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Date of first flight of MC-21-310 with Russian PD-14 engines announced

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Date of first flight of MC-21-310 with Russian PD-14 engines announced

The first flight of the new Russian medium-range aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines is scheduled to take place before the end of this year. This was stated by the head of the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.


We will try until the end of the year - 17-18 (December - approx.), Maximum until the end of the year - we expect that the plane will make its first flight

- he said, answering the relevant question of journalists.

According to the minister, the systems are being debugged and the aircraft is being tested. In the near future, specialists from the Design Bureau named after V.I. Yakovlev and test pilots to prepare for the first flight.

It should be reminded that the rollout of the first prototype of the MS-21-310 passenger aircraft with Russian-developed PD-14 engines took place in early November. The aircraft was transferred to the flight test division of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant from the assembly shop.

Earlier it was reported that the PD-14 engine installed on the new airliner managed to pass full certification in Russia, and the European one is scheduled for the end of 2022.

The PD-14 turbofan engine has been developed since 2008. This is the first new aviation engine developed in Russia over the past 30 years. The PD-14 two-circuit twin-shaft engine is capable of developing a thrust of up to 14 tons in take-off mode.

The MS-21 will be supplied to Russian customers with PD-14 engines in the MS-21-310 modification, and for export - in the MS-21-300 modification with the American PW1400G power plants.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 27 November 2020 15: 50
    +4
    ... for export - in the MC-21-300 modification with the American PW1400G power plants.

    If the Americans allow this export. Something suggests that they won't allow ...
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 27 November 2020 16: 07
      +27
      Quote: Doccor18
      ... for export - in the MC-21-300 modification with the American PW1400G power plants.

      If the Americans allow this export. Something suggests that they won't allow ...


      Welcome.
      Then we can supply with PD.
      The main thing will be the possibility of choice, and there will be no deadlock with the ban, as with the superjet .. Plus, we will have a car that will actually be able to carry out transportation across our vast Motherland. On my plane. By the way, our pilots like the Superjet in piloting, I like it as a passenger, and something tells me that the MC will be better.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 28 November 2020 14: 58
        +1
        Soon the fairy tale affects, but not quickly the thing is done ...
        A dry phrase, behind which there is a lot, but not everyone understands this!
        the systems are being debugged and the aircraft is being tested

        The engine is not only for creating thrust, it is a device for driving aircraft systems ... These are generators, pumps for hydro, air, fuel and other systems ... These systems have distribution, control and executive devices ... Imported engines are equipped with imported generators and pumps with imported distribution, control and executive devices that do not fit our engines at all ... All this equipment and hitch must be created, you can combine, but it does not always work out, and is fraught with the consequences of sanctions ...
        Now it is clear to everyone that replacing an engine with your own is not quite simple, and not at all easy ... Moreover, many related enterprises are half-dead ...
        And the betrayal and stupidity of the creators of the Superjet, who, together with the Tu-334, killed our entire aircraft industry, is obvious ...This Poghosyan and his company is not enough to quarter !!!
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 27 November 2020 16: 37
      +1
      they are worse off ... so they will go with our PD
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 28 November 2020 18: 46
        +1
        Everyone involved in system debugging and success testing! We are waiting for a message about a successful departure! yes yes yes smile
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 27 November 2020 17: 02
      +2
      Why not the whole article? Manturov promised to produce 38 aircraft a year from next year, and ideally 70 aircraft annually! At this figure, we must go like a must! But the question is - how much will the state buy them exactly? There are bad rumors that public procurement of civilian aircraft will be revised downward, such as the number of people flying out of the pandemic has become smaller. And, fewer planes - more expensive tickets!
      1. Cook
        Cook 27 November 2020 18: 05
        +20
        The state purchases aircraft only for use in state aviation (presidential detachment, FSB aviation, Interior Ministry aviation, etc.). For the use of aircraft in civil aviation, there are leasing schemes that are implemented by the corresponding leasing companies. They are both state-owned (GTLK, for example) and owned by commercial banks (Sber-Leasing; VTB-Leasing). Without the interest of commercial air carriers in new aircraft, the lessor will not order and redeem them from the manufacturer. The need for such a class of aircraft within the Russian Federation is quite large - it is an analogue of the B-737NG and A-320, which form the basis of the fleets of domestic airlines. If you set yourself the goal of replacing them with domestic ones, provided that the plane turned out to be at least as good as possible, as well as organize normal software and favorable financial conditions for leasing, everything should work out. I think that the state is interested in this, and judging by the descriptions, the plane turns out to be pretty good. And if it proves itself normally in operation with a PD engine inside the country, there will be orders from other countries.
        1. poquello
          poquello 28 November 2020 00: 20
          +4
          Quote: Cook
          And if it proves itself normally in operation with a PD engine inside the country

          there is a large market inside the country where boeings with airbuses sit, picking up this piece is no longer enough
      2. SSR
        SSR 27 November 2020 21: 57
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        Manturov promised

        This is no longer funny, the manturov with metal prices, all medium and small businesses bent down, although they promised.
      3. businessv
        businessv 28 November 2020 23: 22
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Manturov promised to produce 38 aircraft a year from next year, and ideally 70 aircraft annually!

        This chatterbox only does that incessantly promises Russia and us a brighter future, but there is no sense in this and will not be until competent professionals come to governing the country, and not people loyal to the authorities!
        1. Volder
          Volder 29 November 2020 09: 45
          -1
          Quote: businessv
          there is no sense in this and will not be until competent professionals come to the government of the country, and not people loyal to the authorities!
          Some strange logic. In your opinion, professionals should disagree with their own superiors, not obey him, but carry out unauthorized work - as they see fit? If a professional obeys his superiors, then he automatically becomes illiterate, right? Doesn't your babble make you laugh? :)
    4. venik
      venik 27 November 2020 22: 49
      +5
      Quote: Doccor18
      If the Americans allow this export. Something suggests that they won't allow ...

      ========
      Well then they will be exported from Russian engines! PW1400G engines for export models are needed mainly because the network of repair bases and logistics of spare parts there around the world has been created and perfectly worked out! And if you sell with domestic engines, you will need to add many more millions (if not billions) of dollars to the creation of the service infrastructure (engines)! Hence the ideology of "superjets" grows .... True, the "idea" here turned out to be extremely unsuccessful!
    5. Cympak
      Cympak 27 November 2020 23: 18
      0
      They are already going to impose a requirement on licensing the supplies of products of American companies to the Irkut corporation, which assembles the MC-21
  2. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 27 November 2020 15: 54
    +9
    Good news. The country needs a good circulation of such aircraft. hi
    1. deniso
      deniso 27 November 2020 16: 23
      -12%
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Good news. The country needs a good circulation of such aircraft. hi


      It is no coincidence that the mass production of the MC-21 was recently postponed once again - this time until 2025 ”“ why did we need this “bike” when it was ready (Tu 204/214)? Which was completely assembled here! any "foreign companions"!
      1. A009
        A009 27 November 2020 16: 52
        +1
        Why did we need a Tu-214 if there was a Tu-154?
        Continuing your thought.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 27 November 2020 22: 07
          0
          Quote: A009
          Why did we need a Tu-214 if there was a Tu-154?
          Continuing your thought.

          Actually, the idea is absolutely sensible. Tu-204SM is an excellent machine, no worse than this MS-21.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 28 November 2020 13: 07
            +1
            and the il-18 is generally a lump, it's not for nothing that the il-38 is still flying on its base
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 29 November 2020 02: 57
              0
              Quote: nov_tech.vrn
              and the il-18 is generally a lump, it's not for nothing that the il-38 is still flying on its base

              The Il-18s themselves are still flying, thank God. Although, and units.
      2. businessv
        businessv 28 November 2020 23: 27
        0
        Quote: deniso
        the question is, why did we need this "bicycle" when it was ready (Tu 204/214)? Which was completely going here! Without any "foreign companions"!

        That is why it is necessary to make it easier to withdraw money over the hill! Most likely, the technology for these aircraft was lost due to the disruption of economic ties with the former republics. In general, the whole thing is so muddy that even non-professionals have a lot of questions.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 27 November 2020 16: 56
      -11%
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Good news. The country needs a good circulation of such aircraft. hi

      Only the water is rogue population, does not want to fly around the country.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 28 November 2020 01: 07
        +4
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Only the water is rogue population, does not want to fly around the country.

        You fly here! And what about sandwiches and water at airports ?! You need a bag of money to have a snack while waiting for your flight! am
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 28 November 2020 01: 09
          -4
          Quote: Starover_Z
          You fly here! And what about sandwiches and water at airports ?! You need a bag of money to have a snack while waiting for your flight!

          And be patient? Read the appetite with the "blockade book"?
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 28 November 2020 01: 11
            +2
            Quote: Narak-zempo
            And be patient? Read the appetite with the "blockade book"?

            Oo-oo-oo-oo .... times are not the same! And with your chicken and thermos on the plane, do not let it go!
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 28 November 2020 01: 12
              -3
              Quote: Starover_Z
              Oo-oo-oo-oo .... times are not the same!

              Times are always the same (© "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears").
              And also an old believer ...
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 28 November 2020 01: 14
                +1
                Quote: Narak-zempo
                Times are always the same (© "Moscow Doesn't Believe in Tears")

                And always eat hotce!
                A joke about food, of course, but how much will the flight cost for half the country in the future?
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo 28 November 2020 01: 37
                  -3
                  Quote: Starover_Z
                  but how much will the flight cost for half the country in the future?

                  Trivia for a successful person.
      2. Rubi0
        Rubi0 28 November 2020 10: 34
        -2
        Are you serious, a plane ticket costs an average of 50 bucks and is that a lot? in many cases it is equal to the cost of an ATO and cheaper than by train.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 28 November 2020 10: 53
          -2
          Quote: Rubi0
          an air ticket costs an average of 50 bucks and that's a lot

          Well, yes, for a successful person a penny, and a rogue in Zamkadye with a salary of 12-15 sput, it is not recommended to even understand a penny to heaven.
          1. Rubi0
            Rubi0 28 November 2020 13: 51
            -2
            The passenger traffic is more than 100 million, who are all these people, probably the Chinese are flying for firewood laughing
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 28 November 2020 16: 02
              +2
              55 million in 2019

              in the USA 815 million in 2017
  3. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 15: 56
    -15%
    And what about the superjet? he also needs new engines .. or no longer?
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 November 2020 16: 03
      +14
      PD-8 on bench tests, another thrust past
      1. deniso
        deniso 27 November 2020 16: 08
        -19%
        Now, finally, Trump will introduce sanctions and we will see these engines with aircraft in 2030 ...
        https://m.vz.ru/politics/2020/11/26/1072364.html
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 27 November 2020 16: 15
          +9
          "yeah, keep watching, we will contact you", something like this
          1. deniso
            deniso 27 November 2020 16: 25
            -20%
            Clown ... you have nothing to say hi
            1. Alesi13
              Alesi13 27 November 2020 16: 48
              +2
              Sometimes it's better to be silent than to speak (c)
      2. MelkorAintGood
        MelkorAintGood 29 November 2020 14: 21
        0
        Where did you get this information from? PD-8 will not appear before 24-25
    2. Orkraider
      Orkraider 27 November 2020 16: 13
      +15
      They will, they will definitely be. The PD-8 project is moving briskly, faster than with the PD-14. And there were a lot of young engineers, they managed to transfer the school.
      1. Titus_2
        Titus_2 27 November 2020 17: 16
        +4
        About engineers, if the truth is from you, I believe that this is the most important thing .... cadres decide everything.
      2. senima56
        senima56 27 November 2020 17: 47
        +4
        It would be great if it were true. When the IL-112V was dealt with, the chief designer blamed everything on the "young engineers" and the "lost school"! So we disentangle it! I then wrote to him in the comments: "And where did you look, Chief Designer, if your engineers do not understand anything about aircraft construction ?!" fool negative
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 27 November 2020 19: 40
          0
          Greetings!
          This is life))
          They learn from mistakes, but those who participated in the design will be scientists.
          As it says there: For one beaten two unbeaten give.
  4. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 15: 57
    -31%
    It is necessary to send GDP and the government for a test flight. Whatever the outcome, there will be benefits.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 27 November 2020 17: 10
      +3
      Quote: denis obuckov
      It is necessary to send GDP and the government for a test flight. Whatever the outcome, there will be benefits.

      How much does the State Department pay for one comment?
      Or, more precisely, how many comments are there per cent?
    2. AVA77
      AVA77 27 November 2020 17: 33
      +7
      Well, if necessary, send, why talk in vain, we'll watch wassat
  5. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 15: 58
    -20%
    Another breakthrough.
    Long harnessed, really.
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  7. Stupor
    Stupor 27 November 2020 16: 04
    -19%
    Well, if the deadlines are named, then I'm already sure that everything will go wrong .. (the part will be greased with fat or the plug is closed ..))) It always happens! hi
    1. Asad
      Asad 27 November 2020 16: 11
      -12%
      Here you go! And I wanted to buy shares of IRKUT.
      1. Stupor
        Stupor 27 November 2020 16: 24
        -14%
        Quote: ASAD
        Here you go! And I wanted to buy shares of IRKUT.

        Well, buy it, this will make them even more expensive. bully
    2. Lelik76
      Lelik76 27 November 2020 18: 06
      +6
      On the plane, connectors, not plugs
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 27 November 2020 16: 52
    +7
    The MS-21 will be supplied to Russian customers with PD-14 engines in the MS-21-310 modification, and for export - in the MS-21-300 modification with the American PW1400G power plants.

    We must do everything necessary, the Schaub wanted the plane with our engines.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2020 22: 36
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      We must do everything necessary, the Schaub wanted the plane with our engines.

      The prerequisites for this, judging by the performance characteristics of the dvigun, are very significant. And first of all - the fuel efficiency of PD-14, but not only.
      New Russian titanium and nickel alloys are used to create the engine. The engine nacelle design consists of 65% of domestic polymer composites, due to which the required level of noise insulation is achieved and the engine weight is reduced. In total, about 20 new Russian materials are involved in the engine, all of which have been certified according to international standards.
      The implemented innovations allowed to reduce fuel consumption, making PD-14 more environmentally friendly and economical. It is assumed that the operating costs of PD-14 will be 14-17% lower than that of existing similar engines, and the life cycle cost will be 15-20% lower.

      Thus, the savings are evident and this is a good resistance to sanctions.
      It will remain to provide service support as in Boeing and Airbus, and the MS-21 will become their worthy rival in the global air market.
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 27 November 2020 17: 13
    +9
    Quote: Orkraider
    Then we can supply with PD.

    It must first be certified. And this is crap, even that. Yes, and with PD only fly inside, Russian companies also need to fly international tests abroad. hi hi
    1. Cook
      Cook 27 November 2020 17: 45
      +5
      The certification rules for the aviation administrations of the states of aircraft manufacturers have long been harmonized among themselves. The numbers of the documents themselves according to the airworthiness standards (AP-25, SC-25; FAR-25) and even the numbering of articles within these standards are practically the same. Discrepancies in requirements, no more than 3-4%.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 November 2020 17: 47
    -2
    The MS-21 will be supplied to Russian customers with PD-14 engines in the MS-21-310 modification, and for export - in the MS-21-300 modification with the American PW1400G power plants.

    The main motor is PW1400G ..... and only for some RedWings customers with PD-14. And, perhaps, government agencies.
    1. Cook
      Cook 27 November 2020 18: 34
      +2
      This does not happen if the aircraft is certified with two types of engines, they are equivalent. The main customer of MC is the Aeroflot group of companies, RedWings is now putting more emphasis on SuperJet.
  11. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 27 November 2020 18: 06
    +6
    It turns out that the Yakovlev Design Bureau designed it. Yak-40 and Yak-42 were excellent passenger aircraft in the Union. Hopefully MC will match them.
  12. faiver
    faiver 27 November 2020 19: 28
    +3
    As they say, wait and see, I hope it will be better with this plane than with the superjet ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 27 November 2020 20: 32
      +4
      Cooperation, but other things with the French go sideways to our producers !!!
      I don’t understand why our people are in such awe of France, and other Western ones .... just some kind of "birth-brain" trauma.
  13. businessv
    businessv 29 November 2020 22: 25
    0
    Quote: Volder
    In your opinion, professionals should not agree with their own superiors, not obey him, but carry out unauthorized work

    Firstly, you and I did not switch to you, and secondly, professionals should coordinate their actions not with "their own", but with their superiors, but for this you need to know what exactly needs to be done to get the job done. And I didn't write a word about submission, I wrote about loyalty. If you have problems understanding the written text, this is not for me. And thirdly, if you are not aware of the work of Manturov and his henchmen, then you should not drown for them, dear! We in Sevastopol have seen enough at No. 1 in the anti-rating of governors, Mr. Ovsyannikov, who is also a protege of Manturov, whom you respect so much. hi