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RSC Energia proposes to refuse to participate in the ISS program

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RSC Energia proposes to refuse to participate in the ISS program

The Russian rocket and space corporation Energia, which is the operator of the Russian segment of the International Space Station, has proposed abandoning further participation in the ISS program and focusing on the creation of a Russian space station.


As it was announced at the RAS Space Council, after 2025 most of the ISS elements will be decommissioned for various reasons. Accordingly, spending on the station will increase, which can reach 10-15 billion rubles a year, which is "too large". Instead of participating in the ISS program, RSC Energia proposes to create a national space station.

There are already a number of elements that have been seriously damaged and are out of service. Many of them are not replaceable. After 2025, we predict an avalanche failure of numerous elements on board the ISS

- said the first deputy general director of Energia Vladimir Soloviev.

He presented the look of the new "Russian Orbital Service Station" (ROSS), which will consist of three to seven interchangeable modules. The station will be autonomous, built with an open architecture and an unlimited service life. According to RSC Energia's plans, commissioning of the station should begin after 2024.

In turn, Roscosmos announced that they plan to begin negotiations with partners in 2021 on the terms of further operation of the ISS.

Earlier, Roskosmos said that the ISS will expire in 2024, but Russia intends to agree on its extension until 2030. According to Roskosmos plans, the Nauka modules, nodal and scientific-energy modules should go to the ISS. Retrofitting the ISS Russian segment with these modules within three years will make it completely independent from the rest of the station.
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  1. book
    book 26 November 2020 15: 32
    -9
    of course refuse. and let Rogozin fly, for the collapse of Roskosmos. Run from a trampoline
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 26 November 2020 15: 37
      -4
      In relation to Rogozin, you used some strange word)) obviously, a mistake, but ..))
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 26 November 2020 15: 58
        +34
        The ISS will have to be abandoned anyway. Sooner or later.

        We need to build our own, Russian orbital station.

        In the USSR they could. Now technology has made great strides forward.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 November 2020 16: 25
          +28
          In the USSR they could. Now technology has made great strides forward.

          This technology has gone forward, and the country has gone back.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 26 November 2020 16: 47
            -10%
            Quote: Aviator_
            This technology has gone forward, and the country has gone back.

            A. Funny. Musk just caught up with Russia in manned space and the country is already back. Let's analyze the situation. ISS becomes obsolete, Ilon's commercial success is canceled. The proton is sent into oblivion, and the Angara is not yet ready, more precisely, it is not certified by the United States to maintain the ISS. Conclusion. We need a new project. The costs are the same, but there will be no more income from the ISS
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 26 November 2020 16: 57
              +29
              Quote: Tusv
              The costs are the same, but there will be no more income from the ISS
              Eh, come on. It is one thing to operate a part of the station, and another to create it from scratch. The Eagle spacecraft cannot be completed for the third decade, there are no heavy carriers (Protons were taken out of production, and how to remove the station's elements?), We cannot complete the modules to the ISS (which means that the money for these modules will go to waste). Do you want Rogozin to do something in 4 years? He will not do anything, except that he organizes a competition for the name.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 26 November 2020 18: 50
                -8
                Quote: astepanov
                Protons were taken out of production, but how to remove the elements of the station?

                My teacher used to say when nobody listened to her: "Do you fish? - No, I fish."
                And what am I talking about? Proton in Lethe, Angara is not certified by the Americans and will not fly until we leave the ISS. And if there is no Proton, then there is no orbit correction. While the Soyuz and Falcon places are barely supporting their orbit
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 1 December 2020 15: 59
                  0
                  Refuse to participate in the ISS?
                  Are they completely sick?
                  Want your own station? Let them do it.
                  WHEN they do, they will make sure that everything works fine and is not more expensive than participation in the ISS, then it will be possible to talk (theoretically) about the refusal. In practice, this is not only an economic return, but also the country's prestige.
                  Better to let them talk about the refusal to participate in the Olympic Games. No prestige, our country was clearly ordered to arrange doping scandals. And an indicative "flogging". I had to IMMEDIATELY refuse to participate at all, when they only offered to abandon our flag.
              2. BecmepH
                BecmepH 27 November 2020 09: 49
                +2
                Quote: astepanov
                He will not do anything, except that he organizes a competition for the name.

                How can he not? Get rich! That is why they conceived a new project to plunder ...
              3. Akuzenka
                Akuzenka 27 November 2020 14: 10
                +3
                Everything is trite. There are no design, production and scientific personnel able to create in reality (oh, how many paper) spacecraft (orbital station, launch vehicle). Long live democracy and capitalism !!!!!!!
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 26 November 2020 20: 08
              +2
              and Angara is not ready yet, or rather not certified by the USA

              What does American certification have to do with it? In general, Angara-5 had its only launch in December 2014 with a 2-ton mockup into geostationary orbit. And that's all. In general, everything.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 26 November 2020 20: 39
                -9
                Quote: Aviator_
                What does American certification have to do with it? In general, Angara-5 had its only launch in December 2014 with a 2-ton mockup into geostationary orbit. And that's all. Generally everything
                .
                And while. It is the Americans who are drowning the Angara, and their heavy falcon is a joke or a really average rocket into heavyweights.
            3. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 26 November 2020 23: 56
              +4
              Quote: Tusv
              Quote: Aviator_
              This technology has gone forward, and the country has gone back.

              A. Funny. Musk just caught up with Russia in manned space and the country is already back. Let's analyze the situation. ISS becomes obsolete, Ilon's commercial success is canceled. The proton is sent into oblivion, and the Angara is not yet ready, more precisely, it is not certified by the United States to maintain the ISS. Conclusion. We need a new project. The costs are the same, but there will be no more income from the ISS

              It's hard not to catch up when the opponent is standing still.
          2. Civil
            Civil 26 November 2020 19: 42
            +2
            Quote: Aviator_
            In the USSR they could. Now technology has made great strides forward.

            This technology has gone forward, and the country has gone back.

            Yes, it's time to accept this fact ... the country of the 3rd world in decline is not capable of maintaining astronautics ...
          3. Sasha Minakov
            Sasha Minakov 26 November 2020 20: 54
            -18%
            Yes, really) Hundreds of private houses around my house and good cars say otherwise. And yes. These are ordinary people. They don't need it in the USSR. And yes. They are patriots. Patriots of Russia and not your USSR. (raking up what the USSR has done for a very long time)
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 26 November 2020 23: 59
              +7
              Quote: Sasha Minakov
              (raking up what the USSR has done for a very long time)

              What, for example?
              By the way, where are the cars around your house produced?
          4. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 27 November 2020 02: 41
            -9
            Why do you hate your country so much? And in general, I have the feeling that there are more agents of the State Department than Russian citizens ... a zamanuha has been created - like a military review with a penchant for patriotism, but in fact it is solid crap - hatred of Russia.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 27 November 2020 14: 14
              -2
              To the point, colleague! All the Shapkozakidonsko-fantastic, jingoistic-patriotic, plus incredibly. It is worth a distinctly grounded commentary, inextricably linked with reality - some disadvantages. this also applies to politics and technology, about the economy, it is even indecent to remember. hi
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 27 November 2020 14: 35
              +1
              Don't confuse communist hatred with capitalist hatred. wink
        2. Cosm22
          Cosm22 26 November 2020 18: 10
          +25
          Whose technologies have advanced far ahead? Russian?
          You will read the analysis of Russian science made by such masters as the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Sergeev or the Chairman of the Committee on Education and Science Vyacheslav Nikonov.
          The first directly says that Russia can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area. His conclusions are devastating - "Our lag has a numerical indicator - space science is funded 60 (!) Less than scientific projects of NASA." By 2022, funding for work for the tasks of scientific space should fall to 2,9 billion rubles instead of 15 billion.
          The second stated that, judging only by the number of scientists, Russia has long ceased to be a leader in the scientific world. “Today there are six times more researchers in China than in Russia, in the United States - twice! Although once we had much more of them, ”Nikonov noted. Only 1 percent of our graduates go to science every year.
          Can you compete with these indicators with China or the United States?
          What to talk about if the "Science" module has been lying on Earth for a quarter of a century? If its very problematic future docking with the ISS is already being presented as an outstanding achievement of Russian cosmonautics?
          Only here is the road spoon for dinner. The station is not eternal. The Russian sector is bursting at the seams. The fact that in the last exit the Russian cosmonauts missed the handrail to walk in space and did not unscrew the bolt of the Zarya panel is a trifle, an anecdote. But the fact that it was not possible to eliminate the air leak from the outside is a problem.
          Under such conditions, will an American uncle, who pays the lion's share of the station's operating costs (Russia pays a miserable amount), extend her life beyond 24? The question is serious.
          And what will the "Science" module do there (if they miraculously dock it) next year? And what time is it? 2 unhappy years? If your uncle covers the shop? So why bother to fence this garden at all? Money has nowhere to go?
          1. shahor
            shahor 27 November 2020 00: 04
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            Under such conditions, will an American uncle, who pays the lion's share of the station's operating costs (Russia pays a miserable amount), extend her life beyond 24? The question is serious.

            Uncle since 1924 officially launches the lunar project Artemis. Cost ... immeasurable. Two projects - ISS and Artemis at the same time - in terms of financial - will not even pull the United States. The conclusion is obvious. The ISS is doomed. Two thirds of the station are American modules. The United States spends 3 billion on them a year. The Russian Federation spends 1 on its modules. Europe pays some additional amount. But that's not the problem. We see US plans beyond 24. Americans know what they will do and what they need to do. What do we have besides the ISS? Rogozin is going to drive space liquor, paint ships under Gzhel ... well, a lot of projects, but not about space. And funding ... that. It's sad to live in this world ...
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 27 November 2020 14: 19
              0
              Uncle since 1924 officially launches the lunar project Artemis.
              Wow!!!!!!
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 27 November 2020 14: 43
              0
              Two projects - ISS and Artemis at the same time - in terms of finances - will not even pull the United States. The conclusion is obvious. The ISS is doomed.

              We do not need this ISS, apart from maintaining the image and receiving a little money, from the word at all. Our experiments have been carried out on it long ago.
              And in a situation when the station starts to fail slowly, the last motivation to participate in its maintenance disappears.
              And there is no need to comment on relations with the United States.
              Now Trump will impose sanctions against Roscosmos and there will be an excellent reason to say goodbye. hi
              1. shahor
                shahor 27 November 2020 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: Alex777
                Now Trump will impose sanctions against Roscosmos and there will be an excellent reason to say goodbye.

                I agree, maybe the station in its current form is no longer needed, but what should we do then? Join Artemis? With what? Space liquor for astronauts?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 27 November 2020 14: 52
                  0
                  If you ask me, I would do a spaceplane (Spiral on a new level). In the current situation, there are always tasks for him, IMHO.
                  And what the deeply disrespectful Rogozin will do - I do not know.
        3. Alexey from Perm
          Alexey from Perm 27 November 2020 00: 29
          +5
          technology then stepped forward, and oligarchic Russia stepped back
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 27 November 2020 14: 44
            0
            Except for China (and even then, not everything is clear with it), now all countries are oligarchic. And they develop somehow. wink
            1. Alexey from Perm
              Alexey from Perm 28 November 2020 11: 50
              +1
              Oligarchs who own machine-building holdings or machine-tool or IT holdings are strikingly different from oligarchs who own energy or raw materials industries)))
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2020 15: 56
      -3
      and let Rogozin fly
      why !? :) let him continue composing and singing songs on Earth, plus promotes a new trade mark: "LET'S GO" !!!
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 26 November 2020 15: 58
      +6
      RSC Energia proposes to refuse to participate in the ISS program

      When do they want to refuse? Tomorrow already? Or by 2025? So the expiration date will come up by that time. As in a joke: They gave him a year. He served 12 months - was released on parole.
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 27 November 2020 14: 48
      0
      let Rogozin fly, for the collapse of Roskosmos.

      It should have already flown, but squabbles arose in the "launch preparation group" and VVP left him. He has no time for these squabbles. It's a pity... hi
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 26 November 2020 15: 32
    +24
    It is high time to give up and go to your stations.
    1. sav
      sav 26 November 2020 15: 42
      +14
      Quote: Pessimist22
      it's time to give up and go to your stations

      There were plans to use the Russian segment of the ISS as a base for a national space station. The difficulty lies, as I understand it, in moving to the desired orbit.
      1. slipped
        slipped 26 November 2020 16: 12
        +6
        Quote: sav
        Quote: Pessimist22
        it's time to give up and go to your stations

        There were plans to use the Russian segment of the ISS as a base for a national space station. The difficulty lies, as I understand it, in moving to the desired orbit.


        No. And the plans, well, this is RKK's proposal for ROSS:

      2. Horon
        Horon 26 November 2020 16: 16
        0
        The difficulty is how to separate the Russian segment from the station, if a station is formed around it, plus its service life is already close to the end.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 16: 37
          +1
          Quote: Horon
          The difficulty is how to separate the Russian segment from the station, if a station is formed around it, plus its service life is already close to the end.


          Nothing complicated. The division goes along the MLM-U - PxO CM node. The first module and everything that is further docked to it: UM and NEM - a new station.
          1. Horon
            Horon 26 November 2020 16: 43
            +4
            There is a station around him !!! Remove the Russian module and the station will crumble and lose the meaning of its existence. Besides, why does the module have exhausted its resource? Flood only!
            1. slipped
              slipped 26 November 2020 16: 48
              +3
              Quote: Horon
              There is a station around him !!! Remove the Russian module and the station will crumble and lose the meaning of its existence. Besides, why does the module have exhausted its resource? Flood only!


              Let me throw off the scheme for you, otherwise you are carrying heresy:



              so clear?
              1. Horon
                Horon 26 November 2020 16: 56
                -3
                This is no longer the same station; it will be a stub that you cannot turn around. The ISS stopped monitoring 20 years ago. hi It is more of a tourist hotel with elements of scientific research than a scientific station. With the loss of the Mir station, most of the scientific research in space was closed, and those that were continued were carried out for partners.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 26 November 2020 17: 16
                  +5
                  Quote: Horon
                  This is no longer the same station; it will be a stub that you cannot turn around.


                  The total volume is about 300 cubic meters. And this is only at the first stage.

                  Quote: Horon
                  The ISS stopped monitoring 20 years ago. hi


                  Is this before construction starts? laughing

                  Quote: Horon
                  It is more of a tourist hotel with elements of scientific research than a scientific station. With the loss of the Mir station, most of the scientific research in space was closed, and those that were continued were carried out for partners.


                  Before the flight of each expedition, a list of the entire scientific watch program is published on the Roscosmos website.
                  1. Horon
                    Horon 26 November 2020 18: 54
                    +2
                    Is this before construction starts?

                    Almost yes! With money for space then it became strained and many interesting programs were curtailed. The ISS then almost immediately became something of a show. Many scientific works on manned space were closed due to the inability to ensure secrecy. Even more was leaked to the "partners" as a sign of friendship and trust. For them, many of our developments turned out to be a revelation, the Chinese generally received their manned space, having received a lot from us for a song. In general, there either one has to deal with one's own space, or be attached to the tail of other people's space programs, while not really claiming anything.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 26 November 2020 23: 14
                      +4
                      Quote: Horon
                      Almost yes! With money for space then it became strained and many interesting programs were curtailed. The ISS then almost immediately became something of a show.


                      Americans always make shows out of their projects. You have to make excuses in the eyes of taxpayers or customers. This is an old habit with them.

                      Quote: Horon
                      Many scientific works on manned space were closed due to the inability to ensure secrecy.


                      It was 20 years ago. Since then, they have found an opportunity to ensure secrecy.

                      Quote: Horon
                      Even more was leaked to the "partners" as a sign of friendship and trust. For them, many of our developments turned out to be a revelation, the Chinese generally received their manned space, having received a lot from us for a song.


                      I would not say. Everyone paid in full. Nobody offered anything to anyone for free. This can still be seen on the ISS - free of charge, only within the framework of the agreement - everything outside the framework - pay.

                      Quote: Horon
                      In general, there either you have to deal with your own space, or be attached to the tail of other people's space programs, while not really pretending to anything.


                      Russia has its own manned space program.
      3. Avior
        Avior 26 November 2020 16: 27
        +5
        Probably wear and tear forced to refuse
        An air leak was recently discovered in the Russian segment
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 26 November 2020 16: 33
          -6
          Quote: Avior
          Probably wear and tear forced to refuse
          An air leak was recently discovered in the Russian segment

          Did the Americans sneak in with a drill?
          1. Avior
            Avior 26 November 2020 16: 37
            +4
            They searched for the leak for a long time, but they seem to have found a crack.
            Unfortunately, the drill was not approached by the Americans, and not in space.
            With such industrial discipline, there is nothing to do in space
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 26 November 2020 16: 38
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Unfortunately, the drill was not approached by the Americans, and not in space.
              With such industrial discipline, there is nothing to do in space

              How old is "Star"? What does the present industrial discipline have to do with it?
      4. donavi49
        donavi49 26 November 2020 16: 29
        +4
        So the Russian segment is the oldest there. He will definitely leave together with the ISS to the parking lot in the Pacific Ocean. There is even no question here.

        On the other hand, why then start up the same Science? MEM? They will have to be drowned with 3-4 years of operation.
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 November 2020 16: 51
          +1
          Gathered until 2030
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 26 November 2020 16: 58
            +1
            Well, in the article, RKK Energia throws fishing rods on the topic of drowning at 24-25, and throw all the freed up money to them on the topic of the new station.
            1. Avior
              Avior 26 November 2020 17: 00
              +2
              The idea of ​​transferring money is understandable, but they must also justify
              Most likely we will talk about wear and tear and an increase in the cost of operation
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 26 November 2020 18: 07
                +1
                On our segment, cracks in the air leakage casing have already begun to appear - Science will be brought together, it will work and then we will disconnect it when the ISS begins to be decommissioned and on its basis we will assemble our own.
        2. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 17: 17
          +4
          Quote: donavi49
          On the other hand, why then start up the same Science? MEM? They will have to be drowned with 3-4 years of operation.


          No. On the NEM, the CDU is installed the same as on the "Zvezda".
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 27 November 2020 14: 22
      +1
      You did not see the main thing:
      As it was announced at the RAS Space Council, after 2025 most of the ISS elements will be decommissioned for various reasons. Accordingly, spending on the station will increase, which can reach 10-15 billion rubles a year, which is "too large."

      This means that these 10-15 billion will go not to the ISS, but to the right side, i.e. in your pockets. If there is no real possibility to build and launch your own orbital station, then why should the ownerless money go to waste !? They won't let them go!
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 26 November 2020 15: 33
    +3
    focus on building a Russian space station.
    It is high time. It will be interesting to see how the "partners" react.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 26 November 2020 15: 49
      +6
      Lesovik, you are right all the time so interested in the reaction of partners every time .. you probably have a troll in your soul laughing
      but on the topic .. yes, God forbid we run our station ..
      but-question 1- talking about budget savings - budget in the light of the latest trends - surely no more than the ISS segment will come out? At the same time, the functionality should be comparable, and not a "flag demonstration" in 3 small blocks ..
      Question 2 - if it does not fly, is it possible to appoint in advance the one who, in this case, will be suspended under a trampoline for something and will be shot?
      So it's all just after answering these questions hi
      Yes! then - with a mustache .. no! then you shouldn't twitch ..
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 26 November 2020 16: 00
        -4
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Lesovik, you are always interested in the reaction of partners every time ..

        Why shouldn't it be interesting to me? Moreover, Russia (USSR) has the experience of building a space station WITHOUT international cooperation, but the "partners" do not have such experience yet.
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        you probably have a troll at heart

        Rather a cynic.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 November 2020 15: 58
      +8
      They will cry bitter tears ..
      If they survive from laughter ..))
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 26 November 2020 16: 33
      +2
      The reaction of partners - the ISS needs to be reformed long ago. It does not meet practical needs.

      The same axium is supported by Bigelow. Axium displays the demonstrator module next year.


      In 2026, according to the plan, the withdrawal of an autonomous full-function station module manufactured by Thales Alenia Space, ordered by Axium. Fully functional station in 2028.
    4. Brturin
      Brturin 26 November 2020 22: 16
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      interesting to see the reaction of the "partners".

      It depends on who will be partners ...
      2016- "As NASA pushes forward plans to travel to Mars, commercial partners will take the lead in low-Earth orbit, creating a space economy that is built not only on government contracts, but on private-sector supply and demand." NASA spokesman Katherine Humbleton
      2018 - "The decision to end direct federal support to the ISS in 2025 does not mean that the station itself will be returned from orbit by then - it is entirely possible that the industrial industry may continue to manage certain elements or functions of the ISS within the framework of the future commercial platform" - ISS. " private enterprise on a commercial basis. "
      2019 - "We give you a basic outline <...> now it's up to you how you use your creativity and ingenuity to find a way to make potential profit out of this," said NASA Deputy Head William Gersteinmeier https://tass.ru/ kosmos / 6526190
  4. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 26 November 2020 15: 36
    -7
    He presented the look of the new "Russian Orbital Service Station" (ROSS), which will consist of three to seven interchangeable modules.

    Rogozin, tell me, why does it seem to me that (if a station suddenly appears) the number of modules will approach three rather than seven?
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 26 November 2020 18: 33
      +2
      Well, it is necessary, how many fans of Rogozin and his genius are in the taxiing of Roscosmos, judging by the backing track. It will have to be considered for the future.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 28 November 2020 01: 40
        0
        Quote: Kuroneko
        Well, it is necessary, how many fans of Rogozin and his genius are in the taxiing of Roscosmos, judging by the backing track. It will have to be considered for the future.

        or maybe it is better to take into account for the future that the whining about "ruining space Ragozin", to put it mildly, are boring and are perceived as a marker of inadequacy, approximately as enthusiasm about the "leader in commercial launch" hi
  5. bar
    bar 26 November 2020 15: 37
    -4
    And how will there be striped without a Russian toilet?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2020 15: 57
      -2
      so, they have their own for a long time available on the ISS :)
      1. bar
        bar 26 November 2020 16: 04
        -1
        Just shit for some reason they go to our segment. And yes, they also have their own, but by a strange coincidence, it is also Russian-made. Since the time of the alleged "conquest of the moon" striped diapers have not advanced further.
        1. ender
          ender 26 November 2020 16: 21
          +10
          will go into space. however, it is not yet clear who))

          MOSCOW, October 10 - RIA Novosti. A toilet broke down on the International Space Station in the Russian Zvezda module, in which an air leak was detected, the astronauts are using the toilet on the American segment, it follows from the crew's talks with the Earth, which are broadcast by NASA.
          There are currently two Russian-made toilets on the ISS - in the Zvezda and Tranquility modules. Another toilet - American-made - was brought in by the Cygnus cargo ship in October and is planned to be installed at Tranquility.
          On Saturday evening, Anatoly Ivanishin informed a specialist at the Moscow Region Mission Control Center about a malfunction in the Zvezda module toilet.
          https://ria.ru/20201010/mks-1579232216.html
        2. Antifreeze
          Antifreeze 26 November 2020 18: 51
          +15
          Quote: bar
          Just shit, why do they go to our segment

          They are spies
      2. Yura
        Yura 26 November 2020 16: 21
        -1
        Quote: Intruder
        so, they have their own for a long time available on the ISS :)

        On the street? The amenities in the yard are not comme il faut. I wonder who among the next cosmonauts they had was a plumber by profession? Well, actually, the USA is a very highly developed country, they can't have a plumber astronaut, they have all the plumbers astronauts.
  6. rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 38
    -2
    And will the "science" module be launched, or have they found "fallen out" bolts again? Maybe because of this scam, they completely abandoned the idea of ​​co-financing the ISS?
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 November 2020 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      And will the "science" module be launched, or have they found "fallen out" bolts again?


      Preparation of the Nauka module for the April launch to the ISS is proceeding at Baikonur according to the schedule.

  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 November 2020 15: 39
    -4
    This had to be solved 15 years ago, when there were personnel, and not so worn out equipment, when it was possible to purchase high-quality microelectronics! Your own station is somehow quieter, you can work without fear that someone will openly or secretly interfere with the conduct of certain experiments, that there will be no sabotage, they will not drill holes in the case, at least! Only, I doubt very much that with people like Rogozin we will build our station in the next half century! We need workers, we need our own equipment, we need sufficient funding, we need a complete change of leadership of all those involved in our space exploration, until we finally slide into a number of third world countries.
    1. Avior
      Avior 26 November 2020 16: 52
      +1
      The hole was drilled not at the station, but in a ship on Earth.
  8. book
    book 26 November 2020 15: 40
    -13%
    what stations. their missiles take off with a delay due to marriages. there are no specialists and no one prepares it is expensive to invest in people and there is no profit. it is better to cut the budget and show cartoons and promise mountains of gold
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 17: 31
      +1
      In many ways, you are right. The builders on Vostochny get more than the "military" from the launches. But, foremen (their bosses and subcontractors) - they get nothing at all, it makes no sense! What for? If there are schemes in which salary in the statement does not matter ...
  9. rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 41
    +12
    By and large, for Russia - the ISS, it is certainly a complete "dead end". For a sovereign State (if we are sovereign) we need to have our own and only OWN orbital station. Technically, it is not difficult, especially financially.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 15: 46
      +1
      Well, in general, it is interesting that they write that after the launch of 3 sections, our part of the ISS will in fact be autonomous .. can it be unhooked as a thread and configured into a separate station?
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 05
        -6
        I don't see shunting engines in the new Russian modules (in propaganda, of course). So, that "autonomous" is fantastic!
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 16: 17
          +1
          these are not, but you can add new ones)
        2. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 16: 20
          +10
          Quote: rruvim
          I don't see shunting engines in the new Russian modules (in propaganda, of course). So, that "autonomous" is fantastic!


          1. rruvim
            rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 27
            -4
            What is this "module"? Or secret. Maybe it's not for the ISS at all?
            1. slipped
              slipped 26 November 2020 16: 32
              +6
              Quote: rruvim
              What is this "module"? Or secret. Maybe it's not for the ISS at all?


              MLM-U "Nauka" is preparing for launch at the MIC at Baikonur. And the cosmonauts' legs stick out from the docking station, by the way, a new structure that has not yet flown, so that it will be met in space.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 42
                0
                Well, if the "legs" ... fellow They just dock. "The main thing is to get into the footprints of the spacesuit at the orbital station, so that the position of the dock is fixed ... The size of the feet of the spacesuit is very important." (Kirill Nemolyaev: "Hysteria of the USSR").
                1. slipped
                  slipped 26 November 2020 16: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: rruvim
                  Well, if the "legs" ... fellow They just dock.


                  Study the materiel locally.
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 48
                    -5
                    Since 1978, there have been two docking systems in the world cosmonautics - the Soviet and the American. The American Rodeo docking system was developed in 1974 and used for the first time a year later during the Soyuz-Apollo joint flight. Its essence is as follows: two astronauts responsible for docking (dockers), at the moment when the ship is at a distance of 10 feet (about 3 meters) from another ship or orbital station, at the command "Begin!" flexible cables, the so-called "lasso" (lasso), are thrown out of special grooves, trying to attach them to the hooks located in the hull of the docked ship. Then the “lasso” loops are pulled together, and the dockers, using special hydraulic winches, pull the ship to the docked object with the help of hand efforts. Of course, such work requires an extremely precise eye and remarkable physical strength. Martin Cougar, who was with Ervin Johnson as a dock aboard the Apollo, once remarked with some humor: “Sometimes you get the feeling that you want to throw these mountains of metal and go for a smoke. Hemingway's old man with his damn fish would just be resting here.
                    The complete opposite of the American docking system was the Soviet one, which appeared somewhat later - in January 1978. In the scientific literature, it received the name "SSR-1" ("Rubinstein Docking System"). Let us draw the attention of the still awake reader to the most significant differences between the Soviet system and the American one.
                    First, the capricious and unreliable "lassos" were replaced by durable and comfortable harnesses designed by engineer Kondratyev (ZhK); secondly, if the Americans pulled the ship to the orbital station, in the Soviet docking system, on the contrary, the station itself is pulled to the ship using harnesses and is attached to it with docking nodes, and, finally, unlike the Americans, we have not two dockers, but three.

                    SCIENCE module - for example, will they dock?
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 26 November 2020 16: 53
                      +8
                      Quote: rruvim
                      Since 1978 ....


                      Are you fond of science fiction? laughing How to separate flies from cutlets, i.e. fiction from technical. It's just some kind of nonsense.

                      Quote: rruvim
                      SCIENCE module - for example, will they dock?


                      Just like before that "Dawn" was docked to "Star". And before that, five modules for retrofitting the Mir station. How the Soyuz and Progress spacecraft docked more than a hundred times.
                      1. rruvim
                        rruvim 26 November 2020 17: 01
                        -1
                        I wrote this, or rather broadcast it to another author, that does it make sense to dock the SCIENCE module to the ISS, if it has its own shunting ones? Either it's temporary, or it's just a blank. ISS dead end, at the beginning; just used up its "iron", secondly: end "pacem et amicitiam", which begs for it.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 26 November 2020 17: 21
                        +5
                        Quote: rruvim
                        I wrote it, or rather broadcast it by another author ...


                        So I say - nonsense.

                        Quote: rruvim
                        what does it make sense to dock the NAUK module to the ISS if it has its own shunting ones?


                        I didn't get your idea. Who has? "Science" or "ISS"? Soyuz MS also has what? And what have the shunting engines got to do with it? What are you smoking there? lol
                      3. rruvim
                        rruvim 26 November 2020 18: 13
                        -3
                        You don't understand ... What fits what.
                2. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 27 November 2020 04: 23
                  0
                  "Since 1978"
                  It is strange that a specialized docking robotic arm has not yet been developed, with a new docking technology, which can take a reel of a coiled cable with a pin at its end from the mooring platform instead of an outdated lasso and insert its pin into the lock on the ship and circle it around the hook, then return the reel to the winch shaft by pulling on the cable. The Japanese JEMRMS is installed above the gateway of the Kibo module and allows you to load the equipment in or remove it out - they just have a little step to the docking robot. They could also safely assemble the stations and do what the cosmonauts would not do - to disassemble, pushing the multi-ton structures apart. There seems to be a lot of outboard robots on the ISS, and what prevents its development is not clear, well, maybe at least it will be at the new stations.
  • Kaw
    Kaw 26 November 2020 15: 44
    -5
    Now they will abandon the ISS and begin the construction of a new stunning station for some immeasurably distant time (so that either the donkey or the padishah could die). It is necessary to somehow present to the inhabitants of the country that we no longer have manned astronautics (at least in the near future).
    The ISS will soon be closed, whether we like it or not, the Americans are no longer interested in it, and we don't have enough money for our new station, and secondly, we don't really need it. IMHO
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 49
      -1
      All participants in the process agree.
      The ISS will soon be closed, whether we like it or not, the Americans are no longer interested in it
      And Rogozin too! The question here is that the ISS is already a heap of scrap metal, has exhausted its safety margin. Either change everything, or drown in the Pacific Ocean.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 November 2020 16: 01
      +5
      will abandon the ISS and begin the construction of a new stunning station by Kamu some immeasurably distant time


      Yes bliiin .. And what - are there really those who believe in a different development of events ??
      It's all sewn with white thread .. even stubborn patriots with the remnants of the brain understand everything ..
  • rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 47
    +2
    The ISS must be "finished!" The sooner we go, the better!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2020 15: 58
      -1
      The sooner we go, the better!
      until she fell off herself, after 2024 !?
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 59
        0
        About... repeat
      2. slipped
        slipped 26 November 2020 16: 23
        +4
        Quote: Intruder
        The sooner we go, the better!
        until she fell off herself, after 2024 !?


        Actually, according to the plan, the old modules of the Russian segment and all American special Progress should flood, as before the Mir station.
  • deniso
    deniso 26 November 2020 15: 51
    +1
    This would be the right decision. Although in my opinion, it was necessary to unilaterally withdraw immediately after the first sanctions. We hoped that we would be appreciated in the West and loved. But this did not happen and will never happen.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 November 2020 15: 52
    +2
    This is in vain.
    For the first time there are chances for the self-sufficiency of this station.
    Firstly, tourists. Secondly, factories with the return of products to Earth.
    For example, all sorts of unique electronic boards created in zero gravity conditions
    are more accurate and of higher quality.
    The station will be able to make a profit.
    And Russian cosmonauts have extensive experience in operating space stations.
    Roscosmos - profit
    1. sav
      sav 26 November 2020 15: 57
      +13
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This is in vain.
      For the first time there are chances for the self-sufficiency of this station.

      RSC Energia apparently calculated the capital expenditures after 2024, therefore they are proposing. And you can organize a factory and tourists at your own station.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 02
      0
      Alexei! Okay! The Science module was supposed to
      all sorts of unique electronic boards created in zero gravity conditions
      this direction, but your fellow tribesmen have been sabotaging its launch for 10 years already. And tourists, they are tourists in Africa too ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2020 17: 04
        -4
        "your fellow tribesmen have been sabotaging its launch for 10 years already" ///
        ---
        If the space industry was commanded and my fellow tribesmen worked in it, then
        there would be 10 such modules in orbit Science smile
        But they left for Israel, the States, Canada in the 70-90s. And from this time in space
        your fellow tribesmen are engaged ... fellow
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 26 November 2020 17: 23
          -1
          Really? I meant RSC Energia. Igor Azar from "ours" or from "yours"?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 November 2020 17: 27
            -4
            These are already the remains of the remains, "with a gold ring in the nose"
            from "especially close to the sultan" laughing
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 26 November 2020 17: 43
              +1
              Here's another one. "The Blagoveshchensk City Court of the Amur Region has arrested the director for the operation of infrastructure - the chief engineer of JSC TsENKI. According to the investigation, Vladimir Zhuk implemented a criminal scheme at the Vostochny cosmodrome related to the commissioning of facilities of the first stage of the cosmodrome. "The people say that they are" yours. "
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 27 November 2020 00: 25
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          and my fellow tribesmen worked in it, t


          There wouldn't even be one Science... lol
    3. Gust
      Gust 26 November 2020 16: 13
      +2
      Wear. Resource development. It is necessary to build a new one around Science and do all of the above, but on a new basis and scalable, according to new standards. The ISS has a bunch of adapters, adapters, converters, etc. Even their voltage and ours are different.
      In orbit, you need a production base, a base for jumping to the Moon and asteroids, an assembly orbital base. And let private traders ride tourists.
      1. Kaw
        Kaw 26 November 2020 16: 18
        0
        As far as I understand, now the flight of our unions to the station is partially paid by the Americans. When they stop doing this, we simply won't have the money to fly there. Moreover, to launch new elements of the station into orbit. IMHO
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 17: 32
          +3
          Quote: Kaw
          As I understand it, now the flight of our unions to the station is partially paid by the Americans.


          No. Funding for the construction of ships comes from the federal budget within the framework of the FKP. The two additional ships currently under construction on a commercial basis are off-budget.

          Quote: Kaw
          When they stop doing this, we simply won't have the money to fly there. Moreover, to launch new elements of the station into orbit. IMHO


          What nonsense. Russia has its own federal space program.
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 26 November 2020 19: 04
          0
          Nobody understands how
          the flight of our unions to the station is partially paid by the Americans
          ... Even the Accounts Chamber does not know: who is from the Amers that pays and to what accounts. On the subsidiaries of Roscosmos, on foreign accounts? Or to the thirty foreign accounts of your TIN of Roscosmos, or to the foreign accounts of Roscosmos shareholders, where there are foreign agents. Or .. In general, no one pays anyone ... Masons - they are! bully
    4. Avior
      Avior 26 November 2020 16: 31
      0
      So they were going to do
      But after the last breakdowns of the Russian segment with an air leak, they probably came to the conclusion that it would not work
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 26 November 2020 15: 55
    +1
    To flood our compartments, not leave the Amerzians.
    Well, it would be so cool, 3 stations in orbit, Chinese, Russian, and American-European-Japanese.
  • U-58
    U-58 26 November 2020 15: 56
    +3
    It is necessary to create your own station. It is a fact.
    But when will the first module appear?
    And the fourth? How much is it?
    Common sense suggests that this idea will be two orders of magnitude (100 times) more expensive than operating the ISS with all possible repairs.
    Did RKK want a good jackpot?
    Well it is clear.
    Another thing is not clear - where would he come from?
    What to cut, what to gnaw?
    After all, there are few such "projections".
    Projects are needed. Made now and at their own expense. And if such projects are realistic, then it will be possible to move on to making decisions.
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 November 2020 16: 28
      +4
      Quote: U-58
      It is necessary to create your own station. It is a fact.
      But when will the first module appear?


      The "Berth" nodal module is already ready. One out of six ports will be occupied by the MLM "Science" module by 2024, and NEM will approach it.

      Quote: U-58
      Common sense suggests that this idea will be two orders of magnitude (100 times) more expensive than operating the ISS with all possible repairs.


      MLM "Science" has a 15-year-old CAC. By 2024, only the first three years will have passed.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 18: 19
      -3
      The question is - why have an orbital station? Basically - what kind of vegetable "horseradish" is it for? But, not needed and that's it! For "force" only. ASZ and AKA are needed! And people in orbit are the last century!
  • Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 26 November 2020 15: 56
    -4
    That's just funny !!! The political leadership of the country for this Never! will not work! It has not yet freed itself from illusions and, still, secretly nourishes them - "and, what if ...?" For such decisions, WILL is needed! which, absolutely not!
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 26 November 2020 15: 56
    +1
    Americans will no longer pay for delivery .. it’s not interesting to work like that ..
    Therefore, it is much more profitable "refuse from further participation "and"concentrate on creation "

    Recently, they even offered to "focus" on the Buran revival .. We are also preparing a "concentrated" flight of a man on Mars ..

    In a word - saw the endless edge ..))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2020 18: 13
      +4
      Roscosmos simply does not have additional money to create its own station in the next five years, so our new orbital station is being postponed at least until 2030.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 27 November 2020 09: 28
        +3
        And the old one is postponed, and the new one is postponed ..
        So you can focus on something more enjoyable .. for example - to cut the loot ..))

        Shl .. at the expense of 5 years it was you who were modest .. I think they will not be the same in 15 years ..
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 November 2020 15: 57
    0
    On July 7, 2020, the media reported that the NGO. Lavochkina plans to purchase four spherical reflectors in Switzerland, and 250 magnetic holders and other equipment in the United States to carry out alignment work for Luna-25. The company explains the use of foreign equipment to check the Russian lunar station by the absence of Russian analogues.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 09
      +1
      Complete nonsense! Adjustment spheres can be made by any metallurgical plant. Our Elektrostal has experience. Simply - the withdrawal of "dough abroad". The ISS itself is the same "feeding trough".
  • Alex_You
    Alex_You 26 November 2020 15: 58
    -1
    Station in near-earth orbit marking time.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 26 November 2020 16: 04
      0
      Station in near-earth orbit marking time.

      Unfortunately, not everyone understands this.
    2. slipped
      slipped 26 November 2020 23: 43
      +3
      Quote: Alex_You
      Station in near-earth orbit marking time.


      It depends on which station. Although the potential of even the same ISS has not yet been fully used.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 26 November 2020 16: 04
    0
    Quote: Alex_You
    Station in near-earth orbit marking time.

    I agree.
    Another question to nowhere. And with the help of which launch vehicles it will be possible to launch elements of the future orbital station?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 26 November 2020 16: 08
      -1
      Another question to nowhere. And with the help of which launch vehicles it will be possible to launch elements of the future orbital station?

      The key question. From here and it is necessary to begin. But again, not everyone understands this.
    2. slipped
      slipped 26 November 2020 23: 46
      +2
      Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
      Another question to nowhere. And with the help of which launch vehicles it will be possible to launch elements of the future orbital station?


      Why nowhere? Two elements of the first stage MLM-U and NEM will be launched by Proton-M. The rest - UM, TM and SHO are displayed by "Soyuz 2".

      At the second stage, "Angara-A5" will be used.
  • Horon
    Horon 26 November 2020 16: 07
    -2
    We must develop our programs, and not be on the premises of others. For Russia, the ISS has turned into a suitcase without a handle, our developments are not needed there for the most part, as a result, a complete stagnation of programs. Thanks to Yeltsin, on the one hand, it preserved the industry in this form, on the other hand, stagnation will slowly lead to its complete degradation. Moreover, our module on the ISS is fundamental, you just can't replace it, everyone is riveted to it, and the equipment really has a resource. It was not enough that this would lead to a serious accident with human casualties - in a lifetime, then you will not wash it off. It is the Americans who can kill the crew, then it is not obtrusive to explain to everyone that the equipment is old, with whom it does not happen. And Russia had been eating vodka in space before, and after the accident, it would be banned in space, and it would appear that the station's resource had ended long ago, the main thing is that Russia's space products have become "toxic"! Rogozin, the manager, is also very weak, it is difficult for him to understand that Roskosmos should be precisely Roscosmos, and not an orbital transport company. Carriage, there should be only a minor part of the work.
    PS In my opinion, the proposal from RSC Energia is very interesting and promising. You can always upgrade standard modules, change, modernize. Such a structure of an orbital station is much more convenient than large specialized modules around which smaller ones are located. Plus, the same technology can be used for the lunar station. We must do it now, and not catch up with Musk later, who, having slightly changed the idea, will easily pass off as his own.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 November 2020 16: 10
    0
    The whole point of the ISS segment construction was to drop the spent modules and replace them with new ones. Again they missed something or just went to build their own station.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 26 November 2020 16: 42
      +2
      The whole point of segment construction is that it is the simplest and lowest-risk option for building a station. Emphasis on Shuttles, and then on the size of the missiles.

      It is almost impossible to unhook Zarya, she and Unity are tightly linked. Even if you unhook it (and this is almost unrealistic), then you need to hook something - and there is no second Zarya even in the project.
      1. slipped
        slipped 26 November 2020 17: 37
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        It is almost impossible to unhook Zarya, she and Unity are tightly linked.


        Who told you that they were going to "unhook Zarya"? do not be nonsense. Will flood together with the American segment.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 26 November 2020 17: 43
          +1
          ISS was about dropping spent modules and replacing with new ones


          Well, I answered the person above. There is no Dawn 2 in the project, it is almost impossible to unhook Dawn 1.
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 26 November 2020 22: 45
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        It's almost impossible to unhook Zarya

        Zarya, Zarya ... there is such an opinion ...
        Because the Zarya module (made by the Russians, but owned by the Americans who bought it) has an American camera. - https://tsargrad-tv.turbopages.org/tsargrad.tv/s/articles/ssha-i-dyrka-tajna-pervoj-diversii-v-kosmose-raskryta_256902
  • Kart
    Kart 26 November 2020 16: 12
    -4
    Well, everything, the trolls saw in the article the keyword from the manual.
    Now chairs will begin to undermine massively about Roscosmos and Rogozin.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 16: 36
      -2
      There are no complaints about Rogozin! Not a single accident for its, how to say, quality control. All products of Roskosmos, created precisely under Rogozin (his management), reached orbits. Rogozin always said, and I think he also remained with his opinion, that Russia is in a position and in "strength", also financially, to create its own orbital station. It is YOURS!
  • anjey
    anjey 26 November 2020 16: 17
    +4
    refuse further participation in the ISS program and focus on the creation of the Russian space station
    Why not, self-sufficiency and independence in Space is the prerogative of the Superpower.
  • Hog
    Hog 26 November 2020 16: 20
    0
    The proposal is good, only there is no money for its implementation.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 26 November 2020 16: 27
    0
    Quote: Hog
    The proposal is good, only there is no money for its implementation.

    And everything else is not there either.
  • KAVBER
    KAVBER 26 November 2020 16: 28
    +2
    It's high time to launch world 2, on a modern technical base, with a dock for shuttles, and revive the topic of snowstorms at the same time, the same taking into account the development of technology. And the ISS for scrap, they will answer us for the first world.
  • nznz
    nznz 26 November 2020 16: 59
    -2
    I remember a similar state of déjà vu. The army is collapsed, the Minister of Defense suddenly put some kind of stool furniture maker .. it took a little time and suddenly it turns out that the army has been reorganized, the old marshals who were hanging on the army with a load left. All without revolutionary processes. And the cherry on the cake is the best weapon in the world that no one has.
    This is the style

    I think Rogozin will be hanged with dogs, kicked out and forgiven like Serdyukov. He knows what he is doing and why. We are not. we'll see
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 November 2020 17: 02
    +1
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    We need to build our own, Russian orbital station.

    Maybe we will come up with something NEW? How many circles around the Earth, 60 years is not enough? This is Korolev, launched Gagarin, and we practically on that rocket, purely quantitatively increase the number of astronauts. Yes, they are sure of this, but from scratch they can come up with something We are just making fun of the Mask, but we can do the salaries for the Roscosmos leadership. request hi
  • Guru
    Guru 26 November 2020 17: 18
    0
    will make it completely independent from the rest of the station.
    This is the key phrase in the article.
  • Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 26 November 2020 17: 35
    +15
    There would be an orbital tug, and the problem with its own orbital station would be solved. Must be done before 2024
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 18: 25
      +4
      Yes Yes! More warp drive and Royce's field. In general, they would have been in "chocolate" ... drinks
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2020 18: 25
      +2
      It was promised in 2010 as well as the Lunar version, as well as the base on the Moon, they promised ten years have passed Russia has fallen into third place in launches, the accident rate of launches has increased several times as the marriage in production has been crap for the second time with Soyuz 2 for Kuru, the first time the tube leaked on the upper stage the second time they found a defective valve, they are now starting to sing again about flights to the moon, the base on the moon only by 2030 - and I'm more than sure that in 2030 nothing of this will happen again, but there will be a speech by Rogozin and the command "I'm tired I'm leaving" "Roscosmos needs reform"
      1. slipped
        slipped 26 November 2020 23: 55
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        the accident rate of launches has increased several times


        Has come to naught.

        Quote: Vadim237
        how a marriage in production was the second time crap with Soyuz 2 for Kuru the first time the tube flowed on the booster block the second time the valve was found defective


        You are all right with your head, who is "crap" there? Here Europeans with Vega and confused connectors on the cardan of the Ukrainian-made engine really shit.

        And our rocket is already on the launch pad and preparing for the day after tomorrow's launch:



        Quote: Vadim237
        now they are again beginning to sing about Mriya about flights to the Moon base on the Moon only by 2030 - and I am more than sure that in 2030 nothing of this will happen again, but there will be a speech by Rogozin and the command "I'm tired I'm leaving"


        You at least add IMHO to this nonsense of yours. laughing
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 November 2020 14: 18
          0
          Unfortunately, everything indicates that it will be so - nothing breakthrough in the space sphere except for Nuclon will be created in Russia until 2030.
          1. slipped
            slipped 27 November 2020 22: 45
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Unfortunately, everything indicates that it will be so - nothing breakthrough in the space sphere except for Nuclon will be created in Russia until 2030.


            What do you have there? laughing

            Unfortunately, you are not aware of what is being created now in Russia in the field of manned astronautics.

            For example, firstly, very soon, literally in three and a half years in 2024, they will make and launch a module for the ISS of a new design, which will subsequently be the base unit of our domestic station and all the following modules, including the modules of the Lunar Base, will already be created by this technology.



            Secondly, two and a half years later, in 2023, the first heavy PTK NP will be launched at the A5P from Vostochny.

            This is all that is called in the near future and in the current Federal Space Program.

            As for scientific space, in the coming years (2021, 2023 and 2024) we have three launches to the Moon and the laying of the Lunar test site and one to Mars (2022) with a long-lived station. In addition, also the conclusion of a new, breakthrough in astrophysics, the Spectrum-UV observatory (2025th).

            And in applied astronautics - the Sphere project.
  • Stavorg
    Stavorg 26 November 2020 18: 25
    -3
    Well, if this is stated, then there is an opportunity and resources .. Heavy missiles "Angara", etc. are waiting. I think Russia will pull its orbital station and can make good money on this in the future, if we talk about the benefits .. But this will not be the main thing. hi
  • rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 19: 19
    +1
    RSC Energia is also that "European" office, forgive me for the expression, which, through the ISS theme, brought to the West a lot of "dough" to certain individuals. And even now Rogozin was forced to appoint comrade Azar to watch until the 25th year, for this scheme of withdrawing the dough to the West. "Investing" in "Unions is really profitable! And in cosmonauts as well! An egghead friend of mine has calculated that 124 subcontractors are" signed "only on the Orlan spacesuit. a scam that does not bring any scientific or other discoveries for the members of the swindlers on the legalization of the dough. But this scam is not our know-how, it is "supposedly" international! Peace, labor, gum!
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 26 November 2020 19: 34
    +1
    Quote: KAVBER
    It's high time to launch world 2, on a modern technical base, with a dock for shuttles, and revive the topic of snowstorms at the same time, the same taking into account the development of technology.
    No comment.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 November 2020 20: 14
    +1
    The ISS is a symbol of Russia's lack of sovereignty in Space, and therefore on Earth.
    Therefore, the Day of the appearance of Russia's own COP will become a real Holiday of the phenomenon of the restored sovereignty of Russia on Earth and in Space!
  • aristok
    aristok 26 November 2020 20: 54
    +3
    a person in orbit has nothing to do - you need to immediately burrow under the lunar surface, and learn how to use lunar resources for life support systems - try to minimize the traffic from the Earth to the Moon.
    Some kind of intermediate stages such as VOCs and the ISS are evil imposed by bureaucrats and politicians.
    1. Leonid Batsura
      Leonid Batsura 27 November 2020 15: 12
      -2
      A person, especially for the vast territory of Russia, needs to be constantly present in orbit with coverage from Kushka to the North Pole. The station must be equipped with all the necessary means of remote monitoring of the Earth: both for "manual" use and operating in automatic mode, regardless of the cosmonaut at the station - except for servicing the equipment at the station. The moon is a whim and a lie. It is impossible to obtain any economic benefit for Russia from the presence of a man on the Moon - yet, in the next 50 years. What is a Man on the Moon? Imagine a spacesuit for a man in space orbit! In six hours in open space, a person unscrews and tightens three four nuts. Is the same spacesuit for the Moon or the American Apollo "Adidas"? That is, the Earth must be economically depleted in order to ensure human life on the Moon ... In contrast to this whim, you need to constantly monitor your territory from orbit
  • zwlad
    zwlad 27 November 2020 07: 29
    0
    So that decision is correct. ISS grows decrepit every year. And I don't think we need such a huge station. We must do our own. Let the "partners" also build themselves.
  • Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 27 November 2020 07: 58
    +1
    More likely to create a weapon. And then there will be some kind of missiles that in the future, if necessary, will blow up the stations of other states. This is much more real than a national station.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 November 2020 14: 23
      -1
      There is already X 37B and in 2022 the Dream Chaser will be added to them, you can place space weapons on them the same kinetic missile interceptors - with which it will be possible to hit satellite stations, launching missiles and other ships on LEO GPO GSO.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 November 2020 08: 35
    0
    There were some other questions about the flight path. The Mir Station had a profitable RF, and the ISS was not profitable for us ... I read it somewhere.
    1. Leonid Batsura
      Leonid Batsura 27 November 2020 14: 54
      0
      The ISS covers only the South of Russia, but it is needed at least to the latitude of Murmansk. Therefore, you need to connect the transporter to change the orbital plane. This can be done using the upper stage (RB) or DM, or "Briz-M"
      "Master master" The RB can be withdrawn either by the "Proton-M" launch vehicle or even by one of the "sevens". The peculiarity of "Briz-M" is that it can remain docked for an indefinitely long time to correct the station's orbit
  • Leonid Batsura
    Leonid Batsura 27 November 2020 14: 46
    0
    Reasonable offer. Moreover, the business of creating your own station to start immediately
  • rruvim
    rruvim 27 November 2020 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Leonid Batsura
    "Breeze-M" is that it can remain docked indefinitely to correct the station's orbit

    Oh really? In "Baumanka" laugh ...