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Ukrainian Armed Forces received a batch of restored armored personnel carriers BTR-80

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Ukrainian Armed Forces received a batch of restored armored personnel carriers BTR-80

The Armed Forces of Ukraine received another batch of restored BTR-80 armored personnel carriers. According to the press service of the Ukrainian military department, the repair and modernization of equipment was carried out at the Nikolaev armored plant.


The company has reportedly completed a contract for the restoration and modernization of BTR-80 armored personnel carriers with improved tactical and technical characteristics. As stated at the Nikolaev armored plant, during the overhaul and modernization of equipment, the operation of units and assemblies was restored, the latest observation, navigation and communication devices of Ukrainian production were installed.

After improving the tactical and technical characteristics, armored personnel carriers have become more convenient to operate in the dark, because they are equipped with the latest thermal imagers. Visibility and target recognition are also significantly improved. And the new BTR-80 digital communication devices comply with NATO standards and have a high level of protection against radio interception.

- said the director of the Nikolaev BTZ Yuri Kravchenko.

The number of recovered equipment is not reported, however, judging by the photos from the enterprise, five armored personnel carriers BTR-80 were prepared for the transfer to the Armed Forces. According to the press service of the enterprise, the equipment has already been transferred to the divisions.
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  1. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 28 November 2020 16: 28
    +9
    It's not even a company kit.
    1. Borik
      Borik 28 November 2020 16: 32
      +9
      The main thing is beautifully painted.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 28 November 2020 16: 38
        +1
        And so it is always - they drink, beat, and then restore. lol
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 28 November 2020 17: 07
          -7
          Quote: tatarin1972
          It's not even a company kit.

          Quote: Borik
          The main thing is beautifully painted.

          Quote: bessmertniy
          And so it is always - they drink, beat, and then restore.

          they don't have a pittance ... to fix files? bye ... and paint watercolors ... and buy paper "bayraktars". gee. and here we have, whether it is: "armata" companies, "hunters" regiments, SU57-hundreds! we are rich, we are rich! Like small children in a sandbox by God ... you read, well, teenagers are alone ...
          1. Vitaly161
            Vitaly161 28 November 2020 17: 19
            +5
            everything is fine with us, we are rearming ourselves, we are modernizing what we have, we are developing a new one, only the rabbits will be born quickly
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 17: 29
              -3
              Quote: Vitaliy161
              everything is fine with us, we are rearming ourselves, we are modernizing what we have, we are developing a new one, only the rabbits will be born quickly

              It would be all right, PAK YES would have already flown. Nothing is normal with us, and until we build a real economy, it will not be normal. And to look at how the Russophobic state is arming at our borders, and laughing at the same time, is simply stupid.
              1. Vitaly161
                Vitaly161 28 November 2020 17: 42
                +8
                why do you need PAK YES? the real economy is developing, this is not a matter of 1-2 years or even 20, the technology is not now in the 20s of the 19th century, and not even 50, but you cannot look beyond your nose, and you cannot, you are such a breed
                and what can Ukraine oppose to the RF Armed Forces? Or did Ze decide to eat with his tie? one prezik Russophobe tried already, everyone knows how it ended, and now our army is stronger than in 08
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 17: 59
                  -13%
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  the real economy is developing,

                  Where is your economy developing? More oil is sold per cordon, you call it the economy?
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  this business is not 1-2 years or even 20, the technology is not now 20s of the 19th century

                  The economic recovery of the USSR, after the war, was almost completed by 1953. 1953 - 1945 = 8, that is, the USSR managed to restore its economy in 8 years. This regime has ruled for 30 years. How much more time does it take? 50 years? 100? Anything to object?
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  yes, you can't look beyond your nose, and you can't, from that kind of breed you are

                  I omit transitions to personalities. Everyone does this when there are not enough arguments, you are not the first, you are not the last.
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  and what can Ukraine oppose to the RF Armed Forces? Or did Ze decide to eat with his tie?

                  Nothing today. And tomorrow? Who knows with whom it will have an alliance, to whom will it provide its territory for military bases?
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  one prezik Russophobe tried already, everyone knows how it ended, and now our army is stronger than in 08

                  They will try us "to the teeth" all the time, and the weaker we are, the more often.
                  1. Vitaly161
                    Vitaly161 28 November 2020 18: 14
                    +5
                    so you even look at the book you see a fig, you compare the technologies of the 50s and the current ones, but stop, it's just more convenient for you to manipulate the numbers, and who doesn't trade oil from those who have it? Yes, everyone sells) this is normal, high-tech industries are developing, microelectronics, shipbuilding, aircraft construction, machine tools, the nuclear industry, animal husbandry, milk, the Rostov region has harvested a record grain harvest! is not enough for you?
                    why should we attack someone? we have a defensive doctrine, on the basis of this, the defense budget is planned and the supply of certain weapons is planned, and the principle of sufficiency has not been canceled, but no matter who the Ukrainians will have an alliance with, who will not dare to attack the Russian Federation, otherwise the whole world in dust
                    Py.Sy, it was not a transition to personalities, it was a statement of fact (for example, did you know that in our country in one provincial town there is a plant for the production of fuel dispensers? And it is the only one in the country)
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 18: 43
                      -4
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      even looking at the book you see a fig, you will compare the technologies of the 50s and the present,

                      What's the difference between the two, technology I mean? I, specializing in ACS-shnik, in this area, for example, today everything is much simpler.
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      high-tech industries are developing, microelectronics too,

                      Please give examples. What I see is not suitable for development. For example, Voronezh, open the same Wikipedia and see how many "science-intensive" enterprises there have been closed since 2000.
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      aircraft construction, machine tool construction

                      Aren't you funny yourself? The aircraft to replace the An 2 has not yet been put into production. There is no engine. Machine-tool building. We are critically dependent on imports.
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      livestock, milk

                      In my village 8 years ago the herd was over 100 heads, now less than 20. Milk is taken at 20 rubles. per liter and barley costs from 14 rubles. Is it profitable to engage in cattle? Therefore, they sell grain abroad, which is more expensive there, and let their own cattle die.
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      Rostov region has harvested a record grain harvest!

                      Record compared to what? You've probably heard that forests are now allowed to be leased (with felling)? So, it was mainly about agricultural plots overgrown with forest. This is about 60 million hectares, as the territory of Germany and half of Poland. That is, it is lost for agricultural land. Such are the "successes".
                      1. Vitaly161
                        Vitaly161 28 November 2020 19: 14
                        +9
                        I wonder, where did you find forests in the Rostov region? We have steppe, steppe) do not pour cattle at the expense of cattle, my mother-in-law keeps 25 heads in Kotelnikovo, only on the farm and lives (not profitable, nevertheless, sadness) and who is does he feed the cows with grain? They eat hay and straw, they give chopped grain only after calving (so that the heifer rises faster)
                        I don’t even want to comment on further, because delirium and delirium pokes, but I’ll write a few words, there is an engine for the replacement An 2 (TVS 117 seems to be called) the fact is that an An 2-type machine is not profitable, although even projects are in metal, only they are not needed
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 19: 44
                        -4
                        Quote: Vitaliy161
                        Interestingly, this is where you found the forest in the Rostov region?

                        And where did I talk about forests in the Rostov region?
                        Quote: Vitaliy161
                        and who feeds the cows with grain? They eat hay and straw, they give chopped grain only after calving (so that the heifer rises faster)

                        At different periods of lactation periods, up to 8 kilograms per day are given concentrates, they only give straw to rams, and perhaps they still have hay for goats. https://www.agritimes.ru/articles/1954/kormovaya-korzina-korovy/ read at least here, only to this you still need to add cake-meal, there is an irreplaceable protein, plus BVK, will be more or less, and trace elements are counted. Plus, a first aid kit is not cheap at all today. What you wrote, put it on the farmer, amuse the people. You, as I understand it, only saw a cow in the picture?
                        Quote: Vitaliy161
                        but I'll write a few words, there is an engine for the An 2 changer (TVS 117 seems to be called) the fact is that an An 2-type machine is not profitable, although even projects are in metal, only they are not needed

                        Those like you, I watch, do not need anything, just to show Solovyov on TV and "time ahead".
                      3. Vitaly161
                        Vitaly161 28 November 2020 20: 00
                        +6
                        Agas, I also know how to use Google, only you don't shine with this knowledge, then you feed your cows with grain, and now I've googled, don't vote for bulk for God's sake at 24, it's better for Sobchak)
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 20: 10
                        -6
                        Quote: Vitaliy161
                        Agas, I also know how to use Google, only you don't shine with this knowledge, then you feed your cows with grain, and now I've googled, don't vote for bulk for God's sake at 24, it's better for Sobchak)

                        I myself kept cows and for more than one year, until I moved to the city. Your fictional aunt feeding the cows with straw certainly amused me. Before you give examples, at least read something on the topic. And for whom I vote, I myself will somehow figure it out. And by the way, what do you remember so often in bulk? How is it related to him? Write honestly, I promise, I won't tell anyone.
                      5. Vitaly161
                        Vitaly161 28 November 2020 20: 43
                        +1
                        Agas, you are a roommate and no more, you don’t even know how to be friends with Google, therefore you feed the cows with grain, straw also goes to feed the cows, but in smaller quantities, and in rare cases (when there is a shortage of hay it replaces it) and yes, I I lived in the village for only a year, but I know such a trivial thing, unlike you keeping cows, and in general you need to write fables, it turns out well, really
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 21: 19
                        -4
                        Quote: Vitaliy161
                        Agas, you are an indoor balabol and no more, you don't even know how to be friends with Google, therefore you feed the cows with grain, straw also goes to feed the cows, ...

                        Answered below. May I call you a woodpecker?
                    2. Vitaly161
                      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 20: 44
                      +5
                      https://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/stati/mozhno-li-kormit-korovu-solomoi-kak-sostavit-yekonom-racion-dlja-krs.html первая же ссылка, врали бы хоть правдиво
                    3. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 21: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      https://www.agroxxi.ru/zhivotnovodstvo/stati/mozhno-li-kormit-korovu-solomoi-kak-sostavit-yekonom-racion-dlja-krs.html первая же ссылка, врали бы хоть правдиво

                      "The prime candidates for straw feeding are healthy, well-nourished adult dry cows. These animals have the lowest nutritional requirements of any herd."
                      From your link. Do you understand, I hope, what dry cows are? I will explain it more simply, especially for alternatively gifted characters. Emergency, in the absence of hay, you can give the cow good straw, but you will not see milk from her, neither quantitatively nor in terms of fat. If you give straw all the time, you will screw up her stomach. Concentrates are given according to the principle that the more milk yield, the more concentrates. You can't overfeed the same, it will inflate. Succulent feed is used to increase milk yield in quantitative terms. If your dairy cow gives less than 10 liters on average for lactation, then this is "meat" and you can feed her even with the soles of your boots, this is just a "big goat". A normal cow gives from 25 on average for lactation and needs appropriate nutrition. For details on the farmer ru, there are 200 pages only on cattle nutrition, at the same time, have fun with your straw.
                    4. Vitaly161
                      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 21: 48
                      +3
                      yes yes, I already understood everything about you, you are only reading the first lines, so read the same farmer.ru, and do not prove what you don’t know, straw is included in the daily ration, up to 5 kg, and this is far from even half of the daily ration of a cow , so go be smart to another place, and yes, I'm afraid you are a woodpecker)
                    5. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 22: 19
                      -2
                      Quote: Vitaliy161
                      yes yes, I already understood everything about you, you are only reading the first lines, so read the same farmer.ru, and do not prove what you don’t know, straw is included in the daily ration, up to 5 kg, and this is far from even half of the daily ration of a cow , so go be smart to another place, and yes, I'm afraid you are a woodpecker)

                      U D, N. Puchkova, there is an apt expression: "A young stupid person."
                      PS The site changes the word, but I think you can guess.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 November 2020 20: 54
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Those like you, I watch, do not need anything, just to show Solovyov on TV and "time ahead".

            Why don't you like the Time-Forward program? Do you become violent when they show the country's success in industrial production and its construction on a zombie box? Well, listen to "Echo of Moscow" there they always drive crap about the Russian Federation ...
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 21: 22
            -4
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Why don't you like the Time-Forward program?

            I'm afraid to become like you.
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Well, listen to "Echo of Moscow" there they always drive crap about the Russian Federation ...

            I do not like Echo Matzo. In general, I don’t watch TV, about 10 years ago, and I don’t advise you.
          4. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 28 November 2020 21: 37
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Why don't you like the Time-Forward program?

            I'm afraid to become like you.

            Still not as strong as I am on you ...
            In general, I don't watch TV, for about 10 years

            Me too, but I watch the Time-Forward program on the Internet, I doubt that it is shown on the "zombie box", it is being created with public money ...
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 28 November 2020 23: 54
          -1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          the country's successes in industrial production and construction?

          Yeah, like building a kindergarten.
  2. Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 28 November 2020 19: 15
    +3
    but in general look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFbHN_LkMU everything that is given in the video is quietly checked
  3. grindz
    grindz 29 November 2020 09: 13
    0
    Also do not forget that almost 100% of sowing seeds are imported, that 90% of germ eggs for broiler chickens are imported (mainly from Europe). Cattle breeds for breeding are also imported from abroad. I don’t know about pig breeding, I wasn’t interested in the question. God forbid the supplies are closed. In a year, 70% of the population will die out. Stupidly there will be nothing to eat. It remains only to start the war. To take it all by force.
  • Magnat231
    Magnat231 28 November 2020 18: 24
    +2
    I don’t want to argue with anyone, but if you have such poor eyesight, we read it done here. ru, damn it, there for people like you write
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 18: 51
      -3
      Quote: Magnat231
      I don’t want to argue with anyone, but if you have such poor eyesight, we read it done here. ru, damn it, there for people like you write

      Better to watch TV, they talk about it interestingly. And you don't have to learn to read at all, it's unnecessary.
  • Volder
    Volder 28 November 2020 19: 39
    +2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Where is your economy developing?
    To keep abreast of the achievements of the Russian industry, I recommend subscribing to the RussiaPost and Time-forward YouTube channels!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 19: 51
      +1
      Quote: Volder
      To keep abreast of the achievements of the Russian industry, I recommend subscribing to the RussiaPost and Time-forward YouTube channels!

      Thank you, of course, but I can clearly see the "development" of the Russian economy in my city. Just a couple of months ago, the sugar factory was closed, and a third of employees at the MEZ were laid off. I'll recommend you to subscribe to Kamolov's channel, "Prime numbers" is called, there is the same thing about "development" of the economy.
      1. Volder
        Volder 28 November 2020 23: 15
        -3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Just a couple of months ago, the sugar plant was closed, and a third of employees at the MEZ were laid off.
        You need to understand a simple thing: we live in the era of a market economy. This means that economically unprofitable enterprises are being closed, and new ones in demand by the market are opening. There is no sugar deficit in the country, and the sugar factory was probably uncompetitive. The factories are not state-owned, are they? They are private, they are ruled by "effective managers". Business tends to go broke and re-emerge - this is a natural process. It is necessary to look at the situation more broadly.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 23: 26
        0
        Quote: Volder
        You need to understand a simple thing: we live in the era of a market economy. This means that economically unprofitable enterprises are being closed, and new ones in demand by the market are opening.

        You'd better tell me how many "unprofitable" enterprises have closed in 30 years and how many new and "profitable" ones have opened. And tell me, has at least one enterprise comparable to KAMAZ, for example, been built? Everything you have is unprofitable, flying into space is unprofitable, making budgetary places in universities unprofitable, building hospitals unprofitable, geological exploration unprofitable, but what is profitable? To trade in raw materials? The state is not only about the concept of profitability and non-profitability.
      3. Volder
        Volder 29 November 2020 00: 17
        -2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        You better tell me how many "unprofitable" enterprises have closed in 30 years and how many new and "profitable" ones have opened.
        The scale of the closure of the prom. enterprises after 2000 are not large - they are more than covered by the commissioned new enterprises, or are compensated by the expansion of production and modernization of old ones. However, it should be admitted that at the moment in such industries as machine tool and instrument making, the drop in production in the 1990s has not yet been fully compensated. Russia is working on this ...
        And tell me, has at least one enterprise comparable to KAMAZ, for example, been built?
        The gigantomania of the USSR is long in the past, like the USSR itself. Now it makes no economic sense to build such giants from scratch. In market conditions, competition is needed, and competition can be provided by several small enterprises producing the same product. About 35 jobs are created in Russia every year. This is comparable to KAMAZ. For a planned economy, such as in the USSR, it is more convenient to build one giant plant. For a market economy, it is more expedient to develop business, creating conditions for the emergence of many small, medium and large enterprises (but not gigantic ones!).
        The state is not only about the concept of profitability and non-profitability.
        Google it: Myth - nothing is being built in Russia.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 18: 00
    0
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    why do you need PAK YES?

    Do you think that he is not needed?
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 18: 17
      +1
      Armata, Pak Yes, and a little something else, just a way to motivate partners to invest in the development and creation of new weapons (this is so, my thoughts) for this there is no special need and urgency with these projects, so no one is in a hurry with them , and the Tu 95MSM are quite flying for now (the last cars of 87-89 years of release seem to be) besides, the construction of the Tu 160 has been resumed, from this one conclusion suggests itself, PAK YES to our military so far the fuck has not surrendered
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 28 November 2020 18: 27
      -14%
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Quote: Vitaliy161
      why do you need PAK YES?

      Do you think that he is not needed?

      he doesn't think anything at all, there is no logic in his stool, it's just a kremlebot.
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 28 November 2020 18: 38
        0
        you are already defecating, throwing tons of feces here, piling up unfinished
  • Volder
    Volder 28 November 2020 19: 28
    +3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    It would be all right, PAK YES would have already flown. Nothing is normal here, and until we build a real economy, it will not be normal.
    If the United States would have been fine, then the new generation B-21 Raider strategic bomber would have already flown. Until the United States recovers its economy, it won't be normal.
    PS Have you tried to criticize America? Normality is known by comparison.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 19: 56
      -2
      Quote: Volder
      Have you tried to criticize America?

      I tried, moreover, I will say that this is not an example to follow.
      Quote: Volder
      Normality is known by comparison.

      Do you propose to compare the Russian economy with the American economy? Seriously?
      1. Volder
        Volder 28 November 2020 23: 27
        -2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Do you propose to compare the Russian economy with the American economy? Seriously?
        Seriously, of course. The Russian economy is more stable due to a positive trade balance (balance) and a smaller share of the service sector in the structure of the economy than that of the United States. I am already silent about the transcendental external national debt, the "soap bubbles" of banks and business, the "helicopter money" of the Fed, which is like a dead poultice ... America lives beyond its means, Russia - within its means. We may be poorer, but more resistant to all kinds of crises.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 23: 37
          +1
          Quote: Volder
          Seriously, of course. Russia's economy is more resilient thanks to ...

          It is this "stability" I now feel in the store. Everything "steadily rises in price." And from the new year, the increase in excise taxes is promised by the growth of housing and communal services. I saw such stability in the coffin. Watch TV less and go to the store more often. We have already had a week since the "New Year's sales" began, what does this mean? First of all, that the stores do not have planned revenue. Last year, all of these sales started in mid-December. See how many rentals are currently offered. Sustainable economy, are you tired in a day or so? You have to come up with something like that.
          1. Volder
            Volder 29 November 2020 00: 34
            -1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Sustainable economy, are you tired in a day or so? You have to come up with something like that.
            I am not making up, but just comparing the economic indicators of Russia and the United States. The Russian economy itself may seem unstable, but it looks more resilient compared to the American one. In the United States, in addition to the rise in the price of food, there is a shortage of them; people stand in kilometer-long queues at stores. Millions of citizens are lining up for free food ...
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 29 November 2020 00: 03
          +2
          Quote: Volder
          Seriously, of course. The Russian economy is more stable due to a positive trade balance (balance) and a smaller share of the service sector in the structure of the economy than that of the United States.

          It can be seen that the dollar is 75, and the cheapest pack of cigarettes that I bought in the store yesterday is 100 wooden ones.
          1. Volder
            Volder 29 November 2020 00: 25
            -4
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            $ 75 each, and the cheapest pack of cigarettes that I bought in the store yesterday is 100 wooden ones.
            Cheaper nat. currency for Russia is not so scary due to the positive trade balance. And the more expensive cigarettes and alcohol, the better - the people will be healthier. Never understood people with bad habits, what motivates them?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 29 November 2020 06: 10
            0
            Quote: Volder
            Never understood people with bad habits, what motivates them?

            Switch cigarettes to something useful for your healthy lifestyle, will it change a lot?
          3. Volder
            Volder 29 November 2020 10: 09
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Switch cigarettes to something useful for your healthy lifestyle, will it change a lot?
            We take a calculator and count. 1 pack costs 100 rubles. A person smokes at least 1 pack per day. That is, he will smoke 30 packs a month, and 360 packs a year. Multiply 360 by 100 rubles, we get 36000 rubles. With this money, you can annually rest in a sanatorium. And most importantly, it is enough just not to smoke, so as not to poison the body with nicotine and smoke. Google why smoking is harmful. Smoking cessation is a free organizational activity available to everyone with a clear positive impact. You are complaining about the high cost of cigarettes, but for me this problem does not exist at all. I wish you to make it to your pension (up to 65 years old). Do not hold out - you yourself will be to blame.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 28 November 2020 17: 55
    -6
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    everything is fine with us, we are rearming ourselves, we are modernizing what we have, we are developing a new one, only the rabbits will be born quickly

    In 2015, PR specialists at Uralvagonzavod argued that the Armata technology would last for a century. Five years later, the latest generation tank, of course unparalleled, was never put into production. Moreover, Uralvagonzavod said that this miracle of technology will become obsolete in the 2040s.

    If so, the Research and Testing Institute of Armored Weapons and Technology began developing a new "tank of the future", of course, unparalleled ...

    And everything was so beautiful. “The T-14 is the world's only third-generation post-war tank. According to military experts, "Armata" is a new word in tank building and has no analogues in the world. This is a fundamentally new and completely Russian development, ”says the UVZ website.

    And suddenly it turned out that this perfect killing machine has not yet been completed and is not needed by anyone. Even the Russian army refuses to buy it.
    And there are practically no export orders.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 18: 20
      +2
      everything is clear with Armata for a long time, turn on your head at last, all the fuss around her, this is an attempt to squeeze out funds from the partners to develop an answer that has no analogues in the world, she will be in the troops, but obviously not in quantities of T72, conscripts, however, for the levers of Armata you will not plant
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 28 November 2020 18: 28
        -6
        Quote: Vitaliy161
        everything is clear with Armata for a long time,

        it's with you, everything is clear ... "Putin's detachments" ...
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 28 November 2020 18: 38
          +3
          walk through the forest
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 29 November 2020 00: 07
            -2
            Quote: Vitaliy161
            walk through the forest

            You would at least put punctuation marks, but with a capital letter you wrote sentences, our hate.
    2. Volder
      Volder 28 November 2020 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      In 2015, PR specialists at Uralvagonzavod argued that the Armata technology would last for a century. Five years later, the latest generation tank was never put into production.
      Technology and production are not the same! No need to confuse and confuse concepts.
      And suddenly it turned out that this perfect killing machine has not yet been completed and is not needed by anyone. Even the Russian army refuses to buy it.
      And suddenly it turned out that the Ministry of Defense changed its priorities to another, more needed weapon that has no analogues - hypersonic missiles, Poseidons, the creation of the Su-57 and Tu-160M2, electronic warfare systems, radar ... You need to understand that in modern warfare, tanks are allowed into the battle is the last thing along with the infantry, when the sky is cleared, the enemy's military bases and airfields are destroyed. The concept of wars has changed, the XNUMXst century is in the yard.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 20: 17
        -3
        Quote: Volder
        And suddenly it turned out that the Ministry of Defense changed its priorities to another, more necessary weapon that has no analogues

        You don’t find that our priorities change very often. They receive money for development and change priorities, take a look at Roscosmos for example. There soon only Rogozin's songs will remain from the "no analogs".
        1. Volder
          Volder 28 November 2020 23: 35
          -2
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          You don’t find that our priorities change very often.
          It is very good that strategies are rapidly changing based on the emerging situation in the world. Considering that many developments have appeared in recent years, some of which have already gone into production, it is quite obvious that money is not wasted. As for Roscosmos, Rogozin has been in charge of it for only 2 years. What do you want from him? However, it is noticeable that some movement has begun there ... - this is a fact, and this is good.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 28 November 2020 23: 41
            0
            Quote: Volder
            it is quite obvious that money is not wasted.

            Blessed is he who believes.
            Quote: Volder
            As for Roskosmos, Rogozin has been in charge of it for only 2 years. What do you want from him? However, it is noticeable that some movement has begun there ... - this is a fact, and this is good.

            But you write this in the next branch: https://topwar.ru/177567-kitajskij-kosmicheskij-apparat-chanje-5-vyshel-na-lunnuju-orbitu.html, the people there will appreciate your humor.
      2. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 28 November 2020 21: 57
        +1
        Hospad, what an amazing childish logic, according to this type, my younger one looks for an excuse for unpleasant questions.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 November 2020 17: 44
    -6
    The article is not complete. In the original, if you look at all the photos, you can see several modernized BRDM 2. The exact number is not specified.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 17: 53
      +1
      this will not change the situation much, Ukraine is not capable of producing BT, only modernization remains
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 28 November 2020 17: 04
    +1
    The main thing is beautifully painted ....... well, maoyartvo they know how ... but what is on the towers of batters .... these are not machine guns and cannons .... these are ultrasonic weapons ..... this is not for military operations but to break up demos
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 November 2020 18: 14
    +2
    Quote: Borik
    The main thing is beautifully painted.

    Water-based emulsion paint.
  • Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 18: 36
    +3
    Quote: Borik
    The main thing is beautifully painted.

    Please pay attention to the newest paint! Ukrainian production !!
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 28 November 2020 19: 20
    0
    Quote: Borik
    The main thing is beautifully painted.

    And this is the most important thing. For fish are caught with a spoon, and devils with a rattle .. The quality of the repair is no longer important
  • garik77
    garik77 28 November 2020 21: 13
    +1
    Not patriotic somehow. Why not in zhovto / blakitny color? Straight some kind of zrada!
    Oh, the correct coloring!
  • Borik
    Borik 28 November 2020 16: 30
    +2
    And where is their vaunted BTR-4 "Bucephalus"?
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      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 28 November 2020 17: 31
        +3
        They still had their new Hammer mortar.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 November 2020 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        So the old Moskalsky is better than your new one.

        Disorder, where the Nazis look, in the camp of de-communization in full, and in the army under NATO, the Moscow-communist armored personnel carriers.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 28 November 2020 17: 07
      +3
      And where is their vaunted BTR-4 "Bucephalus"? ....... where is where in the dustbin of the history of armored vehicles there he should be
      1. Alexander Vorontsov
        Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 18: 42
        +2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        And where is their vaunted BTR-4 "Bucephalus"? ....... where is where in the dustbin of the history of armored vehicles there he should be

        Being, according to the assurances of the Ukrainians, the "war machine of the future", he is stuck in the space-time continuum ...
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 28 November 2020 17: 56
      -9
      Quote: Borik
      And where is their vaunted BTR-4 "Bucephalus"?

      In the same place as "Boomerang" and "Kurganets".
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 28 November 2020 21: 31
        -7
        Quote: RUSS
        In the same place as "Boomerang" and "Kurganets".

        in general, the BTR-4 in various modifications is more than 200 pieces in the world. And two wars have already passed.
        Boomerang and Kurganets platforms are promising.
        Like the BTR 4M.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 November 2020 16: 37
    +4
    On the one hand, only five are not even new cars.
    On the other hand, the plant is working. And not only this one, but also those who make new observation devices, new means of communication. Does anybody want. Banderlog has not died yet.
    And this is very sad.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 28 November 2020 17: 17
      +5
      they do not produce, neither teplaki, nor normal stations (especially NATO standards), all purchased
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 November 2020 18: 21
        0
        Quote: Vitaliy161
        they do not produce, neither teplaki, nor normal stations (especially NATO standards), all purchased

        Labels with the inscription "Made in China" are replaced with "Made in Yukrain".
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 28 November 2020 17: 33
      0
      which make new observation devices, new means of communication

      They do not in Sumeria, they do in Europe. In Sumeria, only the finished products are bolted.
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    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 28 November 2020 16: 49
      +4
      Unfortunately, not soon. They have enough for 20+ years. (Although in many respects it is already a frank kapets) For example, Aviation. It will be enough for another + years (for a picture), and you can forget about combat use now.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 28 November 2020 18: 01
      -8
      Quote: demiurg
      When will the damned legacy of the Muscovite regime end.

      In 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Borisov: it is necessary to modernize old tanks instead of purchasing "Armata".
      The Russian Armed Forces do not seek to massively purchase Armata tanks because of their high cost, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who is in charge of the defense industry, told reporters. Earlier it was reported that the cost of one tank on the Armata platform during serial production will be about 250 million rubles.

      “Well, why flood all the armed forces with Armata, our T-72s are in great demand on the market, everyone takes it, compared to Abrams, Leclercs and Leopards in terms of price, efficiency and quality, their is superior, ”said Mr Borisov.

      In addition to "Armata", the armed forces do not need to purchase in large quantities and "Boomerangs" (wheeled armored personnel carriers of the new generation), the Deputy Prime Minister is sure. “We have no particular need for this. These models are quite expensive in relation to the existing ones, ”he noted.
      According to Yuri Borisov, less money is needed to modernize old equipment, this saves budget funds. “We succeed, having a budget ten times less than NATO countries, due to such effective solutions, when we look at the modernization potential of old models, to solve the tasks set,” Yuri Borisov said.
      1. Volder
        Volder 28 November 2020 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        In 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Borisov: it is necessary to modernize old tanks instead of purchasing "Armata".
        Borisov is absolutely right. Armored vehicles are not an area where you should show off. It is much more necessary to use funds for long-range weapons (missiles, planes, submarines, ships ...).
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 28 November 2020 16: 45
    +6
    The chicken bites by the grain.
    I am absolutely not happy with such news from enemy fields. But.
    1. Amba412
      Amba412 28 November 2020 17: 02
      +2
      I absolutely agree with you. 5 APCs in one area, it's not very fun. Plus that the military industry works.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 28 November 2020 17: 08
        -1
        Five Ukrainian baters in one area is guaranteed coffins on wheels.

        While this chicken is biting grains, some people are sharpening an ax for the chicken))
        Then pluck the chicken - and into the cauldron))
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 28 November 2020 17: 17
          +1
          Do you see what is the matter?
          Today there are five of them. And tomorrow, fifty-two!
          I have always tended to overestimate the enemy rather than underestimate.
          And get unexpected surprises.
          And wasting the lives of fighters in vain are absolutely not our methods. I feel sorry for the people.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 28 November 2020 17: 20
            +1
            Where would fifty-two come from? There for every third one stolen and sold.

            Yes and it burns Ukrainian technology is fun, and with a twinkle in the Donbass.
            1. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 28 November 2020 17: 31
              +2
              Strange things you say. You are from the sect of witnesses to the collapse of the UA
              Sample '14 of the year or what?! ..
              She has not frozen and has not collapsed to this day.
              She is strengthening her weapons in all directions.
              You have to be not far-sighted in order not to see this ...
              Bo, then it's too late to see hi
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 28 November 2020 17: 50
                +5
                I am a citizen of the Lugansk People's Republic, and I know what I am talking about, and we know firsthand about the events of 2014-2015 hi
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 28 November 2020 18: 11
                  0
                  Especially. Why should I tell you something, my dear man! ..
              2. Ros 56
                Ros 56 28 November 2020 17: 55
                +4
                I would barely add to all your dashes, but about armaments I would have deleted the word "my own" in general, they have nothing of their own, even fat, their crown, they buy in Russia. This is ce la vie.
                By the way, what about the IMF's answer and how will things go with the post-New Year's pensions?
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 28 November 2020 18: 05
                  +1
                  Comrade does not agree with you.
                  Your remarks tell me about some kind of hack. And I categorically have no right to allow such events.
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 28 November 2020 18: 14
                    +2
                    You have a right, I myself do not like hats, but this is not the case. So far, from the side of Svidomo politicians, I hear and see some idiots led by a clown. They can do one thing well, fill their pockets and cheat dull-witted commoners, as Hitler did in his time. And then this crowd screamed Hitler kaput. Apparently, this is just the case.
                  2. Quadro
                    Quadro 29 November 2020 23: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Benzorez
                    Comrade does not agree with you.
                    Your remarks tell me about some kind of hack. And I categorically have no right to allow such events.

                    So go prisoner to them, surrender, they are so strong. Even 50 80k with TVP will not help them. The value of 80k with kpw is zero in battle, a coffin on wheels. But you farther croak about a super strong Ukraine with an "incredible" potential to restore rusty hulls from armored personnel carriers.
        2. Amba412
          Amba412 28 November 2020 18: 57
          +3
          Unfortunately, there are specialists there, and any armor on the front is the corpses of the militia. A couple of tanks in the airport did so much trouble
  • swnvaleria
    swnvaleria 28 November 2020 16: 50
    +1
    now they are invincible!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 November 2020 17: 17
    +5
    Something is stuck in their "de-Sovietization". winked
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 November 2020 17: 32
    +1
    But what about your Anacephalus, Stegocephalus, or whatever it is ??? recourse belay And I remembered - bucephalus! lol Although, what does their craft have to do with the horse of Alexander the Great? belay Perhaps due to the fact that at the exit, as planned, not a ready-made armored personnel carrier, but a headache that needs to be shot as quickly as possible? ??
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 28 November 2020 21: 36
      -6
      Quote: Thrifty
      And I remembered - bucephalus!

      the latest contract delivered 45 units by 2020.

      Yes, everything is fine with him.
      The saturation is really slow. But they are also the most expensive armored personnel carriers in Ukraine.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 November 2020 17: 50
    +2
    And when the spare parts run out, will they ride donkeys?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 28 November 2020 17: 55
      +1
      Friend on friend. winked
  • MP
    MP 28 November 2020 18: 01
    +3
    Is it by chance not the ones that have been restored that are stored in the Chernobyl zone?
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 28 November 2020 18: 31
    +2
    "And the new BTR-80 digital communication devices comply with NATO standards"
    - this is the main thing, for this the Maidan jumped. Now they will succeed.
  • Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 28 November 2020 18: 35
    +1
    five armored personnel carriers BTR-80 were prepared for the transfer of the APU

    We got it. Well this is a whole armada ...
  • Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 28 November 2020 19: 16
    +17
    They shout that there is no money, but let them themselves, little by little, but the pants support
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 28 November 2020 20: 09
      +1
      laughing This antique won't hold their pants.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 November 2020 19: 25
    0
    And what about "Bucephaly"?
  • Ensign19
    Ensign19 28 November 2020 19: 49
    -5
    Come on, we have nothing. Even diesel fuel so that freshly painted armored personnel carriers leave the factory. And exercises using various UAVs, including Bayraktar, ATGM (both our own and foreign production), aviation equipment, including ultralight Aeroprakt A -22 for opening air defense, on the "Shirokoy LAN" are not currently held. Nothing nema.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 28 November 2020 21: 42
      -3
      Quote: Ensign19
      Nothing nem.

      and no need to prompt
      In the absence of Spikes, they learn to replace them with darts.
      "The combination of Bayraktar TB2 and Javelin on the maneuvers actually imitated the Karabakh experience of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces and the interaction of the same UAVs with the Spike-ER ATGM"

      everything else needs to be silent.
      We do not interfere with throwing hats with what those (hurray for the patriots of the two countries)
      1. Ensign19
        Ensign19 28 November 2020 22: 03
        -1
        Remember the expression: - "and Vaska listens and eats." wassat
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 November 2020 20: 12
    +1
    What will the Ukrainian military-industrial complex do when the corps of armored personnel carriers and tanks run out in landfills? The deposits are coming to an end, and the country has already lost the technical capabilities for welding armor plates, producing sheet armor and other technologies
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 20: 19
    +2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    everything is fine with us, we are rearming ourselves, we are modernizing what we have, we are developing a new one, only the rabbits will be born quickly

    It would be all right, PAK YES would have already flown. Nothing is normal with us, and until we build a real economy, it will not be normal. And to look at how the Russophobic state is arming at our borders, and laughing at the same time, is simply stupid.

    and all the "old" we will collect in a large pile and throw away / burn / drown / give to the rogue ????))))
    You are making captain-of-evidence statements. Although common sense suggests to proceed from the principle of common logic. If your economy 20 years ago dived into a deep ass, then where are the diamonds in the ass ??? And you don’t need to tell me the next "we have the richest country" - this wealth must be extracted, processed and sold in a reasonable amount. And “your” recipes for HOW to make the country rich end in the area “we’ll go over everything now” .... “you” do not know how to create - only criticize.
    And in this post, the logic is most likely that "there are two ways." 1 - it is argued that the new technique is excellent, BUT the old one does not need to be disposed of, but it is necessary to modernize and update the park gamonically, well, and of course, based on how much you spend pennies (as it seems to me this way is the Russian Federation) ..... 2 - to spoil everything old (loudly and to the whole world), tell for new wunderwales and DO NOT BUY them or buy them in insignificant quantities, while modestly restoring the old to the state of "even shooting" accompanying this on the internal information field with assurances "it is old ogogo as better than modernized by neighbors "...... the one who reads not only VO, but also Correspondent / Observer understood what I mean))))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 20: 33
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Come on, we have nothing. Even diesel fuel so that freshly painted armored personnel carriers leave the factory. And exercises using various UAVs, including Bayraktar, ATGM (both our own and foreign production), aviation equipment, including ultralight Aeroprakt A -22 for opening air defense, on the "Shirokoy LAN" are not currently held. Nothing nema.

    do you see what situevina here))))) those who write here are not burdened with any serious powers, duties and responsibilities))))) we will write this too ..... but there are specifically responsible people and WHAT you have and WHAT this can be done - they count and calculate - they are not paid sour money for that. And so they most likely do not write comments, but "the hair of the military generals of the Russian Federation stood on end from the power of the Ukrainian boat Centaur" they do not feel it. What you mentioned will come down poorly in a war with a weaker enemy, the level of "partisans / militia" - I am writing specifically about the level with which Ukraine might want to clash ... With a more (significantly) strong country, this will not help ... can delay proser and increase enemy losses, but will not give victory. You still have the remnants of the air defense and air force, but they are finite and without an option - we will build new ones instead, there are no and there will not be ships and there are many many ... and the fact that weapons from A to Z have to be done by ourselves is capital true
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 21: 07
      -4
      I half agree. Many, yes that there, almost all types of weapons were created in cooperation with the CIS countries. Due to the political situation, you have to get out on your own and create a closed cycle.
      NATO members don't sweat in closed loops
  • Tagan
    Tagan 28 November 2020 20: 54
    +2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets

    The economic recovery of the USSR, after the war, was almost completed by 1953. 1953 - 1945 = 8, that is, the USSR managed to restore its economy in 8 years. This regime has ruled for 30 years. How much more time does it take?

    I am afraid that you personally are not ready for such sacrifices as people of the post-war period. Not ready to work hard like they do. But just let me scratch my tongue. Maybe you are a hero of socialist labor, that you reason so contemptuously through your lips that you have been plowed in full for yourself and that guy? Not sure. But the Stalinist regime would clearly straighten you and change many views on life, on regimes)))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 21: 06
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Come on, we have nothing. Even diesel fuel so that freshly painted armored personnel carriers leave the factory. And exercises using various UAVs, including Bayraktar, ATGM (both our own and foreign production), aviation equipment, including ultralight Aeroprakt A -22 for opening air defense, on the "Shirokoy LAN" are not currently held. Nothing nema.

    And now, about the Bayraktar UAV and ATGM .......... I smiled .... I may not be a great specialist, BUT I see these types of weapons in terms of their use as "the main striking force of" ersatz-variants " poor "countries. When these funds are one of the few, but the same means, then everything is fine. But when they tell me that bombers, fighters and attack aircraft will not drag on the war, and UAVs (so fucking) is YES, this miracle weapon of "4 Reich" I want to laugh out loud. Remembering ATGMs, I remember that there are self-propelled and towed AT guns, which both hit further and pierce guaranteed with the collapse of the same tank into components. So, having an UAV and ATGM as the main strike weapon, you "broke" a future war with a country where this functionality is performed by the technique of big uncles
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 21: 40
      -5
      Smiled at the expense of uncles
      PTs fight with the same bairak at a time.
      We still have some of the Soviet stock and are gradually modernizing.
      There are also our own developments, so do not worry, we will find something to meet the foe
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 21: 11
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    I half agree. Many, yes that there, almost all types of weapons were created in cooperation with the CIS countries. Due to the political situation, you have to get out on your own and create a closed cycle.
    NATO members don't sweat in closed loops

    NATO members do not sweat)))))) you know, it happens to the old woman a hole ... now, if I'm not mistaken, Canada has cut the engines for Turkey on Bayratktary ..... fortunately, the Turks were apparently preparing for this option ... and the United States cut off the opportunity for the Turks to buy the F-35 ..... and the long history of Turkey with the same MBT "Altai" ........ so see how many examples are there specifically from 3 or 4 NATO countries (armies) I threw you right away
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 21: 33
      -4
      These are all little things, the market is large, in extreme cases they will be taken from third countries.
      At the expense of Altai, the Turks are negotiating with the Koreans (South) and us
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 21: 42
    +1
    Quote: Ensign19
    These are all little things, the market is large, in extreme cases they will be taken from third countries.
    At the expense of Altai, the Turks are negotiating with the Koreans (South) and us

    of course all the little things))))) you have all the little things .... you cannot make tanks, these are little things ...... you cannot make BTA planes little things .... you cannot do CR / RCC little things)))) )) these are little things in your context. For Turkey, these are the terms and possibly the lost money they also need. You once again list "all the little things" that Ukraine has lost and very possibly lost 100% without the ability to restore these little things ??? BUT yes, Turkey will be able to buy and deliver it for the simple reason that it does not fight. Ukraine is not included in NATO and in the case of a serious batch, Ukraine will not buy anything .... and not because of "no money" but for a banal reason "not for what" ..... when you write about a UAV, you only try it on into your PLUS and don't think about MINUS. And what can Ukraine oppose to a massive UAV raid ???? I'm not even talking about more serious aviation - only about the kamikaze UAV. You do not have Siberia and the Far East where you can transfer production and air defense to cover these production NO ..... well, here's the end of the war. You will have nowhere not only to build, there will be nowhere to repair from the word at all
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 22: 17
      -3
      Remain in joyful ignorance.
      Regarding purchases from NATO, do you remember what status we were granted?
  • svoit
    svoit 28 November 2020 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    NATO members don't sweat in closed loops

    So it seems that Ukraine can buy almost all the components. What is actively engaged in, and not to take a steam bath like NATO.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 22: 11
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Smiled at the expense of uncles
    PTs fight with the same bairak at a time.
    We still have some of the Soviet stock and are gradually modernizing.
    There are also our own developments, so do not worry, we will find something to meet the foe

    if there is a place for these bayraktar to take off ... they are big and they need a normal GDP ... but you DO NOT have a sky, it is not yours ... your mouse will not take off by throwing it up ... you are comparing PTs a cannon and an uav ... and you compare without overreaching - an uav and an attack aircraft .... ATGM and AT cannon ... all your warehouses and storage bases burned down with your bayraktar after the first raid of bombers and attack aircraft ..... that's it. ..can at least master the wings .... Turkish UAVs fly only where airplanes do not fly normally and there is no threat of arrival of a response to your airfield))))) and from the Russian Federation you will not have such a chance from the word at all. I remember the bravura stories of Georgians before 2008 ...... Ukrainian bewilderment in 2014 .... surprise in Syria when Khmeimim appeared there (base). And from the latter ..... I really do not know how it is or not, but the factual fact speaks for itself ..... as soon as a Russian helicopter was shot down (albeit by mistake) from Azerbaijan, then peace immediately began and not like before ceasefire was violated immediately, but peace .... Although Aliyev is on horseback and his army would go even further and take even more. Once again, I will repeat to you - UAVs and ATGMs when this is the main weapon is a weapon of despair ... ... you do not have barrel artillery, you do not have airplanes ... everything, sailed, dry the oars.
    Now, about the foe and meet ... if you hope that you will be long and tedious to go to bayonet hand-to-hand - in vain, give it up. With a minimum of LDNR assistance, all your anti-suicidal power went into smoke ... 6 years ago. At first, they will beat you remotely for a long time, and only then MAYBE the infantry will come ... or maybe they will not come ... they will just throw you into the Stone Age and Adyu
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 22: 37
      -2
      If something happens, someone will be very unpleasantly surprised.
      Keep your opinion
  • Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 28 November 2020 22: 14
    0
    They will sell and drink ...
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 22: 34
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Remain in joyful ignorance.
    Regarding purchases from NATO, do you remember what status we were granted?

    ))))))))) it will not correct the situation .... your status as "beloved wife of the padishah" will not increase your penis
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 22: 47
      -3
      You thought you were a serious uncle, but it turns out you just have to crow
      NATO status gives you access to technology and procurement that you won't see
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 22: 38
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Remain in joyful ignorance.
    Regarding purchases from NATO, do you remember what status we were granted?

    I thought the "adult" conversation began ... you had enough for two comments, and then I heard the banal "member of my new master is twice as thick and sweeter")))))) Well, I’ll go to your "slave" - remember "cocksuckers" do not win wars ...... You will fight back with this status in case of kneading ???? Hack it on your nose - as soon as the hack begins, you will be left alone like a carnation in the priest ... there will be no bairaktars from Turkey ... there will be universal chatter and moral support - they will pour this mountain to help you
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  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 22: 40
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    Remain in joyful ignorance.
    Regarding purchases from NATO, do you remember what status we were granted?

    and now in detail - since 2014 in this status "litter, but beloved", what exactly did you receive in terms of assistance? let's - list WHAT and HOW MUCH ... let's evaluate this rare status)))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 04
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    You thought you were a serious uncle, but it turns out you just have to crow
    NATO status gives you access to technology and procurement that you won't see

    ahahahahahahaha ... under the article repairing the BTR-80 ... no one will give you the technology ..... and leave the admission to the ar-16 assembly technology to yourself
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 06
    0
    Quote: Ensign19
    You thought you were a serious uncle, but it turns out you just have to crow
    NATO status gives you access to technology and procurement that you won't see

    a concrete example of transfer of technology ... not shaking off boats with a 30-year glorious history to you with "special status", but transferring the F-16 technology at least ?????
    purchases ????? here is an article about tranches from the IMF in emergency status to Ukraine))))) come on - tell me about PURCHASING))))))))
    Now, regarding technologies and purchases by US)))) For you news - we DO NOT put anything with a NATO nameplate into our arms. We can rather "steal" NATO technologies, But we cannot buy or receive in any way, and this has always been the case. In terms of military technologies, they seem to always have their own))) You also had your own in many ways. And now, for lack of your own, you use what you can
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 23: 26
      -3
      You can steal it, repeat it with difficulty, but organize mass production, this is not for you
      I see you live in an information vacuum and are not aware of the supply of Western weapons.
      I will give you some news to develop your horizons: - the start of deliveries of American Mark4 is scheduled for the first quarter of 21
      Otherwise, Google to help
      1. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 37
        +1
        and now the number, term and at whose expense))))) boats ...... mdaaaaaaaa ... boats ..... do you need to expose the boat crew of the Russian Black Sea Fleet from open sources ???? By the way, at the same time we will discuss mass production ... This is me about the "raptors" and the repetition of foreign. And in fact purchases - "rogue" buy that when the money appears OWN ..... they bought ..... ska clowns
      2. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 29 November 2020 00: 01
        +1
        you write about "industrial espionage" as if it were something like that and the light elves don't do it)))))) be realistic
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  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 19
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    Quote: Ensign19
    What a credit comment, you can immediately see the rich personal experience from under the "shkonka".
    I like your mood, one general with the same mood on New Year's Eve also threatened to defeat all of the forces of one regiment

    I don’t know what generals you are talking about, but here is the status quo ... Crimea is adyu and it’s not yours WITHOUT a chance to get it back ... For 6 years the LDNR has and will eat and its presence does not in any way depend on yours muscles ... but depends on the desire of the Russian Federation - on, use ... without any "Kiev in 2 days"
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 28 November 2020 23: 41
      -1
      We have a proverb: - ​​don't say gop until you jump. In the near term, we definitely won't return. What will happen next, God alone knows.
      1. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 45
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        ))))))) for Crimea it is necessary to fight ... the history of this peninsula is as follows ... to fight ... and not like that a little there, locally and sensitive, but very full for wear ... I don't know why, but just so ...... you are not ready now, with a perspective to infinity. If you had at least a three in mathematics, you should be able to count ..... I'll give you statistics. If you take the replenishment of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the replenishment of the Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet since 2014, you will see the status and trend. The status is such that you have not a fleet at all, but the remnants of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR + boats. And the tendency of replenishment is such that although you play the role of catch-up, your lag is increasing every year.
        1. Ensign19
          Ensign19 28 November 2020 23: 54
          -3
          For Crimea it was necessary to fight unequivocally.
          In tyrnet there is a transcript of the NSDC in Crimea, read, the quality of the then power will become a little clearer
          1. Ovsigovets
            Ovsigovets 29 November 2020 00: 04
            +1
            I am neither you nor them "not a doctor")))))) take a close look at those whom the Ukrainians choose from time to time .... you have at least one "sovereign husband" in this galaxy was ???? so that he cares for the FATHERLAND, and not for his wallet ??? Two times randomness, and three times a system. And in my purely biased view of the quality did not appear. And with such upbringing of the elites, this quality will not appear
      2. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 49
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        by the way ... repeat this proverb to yourself))) We took the Crimea and have already skipped without any GOP ..... you are now "GOPE" in wet sound dreams about its return .........
  • Simfy
    Simfy 28 November 2020 23: 43
    +2
    and at this time "Chinese spacecraft" Chang'e-5 "entered the lunar orbit" ...
    1. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 47
      +1
      China went to this confidently and systematically ... it had to reach
      1. Simfy
        Simfy 28 November 2020 23: 48
        +1
        Quote: Ovsigovets
        China went to this confidently and systematically ... it had to reach

        The Armed Forces of Ukraine also walked confidently and systematically, and reached)
        1. Ovsigovets
          Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 50
          +1
          to restore the BTR-80? at the same time, 4 years ago, telling that all Soviet rare stone, but bucephalus "vesch" ???? strange however it turned out ..... following the logic of statements they are trying to pile a bullet from a stone))))
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 November 2020 23: 59
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    Quote: Ensign19
    We have a proverb: - ​​don't say gop until you jump. In the near term, we definitely won't return. What will happen next, God alone knows.

    a question on logic and mathematics .... the budget of the MOU in 2019 is N, and the budget of the MPA is 13N .... the fighter for the MOU costs 1,0 because it was bought outside; and for MOP 0,5 as it is made inside ....... continue to continue ???? I can try to cram the timing here))))
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 29 November 2020 09: 38
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    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    everything is fine with us, we are rearming ourselves, we are modernizing what we have, we are developing a new one, only the rabbits will be born quickly

    and until we build a real economy, it will not be normal.

    is there a real suggestion how to do this?