"An impressive place to work": the loader of the German "Leopard" spoke about the service on the tank

Manual loading of the cannon is traditionally the basis for criticism of the German tank "Leopard". As many believe, the lack of automatic delivery of the projectile to the gun negatively affects the rate of fire, not to mention the difficulties that the crew faces. However, Bundeswehr corporal Britta Frey (Fry), serving on the German MBT as a loader, is pleased with her service. She told reporters about her.

Her duties include not only loading the Leopard 2A6 gun, but also working with a 7,62 mm machine gun, if necessary, with an anti-aircraft gun. She is also responsible for radio equipment.

In principle, any crew member can become a loader. However, you should be able to equip the 23mm smoothbore cannon with 120 kg rounds.

- says the 24-year-old girl, explaining that she copes with her duties.

I like being in a battle tank for at least two weeks when there are intense classes.

Britta, the daughter of an officer, chose the military because she "wanted to do a job that was challenging not only mentally but also physically."

In my opinion, the Bundeswehr was the best choice. It is never boring because no two days are alike. In addition, you interact with people a lot, get to know a variety of characters and soon appreciate them as companions.

- explains the corporal.

She began serving at headquarters, but became disillusioned with her and transferred to the armored forces.

For me, a battle tank is an impressive place to work, impressive and unique with all its capabilities.

- says the girl.

She intends to follow in her father's footsteps and has already applied for a transfer to an officer's courses. But before starting her studies, she will have to take part in the Baltic mission. This suggests that the German Defense Ministry actually defines maneuvers and firing at the Baltic range as military practice.

What I like about the [military] operation in Lithuania is its multinationality and the ability to work with soldiers from other countries. I am looking forward to the planned large-scale exercises

- Britta concludes her interview.

Comments

[Avior]

It looks impressive.
Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

[Yaro Polk]

Rambo III, seen enough in childhood))

[Temples]

A guy with boobs.
Or a man without a Faberge.

There is no woman in the photo.
This is a fact.

The Williams brothers played tennis for the Americans. They also mowed down women.

[Yaro Polk]

Well, if IT positions itself as a woman, you can write about this gender in a woman's kind ... not in LOM)

[Alexander Vorontsov]

I liked this more.

"I wanted to do work that was challenging not only mentally but physically."

Those. there is also an intellectual challenge))) throwing shells ..

[Simargl]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

there is also an intellectual challenge

Agonizing choice: which one is next (of the same)?

[Alexander Vorontsov]

Ага.
Still this

I like being in a battle tank for at least two weeks when there are intense classes.

Yes, it is clear why she likes being in the tank. With such a face ...
With her there are 3 men locked up)))) She also controls the output)))
If someone decides to leave the car, he will have to ... squeeze.

[alesi13]

A monster of a terrible kind, grabbed the unfortunate child

[Victor Tsenin]

Here, yes, the question is to squeeze between what) Three Fritz between Britta ...

[bessmertniy]

This is their fashion - face in the dirt.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I wiped off the sweat. When we got out of the tanks and were not like that)))
Although, most likely, for the entourage - what would the photo be spectacular.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Avior

Why is her face smeared, I wonder

So that it was not visible that this is actually a man.

[mitroha]

Quote: Avior

It looks impressive.
Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

She wants to become a black man in order to get ALL nishtyaks in general. Feminist Lesbian Ebony voen- same European dream <sarcasm>

[Alf]

Quote: Mitroha

Feminist Lesbian Ebony voen- same European dream <sarcasm>

Also an invalid is obligatory.

[mitroha]

So already, over the head

[Barmal]

asthmatic, of course, but how else?

[Lech from Android.]

I am tormented by vague doubts that she is not a transformed transgender.

[oleole97]

She's probably also a fireman.

[aglet]

"Why is her face smeared, I wonder?"
so as not to seem so scary

[demchuk.ig]

Why is her face smeared, I wonder?
I got smeared on the commander's fly.

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

Hands were dirty when I wiped sweat from my face or mascara flowed ...

[Simargl]

Quote: Avior

Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

to shoot with a bullet

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

This is camouflage camouflage. In my opinion, it did not fit seriously. It was necessary like this:

[Dkuznecov]

You are not right. Such a bush by a young observer
I'll take 20 minutes.
If I watch it myself, I might miss it.
But I'll throw a mine at every fireman.

[the most important]

Quote: Avior

Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

Well, who will lead this to the bathhouse ??? Moreover, the memory under the crust remained from 1945, that you have to fall with your muzzle into the mud. she is already ready.

[astra wild2]

She was not taught to wash as a child. And Moidodyr, who: "the chief of the washbasins and the sponges" the commander "only knows Russian-speaking

[Avior]

Yes, it's a problem. However, the coronavirus is slowly teaching hands to wash
Do you know how Korney Ivanovich himself explained the appearance of Moidodyr, Fedora and Aibolit in a letter to the rector of the Institute of National Economy Khalatov?

... Am I straying from trends in my children's books. Not at all! For example, the tendency of "Moidodyr" is a passionate appeal of the little ones to cleanliness, to wash. I think that in a country where not so long ago they used to say about everyone who brushes his teeth, "hey, hey, you see, well and then!" this trend is worth everyone else. I know hundreds of cases where "Moidodyr" played the role of the People's Commissariat for Health for the little ones.

The same tendency is with Fedorin Gore. It promotes hygiene, sanitation, and respect for things, which our young culture lacks.

I will, I will be dishes
And love and respect.

The tendency of my "Limpopo" is respect for medicine and doctors, which is also not superfluous in a country of little culture.

(SS K.I. Chukovsky in 15 volumes, vol. 2, M .: Terra - Book Club / 2001)
http://www.chukfamily.ru/kornei/pro-et-contra/borba-za-skazku/ki-chukovskij-ab-xalatovu-otryvok-iz-chernovika

[Ros 56]

In peacetime, why not even serve as a loader, I think her opinion will change in the event of a war, although ..... it all depends on the character.

[Pereira]

Fine. Every self-respecting feminist should strive for this position in order to once again prove her irresistible superiority over nature.

[Cyril G ...]

+1000
A lady of severe dimensions. Such an elephant at a gallop will stop and its trunk will tear off!

[infantryman2020]

lol! remember!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Cyril G ...

+1000
A lady of severe dimensions. Such an elephant at a gallop will stop and its trunk will tear off!

Just Galya.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: cat Rusich

Just Galya.

I don’t understand something, is she just carrying a log or is she also pulling the carriage on a rope?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: cat Rusich

Just Galya.

[Lech from Android.]

over nature.

Over men ... the main goal of feminists is to prove their superiority over the male sex by any means. Hence, they have such aggressive behavior in dealing with men.

[WapentakeLokki]

... well, they proved that the MODERN (western) husband is inferior to the feminine IN EVERYTHING and what's next ... to declare him the second grade (sign at the entrance; ... for dogs and men without a female escort ENTRANCE IS PROHIBITED !!!) and make them GIVING (in agony but with a cesarean section) .. and so you can continue .. what's the point in tearing the veins ???

[Barmal]

I'm not sure that they are exactly the veins that are ready to tear ...

[2я19]

Have you smeared your face with wax?

[7,62x54]

The exercise in the Baltics is a military operation. Mmm, that's how the "combat veterans" are made

[Krasnoyarsk]

I don’t understand - why would a tanker paint his mug? Is it really for disguise? You still can't see her in the tank.

[Pereira]

He does not wash his hands before eating.

[Per se.]

This is a "make-up" for colleagues, so as not to pester ("I'm wooing Marfushenka, wooing, and everyone looks at the damned Nastka ...").

[Slon_on]

Duc, all because "well, why are you so terrible ..." (c). And further in the text of the song.

[Barmal]

the footprint from the boot of the tank commander - jumped like a feminist before him and with boots on her face, he rode - and there is no need to clap your eyes when the commander jumps into the hatch.

[Ramadan]

Yes, she just drags on all this)) This is her fetish)

[Per se.]

Britta Frey (Fry), serving on the German MBT as a loader, is pleased with her service. She told reporters about her.

This is Frau, "Freken Bock"! And we here, you know, all indulge in shells ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Avior

It looks impressive.
Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

Maskgrim obviously

[Evil 55]

And the girl is getting ready for the Eastern Front .... for three minutes of battle she will be enough, along with the tank.

[NI1]

Do you think the Germans are going to use tank wedges on our ATGMs in the old fashioned way?
And if they start fighting in a new way, like the Turks with the Azerbaijanis in Karabakh, then the girl will hold out for more than 3 minutes?

[WapentakeLokki]

.. well, if she manages to leave her Leopard before it burns down, then she will have a chance to meet real CONDO men from the Russian infantry .. only I doubt their reaction when it comes to them that this is not Fritz, but even Britta .. Well, yes, out of hunger, maybe something shines for her ... although it seems that Savchenko did not seem to be impressed by the pasans from near Donetsk, and after all, Kraina tse Europa is the same ...

[bessmertniy]

Strange fantasies of a German tanker. If she likes a soldier's international, it doesn't have to be in a tank.

[Pereira]

It's more interesting in a tank than in an elevator.

[bessmertniy]

And on the plane is more summer!

[Reviews]

Quote: bessmertniy

And on the plane is more summer!

Then, "deeper in the submarine"? :)

[113262a]

And the suit is still old! Although practical and convenient, but not NOMEX! Burns and breaks !.

[APASUS]

All this is good and healthy in peacetime. Work for girls, romance of military service. And in a war the life of the crew will depend on it and every fraction of a second matters.
Bullshit

[NI1]

Naturally nonsense! This is Europe - a hotbed of tolerance and feminism! And here, in Rossiyushka, everything is according to the original, according to the correct, right ?! ))) We have no women in the army, otherwise they are not women! And there never was. Especially in wartime. Am I right, Comrade Marshal? And female crews in tanks and planes during the Second World War it was the foolishness of the Red Army, right?

I think that the crew of any tank or the ATGM crew that received the shell will be far from indifferent to who loaded it in the tank: a woman or a man.

It seems that the commentators on Topvar are not only solid couch patriots, but also men suffering from inferiority complexes. )) Calm down, men. Women can also give a light to the brave lads. Remember the story to begin with.

[APASUS]

Quote: NI1

Naturally nonsense! This is Europe - a hotbed of tolerance and feminism!

And that you found a contradiction here. Do you like this situation?

Quote: NI1

We have no women in the army, otherwise they are not women!

There are no loaders in the tanks, are there machine guns? How many female tank crews do you know?

Quote: NI1

And there never was. Especially in wartime.

And with whom Germany is fighting now, do not tell me what is recruiting women as loaders?

Quote: NI1

And female crews in tanks and planes during the Second World War it was the foolishness of the Red Army, right?

Yes, nonsense turns out. There is a sufficient number of military professions for women and they don’t fucking install rollers for a while and pull a goose after a break, this is not a woman’s business!

Quote: NI1

It seems that the commentators on Topvar are not only solid couch patriots, but also men suffering from inferiority complexes.

Specialist, have you ever been under fire, why are you trying to prick me? When you will, then we will talk on equal terms, otherwise you let go of the snot, lover of justice

[NI1]

Equally? Oh well...

[Captain45]

Quote: APASUS

How many female tank crews do you know?

Well, as far as I know, one specially prepared for the last biathlon, and he performed out of competition, purely demonstration performances, they say, women can also ... but not always and everywhere.

[astra wild2]

"with whom Germany is fighting now" on the site saw the material that there are female tank crews in China. China, unlike Germany, has no shortage of men. I would venture to suggest that the Chinese use women to advertise the service in the PLA, as in the movie "Fanfan - Tulip" a charming fortune-teller lured simpletons into the army.
In this case, this corporal is needed: advertise: "Leopard"

[APASUS]

Quote: Astra wild2

"Fanfan - tulip" charming fortune teller lured simpletons into the army.
In this case, this corporal is needed: advertise: "Leopard"

If this is the standard of female beauty in German, then it is quite possible

[astra wild2]

Show that the woman can handle the service on the Leopard. Or to shame the "ktsilshchik"? This is probably an international concept.

[aglet]

"And female crews in tanks and planes during the Second World War, it was the foolishness of the Red Army, isn't it?"
separate crews, strictly for propaganda. a woman has no place in war, as both Germany and the United States have successfully proved

[Alf]

Quote: NI1

And female crews in tanks and planes during the Second World War it was the foolishness of the Red Army, right?

Then there was the War and there were not enough men. Remind me, with which country is the FRG at war now? Or are the men over in Germany? Left alone .... with an alternative brain layout?

[WapentakeLokki]

..and what do you think these two doves are not good for tankmen ??? ... what kind of .. such ..

[Dkuznecov]

Stop it. No one is interested in how they dispose of
people with their bodies. What is this heresy?

[Essex62]

Is this sarcasm or attitude?

[Dkuznecov]

This is my position.
In general, intimate affairs are a secret thing.
As well as beliefs. I am not against adepts
any religion until they start
frankly popularize them.

[Alf]

Quote: DKuznecov

until they start
frankly popularize them.

What is happening now in the "enlightened" West.

Quote: DKuznecov

Stop it. No one is interested in how they dispose of
people with their bodies. What is this heresy?

While one rear-wheel drive is hammering in a dark corner of the same, I do not care, I start to worry at the moment when these genetic monsters come to light and begin to make others think that everyone should do this, and who does not should not be ...

[Pessimist22]

Soon the sex change operation will be done.

[Yaro Polk]

In Soviet tanks, it seems, since the 50s, there was an "automatic charge", but in the 21st century they have some kind of archaism.
Tank "Iron Kaput" from KALAMBUR

[Baron pardus]

It remains to be seen which is better. Charger or mechanism. The mechanism does NOT provide a higher rate of fire than the loader. For example, our M1A2 usually quietly reach a rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute. It is also known that the rate of fire of 17 rounds per minute was achieved at the competitions - the entire "combat stock" was fully used. I read that some crew fired 17 shots in 47 seconds. The presence of ammunition in the BO is also not sugar, ammo behind armored doors and with blow-out panels gives the crew a CHANCE not to be turned into steam when detonating the ammo. ... Everyone has already written about the fact that projectiles of a certain length can be loaded into the automatic loader. And making an automatic loader in a tower niche is also dumb, the dimensions increase (and they also need to be booked). Well, change the caterpillar faster with four than three. So what is better. And it's easier to replace the loader than to repair the automatic loader. As for the women in the army. Damn, I've seen enough. We had women in one transport company. Well, yes, they have fulfilled the standards. But when loading and unloading trucks, they worked exactly 2 times slower than the men, of course the men had to take the rap for them. This did not add love and respect to these women. But, again - it is impossible to SAY anything - sexism, discrimination, etc. and so on. Yes, a 120 pound woman did 40 push-ups. But lugging 80-120 pound boxes for a 200 pound guy who did the same 40 push-ups will be MUCH easier. But, naturally, no one could say a word - sexism, sir. On the other hand, we had several women in the brigade - specialists in the repair of radio electronic equipment - no one had any complaints about their service. good specialists, worked great.

[Reviews]

Quote: Baron Pardus

M1A2s usually quietly reach a rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute. It is also known that the rate of fire of 17 rounds per minute was achieved at the competitions - the entire "combat stock" was fully used. I read that some crew fired 17 shots in 47 seconds.

You are not yet aware that a person gets tired and cannot constantly maintain a high pace. But this is fixable: as soon as you start lifting something heavier than a manicure file, you will immediately understand.

[Baron pardus]

I am not a tanker, I am an infantryman, a military medic. Although he dragged mines to mortars. I had to :-). I'll tell you a secret, the tank DOES NOT NEED to constantly maintain a huge rate of fire. The shells tend to run out, but quickly fire 2-3 shells at the detected target - yes, here you can, and here the loader will work faster than AZ.

[Reviews]

Quote: Baron Pardus

I am not a tanker, I am an infantryman, a military medic. Although he dragged mines to mortars. I had to :-). I'll tell you a secret, the tank DOES NOT NEED to constantly maintain a huge rate of fire. The shells tend to run out, but quickly fire 2-3 shells at the detected target - yes, here you can, and here the loader will work faster than AZ.

Once you are not a doctor, otherwise you would be aware that a person gets tired not only from carrying shells. Even just waiting is tiresome. But it’s too early for you to know, adult uncles know this ...

[Kurare]

Quote: Baron Pardus

It remains to be seen which is better. Charger or mechanism.

Let's start with the fact that almost ALL new or promising developments exclude the loader from the crew. So what is better is known. In addition, if you read the technical literature on this topic (except, of course, the American one), then according to the totality of its capabilities, many recognize the K2 Black Panther (Korea) as the best tank at the moment. And in it, the loader is absent.

Quote: Baron Pardus

I read that some crew fired 17 shots in 47 seconds.

In hothouse conditions, having previously prepared the BC "under the arm" and without movement - I can believe it. But when the tank is moving, when the loader does not know whether he will jump now, slide down, or can suddenly jerk to the side, such records are not even close. And AZ / MZ copes with this.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Everyone has already written about the fact that projectiles of a certain length can be loaded into the automatic loader.

And these problems can be solved: the same K2 or Armata.

[oldzek]

and more, she says there about 23kg ... okay, a sub-caliber one. and a high-explosive fragmentation weighs over 30kg and on a crossroads. there is no time to record loading speed. this is what I say to you as a former charger. shudder ...

[Baron pardus]

By the way, you are absolutely right. At that event, 17 shots were fired in 45 or 47 seconds from a standstill. They just threw shells at the cannon at maximum temp. And they spent the "handy" ammunition. But in Iraq, in the battles for the Ar Rumailah airfield, our tanks showed a rate of fire (On the move) an average of 10 rounds per minute. as a rule, one shell is already in the gun, the second is in the hands of the loader. Two shells one after the other, given our LMS, will be enough to hit an enemy tank or other target, and if you don't destroy it, then disable it. I spoke about AZ in the tower. It increases the size of the turret (see the same Panther), and makes the tank heavier. In general, the simplest turret AZs were used by the French in theirs AMX13. Moreover, it is cheaper to replace a wounded or sick loader than to change and repair an AZ. The Germans, by the way, are not chasing AZ. But it seems to me that Germany has a little (just a little) more experience of war than South Korea. The rate of fire does not make much difference. You can shoot 45 times from a 10mm cannon (and even hit) a T62 lobster without punching it. You can shoot 10 times and not hit. And this already depends on the OMS and detection devices, and no rate of fire will help.

[Alf]

Quote: Baron Pardus

It is also known that the rate of fire of 17 rounds per minute was achieved in competitions.

Shot in three seconds? Not funny.

Quote: Baron Pardus

The ammo rack behind the armored doors and with the knockout panels gives the crew a CHANCE not to be vaporized when the ammo detonates.

The Gulf War showed that the shutters were wedged open to increase the rate of fire. What did this lead to, I think it's not worth talking about?

Quote: Baron Pardus

The mechanism does NOT provide a higher rate of fire than the loader.

In move ?

Quote: Baron Pardus

It is also known that the rate of fire of 17 rounds per minute was achieved in competitions.

Leclerc in this case is considered a tank that can shoot 8 rounds per minute SIGHTING. In the West, this is considered an unsurpassed result. You can shoot 50 shots per minute, but even Roman Mars does not know WHERE the shells will fly.

[WapentakeLokki]

..mister the ag sorevnovaniya..a you compare the rate of yes on rough terrain (and if we add the contact (not even blanks just RPG)) then your Frau (or at amerovskogo nigger) performance will fall at times .. but the automatic loader, as it gave out the average, will continue to give out ...

[Simargl]

Quote: Baron Pardus

For example, our M1A2 usually quietly reach a rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute.

This is when the tank does not move? And if she does? Yes over rough terrain, yes quickly? Or is it just a maneuvering the "carousel" method? I think there is a non-zero probability of dropping a projectile.

Quote: Baron Pardus

I read that some crew fired 17 shots in 47 seconds

And the mechanic driver, probably, carried the shells?

Quote: Baron Pardus

The ammo rack behind the armored doors and with the knockout panels gives the crew a CHANCE not to be vaporized when the ammo detonates.

A BC below the tower - reduces the chance of detonation. No?

Quote: Baron Pardus

Well, change the caterpillar faster with four than three.

Somewhere there is a video of how the Japanese (or Koreans) had a gusl at the show - there were about 30 people running around. We, in biathlon, coped faster with a log ...

Quote: Baron Pardus

The mechanism does NOT provide a higher rate of fire than the loader.

This should be said by the developers of the A-192. First of all, AZ makes it possible to reduce the size of the tank! And the size of the BOPS is limited - this is how the AZ was designed when they were very small.
And make the tower uninhabited
But the American loaders union will never give free rein to the designers!

[mister-red]

It is also known that the rate of fire of 17 rounds per minute was achieved in competitions.

The key phrase is in competitions. During a battle, when a tank jumps over rough terrain, when some shell hits the armor and even though it doesn't pierce, the ringing in the ears will be awesome, and maybe blood from the ears - that's when we'll look at the rate of fire.

[bk316]

, Tell me please, a medic, but how to make an uninhabited tower without an automatic loader?

[d4rkmesa]

Oh, now they will throw at you ... That a "leather bag" as a loading mechanism is better and can carry large BOPSs, which not every AZ can do.

[Simargl]

Quote: d4rkmesa

and can carry large BOPSs, which not every AZ is able to do.

This is how the designers will untie their hands, how they stick 130-140-155 / 152 mm into tanks, how the BOPS will become one and a half meters long and a cartridge for 100 kg - we'll see.

[Baron pardus]

Then AZ will become quite relevant, especially for 140-155mm. Although the Germans, smart guys, just took the old 120mm cannon, lengthened the barrel, strengthened the structure for firing more powerful bops and are happy. Another thing is that if some goof throws a NEW reinforced projectile into an OLD cannon, it can bang beautifully. (I do not know if there is foolproof protection or not). Considering that a NEW cannon can be installed on OLD tanks, this is a very simple and cheap solution .. And the fact that 130mm (Germans) and 140mm (French) will be designed, well, let's see for now. By the way, the German gun was tested, emnip on the Challenger, where the loader sits. And loaded by hand.
And what about the dimensions. You see, modern fire control systems absolutely do not care if your tank is 2.2 meters high (T90) or 2.4 meters (Abrams). Seichas, by the way, there is a discussion in the United States about missile tanks. I mean, a tank with a light cannon, but the main armament is something like Hellfair Longboy. By the way, this Helfair also absolutely does not care about a 2.2 meter or 2.4 meter tank. A modern tank gun has a dispersion of not 10 meters by 500 meters. Here is infa about the accuracy of the L7 cannon https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a073353.pdf and since then they have invented a lot of things.

The rate of fire is the same. If your LMS is mediocre, then rate of fire won't help you much. You simply will not be able to hit the target from the first shot, and an enemy with a good SLA will simply not give you a chance for a second shot. If you have bad means of detection, and the enemy has good ones, then your rate of fire will NOT help you either. You simply will not find the enemy. And find yourself standing in front of the Apostle Peter (or in front of Odin).
The fact that the Koreans and the French put AZ on the tanks does not mean EXACTLY anything. Why? And because everything is done for the sake of profit. And if they pushed through an expensive tank (and, EMNIP Leclerc and Panther are the most expensive in the world, more expensive than Abrams and Leopard2), this does not mean that the TANK is BETTER, which means that the manufacturer will receive MORE profit.
Speaking of money, the charger is CHEAPER AZ, it's also cheaper to repair, I'm not talking about the fact that ALL tankers are taught at least the basics of what others in the crew do. So the loader can somehow replace the wounded (or killed) gunner or another member of the ekpage. It is also faster to load the BC with four people :-) for those who have doubts, I recommend downloading the BC at least in Bradley. By oneself..

I say it again. Let's say, LET'S ADMIT you have Abrams in service (whatever, if only without AZ). New, longer BOPS appear, but you don't care. Negro Tyrone will throw them just like the old ones. Then you decided to put a new German cannon, well, which is L55, on reinforced charges. And you don't care. Negro Tyrone will charge the same way as before. Now let's imagine that you have a T-80. New long BOPS have arrived, but they do not climb into AZ. From the word NO. and like BOPS are in the warehouse, but we cannot shoot them. Then we decided that we will lengthen it 125mm and strengthen it, we will do it like the Germans with their 120mm. The cannon has been installed, but NEW shells do not fit into the OLD AZ. And now you have the pleasure of making love with the new AZ and its installation in the OLD building and the OLD tower.
Therefore the charger is simply cheaper. In all senses. And given the fact that our loaders serve for at least 4 years, then the skill of throwing shells on the move will be more than that of a brow who served 1 year.

[Simargl]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Although the Germans are smart, they just took the old 120mm cannon, lengthened the barrel, strengthened the structure for firing more powerful bops and are happy.

Clever girls! Our mediocrity made a cannon, to which it is not worth letting live people when shooting - without an ejector, which means - a parasitic volume and a pressure drop zone. I had to fence the tank without a crew in the tower.

Quote: Baron Pardus

And what about the dimensions. You see, modern fire control systems absolutely do not care if your tank is 2.2 meters high (T90) or 2.4 meters (Abrams).

No, I don’t understand. The fact is that I can shoot, I shot from different weapons. And I understand very well the difference in target dimensions. It's one thing to notice a target, it's another to hit it: if the Abrams profile is 90 times larger than the T-1,4, then it's easier to hit ... 2-3 times. Don't believe me?
Simple experience:
1 - go to the shooting range,
2 - make 100 shots,
3 - cover all holes with a profile (for example, a tank), count (let's say, it turned out 100),
4 - draw the same profile, but 1,4 times smaller area,
5 - count the holes, count the ratio.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Seichas, by the way, there is a discussion in the United States about missile tanks. I mean, a tank with some kind of light cannon, but the main armament is something like Hellfair Longboy.

The developers of the BMPT Terminator drove into the future and stole the idea. They can't do anything themselves!

Quote: Baron Pardus

And find yourself standing in front of the Apostle Peter (or in front of Odin).

Macron Monster will confirm: I don't believe in gods.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Speaking of money - CHEAPER CHEAPER AZ

Correctly! Meat is cheaper than cast iron! After all, an increase in the reserve volume does not affect the dimensions in any way, and a person needs 2-3 extra cubic meters. It was in the T-14 that they drove people into a capsule, expelled from the tower, reduced the armor volume and made the equivalent of frontal armor in a meter with the same mass. Ignoramuses, WHO!

Quote: Baron Pardus

Then you decided to put a new German cannon, well, which is L55, on reinforced charges. And you don't care.

Oh yeah! Negro don't care. The same as the AZ T-90, because if you really need it, you can also charge the Lead ... with handles. Slowly but possible. Oops ... betrayed a military secret ...
However, if you don’t know, I’ll let you know: the length of the shot for Abrams is limited to about 1 m. The M829E4 has already reached the bottom of the sleeve. The improved AZ T-90 - yes, it only digests 74 cm versus 90 cm.

[HAM]

In "Abramsh" -nigres, in "Leopards" -baby ..... nobody canceled tolerance ...

[AlexVas44]

Quote: HAM

In "Abrams" - negros, in "Leopards" - babes .....

In the "Abrams" - negros, in "Leopards" - babes like blacks...

[Reviews]

In principle, if with a small letter and not in quotes, then blacks can meet in a leopard ... :)

[Yaro Polk]

The US Secretary of State (new) E. Blinken said: "... his grandfather, who escaped from the concentration camp, met a tank with a white star in the forest, and a NEGRO tank COMMANDER got out of the hatch of the tank, and his grandfather told him three words that knew in English "GOD SAVE AMERICA"

[Kurare]

Quote: Yaro Polk

from the hatch of the tank got out the COMMANDER of the tank NEGRO, and grandfather told him three words that he knew in English "GOD SAVE AMERICA"

You missed the most important thing: he KNEEED! As befits everyone, according to the postulates of BLM and arch-democratic and liberal America.

And now, in contrast:
https://www.sport-express.ru/football/abroad/reviews/v-ssha-futbolist-iz-rossii-ne-vstal-na-koleno-intervyu-kak-dvizhenie-black-lives-matter-vliyaet-na-sport-1731158/

[WapentakeLokki]

... well, generally at a nigger in the tank (which back in the 45th that now there is only one role - being charged) and the fact that the nigga got out first and then the clear - white perod run it (if you kill something wrong It's a pity) but in the distant 45th Blinken's grandfather did not have a smart and he could not google and find out that in front of him was not the commander of Sherman, but a dead automatic loader Made in USA ...

[Captain45]

Quote: Yaro Polk

the NEGRO tank COMMANDER got out,

No, I watched the performance, he said - AFRO-AMERICAN! Even then, grandfather knew how they would call NEGROV in half a century. Well Blinken what do you want

[WapentakeLokki]

..but no way to cross them (well, like a snake and a hedgehog) so that the exit is a baba-nigga ... well, or a nigga-trans ... from-it would be in the spirit of the complete victory of the Light side over the dense old times ...

[Oleg Bykov]

In principle, any crew member can become a loader. However, you should be able to equip the 23mm smoothbore cannon with 120 kg rounds.
- says the 24-year-old girl, explaining that she copes with her duties.

And here the Ministry of Labor discriminates against women - it forbids lifting a load of more than 15 kg at a time ...

[Alf]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

And here the Ministry of Labor discriminates against women - it forbids lifting a load of more than 15 kg at a time ...

Backward and intolerant ...

[Baron pardus]

We have a WARNING in the army that "your chosen profession can carry professional risks", you sign a piece of paper saying that you knew about it, and you are free. The gunners sign that they know that their hearing may be affected. By the way, now in the USA there is a court, a company that supplied earplugs for the Armed Forces, the USSA supplied some kind of crap that did not protect the soldiers from damage to the hearing aid. The company is now on trial. And robust. Have you been warned? They warned you - your problems, if you want to be a loader - try to tear yourself at least until the uterus falls out, but YOU WERE WARNED. Everything is "democratic", we have "equality" (in theory). Again, you are warned more than once or twice that if you are injured, and you do not have a bulletproof vest and helmets, then there will be NO COMPENSATION - you have violated the safety technique. Therefore, our in any heat and in bulletproof vests, and in a helmet. Not in berets, caps and hats, bandanas, but in helmets. +40? Doesn't sway. But this is the ARMY, the special forces have their own troubles and rules.

[Simargl]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

And here the Ministry of Labor discriminates against women - it forbids lifting a load of more than 15 kg at a time ...

Separate loading to help

[Galleon]

At what point ordinary good girls become completely like this ... "enchanting" women ?? Really, during her entire puberty period, none of the guys told her that she was beautiful or pretty, that it turned down to the tank ?? How can one fail to recall the Apostle Paul (Rom. 1) with his "their women replaced their natural use with an unnatural one" - what is it like an unnatural use of a woman?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Galleon

Is she cute that she was turned down to the tank ??

Yes, to hell with him with the tank, even if our tank is not good, although there are circus acts like pulling a torn caterpillar - but this is a loader !!!!

[Alf]

Quote: Galleon

Really, during her entire puberty period, none of the guys told her that she was beautiful or pretty

Yeah, try it, tell me, they will immediately pull you to court for harassment and sexism.

[Olddetractor]

Journalists do not often come to the loaders. Publication, this is a skillfully highlighted beginning of a career, a girl will not stay for a long time. She talks about the officer's school

[Horon]

Only a woman can bear and give birth to a child. To continue the human race is their main purpose. A woman who seeks to surpass a man in extravagance, quickly becomes a sexless organism incapable of procreation. Take care of women men!

[WapentakeLokki]

..and how is this one .. to keep .. to replace it as a loader ..
py.sy .. I remember an episode of Humorina about SuperGeyroya..vizhu, said Xie Zuper as the crowd in the park niggas adheres to a white girl and then defended Ya..chto eo..net I replace her !!!

[CAT BAIYUN]

Yeah .... I'm not a tanker, but from my point of view, an autoloader is better than a separate and specially trained crew member. And here it is not a member at all ...
Woman-loader .... Gosspeedya ... To me, the Bundeswehr reminds me of a circus? These are the grave consequences of having a female gynecologist at the post of commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces.

[aszzz888]

Her duties include not only loading the Leopard 2A6 gun, but also working with a 7,62 mm machine gun, if necessary, with an anti-aircraft gun. She is also responsible for radio equipment.

And what for in a tank to paint a mug?

[pmkemcity]

It is never boring because no two days are alike.

The meaning of life is in the checkpoint schedule

[tralflot1832]

The beginning of the 80s. BMRT of the "Pushkin" type. There is no automation at the fish factory. We go out to the basement. We had a girl in the basement, a barmaid. I called them girls from the grenadier battalion. So she is in the basement for a place to drive with capelin, put the hammers in place, very difficult physically work .. The hammer loads the cages with fish pails. 11 kg fish plus a 4 or 5 kg baking sheet. 2 cages of 44 piles in each, a total of 88 pieces. 88 pieces in less than 6 minutes. Put such a loader Leopard or Abrams in bursts. And between bursts of smoke breaks, it's sacred. So this corporal has much to strive for.

[Momotomba]

Quote: Baron Pardus

the crew fired 17 shots in 47 seconds

Where did you end up? And the barrel didn't melt?

[boris epstein]

17 shots in 47 seconds! Yes, Goebbels will envy! Tanks and self-propelled guns with 120-155 mm cannons with automatic loaders give 7-9 rounds per minute!

[Momotomba]

And if you load 22 shots per minute with your hands,
That's just the liquid cooling you need to screw on)

[dgonni]

Yeah. And the old man MG-34, having gone through modernization and transformation with the transition to the NATO cartridge, is still used by the Deutsches!

[Alf]

Quote: dgonni

Yeah. And the old man MG-34, having gone through modernization and transformation with the transition to the NATO cartridge, is still used by the Deutsches!

So it works, why fence a vegetable garden? M2 is also registered in the US Army. Yes, and our KVPT. And the DShK?

[WapentakeLokki]

.. actually it's not MG-34 but even MG-42 !!!

[Eugene-Eugene]

He meant the basic version, where everything came from

[Captain45]

It’s fun to serve in the Bundeswehr, do whatever you want, the majors and colonels are transforming themselves into women, they walk in their heels, clatter, women load shells into the guns. Full gender division of labor

[Alf]

Quote: Captain45

It’s fun to serve in the Bundeswehr, do whatever you want, the majors and colonels are transforming themselves into women, they walk in their heels, clatter, women load shells into the guns. Full gender division of labor

[Lord of the Sith]

Quickly looking at the first picture, I thought that this was a stern, oiled tanker, a forty-year-old man with a powerful mustache)))

But it turned out that this is a 24-year-old lady with a smeared face for some reason)))

[Alf]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Quickly looking at the first picture, I thought that this was a stern, oiled tanker, a forty-year-old man with a powerful mustache)))

But it turned out that this is a 24-year-old lady with a smeared face for some reason)))

I didn't see it either at first. And then he shuddered. If a girl at 24 looks like a 40-year-old man, oh, how bad things are going in Germany ...

[Ela myaushkina]

Well, okay. Why not? He wants to go to serve, even in tanks, even in aviation, even in ships. Who cares? Who has the right to decide who, where and which place? Each person decides for himself where he belongs and where he does not belong. And no one should care about this. And then if you read the comments here, sheer condemnation and cliché, they say there is no place for a woman ... Who said that? Who decided that? Who thinks so? Who gave such a right to whom? But what about the right to choose? Or is it not given to the female sex or partially?

[Alf]

Quote: Ela Myaushkina

Who cares? Who has the right to decide who, where and which place? Each person decides for himself where he belongs and where he does not belong. And no one should care about this. And then if you read the comments here, sheer condemnation and cliché, they say there is no place for a woman ... Who said that? Who decided that? Who thinks so? Who gave such a right to whom? But what about the right to choose?

The familiar breeze whirls ... the West pulled ...

[Terran ghost]

Whirls in a familiar breeze ..

Like a familiar breeze. Medieval savagery and superstition. Hypocrisy and hypocrisy.
PS: A small "bonus" in addition

USSR Constitution 1977 of the year
Article 35. A woman and a man have equal rights in the USSR.
The realization of these rights is ensured by the provision of women with equal opportunities with men in obtaining education and vocational training, in work, remuneration for it and promotion at work, in social, political and cultural activities, as well as by special measures to protect the labor and health of women; creating conditions that allow women to combine work with motherhood; legal protection, material and moral
support for motherhood and childhood, including the provision of paid leave and other benefits for pregnant women and mothers, a gradual reduction in the working hours of women with
young children.

[Alf]

Quote: Terran Ghost

Whirls in a familiar breeze ..

Like a familiar breeze. Medieval savagery and superstition. Hypocrisy and hypocrisy.
PS: A small "bonus" in addition

USSR Constitution 1977 of the year
Article 35. A woman and a man have equal rights in the USSR.
The realization of these rights is ensured by the provision of women with equal opportunities with men in obtaining education and vocational training, in work, remuneration for it and promotion at work, in social, political and cultural activities, as well as by special measures to protect the labor and health of women; creating conditions that allow women to combine work with motherhood; legal protection, material and moral
support for motherhood and childhood, including the provision of paid leave and other benefits for pregnant women and mothers, a gradual reduction in the working hours of women with
young children.

But in "backward" Russia, women are usually allowed to go ahead, open the door for her, pay for her and give way. In the West this is not understood.

[Kushka]

Once the naval "intelligentsia" (BCH-4, signalmen) was sent
get a brick from a local brick factory (by hand).
The aunts gave us three pairs of mittens (hot brick, with ovens)
became a chain from the oven to the gate, and we were built on the street-
to the truck. To the middle of the body of the Urals, the chain began to give
crashes. Then the sailors asked for a smoke break. Aunts in rude
thick robes at the stoves were laughed at - be ashamed of the bulls
19-year-olds - you have ONE car, and we are in front of you SEVEN
such loaded! No smoke breaks, we have children at home ourselves.

[Alf]

Quote: Kushka

Aunts in rude
thick robes at the stoves were laughed at - be ashamed of the bulls
19-year-olds - you have ONE car, and we are in front of you SEVEN
such loaded!

What are they boasting about? The fact that at 45-50 in wooden boxes will start to fit? Or are they hoping for medicine? In vain, no one has yet managed to fall in love with nature.

[Kushka]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Quickly looking at the first picture, I thought that this was a stern, oiled tanker, a forty-year-old man with a powerful mustache)))
But it turned out that this is a 24-year-old lady with a smeared face for some reason)))

- I am already aged, and my wife demands ...
- And I told you, do not marry an ugly one,
Nobody will help you.

[Ela myaushkina]

Quote: Avior

It looks impressive.
Why is her face smeared, I wonder?

For the showiness of the photo.

[Whirlwind]

If a woman is a loader in a tank, then there is a war.

[Servisinzhener]

I remembered my student years. An Austrian student from the city of Tal came to us on exchange. She looked just like this loader, and not like the girls in the ads for German beer or cars.

[alexwolf63]

The loading mechanism saves life, 4-1 = 3 1x3 = 3 one more crew. Platoon 3 tanks of 4 - 12 tankers, 3 tanks of 3 - 9 tankers, 3 saved lives.

[orionvitt]

says a 24-year-old girl, explaining that she is coping with her duties

Baby, have you been in a real war? Concussion in the tank, let's see how you cope with your duties. She likes it.

[bogart047]

there are still women in German villages

[Alf]

Quote: bogart047

there are still women in German villages

They are d ... fondly called stupid.

[Ax Matt]

Why was it smeared? Are you wearing camouflage? Or is the ink smeared? Yes, with such a figure only instead of a negro ...

[Alf]

Quote: Ax Matt

Yes, with such a figure only instead of a negro ...

So they have the same negros status of people received, in vain, in my opinion, undeservedly.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

And how will this girl restore a broken caterpillar in battle? I would like to see!

[Alf]

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

And how will this girl restore a broken caterpillar in battle? I would like to see!

Call technical support. And he will sue them if it takes a long time to get there.

[WapentakeLokki]

... and she will call the emergency gang and they will drive the tow truck and everything will be tip-top ... or not ???

[Alf]

Quote: WapentakeLokki

... and she will call the emergency gang and they will drive the tow truck and everything will be tip-top ... or not ???

Way calls 911.

[mmaxx]

We cannot raise that much for women on labor protection. And this one is proud. Bravo! German women have achieved equality with hefty blacks from "Abrams"

[Evgeny Zadunaysky]

Healthy mare

[napalm]

In the chest area, nothing sticks out, but in the groin area there is something.

[WapentakeLokki]

..this is her diaper .. just in case, and there are all sorts of cases ... suddenly there is a war and she is not ready .. for everything ... how the Russians start hammering 125 mm into the side and she prepared ...

[zxc15682]

Shpaloukladchittsa .. In Russia there are restrictions on female labor in difficult conditions.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, what? Good job ... no need to think ... no need to have brains! In general, there is no mind - consider the loader!

[Bad_gr]

I once read:
What is a "woman physicist"? It's like a guinea pig: neither a guinea pig, nor a pig.
In my opinion, to "woman-loader" - this decoding, the same, will do.

[meandr51]

The enemy would have had more of these tankers ...

[AB]

Um, is this transgender girl? In the Bundeswehr, all sorts of crap has been going on with the staff for a long time. Back in 2017, 43-year-old ex-man turned transgender woman Anastasia Bifang led a battalion of the German army. And in 2020, the head of the battalion of the German Bundeswehr, Anastasia Bifang, who until recently was a man, was appointed an officer of the General Staff.

[cosmonaut]

kapets, in Germany the men are over. in fact, it's not the Arabs to hire

[boris epstein]

"However, you should be able to equip the 23mm smoothbore cannon with 120kg rounds."
"Leopard-2 is armed with a 120-mm smooth-bore cannon ... The gun ammunition includes 42 UNIT LOADING shots ..." "Encyclopedia of Tanks."
120mm unitary CANNOT weigh 23 kg! The projectile (depending on which one) plus the propelling charge will at least weigh 40 kilograms. Is she the German champion in weightlifting? Throw at least 10-15 forty-kilogram unitars in one exercise, not to mention the battle! What about repairing a broken track? There you have to work with a sledgehammer and a crowbar!

[UA3QHP]

They have no OFS in the BC, so the unitars are not heavier than 24 kg.
https://ru.qaz.wiki/wiki/Rheinmetall_Rh-120
PS
for Baron Pardus
it is doubtful that the new elongated projectile can be loaded into an old, not modernized cannon.

[Thomas N.]

Quote: Ua3qhp

They have no OFS in the BC, so the unitars are not heavier than 24 kg.

They have an OFS in ammunition: 120mm HE DM 11 Tank Ammunition (https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/systems_and_products/weapons_and_ammunition/direct_fire/large_calibre/index.php) and google more14105ewXNUMX

[Alf]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Throw at least 10-15 forty-kilogram unitars in one exercise, not to mention the battle!

Especially when the commander shouts Schnell, Schnell ...

[sifgame]

And not a woman, judging by the photo, but a woman