After the recognition of Karabakh, the French Senate should logically recognize Donbass and Crimea

In the photo, the Crimean bridge under construction

The deputies of the French Senate almost unanimously (305 votes out of 306) voted for the recognition of Karabakh's independence. This resolution has no legal force yet, because the final decision on this issue is made by the government. But with a high degree of probability, the French government should listen to the opinion of its people's representatives.

In this case, France may become the first country in the world to recognize the independence of the Republic of Artsakh with a predominantly Armenian population. It may seem strange that Paris will do this earlier than Yerevan. But, on the other hand, who, if not freedom-loving France, should set an example to everyone else, demonstrating its adherence to the right of peoples to self-determination and free expression of will.

After all, the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh firmly declared more than 30 years ago that they intend to build an independent state, and not be a part of Azerbaijan.

Actually, the position is laudable, although not everyone is ready to share it. For example, Baku reacted to the resolution of the French deputies with great indignation, which is not surprising.

And if Paris is committed to the ideals of freedom, equality and brotherhood proclaimed by the Great French Revolution, and respects human rights, in particular, the right to self-determination, then you need to go to the end, be consistent in your political actions.

I mean that after the recognition of Karabakh, the French must recognize Donbass and Crimea. And even the fact that Russia has not yet decided to officially recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, should not stop Paris in its noble aspirations. After all, the non-recognition of Artsakh by Armenia does not stop the French!

The people of Donbass in 2014 unequivocally spoke in a referendum for independence from Ukraine. However, like the people of Crimea, whose residents overwhelmingly voted in favor of joining Russia.

So the French should go all the way and become an example for others, recognizing the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation, as well as the independence of the Donbass republics.

However, the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Mikhail Sheremet also believes.

If the French authorities really care about the choice and self-determination of people, if their position on respecting democratic values ​​and aspirations of other peoples is really sincere, and not a well-thought-out political game, then the recognition of the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh should be followed by the adoption of a resolution recognizing the status of Crimea.

- he said RIA News.

But the deputy, although he finds this step logical, does not really believe that Paris will take it. Moreover, he believes that such statements from France once again stir up passions and help fuel the conflict in this troubled Transcaucasian region.

Probably, it would be more correct for the French to wait for the recognition of Artsakh's independence at least by Yerevan. However, like the recognition of the DPR / LPR by Moscow ...

Comments

[Svarog]

After the recognition of Karabakh, the French Senate should logically recognize Donbass and Crimea

Logic does not work here .. it is selective for them and works where it is profitable.

[Pereira]

The Armenian diaspora began to cough, the deputies, like honest people, worked hard. I see no other meaning of the resolution.
And the 306th requested too much and did not receive anything at all.

[Temples]

Actually, the position is laudable, although not everyone is ready to share it.

Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Tribalts and other fragments also took a commendable position after separating from our country?
In fact, they stole the land.
And one more fact - the boundaries of these formations were drawn in the USSR.
Refuse Russia from recognizing these borders and all these formations will burst. These understates will be torn to pieces.

Why now journalists and other writing fraternity have taken the fashion of speaking without passing words through the brain?

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Temples

Ukraine, Kazakhstan, tribalts and other fragments also took a commendable position by separating from our country

They did not separate from the Russian Federation. (Note the attitude to the correctness of the spelling of the countries, not great-power chauvinism)

Quote: Temples

In fact, they stole the land.

their-recognized by the world (including the Russian Federation), stolen? Words are just emotions.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

After the recognition of Karabakh, France - as a decent and consistent country - necessarily must recognize not only Crimea and Donbass, but also Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia !!!

[hrych]

Quote: Pereira

diaspora coughed

There is more of an attempt to seize the initiative from Russia, but belated and even stupid. They are saving Pashinyan's regime with all available forces. They say the West will help us, the West is with us ... But the regime cannot be saved, even if it holds out, but it will always be weak and helpless. There is no way to kick our troops out. The Armenians were very strained by the possibility of a Turkish invasion and the CSTO guarantees got under the skin. The diaspora was hysterical, but never achieved anything when it was relevant. The Turks were ready to feed, but it was okay to remain silent, but that Russia had grown wildly, there was no strength to remain silent. So they gave it out. The funny thing is that it brings us closer to Baku and the Turks, strengthening our position. Karabakh people are already tired of fighting in order to violate the status quo. Again, the privatization of the NKR Defense Army is again sooner for us. What they do not do, everyone goes to our mill, for they have lost their scent.

[sav]

Quote: Svarog

Logic does not work here ... it is selective for them and works where it is profitable

Double Standards Policy ...

[credo]

Quote: Svarog

After the recognition of Karabakh, the French Senate should logically recognize Donbass and Crimea

Logic does not work here .. it is selective for them and works where it is profitable.

What recognition? What does the logic have to do with it?
No matter how anyone treats Aliyev, he correctly noted that this is just a piece of paper that has no legal force. Here I completely agree with him.
For some reason, no one asks why this topic suddenly surfaced almost 30 years later, after the Armenians occupied the regions around Karabakh and seemed to be counting on the recognition of its independence. Neither the Armenians of Karabakh proper, nor the Armenians of Armenia, nor the numerous Armenian diasporas in other countries of the world have ever bothered to resolve this issue cardinally for 30 years, not to mention France itself or the United States. And then the French Senate woke up and adopted something there, at the end of the military campaign. Why would it suddenly?
Apparently, the frogs considered themselves offended by Russia, which for some reason did not involve them in the discussion of the agreement, and therefore accept insignificant appeals to show their concern for the Armenians, at the same time kicking the Turks and Erdogan personally a little and reminding Russia that France is a very important "partner".
So-so concern for the Armenians, after several thousand of them died and Karabakh almost ceased to exist for the Armenians. Pure politics and no concern for Armenians.

[Tusv]

Quote: credo

And then the French Senate woke up and took something there, at the end of the military campaign. Why would it suddenly?

For the first time, Russia applied its defense doctrine on the protection of the statehood of the Russian Federation and its allies. It's frightening that they change their shoes right in the air. Well, most likely they just envy

[RUSS]

Quote: Antifreeze

Quote: Svarog

where it is profitable

The frogs really don't want the conflict to end. Only it is completed. What are they hoping for?

the adopted resolution is advisory in nature and is not binding.

[Antifreeze]

Quote: RUSS

the adopted resolution is advisory in nature and is not binding

But the French are aware of this. So, raising the topic of Artsakh's independence, they deliberately provoke everyone.

[credo]

Quote: Antifreeze

Quote: RUSS

the adopted resolution is advisory in nature and is not binding

But the French are aware of this. So, raising the topic of Artsakh's independence, they deliberately provoke everyone.

Only Pashinyan and the Armenians of Karabakh and Armenia can be provoked to such a crap.
All sane people in the world are well aware that this is just a filkin letter and nothing more.
In reality, neither the paddling pools nor the mattress covers are going to impose any sanctions against Azerbaijan and Turkey and accuse them of all mortal sins. They just indulged in front of the Armenians and nothing more.

[hydro]

A package of sanctions from the EU is introduced against Turkey, against Azerbaijan from the Netherlands!

[hydro]

The European Union may impose sanctions against Turkey in December in connection with its actions in the Mediterranean, France is taking appropriate steps, Reuters reported, citing sources on November 26.

According to diplomatic sources, France has not prepared any concrete proposals at the moment, but any package of sanctions will include measures against the Turkish economy. Prohibitive measures may affect the ongoing mining industry, as well as shipping, banks and energy.



Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3126151.html
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.

[hydro]

Reality ... in reality, Turkey and the EU are in tense relations, and new sanctions will simply ruin Turkey, well, or worsen Turkey's position

[NF68]

Quote: Svarog

After the recognition of Karabakh, the French Senate should logically recognize Donbass and Crimea

Logic does not work here .. it is selective for them and works where it is profitable.

Here I see, here I can’t see.

[rruvim]

Here is the Armenian lobby !!! Respect!

[credo]

Quote: rruvim

Here is the Armenian lobby !!! Respect!

For what do you respect? For zilch.

[rruvim]

"Zilch! Not zilch? But the Lord was shot, almost naturally!" - Mironov ("... Capuchins").

[Pereira]

We were late, of course. But they did.

[RUSS]

Quote: rruvim

Here is the Armenian lobby !!! Respect!

The most powerful in the world, after the Armenian lobby, is the Jewish

[rruvim]

Jewish is still ahead !!! By several orders of magnitude ... Although the Armenians are considered from the lost tribe of Levitov, but being Christians, albeit Monophysites, they have always been under the protection of Christian countries, primarily Russia.

[karima]

Quote: rruvim

Although the Armenians are considered from the lost tribe of Levitov

Who are considered? And the Levites are not lost at all. In general, it is better to lose with a Jew than find with an Armenian.

[bk0010]

Quote: RUSS

The most powerful in the world, after the Armenian lobby, is the Jewish

Is it in memory of Aznavour, or what?

[rruvim]

Aznavour is a song! Look for such Armenians! Although I know some of them in Moscow, they are spirited, but they did not get Karabakh for f-g. Everything is in order in the Moscow region! But Charles was really, in his way, a poet. And he doesn't have a drop of blood from the other knees. Typical Armenian!

[rruvim]

Remember the film "Ararat" by Atom Egoyan, about the gencid of Armenians in the 23rd. Aznavour played the main role there. The film itself, of course, Mr., and has nothing to do with the historical truth, but Charles is just an artist!

[Sergey39]

France and logic are incompatible.

[tralflot1832]

The French Foreign Ministry is against it! They didn’t bring them, but they themselves have a wagon and a small cart.

[Ganja]

Well, the opposition parties of Azerbaijan have already begun consultations on the recognition of the independence of Corsica, New Caledonia, as well as the genocide committed by the French in Algeria

[iouris]

It is only thanks to the USSR that France is a great power. But France does not owe anything. This is Russia always owes France. Such is the logic. Don't you agree? These are your difficulties.

[parusnik]

This is Russia always owes France.

Even the royal debt was recognized and paid off.

[RUSS]

Quote: iouris

Only thanks to the USSR France is a great power

And detail?

[210ox]

And what is more. Soviet diplomats insisted on including France among the victorious countries. Otherwise, they would be on a par with Norway and Greece in the international arena.

[bk0010]

Quote: 210ox

Otherwise, they would be on a par with Norway and Greece in the international arena.

Rather on a par with Italy (as an ally of Germany).

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: 210ox

USSR diplomats insisted on the inclusion of France among the winning countries

this is the opinion of the likes of the French journalist Andre Laranet
(in an article on the end of World War II for the historical magazine Herodote).
In fact, thanks to Charles de Gaulle and all the allies.

[bk0010]

Quote: Niel-le-Calais

In fact, thanks to Charles de Gaulle and all the allies.

Not everyone. England definitely didn't want to. The rest wanted to annoy England.

[dzvero]

Recognized the independence of the NKR ... I wonder in what borders? August or November 2020?

[hydro]

August 2020

[noxange]

The people of Corsica also want to be independent from France.))

[ender]

Auntie, give me some water to drink, otherwise I want to eat so much that there is no place to sleep ()

[parusnik]

The deputies of the French Senate almost unanimously (305 votes out of 306) voted for the recognition of Karabakh's independence. This resolution has no legal force yet, because the final decision on this issue is made by the government.

... When the French government recognizes Karabakh, then we'll see, but now This resolution is not yet legally binding

[Livonetc]

Zvto has the actual force of spitting from France towards Azerbaijan, at a high state level.

[Kurare]

Quote: Livonetc

Zvto has the actual force of spitting from France towards Azerbaijan, at a high state level.

Here it is rather a spit in the direction of Turkey. Azerbaijan never decided on this war without the support of Erdogan.

[iouris]

Quote: Kurare

has the actual force of spitting from France towards Azerbaijan

Not Azerbaijan, and not Turkey, but towards the Russian Federation. You will see what campaign will rise in Armenia ("Franzia with us!").

[Kurare]

Quote: iouris

Not Azerbaijan, and not Turkey, but towards the Russian Federation.

By and large, French society does not consider Russia its main enemy. Although, the ceasefire with the support of Russia and the peacekeepers in Karabakh are an easy slap in the face to the French ambitions towards the Armenians.

But Islamism in France itself, and sincerely supported by Turkey, is perceived by the native French as very "painful". And the real insults of Macron by Erdogan made them very angry.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Livonetc

Zvto has the actual force of spitting from France towards Azerbaijan, at a high state level.

Rather, a spit towards Turkey and not towards Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is simply unlucky that the Franks are fighting the Turks now. To be honest, I don’t believe it will have any real power.

[Incvizitor]

In the West, there is no logic for a long time, there are only lies and double standards.

[Kurare]

Quote: Incvizitor

In the West, there is no logic for a long time, there are only lies and double standards.

This is "its own" logic

[Stavorg]

Something is clearly conceived and for Russia it will be very bad! Pashinyan is not going to leave and will continue to spoil Russia on the sly.

[Tusv]

Quote: Stavorg

Pashinyan is not going to leave and will continue to spoil Russia on the sly.

You might think Pashinyan is already asked by someone .. He is enemy number one for his people

[Kurare]

Actually, in this case, and first of all, the French Senate must recognize: South. Ossetia, Abkhazia, LDNR and Poland. In principle, we have known this alignment from the moment Kosovo was recognized. Selectivity is off the charts

I understand that I can "run into" minusoids, but with Crimea it is a little more difficult. Crimea did not become independent, but (anew) joined Russia at the will of the inhabitants.

[Old tanker]

The PMR itself does not demand complete independence from Moldova.

[Ivan Kozulin]

Looks like the French forgot who saved them from the Nazis, we will wait for nothing

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Ivan Kazulin

Looks like the French forgot who saved them from the Nazis, we will wait for nothing

they were generally released by the WB and the United States and Canada.

[Gunner]

Nothing splash pots do not recognize this show-off on the wave of anti-Islamic sentiments in France and they are directed against Turkey.

[Kuzmitsky]

Yes, of course, pure art. It's just that they try to screw up the Turks, but they don't give a damn about Karabakh.

[Gunner]

It would not have given a damn about it long ago. And the Turkish women in Europe have already gotten out with their Pan-Turkism, a pure Islamist (look at your wife how she is dressed), Turkey screamed most of all about disrespect for Muslims in France.

[Deniso]

Do they even know where it is in France ?!

[Niel-le-Calais]

such articles are only the personal opinion of the author.

I mean that after the recognition of Karabakh, the French must recognize Donbass and Crimea. And even the fact that Russia has not yet decided to officially recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, should not stop Paris in its noble aspirations.

They don't owe the author anything.
About Crimea

the principled position of France regarding non-recognition of the annexation of Crimea will continue, as will the corresponding policy of restrictive measures towards Russia.

French Foreign Ministry.
And this is the position of all developed countries. (There is a neutral position, but not a single developed country 1 has recognized the world)
This year France voted for the next UN resolution on the Ukrainian (occupied) Crimea

The third committee of the UN General Assembly on social and humanitarian issues approved the anti-Russian resolution of Ukraine. According to the document, Russia discriminates against the inhabitants of the peninsula, RIA Novosti reports.
Thus, the resolution refers to the temporary occupation of Crimea, the imposition of citizenship, illegal elections and changes in national identity. In addition, the document called the establishment of Russian jurisdiction and administration in the region illegal.
The co-authors of the Ukrainian project were such countries as Georgia, Germany, USA, Great Britain, France and a number of other states. 63 countries supported the document, 85 abstained, 22 more opposed it.

[karima]

After the recognition of Karabakh, the French Senate should logically recognize

Sochi and Rostov, as well as some parts of Moscow, the Armenians inspired by the French spirit will show their own.

[Old tanker]

For some reason, this article completely forgot about the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

[Alexey from Perm]

by whose logic?