slave does not want the abolition of slavery. The slave wants to have his slaves. (FROM)

    .....
    Serfdom is a purely Russian "invention".

    I forgot to add in the spirit of navlnat or others similar to them - "this .... in no other country!" aha! fool
  • iouris
    iouris 1 December 2020 14: 13
    0
    The USSR existed and developed successfully because the USSR had a goal. The state was destroyed. There is no more target. And civilization comes later.
    First, tell me, how much did the wreckage of the USSR cost? The question should be posed as follows: "who needed it" ?, and "who earned on this and how much?"
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 43
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      because the USSR had a goal. D

      will you name her? bully
      1. iouris
        iouris 1 December 2020 14: 45
        +1
        It is indicated in the Program of the CPSU, adopted at the XXII Congress. And where is the purpose of the Russian Federation indicated?
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 1 December 2020 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          It is indicated in the Program of the CPSU, adopted at the XXII Congress.

          building communism? Well, built? or instead of communism got collapse? bully
          Quote: iouris
          And where is the purpose of the Russian Federation indicated?

          fools / clerks need a goal, smart ones just live, work and get rich in their country ... hi
          1. iouris
            iouris 1 December 2020 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: DrEng527
            smart just live

            While they live. While getting rich.
            You cannot make stone chambers by righteous labor (folk wisdom).
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 1 December 2020 19: 49
              +1
              Quote: iouris
              you will not make stone chambers (

              do you live in a hut?
              Quote: iouris
              While they live. While getting rich.

              everything is temporary in this world bully if it's not a secret - why are you so sad? hi
              1. iouris
                iouris 2 December 2020 10: 44
                0
                Quote: DrEng527
                why are you so sad?

                Because the coffin has no pockets.
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 2 December 2020 14: 28
                  0
                  Quote: iouris
                  Because the coffin has no pockets.

                  since you are a materialist, then you live well now ... request
  • 1536
    1536 1 December 2020 14: 16
    +1
    If we talk about the future of humanity, then it should be said that modern man, as a species, poses a danger to the existence of himself and the Universe as a whole. Specific examples, I think, is not necessary, it is enough to look at the "elections in the USA", local wars, or devastated after the "mining" of minerals and deforestation of space on Earth, polluted lakes and rivers, millions of hungry people with the provocative wealth of individual representatives of society , barbarity in human relations. As for the citizens of the USSR, it was hardly accidental that, in just less than 10 years (1990s), all the "socialist gloss" with bright ideas for the future vanished, like morning fog from 1/6 of the land. True, one cannot but say that the people were led to these "glorious accomplishments" by the leadership of a certain "party", the top of which was reborn during the 20-40 post-war years and by the 1980s was ready for any dirty trick. Alas, the German attack on the USSR, the destruction by the Germans, their allies and accomplices of tens of millions of Soviet citizens for the sake of the very destruction of people, did their job. This was clearly felt at the turn of the 1970s and 1980s. and later, during the years of "perestroika", it turned into a catastrophe and the collapse of the USSR.
    Therefore, the higher mind, if it exists, uses the Earth today as a museum, a kind of "Center Man", showing the rest of the intelligent inhabitants of the Universe how not to do, how not to live. Well, if we assume that a negative result is also a result, then you just need to relax and enjoy the rebirth of a Homo sapiens in Homo deus, as some researchers of social relations of the future predict today. It's time to come to your senses and really think about the future, i.e. wait and bring the second coming closer?
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  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 1 December 2020 14: 26
    +2

    In fact, there would be another round of the arms race in the bipolar world. Everything that was invented then and is invented now is first tried on for military purposes.
    Space? Just a new testing ground and a site for placing weapons.
    The history of mankind is one continuous war. Only the invention of the atomic bomb prevented the Third World War in the classical sense and replaced it with continuous local and hybrid wars.

    But in general, the article of the author Samsonov is pleasant for its sincerity and faith in good, which unfortunately does not exist ...
  • Ragnarok
    Ragnarok 1 December 2020 14: 29
    0
    The more the ring contracts, the sharper the contradictions and conflicts become, the more robbed and thrown to the sidelines become, the more and more clearly the differences between the heroic and the vile appear, the more inevitable becomes the need not to restructure society, but to eliminate it by force of arms, the closer we come to the point where every person who has not filled himself with filth can only fight.
    All attempts to challenge the universal octopus ended in the fact that people were overcome by an internal reptile, requiring a warm place and personal comfort, strangling everything good and beautiful and filling the human soul with its secretions, largely because the vigilance of citizens turned out to be lulled, and the feeling of the critical moment of the struggle came to not because of the initially insufficient intensity of rage, a false sense of security, a lack of a genuine desire to strain inner forces in the name of ideals and a lack of understanding of the very essence of the struggle.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 1 December 2020 14: 50
    +1
    Even Lenin wrote that party arrogance can destroy the proletarian state. Expressing other people's thoughts, we also become slaves. "Fools are not those who make mistakes. Fools are those who repeat them." quality played a positive role during epidemics. As it turned out, it was not a pandemic that was terrible, but panic. The existence of the USSR showed what kind of state we need. Avoiding mistakes. One more thing. When there is no controversy about the future in the ruling elite, there will certainly be a rollback.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 1 December 2020 15: 02
    0
    "And attempts to resist and manifest common sense, like those of Lukashenka in White Russia"



    Author, are you normal? Lukashenka common sense? This devil generally denied that there was a covid, for him in Belarus the daughter of the people died, because the doctors could not provide assistance.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 1 December 2020 15: 13
    +1
    The construction of the USSR was strongly personified.
    Leni built one country, Trotsky - another, Stalin the third, Khrushchev, like a drinking father - the misfortune of the family, destroyed and disgraced, Brezhnev kept a dilapidated Stalinist building with marks from Khrushchev for a long time, Gorbachev brought home all street crooks, bandits and scoundrels, declared them friends and good people, while allowing them to do whatever they want. After drinking with his friends, Yeltsin pulled out the props and divided the logs, bricks, slate, boards and the plot itself.
    The people paid for all these experiments, sometimes getting something for it, but more often they did not.
    It is a pity that the unknown jealous man who threw Yeltsin from the dacha bridge into the dacha rivulet did not tie a burnt and rusty grate to his head. Then we would have received proof that the collapse of the USSR was not predetermined, as many are now convincing us.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 14: 08
      +22
      Quote: faterdom
      Leni built one country, Trotsky another, Stalin a third

      Trotsky did not build anything. Absolutely. He was an agitator, an orator, but he did not lead the country. He is a party worker.
      Stalin built the country according to the precepts of Lenin. You shouldn't separate them. Stalin called himself a student of Lenin, an adherent and successor of Lenin's cause.
  • for
    for 1 December 2020 16: 07
    +3
    Always, Everywhere, Everyone, etc., etc. wins HUMAN GREEDE, as well as all the troubles from her.
  • Bastinda
    Bastinda 1 December 2020 17: 27
    +2
    Until the darkness triumphs, or it will not be rebuffed, like our great-grandfathers in 1941-1945, and red banners are hung in Brussels, London and Washington.

    And over the Kremlin, you don't need a red banner for this?
  • Eroma
    Eroma 1 December 2020 18: 12
    -2
    Honestly, I haven't read it, it's all utopia! Have you forgotten about alcoholism in the USSR? Have you forgotten about extensive development? And today's problem is about low labor productivity, also from the USSR laughing
    But I don’t argue that in general the USSR had a good idea with poor implementation.
    1. c2020
      c2020 1 December 2020 19: 03
      +1
      Why did the Soviet civilization die

      And she did not die... On the contrary, the civilization of privatizers and perestroika has died. Russia is still holding on to Soviet civilization, despite all efforts to ruin the country.
      1. Eroma
        Eroma 2 December 2020 00: 14
        0
        There were more good than bad in the USSR, I agree and agree with Putin that the collapse of the USSR is a tragedy crying

        But if she died, then there were reasons, otherwise we would now plow the vastness of space fellow

        Science and industry were highly developed in the USSR, but for some reason the life of people was in tenth roles. This finished off the USSR winked
    2. iouris
      iouris 1 December 2020 19: 54
      0
      Quote: Eroma
      the USSR in general had a good idea with poor implementation

      And the idea to build capitalism in a single Russian Federation is just a good implementation.
      1. Eroma
        Eroma 2 December 2020 00: 18
        0
        I live normally, although under constant stress belay I want to live in peace, but this is very difficult for us what
        1. iouris
          iouris 2 December 2020 10: 41
          0
          Quote: Eroma
          it's very difficult for us

          Remember the film "Intergirl": a Swede in Leningrad and the same Swede in Sweden.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 1 December 2020 23: 29
    -1
    The Soviet Union was ruined by an unsystematic arch-lie, the disgustingly obsessive propaganda of a dubious theoretician, the growing incompetence of planners and the inability to act truly methodically.

    Non-systemic arch-lie. People were taught that everything is now state and they are free from exploiters - in fact, the state turned into a kind of crazy planter-abolitionist who was so obsessed with the idea of ​​universal liberation of slaves from dependence that he drove his slaves to the point of madness for this purpose. Of course, I am expressing myself figuratively - but I cannot explain otherwise what scale of funds and minds were directed OUTSIDE the USSR, despite the fact that the life of ordinary people inside the country was far from ideal. For years, the state rubbed the people that SO NECESSARY, justified, let down, and then angrily denounced the regimes that threw the USSR and their "vile imperialist accomplices", whom the USSR had helped with weapons or loans yesterday. First, they lied about enemies of the people and traitors to their homeland, then they lied about the "Stalinist terror", then people were hanged noodles about communism by 1980 and so on. It is better to keep silent about the first 20 years of the USSR, there were so many lies that the ears wither.
    As a result, the civilized world realized that the USSR was hopelessly far from it by the mid-60s, and the uncivilized world realized that the USSR could be milked like a cow. The Soviet people split into two camps - one believed in any game and shiza, which was pushed through TV and the press (and these people still believe), the second did not believe absolutely anything, preferring often "Schizo" passive resistance to the observed mess.

    Disgustingly obsessive propaganda. Absolutely apolitical people, either because of their mindset, or because of their intellectual needs, or because of their life or religious reasons, yes damn it, even AGING, were imposed a politot. The disgusting, sticky, enveloping human world - do not go there, do not think so, this is hate, this is blame, there, here, and there are good guys - and so on. The history of the CPSU (b) in universities is just the tip of the iceberg - the notorious "politics" hung over a person like a flock of harpies, and rushed at him every time, declaring how to live, where to work, what to believe, etc. As a result, people are generally far from this, but the cunning ones with hindsight crawled everywhere, and the remnants of meaning through a generation or two were replaced by stupid demagoguery and bureaucratic idiocy.

    The growing incompetence of planners. Grows up from the previous point. People were forced to exist in doublethink, and often it was the ability to such an organic existence in the system that was the "bonus" that gave the career a run - and since the USSR was a deeply hierarchical bureaucracy, verbiage without special principles appeared in the posts of people making real decisions who surrounded themselves with the same people. Slovobluds do not know how to solve problems - they know how to skillfully pass off "stagnation" for "triumph of will", which actually happened at the apogee of the empire.

    Failure to act truly methodically. Methodically, this is when "Operation Anadyr" ends not with the withdrawal of some missiles from Turkey, but with negotiations on a nuclear-free Europe in principle.
    This is when there are no "thaws" and "tightening the nuts." This is when in the lunar race, the state is really dying (in terms of concentration of funds and control over projects) in order to be the First. And when there is no such thing as "growing deficit" - there are needs, and they are methodically covered - due to overproduction, which goes to the CMEA. And the CMEA itself also methodically begins to work from the point of view of the interests of our planning and our economy, and this is not all that was.

    The USSR lacked wisdom and real, non-stereotyped care about the quality of life of its "builders", who often met the collapse of "the most just state in the world" with a room in the barracks.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 14: 05
      +22
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The Soviet Union was ruined by an unsystematic arch-lie, the disgustingly obsessive propaganda of a dubious theoretician, the growing incompetence of planners and the inability to act truly methodically

      Instead of the Soviet Union, put the Russian Federation and your comment will have a modern truth.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 3 December 2020 14: 17
        +1
        Vooot! And here we caught on to the sad essence of the fact that the USSR with its mistakes did not end at all - we are quite continuing this line of utter idiocy, divorced from the social state.
        Now, in many ways, people are in power who, in their 20s, found the period that I described. They were trained on "that" system, they absorbed its laws and principles, and even when everything was over, they continue to think by its criteria, so deeply and firmly the cast-iron hammer of Soviet propaganda drove it all into their heads.
        We should build a new country based on the very specific needs of the citizens of this country and using what we have, as well as the experience of other countries - we will not find answers in the past, neither idealizing, nor repeating, nor denying it.
      2. Merry_Militarist
        Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 15: 41
        -1
        Instead of the Soviet Union, put the Russian Federation and your comment will have a modern truth.

        Coincidence? I don’t think so! (c) And all because the elderly Komsomol members, hiding their membership cards, settled here too.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 December 2020 23: 34
    +2
    The weak point of any social system is the person himself. And in the hierarchical - the elite, which degenerates, and at the same time by any means clings to power and personal well-being.
  • skobars
    skobars 1 December 2020 23: 59
    +4
    Sick Muscovites surrendered to the USSR, it was they who shouted about freedom, democracy and glasnost. And now they are fattening compared to the rest of the country.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 14: 03
      +21
      Muscovites have always lived at the expense of Russia.
  • Merry_Militarist
    Merry_Militarist 2 December 2020 02: 21
    -6
    Quote: Malyuta
    Quote: Tank jacket
    USSR lost the cold

    I disagree. The USSR did not lose. The USSR stupidly surrendered - the "bourgeoisie" led by Gorbachev and Yakovlev.
    Until now, all over the world the Soviet ideas of the USSR are in demand, from politicians to economists.

    What bad bourgeoisie! They want to eat well and good clothes! How dare they dream of such a thing ?!
    Well, yes, tell us where the "ideas of Soviet economists" (which in itself is ridiculous) have been successfully implemented and in demand? Here is the camp economy from the famous Soviet economist Stalin, it is used in North Korea, and I don’t find such progressive countries (no).
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 14: 03
      +21
      Quote: Merry_Militarist
      where are the "ideas of Soviet economists" (which in itself is ridiculous)

      Large Western corporations are successfully using Soviet planning and management. If not, learn the basics of management.
      Quote: Merry_Militarist
      Here is camp economics from the famous Soviet economist Stalin applied in North Korea

      Lying. There is nothing from Stalinism. There is Juche. These are completely different theories. Have you been to the DPRK? No, they weren't. All your knowledge about life in the DPRK is videos from YouTube.
      1. Merry_Militarist
        Merry_Militarist 3 December 2020 14: 26
        -2
        Large Western corporations are successfully using Soviet planning and management. If not, learn the basics of management
        .
        1. Do you distinguish between a corporation and a state? Does the scale bother you? You are our manager. What is macro and micro economics are you aware of? Do you distinguish such a subject as enterprise economics?
        2. Please provide the legal name and location of these corporations.
        Lying. There is nothing from Stalinism. There is Juche. These are completely different theories. Have you been to the DPRK? No, they weren't. All your knowledge about life in the DPRK is videos from YouTube.

        and you were, or maybe you - Kim Jong-un? From Stalinism - there is a cult of the leader's personality, and yet yes, a variation of the planned economy, why are you playing with Vanka?
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 2 December 2020 03: 23
    -1
    Hysterical article ..., missed chances, Khrushchism, Brezhnevism ..., Stalin's legacy. Space is the same utopia as Soviet Socialism - State capitalism, nee ..., it was necessary to build Communism, and not a full-time "Socialist State", which, like Cinderella's carriage, returned to its original state. The majority do not understand that Communism is a Society, without a State ..., a network structure. Naturally, Russia has its own path, if the state does not interfere with this ...
  • kig
    kig 2 December 2020 04: 45
    +1
    I knew that the author was Samsonov.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2020 07: 28
    0
    The Russians had a great chance

    We lose something, we find something .... I hope the period of losses will end, because it's time to find!
    1. Goscha
      Goscha 2 December 2020 20: 02
      -1
      Naive, still ahead ...
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 2 December 2020 08: 22
    -1
    As a fan of the Strugatsky brothers, who bought their 30-volume PSS almost 12 years ago, I can say that in their work there is clearly a departure from a joyfully confident idea of ​​the future ("Noon of the 22nd Century") to pessimism about the prospects of mankind ("Burden Evil "," Doomed City "). And the main question in their later work is not in the plane of the competition between capitalism / socialism (West / East), but in the understanding of the very essence of man: a man, in essence, is evil!
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 2 December 2020 08: 50
    -2
    Lord, again the author's civilizational matrices flooded ...
  • 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 2 December 2020 09: 09
    0
    There is no limit to perfection, even more so in fountains. This is similar to the fate of a clone sheep, when there is everything except the soul that God gives. The entire construction of socialism was doomed and looked like the construction of the Tower of Babel. We Soviet people had everything and plans and dreams, but there was no main God, and without him a natural end, inglorious. And now He is not really.
    1. solzh
      solzh 3 December 2020 13: 59
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      Quote: 9 Shaft
      there is everything except the soul that God gives. The entire construction of socialism was doomed and looked like the construction of the Tower of Babel.

      There was God in the Russian Empire. And where is that empire? Collapsed.