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The reasons for the increase in food prices in the USSR in 1962: what Konchalovsky did not mention in his film

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Not so long ago the film by A. Konchalovsky "Dear Comrades" was released. He tells about the events of early June 1962 in the city of Novocherkassk. Then a demonstration of workers of the Novocherkassk EVZ and some of the townspeople who joined them was held in the city in connection with the increase in food prices announced by the Soviet government. The townspeople demanded an increase in wages, as well as a change in the factory (and some - and not only factory) management.


Konchalovsky's film is actively discussed by film critics and fans of historical cinema. The assessments are traditionally different, often diametrically opposite.

However, in this case, the speech in this case is not entirely about the film itself and not even quite about the protest demonstration in Novocherkassk, but about what in 1962 the government's decision to raise prices was connected with, about whether the director took this into account. Today, this very fact - the government proclaims an increase in food prices - causes, perhaps, a bitter grin, because nowadays prices are growing without any announcements, and even more so without appropriate government statements.

Alexei Safronov talks about the prerequisites for an increase in meat prices in the USSR in the early 1960s, noting that Konchalovsky did not mention them in his Dear Comrades.

From video:

Stalin's heirs in the USSR inherited the food system that had developed 20 years earlier.

The plot is presented on the channel "Prime Numbers":

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  1. nnm
    nnm 27 November 2020 10: 00
    +36
    Strange "historical" calculations. The feeling that the author has no idea about how the Ryazan experiment simply ruined the production of meat and milk practically throughout the country. The feeling that Larionov himself did not endure the terrible results and did not shoot himself. But he was a business executive and a statesman of a level not like ours. But thoughtless instructions from above - "we will catch up and overtake! Five-year plan in 4 years!" even broke him!
    Therefore, when they talk about how beautiful everything is (especially pleased with the favorite comparison with the 20s), it is a lie. Everything was very difficult, especially remembering that the war had recently ended, which destroyed enormous capacities and resources. Or that everyone has forgotten the epic of corn, etc.? Yes, it was all.
    But I have one question - has the state financed this garbage film again or not? How long can you throw mud at yourself for our taxes? I do not call to show pathos, but to shoot over and over again stupid scoops, drunk specials, bloodthirsty commissars and raping German ancestors - there is simply no strength to watch.
    1. nnm
      nnm 27 November 2020 10: 03
      +27
      Checked it out. 70 million of our taxes were spent on this regular crap. Moreover, Russia nominated this "masterpiece" for an "Oscar"! But scolding the Konchalovsky is like rearranging the beds in a brothel !!
      And calls to vote with a wallet will not help here - money has already been received from the budget and has been successfully "used". Including his own wife in the title role.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 November 2020 10: 15
        +10
        Quote: nnm
        Yes, scolding the Konchalovsky is like rearranging the beds in a brothel !!

        They did not bring any benefit to the country, and the noise from them is still that the head hurts.
      2. Alexander Maltsev
        Alexander Maltsev 28 November 2020 22: 53
        +8
        With us, as soon as some traitor makes a film or writes a book, he is immediately nominated over the hill for a film award or the Nobel Prize for Literature.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2020 10: 14
      +14
      Quote: nnm
      Or that everyone has forgotten the epic of corn, etc.? Yes, it was all.

      Cattle, horses, pigs were taken from collective farmers, the grass-field system was exhausted, they were allowed to plow the land up to 100 meters from rivers and reservoirs, peas and lentils were planted instead of clover. Khrushchev's voluntarism and illiteracy led to the collapse of agriculture. Collective farms, private farms that provided a quarter of meat and milk disappeared. All this led to a shortage of food in the country.
      1. nnm
        nnm 27 November 2020 10: 15
        +11
        In general, I cannot understand how this monster came to the USSR at such a time. In fact, he took the first steps towards the collapse of the USSR then.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 27 November 2020 10: 27
          -12%
          Well, Stalin shot all possible successors when he eliminated competitors. There were only monsters on the top with hands from J.
          Then Khrushch twitched, he was eliminated by the party so that he would not muddy the water and did not try to remake the USSR.
          They put Brezhnev on, he just started the situation and did nothing.
          In the end, a loser reformer Gorbachev was put in, in whose place it was necessary to look for an incredible genius, given how much everything was running at that moment. But it was not better on top, the party collective does not like upstarts.
          1. nnm
            nnm 27 November 2020 10: 30
            +8
            For some reason, I think that he saw Beria as a successor. Well, or at least Malenkov. And the "Megrelian affair", in my subjective opinion, was nothing more than an attempt to prevent the crown from appearing on L.P.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 27 November 2020 10: 37
              +8
              If I saw someone as a receiver, then you need to assign them, give support, shower titles and other transient processes. And so Malenkov and Beria flew away with a post ahead of the whistle.
              And the victory marshal, although he perfectly knew how to roll the Nazis with tanks, was completely zero in politics. First he held Khrushch, and then from Khrushch and got some tinsel
              1. nnm
                nnm 27 November 2020 10: 45
                +2
                It's definitely not the case to bring someone closer! Immediately the crown will appear and all the others will run to bow to him, and you will become a lame duck
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 27 November 2020 10: 48
                  +2
                  That is, if you yourself are a zero in politics, a new leader was appointed in Kazakhstan, and all the cases were elected. And all the same power is with the old president. He just moved from the official head to the gray cardinals.
                  Over there, Putin appointed Medvedev as president.
                  In the DPRK and Cuba, too, such transition processes passed without problems, and so on.
                  All monarchies have been admirably elevated and heirs with titles for millennia.
              2. businessv
                businessv 27 November 2020 22: 29
                -2
                Quote: BlackMokona
                First he held Khrushch, and then from Khrushch and got some tinsel

                And where is his fault? What did he support, or what did Khrushch betray? The entire Soviet elite feared his authority among the people like fire! It was a real Marshal of Victory! And they removed him from any management because of this. He knew how to find people who understand what he himself could not figure out.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 28 November 2020 10: 52
                  +1
                  Of course, if such a smart, authoritative and all the affairs of what he himself did not get out to the post of General Secretary?
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 28 November 2020 20: 48
                    -2
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    Of course, if such a smart, authoritative and all the affairs of what he himself did not get out to the post of General Secretary?

                    Again:
                    The entire Soviet elite feared his authority among the people like fire!
                    Do you understand the word ALL? This means he had no chance. Precisely because of decency, he did not want to use his authority to get into power.
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 28 November 2020 22: 54
                      +3
                      Of course I didn't use it at all when I overthrew Beria wassat
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 28 November 2020 23: 39
                        -5
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Of course I didn't use it at all when I overthrew Beria

                        What nonsense are you writing! For a start, at least read at least something! Please do not answer me please, you are not interesting to me! https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2018/12/21/789937-pobedil-beriyu
                    2. zenion
                      zenion 18 January 2021 19: 15
                      0
                      businessv (Vadim). Of course, no one knew everything about Zhukov, but who served at the time when he was minister of defense, he will not be forgotten, although many are no longer there. A neighbor who served in the aviation said this: in the military unit it was possible to move only at a combat step, or at a run. If there are two servicemen, then only in the leg and as on the parade ground during the exercise. He returned after serving in North Korea, then in China. We arrived at the airfield, the long road was exhausted. Suddenly a crowd of generals and Zhukov at the head met. He did not have time to hide. The jumpsuit is unbuttoned around the neck and is covered in sweat, tortured and beckoned. What shape are you in, how did you come up? Let's scold. I am in the army will uproot the notion that where aviation ends order. Then one of the generals told him they just sat down, they were not even tired yet. And then Zhukov interrupts him - I did not ask you that the general's shoulder straps are pressing on his shoulders. And there, from the locker room, Alexei waves one hand, run here. And he quietly and quietly moved away, and then turned on the speed. How it ended there he does not know. But I saw how he gave everyone there a poke. There were so many complaints against him that he had to refuse this non-commissioned officer. In general, the front-line soldiers said that Rokossovsky was the most real person. And Zhukov only knew mat and I will shoot, a real noncommissioned officer.
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 18 January 2021 20: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: zenion
                        In general, the front-line soldiers said that Rokossovsky was the most real person. And Zhukov only knew mat and I will shoot, a real noncommissioned officer.
                        Non-commissioned officer is the lowest rank in the German army. It's not about the style of addressing subordinates, although this is very important for those who are forced to communicate directly. It's about the execution of orders. Rokossovsky knew how to deal with people in a human way, there are no Zhukov, but the execution of orders by both commanders was at the maximum level in the army of that time. Zhukov was only a commander and military leader, Rokossovsky was also a man.
                  2. businessv
                    businessv 28 November 2020 20: 52
                    -4
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    Of course, if such a smart, authoritative and all the affairs of what he himself did not get out to the post of General Secretary?

                    I have a question for you: have you heard about Zhukov before? Or for the first time? You ask strange questions, as if not from Russia.
            2. Volodin
              Volodin 27 November 2020 13: 13
              +7
              Quote: nnm
              For some reason, I think that he saw Beria as a successor. Well, or at least Malenkova

              All of them see someone in successors, but only often for some reason are silent ... The result is carried forward with their feet, and the result is our questions: "how did it happen that this one ended up in power." And this will always happen if those in power believe that they are eternal, and if no sensible system of power change (without cataclysms) is built.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 28 November 2020 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: nnm
              For some reason, I think that he saw Beria as a successor. Well, or at least Malenkov.

              What is there to think, just Khrushch seized power, eliminating competitors.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 November 2020 10: 40
          +5
          Quote: nnm
          In general, I cannot understand how this monster came to the USSR at such a time.

          An intriguer, a squabbler, "a hidden Trotskyist who pushed people with their heads. For all his shortcomings, he managed to survive under J.V. Stalin and occupy key posts. He removed all opponents from his path, Beria, Bulganin, Malenkov, Kaganovich, Molotov - all Stalin's associates were removed from power, and supposedly "their" people were put in. Then he began to remove his own people, the first one flew their clips Zhukov. There is still no documentary evidence of who he was associated with on the other side.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 44
            +3
            Malenkov and Molotov took the most active part in the elimination of Beria. Bulganin was considered Khrushchev's man. The latter did not forgive Bulganin for his participation in the "anti-party group."
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 30 November 2020 11: 11
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Beria, Bulganin, Malenkov, Kaganovich, Molotov - all Stalin's associates

            And all turned out to be traitors to Stalin ... an interesting picture, isn't it?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 30 November 2020 11: 31
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              And all turned out to be traitors to Stalin ... an interesting picture, isn't it?

              In the end, yes.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 30 November 2020 12: 03
                +3
                Before his death, it is not a fact that not violent (or not providing assistance during an attack), Stalin was preparing the transfer of the levers of power, from the party apparatus, to the Soviet and economic bodies. Practitioners, business people. And the successor was most likely to be Lavrenty Pavlovich. He has proven in practice to be highly effective. No sooner had the party nomenklatura felt a stranglehold around his neck and took action. He could not openly announce a successor in the Soviet Union, an elected leader. The formalities were followed rigorously. Stalin was a true Bolshevik-communist, monarchist or bourgeois things did not work here.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 30 November 2020 12: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Stalin was preparing to transfer the levers of power from the party apparatus to the Soviet and economic bodies. Practitioners, business people

                  Who are these practical people of business .... who exactly ???
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 30 November 2020 12: 30
                    0
                    Soviet and industrial workers. The party functionaries had only ideology, but not any real power.

                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 30 November 2020 14: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Soviet and industrial workers

                      These people have surnames ????
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 30 November 2020 17: 59
                        0
                        If the documents had survived, there were certainly some notes at the IVS, but they were rather cleaned up by Khrushchev's people. Naturally, I cannot give you a surname. I sounded only a possible, at the level of rumors, the general concept of "Stalinist perestroika". If they had time to publish it, the alignment would have been different.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 20 January 2021 09: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Naturally, I cannot give you your last name. I sounded only a possible, at the level of rumors, the general concept of "Stalinist perestroika"

                        These names are not from the realm of rumors, but quite real! Zhdanov, Malenkov, Voznesenskiy, Beria, Kuznetsov ... except for the first one, the others were good performers and did not pull the role of Stalin's successor!
                        Quote: Essex62
                        If they had time to publish it, the alignment would have been different.

                        what How do you feel about the congress of winners ??
                      3. Essex62
                        Essex62 20 January 2021 14: 07
                        0
                        And where does 34 years old? You mean that half of the delegates leaned against the wall? Everything was shaky then, and the platforms were radically different among the groups. The IVS concept won, with huge losses and hardships, but proved correct. The situation at the end of the 40s was distinguished by a cardinally established system, tested by the war. Another thing is that Leiba Davidovich would have come in handy - at 45m. Stalin is too rational, nevertheless, the first real bend in the history of the backbones demanded a "revolutionary impulse".
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 22 January 2021 11: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And where does 34 years old? You mean that half of the delegates leaned against the wall?

                        smile Why is it so gloomy about the Congress of Winners? At the 17th Congress, the victory of socialism in the USSR was declared and it was after this Congress that Stalin began to prepare his reform of the USSR! The first step was the reform of the Constitution, namely changes in the electoral and judicial systems, which caused the sabotage of the old Leninist guard, led by Bukharin, and the Soviet economic and industrial nomenclature ... which in turn caused the beginning of the 37-year repression. But here is a double-edged sword ... both the Stalinist group and the opposition to Stalin participated in the repression. By the middle of the 38th, Stalin realized this, so Lavrenty Beria appeared in Moscow at the suggestion of Malenkov ... and the purge of the NKVD began, plus a review of many criminal cases and sentences. It would seem that now nothing prevents the reform of the country ... but here the war intervened, and much has changed during the war ... including Stalin has changed ... as Kaganovich said, "I knew five Stalins" .. in 46, Zhdanov suggested a new reform, but Stalin pulled him back sharply ... Joseph Vissarionovich was preparing for the Third World War and the reforms were unnecessary for him ...
                        what can dispute yes
                      5. Essex62
                        Essex62 23 January 2021 04: 21
                        -1
                        What kind of reform did Zhdanov suggest? Basing principles? Like NEP? What else could have been changed in a system that works like a clock, a polished, war-railed, mobilization economy necessary for the restoration of the destroyed European part of the country? So I was preparing for the third World IVS by objectively assessing the situation. He understood that by increasing the number of YaZ, the damned bourgeois can believe in their chance. These illusions had to be stopped quickly and harshly. What are the reforms in 46g? Later, after reaching the possibility of parity, he returned to the idea. The leader was undoubtedly preparing another kick to the party nomenclature. I didn't have time, they were eliminated physically.
              2. zenion
                zenion 18 January 2021 15: 52
                0
                You know how many people died in the USSR. Of course, you know everyone by name. Please start calling, we will be grateful.
              3. Serg65
                Serg65 20 January 2021 09: 24
                +1
                Quote: zenion
                You know how many people died in the USSR. Of course you know everyone by name

                what The entire Soviet people claimed the role of Stalin's successor? ..... however !!!
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 30 November 2020 12: 09
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In the end, yes.

      Conclusion .... Joseph Vissarionovich kept pure performers near him, but they were all mediocre personalities! The question immediately arises .. why did he treat his surroundings this way ???
  • ccsr
    ccsr 27 November 2020 13: 12
    +7
    Quote: nnm
    In general, I cannot understand how this monster came to the USSR at such a time. In fact, he took the first steps towards the collapse of the USSR then.

    I would not be so categorical in your place, although I do not deny that Khrushchev was a voluntarist and was carried away. But one must not confuse the harm he caused the Party and our history by his exposure, with what he did for the economic life of the country. I will not talk about corn, on which people far from agriculture like to speculate, but I will note that after the removal of Khrushchev, its crops grew all the time and now livestock farming in the country is unthinkable without it. But his emphasis on missile technology turned out to be advantageous for our defenses, and it is because of this voluntaristic decision that we still live in peace.
    By the way, this is how it was with food in 1960 under Khrushchev in the small town of Kerch, which is not so far from Novocherkassk and in fact the region is practically one:

    Only one department was removed, dairy and cereals were not included in the frame - I visited this store myself. Everyone can make a conclusion himself.
    As for Konchalovsky's film, I don't watch either his films or his brother's films - I'm sorry to waste time on this.
    1. nnm
      nnm 27 November 2020 13: 44
      +9
      If this is a consumer cooperation store - maybe quite. But judging by the alcohol on the shelves, it's not him. And excuse me, I have never seen such an assortment in real Soviet stores. If only exhibition shops in Moscow with crowds of queues.
      Only those who have never heard of the same Larionov and so on can write about how Khrushchev raised agriculture.
      The same goes for missiles. Only those who do not know that he reduced the army almost 2 times and proposed to bring it to the type of militia units can write this. So let's not extol this "genius".
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 November 2020 14: 56
        +7
        Quote: nnm
        The same goes for missiles. Only those who do not know that he reduced the army almost 2 times and proposed to bring it to the type of militia units can write this.

        Here it is necessary to separate flies from cutlets: the reduction itself from the methods by which it was carried out.
        The methods were unsuitable, that's right.
        But there were no alternatives to the reduction. The 5,5 million army not only withdrew significant sums from the budget for its maintenance, but also removed workers from the national economy. Moreover, constantly demanding new money for the next rearmament (this despite the fact that the USSR was simultaneously pulling two missile programs - peaceful and military).
        1. zenion
          zenion 18 January 2021 15: 57
          0
          Working hands from the farm? You think that the army was engaged only in exercises. The army worked in state and collective farms for harvesting. The army took the mined to the factories. The army helped build and defend. But to throw out front-line officers who had vast experience from the army is to follow the pretext of the enemies of the USSR.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 27 November 2020 18: 46
        +5
        Quote: nnm
        If this is a consumer cooperation store - maybe quite. But judging by the alcohol on the shelves, it's not him.

        This is an ordinary urban grocery store, and there were many of them, just not all of them had large trade halls. The photo was taken from the site "classmates" and the author of the posted picture can confirm its authenticity if you want to make sure that this is not a fake.
        Quote: nnm
        And excuse me, I have never seen such an assortment in real Soviet stores.

        And I saw in the sixties, and not one such store. Moreover, alcohol was sold from the opening of the store to its closing. And this happened under Khrushchev, although once in winter it was difficult with the supply of bread and other cereals, and I had to buy it in the morning, because it was gone by lunchtime. I myself stood in line in the morning for bread, because I studied in the second shift.
        Quote: nnm
        The same goes for missiles. Only those who do not know that he reduced the army almost 2 times and proposed to bring it to the type of militia units can write this.

        Well, do not bend it, it does not paint you, the more you tell this to someone whose father was fired from the army in 1961, having fallen under the reduction of the Black Sea Fleet's naval aviation. And 1 million 200 thousand of all military personnel were reduced, i.e. a quarter (or maybe a third, depending on how you count) of the army at that time.
        Nikita Sergeevich was the first to launch the Navy under the pressure of reforms, where the priority in the development of the Navy was given to missile-carrying submarines. As a result, many cruisers and battleships, even newly built or still under construction, had to be disposed of. By decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated March 25, 1958, this fate was shared by 240 ships and vessels, including 6 destroyers, 12 submarines, 7 landing ships, 30 minesweepers, 89 torpedo boats, battleships of project 24, heavy cruisers of project 82, the teams of all of these warships, of course, were demobilized and sent to work in the national economy. However, it is worth noting one, but very important point, but they destroyed the old, but at an accelerated pace they simultaneously created the latest weapons systems, so only in the period from 1956 to 1960, the Russian Navy was replenished with 1863 new ships.
        By 1961, the Navy had nine nuclear submarines. The five-year program "On the creation of ships with new types of weapons and power plants for 1956-1962" and "The program for the construction of naval ships for 1959-1965" were adopted and fully implemented. everything was rearmed, switched to missile systems, Nikita Sergeevich, as if feeling his imminent resignation, rushed the designers to introduce more and more new weapons. Thus, by the end of 1964, the Russian fleet already possessed 46 nuclear submarines (including 8 with ballistic missiles, 19 with anti-ship missiles) and 325 diesel submarines, as well as 150 missile boats.

        https://topwar.ru/18838-osobennosti-voennoy-reformy-nikity-hruscheva.html
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 51
        +2
        In consumer cooperation stores, alcohol was sold. In rural areas, there were practically no state grocery stores. There were consumer goods stores with the inscription "COOP". Vodka, wine, beer were sold there very actively.
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 30 November 2020 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        If this is a consumer cooperation store - maybe quite

        Considering that this is Crimea, Kerch ... and not the town of Zadripanovsk ... in Crimea, it was always normal with food, unlike the Tula ... or Kurgan regions ...
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 November 2020 22: 52
      +3
      Quote: ccsr
      By the way, this is how it was with food in 1960 under Khrushchev in the small town of Kerch,

      All this was reset after the monetary reform of the 61st and the destruction of the artels at the same time.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 57
        +2
        Whoever I talked to about the reform, everyone reduced it to only a change in the scale of money. It had no effect on people's lives. Artels (except for artisanal and artistic trades) were abolished back in the late 50s, mainly through transformation into state enterprises of local industry, and partly became consumer cooperation enterprises.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 28 November 2020 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          With whom I talked about the reform, everyone reduced it to only a change in the scale of money.

          In relation to gold, the new money of the 61st year depreciated more than twice, which led to a sharp increase in prices in the markets, and the destruction of artels aggravated the situation. Hence, the legs of a deficit grow, for example, the same bread was massively produced by artels.
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Artels (except for artisanal and artistic crafts) were abolished in the late 50s

          Our city artel "The Third Five-Year Plan", which produces household chemicals, was transformed into a state-owned enterprise in the 61st, as far as I remember.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 28 November 2020 15: 58
            +2
            The bakery artels became consumer cooperation enterprises, subordinated to the raipo. That is, they remained in the system of cooperation, in another of its varieties. Were in the field cooperation, steel in the consumer. I myself am surprised that Abramov and other village writers have references to martels when they write about the early 60s. Although, in theory, they should not have been.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 November 2020 16: 18
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Khlkbakery artels became enterprises of consumer cooperation, subordinated to the district po.

              Precisely, that the raipos obeyed.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 29 November 2020 21: 31
                0
                My parents were shareholders of consumer cooperation. Some meetings were held etc.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 30 November 2020 11: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  My parents were shareholders of consumer cooperation. Some meetings were held etc.

                  In the late nineties, when I worked in one wholesale company, I entered into contracts with several RAIPOs in the Moscow region, and then they still functioned normally, having huge retail space in some settlements, and in such areas as Balashikhinsky, Lyuberetsky and Mytishchinsky. And this system itself then stood well on its feet, but then it began to fade - it passed before my eyes. By the way, even now we come across retail space owned by RAIPO - I myself saw such a department store in Saltykovka near the station.
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 30 November 2020 14: 54
                  0
                  The system of consumer operations has been preserved, but its scale has decreased many times over.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 29 November 2020 11: 38
            +3
            Quote: Sergej1972
            martels when they write about the early 60s.

            If you remember the Tuzla spit and the events around it in the Kerch Strait, a fishing artel existed there after the sixties. Once a small settlement lived there, but then, due to supply difficulties, it decreased, it was not drawn to the collective farm, but the fishermen worked as an artel for many years and there were not a few such artels in the Azov-Black Sea region. True, maybe they were later dragged into cooperation or some other form was invented, but they caught fish there even after the collapse of the USSR.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 29 November 2020 21: 21
              +1
              So this artel is also one of the forms of cooperation.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 30 November 2020 11: 51
                +1
                Quote: Sergej1972
                So this artel is also one of the forms of cooperation.

                Quite right - those who studied political economy in Soviet times know this. Now, judging by the discussion here, many do not understand at all what it was and how then the artels functioned with the domination of state property in the general production of the country. The current generation hardly knows how collective farms differed from state farms and how urban-type settlements in rural areas differed from villages that were nearby.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 29 November 2020 11: 31
          +3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          In relation to gold, the new money of the 61st year depreciated more than twice, which led to a sharp increase in prices in the markets, and the destruction of artels aggravated the situation.

          Have a conscience - then you lived and paid in stores yourself or what? Yes, nothing has changed in the price tags, just at one time two prices were written on them, and you could pay with both old and new money. And the new price differed from the old one in that it was ten times less than the old one. And if the fare on some routes cost 30 or 50 kopecks, now it began to cost 3 and 5 new kopecks, respectively. In cinemas, tickets began to cost not a ruble, but ten kopecks for daytime shows, evening ones were more expensive.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Hence, the legs of a deficit grow, for example, the same bread was massively produced by artels.

          In the city of Kerch there was a powerful bakery and two or three more bakeries in the districts, and there was no smell of artels there. Perhaps they were in remote settlements, but in cities it all belonged to state enterprises. So the food of citizens was under the strict control of government agencies - I remember that for sure. By the way, in the cities at that time there was a huge amount of living creatures in the private sector, and now its owners often bought bread in bags, I myself saw it in the days of Khrushchev. True, the sellers swore if they came for fresh, but if the bread stale, then they willingly sold it to such buyers.
        3. ccsr
          ccsr 29 November 2020 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          In relation to gold, the new money of the 61st year has depreciated more than twice,

          Who told you that? The fact is that if after the Stalinist post-war monetary reform, every ruble was tied to gold, then after the 1961 reform, the link to gold began with a 10 ruble bill or more, which was written on the banknote. Banknotes of 1, 3 and 5 rubles were not backed by gold and there were reasons for this. But this had nothing to do with the functioning of our economy, because our ruble was not considered an international means of payment and its correspondence to gold only imposed restrictions on the circulation of the money supply within the country, which was a boon for our economy. By the way, our ten rubles were accepted for exchange in Western banks, which is why the cash export of money was limited to 30 rubles - even then the government understood that if uncontrolled cash export was allowed, then we could face the "de Gaulle effect." Cash currency could be obtained in our country for all business travelers, if everything was documented. By the way, those who hung out in the seas and entered foreign ports saw how easy it is to exchange our rubles for local money, and some Transcaucasian businessmen smuggled our chervonets and quarters in large volumes on ships.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 29 November 2020 15: 11
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            Quote: ccsr
            Who told you that?




            Ruble of 1947. The gold content of the ruble is 0,222168 grams of pure gold.

            Ruble of 1961. Since 1961, a new price scale was introduced, the old money was exchanged for new ones in a ratio of 10: 1. Meanwhile, the gold content of the ruble was increased only 4.4444 times, not ten. The ruble has become equal to 0,987412 g of pure gold

            http://www.great-country.ru/articles/sov/00016.html
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 29 November 2020 17: 49
              +4
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Ruble of 1947. The gold content of the ruble is 0,222168 grams of pure gold.

              Do you know that the monetary reform in the USSR in 1947 was carried out on December 16 - December 29, 1947, and after it, everyone who had large savings lost them overnight? But according to the reform of 1961, no one lost a penny, with the exception of those who had hidden deposits and were in places not so remote or had so many of them that they did not have time to exchange everything. But this is not even the point, but the fact that neither under Stalin nor under Khrushchev the ruble was not an international payment currency, so the citizens of the country did not care at all. The official exchange rate of the ruble was printed constantly in Izvestia, and at this rate they issued currency to those who worked abroad or went on business trips. What makes you outraged in such a situation? In general, the West did not care what kind of ruble we had - it did not use it, preferring a transferable ruble for payments.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 59
      +2
      The overwhelming majority of artels as production units were not destroyed, they became state-owned enterprises, mainly in the system of the local, light, food industry or consumer cooperation.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 November 2020 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        The overwhelming majority of artels as production units were not destroyed, they became state-owned enterprises, mainly in the system of the local, light, food industry or consumer cooperation.

        I know. Only there was already a purely planned economy, slowly reacting to market needs.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      All this was reset after the monetary reform of the 61st and the destruction of the artels at the same time.

      Yes, stop fantasizing - I remember very well how money was changed at that time, and there was a simple denomination, and if there was any rounding of prices upwards, then insignificant. Instead of a ruble, parents began to give ten kopecks to school, so that they could buy a kurabye or a biscuit for 7 kopecks and a glass of tea for 3 kopecks, if there was not enough of what was given in elementary grades for free during recess.
      As for the artels, the fishermen existed after the collapse of the USSR - I don't know where you got the idea that this form became obsolete under Khrushchev. It was just that the fish collective farms were given loans for the purchase of seiners of the SChS type, but the fishing artels usually got by with longboats and motorboats.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 29 November 2020 15: 16
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        As for the artels, the fishermen existed after the collapse of the USSR - I don't know where you got the idea that this form became obsolete under Khrushchev.

        And the gold mining artels remained. And the production?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 29 November 2020 17: 50
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And the production?

          Artels of the blind existed at the All-Union Society of the Blind - I also found this under Khrushchev and after him.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 29 November 2020 21: 27
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            You are both right, but each is partial. A part, and quite a significant, if not large, artels of industrial cooperatives were transformed into state-owned enterprises or became subdivisions and consumer cooperatives in the second half of the 50s. Prospectors' artels, artels of disabled people, artels in the field of folk arts and crafts, and some others continued to exist.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 48
    0
    I mostly agree with you. Let me just note that food difficulties began in 1962-1963. As many say, things returned to normal suspiciously quickly shortly after Khrushchev's removal.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Sergej1972
      Let me just note that food difficulties began in 1962-1963.

      It was a very bad year throughout the country, and even in the Crimea there was such snow that it was necessary to attract the military on tracked vehicles to deliver bread and other products to stores due to drifts. It was generally impossible to get to remote villages and settlements. Naturally, interruptions began, people were nervous, because this had never happened, and then it was all blamed on Khrushchev. Although Brezhnev would have been sure, this would have happened anyway - the situation in the country just happened, and some of Khrushchev's antics led to the fact that he was made a scapegoat.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 November 2020 13: 33
    +6
    Quote: ccsr
    I will not talk about corn, on which people far from agriculture like to speculate, but I will note that after the removal of Khrushchev, its crops grew all the time and now livestock farming in the country is unthinkable without it.

    But planting corn in the non-black earth zone of Russia, stopping the planting of clover, this has led to a colossal decrease in the number of cattle. Our entire school was driven in the spring to plant corn in peat-humus pots, all summer they were weeding and fertilizing the corn, and by the fall we got plants 20-30 cm high, and that's good. It was not even removed, leaving it in the fields. They even fed the cows with alder boughs, for this they installed branch crushers and mixed them with straw, in the spring the cows were already lying in the barns and they were pulled out on the reins, they could not go, about how many cattle died, I am silent. And here you are protecting this idiot pest.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And here you are protecting this idiot pest.

      I do not need to protect him - I myself lived in the suburbs for eight years in the seventies among agricultural fields and the corn was taller than human growth there. And they harvested it with combines, and in February they took shit out to the fields, and plowed it twice a year, so I know perfectly well how everything happened after Khrushchev many years later. I just don’t like it when not all the dogs are hanged for him, but his merits seemed to be missing. I already look at the history of my country differently - the age of the mind added ...
    2. zenion
      zenion 18 January 2021 19: 44
      -3
      tihonmarine (Vlad). And to plow the virgin soil on which millions of sheep and camels grazed - from a great mind. The first crop was harvested and nothing was prepared. Under awnings, some have rotted, some have burned down. After that, dry winds began and the ground flew from Kazakhstan to the most abroad. In the morning I woke up, because my parents could not understand what was the matter, looked out the window, and everything was red there. Only the rains helped and washed everything into the Dniester River, where the fish were not very happy. This is Vinnytsia region, Yampolsky district.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 January 2021 05: 33
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        Quote: zenion
        And to plow the virgin soil on which millions of sheep and camels grazed - from a great mind. The first crop was harvested and nothing was prepared. Under awnings, some have rotted, some have burned down. After that, dry winds began and the ground flew from Kazakhstan to the most abroad.

        I am also a video and I know where the cultural layer is 7 cm, plowed with a tractor. In Tsarist times, sheep and goats were not grazed on the virgin lands. A dry wind carried dust from virgin lands to the Smolensk region where I lived, but I did not think that it had reached Vinnitsa. Nikita, he was in life, he was still.
  • Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 28 November 2020 22: 33
    +3
    It's a complete lie, I remember, I was finishing school, as with this "maize" had to stand in line even for bread half with corn, completely destroyed cooperatives, procurement offices that had existed since Stalin's time, banned livestock in villages and small towns, and At this point, a shortage of meat products began to emerge, but according to Trotsky's behests, he drove abroad “gratuitous fraternal” help to anyone, struck a blow at the army and its prestige, spread propagandists like cockroaches in a dirty kitchen, and strengthened the power of the party militia in defiance of real specialists, dumb propaganda bookstores
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2020 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: Svidetel 45
      It's a complete lie, I remember, I was finishing school, as with this "maize" I had to stand in line even for bread half with corn,

      I also studied in the district center, he lived in the apartment (only when Khrushchev left 10 yrs), getting up at 6 in the morning to buy a pound of their "chernyashki" for a day. Everything that J.V. Stalin managed to do after the Victory, Khrushchev managed to ruin and profuse.
  • your1970
    your1970 28 November 2020 22: 58
    +2
    You did not see the sequence:
    1960- Your photo
    1961- monetary reform and the fall of monetary resources among the population. After that, the stores became sharply poor. In all...
    1962 - riot in Novocherkassk. One of the slogans "You can't buy anything in stores !!"
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: your1970
      You did not see the sequence:
      1960- Your photo
      1961- monetary reform and the fall of monetary resources among the population. After that, the stores became sharply poor. In all...

      There was no drop in the population's monetary resources in 1961 - these tales were invented by those who did not live then. But the fact that after Khrushchev two additional holidays were introduced on March 8 and May 9, and naturally passed to the five-day period, for some reason everyone forgets. Do you think this did not affect the overall production of products in the USSR after Khrushchev? As for the events in Novocherkassk, in my opinion it was a coincidence and an inept action by the authorities, otherwise bloodshed would have been avoided. It never occurred to you to wonder why the riots did not pass in the North or Siberia, where they lived poorer, but took place in the most prosperous region of that time. Did the Maidan in Ukraine also happen from a lack of bread in stores?
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 November 2020 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        There was no drop in monetary resources among the population in 1961 - these tales were invented by those who did not live then

        Trouble with the KGB in 1961 lived and reported to the top - that the population extremely unhappy monetary reform.
        If the KGB reported to the top
        Quote: ccsr
        these tales
        - these are the problems of the KGB and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and the people, apparently out of happiness, happily jumped and for 5 years later recalculated new prices into old ones ... Yeah, yeah .... "There was no fall"
        Read all the same reports of the KGB about the demands and slogans in Novocherkassk ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 30 November 2020 11: 38
          0
          Quote: your1970
          The trouble is that the KGB lived in 1961 and reported to the top - that the population is extremely dissatisfied with the monetary reform.

          What I don’t remember is dissatisfaction with the monetary reform, but I well remember the euphoria from Gagarin’s flight - at our school everyone was released from school, it was so joyful that the whole country was jubilant.
          Quote: your1970
          and the people, apparently with happiness, happily rode and for about 5 years then recalculated the new prices into the old ones ...

          There was no such thing - spit in the eyes of the one who told you this story, because, as I understand it, you yourself did not live at that time and did not use new money. In our school, prices for all products in the buffet have not changed for ten years after 1961, as well as travel by transport. There was a rise in the price of butter, then vodka for 2 rubles 87 kopecks. disappeared, but appeared for 3 rubles 07 kopecks. that's all the price changes in the late sixties and early seventies.
          1. your1970
            your1970 30 November 2020 16: 53
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            Quote: ccsr

            There was no such thing - spit in the eyes of the one who told you this story,

            Spit on KGB reports? in police reports on slogans in Novocherkassk?
            In general, judging by your logic, monetary reforms had to be carried out every year in the USSR ... Well prices have not changed .. perhaps? Yes?

            Only now - oops ...
            On May 17, 1962, the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted a resolution “On пraising purchase (delivery) prices for cattle, pigs, sheep, poultry, animal butter and cream and retail Price for meat, meat products and animal oil ", which provided for an increase in procurement prices for collective farms from June 1, 1962:
            for livestock and poultry - by 35%,
            for animal oil - by 10%, for cream - by 5%. "
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 30 November 2020 20: 01
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              Spit on KGB reports? in police reports on slogans in Novocherkassk?

              There is no need to rush about this Novocherkassk, if we have survived Sumgait - we still need to measure the facts of our history, at least for an objective assessment of what happened in a country that does not exist now, and which many now remember with nostalgia. Now in Karabakh our former compatriots have shown that they are ready to wet each other in thousands, and you smear all tears about Novocherkassk ...
              Quote: your1970
              Only now - oops ...
              On May 17, 1962, the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted a resolution "On increasing purchase (delivery) prices for cattle, pigs, sheep, poultry, animal butter and cream and retail prices for meat, meat products and animal butter", which provided for an increase in procurement prices for collective farms from June 1, 1962:
              for livestock and poultry - by 35%,
              for animal oil - by 10%, for cream - by 5%. "

              Purchase prices are not retail prices, and there is no direct relationship. This increase was just envisaged to intensify the development of animal husbandry in the country, and not to raise the price of doctor's sausage, which still cost 2 rubles 20 kopecks. at that time. But the oil did rise in price, but not in the same way as after the collapse of the USSR.
              1. your1970
                your1970 30 November 2020 20: 48
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Purchase prices are not retail prices, and there is no direct relationship.
                ¿?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? ¿????????????????????????????????
                This is a trumpet, this is a laugh, this is ubibism ...

                Я OILY font with UNDERLINING singled out for you ..... But this is the opponent you need to read and think at the same time. You didn't even understand what you were quoting ...
                I repeat again in BOLD type

                Quote: your1970
                On May 17, 1962, the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted a resolution “On increasing the purchase (delivery) prices for cattle, pigs, sheep, poultry, animal butter and cream and RETAIL prices for meat, meat products and animal oil "
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 1 December 2020 12: 52
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                I repeat again in BOLD type

                Well, well, they raised retail prices by some percentage, and not by several times - do you think that people started to starve, or buy less? The rest of the food basket remained unchanged - fish, bread, vegetables, fruits, cereals, dairy products, with the exception of butter. What surprises you in this, if then you wanted to stimulate the development of agriculture by increasing purchase prices for some products? What do you want to prove or accuse Khrushchev of something?
              3. your1970
                your1970 1 December 2020 14: 29
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                do you think that the people began to starve, or less to buy them? The rest of the food basket remained unchanged - fish, bread, vegetables, fruits, cereals, dairy products, with the exception of butter.

                And you again did not understand ...
                In 1961, citizens' pockets were cleared by reform
                In 1962 prices were raised. At the same time, prices in the markets jumped - and not by 5%, but by an average of 50%, which led to an increase in speculation. The population did not physically have time to buy groceries in stores during the day, and in the evening the stores were already empty, all were bought by dealers for subsequent sale in the markets ...
                There was nothing left in the shops ... but there was nothing left !!!
                This, coupled with a drop in labor prices, led to a riot.
                And so it was all over the country - fortunately, Novocherkassk alone blazed ...
                And this is precisely what caused a sharp tightening of the Criminal Code on speculators ...

                God forbid to blame anyone - but also turn a blind eye to long-known facts (like you) - I pass, I prefer to know the truth
              4. ccsr
                ccsr 1 December 2020 19: 27
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                And you again did not understand ...
                In 1961, citizens' pockets were cleared by reform

                This is a lie - there were no restrictions on the exchange of money, only the denomination of money was made, and all savings were changed at a strictly fixed rate of 1:10. The salary has not changed.
                Quote: your1970
                In 1962 prices were raised.

                Again, a lie, because they raised prices only for some products of a certain range.
                Quote: your1970
                At the same time, prices in the markets jumped - and not by 5%, but by an average of 50%.

                Another lie - in the markets before that, prices were higher than in stores, and they simply could not jump 50%. The increase in prices was caused only by the fact that taxes were imposed on the maintenance of animals in the private sector in cities, and the volume of sales of their products in the markets decreased.

                Quote: your1970
                The population did not physically have time to buy groceries in stores during the day, and in the evening the stores were already empty, all were bought by dealers for subsequent sale in the markets.
                There was nothing left in the shops ... but there was nothing left !!!

                This is a blatant lie - nothing has changed with the supply in the stores, and the range of goods was the same. I remember very well what was on sale in stores at that time, because I was periodically sent out to shop and bread at 16 kopecks had never changed in all the sixties.
                Quote: your1970
                This, coupled with a drop in labor prices, led to a riot.

                And why did not Siberia and the North rebel, where people lived much worse than Novocherkassk?
                Quote: your1970
                God forbid to blame anyone - but also turn a blind eye to long-known facts (like you) - I pass, I prefer to know the truth

                There was a fact, but there were even more all kinds of speculations on this fact, and it becomes clear that this case was specially promoted in order to remove Khrushchev. In 1982, several times more people died in the collapse of a sports tribune in Moscow, but it never occurred to anyone to blame Brezhnev for this.
              5. your1970
                your1970 1 December 2020 23: 24
                +1
                Well, if a lie is a lie ...

                So it was like this - the workers in Novocherkassk, incited by the State Department, Zhenya Psaki and the liberals, went to smash the city committee of United Russia. At the same time - knowing for sure that they could start shooting at them - at the same time they destroyed the police department, the FSB and the Treasury department ...
                Yes?
                or still Soviet people went to smash native Soviet power and the police?

                Quote: ccsr
                The salary has not changed.
                -And nothing that her zero was cut off? nothing that in a year the prices were officially raised?
                Quote: ccsr
                Another lie - in the markets before that, prices were higher than in stores, and they simply could not jump 50%.
                -they jumped more ... if a conventional bunch of parsley cost 50 kopecks, then after the reform it cost the same 50 kopecks - that is, 5 rubles old ...
                If you don't remember, watch the films of the late 60s. Brilliante hand and others. There people, 6-7-8 years after the reform, are still counting and specifying - "how old is this?"

                Quote: ccsr
                There was a fact, but there were even more all kinds of speculations on this fact, and it becomes clear that this case was specially promoted in order to remove Khrushchev.
                - no motivation was required to remove Khrushchev. The country had a well-developed technology of power change - "enemy of the people, spy" with subsequent execution.
                Basta ... next ...
                Moreover, if it were necessary for withdrawal, it would be removed immediately, and not waited 2 years until 1964 ...

                Quote: ccsr
                In 1982, several times more people died when a sports stand in Moscow collapsed,
                - Do you understand the difference between an accident and a riot?
                every year several dozen people died in the SA - accidents. Never and no defense minister was ever removed for this - but as soon as M. Rust arrived and Sokolov flew out of the ministers on a jet thrust a day later

                Rust's flight is a marker, and Novocherkassk was exactly the same marker ...
              6. ccsr
                ccsr 2 December 2020 12: 19
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                Or did the Soviet people go to smash their native Soviet power and militia?

                Some persons from the Soviet people in the Vlasov army destroyed their compatriots - that was not there either?
                Quote: your1970
                nothing that in a year the prices were officially raised?

                The prices were raised for certain goods, not all. So that you just have an idea of ​​how you lived in the sixties, I will tell you that fishermen during fishing season sold a bucket of anchovy for a ruble, and they themselves brought it into the yards, fresh caviar went for 5 rubles. half-liter can, for 7 rubles - 0,7-1,0 liter cans. But you could bargain and buy even cheaper.
                Quote: your1970
                - no motivation was required to remove Khrushchev.

                And how to explain to the people why the secretary general was removed? Then the victims of the Unified State Exam did not live today, the people in the general mass were more literate about their time.
                Quote: your1970
                -they jumped more ... if a conventional bunch of parsley cost 50 kopecks, then after the reform it cost the same 50 kopecks - that is, 5 rubles old ...

                This is a lie, which can only be believed by someone who did not live then. Once again, I inform you that from 1960 to 1970 the prices in school buffets did not change, as did the prices for other types of food, with the exception of butter and some types of meat products. New money just came into use, so prices had to be changed in proportion to the denomination.
                Quote: your1970
                Do you understand the difference between an accident and a riot?

                Well, since then you don’t like this comparison, let me remind you that during the shooting of the White House in Moscow in 1993, tens of times more died than in Novocherkassk - you don’t want to shed tears over this tragedy, or is this the wrong attitude?
                Quote: your1970
                every year several dozen people died in the SA - accidents.

                What dozens - do you know anything about these numbers in order to say such nonsense? On average, more than 2 thousand servicemen perished annually in the SA in peacetime, and of them
                only pilots under two regiments were killed during exercises and training flights.
                Quote: your1970
                Rust's flight is a marker, and Novocherkassk was exactly the same marker ...

                Yes, your flight of fantasies simply has no limits ... By the way, Sokolov did not fly out because of Rust, because Rust was just an excuse, not a reason, for Gorbachev to purge the Ministry of Defense. You just don't know the reason, so you take everything for granted.
              7. your1970
                your1970 2 December 2020 21: 27
                0
                I'm honestly tired of ...
                you all know, you saw everything, everything cost a penny, prices did not rise, pilots died in regiments in peacetime, salaries all remained at the same level, in Novocherkassk, from great satiety, people crawled under the bullets ...
                Quote: ccsr
                And how to explain to the people why the secretary general was removed?
                - and it was necessary to explain ??? !!!! yes you sho .... and the people knew - that he needed to explain something?
                "On November 3, 1957, the newspaper Pravda published an article by Marshal of the Soviet Union I. Konev" The strength of the Soviet Army and Navy is in the leadership of the party, in inseparable connection with the people. " "Zhukov did not justify the confidence of the party, he turned out to be a politically untenable figure, inclined to adventurism in understanding the most important tasks of the USSR foreign policy and in leading the Ministry of Defense" -
                this is your explanation to the people of the reasons why the Marshal Victory of the pendal in the ass?
                What the hell are the explanations for the people - after almost all of Lenin's guards turned out to be “enemies of the people and spies?” After Stalin was exposed, after Beria was shot, after Zhukov was thrown off?
                Someone believed in this lie?
                Come on ... they didn't care about the opinion of the people ... but the people didn't care about the authorities - which happened in 1991: no one stood up for it, no one at all ...
              8. ccsr
                ccsr 3 December 2020 12: 52
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                you all know, you saw everything, everything cost a penny, prices did not rise, the pilots died in peacetime, the salaries all remained at the same level,

                I lived at that time, unlike you, and moreover, I worked at that time. I earned my first 40 rubles during school holidays in 1968, working as a part-time laborer during the construction of a brewery for a month. As for the orders of the Ministry of Defense, they were brought to me against my signature - you just have no idea what it is.
                Quote: your1970
                this is your explanation to the people of the reasons why the Marshal Victory of the pendal in the ass?

                Why should the people know more - why, can you intelligibly explain? They removed and removed, all the more so for what, knowing that Zhukov was far from sinless, and he himself loved to remove subordinates for the slightest offenses. What personally did not suit you in this withdrawal now, sixty years later?
                Quote: your1970
                Someone believed in this lie?

                Someone believed, someone did not believe, what's the difference now? Or that they did not go into battle shouting "For the Motherland, for Stalin" and died believing in what he proclaimed? Now what do you personally believe in, and your descendants will not laugh at your faith in thirty years - have they tried to think about it?

                Quote: your1970
                Come on ... they wanted to spit on the opinion of the people ...

                And where did you see it differently - can you name it at least in our history? But this is not the main thing, but what results have been achieved by the very people who were led by these leaders.
                Quote: your1970
                and the people did not care about the authorities - which happened in 1991: no one stood up for it, no one at all ...

                Then explain why the current people of the forum curse the current government. Why would it if they got it the way they wanted to see it in 1991?
              9. your1970
                your1970 3 December 2020 19: 17
                0
                You contradict yourself
                Quote: ccsr
                Why should the people know more - why, can you intelligibly explain? Took off and took off

                Quote: ccsr
                And how to explain to the people why the secretary general was removed? Then not the current victims of the exam lived,

                So it is necessary to explain why the people were removed or not?

                Quote: ccsr
                As for the orders of the Ministry of Defense, they were brought to me against my signature - you just have no idea what it is.
                - yes-yes-yes, I not in the subject ... Only 9 years in the army ...

                Quote: ccsr
                Explain why the current people of the forum curse the current government. Why would it if they got it the way they wanted to see it in 1991?

                And why did they find fault with Soviet power in kitchens in 60-70? A certain number of dissatisfied with the government was, is and will be everything ... Moreover, come back by a miracle of the USSR now, half of the forum will again be dissatisfied ... To begin with, the restriction of freedom of speech. Moreover, the restriction will occur not by an indication from above, not by a direct prohibition - but by the great formula "No matter what happens" ...
                It's even sad to remember everything else ...
              10. ccsr
                ccsr 3 December 2020 21: 20
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                So it is necessary to explain why the people were removed or not?

                It is necessary to explain at a SPECIFIC level and it is not necessary to indicate all the reasons for withdrawal, and even more so the most important.
                Quote: your1970
                yes, yes, yes, I'm not in the subject ... Only 9 years in the army ...

                That's exactly what all, since they have never been present at the reading of the annual final order of the Ministry of Defense on mortality and injury.
                Quote: your1970
                A certain number of dissatisfied with the government was, is and will be everything ..

                It is with this that I completely agree with you. But if we take into account the opinions of all the dissatisfied, then we will not be able to build anything at all, and even there will be no normal life.
                Quote: your1970
                Moreover, come back by the miracle of the USSR now, half of the forum will again be unhappy.

                And here I agree with you 100%. What is the point, then, in new social upheavals?
                He can give up on all of them, and wait for the evolutionary process to correct the foolishness of some dreamers.
                Quote: your1970
                It's even sad to remember everything else ...

                In February 1917, the tsarist entourage also thought that it was worth removing Nicholas II, and life would be wonderful. Then not only they washed themselves with blood, but the whole country - some did not even have to be sad, they were immediately put up against the wall.
                It's time to comprehend our entire history without any "isms" ...
              11. your1970
                your1970 4 December 2020 12: 49
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                That's exactly what all, since they have never been present at the reading of the annual final order of the Ministry of Defense on mortality and injury.

                Since I served in a helicopter regiment, the announcement was obsessed with 3 lines ...
                How many tanks in the infantry were suppressed and blown up at the borders - no one was interested ...
                But all flight accidents were thoroughly sucked from all sides all year round ...
                That is why pro
                Quote: ccsr
                only pilots under two regiments were killed during exercises and training flights.
                - bike
                Either you remembered the 30s, or simply did not think
              12. ccsr
                ccsr 4 December 2020 13: 19
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                Since I served in a helicopter regiment, the announcement was obsessed with 3 lines ...

                Well, if you served in a helicopter regiment, you should have known how six officers on two helicopters died simultaneously from a collision in the GSVG in the late eighties, early nineties during night flights. I remember it well - the money was collected by their relatives. And how many died everything, was reflected in detail in the order of the Ministry of Defense, with all the ensuing consequences - I listened to these orders every year on a reading-book, it's strange why you didn't have that.
                Quote: your1970
                - bike
                Either you remembered the 30s, or simply did not think

                Come on, 50-60 pilots perished every year in the eighties on all types of aircraft, including during the transportation of military personnel. There was even an order from the Ministry of Defense prohibiting the commander of the districts and their deputies to fly with one side after the Leningrad tragedy:
                The Tu-104A airliner, which belonged to the control unit of the 25th MRAD of the Air Force KTOF of the USSR, performed a passenger flight on the Pushkin-Vladivostok route, but a few seconds after takeoff crashed to the ground and completely collapsed. All 50 people on board were killed - 44 passengers and 6 crew members.
                Among the passengers on board the aircraft were 16 admirals and generals and 12 captains of the first rank and colonels, which temporarily completely decapitated the Pacific Fleet of the USSR Navy [1].
  • zenion
    zenion 18 January 2021 16: 29
    0
    In the summer of 1964, Fidel Castro arrived in Sverdlovsk. I flew in the same plane with Khrushchev, who was afraid to even get off the plane. He was warned that the inhabitants of the city are very angry with him and if he appears in the city, there will be tanks on the street. Castro went out and was greeted at the Uralmash plant in the Stalin club and was met there by the secretary of the party organization Yeltsin, as always, under the head. Khrushchev flew to Tomsk, or Omsk. Many have forgotten that they made the devil out of management structures. Collective farms were united, which created a collapse of agriculture. We enlarged the districts and regions and became a mess. At the factories, the production rate was raised by order, which lowered the wages. In the shops of Sverdlovsk, even a ball rolling. Only in small shops was sprat from barrels on sale. Bread could only be bought at the factory. And of course they sold only by the number of family members. So, those who were bachelors were given a quarter, or half. But they didn’t forget to get on buses and work hard on the fields on Sunday. I also remember a German film about Russia, I forgot the name, which Khrushchev awarded husband and wife with the Orders of Lenin and of course money. After the shift, be sure to watch this film in cars and in the cinema, otherwise you will not receive a salary. And a rhyme: sitting in the sun, warming his belly, not a communist and not a CP, the hero of the Soviet Union Gamal Abdel for all Nasser. For this reason, Khrushchev was afraid of the inhabitants of Sverdlovsk.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 January 2021 18: 01
      0
      Quote: zenion
      Bread could only be bought at the factory. And of course they sold only by the number of family members. So, those who were bachelors were given a quarter, or half. But they didn’t forget to get on buses and work hard on the fields on Sunday.

      I wonder how old you were at that time and whether you worked at the plant about which you write in such detail.
      Quote: zenion
      And a rhyme: sitting in the sun, warming his belly, not a communist and not a CP, the hero of the Soviet Union Gamal Abdel for all Nasser. For this reason, Khrushchev was afraid of the inhabitants of Sverdlovsk.

      He was not afraid to organize a conspiracy against Beria, he threw Zhukov out of the army, defeated Malenkov's group, staged a performance for the Americans in Cuba, and got scared of the inhabitants of Sverdlovsk. Can you think of a more original version?
      1. zenion
        zenion 18 January 2021 18: 46
        -2
        I was then 19 years old, and in the fall I went to the army. They did not want to let go, worked on a mailbox and mastered a special lathe. But the main thing is to serve, like all people. And at the meeting with Fidel Castro was present. He was a good worker and received an invitation. And I saw this bearded man, and next to him Yeltsin, who behaved like a circus performer. A hard worker from Uralmash was sitting next to me, I asked him, who is it like a cleaver? And he replied - this is our grief, the secretary of the party organization, Yeltsin. And against Beria, he was not alone. And one on one, he never. By type, hold him three, and one will hold me.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 18 January 2021 19: 10
          0
          Quote: zenion
          They did not want to let go, worked on a mailbox and mastered a special lathe.

          Sorry, but I do not believe in your version, because defense enterprises have always had reservations for some categories of workers. And if you did not get into it, then you had to serve in the army, regardless of whether your leaders wanted it. Those who got into this work grid were not drafted into the army until the age of 27, if they remained working in this position, and I knew such people. And after 27 years, conscripts were not drafted into the army at all.
          1. zenion
            zenion 18 January 2021 20: 18
            0
            As you want, but if you want, you can do everything. I’m not forcing you to believe, I’m not a father.
  • zenion
    zenion 18 January 2021 19: 51
    0
    ccsr (ccsr). Also an achievement! Stalin wanted to introduce, when the economy became better, a five-day period with a six-hour working day, and then reduce it to four working days. As Stalin said that people should have free time from work for themselves, that would study and lead the country. At that time he already thought, these are the words, that the country will not be run by communists, but by voters and specialists. These words were for the West, like an awl in the ass. Stalin was not joking, he did not have such a habit of promising and not fulfilling. This is what narrow-minded people could not forgive and allow him.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 29 November 2020 20: 45
    +2
    But his emphasis on missile technology turned out to be advantageous for our defenses.

    And at whom did the development of rocket technology begin? Khrushch Kukuruzny was preparing for a global war, but for local conflicts - by no means, judging by the reduction of the army, aviation and navy under his rule. His main "achievement" is economic delusional ideas (virgin lands, economic councils) and a complete cessation of the development of ideology in the country. Well, one cannot call the ideology of prayer for each letter in the Collected Works of Marx, Engels and Lenin, written at a different time and on a different occasion.
    1. zenion
      zenion 18 January 2021 18: 49
      0
      By the way, according to the State Planning Committee, they worked until 1958, which included the construction of apartment buildings. Under Stalin, the development of not only nuclear weapons, but also delivery vehicles began. While it was in front of him and his companions, everything was nothing, and then everything went like an ox urinated on the road, a sinusoid with interruptions.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 28 November 2020 12: 42
    0
    The collective farmers did not have their own horses. They were collective farm. At that time no one took the cow and pigs from my father's parents.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 30 November 2020 12: 12
    0
    Khrushchev's voluntarism and illiteracy led to the collapse of agriculture. Collective farms, private farms that provided a quarter of meat and milk disappeared. All this led to a shortage of food in the country.
    For a long time now I am not sure that only these qualities moved Khrushchev. It seems to me that this is a planned destruction of the Stalinist legacy. And the struggle for power cannot explain all his moves. Again, who benefited from this? There is only one answer - to Western partners. So it's not such a fantastic idea. Didn't find any research in this direction. Maybe I was looking badly.
  • iouris
    iouris 27 November 2020 23: 31
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    I just don't have the strength to watch

    We were defeated. Woe to the vanquished.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 30 November 2020 12: 05
    +1
    Colleague, what do you want, what made our life better for our money, the Russian Federation? No! This will never happen. The task of the Russian Federation is to show that the USSR was a terrible country, that everything was bad there and only democracy will help citizens live well (not everyone, about 1%)! This is the main challenge. And since the legacy of the USSR still sticks out with destroyed factories (they worked), built cities, the remnants of space achievements, rusting ships and airplanes, then all this must be leveled, covered up. the reasons for the performances in Novocherkassk are not important to the director and the customer - it is important to show the cruelty and filth of the USSR and as unsightly as possible. As in all current "historical" films. The state order is being executed. The loot is being worked out. This is the whole creative "elite".
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 1 December 2020 12: 37
    0
    Regarding the Konchalovskys and others. Anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 27 November 2020 10: 07
    +6
    Konchalovsky's film is a clear Western order .. Generally not appropriate. It would be better to make a film about today's reality, but no .. they won't pay for it, but they will also give you a head in the head .. But in the video everything is told honestly.
    1. blackice
      blackice 27 November 2020 10: 21
      +9
      West?
      Oh?
      Was it not the sun-faced one who personally denounced the government of the USSR? Wasn't he singing about galoshes?
      And only the sun-faced with Onvamnedimon brought Russia out of the Middle Ages.
      So we can say with confidence in 148,5% that it was the Russian government that was the customer of this libel.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 27 November 2020 10: 50
        +3
        Quote: blackice
        West?
        Oh?
        Was it not the sun-faced one who personally denounced the government of the USSR? Wasn't he singing about galoshes?
        And only the sun-faced with Onvamnedimon brought Russia out of the Middle Ages.
        So we can say with confidence in 148,5% that it was the Russian government that was the customer of this libel.

        So they are in one bundle .. On the one hand, the West hates the USSR and is also afraid of our "elite". On this issue they have complete unanimity.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 November 2020 15: 03
        -6
        Quote: blackice
        Was it not the sun-faced one who personally denounced the government of the USSR? Wasn't he singing about galoshes?

        Have you tried watching the whole show? And not just that figuratively cropped excerpt that was sent with the training manual? wink
        There is only one paragraph in the cut-off speech:
        Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

        Why did you cut off the performance? Because then Putin is proud of other achievements of the Soviet regime.
        We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
        From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
        Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, which we are all proud of... These are nationwide achievements.
        But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

        But the fighters for the USSR prefer to keep silent about this - this does not fit into the template of "Putin's anti-Soviet".
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 27 November 2020 18: 52
          +8
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

          And why did he not immediately start with this speech, and somewhere at the end he mentioned in passing that we even supplied galoshes to Africa? A strange report - can you tell me that his speechwriters were framed to justify Putin? Or maybe you are not aware of how the reports are drawn up and in what order the sections follow if the report is made by the head of state? Like tearing a striped vest, but apparently they completely forgot "How our word will respond" ...
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 November 2020 23: 13
          +3
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Have you tried watching the whole show?

          Quote: Alexey RA
          But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

          Have been, have been. And they advised Putin to read the static directory of export-import of the USSR, where supplies of consumer goods from bicycles to cars, from cameras to televisions are given to capital countries.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 November 2020 13: 12
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But the fighters for the USSR prefer to keep silent about this - this does not fit into the template of "Putin's anti-Soviet".

          It fits into itself. On the one hand, it is necessary to drive the people over the ears, which is now much better for a hundred varieties of soy sausage and other Chinese junk with aliexpress, because it is not a bloody dull scoop and therefore we do not need communism, on the other hand, braces are urgently needed to somehow maintain the pants of sovereign democracy ... And the Soviet past, even in spite of the fact that almost 30 years have passed since the death of the USSR, is still a very powerful bond. Yes, and dear partners do not allow to get rid of a heavy legacy. Building the image of a permanent evil empire from the wreckage of the USSR. Such is the dialectic. Everything is quite logical, although from the outside it looks like schizophrenia.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 30 November 2020 16: 51
            0
            Yes, it all looks like that. Like the Red Banner of Victory past the draped Mausoleum. It looks like a shizu. But the Pepsi generation is "high". Hype is present, especially if there is something besides EG in the "piggy bank". Did you notice the entire planet is starting to look like Room # 6?
        4. blackice
          blackice 2 December 2020 01: 17
          0
          There are also the statements of the sun. For example: The leadership of the USSR since the VOR did not understand what it was doing, what it was building, how to raise the economy. But Dmitry Anatolyevich and I raised the country from its knees.
      3. Taga
        Taga 29 November 2020 08: 34
        0
        Oh well! Do not deviate from the truth! 146%. Smooth! Not necessarily the government. Just interested people. Foundations pay those who sing the "right songs".
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2020 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      Konchalovsky's film is clearly a Western order.

      Western or whose, but in any case "Ozetovsky" trace is here for sure.
  • prior
    prior 27 November 2020 10: 19
    +7
    Why, with each new film about Russia, the hatred of their creators only grows.
    Do I have one?
    I understood that they are leaders. But whether culture ....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2020 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: prior
      Why, with each new film about Russia, the hatred of their creators only grows.
      Do I have one?

      I think not one, many have the same question. The answer lies nearby, and it is the same as the question "How did the USSR collapse?" All those forces destroyed our country, and they thought "The Colossus has fallen and will not rise, now we are the masters of its land, resources and wealth." But it turned out that the Colossus rebelled, and now you need to bring it down again. All the same faces, the same forces began to do their dirty work again. All these forces were formed immediately after the October Revolution, and the forces are not only outside the country, and they are all the time, and there are no less of them in the country itself. And they work very competently, having huge resources. Look thoughtfully who owns the means defining politics, campaigning and means influencing the human consciousness, and who else exactly influences.
      1. Taga
        Taga 29 November 2020 08: 48
        +1
        The colossus was when power in the country belonged to the working class and the peasantry (albeit less and less over the years) and the deputies could be recalled. Now it is different, though, and zeroed the updated constitution "The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people."
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Why, with each new film about Russia, the hatred of their creators only grows.

      Well, not everything is so sad - for example, the films "Voroshilovsky Rifleman", "Brother", "Zhmurki", "Island" and some others that appeared in Russia inspire optimism and hope that not all cultural figures have sold themselves like Konchalovsky and his ilk.
  • Avior
    Avior 27 November 2020 10: 24
    +4
    The author has not discovered anything new

    Disparity in prices for agricultural and industrial products existed until the very end of the USSR.
    The village handed over products at reduced prices.
    The consequence is the shortage of many types of food on sale.
    Among other things, the quality also decreased, the collective farm-state farm was not interested in it, the price was set.
    All this stimulated the sale of products from private farms, as they said then, surplus, where the quality was noticeably higher.
    But it was not there. They fought against this, with money-grubbers, as they said then.
    The state created a system of purchasing at low prices from private traders in the countryside, and attempts to bypass this system were often fought very hard - they set up barriers and militia posts with vigilantes on the outskirts of the districts, where the "surplus" was intensively removed from household plots. Artificially limited the ability to grow products on personal plots, selected household plots.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 November 2020 13: 09
      +3
      Land plots were not taken away from collective farmers, but their area was often reduced, most often by decisions of collective farm boards. That is, they made it out as if the collective farmers themselves decided to do it. The size of the plots of state farm workers did not change. They could take away from some residents of regional centers, small towns, who were not collective farmers or state farm workers. Again, not everyone was taken away. It was not the collective farmers and not the state farm workers who suffered the most, but the residents of regional centers and cities who had plots, cows and pigs. They could have their cows taken away forcibly. More precisely, they were forced to either sell the cows to the state, or slaughter them and sell the meat.
      1. Avior
        Avior 28 November 2020 22: 22
        -2
        Even how they took it away.
        I personally know such a case. A village in the east of Ukraine, then famous for growing early vegetables. They deprived of a personal plot for money-grubbing, as they said then. I think they wrote down misuse, but I personally have not read this solution.
        They drove a tractor and, by the decision of the village council, plowed it up together with the harvest and built greenhouses.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 November 2020 00: 07
          +4
          But in this case, after all, not all villagers were taken away, but from a particular citizen? If the decision of the village council, then, most likely, it was not a collective farmer or a state farm worker. After all, teachers, school technicians, paramedics, postmen, club workers, district police officers, foresters, gamekeepers, railroad crawlers, shop assistants, tea workers, etc. lived in the villages and villages. Invalids, finally, or retirees who have returned to their homeland. These people had nothing to do with collective farms or state farms. In some villages there were distilleries or other small enterprises. Often, villagers worked in regional centers, for example, in a procurement office, at a gas station, at a railway station or depot, or at a bus station, in a mobile mechanized convoy or a district power station, or in nearby cities, or in a neighboring collective farm or state farm. Although the majority, of course, worked on collective or state farms.
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 November 2020 06: 42
            0
            Not everyone, of course.
            The household plots were under the jurisdiction of the village council, the state farms had nothing to do with them.
            Actually, there was not one state farm in the village, but several, the village was large.
            On the borders of the district, including field roads, there were posts and ambushes from vigilantes and militia.
            They were detained several times when leaving, and they also had problems with work, as far as I remember - they worked temporarily, in the autumn-winter period, in the spring they quit, in those days it was possible, there was always a shortage of workers.
            The income from vegetables on the personal plot gave a profit many times higher than the salary at the state farm or elsewhere.
            Although the work was hellish.
            1. zenion
              zenion 18 January 2021 20: 07
              0
              Avior (Sergey). This was done under Khrushchev, as in a fairy tale. There were two villages across the Bilaya River, one village was called Bila, the other village was called Galzhbiyevka. While they were separated, they fulfilled their "commitments" then they were united into one collective farm. And there everything went up and down. Then a song began, which began with the words - Galzhbivka, Bila, Los Angeles united into one collective farm. Miracles were happening at the corn-worker. Vinnytsia region in Ukraine, Yampolsky district. The village of Podlesovka. There the river flowed and the villagers decided to raise ducks. We bought ducklings and made a corral, where duckweed and ducks fed on their own, and in the evening they went to sleep in the duck house. Some horseradish instructor from the regional committee came and saw this case and said - no ducks, the country needs chicken eggs. And we did it ourselves, and this is not a collective farm, but a national one. Wolves flew in and that's it. No chickens, no ducks. They plowed up and broke.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 29 November 2020 00: 08
          +2
          I would not be surprised if a significant part of the villagers, or even the majority of them, supported this decision.
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 November 2020 06: 52
            -2
            Most of the village did the same. smile
            Except for the particularly lazy and drunkards.
            Not only in the village, but also in several other villages in the region.
            There is a site with a special microclimate where spring comes earlier, which made it possible to get early harvests of tomatoes and cucumbers without greenhouses.
            They simply came across less or exported less, some of the grown-ups were handed over to "procurement points" at reduced prices, it was more difficult for a worker to take it out to the city for sale in the markets, they took it all the way to Moscow, this is a few days of travel.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 27 November 2020 10: 29
    -6
    Doesn't it look like it since 1905? Only in 1962 there was no war and defeat. There is no difference between the general secretary and the king.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 November 2020 11: 01
      +3
      Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
      Doesn't it look like it since 1905? Only in 1962 there was no war and defeat.

      It looks like you've messed up "God's gift" with scrambled eggs.
      1. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 27 November 2020 11: 55
        0
        And what event do you think is God's gift? And secondly, I am not asserting, but asking.
        1. nnm
          nnm 27 November 2020 13: 57
          +5
          Well, at least that the same Khrushchev was peacefully replaced for a position to which the tsars clung until the moment when they were not propped up with bayonets in the ass. It is equally foolish to deny the existence of the power of the Soviets, which, as a rule, have long been formed not from the highest political power ...
          There were no wars, you say ... but can you tell me how our relations with China developed during the period of the National Assembly? Until now, in the stage of mutual distrust.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 28 November 2020 13: 21
            +1
            Do not forget that under Brezhnev, relations with China were worse than under Khrushchev. Brezhnev sincerely, although perhaps wrongly, considered Mao a maniac. It was about China that Khrushchev was not reproached when he was removed. On the other hand, you forget that, from the point of view of the current leadership of the PRC and the CPC, from 1958 to 1976 there was a period of turmoil in the PRC caused by a number of adventurous decisions of the then party and state leadership of the PRC. The policy of the "Great Leap Forward," then the "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution," and so on. If Malenkov or Molotov were in power, we would still quarrel with the then China. After all, many of Mao's ideas contradicted Stalin's ideas and in some ways were rather close to Trotskyism. And when economic reforms began in the late 70s, the Chinese began to use Bukharin's ideas. The Brezhnev leadership could not like this either.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 November 2020 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
          And what event do you think is God's gift?

          Different eras, different social systems, different motives for performances, and different driving forces behind these two different performances. In the latter case, the current government is to blame.
  • 1536
    1536 27 November 2020 10: 42
    +6
    There were so many events in the life of the USSR in the post-war period, both tragic and glorious, in all spheres of the country's life, but completely forgotten today, that I just want to ask these directors: isn't it time, good gentlemen, at least to change something in your mind, is there something to arrange "perestroika" in it, so that people become interested in watching your films? Or is all your "fig" stuffed into your pocket, all of you expect that somewhere someone will start to shoot someone for "pure national thoughts"? If only for dissatisfaction with filmmaking in the state ... It's amazing why there is still no state award in Russia in the form of the Order of Pop Gapon of three degrees?
    I apologize for the harshness, but today you can watch something in cinemas only for money, well, so that people are paid for coming to the cinema.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 27 November 2020 16: 04
      +4
      Rather than digging into old underwear, it would be better to shoot a movie about how prices are raised today and how our officials are evading economic regulation by indulging the oligarchy. repeat
      1. Taga
        Taga 29 November 2020 09: 12
        0
        No one wants to direct one (single) film ...
    2. Taga
      Taga 29 November 2020 09: 11
      0
      It is surprising why there is still no state award in the form of the Order of Pop Gapon of three degrees in Russia?

      Only if folk. Many filmmakers regularly receive money from the budget for their "masterpieces". It's amazing that Holiday was not sponsored.
  • Rzzz
    Rzzz 27 November 2020 10: 46
    +5
    The author, since the article was started, then in words could you duplicate it? Some technically do not have the ability to watch videos, and it takes more time.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 November 2020 16: 01
    +2
    At the very beginning, they say that the subsequent failures in agriculture were laid even before Stalin's death. 1947-1953 - these are constant reductions in food prices. The author speaks only of collective farms, but there were also state farms. They appeared in 1928. And their number was constantly increasing. In 1962, there was a crop failure in the virgin lands. They harvested as much grain as they sowed, and it was under Khrushchev that they ruined agriculture.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 27 November 2020 17: 02
    +4
    Khrushchev ruined agriculture. First, he enlarged the collective farms, then downsized them. He liquidated the MTS and forced the collective farms to buy agricultural machinery, then forbade the peasants to keep their livestock at home. Unplanned and without preliminary preparation ordered to plow the virgin lands. There, in the early years, they grew a lot of grain, but they lost a lot of the grown grain. There were no elevators, there were no protective forest belts, there were no roads for the volunteers, there were no virgin lands. The theory of Terenty Semenovich Maltsev about moldboard-free undercut plowing was ignored. As a result, prices not only for meat and butter jumped up, but bread also went up from 14 kopecks to 16 kopecks per loaf. Yes, and they gave me one at a time, after school they put me in line, because there were five of us in the family - grandfather, grandmother, mother, sister and me.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 27 November 2020 19: 03
      +7
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Khrushchev ruined agriculture. First, he enlarged the collective farms, then downsized them. He liquidated the MTS and forced the collective farms to buy agricultural machinery, then forbade the peasants to keep their livestock at home. Unplanned and without preliminary preparation ordered to plow the virgin lands.

      And where would we have got the funds for nuclear and space programs after the war, if not for imposing additional taxes on the population, including undermining the private sector in agriculture. Or the same loans that all officers were signed for at the time? Do you know that some of our millionaires lost their minds after the war, when Stalin carried out the currency reform and they were left with unsecured paper? So before reproaching any of the leaders, one must at least understand the whole picture of what was happening in the country during his reign, whether it was a tsar, emperor, general secretary or president, so as not to smear any of them with one paint.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 November 2020 13: 29
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      Yes, they did not completely forbid the collective farmers to keep cattle under Khrushchev. There were restrictions, which very often took shape as voluntary decisions of the collective farmers themselves. Likely they themselves decided so at meetings or at board meetings. There were never any restrictions on the bird, rabbits. One pig, several goats and sheep could be kept in the early 60s. Most of the problems were with the cows, there was pressure. Much depended on the local authorities, on their desire to fulfill any wishes of their superiors. In different regions, districts, the situation was somewhat different. We must also remember that the period of these restrictions was not very long, literally 3-4 years, then they were abandoned.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 November 2020 13: 41
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        Once again, I repeat, the residents of regional centers and cities, whose plots were reduced and most of whom were forbidden to keep cows, were most affected and were dissatisfied with Khrushchev. Although the actions of the authorities had their own logic. They believed that vegetable gardening and cattle breeding were uncommon for an urban lifestyle. But they ignored the fact that the traditions of truck farming and cattle breeding have been rooted in the everyday life of the inhabitants of our townships and cities for a long time. In addition, the food supply in small towns was worse than in regional centers, and often a vegetable garden and a cow were vital for the average resident of a regional center, a small, or even a medium-sized city.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 November 2020 16: 06
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      The first wave of consolidation of collective farms was under Stalin, at the turn of the 40-50s. Plus two waves under Khrushchev. Under Brezhnev, consolidation continued, but on a smaller scale, pointwise. While there was a general tendency towards consolidation, there were cases of downsizing under both Khrushchev and Brezhnev, but there were not many of them.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 27 November 2020 21: 19
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Konchalovsky's film is a clear Western order .. Generally not appropriate. It would be better to make a film about today's reality, but no .. they won't pay for it, but they will also give you a head in the head .. But in the video everything is told honestly.

    Colleague, this is not a Western, but its own, local "order", which is eloquently evidenced by the source of funding. hi
  • MAVr964
    MAVr964 28 November 2020 02: 31
    +2
    Respect for the author
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 November 2020 05: 44
    +2
    Not so long ago a film by A. Konchalovsky "Dear Comrades" was released. He tells about the events of early June 1962 in the city of Novocherkassk.

    What can a witness from Moscow tell about Novocherkassk?
    Do we need these speculations across an almost sixty year barrier of time? Most of the participants in the events died. The names of the organizers of the "rebellion", as well as the organizers of its suppression, are erased with paper dust ...
    Waste the talent given by nature on political showdowns and for what? For a prize that cannot be perceived unambiguously?
    And the worst thing about this farce:
    In 2020, Konchalovsky's film "Dear Comrades!" about the Novocherkassk execution in 1962 was nominated by Russia for an Oscar for the best international feature film.

    Truly, there is not a fictional story, which the new citizens of Russia "must" be proud of ...
  • anjey
    anjey 28 November 2020 12: 15
    +3
    Konchalovsky is a good director, but an adherent of the West to the marrow and many films of his deflection under the Western conjuncture, by the way Mikhalkov suffered the same in some of his "masterpieces", such as "Burnt by the Sun" ...
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 28 November 2020 13: 54
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    The most interesting thing, and this is Konchalovsky himself, noted that the majority of Novocherkassk residents did not retain memories of those events. And I would add that criminal, semi-criminal, hooligan elements of Novocherkassk took part in the protests, and some of the protesters really behaved provocatively towards the soldiers and policemen. By the way, while studying the material about the Poznan riots in Poland in 1956, about the riots on the Baltic coast in the same country at the end of 1970, I come to the conclusion that the tough actions of the Polish army and police were also partly (I emphasize: partly) caused by the provocative behavior of some of the protesters ...
  • prelovskij
    prelovskij 28 November 2020 20: 41
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    All the same, the USSR won the Cold War over the West. Evidence in the story "The Key to Democracy" http://www.litsovet.ru/index.php/material.read?material_id=568627
    The main point of this story cannot be explained in another language. Try it. This can only be done by me and my descendants. Yes, the guys are democrats.
  • Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 29 November 2020 04: 17
    -1
    Yes, it was a showdown at the top! Where did the provocateurs come from that killed the police and soldiers? Where did they get their weapons, and even in quantities clearly exceeding the "selected". Why were these provocateurs shot so quickly, and the cases were classified? Everything is still classified! Isn't it because someone wanted to kick Khrushch off the throne even earlier ?, but they failed.
  • Taga
    Taga 29 November 2020 08: 03
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    Everything seems to be based on three whales.
    They were filmed according to secret documents.
    You do not understand, this is different!
    I am an artist, as I see it!
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 29 November 2020 10: 42
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    The main mistake of the Soviet regime was the abolition of the NEP.

    All these administrative regulation of purchasing, wholesale and market prices are only harmful. This has not done anything good in any country. And in the USSR, as a result, it led to a shortage of everything, even toilet paper.

    Small and medium-sized businesses had to be allowed, and this would give more freedom to people and more goods.

    The USSR could have followed the Chinese path, where there is both communist ideology and market relations, which is why China is developing so rapidly. They took the best of both systems.

    The management of the CPSU by the state is a shame and shame, which turned into a split of the country into parts !!!

    The successors of the CPSU must admit all mistakes and draw the right conclusions, and not talk nonsense about past "merits."
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 29 November 2020 20: 55
      +2
      The main mistake of the Soviet regime was the abolition of the NEP.

      By the end of the 20s, NEP had outlived its usefulness. Not a single NEPman would give money either for DneproGES, or for Magnitka, or for Komsomolsk-on-Amur. And the Ryazn Radio Engineering Institute would not build.
    2. zenion
      zenion 18 January 2021 20: 14
      -3
      So small businesses were allowed and they were artels. They sold money to the bank, an agreement with the financial department. Moreover, there were homeworkers who took a license from the financial department and paid taxes. Those who lived by the river began to grow tomatoes, cucumbers and other things in the gardens. Those who lived on the slopes of the mountain grew grapes, planted gardens. A commission came to look at the site and set taxes. The bazaar always had fresh vegetables and fruits from the garden. Khrushchev did not like it, because the party did not control them. Banned, broke everything, uprooted.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 30 November 2020 10: 24
    +1
    Our filmmakers, and indeed the entire "culture", need not Medynsky, but Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov. To disperse all this gopa with ... mi rags, to close these centers of culture, endless Vgiki and Gytis, crowds of graduates hang out at children's matinees and consider themselves bearers of higher ideas ... send all veterans of the director's workshop to an honorable the prohibition to approach the funds at 500 meters. In short, shake it up and destroy it, because what we have in the cinema is NOT MISSING. For the most part, these are people who are not very loyal to the country in which they live and with whose money they rent and stage their "masterpieces". After all this "perestroika" with a decrease in the number of geniuses of "thaw and thaw 2", "perestroika", the introduction of reporting for money received from state funds, "serdyuk" from culture, it changes to Shoigu. Only he, having transferred the army into good hands, will be able to continue these undertakings. The flogged "masters of thoughts" who were pretty emaciated by that time, instantly realize that "You can't live like this any longer" and, scratching their emaciated and flogged asses, bow to the belt with the muttering "We will remember ourselves and punish the children." And everything becomes perfect. The "intelligentsia", having received an enema with gramophone needles, finally realizes "that din and sedition in no case can be tolerated as" permanent "(Saltykov Shchedrin) and begins to sculpt the right films using the example of Hollywood. And for Khodarkovsky and other dudes, they are directors, they continue to shoot auteur films, but only at their own expense. How do you? Call Serdyukov? He and the songwriter have their own with slippers!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 30 November 2020 11: 59
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      Quote: Petrik66
      Our filmmakers, and indeed the entire "culture", need not Medynsky, but Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov.

      I agree with your concept, although people like Serdyukov cannot be allowed anywhere at all - they will burn out on broads ...
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 30 November 2020 13: 02
        +1
        I disagree. Let the women be, not the boys. Again, it will change the trend in our art.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 30 November 2020 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: Petrik66
          Let the women be, not the boys. Again, it will change the trend in our art.

          Conceptually, it will be even worse than with Furtseva - she was of the correct orientation, and as they say she was staring at the men, right up to the General Secretary ...
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 November 2020 13: 19
    +1
    Quote: tihonmarine
    And here you are protecting this idiot pest.

    To Khrushchev's complaint to Stalin that out of 17-18 thousand people subject to repression according to the lists prepared monthly in Ukraine, Moscow confirms only 2-3 thousand! Stalin replied - "Calm down d ..... k!" And how many convicted Bandera bastards Khrushchev released from prison when he came to power, and she now rules in Ukraine? How much evil and harm this weasel brought our country, sly semi-literate tyrant! It is a pity that Joseph did not deal with him back in 1942 according to the laws of wartime after one of the largest defeats of the Red Army near Kharkov, where more than 250 thousand of our soldiers were taken prisoner, one of the authors of which was Khrushchev!
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 30 November 2020 15: 50
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      Then Rodion Yakovlevich Malinovsky, the winner of Zhukov, would have been mixed.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 30 November 2020 17: 18
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        Animal instincts, super resourcefulness. After all, he survived, sat down, waited a minute and struck. Nikita is an example of a party nomenklatura. And yet, one cannot but agree, a breakthrough in rocket technology and the space program is not profane, a foe. But he could well, resting on the laurels of "victory over Stalinism." There was enough vanity and a bit of intelligence.