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German press: Moscow's long arm is in no hurry to grab someone

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German press: Moscow's long arm is in no hurry to grab someone

Russia is no longer actively interfering in the affairs of the former Soviet republics, and recently Putin has decided to reconsider his attitude to the events around the country. Ulrich Kroeckel came to this conclusion in his article for Frankfurter Rundschau.


According to the author of the article, a phase of reflection has begun in Russia: Moscow is deciding which former Soviet republics are really important for it from a geostrategic point of view, and which ones can be released “into free float,” even with an orientation toward the West or Turkey.

If a year ago Russia without any reservations considered the entire post-Soviet space to be a geopolitical sphere of its influence, then recently Moscow has been reacting to events in the former republics of the USSR calmly, as if what is happening does not interest it strongly. The events in the Caucasus, where the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia took place, became an example of this. Moscow patiently watched events in Nagorno-Karabakh for several weeks before intervening.

(...) the hand of Moscow, once very long, is no longer in a hurry to grab someone. Instead, the Kremlin prefers to influence processes from the outside with a minimum expenditure of manpower and resources.

- writes Kröckel.

The author is convinced that Moscow has chosen a new strategy based on an analysis of actions in Georgia, Syria and Ukraine since 2008. According to this analysis, the political and economic losses from military interventions, including the annexation of Crimea, far outweigh the benefits. Therefore, Moscow decided not to actively intervene in the events of Nagorno-Karabakh or the protests in Belarus.

Moscow deliberately takes a wait and see attitude and only signals that it can intervene under certain conditions. The new strategy allows Putin to avoid irreversible steps that would drive him into a dead end and entail a significant increase in damage due to new Western sanctions, the author sums up.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 27 November 2020 09: 02
    -1
    The Kremlin prefers to influence processes from the outside with a minimum expenditure of forces and funds

    Finally!
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 27 November 2020 09: 07
      +4
      Which end?
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 27 November 2020 09: 19
        +10
        If I meant
        Which end?

        then "finally" was written separately, i.e. "at the end", direction. Don't you understand the difference between "finally" and "at the end"?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 November 2020 18: 25
          +6
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          then "finally" was written separately, i.e. "finally",

          Sidor, if you are so literate that you can even distinguish the spelling of a noun with a preposition from the adverb "mode of action", then it would not hurt to study the spelling of the particle "then" with them. And you will be happy! lol
          AHA.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 27 November 2020 09: 25
        -21%
        Quote: Pilot
        Which end?

        The end of the empire. The post-Soviet space can be considered lost. Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.
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        2. Civil
          Civil 27 November 2020 10: 16
          -7
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Pilot
          Which end?

          The end of the empire. The post-Soviet space can be considered lost. Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.

          All empires come to an end sooner or later, especially with a bare sirloin and unclear prospects.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 28 November 2020 13: 22
            +1
            Is it about the EU and the US?
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 27 November 2020 10: 30
          +16
          Quote: Svarog
          The end of the empire.
          Even if it is the end of the empire, it is not the end of Russia.

          Quote: Svarog
          The post-Soviet space can be considered lost.
          Not possible, but necessary. It is high time to communicate with them, as they do, proceeding from their interests.


          Quote: Svarog
          Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.
          I agree 100%.
          And what to do in this case is clear.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 27 November 2020 11: 48
            +11
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: Svarog
            The end of the empire.
            Even if it is the end of the empire, it is not the end of Russia.

            Quote: Svarog
            The post-Soviet space can be considered lost.
            Not possible, but necessary. It is high time to communicate with them, as they do, proceeding from their interests.


            Quote: Svarog
            Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.
            I agree 100%.
            And what to do in this case is clear.

            Russia cannot be an empire ... that's the problem.
            It is necessary to strengthen the state from within. Only the socialist vector will pull the Russian Federation out of the inevitable decay. It is necessary to switch to a planned economy, to maintain a state monopoly on alcohol, natural resources, and large-scale industry.
            1. TAMBU
              TAMBU 27 November 2020 12: 07
              +10
              yes ... and also to introduce ideology, develop education and medicine ... while preparing for opposition, both external and internal, because the current government does not need such a turn in politics ...
            2. Terenin
              Terenin 27 November 2020 12: 19
              +3
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Terenin
              Quote: Svarog
              The end of the empire.
              Even if it is the end of the empire, it is not the end of Russia.

              Quote: Svarog
              The post-Soviet space can be considered lost.
              Not possible, but necessary. It is high time to communicate with them, as they do, proceeding from their interests.


              Quote: Svarog
              Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.
              I agree 100%.
              And what to do in this case is clear.

              Russia cannot be an empire ... that's the problem.
              It is necessary to strengthen the state from within. Only the socialist vector will pull the Russian Federation out of the inevitable decay. It is necessary to switch to a planned economy, to maintain a state monopoly on alcohol, natural resources, and large-scale industry.

              Yes.
              To this I would also add - the ideology associated with the historical traditions of Russia.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 27 November 2020 14: 44
                0
                Quote: Terenin
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: Terenin
                Quote: Svarog
                The end of the empire.
                Even if it is the end of the empire, it is not the end of Russia.

                Quote: Svarog
                The post-Soviet space can be considered lost.
                Not possible, but necessary. It is high time to communicate with them, as they do, proceeding from their interests.


                Quote: Svarog
                Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.
                I agree 100%.
                And what to do in this case is clear.

                Russia cannot be an empire ... that's the problem.
                It is necessary to strengthen the state from within. Only the socialist vector will pull the Russian Federation out of the inevitable decay. It is necessary to switch to a planned economy, to maintain a state monopoly on alcohol, natural resources, and large-scale industry.

                Yes.
                To this I would also add - the ideology associated with the historical traditions of Russia.

                I agree. hi
            3. cniza
              cniza 27 November 2020 12: 34
              +7
              Only the socialist vector will pull the Russian Federation out of the inevitable decay.


              And why did he ruin the USSR, maybe it's not about isms?
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 28 November 2020 13: 27
                +2
                Yes, in everything, and in "-isms" too. There is no universal recipe. But the prerequisites are creative motivation, high intelligence and discipline at key points of leadership.
            4. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 27 November 2020 18: 38
              +1
              Quote: Svarog
              Only the socialist vector will pull the Russian Federation out of the inevitable decay.

              Have we already learned the lessons from the collapse of the world's first socialist state? And where are you going to get all the world eaters?
              And a bunch of other questions. Only with revolutions you no longer need to experiment. Perhaps they are enough for us ... Better to let the States steam in a bloodbath, and we'll see from the outside ...
              And the leftists and neo-Trotskyists, like the anal, we will send to the Yankees to strengthen the "protest movement". And our air will be cleaner, and they have no entertainment.
              laughing
            5. meandr51
              meandr51 28 November 2020 13: 23
              0
              Long live the Great December Socialist Revolution?
          2. Sofa
            Sofa 27 November 2020 15: 24
            +1
            All this is certainly good, if not a single But !!! we see nothing good, prices are growing, the population is getting poorer, new taxes are being pressed, import substitution does not work at full capacity, we cannot but depend on the West, because the market economy, and our government is so good at why bother. and we help them
            the post-Soviet republics simply have nothing, they themselves are.
        4. orionvitt
          orionvitt 27 November 2020 15: 41
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          Further, they will inevitably begin to undermine the country from within.

          Did you just wake up? For the past 35 years, all and sundry have been doing this, and with special ecstasy. Under all sorts of "democratic" signs. However, the same thing happened a hundred years ago, and two hundred. There are "Decembrists", there are "Octobrists", there are "Anarchists", there is someone else. However, for some reason they hate only Stalin, for bringing order. Now, with the filing of "democrats" and "liberals", they formulate a new "hated personality". True to Stalin, this person, oh, how far away. Otherwise there would have been more order and no one would have whined that "everything is lost."
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 27 November 2020 19: 25
            +4
            Quote: orionvitt
            True to Stalin, this person, oh, how far away.

            The main thing is that Stalin did not do everything alone. Stalin is a man who managed to mobilize society around the idea of ​​socialism and he acted with associates who were ideological and believed in what they were doing. And today's personality is not even close and cannot be compared .. This personality who chose capitalism .. and the one who makes this choice is well aware that the choice is based on the oppression and robbery of the population of the whole country by a narrow group of people.
        5. Senior manager
          Senior manager 27 November 2020 22: 28
          +1
          Oh, matsans. Chickens are always counted in the fall. I come from the USSR. Time puts everything in its place. I was convinced more than once.
    2. Livonetc
      Livonetc 27 November 2020 09: 11
      +18
      "Moscow decides which former Soviet republics are really important to it from a geostrategic point of view, and which ones can be released" to free float. "
      Nobody goes on "free" swimming.
      Even the Baltic Drosophila flies are under supervision.
      Except that supervision is carried out by other methods.
      And not only the countries of the post-Soviet space are in the sphere of geopolitical interests.
      Germany itself is also included in the zone of Russia's geopolitical interests.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 27 November 2020 15: 24
        -2
        The German author simply does not understand that the situation looks very much like the calm before the storm. hi
    3. deniso
      deniso 27 November 2020 09: 46
      +5
      Nemchura was sent a new methodology "Putin leaked", is trying, working out the theses. It's pretty funny to read this.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 27 November 2020 10: 03
        -1
        Quote: denis obuckov
        Nemchura was sent a new methodology "Putin leaked", is trying, working out the theses. It's pretty funny to read this.

        Well, why did they expel, the Germans are all stable about the Kremlin hand .. smile
    4. halpat
      halpat 27 November 2020 10: 07
      +16
      But in my opinion, nothing has changed.
      They want Russia to send troops everywhere and so on. Direct itching in one place in the collective West. But Russia does NOT regularly come to war, or rather it does, but only then and in such a way that the West can only bulge its eyes and gnash its teeth, introducing some regular sanctions, as a result of which Russia only increases its independence and power in the necessary sectors.

      They (the West) make the same mistake all the time. Over the centuries.
      Despite the objective indicators: the territory, the availability of natural resources, etc., including the historical experience of the wars against the Russians, they view Russia on their own small scale.
      Let me explain - all of Germany (EU locomotive) can be traveled by car in 4-8 hours. Along and across, as they say. There are practically no minerals. You don't need to talk about other countries.
      And they seem to see everything, they know, but they measure it all the same to their idiot. It's unrealistic to imagine the life of an elephant as an ant.

      I'll tell you a story. In Soviet times, a group of physicists went to travel across the USSR. We took with us 2 German physicists from the Federal Republic of Germany, passed a bunch of nkhhemorroi with permits.
      The highlight of the program was a steamer trip along the Yenisei Bay.
      So you still need to get there :) is an adventure in itself. On 3-4 days of sailing, the Germans were completely quiet. And here is one of them, standing in the morning on the deck with binoculars, said:
      Now I understand what a catastrophic mistake Hitler made in attacking Russia.

      So it goes:))
      Reflect further, gentlemen, Western journalists :))
  2. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 27 November 2020 09: 10
    +10
    Why would Moscow stretch out its long arms somewhere, if the well-wishers, battered by well-wishers, will crawl to Moscow !? hi
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 09: 22
      +5
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Why would Moscow stretch out its long arms somewhere, if the well-wishers, battered by well-wishers, will crawl to Moscow !?

      I am embarrassed to ask, when do you think Ukraine, for example, or Lithuania will creep into Moscow? And most importantly why?
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 27 November 2020 09: 26
        +17
        for example, or will Lithuania creep into Moscow? And most importantly why?

        Why why? The limited transit of goods from Russia through these republics severely crippled their economies ... they are scratching their turnips now and letters to the Kremlin asking not to cut them alive.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Why why? The limited transit of goods from Russia through these republics severely crippled their economies ... they are scratching their turnips now and letters to the Kremlin asking not to cut them alive.

          By the word "crawl" I, like the previous commentator, meant "return to the Russian geopolitical orbit," that is, where they have been for the last 200-300 years, probably.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 27 November 2020 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          What do you mean why?

          For the dolbak's certificate "To the stoned Russophobe" with the image of what they will receive from us in the future - so thick and wooden.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2020 09: 29
        +10
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        When do you think Ukraine, for example, or Lithuania will creep into Moscow? And most importantly why?

        2021-2022 - Ukraine (or rather its remnants) after a spurt of Westerners to the EU countries - Poland, Hungary, Romania. Lithuania may not crawl because there will be practically no population there - there will be no one to crawl
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 10: 03
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          2021-2022 - Ukraine (or rather its remnants) after a spurt of Westerners to the EU countries - Poland, Hungary, Romania.

          Please explain to me why you think so? What prerequisites do you see for this? For example, I don't see any prerequisites for this yet.
          Quote: Egoza
          Lithuania may not crawl because there will be practically no population there - there will be no one to crawl

          How is it that there is no one to crawl that there will be no people left at all?
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 27 November 2020 10: 08
          -7
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          When do you think Ukraine, for example, or Lithuania will creep into Moscow? And most importantly why?

          2021-2022 - Ukraine (or rather its remnants) after a spurt of Westerners to the EU countries - Poland, Hungary, Romania. Lithuania may not crawl because there will be practically no population there - there will be no one to crawl

          In 2014, you promised that this would happen in a year or two. 6 years have passed and again: it is about to creep up / fall apart.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 10: 34
            +9
            Quote: Normal ok
            In 2014, you promised that this would happen in a year or two. 6 years have passed and again: it is about to creep up / fall apart.

            They will "crawl" only when Russia becomes socially attractive. After all, practically all the fragments of the former Republic of Ingushetia have "crawled" into the impoverished, but actively developing Soviet Russia at the beginning of the last century. And all together they built a powerful welfare state.
          2. Dart
            Dart 27 November 2020 14: 47
            +4
            Well, they are already crawling ... or do you just ignore such things? wassat

            In his letter, Reimanis points to some kind of informal agreement that Russia will not interfere with the flow of cargo to the ports of Latvia. But that is why it is informal, so that, if necessary, one of the parties could violate it without a twinge of conscience and legal consequences. If you don't believe me, ask the Americans, who once informally promised the Soviet Union not to expand NATO to the East ...

            In the same message, Mr. Reimanis recalls the development of a new direction of freight traffic from Kaliningrad to St. Petersburg. Russia discussed this project with Latvian Railways, but ultimately refused to participate in it.

            Latvians want to clarify: is the refusal final? Or will we try?
            Former President of Latvia Valdis Zatlers considers this approach not only ineffective, but also humiliating: “A letter of supplication will not help,” he is sure. - This is the policy of Russia. Russian policy was formed not yesterday or last year, but 15 years ago. And it was clear that gradually less and less cargo would pass through Latvia, and maybe not at all. If we humiliate ourselves, we will be humiliated even more, and there will be no positive effect for the one who is weak and prays for something to be given. "
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 18: 07
              +7
              Quote: Dart
              Well, they are already crawling ... or do you just ignore such things?

              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              By the word "crawl" I, like the previous commentator, meant "return to the Russian geopolitical orbit," that is, where they have been for the last 200-300 years, probably.

              Did I miss something? Has the Baltics already returned "to the Russian geopolitical orbit"? In my opinion, no, these are the most real Russophobic states. Or am I wrong?
            2. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 29 November 2020 07: 14
              0
              Quote: Dart
              Well, they are already crawling ... or do you just ignore such things? wassat

        3. hydrox
          hydrox 27 November 2020 10: 45
          -1
          You think too well about them - and on whose back of the neck Little Russia will sit if Novorossiya becomes the Southwestern Federal District?
          She will be jealous! laughing
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2020 14: 59
      +33
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Why would Moscow stretch out its long arms somewhere, if the well-wishers, battered by well-wishers, will crawl to Moscow !?

      what for? How many foreigners - scientists, doctors, fellow citizens - eventually immigrated to Russia? And how many left?
  3. Whisper
    Whisper 27 November 2020 09: 11
    -11%
    You need to intervene when you can change something in your interests. And we can’t do anything like that. Not in Ukraine, not even in Belarus. Not even with covid treatment.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: Sheptun
      You need to intervene when you can change something in your interests. And we can’t do anything like that. Not in Ukraine, not even in Belarus. Not even with covid treatment.

      How can we not? How about expressing concern?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 27 November 2020 11: 08
        -5
        Is Russia a concern in Karabakh?
        Or is this our concern in Belarus?
        Or do you expect "concern" in Transnistria?
        Or are you sure that in the Gulf of PV the shells did not lie across the course of McCain (otherwise why would he run so fast)?
        You would tie up what is dangling uncontrollably ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 11: 26
          +7
          Quote: hydrox
          Is Russia a concern in Karabakh?

          Do you want to tell me about Russia's "victory" in the Transcaucasus? Where else are you going to launch the Turks?
          Quote: hydrox
          Or is this our concern in Belarus?

          What has Russia done in Belarus? Financed Baborika through Gazprom? "Wagner's", then at least released?
          Quote: hydrox
          Or are you sure that in the Gulf of PV the shells did not lie across the course of McCain (otherwise why would he run so fast)?

          If Russia were as powerful as the USSR, he would not have appeared there.
          Quote: hydrox
          Or do you expect "concern" in Transnistria?

          I expect the same mess as in the LPNR.
          Quote: hydrox
          You would tie up what is dangling uncontrollably ...

          Watch your "uncontrollably dangling organ". Name me the undisputed Russian "foreign policy victories" over the past 30 years. Personally, I only see that Russia is gradually losing its positions even in the post-Soviet space. And sadly, it is slipping into the category of third-rate powers.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 27 November 2020 12: 18
            -5
            Well, yes, I have not enlightened liberoids yet - but your turn will come - not the entire circumpolar zone has been cut down and not all autobahns have been dumped!
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 12: 30
              +3
              Quote: hydrox
              Well, yes, I have not enlightened liberoids yet

              Yes Yes. "I recognize my brother Kolya," how predictable you dazdraputs are. When, in fact, there is nothing to answer in the commentary, we go to the individual?
              Quote: hydrox
              but your turn will come - not the entire circumpolar zone has been cut down and not all autobahns have been dumped!

              Here are such creatures, along with the Chubais, Potanins and other "figures" and will master the tundra. I hope this hour is just around the corner.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 27 November 2020 12: 50
                -3
                What, already hysterical? Something too early ...
                No, liberoids laughing you can't wait for our death !!
                So skedaddle you, yes skedaddle and die in the western garbage dumps!
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 27 November 2020 12: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: hydrox
                  So skedaddle you, yes skedaddle and die in the western garbage dumps!

                  Will you continue to derban the country along with the Chubais and other figures? Your wet fantasies are far from reality.
                  Quote: hydrox
                  No, liberoids, laughing can't wait!

                  Was it not your "sun-faced deity" who spoke of himself as a liberal?
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 27 November 2020 21: 08
                    -4
                    Yes, we are all not without sin, but we consider it necessary to atone for our sins, and correct our mistakes :: and liberoids tend to use their sins in their criminal interests.
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 27 November 2020 15: 05
                  +34
                  Quote: hydrox
                  you can't wait for our death !!

                  what to expect, the country is already dying out. Are you overly prolific? And then, you are not the whole country and not even a large part of it, you should not sign for everyone
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 27 November 2020 20: 45
                    -4
                    No, it's just that you, liberoids, have multiplied too much in 30 years, therefore, Russia already does not have enough funds for you, you have to think about HOW you are long-armed to thin out.
                    We have already driven along the Pr-vu - already the people are happy, now you have to walk through the transnational trading houses - you look, and prices will go down (but this is only if you, long-armed liber thieves, will chop off your hands laughing .
                3. Peter rybak
                  Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: hydrox
                  What, already hysterical? Something too early ...
                  No, liberoids laughing you can't wait for our death !!
                  So skedaddle you, yes skedaddle and die in the western garbage dumps!

                  Shut up already!
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 27 November 2020 19: 06
            -4
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And sadly, it is slipping into the category of third-rate powers.

            Do not get too excited, otherwise you can get an apoplectic stroke inadvertently laughing
            A nuclear superpower, the only one in the world capable of destroying the United States (even in a retaliatory strike!), Occupying the 6th place in terms of GDP, cannot be tertiary ... You ... got very excited: blurted out without thinking. It happens.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 27 November 2020 19: 37
              +6
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              blurted out without thinking. It happens.

              Rather, you get excited in a hurray patriotic frenzy .. The presence of nuclear weapons has nothing to do with it, the USSR had nuclear weapons and what, where is the USSR? This is not an argument ..
              ranked 6th in terms of GDP, to be ranked third.

              Once again, what's the use of what place we occupy in terms of GDP? The USSR was the second economy in the world .. You are looking at the level of people's income, at social justice, at the judicial system, at the political .. at social elevators .. education, medicine .. industry .. These areas are indicative .. and depend on them stability of the state.
            2. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 31
              -1
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              And sadly, it is slipping into the category of third-rate powers.

              Do not get too excited, otherwise you can get an apoplectic stroke inadvertently laughing
              A nuclear superpower, the only one in the world capable of destroying the United States (even in a retaliatory strike!), Occupying the 6th place in terms of GDP, cannot be tertiary ... You ... got very excited: blurted out without thinking. It happens.

              Can. By the standard of living of the population. All you need to do is shoot someone, play with your biceps. All of us have long been ... men for these biceps. The whole world is on this us ... army. We are for them a third-rate power with a third-rate people. Because they are slaves. Because they are uncomplaining, like lambs.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 27 November 2020 15: 01
          +32
          Quote: hydrox
          in the Gulf of PV, the shells did not lay across McCain's course (otherwise why would he run so fast)?

          are you sure? The Union did not allow this on the Black Sea, and the capabilities of the Union and Russia are incomparable
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 27 November 2020 20: 52
            -2
            You say correctly: when Russia is governed by liberoids, its disintegration is inevitable (though your crops are already being planted, but so far it hasn’t come to machine guns) - it means that GDP must hurry up with your plantings and issue yes
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 November 2020 21: 14
              +4
              Quote: hydrox
              GDP needs to hurry up with your landings and delivery to the expense

              is your memory good?
              This is Peskov

              And this is the country's main liberal about himself
              1. Dangerous
                Dangerous 29 November 2020 11: 04
                0
                In how, and your opponent immediately merged)) they only face facts, otherwise they will troll with memorized phrases
              2. hydrox
                hydrox 1 December 2020 08: 10
                0
                I have no reason to trust some little people who have their OWN interest from GDP and who have taken their families over the hill.
                You, of course, will not have the courage to publicly admit that these little people violate federal law.
                So be consistent, please, otherwise every schoolboy will have the right to ask you for links to each of your sneezes.
            2. Peter rybak
              Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 42
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              You say correctly: when Russia is governed by liberoids, its disintegration is inevitable (though your crops are already being planted, but so far it hasn’t come to machine guns) - it means that GDP must hurry up with your plantings and issue yes

              How to rid the country of such hydroxes? These schnicks are destroying the country. They support everything and everyone. The country is steadily rolling down, and these freaks are shouting "Hurray!"
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 1 December 2020 08: 24
                +1
                At least for a penny, but I heard the truth from you :: indeed, the country is rolling ... but the question is: which liberal svch SO rules the country that it is rolling THERE (I do not mean the GDP, since it has neither education nor proper practitioner) to manage such a large economy run by liber thieves: the rate of liberation of the country from liber thieves is significantly less than the rate of decline in the GDP rating.
                And indeed, you have nothing to do in this country - if we don't cut the liberd out, then the country will be SOLD to the West and our fate will be unenviable, but if the people win, then in this case I already do not envy you, the liberdians, because your fate is only to wash toilets in the western world.
  4. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 27 November 2020 09: 25
    +22
    Moscow's long arm is no longer in a hurry to grab someone

    And Washington's long arm continues to creep into all the cracks.
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 November 2020 09: 31
    0
    Everyone is so smart.
    Everyone knows everything.
    What's on anyone's mind, who's up to what ...
    Funny.
    Reality is sometimes so unexpected that it cannot be said in a fairy tale or described with a pen.
    Maybe everything is much simpler, or maybe, on the contrary, a new HPP.
    But you have to write something, earn money for bread, so they pick their nose and fingers ...
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 27 November 2020 09: 37
      +2
      Maybe everything is much simpler, or maybe, on the contrary, a new HPP.
      ..Which will later enter the PSS HPP. smile
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2020 09: 39
    +8
    The Kremlin prefers to influence processes from the outside with minimum expenditure of manpower and resources
    Is that bad? With a minimum expenditure of manpower and resources, in the end, achieve your goal is a very good tactic.
    It's funny. Some commentators who previously criticized the Russian leadership for, in their opinion, the imperial policy in the post-Soviet space, Syria, Libya, suddenly became concerned that the post-Soviet space was lost ... You will decide on yourself - either a cross or cowards.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 27 November 2020 09: 49
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It's funny. Some commentators who previously criticized the Russian leadership for, in their opinion, the imperial policy in the post-Soviet space, Syria, Libya suddenly became concerned that the post-Soviet space was lost ... You will decide on yourself - either a cross, or cowards

      Also noticed. The government does something - it is bad, it does not - it is also bad ... Where to go? request
      1. lucul
        lucul 27 November 2020 10: 00
        +1
        Also noticed. The government does something - it is bad, it does not - it is also bad ... Where to go?

        They just groan)))
        The classics

        )))
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 27 November 2020 11: 14
        -10%
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The government does something - it is bad, it does not - it is also bad ...

        Some kind of "noticeability" you have is selective :: you managed not to notice that the production was almost half cleaned last week.
        Please take care of your eyesight, you have big problems with it. laughing
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 27 November 2020 11: 51
          +3
          Quote: hydrox
          Please take care of your eyesight, you have big problems with it.

          No, you have it - with a sense of humor. angry government is a collective image. Composition is a matter of chance.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 27 November 2020 12: 24
            -5
            In vain did you write liberoids into "chances": the principles of the formation of SUCH Pr-va have been debugged since the beginning of the 90s and only in the last year or two some progress has been outlined, closed by the collapse of last week.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 November 2020 19: 22
        -1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The government does something - it's bad, doesn't do it - it's also bad ... Where to go?

        For the presidency ... of the States!
        Democracy there ... is thrown into the trash cans! Liberals for a feast for the eyes. How!
        And everything is good, everything is according to Feng Shui! They do not even dare to yap out of emotion: the purest water is democracy !!!
        Imagine what will happen in our 21-year-old elections, and what a Sabbath they are preparing to throw for the presidential elections for 24 years - so the science fiction writers cannot even imagine in vague dreams!
        And you are worried about some kind of "government" ... Glybzha nadot, glybzha !!! (from)laughing
  7. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 09: 45
    -3
    And what is fussing about Putin - he realized his plan: he handed his neighbors several suitcases without handles, which were once called the union republics. Especially the largest and most smelly content - Ukraine. And now, intelligently hiding a mocking grin, he looks how our so-called. partners will cope with the situation, which Russian folklore reflected in the saying "it's a pity to quit and eat rotten." And in Belarus he will look at her pri- and post-Batkin behavior
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 November 2020 11: 19
      +1
      Well, let's say, the neighbors have already begun to derail Ukraine (Orban) - well, the trouble is the beginning!
      But the sworn partners will definitely have a headache, since in the treasury of Ukraine, in the literal sense, there is NOT a CENT or UAH.
      I do not presume to judge whether this is good or bad, but this is a LEGAL result of Slavic betrayal. yes
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 27 November 2020 15: 09
        +34
        Quote: hydrox
        But the sworn partners will definitely have a headache, since in the treasury of Ukraine, in the literal sense, there is NOT a CENT or UAH.

        and what is the connection? The sheriff is not interested in the problems of the Indians. America has built its base near Nikolaev, now it is building on Azov, it uses airfields. They want a base near Kharkov, or Sumy. What will you oppose besides screaming?
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 27 November 2020 21: 12
          +1
          Not at all!
          A dozen Iskanders easily solve this problem.
          We are waiting for Biden to give you the command to take Donbass - and hello, fucks to the state of Ukraine !!! laughing laughing good
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar 28 November 2020 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Not at all!
            A dozen Iskanders easily solve this problem.
            We are waiting for Biden to give you the command to take Donbass - and hello, fucks to the state of Ukraine !!! laughing laughing good

            Clear. You will begin the third world war.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 30 November 2020 20: 10
              0
              What for?
              You will start it, let alone end the war and Ukraine as a state. laughing
        2. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 25
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          What will you oppose besides screaming?

          Did you also notice that there are biased cheers for patriots and one continuous cry?
          And how hypocritical was the phrase about Slavic betrayal?
  8. deniso
    deniso 27 November 2020 09: 47
    -2
    Author. Putin does not let anything take its course in the post-Soviet space. Putin punished Armenia with the hands of Turks and Azeris and got a military base. Earlier, Putin, with the hands of Erdogan, punished the intractable Kurds in the Syrian mountain Afrin using the same scheme. By the way, the operation of the Turks in Karabakh is like a tracing paper for their operation in mountain Afrin. Turkey and Azerbaijan would never have launched such a large-scale war against Armenia without agreeing with Putin that Russia would step aside
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 November 2020 11: 24
      -1
      Most likely, they were simply given 4-5 weeks: "What you can take from what you owe is yours, the rest will remain Karabakh."
      In other words, the ending of the Azeri-Armenian war becomes completely incomprehensible.
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 November 2020 12: 01
        0
        Azerbaijan and Armenia are the Middle East. In the Middle East, everything just begins and never ends.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 27 November 2020 12: 28
          0
          This is a dark question, otherwise HOW do you explain that a hefty piece of Armenia in the 20s of the 20th century quietly sailed to Turkey and remained there?
          But not a single Armenian blathers about this loss.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 November 2020 19: 31
          0
          Quote: iouris
          Azerbaijan and Armenia are the Middle East.

          Actually, this is the South Caucasus ... Geographically and in terms of concepts, too! am
          1. Peter rybak
            Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 20
            0
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: iouris
            Azerbaijan and Armenia are the Middle East.

            Actually, this is the South Caucasus ... Geographically and in terms of concepts, too! am

            Actually, this is the Transcaucasia. By the same principles.
      2. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 22
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        Most likely, they were simply given 4-5 weeks: "What you can take from what you owe is yours, the rest will remain Karabakh."
        In other words, the ending of the Azeri-Armenian war becomes completely incomprehensible.

        And there is no "finished" (forgive me, Lord!). Zakanchalovo will be when the peacekeepers are asked to leave. Azerbaijan has regained its land, although not yet.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 30 November 2020 20: 12
          0
          Will the skakuas ask for it? laughing
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2020 15: 12
      +32
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Putin punished Armenia with the hands of Turks and Azeris and got a military base.

      and before the bases were not there?
      Were there any Turks in the Caucasus? before?
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Turkey and Azerbaijan would never have launched such a large-scale war against Armenia without agreeing with Putin that Russia would step aside

      of course, in exchange for Syria and Libya. Only Syria and Libya are far away, and the Caucasus is near. Equally agreed?
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 17
        -1
        Quote: Overlock

        and before the bases were not there?
        Were there any Turks in the Caucasus? before?

        Before, this is when? In Soviet times? Did not have. Because all this was one country - the USSR. And after its collapse, the base in Gabala (Azerbaijan) was asked to leave and she left. And the base in Gyumri lives for itself, however, not without annual excesses.
        And the Turks have always been in the Caucasus. And in Azerbaijan there were pan-Turkist movements in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, which Russia suppressed in those days. But, as you can see, everything is returning to normal. The motto "two states - one people" has existed for more than one and a half hundred years. Then there was less strength to compete with Russia. And tapericha times have changed a little. In the event of any conflict, the world will never support Russia, because we hate everyone and everyone hates us.
        Quote: denis obuckov
        Turkey and Azerbaijan would never have launched such a large-scale war against Armenia without agreeing with Putin that Russia would step aside

        of course, in exchange for Syria and Libya. Only Syria and Libya are far away, and the Caucasus is near. Equally agreed?

        No one negotiated anything with anyone. Russia knew about the coming war, but did not realize its scale, hoping that this was another outbreak that would once again fade away in the same outlines of borders.
        But when the Russian air defense systems transferred to Armenia were crushed like bedbugs and the war of liberation reached the end, Russia intervened so as not to lose face. And this base is for saving face. God forbid, if 200 cargoes arrive from the Caucasus. The authority of our current government is so low that it will be taken out.
    3. Gaiful
      Gaiful 28 November 2020 14: 33
      0
      True, Russian capital is not interested there, and it stepped aside, writing to the native cattle that it was Russia that moved aside.
  9. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 November 2020 12: 36
    +2
    This ulrich ram is stupid. Who won the most in Karabakh? Russia. How did the shit protests in Belarus end? Zilch into a puddle. Etc.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 06
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      This ulrich ram is stupid. Who won the most in Karabakh? Russia. How did the shit protests in Belarus end? Zilch into a puddle. Etc.

      Answer reasonably: what has Russia won in the Caucasus? How long will the protests be in a mess? Etc. etc.
      And if you consider tens of thousands of Belarusians who took to the streets to be shit, sniff yourself.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 29 November 2020 11: 35
        0
        And I will consider the majority of the population of planet Earth to be a manageable herd who do not know how to think critically. After all, this is in fact the case.
        Nedomaidan in Belarus with pro-fascist flags and a crowd of zmagars ended in nothing.

        And Russia in the Transcaucasus received a whole region under its control. Military bases. Whose troops are there, he rules.

        To understand the theses listed above, you just need to have critical thinking. Well, at worst, just use your brain laughing
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 November 2020 14: 01
    -4
    It is very simple: "for one beaten two unbeaten give, and even those do not take." Putin always follows this rule and is reluctant to change the penalty. laughing Taperich to feed and milk them will be the lot of Germany. laughing Brothers won't give Taperich a ride.
  11. Antokha
    Antokha 27 November 2020 16: 40
    0
    The German author has difficulty thinking. Moscow looks at what it needs and what it doesn't. Putin has done this before. Russia needed Crimea, and they took it. And in the current conditions they would have taken it if it were repeated now. And the war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis is really of little interest to us. Donbass is not really needed, things are going on there. So is Georgia. We did not establish a puppet regime there, although many wanted to. We don't do that. There is no task, no experience. Therefore, they did not take Tbilisi. But Abkhazians with Ossetians can maintain their independence with minimal support from Russia. Excellent. Belarus is our land, here the author missed completely. But if all Belarusians want the Maidan, Russia will allow it. For the time being. Then it will be like in the Crimea. All these situations must mature. Putin does not pick unripe fruits.
    1. Gaiful
      Gaiful 28 November 2020 14: 29
      +2
      Quite right, the Donbass and Georgia are not interesting for Russian capital.
    2. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 04
      -2
      Quote: Anton
      The German author has difficulty thinking. Moscow looks at what it needs and what it doesn't. Putin has done this before. Russia needed Crimea, and they took it. And in the current conditions they would have taken it if it were repeated now. And the war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis is really of little interest to us. Donbass is not really needed, things are going on there. So is Georgia. We did not establish a puppet regime there, although many wanted to. We don't do that. There is no task, no experience. Therefore, they did not take Tbilisi. But Abkhazians with Ossetians can maintain their independence with minimal support from Russia. Excellent. Belarus is our land, here the author missed completely. But if all Belarusians want the Maidan, Russia will allow it. For the time being. Then it will be like in the Crimea. All these situations must mature. Putin does not pick unripe fruits.

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      Hurray for couch heroes !!! We will defeat everyone !!! Urrrrra !!! We are all the stronger !!! Urrrrra !!!
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  12. faterdom
    faterdom 27 November 2020 21: 14
    +1
    Some inadequate conclusions. In Georgia, Saakashvili's warriors allowed themselves to kill Russian peacekeepers, and they received an answer that was quite adequate, although perhaps not even in full measure.
    In Ukraine, they started to kill the Russian-speaking population - the result: boilers.
    But in Belarus, or Karabakh ... well, not similar cases, anyway, or even more so the 28th revolution in Kyrgyzstan, the Maya in Moldova - to one degree or another concern us, of course, but they do not require our military response ...
    Or what do they think to themselves in Germany? That since we in Karabakh did not climb to fight for anyone or against anyone, then specifically Germany will not get hit on the head by taking part in military actions against us? They shouldn't have doubted, there will be no more mistakes, and for the third time in a hundred years the decision will be unequivocal: we will not leave any such germaniums for ourselves, this does not meet our strategic interests.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 06: 00
      -2
      Quote: faterdom
      Some inadequate conclusions. In Georgia, Saakashvili's warriors allowed themselves to kill Russian peacekeepers, and they received an answer that was quite adequate, although perhaps not even in full measure.
      In Ukraine, they started to kill the Russian-speaking population - the result: boilers.
      But in Belarus, or Karabakh ... well, not similar cases, anyway, or even more so the 28th revolution in Kyrgyzstan, the Maya in Moldova - to one degree or another concern us, of course, but they do not require our military response ...
      Or what do they think to themselves in Germany? That since we in Karabakh did not go to fight for anyone and against anyone, then specifically Germany will not get hit on the head by taking part in military actions against us?

      Nonsense. First, Saakashvili is written with a capital letter. What were the Russian peacekeepers doing in a foreign country? Who got in to kill the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine? And if they did, then for what reason? Because of the squeezing out of Crimea?
      And what about Belarus? Are we getting another nation to hate us?
      How were you going to fight in Karabakh? Against who? Against Turkey, Azerbaijan and Pakistan, which, for a minute, also has nuclear weapons? And with all these countries Russia has economic ties and are not weak enough.
      Quote: faterdom
      They shouldn't have doubted, there will be no more mistakes, and for the third time in a hundred years the decision will be unambiguous: we will not leave any such germaniums behind us, this does not meet our strategic interests.

      Who do you think you are that you threaten the world?
  13. oracul
    oracul 28 November 2020 08: 24
    0
    And this is the right approach. We do not need freeloaders, but good neighbors, ready to work together on common tasks.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 05: 53
      0
      Quote: oracul
      And this is the right approach. We do not need freeloaders, but good neighbors, ready to work together on common tasks.

      Have we left behind good neighbors? What's their name, so that you know for the future? Well, at least a couple of names.
  14. Al Asad
    Al Asad 28 November 2020 10: 06
    0
    Something I doubt that 2000 peacekeepers will be fed, fed, and provided with everything necessary for 5 years by the EU or the UN.
    Russia is, as you know, a generous soul
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 05: 51
      -1
      Quote: Al Asad
      Something I doubt that 2000 peacekeepers will be fed, fed, and provided with everything necessary for 5 years by the EU or the UN.
      Russia is, as you know, a generous soul

      And neither the EU nor the UN should do this. This mission is a purely Russian idea. Yes, if there is a small shock in the country, say, a struggle for power, then these guys in the Caucasus will be left to fend for themselves, as was the case in the early 90s, when "ensigns" sold weapons from warehouses to local residents, and with the proceeds families with all their belongings were taken to their homeland, where no one expected them or their families, and the country did not show much joy in their return.
  15. Gaiful
    Gaiful 28 November 2020 14: 27
    -1
    It is true that after 1991 Moscow had only dead, degraded little arms instead of long arms. Therefore, from now on, she can only threaten the Swedes and then with numerous apologies!
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 28 November 2020 16: 41
    0
    Anecdote:
    Templin. The young lady shrinks in bed. The sir creeps in through the window ... "Czy to Ty jesteś słodki?"
    Angela, how many times have I told you: "Ich bin Sergeant Putin!" ... Volodya! Stop doing that...
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 November 2020 16: 42
    0
    The other day I was listening to a Moldovan political scientist (poor fellow, absolutely unclaimed character, who is remembered for a week once every couple of years). And he said that with the beginning of the presidency of Maya Sandu, "Russian-Moldovan relations will cool down."
    At this point, I already started to giggle. But then the journalist who interviewed this political scientist asked “What can she do?”, Which brought the Moldovan political scientist into a final stupor. When the politician has nothing to answer, he thanks him for the good question. They are taught this to take time to think about the answer and at the same time use the pause to try to translate the topic. Well, what can cool the President of Moldova (I'm already silent about the fact that this is a parliamentary republic, where the president has almost no powers)? laughing In one Far Eastern region of Russia, there are almost three Moldavia in terms of population and thirty Moldavia in terms of area.
    The whale-sprat relationship can chill! Sprat may be offended! Are you completely inadequate there? It is high time for Tajikistan to become a part of the Federation and not to mock its citizens, who en masse go to Russia to work and are forced to suffer with all kinds of registrations and patents. All of them are not capable of either conducting an independent foreign policy or building a self-sufficient economy, nor to provide its citizens with a decent standard of living without other people's loans (which they are not able to give). laughing Remember, in one of the episodes of "Tom and Jerry" the mouse got drunk on dope and rocked the right half of the episode? And then the doping was over. And everything returned to the natural state of things.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 29 November 2020 05: 46
      -1
      Gennady Fomkin
      It is high time for Tajikistan to become a part of the Federation and not to scoff at its citizens, who massively travel to Russia to earn money and are forced to suffer with all kinds of registrations and patents. All of them are unable to conduct an independent foreign policy, or build a self-sufficient economy, or provide their citizens with a decent standard of living without other people's loans (which they are unable to repay).

      What part of your body were you thinking when you wrote this? A hundred kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road, gray Russian everyday life begins, people are on the verge, they barely have enough money from their salary for a week. What Tajiks are you going to feed? Or do you invite slaves to the land to hump for you?
      Are we able to conduct foreign policy? Are we able to build a self-sustaining economy? Are we able to provide our citizens with a decent standard of living?
      Indeed, they say that Russia has two troubles. I don’t want to talk about the roads. And the second trouble I see in batches on this site.
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 November 2020 16: 58
    0
    And, of course, I cannot ignore our "bakhatovektarnago". He had hardly survived the attempt of the Maidan by the EU and Poland, supported by Ukraine and the Baltic states, as he sang songs about his "pro-Ukrainian" and "multi-vector" nature. And that he can become one-vector if he is offered a lot. He is fundamentally unteachable on a campaign.
    Almost instantly, he received an answer from the EU: new sanctions are being introduced against Belarus. Where are you going to direct your vectors, sick? Nobody but Russia recognizes you! In the EU, you are only needed as FOOD. On a large platter, with apples in the mouth and in the tail. laughingAnd the standard of living in a large part of the world will drop significantly. Therefore, attempts to continue to play in "independence" on the part of the ruling regimes in the limitrophes will only further lead to impoverishment and the extinction of the local population.

    The world is changing again (it has such a property), and this time it is changing in favor of Russia. And whoever is not with Russia is spiteful to himself. ..... Alexander Rogers. And from myself: Oh, to take them into the Russian Federation for "spasib" and drag them on themselves again nefig - the Russian occupation must be earned: by a deed, two or three generations. We will not give any more money. laughing
  19. Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 29 November 2020 05: 39
    -1
    This is very easy to explain. Using MMA as an example.
    Fighter Kharitonov went to the world with fighter Yandiev, who kicked him in the butt. Literally.
    And the deputy-fighter Lebedev said that Kharitonov had no choice, because some people asked him.
    To put it simply, Kharitonov got cold feet.
    After the war in the Caucasus, Russia realized that things were not so simple. Her C300 and C400 scare only the faint of heart. She has no friends left in the world, she found new enemies because of her aggression against previously friendly peoples, her own Slavs. The era of a new "Iron Curtain" is coming. And if under Gorbachev the world allowed us to lift this curtain, then under Putin and his successors this may not happen. And then the people will take up the pitchfork. Import substitution will no longer work in a country with an almost ruined economy, with agriculture crammed into a far corner, and small business completely killed.
    You won't scare anyone with nuclear toys. And this suddenly appeared coalition of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, it turns out, also has nuclear weapons. The creation of this coalition was not done well.
    You can, of course, bang your fist loudly on the table. But then the wave of this blow will blow away the Russian children-soldiers, and the next persecution of Russians from their native habitats will begin. Cargoes of 200 will go along the same road back to their homeland. Because we have never won any war, where we were the attacker, the aggressor.
    Russia is a state whose history is an almost endless series of numerous wars, armed conflicts, violent confrontations and special operations.
    Only a very naive person, looking at the map of the world and finding Russia on it, might think that all these vast territories were annexed to our country peacefully ...
    ... Official propaganda asserts that the neighboring states were not captured, but voluntarily joined, amicably rejoicing at the liberation from the tyranny of some other aggressors and thanks to the Russian troops. Believe it or not - each person decides for himself. But as historians have calculated, from the middle of the 75th century to the present day, Russia has participated in more than 1547 wars and armed conflicts. As a result, the Moscow kingdom, average by European standards, turned into the largest empire in the world, spreading its influence from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean. If in 3 the total area of ​​our country was 1914 million km21,8, then in 1913 it reached XNUMX million kmXNUMX. Residents of Russia remembered XNUMX because it was peaceful. For almost the rest of the time, the country fought without ceasing, sometimes leading several campaigns at once in different parts of the world. The seizure of the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, the annexation of lands occupied by representatives of the Finno-Ugric peoples of the Volga region, expansion beyond the Urals, the conquest of Siberia, the Far East, Kamchatka, Central Asia ... One might think, believing in official propaganda, that all these lands were inhabited by small groups of kind aborigines who did not know statehood. Supposedly they were all happy to start paying taxes to the Russian crown. Meanwhile, even the peoples of the Arctic tried to defend their independence, although few people know about the Russian-Chukchi wars of the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries. Of course, someone can say that it was the Chukchi who attacked the Russians who came to settle peacefully near the Anadyr River ...
    ... Our country began:
    1. Livonian War (1558-1583);
    2. Russian-Swedish war (1590-1595);
    3. Persian campaign (1722-1723);
    4. Caucasian War (1817-1884);
    5. Khiva campaign (1839-1840);
    6. Crimean War (1853-1856);
    7. Russian-Turkish war (1877-1878);
    8. Turkestan campaigns (1853-1881);
    9. Soviet-Finnish war (1939-1940) According to the most disloyal expert estimates for our country, Russia unleashed 53 armed conflicts. And for the most loyal - only 9. These can be added to the war in Afghanistan (1979-1989), but for the intervention of our troops in this Asian state there was a formal reason - an invitation to the legitimate government with a request to help restore the constitutional order.

    By the way, those whom we have defeated now live better than us.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 29 November 2020 11: 20
      0
      Yes, it was full of wars
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  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 29 November 2020 06: 40
    0
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    Gennady Fomkin
    It is high time for Tajikistan to become a part of the Federation and not to scoff at its citizens, who massively travel to Russia to earn money and are forced to suffer with all kinds of registrations and patents. All of them are unable to conduct an independent foreign policy, or build a self-sufficient economy, or provide their citizens with a decent standard of living without other people's loans (which they are unable to repay).

    What part of your body were you thinking when you wrote this? A hundred kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road, gray Russian everyday life begins, people are on the verge, they barely have enough money from their salary for a week. What Tajiks are you going to feed? Or do you invite slaves to the land to hump for you?
    Are we able to conduct foreign policy? Are we able to build a self-sustaining economy? Are we able to provide our citizens with a decent standard of living?
    Indeed, they say that Russia has two troubles. I don’t want to talk about the roads. And the second trouble I see in batches on this site.

    I offered you article A Rogers all the claims against him laughing And from myself: Oh, to take them into the Russian Federation for "spasib" and drag them on themselves again nefig - the Russian occupation must be earned: by a deed, two or three generations. We will not give any more money. laughing nice man laughing
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 29 November 2020 06: 44
    0
    Quote: Al Asad
    Something I doubt that 2000 peacekeepers will be fed, fed, and provided with everything necessary for 5 years by the EU or the UN.
    Russia is, as you know, a generous soul

    They will be more obliged, you need to read the documents when you sign laughing
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 29 November 2020 06: 49
    0
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    Quote: Anton
    The German author has difficulty thinking. Moscow looks at what it needs and what it doesn't. Putin has done this before. Russia needed Crimea, and they took it. And in the current conditions they would have taken it if it were repeated now. And the war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis is really of little interest to us. Donbass is not really needed, things are going on there. So is Georgia. We did not establish a puppet regime there, although many wanted to. We don't do that. There is no task, no experience. Therefore, they did not take Tbilisi. But Abkhazians with Ossetians can maintain their independence with minimal support from Russia. Excellent. Belarus is our land, here the author missed completely. But if all Belarusians want the Maidan, Russia will allow it. For the time being. Then it will be like in the Crimea. All these situations must mature. Putin does not pick unripe fruits.

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    Hurray for couch heroes !!! We will defeat everyone !!! Urrrrra !!! We are all the stronger !!! Urrrrra !!!
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    Liberal face
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    This is very easy to explain. Using MMA as an example.
    Fighter Kharitonov went to the world with fighter Yandiev, who kicked him in the butt. Literally.
    And the deputy-fighter Lebedev said that Kharitonov had no choice, because some people asked him.
    To put it simply, Kharitonov got cold feet.
    After the war in the Caucasus, Russia realized that things were not so simple. Her C300 and C400 scare only the faint of heart. She has no friends left in the world, she found new enemies because of her aggression against previously friendly peoples, her own Slavs. The era of a new "Iron Curtain" is coming. And if under Gorbachev the world allowed us to lift this curtain, then under Putin and his successors this may not happen. And then the people will take up the pitchfork. Import substitution will no longer work in a country with an almost ruined economy, with agriculture crammed into a far corner, and small business completely killed.
    You won't scare anyone with nuclear toys. And this suddenly appeared coalition of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, it turns out, also has nuclear weapons. The creation of this coalition was not done well.
    You can, of course, bang your fist loudly on the table. But then the wave of this blow will blow away the Russian children-soldiers, and the next persecution of Russians from their native habitats will begin. Cargoes of 200 will go along the same road back to their homeland. Because we have never won any war, where we were the attacker, the aggressor.
    Russia is a state whose history is an almost endless series of numerous wars, armed conflicts, violent confrontations and special operations.
    Only a very naive person, looking at the map of the world and finding Russia on it, might think that all these vast territories were annexed to our country peacefully ...
    ... Official propaganda asserts that the neighboring states were not captured, but voluntarily joined, amicably rejoicing at the liberation from the tyranny of some other aggressors and thanks to the Russian troops. Believe it or not - each person decides for himself. But as historians have calculated, from the middle of the 75th century to the present day, Russia has participated in more than 1547 wars and armed conflicts. As a result, the Moscow kingdom, average by European standards, turned into the largest empire in the world, spreading its influence from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean. If in 3 the total area of ​​our country was 1914 million km21,8, then in 1913 it reached XNUMX million kmXNUMX. Residents of Russia remembered XNUMX because it was peaceful. For almost the rest of the time, the country fought without ceasing, sometimes leading several campaigns at once in different parts of the world. The seizure of the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, the annexation of lands occupied by representatives of the Finno-Ugric peoples of the Volga region, expansion beyond the Urals, the conquest of Siberia, the Far East, Kamchatka, Central Asia ... One might think, believing in official propaganda, that all these lands were inhabited by small groups of kind aborigines who did not know statehood. Supposedly they were all happy to start paying taxes to the Russian crown. Meanwhile, even the peoples of the Arctic tried to defend their independence, although few people know about the Russian-Chukchi wars of the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries. Of course, someone can say that it was the Chukchi who attacked the Russians who came to settle peacefully near the Anadyr River ...
    ... Our country began:
    1. Livonian War (1558-1583);
    2. Russian-Swedish war (1590-1595);
    3. Persian campaign (1722-1723);
    4. Caucasian War (1817-1884);
    5. Khiva campaign (1839-1840);
    6. Crimean War (1853-1856);
    7. Russian-Turkish war (1877-1878);
    8. Turkestan campaigns (1853-1881);
    9. Soviet-Finnish war (1939-1940) According to the most disloyal expert estimates for our country, Russia unleashed 53 armed conflicts. And for the most loyal - only 9. These can be added to the war in Afghanistan (1979-1989), but for the intervention of our troops in this Asian state there was a formal reason - an invitation to the legitimate government with a request to help restore the constitutional order.

    By the way, those whom we have defeated now live better than us.

    So who lives there better on the shelves? laughing If this topic has already been raised, why should the Swedish crown not pay the Russian Federation the money that Tsar Peter paid for the Baltic states for failure to fulfill its obligations. laughing
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 29 November 2020 22: 06
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    Quote: Peter Rybak
    Who do you think you are

    And I'm not "You" for you.
    To start.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 29 November 2020 22: 12
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    Quote: Peter Rybak
    Saakashvili is written with a capital letter

    No, it is not written. For me at least.
    Excuse me at this point, Batu is being written, Napoleon is being written, even Hitler and Goebbels are being written (large-scale, after all, scoundrels). And Saakashvili - well, does not pull ... Neither as a person nor as a historical character.
    Judas is not necessarily the same with a capital letter - often with a small one.
  26. Sertorius
    Sertorius 1 December 2020 07: 06
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    The trouble is with the article. Behind a touch of refined expert pathos, the coveted is clearly visible: "Yes! The sanctions are working! Russia is being cautious - it is about to completely abandon" aggressive intervention "!
    This German lives with today's news. Speaking about the experience of Georgia, Syria, he point-blank does not see that Russia's international policy has remained unchanged for the second decade: do not do what the "partners" are pushing us to, and if we make a move, then it does not leave room for maneuver for the enemy. Ossetia, Crimea, now Karabakh - as a result, the West has only to bark and impose sanctions (which also hammer their economies). soldier