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The Northern Fleet has successfully tested the Zircon hypersonic missile

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The Northern Fleet has successfully tested the Zircon hypersonic missile

The Northern Fleet has conducted yet another successful test of the Zircon hypersonic missile. According to the military department, the missile was launched from the board of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov".


According to the report, the Russian frigate, being in the waters of the White Sea, launched a Zircon hypersonic missile at a target located in the Barents Sea. According to objective control data, the rocket, having covered 450 km at a speed of more than Mach 8, successfully hit the target.

The lead frigate of project 22350 "Admiral fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov "fired yet another Zircon hypersonic cruise missile from the White Sea at a complex target position in the Barents Sea. (...) the Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missile successfully hit a sea target at a distance of 450 kilometers. Flight speed missiles amounted to more than eight Machs

- said in a statement.


The closure of the firing area was ensured by the forces and means of the Northern Fleet in the White and Barents Seas, including the missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov and the frigate Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov.

Recall that the previous test of the Zircon hypersonic missile was carried out at the beginning of October this year also from the frigate Admiral Gorshkov. As this time, the rocket hit the target at a distance of 450 km, developing a speed of Mach 8 at an altitude of 28 km.

According to some Russian media reports, two more test launches of Zircon will be carried out by the end of the year, including at a target imitating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 26 November 2020 15: 56
    +22
    Today there is a lot of news about missile launches. good
    Well done!
    1. sav
      sav 26 November 2020 16: 01
      +22
      This means that design bureaus and manufacturers do not eat their bread for nothing. drinks good
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 November 2020 16: 17
        +15
        Great news, developers and manufacturers are worthy of the Most Honorable Awards! good
        1. Buffet
          Buffet 26 November 2020 16: 45
          +9
          "From here we will threaten the Swede ...!"
      2. Thrall
        Thrall 26 November 2020 16: 18
        +22
        including on a target imitating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier

        On the website marinetraffic.com, anyone can track the place where the missile hits the target. The list of targets is attached smile
        CVN68, CVN69, CVN70, CVN71, CVN72, CVN73, CVN74, CVN75, CVN76, CVN77
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 26 November 2020 17: 29
        0
        bread was eaten by supporters of aircraft carriers ............................................. ..................................
    2. jovanni
      jovanni 26 November 2020 20: 48
      -2
      Quote: Temples
      Today there is a lot of news about missile launches.
      Well done!

      If it were not for squandering the people's money to all sorts of nanochubays, but normally financing those people and organizations that really promote the development of our country, there would be even more good news! And not only missiles. Factor of...
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2020 02: 45
        0
        Why are you crap ... Everything seems to be good - you experienced it - it worked out ... and then you ... Everyone knows that Chubais, but what is it for now?
        1. jovanni
          jovanni 27 November 2020 06: 37
          0
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Why are you crap ... Everything seems to be good - you experienced it - it worked out ... and then you ... Everyone knows that Chubais, but what is it for now?

          What did I screw up with you? He advised that in our country a lot of money goes to all sorts of parasites, and not to such people who create advanced missiles, and not just missiles?
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2020 09: 12
            +3
            In addition to the fact that in any topic so - the topic about "Zircon" - here you are, the topic about the education system - the same, etc. etc. It feels like some people enjoy this. And this is not an unfounded statement, this is a trend that, in my opinion, has long since grown into a law for comments on this site. Don't believe me? Analyze for yourself.
            1. sevryuk
              sevryuk 28 November 2020 12: 00
              0
              it would be better if they gave it to pensioners ... fellow (hybrid war, however!)
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 November 2020 15: 57
    +8
    Putin's cartoons are taking on flesh, and Russia's enemies will soon demand to ban them.
    1. hrych
      hrych 26 November 2020 15: 59
      +7
      It was according to Zircon that there were no cartoons. laughing
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 26 November 2020 16: 15
        -1
        Don't worry when discussing the new START 3 treaty, the Americans will demand to destroy the Zircons ... It's like not going to the grandmother.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 26 November 2020 16: 40
          +13
          This category of missiles does not belong to strategic offensive weapons.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 27 November 2020 05: 49
            +1
            Forgot how Gorbachev put our short-range missiles under the knife to please the Americans.
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 26 November 2020 16: 53
          +10
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Don't worry when discussing a new START 3 treaty, the Americans will demand the destruction of the Zircons ...

          You got it all mixed up again.
          Zircon is an anti-ship cruise missile, not an intercontinental ballistic missile.
          How does Zircon compare to strategic offensive weapons?
          And further. If a new treaty - just a new one - happens, it will probably be called START-4, since START-3 ends on February 5, 2021.
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          START 3 the Americans will demand to destroy the Zircons ... It's like not going to the grandmother.


          Can be exchanged for the destruction of 60 Burke-class ships
          1. jovanni
            jovanni 26 November 2020 20: 53
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Can be exchanged for the destruction of 60 Burke-class ships

            Yes, especially if you count 1 "Zircon" = 1 "Burke" ...)))
            Or let three Burks be cut for one "Zircon". Or rather ...
        4. hrych
          hrych 26 November 2020 19: 49
          +5
          Cruise missiles on sea carriers for the sake of the United States and allowed by the Holeheads. The case where the Americans ended up trapped.
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 26 November 2020 18: 23
        -2
        Quote: hrych
        It was according to Zircon that there were no cartoons.

        Yes, I must admit that the video of the tests, both past and present, is also not very informative. yes
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 27 November 2020 12: 08
          0
          Yes, I must admit that the video of the tests, both past and present, is also not very informative. yes
          and it is right wink
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 27 November 2020 12: 45
            0
            Quote: sivuch
            and it is right

            Of course, right. But it's a shame. recourse
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 26 November 2020 16: 26
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Putin's cartoons are taking on flesh, and Russia's enemies will soon demand to ban them.

      I will paraphrase the phrase of the cat Behemoth from MiM. These are by no means cartoons, as you have deigned to say with VO users, but a string of tightly packed weapons.
      And the United States is about banning tryndit since the deployment of Iskander in the Kaliningrad region. Only their withdrawal from contracts about anything. Don had to accept Putin's offer. We are hypersonic to you, you are a reliable ally of the Russian Federation
  3. deniso
    deniso 26 November 2020 16: 03
    0
    The matter is very important. Strategically necessary to ensure the security of Russia.
  4. askort154
    askort154 26 November 2020 16: 05
    +9
    ...... by the end of the year, two more test launches of the Zircon will be carried out, including at a target simulating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier.

    This is a good idea. More often it is necessary to put pressure on their psyche. Let them know that one day they can also arrive.
    1. Katraps
      Katraps 26 November 2020 16: 21
      -49%
      Somehow everything is for show ... It appears that the desire to intimidate prevails ... Is this project viable ... So over the past 10-20 years I don’t remember that in some areas of armaments we took the lead in the world ... And here is hypersound ... We can't really make a 5th generation fighter ...
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 26 November 2020 16: 34
        +12
        It should be so. Kind words and a gun help to negotiate with partners.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 16: 35
        +13
        Quote: Katraps
        We can't really make a fifth generation fighter ...

        The series has gone - what don't you like?

        So over the past 10-20 years, I don’t remember that in some areas of armaments we took the leading role in the world ..

        How much did you delve into the topics? We even have a breakthrough with no jokes in the part concerning the Navy - the Packet-NK complex. Only for some reason he is not on the Premier League until now
        1. Katraps
          Katraps 26 November 2020 16: 43
          -29%
          Maybe that's why not? Anything can be developed according to the documents, but if there is no mass production and use - how to check?
        2. Katraps
          Katraps 26 November 2020 16: 46
          -32%
          And fighters of the 5th generation in the United States have long been adopted and used, and we have only just started some fuss ... It seems that they were allowed into the series, it seems that they will soon be transferred to the unit ... There is a 15-20 years lag. ... And here you see a breakthrough ...
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 26 November 2020 16: 58
            +19
            Quote: Katraps
            And fighters of the 5th generation in the United States have long been adopted and used, and we have only just started some fuss ... It seems that they were allowed into the series, it seems that they will soon be transferred to the unit ... There is a 15-20 years lag. ... And here you see a breakthrough ...

            And in the United States there was no collapse of the country, two civil wars, or default. The United States didn't have to pull the hell out of the country. And for the USA, read, the whole world works.
            What is it that such a wonderful and rich European Union has not yet become a fifth generation fighter? Have you ever thought of such a question?
          2. zwlad
            zwlad 26 November 2020 17: 28
            -3
            Are they really needed? Us. Are these 5th generation fighters? Well, against barmaley they are effective, but how much? By 5%? Or maybe 3?
            But what if against Russia?
            And where will they return to?
            And the F35 is just a business, a very successful business.
          3. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 19: 06
            +4
            Quote: Katraps
            but we have just started some fuss ... It seems that they were allowed into the series, it seems that they will soon be transferred to the unit ... There is a 15-20 years lag ...


            Did the US have its 90s? That's when they will come, when they have a civil war in one format or another, and then when after 20 years they will develop something there and we'll see

            Maybe that's why not? Anything can be developed according to the documents, but if there is no mass production and use - how to check?


            Contrary to what you want the plane is already in the series.
          4. sivuch
            sivuch 27 November 2020 12: 11
            0
            Believe it or not, it was so during the Cold War - somewhere they lagged behind, somewhere they took the lead
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 26 November 2020 16: 41
        +4
        Quote: Katraps
        Somehow everything is for show ...

        Our "partner" threw a spoonful of doubt into the discussion ........
        1. Katraps
          Katraps 26 November 2020 16: 59
          -26%
          Well, then yes ... Everywhere we are ahead of everyone, only the latter everywhere ... And another "breakthrough" ... Reasonable doubts about the capabilities of our military-industrial complex ...
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 26 November 2020 17: 20
            +11
            Quote: Katraps
            Well, then yes ... Everywhere we are ahead of everyone, only the latter everywhere ... And another "breakthrough" ... Reasonable doubts about the capabilities of our military-industrial complex ...

            That, nooo, training manual - sow doubt ... Whoever not only looks, but also sees, they know where we are ahead and in what! hi
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 27 November 2020 00: 35
            0
            Katraps (Andrey)
            Yesterday, 16: 59
            NEW

            -20%
            Well then yes ... Everywhere we are ahead of everyone, only the last everywhere ... And another "breakthrough" ... Reasonable doubts about the capabilities of our military-industrial complex ...
            Whose "our" is it? bully
      4. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 26 November 2020 17: 04
        +6
        Quote: Katraps
        We can't really make a fifth generation fighter ...

        Why are you so weak? request You can't do some kind of airplane - and there is only business ... laughing The trouble is the trouble ... wassat
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 19: 10
          +7
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Some kind of airplane you can't do -


          Well, despite the fact that the European Union has no 5th generation fighter at all, and the Chinese did not come out extremely convincing
      5. Hermit21
        Hermit21 26 November 2020 17: 23
        +1
        Was this ipsarny raised on alarm, or are some of our shit trying to fit an inconvenient event into their own bespony world?
      6. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 26 November 2020 22: 00
        +5
        Quote: Katraps
        Somehow everything is for show ... It appears that the desire to intimidate prevails ...

        Yes, yes, yes .. you're right! Show off to intimidate. lol Let me ask you a question !? It was our destroyers who began to cross the US maritime border! ? This is ours carried out imitation of missile launches from the coast of Romania across the Crimea ?? It was our strategic bombers that flew close to the Russian border through the territory of Ukraine !? So, what prevails over there !?
      7. Grits
        Grits 27 November 2020 10: 45
        +2
        Quote: Katraps
        For 10-20 years I don’t remember that in some areas of armaments we took the leading role in the world ...

        In fact, on anti-ship cruise missiles, we were always ahead of the striped ones. Are you going to compare the useless Harpoon with Granite?
  5. Romeo
    Romeo 26 November 2020 16: 07
    +4
    Disappears in a moment. Especially if you look after the launches of Caliber
  6. PSih2097
    PSih2097 26 November 2020 16: 10
    +2
    including on the targetimitating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier.

    I wonder where they will find such a whopper ...
    length - 332,8 m, length along the waterline - 317 m, width - 40,8 m, 76,8-78,4 m (maximum), height - 73,2 m
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 26 November 2020 16: 15
      +2
      A rebellious thought crept in, maybe I can rent something from the amers, and they will try to knock it down.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 26 November 2020 16: 29
        +6
        Quote: tralflot1832
        A rebellious thought crept in, maybe I can rent something from the amers, and they will try to knock it down.

        maybe he (AB type "Nimitz") will enter the testing area for espionage (remember the AB VS Mayak bike) and the "zircon" will aim at him ... wassat
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 November 2020 16: 26
      +8
      Quote: PSih2097
      I wonder where they will find such a whopper ...

      Anything waterfowl with outrigger reflectors.
    3. Grits
      Grits 27 November 2020 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: PSih2097
      I wonder where they will find such a whopper ...

      He often visited Arkhangelsk. I saw how rafts of timber were driven along the Northern Dvina. Not less than an aircraft carrier in size. So, pay the local raftsmen and carpenters, and they will take such a chic "aircraft carrier" into the White Sea - everyone will be envious of such a target.
  7. anjey
    anjey 26 November 2020 16: 11
    +7
    Better to see once than hear ten laughing
  8. mmaxx
    mmaxx 26 November 2020 16: 33
    +9
    That's it. A new era has come. 2,7 km / s. Catch whoever can ...
    For comparison, the TNT detonation velocity is 7 km / s.
  9. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 16: 45
    +10
    Now the great know-it-all of all military characteristics of weapons from the tyrnet will come and tell us that all this is useless because there is no target designator and everyone will quietly disperse to the barracks to eat gruel :)
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 26 November 2020 17: 25
      +3
      With a range of 450 km, the aircraft carrier in the compound is only relatively tight. But everything else ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 19: 12
        +5
        So who told you that 450 km is the limit, firstly, and secondly, when armed with such anti-ship missiles and nuclear submarines, the solution is already more than adequate.
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 27 November 2020 03: 49
          +2
          So far 450. We look forward to it. Surprises are welcome.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 08: 48
            +1
            I do not argue. For NC, it will not be enough. For nuclear submarines and aviation wherever it went
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 27 November 2020 13: 07
        0
        Rather all - 450 km is the range at maximum speed. And then you can play - more range - less average speed.
  10. Katraps
    Katraps 26 November 2020 16: 48
    -27%
    [quote] So over the past 10-20 years, I don’t remember that in some areas of armaments we took the lead in the world .. [/ quote]
    How much did you delve into the topics? We even have a breakthrough with no jokes in the part concerning the Navy - the Packet-NK complex. Only for some reason it is not on the nuclear submarine so far [/ quote]

    So maybe that's why not? You can develop anything on paper, but serial production, use and operation cannot be imitated ...
    1. Fat
      Fat 26 November 2020 21: 23
      +3
      Quote: Katraps
      So maybe that's why not? You can develop anything on paper, but serial production, use and operation cannot be imitated ...

      "You can imitate everything" (c) V. Shpakovsky. laughing
  11. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 26 November 2020 16: 48
    +6
    ***

    The hypersound broke the "Icy Silence of the Arctic"! ...

    ***
  12. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 26 November 2020 16: 56
    +2
    Great news!
    Thank you.
  13. bars1
    bars1 26 November 2020 17: 05
    -2
    Curse! That in the October tests, that in the current there was such a dense cloud that it is impossible to determine what the scramjet rocket is equipped with (stopping the operation of the accelerator) or a banal solid propellant rocket ... Something tells me that all the same solid propellant rocket. Scramjet too cool ...
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 26 November 2020 22: 03
      +4
      Quote: bars1
      Curse! That in the October tests, that in the current there was such a dense cloud that it is impossible to determine what the scramjet rocket is equipped with (stopping the operation of the accelerator) or a banal solid propellant rocket ... Something tells me that all the same solid propellant rocket. Scramjet too cool ...

      And this, so that curious satellites would not spy!
  14. Sergey39
    Sergey39 26 November 2020 17: 14
    +2
    They could have launched it at the maximum range.
  15. bars1
    bars1 26 November 2020 17: 18
    -2
    Quote: Sergey39
    They could have launched it at the maximum range.

    I will express a criminal thought: “Maybe this is the maximum range?” I really would not want it to be not true.
  16. zwlad
    zwlad 26 November 2020 17: 18
    +5
    The Poles have not yet cried out what could hurt small Britain?
  17. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 17: 20
    +1
    interesting target designation than provided
    it would also be very interesting to see how she maneuvered on hypersonic
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 17: 29
      +2
      Why do you need such knowledge !?
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 17: 34
        0
        and you are only interested in reading the bravura reports - successfully struck and so on and so on? Such knowledge will allow us to assess how much our latest weapons pose a threat to the ships of a potential enemy with all his aegis and other air defense and pro, while the enemy himself probably already has answers to all these questions, they could have filmed a zircon flight in detail
        it would be interesting to evaluate a volley from how many zircons is guaranteed to disable the aug
        1. Sergey Kulikov_3
          Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 17: 40
          +1
          Well, let Grebible and Grebble give target designation, did it make it easier for you in your universe with bravura reports?
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 17: 44
            +1
            The problem is that the reconnaissance system of our Navy, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired, and this is perhaps more important than the means of destruction, who first discovered the enemy and correctly classified the targets, he almost certainly won
            1. Sergey Kulikov_3
              Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 17: 54
              0
              All that you know about the reconnaissance system of our Navy, for a change, you would try to shoot a hypersonic missile at a target at a distance of 450-1000 km, at least by coordinates.
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 18: 03
                +2
                Well, if you know better then tell us how our Navy is going to detect and identify targets at 450-1000km? in my opinion there is nothing special
                1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                  Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 18: 08
                  +2
                  Let's not confuse the topics, okay? Your comments are not relevant here, the topic is not about target detection, but about hypersonic missiles.
                  1. _Ugene_
                    _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 18: 17
                    -1
                    Let's not confuse the topic, that to use anti-ship missiles at such a distance, external target designation is necessary, and I asked the question of how it was carried out, as far as I know, our Navy now has practically no air reconnaissance means, space reconnaissance too, so where are they going to shoot zircons?
                    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                      Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 19: 23
                      -3
                      Do you have problems with targeting? So tell us about your problems in your thread about your problems, well, or start a blazer and write there about your problems with your targeting. Here, as it were, about something else.
                      1. _Ugene_
                        _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 20: 03
                        0
                        I am not a navy, so I have no problem with target designation, but our Navy does, but about your proposal I can answer with the famous saying - don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go
                2. 1_2
                  1_2 26 November 2020 23: 34
                  -1
                  there is a Liana satellite system, it detects all ships, the rocket is launched into the square and there it finds the target itself
                  1. _Ugene_
                    _Ugene_ 27 November 2020 10: 06
                    -1
                    Liana has nothing to do with the fleet. The USSR Navy had its own pretty decent satellite constellation for reconnaissance and target designation and reconnaissance aircraft more than 100 pieces, the Russian Navy has none of this, our fleet is blind, so in real conditions it will be possible to apply Zircon, for example, in the Black Sea, in the open ocean there is no
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 27 November 2020 14: 08
                      +3
                      Quote: _Ugene_
                      The Soviet Navy had its own pretty decent satellite constellation for reconnaissance and target designation and reconnaissance aircraft of more than 100 pieces

                      what Why not 200? There were 30 of them, not 100 !!!
                      Quote: _Ugene_
                      the Russian Navy has none of this,

                      what You're lying again !!! Liana replaces Legend!
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 27 November 2020 14: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: _Ugene_
                      Liana has nothing to do with the fleet

                      what Come on??? Why did you decide that?
                3. sivuch
                  sivuch 27 November 2020 13: 11
                  0
                  And what is the problem, especially at a distance of only half a thousand kilometers? No one is interested in AUG somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean. And if the AUG itself swims up to a distance of 500 km from the coast of the Far East, then there will be plenty of detection equipment.
  18. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 26 November 2020 17: 44
    +3
    by the end of the year, two more test launches of the Zircon will be carried out, including at a target imitating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier.

    I especially liked it about the aircraft carrier of the conditional enemy. laughing
    The conditional enemy touched the twitching eye and wiped away a miserly tear with a star-striped handkerchief wassat
  19. Orel
    Orel 26 November 2020 17: 51
    +2
    two more test launches of the Zircon will be carried out, including at a target simulating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier.


    Not a small target is needed)))
  20. Stavorg
    Stavorg 26 November 2020 18: 19
    +1
    Well, here's at least one good news in Russia! You need to hurry with rearmament, the rabid Russophobe Biden came to power in the United States and the devil only knows what's in his old head ... For our designers, engineers, well, of course sailors, everything went well. hi
  21. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 18: 22
    +3
    Quote: bars1
    Quote: Sergey39
    They could have launched it at the maximum range.

    I will express a criminal thought: “Maybe this is the maximum range?” I really would not want it to be not true.

    If this is an anti-ship missile, then it is quite likely that this is the maximum (or close to maximum) range. If it's a ship-to-shore cruise missile, but of course it's not full range

    Quote: _Ugene_
    interesting target designation than provided
    it would also be very interesting to see how she maneuvered on hypersonic

    No way. The first tests on a target most often go on a stationary one. They anchored the target vessel and fired using an INS rather than a homing system. Therefore, there is simply no hypersonic maneuvering in such cases.

    Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
    Well, let Grebible and Grebble give target designation, did it make it easier for you in your universe with bravura reports?

    In general, write nonsense, and such that you don't even want to put a minus. You are still on the resource "Military Review", where such questions are legitimate, and not on the resource "Grannies on the bench at the entrance." Unfortunately, interesting questions remain unanswered. There are bravura reports. But they are designed mainly for those who don't give a damn about this hypersonic rocket with a gas-filled rocket engine or solid propellant engine ...
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 26 November 2020 18: 39
      0
      No way. The first tests on a target most often go on a stationary one. They anchored the target vessel and fired using an INS rather than a homing system.
      and how they are going to discover real targets for zircon is not clear, neither air nor space reconnaissance at our navy, how to use zircon in real conditions?
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 19: 31
      -2
      And can you argue about the lack of target designation and about the original news of the branch? Well, how do you connect two completely different disciplines? You weren't taught to separate "can shoot" and "can't shoot" at that distance? I have never seen a dumber answer!
  22. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 18: 31
    +6
    Quote: Stavorg
    Well, here's at least one good news in Russia! You need to hurry with rearmament, the rabid Russophobe Biden came to power in the United States and the devil only knows what's in his old head ... For our designers, engineers, well, of course sailors, everything went well. hi

    There is no need to rush in such a situation. It is necessary that all tests were carried out in a regular mode and after failures (pah-pah, so that it was not, but everything is possible), a correct, not a "speedy" solution was found. Then, in total, this will give a decrease in the number of test launches ...

    Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
    Let's not confuse the topics, okay? Your comments are not relevant here, the topic is not about target detection, but about hypersonic missiles.

    And whatever missiles are, even supersonic, even hypersonic, even near-light (or superluminal), the problem of detection and target designation does not cancel
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 19: 54
      -7
      Dumb and Dumber. For the sake of interest, find out how an invisible American destroyer was intercepted in the Far East, then you will talk about "target designation" in your blazers.
  23. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: _Ugene_
    No way. The first tests on a target most often go on a stationary one. They anchored the target vessel and fired using an INS rather than a homing system.
    and how they are going to discover real targets for zircon is not clear, neither air nor space reconnaissance at our navy, how to use zircon in real conditions?

    Real - you're right, problem. And now, as most likely the last time, they shot at this area
  24. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 November 2020 19: 53
    +1
    Today the news is great.
    If tomorrow they were finally given a salary, it would be just some kind of holiday!
    1. Grits
      Grits 27 November 2020 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez
      If tomorrow they were finally given a salary, it would be just some kind of holiday!

      I also want such a holiday.
  25. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Cruise missiles on sea carriers for the sake of the United States and allowed by the Holeheads. The case where the Americans ended up trapped.

    Cruise missiles were also allowed on aircraft carriers. And in one, and in another case, there were restrictions on the total number. On maritime carriers, EMNIP this number was stated as 880
  26. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: Benzorez
    If tomorrow they were finally given a salary, it would be just some kind of holiday!

    After 7

    Quote: Jovanni
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Can be exchanged for the destruction of 60 Burke-class ships

    Yes, especially if you count 1 "Zircon" = 1 "Burke" ...)))

    I think that still not 1 "Zircon" = 1 "Burke". especially if the warhead is conventional. Do not underestimate the air defense and missile defense capabilities of these ships
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 08: 52
      0
      It was about diplomacy. If they demand to cut Zircon, let me cut Burke ...
      If we are talking about the minimum order of forces - at least 4 anti-ship missiles of this class.
    2. Grits
      Grits 27 November 2020 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Old26
      I think that still not 1 "Zircon" = 1 "Burke". especially if the warhead is conventional. Do not underestimate the air defense and missile defense capabilities of these ships

      I am still sure that the air defense and missile defense of these ships is completely useless against hypersound.
  27. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 26 November 2020 21: 19
    0
    And where are we going to send them these "Zircons"?
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 22: 00
      -2
      You can't believe where. For the gifted, I report that patrolmen are guarding, and ships and submarines are launching missiles at targets, and believe me there will be targets, a long range to the target is only protection from the enemy's retaliation. And yes, you do not need to listen to "De Bilov", they would have to carry out a preemptive strike on horseback, well, or engage in fantasizing about flying UAVs and satellites with cameras.
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 26 November 2020 22: 16
        +2
        Please do not need these phrases like "gifted". If you really have a relationship with the military, please explain normally so that I can understand. And so, about some mythical goals, this is evident from the article.
        1. Lex_is
          Lex_is 26 November 2020 22: 21
          +5
          Zircon is an anti-ship missile.
          Its main purpose is to attack large enemy ships. It can also be used against ground targets.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 26 November 2020 22: 26
            -2
            That's better. So it is launched from a ship or submarine. And if so, then such missiles can be equipped with the Pacific Fleet, right?
            1. Lex_is
              Lex_is 26 November 2020 22: 35
              +5
              Any fleet can be equipped with them, the main thing is that it has suitable carriers.
              If the ship has a 3C14 universal launcher, it will be able to launch Zircon.
              1. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 26 November 2020 22: 43
                0
                Are there such ships and submarines with ZS14 launchers in the Pacific Fleet? And it turns out that all the best in the Northern Fleet)))
                1. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 26 November 2020 22: 53
                  0
                  There is. And ships and nuclear submarines
                2. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 27 November 2020 06: 47
                  0
                  no. no ships, no submarines with calibers at the Pacific Fleet
                3. Grits
                  Grits 27 November 2020 11: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Dalmatia
                  Are there such ships and submarines with ZS14 launchers in the Pacific Fleet?

                  Unfortunately, the Pacific Fleet does not have ships capable of launching Zircons.
                4. Grits
                  Grits 27 November 2020 11: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Dalmatia
                  Are there such ships and submarines with ZS14 launchers in the Pacific Fleet?

                  And this is for clarity.


                  As you can see, nothing is fit.
              2. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 26 November 2020 22: 49
                0
                I will not distract you anymore, thanks for your patience))
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 08: 54
              +1
              Only ships with UVP ZS-14, the coastal complex Bastion and pr.949AM. Which are not in the ranks yet. 2 ships are being rebuilt according to this project.
      2. Lex_is
        Lex_is 26 November 2020 22: 26
        0
        patrolmen guard, and ships and submarines launch missiles at targets


        The level of your knowledge of the Navy is amazing!
        1. Sergey Kulikov_3
          Sergey Kulikov_3 26 November 2020 23: 16
          -6
          You are Mr. Major for the sake of fun, take a compass and spin it with a radius of 1000 km around Slavyanka, Askold Island, and Shikotan Island. When you comprehend everything, then we can talk about imagination.
  28. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 23: 15
    +4
    Quote: Lex_is
    There is. And ships and nuclear submarines

    Ships - yes, submarines - no. The only submarine with such launchers capable of launching, incl. and "Zircons" (probably) - this is the lead nuclear submarine of the "Ash" class on the Northern Fleet. If Kazan goes into operation in December, there will be two

    Quote: Lex_is
    Zircon is an anti-ship missile.
    Its main purpose is to attack large enemy ships. It can also be used against ground targets.

    More precisely, we can say that it is most likely universal. By the type of the "Caliber" family, among which there are both "ship-to-ship" (anti-ship) missiles and "ship-to-surface" missiles for firing at ground targets. In one case, these are missiles with a range of about 400-500 km, in others, the range is determined by fuel reserves. This version of the Zircon is said to have a range of about 1000 km. The guidance system is also different.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 27 November 2020 06: 48
      0
      and what ships in the Pacific Fleet with Caliber? there is nothing there.
      "Hat" is perhaps on trials
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 08: 58
      0
      Nobody will make specialized Zircon for work on the ground - for an expensive toy.
  29. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 26 November 2020 23: 15
    0
    Topvarischi, educate the approximate start-up cost.
    1. 1_2
      1_2 26 November 2020 23: 30
      +3
      write down: about like Onyx
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 27 November 2020 04: 26
      0
      To calculate how much wire rod can you buy? wink
  30. 1_2
    1_2 26 November 2020 23: 28
    +2
    if the range is 500 km, then this is not bad, against ships it is enough, but only a submarine can approach the AUG imperceptibly, and the Zircon range of 500 km is more than enough for it, although they promised 1000 km, apparently while they are testing half the range
  31. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 23: 29
    +2
    Quote: DKuznecov
    Topvarischi, educate the approximate start-up cost.

    Much laughing
  32. STORM 12
    STORM 12 27 November 2020 00: 40
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: bars1
    Quote: Sergey39
    They could have launched it at the maximum range.

    I will express a criminal thought: “Maybe this is the maximum range?” I really would not want it to be not true.

    If this is an anti-ship missile, then it is quite likely that this is the maximum (or close to maximum) range. If it's a ship-to-shore cruise missile, but of course it's not full range

    Quote: _Ugene_
    interesting target designation than provided
    it would also be very interesting to see how she maneuvered on hypersonic

    No way. The first tests on a target most often go on a stationary one. They anchored the target vessel and fired using an INS rather than a homing system. Therefore, there is simply no hypersonic maneuvering in such cases.

    Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
    Well, let Grebible and Grebble give target designation, did it make it easier for you in your universe with bravura reports?

    In general, write nonsense, and such that you don't even want to put a minus. You are still on the resource "Military Review", where such questions are legitimate, and not on the resource "Grannies on the bench at the entrance." Unfortunately, interesting questions remain unanswered. There are bravura reports. But they are designed mainly for those who don't give a damn about this hypersonic rocket with a gas-filled rocket engine or solid propellant engine ...

    can the RDGZ be able to?
  33. dimz
    dimz 27 November 2020 05: 53
    +1
    Zircon = Onyx 2. I don't understand the concept of application. Who is it against? If we hammer an aircraft carrier group with hypersonic missiles, it means that both their and our cities are already on fire. If we call to order the fleet of a non-nuclear country, no one has the means to intercept the same Onyx. It turns out again some kind of non-serial exhibition piece. Look, we have it.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 09: 01
      0
      Quote: dimz
      If we call to order the fleet of a non-nuclear country, no one has the means to intercept the same Onyx.


      The ongoing World War III does not eliminate the task of applying MRNU to the enemy's AUG.
  34. Old tanker
    Old tanker 27 November 2020 06: 49
    0
    And more recently, a lot of "eksperdy" shouted that it was a fake. It is impossible to achieve hypersound in such mass-dimensional parameters as in Zircon.
    Something they are now not heard by everyone.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 November 2020 08: 06
      -1
      just about Zircon they didn't shout too much .. You must have confused it with Petrel .. and what is wrong with its size? normal for "hypersound" ..
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 30 November 2020 11: 10
        0
        There was never any talk of hypersound on the "Storm".
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 30 November 2020 11: 15
          0
          I mean Zircon when talking about the size ..
  35. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 27 November 2020 08: 33
    +3
    The coastal version is a must. angry In the event of War, our two and a half frigates will not last long ... No.
    1. Connor MacLeod
      Connor MacLeod 27 November 2020 08: 51
      0
      TPK Onyx is similar to TPK Zircon. Accordingly, it will be possible to equip the DBK Bastion with Zircons, yes?

    2. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 27 November 2020 21: 21
      0
      Why did you say that, "In the event of War .."?
  36. Old26
    Old26 27 November 2020 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Forgot how Gorbachev put our short-range missiles under the knife to please the Americans.

    In fact, short-range missiles are missiles with a range of up to 120 km, EMNIP The missiles of the Oka complex were destroyed, which did not fall under the category shorter range missiles

    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: Katraps
    For 10-20 years I don’t remember that in some areas of armaments we took the leading role in the world ...

    In fact, on anti-ship cruise missiles, we were always ahead of the striped ones. Are you going to compare the useless Harpoon with Granite?

    So to speak. We were the FIRST in this direction who started using them. But, unfortunately, we did not have a mass small-size anti-ship missile before the Kh-35. They also created a massive "Harpoon". And in heavy and supersonic ones, we still do not have any special competitors (although China is pulling up)

    Quote: sivuch
    Rather all - 450 km is the range at maximum speed. And then you can play - more range - less average speed.

    An extremely unlikely ratio. Most likely, everything depends primarily on the amount of fuel. Based on your message, there won't be any gain in range. Just at a speed of 5M, a rocket will cover a distance of 450 km in 300 seconds (5 minutes), and at a speed of 8M - in 187,5 seconds (3,125 minutes)
    It's just that fuel consumption at a speed of 5M will be less than at a speed of 8M

    Quote: sivuch
    And what is the problem, especially at a distance of only half a thousand kilometers? No one is interested in AUG somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean. And if the AUG itself swims up to a distance of 500 km from the coast of the Far East, then there will be plenty of detection equipment.

    And what if he swims to a distance of not 500 km, but 700 or 1000 km? And will it also be in the "dead zone" of the same over-the-horizon locator? These are questions - detection and targeting - very serious

    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: Old26
    I think that still not 1 "Zircon" = 1 "Burke". especially if the warhead is conventional. Do not underestimate the air defense and missile defense capabilities of these ships

    I am still sure that the air defense and missile defense of these ships is completely useless against hypersound.

    Unfortunately, I don’t have such confidence. Our adversary has the ability to intercept. And most importantly, the same destroyers can vary the number of loaded missiles.

    Quote: dimz
    Zircon = Onyx 2. I don't understand the concept of application. Who is it against? If we hammer an aircraft carrier group with hypersonic missiles, it means that both their and our cities are already on fire. If we call to order the fleet of a non-nuclear country, no one has the means to intercept the same Onyx. It turns out again some kind of non-serial exhibition piece. Look, we have it.

    Let's start with the fact that "Zircon" is not "Onyx-2"
    Further. The goal can be any, incl. and AUG. The weapon, moreover, is not created for any specific "negotiating partner." China, India, and South Korea may have AUG in the near future. And others are not so far away. Not "classic AUG" like the Americans, but nevertheless
    The fact that no one possesses the means of intercepting the same "Onyx" - you are deeply mistaken. Our opponents are also able to intercept supersonic anti-ship missiles. And "Zircon"? Well, while in general it is difficult to talk about him after 2-3 test launches ...

    Quote: Connor Macleod
    TPK Onyx is similar to TPK Zircon. Accordingly, it will be possible to equip the DBK Bastion with Zircons, yes?

    It is still very difficult to say anything about TPK. We have not yet seen TPK "Zircon" to draw conclusions
  37. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 27 November 2020 21: 26
    0
    Obeshchali 1000 km i poluchilos tolko 450.