Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" joined the Black Sea Fleet

The third patrol ship of the project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" became part of the Black Sea fleet... The solemn ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag took place today, November 27, in Novorossiysk. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

The ship became part of the formation of the protection of the water area of ​​the Novorossiysk naval base of the Black Sea Fleet. In the near future, the corvette crew will begin working out special coursework tasks.

Patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is the third ship of Project 22160 and the second serial ship in a series of five units. The construction contract was signed in 2014, the entire series is intended for the Black Sea Fleet. The lead ship and the first serial "Vasily Bykov" and "Dmitry Rogachev" are already serving in the Black Sea Fleet.

Pavel Derzhavin is the first one built at the Kerch Shipyard Zaliv. Laid down on February 18, 2016, launched on February 21, 2019. The launch of the sea trials took place on July 23, 2020. State and factory tests of the ship took place in the military harbor of the Novorossiysk naval base and at sea ranges in the Black Sea.

The autonomy of the ships of Project 22160 is 60 days, the maximum speed is 30 knots, the crew is 80 people, the cruising range is 6 thousand miles. Armament: 57-mm artillery mount, anti-aircraft missile system, machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter.

Comments

[Graz]

it takes a long time to build, the boat is, frankly speaking, small, but they have been building for 3 years
this is a big minus

[exo]

Here, everything is clear: in fact, the plant is being revived, after the devastation, and the first ship assembled on it is worth its weight in gold.

[figwam]

Quote: exo

And the first ship assembled on it is worth its weight in gold.

Thank you Shipyard "Zaliv" for the work done.

[x.andvlad]

Yes, Kerch "Zaliv" can be congratulated on the initiative!
Let him work for the glory of the Motherland!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Graz

it takes a long time to build, the boat is, frankly speaking, small, but they have been building for 3 years

So the CVD, after managing the "square", had to be launched, adjusted, but unlike the Nikolaev CVDs, it is already working and will work better.

[210ox]

He would also have containerized missile weapons. That was promised.

[Nazar]

210okv - I was the only one puzzled by the "armament" - "corvette"? Quote - "Armament: 57-mm artillery, anti-aircraft missile system, machine guns" - is this a "corvette"?
And they wrote a lot about the container (it's modular), it didn't work for the amers, it makes no sense to keep these modules and personnel on the shore for months (or years), in the hope that it will suddenly come in handy.
Modules (missile) make sense if they are stuffed into standard containers on civilian ships during the "threatened period". It is easier (and cheaper) to build one more RTO than to mess with modules.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is not a corvette, but a patrol ship.

His task is to fight pirates, and against them a 57-mm cannon with machine guns is quite enough.

Or do you now propose to shove and carry them on every ship of caliber just like that ?!

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This is not a corvette, but a patrol ship.

His task is to fight pirates, and against them a 57-mm cannon with machine guns is quite enough.

Not with pirates, but with dill

[alexmach]

Not with pirates, but with dill lol yes

Such. So they will adopt at least some missile boats or RTOs, and how will he fight them? Demonstration of the flag?

[Cyril G ...]

There are already enough ships of Project 10410, which are armed with no worse than Project 22160, but at the same time they are several times smaller.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"Zaliv" with an initiative, and "Derzhavin" a long and successful service! Crew - Happy Holidays! Hooray!!!

[BDRM 667]

Quote: alexmach

Such. So they will adopt at least some missile boats or RTOs, and how will he fight them? Demonstration of the flag?

How many ? One, one and a half, or two at once?
And what kind of shishi, excuse me?

[alexmach]

How many ? One, one and a half, or two at once?

And how much do you need so what would be enough for all 6 22160?

And what kind of shishi, excuse me?

Do you seriously think that any poor state cannot afford a couple of missile boats or RTOs?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: alexmach

Do you seriously think that any poor state cannot afford a couple of missile boats or RTOs?

Your misunderstanding lies in the fact that you simply do not realize the elementary fact that patrol boats are ships peacetime, a period when no anti-ship missile system is shooting at them.

[alexmach]

Your misunderstanding

Did you answer the question about the cost of RTOs and the possibilities to arm Ukraine with them?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It is the same.

[alexmach]

Or do you now propose to shove and carry them on every ship of caliber just like that ?!

And also please do not forget GAS, preferably with the means of destruction of submarines in the kit and at least some kind of air defense. Otherwise, he is not really needed.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And also please do not forget GAS, preferably with the means of destruction of submarines in the kit and at least some kind of air defense. Otherwise, he is not really needed.

Both GAS and Air Defense and Uraniums / Calibers with Zircons will use the corvette of the project 20380/20385 and have been making them for a long time and the factories are loaded far ahead, for a dozen already signed, they will do - there will still be a contract. Everything is good so far.

And we still need a ship to protect shipping from pirates, and this threat is real. What are you suggesting again the nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" to send a destroyer or a corvette to fight the pirates?

Wouldn't it be wiser to make a series of patrol ships, where there will be fewer weapons, because against pirates neither air defense systems nor Caliber are needed, but there is more autonomy and comfort for the crew + landing force ?! Reasonable.

That's why they made Project 22160. In order to perform anti-piracy tasks more efficiently and not to distract warships with it and not burn their more expensive resource.

If you need to translate a sofa or a refrigerator, don't order Kamaz for this, but use the Gazelle. So here, they made a series of cheaper patrol ships compared to corvettes so as not to distract corvettes, destroyers or cruisers for these tasks.

Here's a comparison -

The autonomy of Project 22160 is 60 days, a crew of 28 + 80 Marines, versus 15 days for Project 20380/20385, a crew of 100, and where are the Marines all this time to keep, feed and deploy, or will we send signalmen and radar operators from the resting shift to arrest? ))

If you use Project 20380 for patrolling, you will often have to drive it back and forth or other supply vessels to it, replenishing everything. This money is not small.

On Project 22160 there is a special booking of a high-speed boat with a dock, it is very convenient to have pirate trays on it and catch up and attack if necessary. And what of this do other ships have?

And in the end, what is the more effective way to carry out patrolling and ensure the safety of navigation from what we now have?

In my pr. 22160, it is beyond competition in efficiency for anti-piracy tasks !!! Russia needs this ship !!!

[alexmach]

Wouldn't it be wiser to make a series of patrol ships, with fewer weapons,

I myself have not been to the Horn of Africa, but I heard that the problem of piracy has become noticeably easier. And the issue was decided not so much by the Navy as by PMCs on merchant ships. In my opinion, this is the most rational solution possible.

On Project 22160 there is a special booking of a high-speed boat with a dock, it is very convenient to have pirate trays on it and catch up and attack if you have to

The boat can be placed on any ship. And specifically about this boat there was a lot of criticism.

And in the end, what is the more effective way to carry out patrolling and ensure the safety of navigation from what we now have?

It is definitely more profitable to have an inexpensive boat for this than to drive the BOD pirates. But how urgent is it in general to combat pirates for the Navy now?

In my pr. 22160, it is beyond competition in efficiency for anti-piracy tasks !!!

This is a controversial statement. There was an extensive article criticizing him for the anti-piracy ship. The thesis of the problem is a small displacement, inappropriate equipment (this is about the same boat), slow speed, insufficient armament even for anti-piracy missions.

[Looking for]

What pirates? Romanian, Bulgarian or Turkish?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Samoliysky and the like.

[Nazar]

Ratmir - A series of 5 pieces and all against pirates? Have you seen enough movies with Johnny Depp? In what frenzy and who saw the "pirates" in the Black Sea? There are only neighbors Ukraine and Georgia, and now, without fantasies, we will proceed from the fact that there was already - 08.08.2008 - the incident with the Georgian missile boat. They started shooting at him with some kind of rocket, and that was it. 22160 "zvezdanut" nothing, the range of destruction even outdated Soviet anti-ship missiles is much greater than that of the 76 mm gun. So, God forbid, of course, but in the event of a repetition of a similar situation, 22160 will have to skimp on at full steam and urgently call for help something more capable.
This "project" is a useless product, a criminal waste of effort, time and money, a real "sabotage".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why are you writing nonsense to me about pirates in the Black Sea ?!

Do you even take a look at the news feed on this topic and remember how many problems there were with the same Samoi pirates !!!

Then the cruiser had to be driven there from the Northern Fleet.

And for combat operations with a modern enemy fleet, we have corvettes of project 20380/20385 and frigates of project 22350 and other ships with air defense and missiles, as well as submarines.

And Project 22160 is a patrol ship and we need it.

[Nazar]

Ratmir_Ryazan - the Navy has no patrol functions, this is the lot of the FSB. In the Navy, small ships are needed to protect coastal facilities (including their own bases) and for this 22160 is not suitable.
In the fleet of anti-submarine ships, there is nothing left, who and what will cover the exit from the bases of underwater strategists is unknown, and the admirals are playing pirates?
BOD, MPK ahead of a steam locomotive should be built and not yachts with machine guns.
The presence of such "ships" in the fleet pleases you - your right, I do not intend to persuade you.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

You first take a look at how many corvettes of Project 20380/20385 are being built and how many more the contract has been signed, then look at the number of frigates of Project 22350 under construction, before yelling that everything is gone.

Now they are building universal corvettes and frigates, not IPC and BOD. And they build in such a way that the shipyards are all loaded ahead for several years.

In addition, work is underway to create a more powerful ship, project 22350M.

And the anti-piracy patrol ships of project 22160 are needed just in order not to distract more powerful and expensive ships of the fleet for these purposes, which are intended for other tasks.

[loki565]

Recently, the article was about the creation of a small anti-ship missile system for helicopters, it can be hit with turntables

[bessmertniy]

Seven feet!

[Deniso]

Handsome. Agile and versatile. God help us in our successful defense. And so it will be.

[Cyril G ...]

In short, no boat. Can't do anything, can't do anything. Sawed clean. Apofigeus can be said. Reincarnation of the old Imperial Navy's story about the cruiser-Yacht on which they forgot to screw the guns.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Can't do anything, can't do anything.

Kirill,
In the form in which it is now - possible. BUT! This project was positioned as a platform for non-aerial vehicles and numerous containerized weapon modules. Therefore, do not rush to "stigmatize" the designers. Wait for the chick to fledge. And then let's look at the flight of this bird: it will be a penguin or a petrel!
IMHO.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

In the form in which it is now - possible. BUT! This project was positioned as a platform for non-aerial vehicles and numerous containerized weapon modules.

The lead ship was laid down in 2014. It's been 6 years now. The Navy receives the third ship of the project.
Where is at least one container, except for a diving and GAS on testing?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexey RA

Where is at least one container, except for a diving and GAS on testing?

Alexey, this is not for me ... I have been in reserve since 2010, and retired since 7.11.20/XNUMX/XNUMX.
However, he will most likely be involved in mine action. Side-by-side lapels for launching UFO-seekers / destroyers. A GPBA with equipment in a container can be placed at the stern - here's the DPLN boat for you. Why not? If RZK / GISU can, why can't 22160?

Quote: Cyril G ...

GAK, Cannons, Air Defense Systems and others in the same spirit are the minimal gentleman's set of a warship.

Why would he need them? This is not a cruiser, not an EM, not even a corvette ... This is a patrol ship. And his tasks are appropriate. But why did the state need them (with autonomy as much as 60 days!) You ask the chairman of the military-technical commission under the president.
But the fact that the ship will be able to search for the MZM and conduct g / a observation is, obviously, soon we will see.
About the air defense system. They will come up with something for self-defense. There is a place for this.
About PLO. The "Package" will be modernized, the machine will be removed, the control system will be simplified and it will be possible to use it. The GAS package has only 350 kg, I think they will find a place for it, the problem is not so big. In addition, the spinner is a long arm with 2 MTTs. Why don't you PLO !?
So take your time, let's see what comes out of the ugly duckling ...
AHA.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is a patrol ship. And his tasks are appropriate. But why did the state need them (with autonomy as much as 60 days!) You ask the chairman of the military-technical commission under the president.

It is better to ask specifically Comrade Chirkov, who was commander-in-chief in 2014 - why did he order the FSB-shny PSKR for the fleet?

[Lex_is]

However, he will most likely be involved in mine action. Lackports on the side for launching UOA-seekers / destroyers.

Will not be. For NPA-seekers / destroyers (by the way, where do we have them, except for two Inspectors Mk 2?), A sufficiently powerful crane is needed, which there is nowhere to cram. And on the helicopter deck of the NPA it is still a pleasure to carry, not to mention the fact that in this case you will have to abandon the use of a helicopter and the flooding of the poop in this project by 4-5 points.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Therefore, do not rush to "stigmatize" the designers.

As experience shows, container modules are suitable especially for auxiliary equipment such as a diving container or a temporary holding chamber. Dot.

GAK, Cannons, Air Defense Systems and others in the same spirit are the minimal gentleman's set of a warship.
In fact, there is no GAK, there is no TA, there is no air defense system. This is not a battle ship. This is not to mention the fact that the donkeys from the General Staff of the Fleet for some reason began to talk about the protection of a 200-mile zone, a task that no one actually set them. And if they are needed there, then just with anti-ship missiles and torpedoes, and not just one AK-176MA
Further, now about finances - the ships cost at least 40 billion. With this money, it was possible to order either 3 corvettes of pr.20380 or a minimum of 24 Su-30SM fighters. Both this and that would be an order of magnitude more useful

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Both this and that would be an order of magnitude more useful

When I began to get acquainted with the characteristics of this ship, the first thought was: "What is the need of the Black Sea Fleet for ships of this class?" 80 crew members, and the weapons ... But you noticed everything ...
If we proceed from the principle of the “first” (in the future - three) pancakes for the Kerch Shipyard “Zaliv”, then you can smile. This is some kind of joy, some kind of success ... We cannot see from the sofas how the "mosquito fleet" of the probable foe seeks to inflict damage on the Black Sea coast of the Russian Federation, where the ships of the project 22160 will keep guards ...
And the impression, after studying the materials on power plants, on the staff and capabilities of shipbuilders, on the experience of building and providing the "inner stuffing" of the hull, is twofold. From the series: "Better a bird in the hands than a pie in the sky."

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, that the new ship is good .. but that is the truth, the weapon is rather weak .. he will provide protection of the water area from whom only with a 57 mm cannon? Even something does not go into my head for this .. But, if the installation of modules and options for their use is really provided, the question - of course I shoot

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

he will protect the water area from whom only with a 57 mm cannon will provide? Even goals don't go into my head for this ..

Crimean Bridge is a strategic site. And Svidomo still itches ... All sorts of Turkish streams, besides. So let's see.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Crimean Bridge is a strategic site.

The Crimean bridge is guarded by the Guard and RG. If some miracle Yudo climbs on them, to stop which they do not have enough of their strength, then 22160 with its lonely gun will hardly be able to help them.

[Nazar]

Boa constrictor KAA - "then let's look at the flight of this bird: it will be a penguin or a petrel!" - the chicken will be nothing more.
Does someone else's experience teach you nothing? In the US with modularity, everything somehow does not grow together in any way, but it does not, and we also want to ride on the same rake. Below I have already written, I will repeat for you - no fantasies, the real situation - 08.08.2008 - an incident with a Georgian missile boat. One launch of some kind of rocket and everything was over, and 22160 in a similar situation, what will it do? Will send a radiogram: "Don't go anywhere, will I run to the base for the rocket module and come back?"

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nazar

- the chicken will be nothing more.

Well, chicken is so chicken. The main thing is to lay the golden eggs.

Quote: Nazar

Does someone else's experience teach you nothing?

From what. The ams did not succeed (yet) as planned, but this does not mean that the Scandinavians are also a bummer. The Finns and Swedes have quite decent achievements.

Quote: Nazar

One launch of some kind of rocket and everything was over, and 22160 in a similar situation, what will it do?

Cool down a little and turn on the birdhouse. There is a helicopter on board. And it can be Ka-252 (depending on the task). And who will stop him from having a couple of X-35s (you can even without "U"). Therefore, you do not need to worry so much. If necessary, a telegram will be sent, and aviation will be brought in, and a control center will be issued for the DBK. You do not know exactly all the possibilities inherent in the idea (body + modules) of the project. Then why call Abdullah?
(They shot ... (c)

[timokhin-aa]

Scandinavians screwed up with modules too.
On 22160, the armed helicopter cannot be tucked in, there is no cellar for the ASP.

[Boa kaa]

Ams sharpen their literal brethren for modules.
The problem of "cellars" can be solved by TPK, and not necessarily by classic anti-ship missiles, but possibly from the arsenal of ATGMs of the "Hermes" type. 100 km is also decent, if you also take it out 100 km on a spit, then IT will be the same! (As an option )
My opinion. Peacetime patrol ship 22160 will save motor resources and eliminate the diversion of line forces to patrol "problem" navigation areas. In wartime, it will take a weapon module aboard and become operational.
IMHO.

[timokhin-aa]

Ams sharpen their literal brethren for modules.

No longer. It was decided to install anti-mine modules on some of the ships, anti-submarine modules on the other, and leave them to serve without changing modules until decommissioning.

By 22160 - we will wait for at least one such patrol. While they were gone.

[Nazar]

timokhin-aa "We will wait for at least one such patrol. So far there have been none." - Colleague, so this is the third such "ship", apparently they will start thinking about the modules for them after the fifth in the series is accepted? Toga really "wait"

[timokhin-aa]

There won't be any modules on it ...

[potterz]

Of course, everyone can throw minuses! But tell me, is the comrade not right !? In fact, this is so far. A boat without modules, just a pleasure boat, in modern realities.

[Lex_is]

just a pleasure boat

Well, not just a pleasure boat, but quite a fashionable patrolman in modern realities.

Another thing is that why is it needed at all for such a cost, firstly, and why is it so our Navy, and secondly.

[Cyril G ...]

Read about the Stanflex venture

[Nazar]

denis obuckov - quote: "... in our successful defense." - this is a 57 mm cannon and "machine guns" will protect you - eh? In terms of "firepower", this is a miracle on a par with the new BMP that is also 57mm and machine guns.
And the hope for a "module" - so it can only be placed at the landing site of the helicopter, or / or.
The plant workers, of course, are great, what a demand from them - they ordered something and built it, but the one who "ordered it", and even pushed the financing, should be judged.

[Cuirassier]

I saw this handsome man in October from the Sudzhuk Spit, when he walked along the Tsemesskaya Bay to the base. It was noisy all over the bay. A very loud and unpleasant hum came from him. By such noise, he will be tracked from the Turkish coast anywhere in the Black Sea. Noise from other ships, such as bulk carriers or tankers, was not heard at all on the spit. The brilliance and poverty of the Russian fleet ... What do we admire? Picture?

[xomaNN]

"Pavel Derzhavin" is the first one built at the Kerch Shipyard "Zaliv"
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The key word has been said. Kerch shipyard came to life and forges ships for the Russian Navy

[Victorio]

Quote: xomaNN

"Pavel Derzhavin" is the first one built at the Kerch Shipyard "Zaliv"
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The key word has been said. Kerch shipyard came to life and forges ships for the Russian Navy

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exactly, the plant is working, the fleet is replenished and updated

[ccsr]

Quote: xomaNN

Kerch shipyard came to life and forges ships for the Russian Navy

In fact, to be precise, in Kerch there were the Zaliv shipyard, a shipyard, a shipyard and a shipyard. So it was not the shipyard that came to life, but the plant, and on the site of the shipyard there is still a terminal for loading liquefied gas, but it does not work, like the shipyard. By the way, at the shipyard, ships and boats were repaired, which were transferred or sold to Syria in the 50-60s of the last century.
But the resuscitation of a shipbuilding plant of allied significance is of course something remarkable even against the background of the Crimean bridge, judging by the cost of orders and further projects.

[Tiksi-3]

quote from article - Armament: 57-mm artillery mount,

anti-aircraft missile system

, machine guns. The ship provides for the possibility of basing the Ka-27PS helicopter.
and what kind of air defense system is there? - calm?)))) .... it's not there, there is a modularity option, but it is not in the standard armament!

[common man]

Quote: Tiksi-3

and what kind of air defense system is there? -

like a MANPADS.

[Thrall]

There are not many inconsistencies with the article.
From the TV-Star website:

Armed with one 76-mm gun mount AK-176MA, two 12,7-mm machine guns "Kord", two anti-sabotage grenade launchers DP-65.
The ship has a helicopter landing site, and it is also possible to place the Kalibr missile system

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Thrall

The ship has a helicopter landing site, and it is also possible to place the Kalibr missile system

there modularity - either the air defense is calm, or the missile system, and in fact neither of the other, it can be installed in a special period

[donavi49]

No. There are 2 functional slots.

Calm in the nose, but it is in the form that the MO orders - made in the form of residential modules. That is, the nasal functional slot was abandoned.

Here's what was offered at exhibitions

And here is a diagram of a real order from the reporting schedule of Zelenodol residents.

The stern remained.

[Tiksi-3]

open the fleet com and there is a photo of Derzhavin from the top, where you can see everything well))

[donavi49]

And what will I see there in the old summer photo from the reportage, which was reposted from the BMPD?

Their usual appearance, here is the video.


But the ship is already before enrollment in the fleet, beautiful

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tiksi-3

there modularity - either the air defense is calm, or the missile system, and in fact neither of the other, it can be installed in a special period

SAM can not be installed in any period. Because the seat of the UVP SAM module for 22160, ordered by the Navy, is occupied by residential and utility rooms.

[venik]

Quote: Tiksi-3

there modularity - either the air defense is calm, or the missile system, and in fact neither of the other, it can be installed in a special period

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Yes, there is generally some misunderstanding! Here's about the predecessor of "Rogachev":
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"...Rogachev's tests started in December 2018. ..... At the beginning of March, the corvette successfully completed the second special course task "Swimming and combat with a single ship." In particular, he conducted anti-aircraft and artillery fires at surface and air targets, and also worked out conditional launches missile system for sea and coastal targets... .... "(https://flotprom.ru/2019/ZelenodolskiyZavod6/)
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Those. what comes out - there are already container complexes ??

[Nazar]

Thrall is a "platform for a helicopter, and you can also place the Caliber missile system" - but not "also" - but "instead of" a helicopter, or this, or that.

[donavi49]

No, you are already confusing this with another megaproject 20386. There is either Caliber or a helicopter. For they have a common hangar with doors through which Calibers will shoot.

The helicopter patrolman has his own hangar. Take-off and landing operations are impossible only at the shooting stage.

[timokhin-aa]

Yes, not "like", but he is. And that's all.

[K-612-O]

There must be a shell, it seems like it was already with him

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: K-612-O

There must be a shell, it seems like it was already with him

The shell is not provided there at all.

[figwam]

Quote: Tiksi-3

and what kind of air defense system is there? - calm?

Can SAM 3M-47 "Flexible".

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: figvam

Can SAM 3M-47 "Flexible".

should be flexible, but is this air defense? ... go to the fleet com, there is a good shot from the top, where everything is visible))

[donavi49]

No bending there. There is a bow AU and 2 MTPU pedestals. There are MANPADS in the arsenal. Off the shoulder.

[Reader 2013]

We wrote an article, well, but why not write a couple of lines about who "Pavel Derzhavin" is

[Victorio]

Quote: Citelle 2013

We wrote an article, well, but why not write a couple of lines about who "Pavel Derzhavin" is

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here the info is https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/767074-patrulnyi-kater-pavel-derzhavin

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Citatelle 2013

who is "Pavel Derzhavin"

Pavel Ivanovich Derzhavin - sailor, Hero of the Soviet Union, Captain I rank, Born on February 27, 1904 in Peterhof in the family of a worker, a former Baltic sailor. Died on February 17, 1993, buried at the Second Christian Cemetery in Odessa.
Honorary Citizen of Odessa, Tutrakan and Bratislava. He was also awarded three Orders of the Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov 2nd degree and Ushakov 2nd degree, three Orders of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree, the Order of the Red Star, a number of medals, foreign awards, including the Partisan Stars of the SFRY 1st and 2nd degree.

[ccsr]

Pavel Derzhavin is the first one to be built at the Kerch Shipyard Zaliv. Laid down on February 18, 2016, launched on February 21, 2019. The launch of the sea trials took place on July 23, 2020.

In a little over four years, I consider it a great success for our shipbuilders to receive a new ship, completely built at a new shipyard, which was initially in a deplorable state. I hope the next serial ships will be introduced faster, and this is good news. I think that the introduction of our helicopter carriers will go according to plan - not all of us have been made with a finger ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: ccsr

Get a new ship in over four years, completely built in a new shipyard, which was initially in a deplorable state, I consider it a great success for our shipbuilders.

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At the first session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in January 1938, the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V.M. Molotov said: "The mighty Soviet state must have a naval and ocean-going fleet corresponding to its interests, worthy of our great cause." The words of the Soviet prime minister reflected the changed views of the leadership of the USSR, and, above all, I.V. Stalin, on the priorities for the further construction of the Navy. It was at this time that the 10-year "Big Shipbuilding Program" was born, which envisaged, first of all, the construction of battleships and heavy cruisers that would personify the ocean power of the state.
According to the original version of the 10-year program, by 1946 the Soviet fleet was supposed to have 15 battleships, 15 heavy and 28 light cruisers, 144 destroyers, 336 submarines, dozens of ships of other classes and hundreds of combat boats ...
... Before the start of the war, the fleet included six cruising submarines of the "K" type. The same number was in the building. They were completed and handed over to the Navy during the war years.
By the beginning of World War II, the ship composition of the USSR Navy consisted of 3 battleships, 7 cruisers, 59 leaders and destroyers, 218 submarines, 269 torpedo boats, 22 patrol ships, 88 minesweepers, 77 submarine hunters and a number of other ships and boats, as well as auxiliary ships. There were 219 ships under construction, including 3 battleships, 2 heavy and 7 light cruisers, 45 destroyers, 91 submarines. In terms of combat and operational qualities, the built domestic surface ships were at the level of similar ships of foreign fleets.

Completely: https://flot.com/history/io7.htm
In just over four years ... the USSR broke the back of Nazi Germany ... Tell us how much and what was produced at the country's factories? And you rejoiced ...
Continue. At this rate, Russia will restore the fleet ... by the Second Coming ... Unless, of course, sanctions, coronavirus and ...

[ccsr]

Quote: ROSS 42

In just over four years ... the USSR broke the back of Nazi Germany ...

We do not live in the USSR, and Russia is half the population of the Soviet Union. So at least make adjustments to this if you refer to the past. As for the pre-war naval construction, knowing what happened to the country after the adoption of this program, it can be argued that it was the wrong choice, and the war proved it.

[aszzz888]

Krasava, boat! Come on, rule the service on the Black Sea. Neighboring adversaries salivate, and snot come out. Clean service!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: aszzz888

Krasava, boat!

only he is stupid (there is no air defense, no anti-aircraft weapons, no strike weapons), and so handsome, it is just the right time to drive Somali pirates!

[faiver]

and when did the Somali pirates move to the Black Sea?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: faiver

and when did the Somali pirates move to the Black Sea?

oh, yes, that is worn out .... our ships that chase pirates are in the ports of africa!
what does the Black Sea and Somali pirates have to do with it? built here, the Black Sea fleet, and will walk at the African horn, it was for these purposes that the entire series was laid !! or do you think if a nuclear submarine was built in Gorky, then they are based on the Volga ???

[Nazar]

Tiksi-3 is an almost unarmed ship and in serial production - how is it?
in the absence of Somali pirates in the Black Sea, he will have to communicate with the rogueli, and what?

[ccsr]

Quote: Tiksi-3

only he is stupid (there is no air defense, no anti-aircraft weapons, no strike weapons),

And do you actually imagine the Black Sea region and its equipping with various means, including air defense and anti-ship missile defense systems, so that you can place everything that comes into your head on this small ship? I believe that it is for our near sea zone that only such ships should be built - quickly and not at a cost. When using a ship with naval aviation, this "duet" will have no equal on the Black Sea - what else do you need?

[Lex_is]

specifically for our near sea zone

The project included an autonomy of 60 days. and a cruising range of 6000 miles, which is somehow not very necessary for the near sea zone.

fast and not expensive.

40 billion, for this - is it not expensive?
And why is it fundamentally better for the near sea zone than 22460, which in 14 cost only 2,51 billion?

[ccsr]

Quote: Lex_is

The project included an autonomy of 60 days. and a cruising range of 6000 miles, which is somehow not very necessary for the near sea zone.

Well, what can you know about what prospects this ship has for selling it abroad in not very rich countries? Maybe this is a pilot series for a very long term - don't you allow that?

Quote: Lex_is

40 billion, for this - is it not expensive?

I cannot know the current prices of the equipment that is installed on it, but as far as I know, no one canceled the military acceptance, which means that they checked the cost estimate. To whom are the claims in this case, if not to the naval? Ask Timokhin or "Mina" - maybe they will put everything on the shelves for you ...

Quote: Lex_is

And why is it fundamentally better for the near sea zone than 22460, which in 14 cost only 2,51 billion?

Let those who ordered this ship explain this to you - I have nothing to do with them, I did not even stand close. But I will not believe that even taking into account inflation, the ship of the project you indicated is equivalent to the Derzhavin.

[Lex_is]

what prospects does this ship have for selling it abroad to not very rich countries

None, for the simple reason that this is an extremely unfortunate mixture of a bulldog and a rhino at an inadequate price. The global OPV market is oversaturated and there are more than enough adequate solutions for every taste and wallet. The same
22120, 22100 are more likely to buy. They have everything an OPV needs at the right price.

[ccsr]

Quote: Lex_is

The global OPV market is oversaturated and there are more than enough adequate solutions for every taste and wallet.

I have no doubt, but the problem is the price of the issue and the equipment on board. In our country, the whole country does not drive Mercedes, but most of all buy frets and some "Koreans", despite the advertising of world car brands.

Quote: Lex_is

The same
22120, 22100 are more likely to buy. They have everything an OPV needs at the right price.

I cannot comment on this, because I do not have accurate data either on cost or on their characteristics. And unfounded statements in such matters are not an argument for the acquisition of ships of this series by foreign countries - they also know how to count money there.

[Lex_is]

but the whole problem is in the price of the issue and in the equipment on board

Naturally.

they also know how to count money.

That is why this project has no prospects for sale. He initially had inadequate requirements for the project, which, due to the fact that the designers followed the customer's lead, resulted in such a miracle-yudo very necessary stealth forms for the patroller, problems with speed, seaworthiness, flooding, beating waves and vibrations during the rough seas 2 points or more and much more. For that, there is such a need for poor countries autonomy of 60 days, a range of 6000 miles and a large supply of fuel for the helicopter.

[ccsr]

Quote: Lex_is

He initially has inadequate requirements for the project,

Who's got it?

Quote: Lex_is

due to the fact that the designers followed the customer's lead,

It cannot be otherwise - the customer cares what they do not want to do according to his requirements.

Quote: Lex_is

problems with speed, seaworthiness, flooding, beating waves and vibrations during rough seas 2 points or more, and much more

I cannot discuss this, because not in the subject. But the question is different - who ordered such a ship and under whose pressure the project with such shortcomings was adopted. Can you name a specific chairman of the commission for the acceptance of this project?

Quote: Lex_is

For that, there is such a need for poor countries autonomy of 60 days, a range of 6000 miles and a large supply of fuel for the helicopter.

For example, Indonesia or Malaysia will really need such a ship.

[next322]

and how will this super ship protect itself against the Ukrainian beyraktar in the Black Sea? ..

[lucul]

And how will this super ship protect itself against the Ukrainian beyraktar in the Black Sea?

You have already Javelin destroyed all the Armata in Donbass ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tiksi-3

only he is stupid (there is no air defense, no anti-aircraft weapons, no strike weapons), and so handsome, it is just the right time to drive Somali pirates!

Uh-huh ... small displacement (stricter limits on excitement during takeoff and landing), DShL, which can be taken only when it is calm (the inspection team will go on ordinary boats without protection), one helicopter and a shortage of speed by the ship. Just right.
To chase Somali pirates, an ordinary civilian vessel, converted for the basing of helicopters and inspection / landing groups, is enough. Because you don't need to run after pirates - you need to fly.

[faiver]

To chase Somali pirates, an ordinary civilian ship converted for basing helicopters is enough

- quite right, there is no need for a warship

[Lex_is]

the inspection team will go on ordinary boats without protection

Considering the deadlift and amazing seaworthiness of the DShL, maybe this is for the best, at least they won't be killed, they won't be damaged (at such sizes and on much more seaworthy boats in an enclosed space it is very bad) and they will be able to organize cover with a second boat.

[lucul]

To chase Somali pirates, an ordinary civilian vessel, converted for the basing of helicopters and inspection / landing groups, is enough. Because you don't need to run after pirates - you need to fly.

He has all this, he is modular, when it is necessary to move out for patrolling, they will put the modules forward. In addition, he quickly lowers an armored boat. Civilian ships are not quite suitable for this role. The 57 mm cannon from Derivation-AA can fire remotely detonated shells, which enhances the ship's AA defenses.
In general, a boat for displaying the flag, and not so cheap. But for showing the flag makes an impression.

[faiver]

Neighboring adversaries drool, and snot will run out

- which ones? Turks can? these will only laugh ...

[next322]

only gun mount AK 176 76,2 mm, not 57mm

[Nazar]

next322 - apparently so, but the "specialist" who rolled an article 2 inches from 3 inches is unable to distinguish?

[lucul]

only gun mount AK 176 76,2 mm, not 57mm

The 57 mm cannon (Baikal module) from the Derivation-AA defense complements the ship's AA defense well

[Lex_is]

What about your eyesight? Good?
Where do you see the Baikal module?

[seregin-s1]

Great ship! Long service and health to the crew!

[faiver]

a ship of an indefinite range of tasks, apparently they will frighten the Ukrainian fleet so that more serious and large ships do not distract ...

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: faiver

a ship of an indefinite range of tasks, apparently they will frighten the Ukrainian fleet

22160 without air defense, if the Ukrainians are very "frightened", they can drown our sailors like kittens. PCR Neptune they have, Ukraine is not Somalia or the CAR. You can really scare the Project 22350 frigate.

[faiver]

promised to deliver Gibk ...

if Ukrainians are very "frightened", they can drown our sailors like kittens

- I doubt very much that Zelensky wants to see our tanks in Kiev ...

[Nazar]

faiver - Zelensky is exhausted, their dog knows what will come for him, and it is a crime to pump money, time, materials, labor of people into the serial production of unarmed ships.
new RTOs, comparable to this miracle in size, look how armed.

[faiver]

Well, maybe a module for eight calibers will be piled, or uraniums will be put on the deck, but the fact that the ship is neither two nor one and a half is for sure ...

[KCA]

Are there "Neptunes" in the troops? Not so long ago, there was an article that the purchases of the Neptune anti-ship missiles were not planned, well, maybe there are a couple of experimental

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: KCA

there are two or three, experimental

They can assemble 6-7 RCC Neptune without any problems. In Ukraine, documentation, samples of Uranium anti-ship missiles were available, key components were produced. Including an engine that Ukraine itself would never have done in principle. The glider is not that important, but still. The GOS is new, but the GOS is the simplest thing with the current electronics. Despite the fact that there was a technical base in Ukraine, and ARLGSN for the URVV were quite produced, that is, people with some experience were not only in abstract electronics. The fact that 50 years ago in electronics was a high-tech of insane complexity, today - in Chinese consumer goods at $ 2.50 for ten pieces. There are small-scale production of guided missiles of various types, solid fuel for accelerators - already a giant plant from the USSR left, with all serial technologies and recipes.

[carstorm 11]

To scare a frigate?) Boats?) They may have a frigate, but we also have that) and much more) oppose their weapons, then mention ours) they can drown a kittens at most one or two patrol ships. They don't go there in herds. But then what?) Ukraine is not Somalia) it is much uglier since the monkey has a pair of anti-ship missiles) and with which they do not know what to do.

[lucul]

22160 without air defense

The 57mm A-220M cannon may well be used in antiaircraft defense, it has the structural ability to fire shells with remote detonation - a firing range of 5 km.

[Lex_is]

Cool, of course, only 22160 mm AK-76,2 is placed on pr. 176.

[donavi49]

What for? Or rather, this is a very bad idea. 22160 has such key features for which others had to sacrifice:
- 60 days of autonomy.
- excellent habitability.
- good seaworthiness.
- a large (and for such a displacement, probably a record, in the Russian Navy for sure) fuel and lubricants for a helicopter.
- good efficiency and speed (well, after replacing engines, it is no longer so unambiguous there), however, it is not adapted to racing, not adapted to dynamic races and maneuvers.

That is, it will be bad to drive an armored boat. And all his chips are corny not needed in the World Cup. And why use it by inflating a possible incident to a full PUTIN NAPAL - NATA PAMAHI !! 111if there are guys from the relevant department on the spot. Which have fireflies perfectly adapted for all boats.

[faiver]

Well, what else can this ship do? it is redundant for the protection of bases, and insufficient for independent work in isolation from the base.

[lucul]

That is, it will be bad to drive an armored boat.

His helicopter will do it quite well for him.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: faiver

undefined ship

The range of tasks for 22160 is just quite definite. It's just that these tasks are not within the competence of the Navy - because the project was originally done for the FSB guard. And now the fleet is trying to somehow adapt this classic specialized PSKR to its tasks.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexey RA

because the project was originally done for the FSB security guard. And now the fleet is trying to somehow adapt this classic specialized PSKR to its tasks.

Most likely, they could just bend the naval officers and tell them to do it, so as not to make excuses to the president later that the money went down the drain. This has happened in our history - the example with the Mistrals is a confirmation of this. But this is hard to believe, if only because now there is not enough money and if this project were naval across the throat, I think they would, together with Shoigu, convince the president that we need this ship like a goat accordion. And that's why I have an assumption that then these ships will appear in Syria, Algeria, Libya, etc. and it is quite possible that they have a potential buyer right now. But this is only my version.

[lopuhan2006]

22120 at border guards is exactly four times cheaper. Modularity for this vessel (not a ship) is a disadvantage bordering on sabotage. Cannon and MANPADS and pedestals under Kord ... well, well. Ka-27PS for him? There the Ka-226 is enough for the eyes. Maybe it's not too late and add the Package with the Vignette as a stationary and at the same time Ka-27PL then
Yes, shove the entire container with Caliber to the one who suggested this idea in the place where he was sitting while inventing this wrecking venture. And this ship will become at least an anti-submarine ship.

[next322]

Yes, shove the whole container with Caliber to the one who suggested this idea in the place where he was sitting while inventing this sabotage venture.

He was such a commander-in-chief of the navy, and now he is like an employee of the USC by the name of Chirkov

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: lopuhan2006

22120 at border guards is exactly four times cheaper.

You can compare better with ships of the Polar Star type. Project 22100. They are simply gorgeous from the point of view of the border service.

And the point of view of the patrol boat pr. 22160 compared to the Ocean is a specific squalor.

[lucul]

You can compare better with ships of the Polar Star type. Project 22100. They are simply gorgeous from the point of view of the border service.

Not gorgeous - but reasonable expediency.
As Michelangelo said when he was asked how he creates his masterpieces - I just take and cut off everything unnecessary)))

[Alexey RA]

Armament: 57-mm artillery mount, anti-aircraft missile system, machine guns.

Maybe it's enough to rewrite old booklets and posters already? The Burevestnik flew by with its A-220M, the fleet did not reduce its caliber, leaving the good old 76,2 mm AK-176.
And the "anti-aircraft missile system" at 22160 is a column-type MANPADS "Gibka". Purely in order to look through the sight at an approaching missile - for its firing range is less than the launch range of even an ATGM.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alexey RA

The Burevestnik flew by with its A-220M, the fleet did not reduce its caliber, leaving the good old 76,2 mm AK-176.

And this is the right decision.

[Andre___86]

Armament is rather weak. (((

[next322]

and EXTREMELY WEAK)))))))

[Nazar]

"Karakurt" - 800t displacement. The ships of this series are armed with a 76-mm automatic universal gun and the Pantsir-M anti-aircraft missile and cannon system. But the main striking force is, of course, the Kalibr-NK or Onyx cruise missile complex, and in the future, the Zircon, the Caliber can be equipped with nuclear warheads.
Compare:
22160 - 1300t - one and a half times more and the same 76 mm art, there is no air defense at all, there is no missile armament. ...
A pointless waste of manpower and resources and not a ship.

[lopuhan2006]

Why does a patrolman need shock functions? For this, there are Karakurt and Guardians. But anti-submarine and air defense are needed.

[Lex_is]

But anti-submarine and air defense are needed.

Yes. But, unfortunately, they are also missing.

[lopuhan2006]

Two hares, on two chairs .. And nothing is strong. Even DSL up to 2 points for the sea .... For this project there should be a tower. For waste, for sabotage, for bribes and for non-compliance.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lopuhan2006

Even DSL up to 2x points for the sea ...

Moreover, you can only take it on board in calm weather - otherwise it will carry something with its hull on the stern ramp.

[Cyril G ...]

I agree - our OVR is dying and Vitek dabbled with ridiculous and inadequate OPVs. Probably I put more than one dacha on the ruble in my pocket

[Romeo]

Very good autonomy and cruising range. These are its advantages. And what to do with him, they will find.

[Ax Matt]

Why would this boat have 80 crew members and 60 days of autonomy ?! Where will he go with such a "weapon" ??? It would be better to increase the speed, increase the armament ... An absolutely useless yacht.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

The Black Sea Fleet will soon have nowhere to base them! Moscow, why the fuck is the Pacific Fleet? This is our policy! The White House Covers Its Butt! Now from the north, now from the south! And what about the east? There are no such missiles, except for ballistic ones! Even in this, officials dearer their own skin than the Motherland!

[Looking for]

I have only one question, why in Novorossiysk. and not in Sevastopol ?????

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But the fact that the ship will be able to search for the MZM and conduct g / a observation is, obviously, soon we will see.
About the air defense system. They will come up with something for self-defense. There is a place for this.
About PLO.

So the boat may initially need to be done humanly. If, as a "squadron minesweeper" is one thing. If "IPC" is different. But in fact they did nothing. By the way, my friend in the carriage took Petropavlovsk - the guys from the Thundering came to them and envied the comfort. Why do I need to make an ocean-going OPV with a displacement of 1300-1500 tons? This is what idiots you have to be, or just hate your subordinates.

[Lex_is]

to make an oceanic OPV with a displacement of 1300-1500 tons is what idiots you have to be, well, or just hate your subordinates.

It's not just about displacement
These, for example, in the Pacific Ocean quite work for themselves and have proven themselves quite well, although their dimensions are smaller with a displacement of 1850 tons.

[Pavel57]

Not clear project, not clear how to apply and in what situations.

[Lirik R]

Quote: ROSS 42

USSR broke

Is Russian a foreign language for you?

[reader65]

Quote: Lex_is

40 billion, for this - is it not expensive?
And why is it fundamentally better for the near sea zone than 22460, which in 14 cost only 2,51 billion

Price and better for chirkov and co.