Japanese longing for the Kuril Islands: Tokyo continues to wait for a "new Gorbachev" in Russia

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The issue of the "return of the Japanese northern territories", which are actually the Russian South Kuriles, in the Land of the Rising Sun does not lose its relevance, despite the years wasted in negotiations with Moscow, or the objective reality, which directly indicates that this "mission »Is categorically impracticable. Certain forces in Japanese politics and society continue to support these "phantom pains". What for?

The recent incident that happened to the employees of the Minusinsk Museum of Local Lore can be considered very indicative in this context. There they were so glad about the bright and colorful magazines received as a gift from the Deputy Consul of Japan who visited this cultural institution that they did not immediately notice the "small detail" of one of the geographical maps published in them. It depicts Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai islands as part of Japanese territory. As for the rest, everything is very beautiful ...



The director of the museum, who came to his senses in time, indignantly called what he saw “materials aimed at rewriting stories". By the way, very interesting. why "enemy intrigues" were found only in Minusinsk - this printing product was printed by the Japanese embassy, ​​as it was established, in Moscow .. certainly is not a personal initiative of Japanese diplomats at all, but only a link in Tokyo's state policy regarding the Kuriles.

No matter how many Russian officials, right up to the president, have made clear and unambiguous statements stating that there can be no question of transferring these islands to Japan, nothing has changed. No matter how many legislative decisions on this matter are adopted in our country - up to the level of the Constitution, where the provision is inscribed that alienation of any parts of Russian territory is not allowed in any case, talk about the "northern territories" in Tokyo does not subside. Maybe the point is also in our vague formulations about "cases with border demarcation and delimitation."

Each new prime minister of Japan begins his activities with a promise, almost an oath "to put an end to the Kuril issue."

Soon, perhaps, it will be possible to introduce this into the official ceremony of appointing the head of government there ... There is a sense - since more than one generation of Japanese politicians will “resolve the issue” in the way it is done now. I really want to believe that Russia will never see a second Gorbachev or a second Yeltsin, who really could have given them the islands that are part of our national heritage and part of our Victory. But the fact of the matter is that we rely exclusively on the personality of the leader, realizing that theoretically there is still a danger of someone who may come to power by another "perestroika" ...

Japan also understands this. And this is also why the Japanese media persistently continue to exaggerate this topic, trying through its prism to consider and evaluate the activities of the leaders of their country. "Did the new prime minister, Yoshihida Suge, defend his position on the" northern territories "tough enough in his first telephone conversation with Vladimir Putin?" - is keenly interested in Yahoo News Japan. "Does the current government really intend to" push into the far corner "the problem of the Kuril Islands?" - asks Hokkaido Shimbun angrily, reminding all of its readers that Japan "has only one clear goal - the unconditional return of all these islands to one."

In general, the Japanese message is this: With Putin, everything is clear, so we will continue to wait for a "new Gorbachev" in Russia ... A kind of Japanese melancholy, stretching over decades ...

There is no doubt that on December 1 in Tokyo the now traditional rally "for the return of the northern territories" will again take place. Usually, these gatherings are not very crowded, but they are invariably attended by politicians and government officials who continue to scatter promises to "do not fold hands", "to keep fighting" and "to do everything possible." At the same time, it is very likely that both sides of the negotiation process today are well aware of the realities, in accordance with which the ownership of the Kuril Islands cannot and will not be changed.

However, to all appearances, a topic that is so “hot” for the people of both countries will not be removed from the agenda, which allows their leading politicians to show themselves as “irreconcilable fighters for national interests” without much effort and expense.
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  1. nnm
    +18
    27 November 2020 16: 09
    Looking at our political elite (if you can call it that), one cannot avoid the likelihood of the arrival of a new Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Here I am looking today at the tweet of Chubais, bitterly crying about the death of Wolfinson, who was killing the financial and credit system of Russia, and I understand that there is no way to relax.
    1. +10
      27 November 2020 16: 36
      Quote: nnm
      Looking at our political elite (if you can call it that), one cannot avoid the likelihood of the arrival of a new Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Here I am looking today at the tweet of Chubais, bitterly crying about the death of Wolfinson, who was killing the financial and credit system of Russia, and I understand that there is no way to relax.

      Yes, that's for sure! You will definitely not get bored with our Russian "elite"!
      This is also a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in St. Petersburg!
      And the repentant speeches of Russian schoolchildren from Novy Urengoy to German deputies in the Bundestag of the Federal Republic of Germany about the "innocent" German invaders during the Second World War!
      And much more.
      1. 0
        27 November 2020 16: 49
        The memorial plaque to Mannerheim was dismantled long ago.
        1. +18
          27 November 2020 17: 16
          The memorial plaque to Mannerheim was dismantled long ago.

          And Kolya from Urengoy was left brainwashed ... and something needs to be done about it.
          1. +12
            27 November 2020 17: 28
            Quote: El Dorado
            The memorial plaque to Mannerheim was dismantled long ago.

            Yes, dismantled, but precisely at the request of the indignant townspeople - the descendants of the City of the Hero of the Second World War - Leningrad!
            And who opened the memorial plaque to Mannerham? At that time the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Medinsky and the head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation Sergey Ivanov !!!
            And they are still in power "above"!

            REFERENCE
            Medina - Aide to the President of the Russian Federation from January 24, 2020.
            Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation from May 21, 2012 to January 15, 2020.
            Sergey Ivanov - Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation on environmental protection, ecology and transport. Permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.
            Head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation. December 22, 2011 - August 12, 2016

            A memorial plaque to Mannerheim was opened in St. Petersburg. 16 June 2016


            And these are the fruits of the anti-patriotic liberal education of the young generation of the Russian Federation.
            1. +3
              27 November 2020 17: 46
              Shame ...
            2. +1
              27 November 2020 17: 55
              Tatiana, as such commentators write, do not slander "his Motherland". smile
              1. +2
                27 November 2020 19: 45
                Quote: parusnik
                Tatiana, as such commentators write, do not slander "his Motherland". smile

                There are a lot of USE victims.
                1. +6
                  27 November 2020 20: 36
                  hi
                  Quote: Svarog
                  There are a lot of USE victims.

                  They don't get divorced by themselves. They are beneficial to the state, it raises them, cherishes and cherishes. Take a look at the school textbook on social studies, you will see where they come from.
          2. +13
            27 November 2020 18: 07
            The author correctly raises the problem. Never say never. New. tagged may well end up in the Kremlin. A generation is growing up with the brainwashed, without the core of love for the Motherland, but with the core of love for the dollar. Let's remember that year 1980, the whole huge country was proud of its successes, held the Olympics ... And ten years later it was gone ...
            1. +16
              27 November 2020 18: 59
              Quote: 210ox
              The author correctly raises the problem

              The fact of the matter is that our political system is quite vulnerable, since
              we rely solely on the personality of the leader, realizing that theoretically there is still a danger of the one who may come to power by the next "perestroika"

              Much depends on the actions of ONE person
          3. +1
            27 November 2020 22: 50
            Well, let them wait, wait! laughing A snapshot under the title of an article from Yuzhnokurilsk seems to be.
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        3. +5
          27 November 2020 17: 48
          Why dismantle something that you could not hang at all? laughing
        4. +8
          27 November 2020 19: 44
          Quote: El Dorado
          The memorial plaque to Mannerheim was dismantled long ago.

          Have those responsible been punished? Or dismantled only because of public outrage?
    2. +6
      27 November 2020 16: 48
      Looking at our political elite (if you can call it that), one cannot avoid the likelihood of the arrival of a new Gorbachev or Yeltsin.

      The trouble is that he will definitely come ...
      The role of personality in history has never been canceled. And this year will surely come and Russia will get more and more.
    3. +6
      27 November 2020 17: 48
      ... the system of Russia and I understand that there is no way to relax.

      You really can't relax. But bad luck, the population of the east of the country is melting at a steady pace, like March snow.
      The Sakhalin Region has lost 30% of its population over 31,9 years, and the process continues ...
      Not an inch of native land ... This is the law.
      But who will live (in another 30 years) in the endless Siberian and Eastern expanses? I am a holy place, as you know, it is never empty.
      1. 0
        28 November 2020 18: 37
        As everyone lived, they will continue to live - just the population of large cities will increase, and yes, our permafrost and temperature drops from plus 50 to minus 50 are fucking unnecessary for anyone.
    4. +3
      27 November 2020 17: 53
      I understand that there is no way to relax.
      ..the government will relax and have fun. Not the first time. laughing
    5. 0
      27 November 2020 19: 25
      Let the Japanese organize "marches for the return of the northern territories", print provocative maps in glossy magazines, make themselves hara-kiri in the square in protest - they will get a hole from a donut, not the southern Kuriles ...
      You can take whatever you like to the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, for which (or against) we recently voted, but one amendment should knock out the neosamurai not in a childish way ...
      Amendment on the inalienability of Russian lands.
      And now and ever ...
      Let them get Russian citizenship and move to live on our Kuril Islands ...
      Since they cannot live without them ...
    6. 0
      27 November 2020 19: 37
      Quote: nnm
      Here I am looking today at the tweet of Chubais, bitterly crying about the death of Wolfinson, who was killing the financial and credit system of Russia, and I understand that there is no way to relax.

      So far there are such Chubuays - "Ozetites".
    7. +2
      27 November 2020 19: 43
      Quote: nnm
      Looking at our political elite (if you can call it that), one cannot avoid the likelihood of the arrival of a new Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Here I am looking today at the tweet of Chubais, bitterly crying about the death of Wolfinson, who was killing the financial and credit system of Russia, and I understand that there is no way to relax.

      After Nicholas, (Kerensky does not count) there was Lenin, and then Stalin .. history develops in a spiral and everything repeats itself .. I think that the Japanese will soon forget about the islands altogether ..
    8. +4
      27 November 2020 20: 30
      Quote: nnm
      Here I am looking today at the tweet of Chubais, bitterly crying about the death of Wolfinson, who was killing the financial and credit system of Russia, and I understand that there is no way to relax.

      All our "elite", this is the "collective Chubais". Why is Abramovich and Potanin better than Chubais? Who is guarding their interests today? Whose interests does the country's leadership express?
  2. +3
    27 November 2020 16: 10
    Samurai are waiting for another traitor like a hump or boriski sad
    And the people of Russia are more and more inclined to believe that a tough ruler is needed, like Stalin hi
    So the Japs might not wait
    Rather, they will not wait! hi
    1. +1
      27 November 2020 16: 22
      Quote: VORON538
      need a tough ruler

      What will he manage?
      1. +1
        27 November 2020 16: 35
        Russia, and maybe the Russian Empire
        It will be whatever you want to call the state, which has been handed over to the ruler, the people! hi
      2. +5
        27 November 2020 17: 37
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: VORON538
        need a tough ruler

        What will he manage?

        If it comes in 50 years, then nothing. By this time, everything will be completely torn apart ...
        He is needed yesterday, or, in extreme cases, today.
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    3. -1
      27 November 2020 19: 46
      Quote: VORON538
      Samurai are waiting for another traitor like a hump or boriski

      Shevarnazov and Khrushchev, and Alexander II is no better.
    4. +8
      27 November 2020 20: 45
      Quote: VORON538
      And the people of Russia are more and more inclined to believe that a tough ruler is needed, like Stalin

      Stalin may have been a tough person, but this is not his main quality. The people are not waiting for a tough ruler, but for a welfare state, with a responsible leader at the head, demanding as much from others as from himself.
      1. -2
        28 November 2020 01: 39
        I somehow like a clever ruler who does not make mistakes in millions of lives. hi
  3. +11
    27 November 2020 16: 23
    It is regrettable that our "competent authorities" do not catch mice.
    He took his granddaughter to Helen Doron English school.
    On the wall hangs a huge, stylized world map showing the countries and cities where this organization is present.
    There is a lot of it in Russia.
    The only thing that draws attention is that on the map the Kuril Islands and the Crimea are not painted in the same color as the rest of Russia.
    The islands in the Arctic Ocean are also different from the main color.
    I say to the director - this is a criminal offense. Not recognizing the territorial integrity of our country.
    Made round eyes. Like scared.
    But she didn't withdraw the card.
    I think that in any city where this organization is located, there are such maps on the walls, made, by the way, in Israel.
    Perhaps the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs need to go over and over-fulfill the plan for solving serious crimes in Russia before the New Year.
    At the same time, you can ask this school to leave our market.
    Let it propagandize in other countries the admissibility of rejection and annexation.
    1. +1
      28 November 2020 01: 41
      Undoubtedly, liquidate the school as an agent of influence. negative
      1. -3
        28 November 2020 06: 11
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Undoubtedly, liquidate the school as an agent of influence. negative

        Where will the demanded granddaughters and children be taken? .. exclusively for the preparation of future Russian intelligence officers)). laughing
  4. +5
    27 November 2020 16: 28
    In the pact of Japan's surrender in 1945, there was a clause on the abandonment of all occupied territories. But Japan does not consider the South Kurils and South Sakhalin to be occupied, but obtained as a result of victory in the Russo-Japanese War. That's just how they distinguish occupation from gaining as a result of victory in the Russo-Japanese War (and before the war, these territories were not part of Japan) , after all, Russia did not sign the pact of surrender in 1905? After all, then both sides were unable to continue the war. Russia suffered irreparable losses at sea, Japan suffered irreparable losses in the ground army. So was Japan's victory?
    1. +2
      27 November 2020 23: 41
      ... But Japan does not consider the South Kuriles and South Sakhalin as occupied

      In fact, Japan, based on the texts of the Russian-Japanese treaties, does not consider the South Kurils to be the Kurils.
      1. 0
        28 November 2020 01: 46
        It is possible that in Japan some still consider the lost Japanese territories, which must be returned to Korea and Manchuria, and the territories occupied by this country during the Second World War ... But these people should just be treated, and not elected prime ministers and deputies to parliament. hi
  5. -2
    27 November 2020 16: 29
    Soon it will probably be possible to introduce it into the official ceremony of appointing the head of government there ...

    But when will they settle down ...
  6. +4
    27 November 2020 16: 43
    in Tokyo continue to wait for the "new Gorbachev" in Russia

    By anyone, the next president will not be bald ... Most likely he will be like Stalin ...
    1. +5
      27 November 2020 18: 40
      Colleague ROSS 42, you're kidding ...
      The Constitution is a document not only for internal use, but also for external use. As a result, it does not allow double interpretations and vague formulations. Remember how we fought here against all these "demarcations - delimitations" for the unequivocal "indivisible!" Indivisible under no circumstances. There were those who condescendingly criticized the adherents of a categorical definition of ignorance. But the point is not demarcation-delimitation. The fact is that the presence of any seemingly innocuous clause in an article of the Constitution, regardless of the specific content of that clause, is a clue, an invitation to the leadership of Russia, which refused someone under a constitutional article, above which there is nothing to be cannot, - this leadership was thrown by outsiders with unrelenting fervor the demanding "Give!" Give due to the presence of a reservation in that article, I repeat, regardless of its content. They demanded and believed that the refusal rests only on the price of the issue.
      This is how the article of the Constitution really should have looked:

      "Russia is indivisible!"

      There is no place in the Constitution for technical issues such as demarcation under a delimitation treaty. These questions should be raised only in force majeure historical circumstances. In other cases, the claimant to our territory should be poked into the article "Russia is indivisible!" and treat his demands as an act of aggression.
      The days of decent diplomacy are long gone. Diplomacy is now an oriental bazaar, who shouts over whom. But when there is a taboo, everyone silently observes it.
      1. +4
        27 November 2020 23: 41
        Mr. government and without any reservations insolently violate the constitution. Take at least a recent case about the non-involvement of some persons. They directly violate Article 19 of the Constitution. So they decide to give it back and don't ask anyone
        1. +1
          28 November 2020 01: 31
          Colleague Laperuse, that's right.
          But there is one more thing. The ambiguity in the Constitution seems to hint that the question of the Kuril Islands depends on who is currently running us. Like, while I am in power, the Kuril Islands are ours, and someone else will come ... So, voter, draw a conclusion and hold on to me.
          I believe that so much noise around the Kuriles is already pre-election campaigning. You will say that it is still far from 24 years old. This is for us. And some have already taken care, the Duma members have just passed a law allowing that "some" to go to a new election. But then, after the election, at least "someone", even though his protégé, may be as you say.
          1. +4
            28 November 2020 05: 56
            I live in the Sakhalin Region and have been to the Kuriles more than once. And all these slogans from a dead donkey's ears and not the Kuril Islands somehow do not suit the inhabitants. Thanks to the officials appointed from Moscow, our region has a budget deficit for the first time in 20 years !!! What is it like?!!! Moscow zazhralis !!! By the way, separatist tendencies in the Far East are very pronounced. So the creation of a FER is quite possible. Honestly, I stopped understanding the authorities ... They are doing everything to destroy the country
    2. +2
      27 November 2020 19: 52
      Quote: ROSS 42
      in Tokyo continue to wait for the "new Gorbachev" in Russia

      By anyone, the next president will not be bald ... Most likely he will be like Stalin ...

      Stalin was not bald, there was also Kerensky ... therefore Stalin will come a little later)
    3. +1
      28 November 2020 06: 36
      Quote: ROSS 42
      in Tokyo continue to wait for the "new Gorbachev" in Russia

      By anyone, the next president will not be bald ... Most likely he will be like Stalin ...

      And where did Vladimir Ilyich go from the scheme? -he did not stand out for being curly .. wink Then Stalin ... hi
  7. +3
    27 November 2020 16: 49
    I don't want to guess oh, because .... because.
  8. +7
    27 November 2020 17: 11
    I really want to believe that Russia will never see a second Gorbachev or a second Yeltsin, who really could have given them the islands that are part of our national heritage and part of our Victory.
    Well, of course I want to believe, but who knows what will happen next? After all, Damansky is drenched in blood and Big Ussuri is now with the Chinese ...
  9. +7
    27 November 2020 19: 08
    How many Russian officials, including the president, have made clear and unambiguous statements stating that the transfer of these islands to Japan is out of the question ...

    The Foreign Minister recalled that Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union and therefore recognizes the 1956 Declaration of the year, according to which the country is ready to transfer the two islands only after the conclusion of a peace treaty. “So far, everything depends on the unwillingness of our Japanese colleagues to recognize the results of the Second World War, thereby preventing the signing of a peace treaty. I don’t think the situation is deadlock, ”Lavrov said.
    Is this an unambiguous statement that the transfer of the islands is out of the question?
    The Foreign Minister also cheated, referring to the legal succession of the Russian Federation from the USSR. The 1965 declaration was formally canceled by the USSR in 1970. It is unlikely that Lavrov did not know about this.
    No matter how many legislative decisions on this matter are adopted in our country - up to the level of the Constitution,

    Oh oh!. Found an obstacle! Our constitution and laws can be changed once or twice, which was demonstrated in July. In addition, the amendments were drawn up so that today they are an integral part, and tomorrow they fall under demarcation.
    But the fact of the matter is that we rely exclusively on the personality of the leader, realizing that theoretically there is still a danger of someone who may come to power by another "perestroika" ...

    If the laws are respected in the country, and first of all, by the elites, the problem that someone will transfer something is minimized. If the law in the country is like a tongue, even if the basic law is rewritten to please some person or a certain group, everything is possible. Even the most incredible.
    1. 0
      27 November 2020 23: 47
      The 1965 declaration was officially repealed by the USSR in 1970.

      What are you talking about.?
      The declaration was ratified, but nothing is known about it
      And how could it be canceled?
      1. +1
        28 November 2020 17: 49
        I have a mistake: the declaration, of course, from 1956, and the refusal to fulfill it in the Aide Memoire of the Soviet Government of January 27, 1960. After that, the Union did not conduct any negotiations on the topic of territories with the Yapas until Putin and Lavrov began to burn. The Foreign Ministry doesn't want to notice this document.
        1. +2
          28 November 2020 22: 11
          There is not a refusal, and not a cancellation, all the more, but a statement that there is a temporary suspension of execution.
          ... In view of this, the Soviet government considers it necessary to declare that only on the condition of the withdrawal of all foreign troops from the territory of Japan and the signing of a peace treaty between the USSR and Japan, the islands of Habomai and Shikotan will be transferred to Japan, as provided for by the Joint Declaration of the USSR and Japan of October 19, 1956.

          That is, the declaration has not been abandoned, it is valid.
          And the memo is not a treaty like the 1956 declaration.

          After that, there was a joint statement in 1973 about the work on the conclusion of the contract.
  10. +1
    27 November 2020 19: 36
    did not immediately notice the "small detail" of one of the maps published in them. It depicts Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai islands as part of Japanese territory.
    The person is weak, he throws himself at every candy wrapper, at a beautiful magazine. But the question "Well, why is he gentle to you." You don't even use the toilet, and you can't light the stove.
  11. +1
    27 November 2020 19: 53
    Japanese politicians will certainly yelp for the Kuril Islands from time to time, as well as persist in waiting for a miracle. But objectively in military terms, they will sit very quietly under a broom sandwiched between China and we will have to lose more. Perhaps they will wait like this in 300 years when the time comes for continental pupation of countries and economies
  12. +1
    27 November 2020 20: 18
    The Armenian radio was asked the question: Why does every new prime minister of Japan begin his activities with a promise, almost with an oath "to put an end to the Kuril issue"?
    After a pause, the Armenian radio replied: This is not news, this is a national Japanese tradition. The most favorite part of the Japanese sushi is the Kuril Islands
  13. 0
    27 November 2020 21: 16
    I'll be honest ...
    Can we assimilate the Japanese using German technology? The Tatar (with a Russian soul) is ready to rush to the Japanese embrasures ... Tolstoy is not offered.
  14. 0
    27 November 2020 21: 28
    Well, yes, one must think ... After all, such cadres as the same Khrushchev and Gorbachev, as well as Yeltsin, could appear right from the depths of the Soviet system, which was deeply antagonistic to the captive camp?
    And ... "Well, we are friends" (to the question of money from the FRG for unification), or "God bless America" ​​from the lips of a member of the CPSU Central Committee.
    This is where laws are needed, immediate and automatic impeachment for such precedents.
    But we need to start with the fact that there should be a trial over the already committed crimes of the leaders of the state, so that the future understands that they will not hide from this in the grave.
  15. +1
    27 November 2020 22: 13
    Let them wait!
  16. 0
    28 November 2020 12: 25
    "Old" is still working.
  17. +1
    30 November 2020 00: 49
    Japan itself is very vulnerable. Over-concentration of the economy and population. Almost half of the population lives on one tenth of the country's territory. In the event of a massive strike, the consequences for the Japanese people would be disastrous. Plus, most of the territory is located in a seismic zone. And their agriculture is surprisingly weak for such a developed country. Plus dependence on imports of raw materials. And by the way, service in the Self-Defense Forces is extremely unpopular among young people. With demography, they are also not all right, however, like ours. In general, there is a feeling that other East Asian peoples - Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Indonesians - consider the Japanese, how to put it decently ... let's just say, a little crazy.
  18. +1
    1 December 2020 10: 46
    Now it’s impossible to say something like that, because a dictatorship ... but I don’t share the author’s opinion that someone has to wait ... the current president has forgiven and presented a lot to whom ... and I don’t think that he is such a direct patriot. .. it's just that the topic is too well known to the people, that's why it just didn't convey