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Fate of Nagorno-Karabakh - "Free Artsakh" or Controlled Territory?

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Source: Interfase, wikipedia.org


The agreements, which were signed in Moscow on November 10 of this year, envisage many issues that need to be resolved to end the military conflict in the Caucasus. But what is literally not a word about in this document is the current and future status of the very object of hostility - Nagorno-Karabakh. Nothing is said about the fate of this long-suffering land and its inhabitants. What will it be?

Naturally, Baku sees the region as only and exclusively an integral part of their own country. It is not so important whether Ilham Aliyev, who promises to the Armenians there “broad national-cultural autonomy” under the Azerbaijani flag, believes in what he says. It is much more important that the embodiment of these good intentions into reality is impossible during the life of at least two or three next generations. Most likely - it is impossible in principle.

Stepanakert, of course, can continue to play in "free Artsakh", pretending that in fact there are no Azerbaijani troops stopped a few kilometers away, nor the headquarters of the Russian peacekeeping contingent located in the city, which is today the only real defense of the Karabakh Armenians ... That's just to guarantee even the current extremely fragile, every minute balancing on the brink of a new war, the situation can be maximum for the next five years. Further - the darkness of uncertainty.

Most likely, it is this uncertainty, in the conditions of which no one will want to invest in the economy of this region, or even simply settle down firmly in it, will bleed and ultimately kill “free Artsakh” much more accurately, than Azerbaijani guns. Especially since all hopes for Yerevan's help in a really critical situation turned out to be a mirage, dispelled with the first volleys of guns. Moscow saved it, but its presence in the region is limited to a specific period.

What's next? Demarches of "Western democracies" like the resolution of the French Senate on "recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic", which Nikol Pashinyan clearly called in a rage "historical solution ”, do not stand, let's face it, absolutely nothing. The characterization of the beautiful gesture of the parliamentarians from Paris, sounded in Baku: “an empty piece of paper” is much closer to the truth, especially in the light of the fact that the French Foreign Ministry most hastily disowned it. We would only talk about Azerbaijan - options would be possible. But with Turkey standing behind him (and entering NATO), none of the EU countries will enter into real confrontation.

The words of the Armenian prime minister that “the recognition of Karabakh is becoming part of the international agenda”, rightly, look like a mockery given the fact that Yerevan itself has not been honored to recognize this republic during its entire existence and, apparently, is not going to do this and now. On the other hand, today the Armenian side really should not take such actions - Azerbaijan will certainly perceive such a diplomatic "feint" as an excuse for a new offensive, which will not stop under any conditions.

Ahead are new arduous negotiations, during which, most likely, each of the parties will again, as in previous decades, stand firmly on its own. And there is no time left: in five years, Baku can easily oppose the extension of the mandate of our peacekeepers. And then what? Start a war with him, which Russia does not need at all? Yes, both Paris and Berlin are now trying hard to "squeeze" themselves into the process of a peaceful settlement ... Surely, the Americans will arrive in time next year - how can they be without them. But it is hardly worth expecting anything from all these gentlemen, except for empty talk shops about "democratic values" and "human rights". Quite different forces will decide the fate of Artsakh.

In some domestic media I came across absolutely phantasmagoric ideas - like holding in this unrecognized republic ... a referendum on joining Russia "following the example of Crimea"! The most interesting thing is that at least a certain number of local residents, facing the almost inevitable prospect of becoming refugees, would follow this path quite voluntarily and with a dear soul. Another question is that such a turn of events is unlikely to find any understanding, not only in Baku, but also in Yerevan. There is nothing to say about the "international community". Yes, and such a "gift" is unlikely to benefit Russia.

Given the current geopolitical configuration, the most realistic scenario for Nagorno-Karabakh is, alas, the gradual abandonment of it by the Armenian population and the subsequent absorption of the region by Azerbaijan. In accordance with international law and UN resolutions ... However, five years is quite a long time, and while it blows, much can still change - in Yerevan, Baku, Ankara. And indeed in the world. The only thing that now remains for "free Artsakh" is hope. And she, as you know, dies last.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 29 November 2020 15: 13
    -14%
    Free Artsakh under the protectorate of Russia.
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich 29 November 2020 15: 16
      +25
      why not take Voronezh, Smolensk or Primorsky Krai under the protectorate There are no problems !!!!! ????
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 29 November 2020 15: 32
        +11
        Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
        why not take Voronezh, Smolensk or Primorsky Krai under the protectorate There are no problems !!!!! ????


        What kind of Voronezh is. Azerbaijan and Armenia are our everything.
      2. ssergey1978
        ssergey1978 29 November 2020 17: 05
        +9
        Well, it's not interesting. Arranging the fate of some African beggars is much fun.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 29 November 2020 21: 05
          +3
          Alexander asked an easy question: free Artsakh never will not: in today's world for such weak territories it is impossible! It is unlikely that he will be under official protectorate of Armenia: for this it is itself weak and will remain so for a long time. Especially if the Armenians do not discard their cunning, do not sharply grow wiser, do not work in the sweat of their brow, do not replace the "Pashinyans" with reasonable politicians. It is hardly possible to exist in the form of Armenian autonomy within Azerbaijan: for this, Armenians and Azerbaijanis strongly hate each other.
          But the phrase of Alexander: "But what is literally not a word about in this document is about the current and future status of the very object of hostility," - sly: according to international treaties and a special UN decision, Karabakh is Azerbaijani territory. But if this phrase was in the agreement, then there would be no agreement itself: Pashinyan would not have been able to agree.
          1. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour 30 November 2020 15: 46
            +1
            It is hardly possible to exist in the form of Armenian autonomy within Azerbaijan: for this, Armenians and Azerbaijanis strongly hate each other.

            But after all, we lived for 70 years ... Back in the early 20s of the 20th century, they fought among themselves ... - and in the 41st they together opposed fascism.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2020 16: 02
              +1
              The mutual enmity of Georgians and Azerbaijanis with Armenians has always existed (I know about this not by hearsay, but from themselves). But you are right that it was possible to suppress this in Soviet times. But after the collapse of the USSR, the former enmity, reinforced by mutual claims, flared up with renewed vigor and reached an unprecedented bitterness today. Of course, not all people on both sides are damned nationalists. But, unfortunately, the bulk of them hold similar views. They would smart politicians ...
              1. VyacheSeymour
                VyacheSeymour 30 November 2020 17: 20
                +2
                The mutual hostility of Georgians and Azerbaijanis with Armenians has always existed (I know about this not by hearsay, but from themselves).

                But, you are not one of them ... - after all by hearsay!
                Mutual hostility of Georgians and Azerbaijanis with Armenians

                If you meant the dislike of Georgians + Azerbaijanis with Armenians, then yes, you are right here: - dislike between Georgians and Azerbaijanis is almost zero, but between Georgians and Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Armenians, there is a place to be ... But, I want to draw your attention to the paradoxical moment - you will find a lot of examples in Russia (if of course you have a sufficient number of acquaintances from the Transcaucasus) of business partnership between Armenians and Azerbaijanis ... but you will not find between Georgians and Armenians, between Georgians and Azerbaijanis ...- PARADOX?
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 30 November 2020 17: 50
                  +1
                  There is NO paradox! A paradox for those stupid people who think in categories: all Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, Russians, Germans, etc. For smart there is NO such thing as "all", they understand well that all nations and peoples are composed of people of different, sometimes opposite views. Smart people of all nationalities always find points of CONNECTION and a common language... And the fact that Russia and clever Russians are helping to bring people of different views and nations closer together - an indisputable fact!
                  1. VyacheSeymour
                    VyacheSeymour 30 November 2020 19: 16
                    0
                    The mutual hostility of Georgians and Azerbaijanis with Armenians has always existed (I know about this not by hearsay, but from themselves).

                    Smart people of all nationalities always find points of CONNECTION and a common language. And the fact that Russia and smart Russians are helping to bring people of different views and nations closer together is an indisputable fact!

                    So coexistence is possible?
                    They say that if your brothers grabbed a weapon - do not bother, there will be no mercy ... - if they have already stepped over their own blood, what is foreign to them? But it is family closeness that is capable of
                    and stop them, but unfortunately sobering comes through the sea of ​​native blood ... Azerbaijan realized this earlier, having an undeniable advantage, declared its readiness not to go to the end! In Armenia, there is still a struggle between different views: to build a road to peace or to continue the war of destruction.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 29 November 2020 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
        why not take Voronezh, Smolensk or Primorsky Krai under the protectorate

        They took Chechnya, no more money. Here we are
    2. iouris
      iouris 29 November 2020 15: 17
      -3
      Quote: Sergey39
      under the protectorate of Russia.

      Let's not. Perhaps (perhaps) the question is already about Astrakhan.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 29 November 2020 19: 00
        -2
        Let's not. Perhaps (perhaps) the question is already about Astrakhan.

        Maybe... winked

        http://astgmu.ru/prikazy-o-zachislenii/
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 November 2020 15: 23
      +8
      We have nothing else to do))) to protect what even Armenia does not recognize)
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 29 November 2020 15: 40
        -4
        The armed forces are there.
        Even specifically peacekeeping units.
        Carry out their own tasks.
        In the 90s, we were almost persuaded to become passive doves of peace.
        Slid into such a hole that it sickening to remember.
        We want to be a serious power, in all respects, we must comply.
        For.
        "If you don't do geopolitics, geopolitics deals with you."
        hi
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 November 2020 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Livonetc
          "If you don't do geopolitics, geopolitics deals with you."

          In my opinion, just 20 power is engaged in geopolitics and all that remains is us,
          i.e. nothing and nobody
    4. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 29 November 2020 16: 14
      +3
      Nagorno-Karabakh is a controlled territory.
      For the next 5 years - controlled by Russia.

      In 5 years it will become clear, especially in the light of the behavior of the Armenians.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 November 2020 15: 34
    +8
    Nobody cares what Artsakh will be like, neither we nor Armenians, it worries only the people of Artsakh. Nobody needs them, neither the West nor the UN will protect them. After a while, Azerbaijanis or Turks will absorb them.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 29 November 2020 17: 33
      +1
      They will be swallowed up if Artsakh and Armenia are not asked to join Russia. Although, as the author noted, this is fantastic. what
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 29 November 2020 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Although, as the author noted, this is fantastic

        Scientific!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 30 November 2020 04: 57
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Although, as the author noted, this is fantastic

          Scientific!

          Not even scientific, but rather Fantasy on the topic of parallel reality, because in our reality it is unreal.
  3. Baloo
    Baloo 29 November 2020 15: 40
    +2
    one more walk-field
  4. bar
    bar 29 November 2020 15: 51
    +8
    Most likely, it is this uncertainty, in the conditions of which no one wants not only to invest any funds in the economy of this region, but even just to settle permanently in it, will bleed and ultimately kill “free Artsakh” much more accurately, than Azerbaijani guns.

    I'll tell you a seditious thought, but maybe that's the way it is better? What is the meaning of Artsakh for Armenia? By and large, if you do not tinker with the theme of "the historical ancestral home of all Armenians", then they do not need this territory. The population there is like in the average Russian regional center. Armenia itself is also far from overpopulated. On the contrary, it is gradually losing population, the economy is dying. If how many thousands of Artsakh residents move there, it will only be better for everyone.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 29 November 2020 17: 40
      -7
      If we talk like that, then Russia should give out to those who are thirsty for their north and the Far East. What is deserted today will be a territory of growth tomorrow, and the Armenians understand this very well, trying to keep Artsakh. Moreover, historically it is really Armenian, and the modern borders in Transcaucasia were drawn after the Civil War arbitrarily, without taking into account history and realities. what
      1. bar
        bar 29 November 2020 18: 11
        +6
        If you think like that, then Russia should give out to those who are thirsty for their north and the Far East. What is deserted today will be a territory of growth tomorrow, and the Armenians understand this very well, trying to keep Artsakh. Moreover, historically it is really Armenian

        Why juggle? The territory of Russia is one thing, but the unrecognized Artsakh is quite another. Moreover, Armenia itself is in no hurry to recognize it officially, even though it is "historically Armenian".
        Also remember how many "historically Russian" territories remained outside the borders of Russia, at least the same "Kievan Rus". Start shifting the borders (by the way, they were drawn not only after the Civil War, but much later, and not only in the USSR, but practically all over the world, starting with Europe and ending with the entire "Middle East", Africa and Korea)? I'm afraid this new "great migration of peoples" will be more abruptly than world wars. Whatever one may say, the organization of the life of states within the existing borders is not the worst option.
  5. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 29 November 2020 16: 00
    +5
    What to inflate then?
    Aliyev, however, clearly promised to annex it to Azerbaijan.
    And the point.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 29 November 2020 17: 44
      +2
      And Iran has its own Iranian dream - to join Azerbaijan to Iran. And Turkey has a Turkish dream to join Azerbaijan to Turkey. And today's blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan in the future makes it even more tasty for these dreamers. belay
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 29 November 2020 18: 07
        0
        Dreaming is not harmful. But there are well-established rules of the game, IMHO.
        Until the next Cunning Plan of Putin (HSP), Trump, Batka, Tunguska meteorite happens, everything will be stable ...
  6. Avior
    Avior 29 November 2020 16: 05
    +2
    Armenia is spending huge resources on Karabakh instead of wasting them on the development of Armenia itself.
    Until the year before last, the country was ruled by the Karabakh clan, which brought the situation with Karabakh to the point of absurdity.
    In fact, most of Armenia's capabilities were spent on protecting Karabakh instead of developing Armenia itself.
    1. maxim k.
      maxim k. 29 November 2020 16: 25
      +6
      Yes, the whole world has already seen how Armenia "defended" Karabakh.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 November 2020 16: 34
        0
        Until a certain moment it was possible, but at the same time there was an economic lag in Armenia.
        Until the Azerbaijanis have implemented this in the form of an army with a higher combat capability
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 30 November 2020 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      In fact, most of Armenia's capabilities were spent on protecting Karabakh instead of developing Armenia itself.

      belay
      Yeah, and here they are, the impregnable bastions of Artsakh:
      On Dmitrovka (Moscow)

      On Fucik (Peter)

      On Kirov (Kaluga)

      and so on, and on, and on ...
  7. maxim k.
    maxim k. 29 November 2020 16: 24
    -16%
    I wang that in 5 years the Russians will mentally prepare the Karabakh people (medical care for the local population; assistance in restoring infrastructure; construction; various kinds of development programs, etc., etc.) that they will agree to enter through, of course, a referendum composition in Russia as a subject in the form of the National Republic. And it will be great! fellow
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 November 2020 16: 34
      +9
      What for? Add problems to yourself?
      1. maxim k.
        maxim k. 29 November 2020 16: 40
        -12%
        Problems begin where the local population begins to send the Center to hell. A striking example of this is the collapse of the USSR. Here, the locals will be grateful to Russia until the end of the centuries for preventing the ethnic cleansing. We are grateful ourselves and will pass it on from generation to generation.
        1. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 29 November 2020 17: 09
          +11
          Do you yourself believe it? Armenians and gratitude are not compatible things.
          1. bessmertniy
            bessmertniy 29 November 2020 17: 49
            +2
            Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis keep steep prices in our markets, and there is no gratitude for robbing the Russian population. No.
            1. VyacheSeymour
              VyacheSeymour 30 November 2020 15: 36
              +3
              Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis keep steep prices in our markets, and there is no gratitude for robbing the Russian population. no

              Are you aware of the laws of pricing?
              Traders in the markets earn as much as they can to live somewhat better than in their republics ... What prevents Russians from doing the same? - income does not correspond to the needs of local residents ... And now there is no need for lyal about monopolization - if there were colossal money, the markets would proliferate not like mushrooms, but like supermarkets and malls! And there would be crowds of local people wanting to occupy the counter! But, this is not the case, and the local population does not meet the needs of the labor-pay ratio.
        2. Avior
          Avior 29 November 2020 17: 53
          +3
          And what for Russia this gratitude, which raises great doubts, by the way?
          Complete and tough break with Azerbaijan and NATO troops near Derbent?
          Does Russia need this?
        3. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 29 November 2020 18: 14
          +3
          Gratitude should not be confused with economics. And economically Karabakh for Russia will be very, very costly. Gratitude is a temporary and abstract concept that cannot be sewn into economics.
    2. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 29 November 2020 18: 12
      +5
      And how will it be great? Another Russian enclave with a not very favorable geopolitical position, with a poor population and without any minerals? Can you explain why Russia needs it? Or just to get rich territory, with which you do not know what to do? Another thing is if it directly bordered on Russia, then there would be fewer problems. Otherwise, it will be necessary to transport goods there through Azerbaijan, which is unlikely to be happy with such a development of events and will increase the price for transit through its territory beyond the limit, or through Iran along the Caspian, which is very expensive. By air? So again through the airspace of other countries. So what's the point in Karabakh for Russia?
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 November 2020 20: 20
        +3
        ... it will be necessary to carry goods there through Azerbaijan, which is unlikely to be happy with such a development of events and will increase the price for transit through its territory beyond the limit

        Are you joking?
        Azerbaijan, from which a part of the officially recognized territory will be taken away, will simply withdraw these cargoes.
        And there is no approach to Karabakh from Iran.
        1. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 30 November 2020 05: 31
          0
          Well, you will not be taken away, this is not some Somalia, and Azerbaijan will not want to go to open confrontation with Russia, there are too many common ties and interests.
          But to say: Russian Karabakh? We do not mind, but we have these rates for transportation, so sorry, but you have to pay. Why are we? We are nothing, we very much even agree to Russian Karabakh, but we have such laws, we will very much regret and pity the Karabakh people, but the law is the law.
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 November 2020 06: 32
            +3
            ... and Azerbaijan will not want to go to open confrontation with Russia

            Having annexed Karabakh, which is generally recognized as a part of Azerbaijan, Russia will go to confrontation with Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey.
            After that, how you are going to transport goods to Karabakh, one can only guess.
            hi
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 30 November 2020 06: 39
              -1
              Whatever it was, I repeat: neither Turkey, let alone Azerbaijan will go to confrontation with Russia. Everything will be done under some lofty words, "weighty" reasons and motives. Well, this is the business of politicians and diplomats, they are good at doing this.
              1. Avior
                Avior 30 November 2020 06: 48
                +2
                With your confidence, returning Alaska is a trifling matter.
                All you need
                ... Everything will be done under some lofty words, "weighty" reasons and motives. Well, this is the business of politicians and diplomats, they are good at doing this.

                hi
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 30 November 2020 07: 38
                  0
                  Do not exaggerate and confuse horseradish with a finger. But the fact is that neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan will go against Russia. And you can say whatever you want, your right.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 30 November 2020 08: 35
                    +1
                    Yes, cargoes will be allowed to enter Karabakh on the occasion that Russia annexed it.
                    Everyone will get tired and pretend that nothing happened, but of course.
                    Why is Karabakh then?
                    Antalya needs to be connected. Or at least Kemer. There are many Russians, and Turkey is afraid, as you write, to conflict with Russia. Again, the mountains, as in Karabakh straight.
                    1. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 30 November 2020 08: 45
                      +1
                      Of course they will. But what prices will be increased for transit is up to Azerbaijan to decide. And then he can turn around to the fullest. And Russia will have such expenses for this Karabakh that it will dream of throwing off this burden, which has no political and economic value.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 30 November 2020 08: 49
                        +1
                        Forgive me, I will not prevent you from living in the world of your dreams.
                        hi
                      2. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 30 November 2020 10: 25
                        0
                        And I will not prevent you from living in the world of your dreams.
                        Time will judge us.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 29 November 2020 16: 30
    -2
    But what is literally not a word about in this document is the current and future status of the very object of hostility - Nagorno-Karabakh. Nothing is said about the fate of this long-suffering land and its inhabitants. What will it be?

    Full text of the Agreement ...
    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/64384
  • Selevc
    Selevc 29 November 2020 16: 34
    +7
    Already now we can say roughly what will happen to the territory of Karabakh in the near future. In this case, one must proceed from the real facts of the situation - for example, by answering the question Who received the most benefits from the ceasefire? The answer is obvious - Azerbaijan is the biggest winner. Azerbaijan got about half of the disputed territories without a single shot and without losing a single soldier !!!
    Conclusions :
    1) The agreement on Karabakh is not peace but a truce - it is even enshrined in the text of the agreements.
    2) The agreement is valid for 5 years !!! This time is just what Azerbaijan needs to develop the occupied territories and create military groupings there for further offensive.
    3) It is clear as daylight that both sides of the conflict will be preparing with all their might for the next war for all 5 years of truce. But Azerbaijan is now in a much more advantageous situation, while Armenia, on the contrary, is in a much more complicated one. And given the superiority (technical, financial, organizational, political) in favor of Azerbaijan, the next war may well bring them a new victory.
    4) It is also obvious that in Armenia all the near future will be dominated by moods in the spirit - "We could have won, but we were treacherously stopped ...", and in Azerbaijan - "We could have completed the matter, but we were stopped ...".
    That is, on such revanchism, one can hardly expect serious friendly steps towards Russia.
    5) The next war will most likely be between Armenia and Azerbaijan, since without open support for Karabakh, Armenia will lose it in a matter of weeks.
    In general, such layouts of Karabakh solitaire are not very funny ...
    1. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 30 November 2020 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Selevc
      Azerbaijan received about half of the disputed territories

      Hello !
      In total, he liberated almost 72,5% of the previously occupied territory.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 30 November 2020 16: 43
        0
        Quote: vlad.baryatinsky
        Hello !
        In total, he liberated almost 72,5% of the previously occupied territory.

        By and large, the fate of Karabakh has already been decided !!! - now there are three possible ways of developing the situation, and all are not easy:
        1. Unreal - it is probably very naive to believe in it, but I want to. I would like to believe that Russia, Turkey and other major regional players will nevertheless work out a scheme in 5 years for Karabakh to live and Azerbaijan to be satisfied. But considering the entire history of the Caucasus, this is perhaps from the realm of fantasy. In any case, the Karabakh people themselves do not believe in this, since they are now fleeing even from the territories protected by Russian peacekeepers.
        2. Bad - Azerbaijan occupies the remaining territory of Karabakh and Armenia silently wipes its face. Perhaps the most realistic scenario.
        3. Very bad - With the new offensive of Azerbaijan in Karabakh, Armenia openly intervenes in the conflict and declares war on Azerbaijan. The situation threatens with chaos and a big war in the entire region - the 3rd world is unlikely to happen. But the conflict can grow into a major regional war of many years and overshadow all the small wars of recent years - from the Balkans to Iraq and Syria !!!
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 29 November 2020 16: 35
    +5
    In some domestic media I came across absolutely phantasmagoric ideas - like holding in this unrecognized republic ... a referendum on joining Russia "following the example of Crimea"!
    Not so long ago, the same was said about northern Kosovo with the Serbian population. Well, nonsense! There are 120 thousand Armenians living in Azerbaijan, even more than Russians. Nobody will touch them if they themselves will not run up.
  • Hello from Baku
    Hello from Baku 29 November 2020 16: 44
    +6
    Quote: maxim k.
    I wang that in 5 years the Russians will mentally prepare the Karabakh people (medical care for the local population; assistance in restoring infrastructure; construction; various kinds of development programs, etc., etc.) that they will agree to enter through, of course, a referendum composition in Russia as a subject in the form of the National Republic. And it will be great! fellow

    There is an alternative proposal, create your own NKR - the Nagorno-Krasnodar Republic, you can give them independence, you can give them autonomy, all the more, there is no need to import Armenians. This will be great.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 November 2020 16: 57
    +4
    You can't build a bridge in Artsakh, we don't have enough Portvishka? Do we need it? The whole war is over and in five years they will peacefully decide everything themselves. Azerbaijan turned out to be a good student, studied for 32 years.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 29 November 2020 23: 02
    -1
    Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
    why not take Voronezh, Smolensk or Primorsky Krai under the protectorate There are no problems !!!!! ????

    Everything is OK there, the "wool" is sheared regularly - the forest, the fish goes where it is needed, profits, too, who needs it. sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 29 November 2020 23: 05
    -2
    Quote: Greetings from Baku
    Quote: maxim k.
    I wang that in 5 years the Russians will mentally prepare the Karabakh people (medical care for the local population; assistance in restoring infrastructure; construction; various kinds of development programs, etc., etc.) that they will agree to enter through, of course, a referendum composition in Russia as a subject in the form of the National Republic. And it will be great! fellow

    There is an alternative proposal, create your own NKR - the Nagorno-Krasnodar Republic, you can give them independence, you can give them autonomy, all the more, there is no need to import Armenians. This will be great.

    And where, on the territory of the Russian Federation, propose to create the Plains-Azerbaijan autonomies, in what area, and maybe in Moscow itself? sad
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 30 November 2020 16: 24
    +3
    An extremely competent article. Without the pathos of emotions and self-deception.
    The author, in real life, has drawn, alas, not bright prospects for "NKR".
    In my opinion, the Armenians should * sink * to the ground and take a sober view of the situation. The reality is that the whole world and international organizations recognize Karabakh as the territory of Azerbaijan! First of all, Armenians need to * get sick *, without exaggeration, a heavy defeat. For the future, at the moment "NKR" in terms of communications and in terms of defense after the conflict is very disadvantageous.
    Take a look at the map. The configuration of the border is full of bends and is almost defenseless from the south. Any attack by the Azerbaijani army literally forms a cauldron both in the east and in the north.
    I believe that the Azerbaijanis will monitor the situation with triple attention so that the "NKR" does not replenish its combat potential.
    Remains from Armenia, but this is already Aggression! With all the ensuing consequences and a full-scale war.
    That in no case should be allowed near the borders of the Russian Federation.
    For this is fraught with a truly internationalization of the conflict, which in the future will affect our not calm North. The Caucasus.
    Difficult circumstances are developing for the Russian Federation.
    The RF needs to neutralize in the bud both the revanchist sentiments of Armenia and the militaristic "appetites" of Azerbaijan. In my opinion, Russia needs to develop relations with Azerbaijan. There are excellent chances for this. This is Aliyev, the Pashayev clan, and about the Russian forces in the power establishment as well as at the household level among the population of Azerbaijan. All the same, almost 400 schools with the Russian language, universities and Russian TV channels. The work of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not an open end.
    The question is, will our Foreign Ministry be able to take advantage of these advantages ???
  • svoit
    svoit 30 November 2020 19: 53
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    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    It is unlikely that he will be under the official protectorate of Armenia:

    So it seems that she herself renounced any protectorate, there is no desire to get involved in a war with Azerbaijan for this territory, if it were not Russia, not France, or anyone, but simply annexed to Armenia and that's it.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 1 December 2020 20: 37
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    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    Do not exaggerate and confuse horseradish with a finger. But the fact is that neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan will go against Russia. And you can say whatever you want, your right.

    You are haunted by one and a half thousand square kilometers. bald mountains in the distant, deeply depressive Tmutarakan '(maybe it's better to develop your million square kilometers?), into which there is no direct exit and the loss of a friendly-minded 10 million rich partner? Strong move however))